The Charlie Kirk Show - Ukraine, The Great Reset, and the New Republican Right with Pedro Gonzalez

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00:02:10.000 Hello, everybody.

00:02:10.000 Welcome back.

00:02:12.000 We are here in my home now, Arizona.

00:02:14.000 I grew up in Illinois, but I chose to live in Arizona.

00:02:17.000 And I could tell you right now, Arizona is like the battleground state of the Battleground State of the Battleground State.

00:02:23.000 And I really wanted to get kind of a picture of what's happening on the ground in Arizona and kind of the political trends.

00:02:29.000 And also someone who's running to be the next governor of Arizona.

00:02:32.000 We've known each other for a long time.

00:02:33.000 We have some awesome mutual friends.

00:02:35.000 Karen Robeson.

00:02:36.000 Karen, welcome to the program.

00:02:37.000 Thank you.

00:02:38.000 And you're barnstorming the state.

00:02:41.000 Whenever I work out, I see your ads on TV, and it's just, it's compelling.

00:02:46.000 And you're getting the message out.

00:02:47.000 Tell us why you're running for governor, and then let's get right into what's happening here in Arizona.

00:02:51.000 Well, I'm running for governor because we're being invaded from the South and we're under attack from Washington, D.C. As you said, I'm a lifelong native.

00:02:58.000 I was born and raised here.

00:02:59.000 I was born and raised in Arizona.

00:03:00.000 It's rare.

00:03:01.000 It is rare.

00:03:02.000 70% of our adult population came from somewhere else. 1.00

00:03:05.000 So welcome.

00:03:06.000 Welcome to Arizona, the land of the free and the home of the brave.

00:03:09.000 That's, you know, Ronald Reagan used to talk about the shining city on the hill and he was referencing America.

00:03:13.000 Well, it's now Arizona.

00:03:15.000 We are the shining city on the hill, and that is why Arizona is one of the top states for people moving to, because people crave freedom.

00:03:22.000 But I've been so lucky my whole life.

00:03:24.000 I've worked since I was a kid.

00:03:25.000 And, you know, there was a time I would tell my parents I was going to write a book about them for making me work, you know, at such a young age because it was some form of child abuse.

00:03:33.000 I'm sure they would be thrown in jail now for putting their five-year-old to work.

00:03:37.000 But the book I'm going to read is going to be one about gratitude and the opportunities I have had my entire life to build a career.

00:03:45.000 I put myself through school, put myself through law school, built my career, been very successful, and I thank God every day for it.

00:03:51.000 And I see those opportunities slipping away.

00:03:54.000 I have, you know, I'm a mother of four.

00:03:56.000 I have a new grandchild, and this is about the next generation.

00:03:59.000 This is about making sure that the next generation have the same opportunities.

00:04:02.000 And in Arizona, if you come here, you work hard, you treat people well, you can accomplish anything you want to accomplish.

00:04:09.000 And, you know, I had the opportunity many years ago to work for Ronald Reagan at the White House.

00:04:13.000 And so I quote him often.

00:04:14.000 And we all like to quote Ronald Reagan, but he said, you know, I'm not going to use or spend my sunset years telling my kids what it was like to be free.

00:04:22.000 I'm not going to do it.

00:04:23.000 You know, to whom much is given, much is expected.

00:04:25.000 And you can't take it with you.

00:04:27.000 Yeah, the country is rapidly changing, and Arizona is kind of evidence of that.

00:04:32.000 And it's not all changing for the bad.

00:04:33.000 We have some awesome people moving here, right?

00:04:35.000 Absolutely.

00:04:36.000 And we have a lot of entrepreneurs here, a lot of people that didn't grow up here.

00:04:39.000 If you go to our office, I'd say 95% are not Native Arizonans here.

00:04:44.000 And so there's some great new energy coming. 1.00

00:04:46.000 There's also some not so good energy.

00:04:48.000 But every one of the national trends that we talk about on this program is kind of front and center here, from schools to border to inflation.

00:04:55.000 So let's go through one by one.

00:04:57.000 Talk about the border.

00:04:58.000 Every state's a border state.

00:04:59.000 I was just in Yuma.

00:05:00.000 You've been there many times.

00:05:01.000 There are, what, 1,300 daily border crossings.

00:05:04.000 And about to triple with the revocation of Title 42.

00:05:07.000 If the Biden administration follows through with it next week on the 23rd, they're already amassing on the other side of the border, waiting to come over.

00:05:14.000 There will be a tripling.

00:05:15.000 We now have more coming across the Yuma sector than they do at Del Rio, Texas.

00:05:19.000 What's the significance? 0.97

00:05:20.000 Like, that's so unusual, right?

00:05:21.000 It is so unusual. 0.95

00:05:22.000 Well, you know, when you tell the world that our borders are open, there's a reason they come to America.

00:05:28.000 And that, you know, the cartels are advertising in other states or other countries.

00:05:32.000 We now have people coming from 140 countries.

00:05:35.000 And as you just said, it is not just a border state problem.

00:05:38.000 Arizona happens to be on the front lines, and Arizona is paying a disproportionate cost of justice.

00:05:44.000 Do you think that as governor, what would you do about that, right?

00:05:48.000 So there's like a debate of what you can do and kind of that tension, right?

00:05:52.000 So walk us through that.

00:05:54.000 Well, the number one job of a governor is to keep the people and property of the state safe.

00:05:59.000 And it is, you know, no secret, but Congress has failed us.

00:06:02.000 For 40 years, they have failed to give us a functioning immigration system, and they have failed to give us a secure border.

00:06:07.000 We know if we had the political will and determination, we can secure our border.

00:06:12.000 That's right.

00:06:12.000 President Trump did it.

00:06:14.000 Where we have walls, they work.

00:06:16.000 And as you said, I've been down there many, many times, and every time I go down there, I learn something new.

00:06:21.000 And it's not just a national security tragedy, which it is, but the human tragedy, in particular, when you look at the drugs.

00:06:29.000 I mean, look at fentanyl alone.

00:06:31.000 Look at the amount of fentanyl that's been confiscated just in the last couple months, enough to kill every man, woman, and child in America.

00:06:37.000 It's killing kids in Scottsdale. 0.60

00:06:38.000 It's killing them.

00:06:39.000 Not a day or a week goes by that I don't hear another story from a mother, a classmate, what have you.

00:06:44.000 And it's tragic.

00:06:46.000 And I will connect the dots if no one else wants to do it.

00:06:49.000 But the precursor ingredients are coming from China to the Mexican cartels to a neighborhood near you.

00:06:54.000 And if an adversary dropped a bomb on an American city and killed 100,000 people, we wouldn't look the other way.

00:07:00.000 And yet that's what's happening.

00:07:02.000 That's why my border plan calls for a multi-state compact with other governors because it's affecting everybody.

00:07:08.000 And it's not just today and tomorrow.

00:07:09.000 This will affect us for generations if we don't do something about it.

00:07:13.000 Yeah, so does that include kind of doing what Abbott's doing, which is, you know, we're going to mobilize the National Guard, we're going to do what's necessary?

00:07:18.000 I mean, that's the stuff where sometimes there's kind of a tension, right?

00:07:22.000 Absolutely.

00:07:22.000 Between the federal government and the states.

00:07:24.000 Absolutely.

00:07:24.000 Governor has to do anything and everything possible.

00:07:27.000 And I've said the very first thing I will do is I will call an emergency session of our legislature.

00:07:32.000 We'll find the resources necessary to send to our local law enforcement along the border, give them the resources they need to deal with the problem, send additional National Guard down there to support local law enforcement, continue to build the wall where we can.

00:07:45.000 We've got state land, we have private land.

00:07:47.000 We also have federal land, of course, and tribal land.

00:07:49.000 And I can tell you, talking to private property owners down on the border, they will welcome the wall on their property.

00:07:54.000 The tribal is the tricky one, right? 0.90

00:07:55.000 Tribal is the same.

00:07:56.000 Even more than the federal government.

00:07:58.000 Yes. 1.00

00:07:58.000 And, you know, when I've been down there and you see where the crossers come across, it's right on those restaurants. 1.00

00:08:03.000 It's right on the tribal land. 0.94

00:08:05.000 And the cartels know it, and they bring these big groups over at a time.

00:08:09.000 And it's within like 10 feet.

00:08:10.000 It's like they know to go here, but not there.

00:08:12.000 And it's this whole sovereign nation thing.

00:08:15.000 That's tricky.

00:08:16.000 Yes.

00:08:16.000 And that's a thicket.

00:08:17.000 So let's talk about inflation as well.

00:08:19.000 Huge issue here in Arizona.

00:08:21.000 Rents are going up.

00:08:22.000 You said 40% year over year?

00:08:23.000 Year over year.

00:08:23.000 In the Class C apartments, which are the lowest priced apartment rents.

00:08:28.000 That's always the bellwether.

00:08:30.000 And when those prices start coming up, people are getting priced out of any type of housing.

00:08:34.000 And on the single-family homes, we have about two weeks' supply in the Phoenix market.

00:08:38.000 So it is a seller's market right now.

00:08:40.000 And that's why prices are going up the way they are.

00:08:42.000 And I am a free market capitalist.

00:08:46.000 This is about supply and demand.

00:08:47.000 We have more people moving to Arizona, and we can't deliver fast enough to the market because it's not just the rising prices, or part of the reason that we're having the rising prices is we can't get the supplies.

00:08:58.000 You can't get windows.

00:08:59.000 You can't get toilets.

00:09:00.000 You can't, you know, our homebuilders could sell more houses, but they can't build them.

00:09:04.000 Not only can they not get supplies, but they don't have the workers to build the houses.

00:09:08.000 So it's quite a conundrum, and it's going to take a while to work itself out.

00:09:13.000 And then you add on top of that inflation and energy prices, which is leading to the inability to have a functioning supply chain.

00:09:24.000 It's a mess.

00:09:25.000 And I lay the blame right at the feet of Joe Biden and this administration.

00:09:28.000 And Phoenix, you could say with groceries and gas rent, I mean, it's 40 to 45 percent more expensive this year than last year.

00:09:36.000 And that's catastrophic for most working people.

00:09:38.000 It absolutely is. 0.94

00:09:40.000 My last trip back from Yuma, we stopped at the gas station.

00:09:42.000 It was $120 to fill up our gas tank.

00:09:45.000 And I just saw that, and I'm like, you know, people can't even afford to go to work.

00:09:49.000 They can't put gas in the gas tank to go to work.

00:09:52.000 I went to the grocery store the other night and bought some baby formula for my new grandbaby because my job.

00:09:58.000 I thought you found some.

00:09:58.000 I did.

00:09:59.000 Well, I found like, you know, two cans, $45 for a can of baby formula.

00:10:05.000 So, you know, and it's only going to get worse.

00:10:08.000 It's only going to get worse.

00:10:09.000 And the supply chain issues, again, I lay right at the feet of the Biden administration.

00:10:14.000 Yeah, it's at every single corner.

00:10:16.000 And so when you have kind of these economic conditions, you have a lot of second and third-tier effects that people don't really anticipate.

00:10:26.000 But what ends up happening is you'll see crime go up.

00:10:29.000 People can't afford things, they get super cynical, you know, and it kind of trickles down.

00:10:33.000 I mean, this is why a booming economy is really good for crime, actually, because when you're earning something, you're not going to go break into a store.

00:10:40.000 We're seeing crime go up in the valley, not in every city, but certainly across the valley.

00:10:46.000 Really quick, talk a little about that, and then we'll kind of continue on the other side of the break.

00:10:49.000 My law enforcement plan speaks to this directly with the rising crime rates.

00:10:53.000 And when you have cities talking about defunding the police, I've made it extremely clear: any city in this state that attempts to defund their police, we will use every authority we have to defund that city.

00:11:04.000 We will back the police.

00:11:05.000 We should defund Tucson if they try to do that. 0.91

00:11:06.000 Absolutely.

00:11:07.000 I don't think they're going to do that.

00:11:08.000 But if there was a place that was going to either Flagstaff or Tucson, I don't think that Paradise Valley would do that anytime soon.

00:11:14.000 Karen Robeson, what's the website?

00:11:16.000 It's Karen Taylor-Robeson.

00:11:17.000 Karen for Arizona.

00:11:18.000 K-A-R-R-I-N for Arizona.com.

00:11:21.000 Okay, great.

00:11:22.000 How's the race going?

00:11:23.000 The race is going very, very well.

00:11:25.000 I started out this year basically zero and name ID and zero in the polls.

00:11:30.000 In fact, one poll had me at 2% with a 4% margin of error, so you go figure that new math.

00:11:36.000 But anyway, we are.

00:11:38.000 You can't go negative.

00:11:38.000 No, right, right.

00:11:40.000 So we are doing very well.

00:11:41.000 We are all over the state.

00:11:42.000 And, you know, I had a significant disadvantage on name ID with a primary competitor, and we knew we had to overcome that, and we are.

00:11:50.000 And we're all over the state, radio, TV, and I am crisscrossing this state loving it.

00:11:54.000 As an Arizona native, I thought I had seen the whole state, only to find out, no, there's a lot of places I haven't been to, but I'm every single day looking at it.

00:12:02.000 It's a gorgeous state.

00:12:03.000 It is a gorgeous state.

00:12:04.000 Last week we were up in Page.

00:12:06.000 I was up there to tour the Glen Canyon Dam and meet with the Bureau of Reclamation to understand a little bit better the drought situation and the practical implications of our reservoir system.

00:12:16.000 But while we were there, we went to Antelope Canyon, which is just one of the great treasures of Arizona.

00:12:21.000 Gorgeous.

00:12:22.000 And so, yeah, every single trip we take, I'm seeing more of the state and loving it.

00:12:26.000 So, crime, huge issue.

00:12:28.000 We were just talking about all the break-ins that we know that are happening in the local area.

00:12:32.000 But I think inflation and crime are tied together.

00:12:34.000 Absolutely.

00:12:34.000 At the end of the day, the election is about safety and security.

00:12:38.000 And that's the job of a governor to make sure that the people of the state are safe and secure.

00:12:43.000 Now, with inflation running rampant coming out of the Biden administration, it makes our job that much more difficult.

00:12:48.000 I heard yesterday, and you might need to fact-check me on this, but I heard that 30% of all the money printed ever has been printed in the last 18 months.

00:12:57.000 I think it's even more than that.

00:12:58.000 I mean, it is, it's unconscionable what we're doing to our kids and our grandkids.

00:13:03.000 We are driving them into the bankruptcy plan.

00:13:06.000 Yeah, and it's happening in our schools and like all this.

00:13:09.000 So, let's talk about the schools too, which is that's really where there's some things governors could do a lot about.

00:13:14.000 There's some things that are like foreign policy is like, you know, very little.

00:13:18.000 But schools is one of the things you could do a lot about.

00:13:21.000 Absolutely.

00:13:21.000 And I am passionate about schools, and I have been for a long, long time.

00:13:26.000 18 years ago, I was appointed to a school board, the Great Hearts School Board, when we had one school.

00:13:34.000 We now have, Great Hearts now has 25 schools with a waiting list of thousands of kids because Arizona parents care about education.

00:13:42.000 They care about choice.

00:13:43.000 We now have more kids enrolled in charter schools in Arizona per capita than any state in the nation.

00:13:48.000 That's terrific.

00:13:48.000 We are a leader.

00:13:49.000 We also have, and this is critically important, we have more than 50% of our kids going to a school other than the one that they've been assigned, which tells me parents care.

00:13:58.000 They want choice.

00:13:59.000 And when I'm governor, the money is going to follow the kid into the classroom, and every parent will have the opportunity to pick the best educational pathway for their kids.

00:14:08.000 And Scottsdale Unified has just been so terrible, you know, in the last couple of years.

00:14:11.000 I mean, Jan Michael Greenberg and that whole thing of style.

00:14:15.000 And so that's really where a governor can intervene.

00:14:19.000 And like someone like Ron DeSantis, who's just been phenomenal in Florida, and say, we're not doing the CRT thing.

00:14:24.000 We're not doing any of this nonsense.

00:14:26.000 We're not doing any of this stuff.

00:14:27.000 We're going to kind of come in.

00:14:29.000 So what do you think of kind of the Ron DeSantis model of governing?

00:14:33.000 Well, you know, I love what he's doing, in particular with the schools and with CRT.

00:14:37.000 I have been a passionate advocate for civics education for a long time.

00:14:41.000 I chaired the Joe Foss Institute when we initiated the civics education initiative that requires all of our high school seniors to take the civics test that immigrants, legal immigrants to the country take in order to become citizens.

00:14:52.000 Arizona was the first to pass that, and now that's required in 33 states.

00:14:57.000 So we estimate between four and six million students, high school seniors a year, have to take that test.

00:15:03.000 I've been passionate about it.

00:15:04.000 And when I go around the state, I tell everybody that when I'm governor, our kids will stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.

00:15:10.000 They will learn to love this country, not hate it, and they will learn that two plus two, in fact, is four.

00:15:15.000 There is this thing called the truth.

00:15:17.000 There's this thing called objective reality.

00:15:19.000 Yes.

00:15:19.000 And that's what our kids will learn.

00:15:20.000 My education plan that I just put out a week ago, I'm going to have a civics education camp for our teachers.

00:15:26.000 Because what we're learning is our teachers don't even know the exceptional nature of this country and the history of this country.

00:15:32.000 If they knew it, they wouldn't hate it.

00:15:34.000 And now they're teaching our kids to hate it.

00:15:37.000 You know, if there was a silver lining at all to COVID, parents woke up and saw what their kids are learning.

00:15:44.000 I totally agree.

00:15:45.000 I mean, everybody, myself included, thought, you know, we're dropping our kid off at school, and we think they're learning what we learned as kids, only to discover that that was totally in error.

00:15:55.000 And that our kids today are being taught to hate this country and hate the kid next to them because of the color of their skin.

00:16:01.000 And that has to and must stop.

00:16:03.000 Really quick, the primary is when?

00:16:05.000 August 2nd.

00:16:06.000 And website again?

00:16:06.000 August 2nd.

00:16:08.000 Karen for Arizona.com, and it's K-A-R-R-I-N for Arizona.com.

00:16:13.000 Great.

00:16:13.000 We'll put that in the show notes as well.

00:16:15.000 And I just want to reinforce we need so much energy and focus on Arizona, everybody.

00:16:20.000 I mean, this is a state that has now just become a prize jewel of the left.

00:16:24.000 They're pouring money into this state.

00:16:24.000 Would you agree?

00:16:26.000 They are.

00:16:27.000 I chaired the Republican Legislative Victory Fund in 2020, and I saw firsthand the millions and millions of dollars that they put into the state then.

00:16:36.000 Absolutely.

00:16:36.000 Karen Taylor Robeson, thank you so much for joining us.

00:16:38.000 Thank you for having me.

00:16:38.000 Thank you.

00:16:39.000 Good luck.

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00:17:40.000 Okay, with us right now is Pedro Gonzalez from Chronicles Magazine.

00:17:44.000 It seems we always have him on on Fridays to kind of recap the week.

00:17:44.000 We have him on.

00:17:47.000 And I love having Pedro on because he's just so brutally honest against these feckless, weak, good-for-nothing Republicans.

00:17:57.000 So, Pedro, welcome back to the program.

00:17:59.000 Charlie, thanks for having me back.

00:18:01.000 So, there's two topics I want to cover with you today.

00:18:03.000 The first is Ukraine vote.

00:18:05.000 You and I are not libertarians, but we sure have a lot of respect for Rand Paul, who is a libertarian, for forcing a roll call vote.

00:18:13.000 What did the Ukraine vote teach us or tell us what we might already have known about the modern Republican Party?

00:18:19.000 In many ways, it's actually worse than the Democratic Party.

00:18:23.000 And that might seem like a strange thing to say because the Democrats are insane, but they're honest about who they are. 0.57

00:18:30.000 Democrats don't hide who they are. 0.90

00:18:32.000 They're honest about who they hate, what they want to do, and what they believe in.

00:18:38.000 Republicans, on the other hand, are either confused, in other words, they don't know what time it is, or they lie to you.

00:18:46.000 So, they've basically enabled the agenda of Biden, which entails stealing money from Americans who are struggling right now, and also bringing us one step closer into a direct war with Russia.

00:18:59.000 Right now, we're just in a proxy war, but the Republicans are basically trying to run to the right of Biden on foreign policy to be more hawkish than him.

00:19:09.000 And their justification for it is that this is patriotic.

00:19:13.000 So, basically, these people care about as much about America as Democrats do, which is to say they don't, but they'll wave the flag.

00:19:22.000 They'll talk about freedom and liberty, and they'll refer to America as the indispensable nation while they sell you out and help Biden.

00:19:29.000 But at the same time, they're denouncing.

00:19:31.000 But there's really not a whole lot of difference at all between the Republican Party's worldview and the Democrats.

00:19:38.000 This is ultimately just a difference in degree.

00:19:41.000 And like you, I'm not a libertarian, but I really respect guys like Thomas Massey and Randall Paul who are standing firm on this and issuing actually principled defenses of their positions and why supporting stuff like this is actually un-American.

00:19:56.000 It's not patriotic.

00:19:58.000 But on the other hand, if you listen to Ted Cruz and Dan Crenshaw, what is their principled argument?

00:20:02.000 They don't have one.

00:20:03.000 They just use buzzwords that if Ukraine falls, Nebraska is next, that this is a fight for freedom and democracy.

00:20:10.000 But what do those words mean?

00:20:12.000 Freedom means empowering the Biden administration to have more control over our fate.

00:20:17.000 That's exactly right.

00:20:18.000 To take money from Americans who are struggling right now.

00:20:21.000 Those positions mean nothing.

00:20:23.000 And I think that's why, for me, what the Republican Party does isn't morally, in many ways, more reprehensible than Democrats.

00:20:30.000 I'm obviously not a Democrat, but again, Democrats are honest about their positions.

00:20:36.000 Yes.

00:20:37.000 And I mean, there's so much to unpack there.

00:20:39.000 I want to start with this, which is that they don't know what time it is, which I completely and totally agree, or they're just so ideologically corrupt or misguided.

00:20:48.000 And I respect some of these people on other issues that voted for this Ukraine package. 0.54

00:20:54.000 And their statements, it's just, it's full of nonsense.

00:20:58.000 Where they say, well, you know, we can't have Russia bordering a NATO country.

00:21:03.000 I'm like, well, they actually already are.

00:21:05.000 If you know anything about Russian geography, there's a 1 million person port city, Kalingrad Oblast, which borders Poland and it's a military installation.

00:21:17.000 So Russia already has troops bordering NATO countries.

00:21:21.000 So the argument is that you think that we should further intervene to the tune of $40 billion that we don't have, and that he asked for 33 billion.

00:21:31.000 And something you and I have talked about before, which is one of the Republicans that voted for it, I can't remember too, is like, well, this is us showing that, you know, we're sending American values to Ukraine.

00:21:41.000 I'm like, oh, okay, so that American values, like, so 11-year-olds in Kyiv can get puberty blockers or that there can be a Planned Parenthood in every corner in Mariupol.

00:21:49.000 Like, is that the American values?

00:21:51.000 I don't think we're sending the American values of Alexander Hamilton with this aid package.

00:21:57.000 In fact, it funds the government directly, does it not?

00:22:00.000 Yeah, I think this is actually a really important point because, again, it shows either ideological confusion, they don't understand their own position and why it's wrong, or that they're lying.

00:22:11.000 Because supporting this kind of aid and the process that it entails, I mean, I don't know how else to describe it other than statism.

00:22:20.000 If you're someone like Ted Cruz, who constantly sings the praises of limited government and fiscal responsibility, how can you do that and not laugh at how hypocritical you sound when you support sending billions of dollars to Ukraine, which is, you know, we're not even getting into the fact that Ukraine is just a haven of corruption that specializes in basically stealing international aid money.

00:22:46.000 This is all really well known and documented.

00:22:48.000 One of the biggest oligarchs in Ukraine, his name is Igor Kolomoyski.

00:22:53.000 He's a key supporter of Zelensky.

00:22:55.000 This is someone who has actually been in hot water recently for allegedly stealing IMF aid money, billions of dollars of it through Pre-Votbank, right?

00:23:05.000 I mean, there's a whole connection between this guy and Hunter Biden and Burisma.

00:23:09.000 But the point is, you can't pretend to be against the state and for a limited government while at the same time supporting this.

00:23:18.000 So it just shows that these Republicans either don't have principles or don't understand the implications of their principles.

00:23:25.000 So 11 Republicans voted no.

00:23:28.000 That's depressing, but it's actually more than I thought it would be.

00:23:32.000 I'll be very honest.

00:23:33.000 Some of them voted no because they said the number was too big or the excuses were okay, right?

00:23:41.000 There was only a couple like Josh Hawley or Mike Lee or Rand Paul that I think made the correct argument, like, why are we doing this at all if it was $1 or $40 billion, right?

00:23:50.000 That's actually the correct argument.

00:23:52.000 But if they technically say the amount, I'm okay with that, honestly, because the vote is the same, whether the reason or not.

00:23:59.000 But Pedro, I spend a lot of time with grassroots voters.

00:24:02.000 I spent a lot of time talking to our listeners.

00:24:04.000 This is like an 80-20 issue.

00:24:06.000 80% of the conservative base, Republican voters, they find this idea of spending $40 billion to Ukraine is insane.

00:24:14.000 Do they not fear their voters?

00:24:16.000 So 80-20, you said support.

00:24:18.000 No, don't support sending the money.

00:24:20.000 Do not support sending the money.

00:24:22.000 So you're saying that there's a division between the base and the leadership.

00:24:26.000 Yes.

00:24:27.000 I'm sorry, I'm not making it clear.

00:24:28.000 80% of people think we're agree with us that sending this money is insane.

00:24:32.000 Yeah.

00:24:32.000 Yes.

00:24:33.000 Why?

00:24:33.000 Why does Republican leadership?

00:24:34.000 On the one hand, I think it really comes down again to this kind of Mitch McConnell's an old guy.

00:24:40.000 I think certainly part of him is still kind of stuck.

00:24:43.000 And that's not to say anything bad about old people, but it seems to him natural to kind of frame it, maybe to lie to himself that this is just kind of the Cold War all over again, right?

00:24:54.000 That this is the Ruskies and Red Dawn and stuff like that.

00:24:57.000 I think maybe he has to tell himself that to justify what is just inexcusable.

00:25:03.000 But on the other hand, so setting that aside, we accept that some of these people are, you know, they really believe that this is Cold War 2.0.

00:25:12.000 If you set that aside, I think it just comes down to the fact that there is a lot of money, I think a lot of political favors.

00:25:21.000 And basically foreign policy, I think, is the kind of cornerstone of the established political order.

00:25:29.000 I totally agree.

00:25:30.000 And I think that this is not something that your average Republican voter thinks about because they're thinking about domestic issues.

00:25:37.000 And that's right.

00:25:38.000 That's obviously the correct instinct to have.

00:25:41.000 But foreign policy is really kind of the biggest expression of ideology.

00:25:48.000 All of the bad things, in other words, that your Republican voter hates about the current government, about the current establishment, a lot of those things run through our foreign policy.

00:25:59.000 That's exactly right.

00:26:00.000 If you look at it, our foreign policy for decades has been basically the process of transferring our sovereignty, our privacy, and our freedom to these unaccountable organizations that are basically transnational that we have no control over, right?

00:26:15.000 Like, I don't know if you'd put the World Health Organization under the umbrella of foreign policy, but this is one of these organizations that we just kind of defer fate to.

00:26:23.000 Or maybe NATO.

00:26:25.000 NATO is another good example, right?

00:26:26.000 Finland joining NATO.

00:26:27.000 So now Americans are going to have to go die basically over countries like Finland wanting to mix it up with Russia.

00:26:36.000 Now we have to go protect the borders of Finland.

00:26:39.000 Why does the actions of Finland basically determine our fate?

00:26:44.000 Yep.

00:26:44.000 You know the answer is that they actually don't believe in our borders.

00:26:47.000 So they're trying to desensitize us to that by just trying to expand the horizon of what actually matters.

00:26:54.000 What's so hilarious is like, if they think borders don't matter at all, then that would invalidate the whole idea of NATO, wouldn't it?

00:27:00.000 I mean, the idea that no border matters, but you and I both know this, that it is a Petri dish project for these incredibly radical, degenerate social issues to be able to be exported imperialistically, right?

00:27:14.000 That's why in the midst of all this, NATO is posting pictures with like the rainbow flag.

00:27:19.000 What does that have to do with everything, actually?

00:27:22.000 Everything.

00:27:25.000 Pedro, this week there was a massive smear campaign launched against Tucker Carlson in association with the tragedy that happened in Buffalo, all around this quote-unquote idea of the great replacement.

00:27:37.000 This is, of course, nothing that anyone on the center right talks about.

00:27:41.000 None of us actually even know what this is until the lefts or the ADL start screaming about it when they're the ones that have actually been bragging about how mass immigration and demographic change are going to help them politically.

00:27:51.000 And the moment we point it out, all of a sudden we're the ones pushing the theory.

00:27:54.000 What are your thoughts on all of this?

00:27:55.000 I think that the great replacement is something that if we look at who subscribes to this, who believes in it, you're not going to find anyone that fits that profile better than Democrats and liberals who have been, like you said, screaming about basically weaponizing the demographics of immigration to secure electoral victories and affect political and cultural change.

00:28:19.000 That's ultimately what we're talking about.

00:28:21.000 There's this attempt to kind of reframe it as there's a difference between what I just described to you right now and the great replacement somehow, but it doesn't really make sense.

00:28:30.000 The difference is really just an attempt to kind of misdirect.

00:28:32.000 In some ways, it's the reverse of what people like Christopher Ruffo have done with critical race theory, where he took something that was a specific thing.

00:28:40.000 And I'm defending this, by the way.

00:28:42.000 I think it was brilliant what he did.

00:28:43.000 He took critical race theory and he said, we're going to use this term because we can, it's something that people can understand.

00:28:49.000 It's sling that's evocative, and we're going to use it to describe all different matters of basically indoctrination to get people to hate themselves based on their race, right?

00:28:58.000 It was highly effective.

00:28:59.000 It was really effective at mobilizing the grassroots because it ultimately told the truth in just a few words.

00:29:05.000 What I think the Democrats and liberals are trying to do is the same thing, but with the Great Replacement.

00:29:10.000 So in other words, if you criticize immigration, well, you're obviously an advocate of this anti-Semitic racist conspiracy theory. 0.58

00:29:17.000 So now you can't criticize immigration because if you do, you'll get another Buffalo shooting.

00:29:22.000 It is insanely cynical.

00:29:25.000 It's, for lack of a better word, evil.

00:29:27.000 Because again, these people have been the biggest proponents of using what they think is demography as destiny to basically defeat the Republican Party for good.

00:29:40.000 That is ultimately their goal.

00:29:43.000 It's insane.

00:29:44.000 It's cynical.

00:29:45.000 It's twisted.

00:29:46.000 And it vilifies only half the country in order for it to work.

00:29:51.000 Well, and it's they're the ones.

00:29:52.000 I mean, we have, we played tape for like 10 minutes the other day, where they repeatedly are the ones that are like, well, demographics or destiny, demographics or destiny, as Scarborough says it over and over and over again.

00:30:03.000 And it is this unbelievable smear where then you and I say like, okay, maybe I'm going to believe that you're actually trying to use mass immigration as a way to get political power.

00:30:13.000 Like, how dare you say that?

00:30:14.000 I mean, I mean, we're used to the media being dishonest, Pedro, but this is like a whole different level of like gaslighting deceit.

00:30:22.000 But that's actually why I think it's not working as well as they want it to.

00:30:26.000 I agree.

00:30:26.000 Precisely because it's so well documented.

00:30:29.000 And I mean, there's articles in the New York Times where the headline is, we can replace them. 0.95

00:30:34.000 There's articles in the New York Times by Charles Blow, where he's saying that the census, the 2020 census showed the explosion of the non-white and the shrinking of the white, which he thinks obviously is a good thing because Charles Blow hates white people. 0.63

00:30:49.000 You can't read his columns and come away with any other conclusion. 0.56

00:30:52.000 Or sorry, the wrong kind of white people, which are the ones that I guess that don't defer to him, right? 0.63

00:30:57.000 They don't work at the New York Times. 0.95

00:30:59.000 Right.

00:30:59.000 In 2016 or 2018, but basically looking back on the election of Donald Trump, sorry, it was 2018, not 2016.

00:31:06.000 Looking back on the election of Donald Trump, he published an article called White Extinction Anxiety, where he reduced Donald Trump's victory to just that, basically the last dying gasp of white people in America who he doesn't like.

00:31:19.000 Their time is up. 0.58

00:31:20.000 They know it. 0.99

00:31:21.000 So they voted Donald Trump in a pathetic last-ditch effort to save themselves. 0.94

00:31:25.000 But now suddenly, you know, we have no idea what this is. 0.95

00:31:29.000 Tucker Carlson came up with it, popularized it, and then obviously encouraged this shooter at Buffalo through his rhetoric.

00:31:37.000 Of course, the shooter doesn't actually mention Doug Carlson in his manifesto in his 180-page screet.

00:31:42.000 He actually is critical of Fox News and pretty much every other media organization.

00:31:46.000 He describes himself as a, I think, moderate, a left-wing authoritarian.

00:31:51.000 It's some like weird position.

00:31:52.000 He says, I'm a moderate left authoritarian. 0.99

00:31:55.000 Well, you're dealing with a crazy person.

00:31:56.000 We don't schizophrenic.

00:31:59.000 But and then he mentions this idea of like demography used as a political vehicle, which again, Democrats have openly been taught.

00:32:06.000 Joe Biden in 2015, his vice president said that I don't know if you played this already, but you know, he said himself that it was a source of our strength that a non-stop wave of immigration would reduce Americans of white European European stock to a minority.

00:32:22.000 Ted Kennedy said that exact same thing in the 60s and 70s, that mass immigration, when you pass the bill, is going to help the Democrat Party.

00:32:29.000 We're out of time.

00:32:29.000 Pedro, thank you.

00:32:30.000 Contra Substack, check it out.

00:32:32.000 I'm a subscriber.

00:32:33.000 Check it out.

00:32:34.000 It's contra.substack.com.

00:32:35.000 Pedro Gonzalez, thank you so much.

00:32:37.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:32:38.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - May 23, 2022

Ukraine, The Great Reset, and the New Republican Right with Pedro Gonzalez

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