The Charlie Kirk Show - Ukrainian Nazis, SCOTUS on Pedophiles, and Hunter's Laptop from Hell with Miranda Devine

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk show, we go through the laptop from hell.

00:00:04.000 And also, why are we so quiet on the Ukrainian Nazi situation?

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00:00:15.000 A unique question.

00:00:15.000 We explore that at the end of our episode.

00:00:17.000 I don't have enough time to get into it as much as I'd like, but we talk about it just a little bit.

00:00:21.000 And I'd love your thoughts.

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00:01:00.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:42.000 We have the amazing Miranda Devine.

00:01:45.000 I've been dealing with all these names.

00:01:46.000 Someone came in, they said, Charlie, you have Rachel Levine coming on the program.

00:01:49.000 I said, What are you talking about?

00:01:50.000 You mean Miranda?

00:01:51.000 Like, what?

00:01:52.000 I don't know.

00:01:53.000 Someone had their wires crossed here.

00:01:54.000 So, no, we have Miranda Devine, who is the author of the laptop from hell. 1.00

00:02:00.000 Can't wait to go through that.

00:02:03.000 With her, there's rumblings that Hunter Biden is going to be indicted soon.

00:02:09.000 I definitely want to ask about that, but I want to get into some more sound here, just kind of about things that are happening generally in the country and the world.

00:02:18.000 So, I'm really fascinated by this particular story, and I don't think it is worthy of just kind of glossing over.

00:02:27.000 So, I want you to imagine if America had a KKK battalion within our own military. 0.68

00:02:38.000 I want you to imagine if we were supporting groups that were Nazis.

00:02:46.000 Well, we are, actually.

00:02:49.000 It's amazing.

00:02:50.000 It's just shocking to me how the left-wing regime media has spent years smearing all of us as Nazis.

00:02:59.000 Anyone who dares show up at school board meetings as Nazis, and then they fund actual real-life Nazis in Ukraine.

00:03:05.000 And this is not like a slur or an exaggeration. 0.94

00:03:08.000 There's a video right here that we see in front of us where there is literally a guy wearing a Nazi symbol in full tattoos with fully automatic machine guns saying in Ukrainian, like, we're going to go kill the Russians. 0.96

00:03:24.000 And so, the argument then goes, Well, Charlie, we have to back somebody because Vladimir Putin is evil. 0.99

00:03:29.000 Vladimir Putin is evil. 0.98

00:03:29.000 I agree. 0.98

00:03:30.000 Well, then, under that logic, why didn't we back ISIS to go fight Bashar al-Assad?

00:03:37.000 What if both sides could be really bad?

00:03:39.000 Now, this is the backbone of some of the Ukrainian resistance in Maripol, which is the southeastern corner of Ukraine.

00:03:51.000 The southeastern corner of Ukraine is right within this kind of Russian separatist area.

00:03:56.000 It's where a lot of the fighting is happening.

00:03:58.000 It's an area that Russia really, really wants.

00:04:01.000 It's a port city.

00:04:04.000 So a question that I think is necessary for us is: why does the American regime or the people that run our government, why are they all of a sudden so comfortable with associating with Nazis?

00:04:19.000 Now, I'm not calling Zelensky a Nazi.

00:04:21.000 He's a grandchild of Holocaust survivors.

00:04:24.000 Obviously not.

00:04:25.000 Zelensky's Jewish.

00:04:26.000 But Zelensky is partnering in some capacity with outright neo-Nazis on the mainland of Ukraine.

00:04:35.000 This is unavoidable.

00:04:37.000 This is factual.

00:04:39.000 And so Facebook allows praise of neo-Nazi Ukrainian battalions if it fights for the Russian invasion.

00:04:48.000 This is from theintercept.com.

00:04:51.000 Actually, my server doesn't even allow me to go to theintercept.com.

00:04:54.000 So it says the reversal raises questions about Facebook blacklist-based content moderation, which critics say lacks nuance and context.

00:05:03.000 It says here, quote, Facebook will temporarily allow its billions of users to praise the Azov Battalion, a Ukrainian neo-Nazi military unit previously banned for being freely discussed under the company's dangerous individuals and organizations policy.

00:05:20.000 Just to give you an idea, the Azov battalion makes the people that went to Charlottesville, which was obviously bigoted and hateful, the people that were involved in the racial part of Charlottesville, even though there were a lot of people there that were there for the statue and Trump was right in the way he described it.

00:05:42.000 It was a lot more nuanced than that, but it makes it look like child's play.

00:05:47.000 Look, I'm not one to kind of be like alarmist about this stuff.

00:05:51.000 I think that these terms are used way too generously and loosely. 0.63

00:05:55.000 That person's a Nazi. 0.64

00:05:56.000 That's enough. 0.91

00:05:57.000 Okay, back off.

00:05:59.000 It's insane.

00:06:00.000 This is actually the chance to use it.

00:06:02.000 So the media will happily call almost everyone neo-Nazi sympathizers except actual neo-Nazi sympathizers.

00:06:11.000 And I think we have actually built pretty, let's say, considerable credibility here because we're not the ones calling everybody Nazis all the time.

00:06:21.000 We're very careful to use that because I think that the atrocities of the Holocaust, the millions of people, some estimates show over 10 million people intentionally slaughtered in the Holocaust.

00:06:33.000 That's not something to use around, but throw around like a frisbee like MSNBC and CNN does.

00:06:38.000 Yeah, Nazi, Nazi, Nazi.

00:06:40.000 Throw them around like everyone gets a pizza, like you're giving out cars at an Oprah Winfrey viewing.

00:06:45.000 No, it's actually something you should be very careful because when everything becomes something, nothing becomes something.

00:06:53.000 It is the dilution of the description of bigotry.

00:06:58.000 The same way that we have inflated our dollars is the same way the media has been covering Nazism in America the last 10 years.

00:07:07.000 If all of a sudden Donald Trump becomes a Nazi and his supporters all become not, well, then it's like, okay, well, then we can't even talk about it.

00:07:14.000 Everyone is.

00:07:15.000 But then what happens when American taxpayer dollars are funding the Azov battalion?

00:07:21.000 It says, quote, though it has in recent years downplayed its neo-Nazi sympathies, the group's affinities are not subtle.

00:07:28.000 The intercept rights.

00:07:30.000 Azov soldiers march and train wearing uniforms bearing icons of the Third Reich.

00:07:36.000 Its leadership has reportedly courted American alt-right and neo-Nazi elements.

00:07:40.000 And in 2010, the battalion's first commander and former Ukrainian parliamentarian, Andrei Bletsky, stated that Ukraine's national purpose was to, quote, lead the white races of the world in a final crusade against Semite-led Untermenschin.

00:07:56.000 Now, let me just take a pause here.

00:07:58.000 That phrase untermenschen is a Nietzschean phrase.

00:08:02.000 Friedrich Nietzsche wrote Beyond Good and Evil.

00:08:10.000 He was a theorist about how he also famously said God is dead.

00:08:14.000 He didn't say that actually positively.

00:08:17.000 He was mourning that God was dead in the West.

00:08:19.000 Nietzsche predicted where the West was going and highly and heavily influenced the rise of the Third Reich and the Soviet Union.

00:08:25.000 But there was a phrase that he came up with called the Übermensch, which is the Superman.

00:08:29.000 That's where we get the American Superman series from of the perfect man.

00:08:34.000 And this is the Germans took this, of course, in a very evil way where they said, okay, we are the master race.

00:08:40.000 We are the Übermensches.

00:08:41.000 And then they had an inverse who are the Untermensches, the subhumans. 1.00

00:08:47.000 This Übermensch, Untermensch type philosophy that came from Friedrich Nietzsche and was, of course, then used by the entire National Socialist Workers' Party of Germany is now being repeated by people our taxpayer dollars are funding in Ukraine.

00:09:00.000 And I don't want to hear the emails from people at freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:09:04.000 Well, Charlie, Putin is bad too.

00:09:06.000 I know Putin is satanically inspired and is evil and is all these things.

00:09:10.000 I'm not talking about Putin right now. 0.81

00:09:12.000 I'm talking about why we are funding Nazis in Ukraine. 0.70

00:09:15.000 Now, some people use the minimalist argument.

00:09:17.000 Some people say it's only 3,000 people.

00:09:19.000 It's 5,000 people.

00:09:21.000 That's a lot of Nazis.

00:09:24.000 Now, there's another argument where people say, well, sometimes you have to ally or ally with bad people.

00:09:29.000 You have to ally with Stalin like Churchill did and America did to defeat the Nazis. 0.79

00:09:35.000 Fine.

00:09:36.000 Then be honest, though.

00:09:38.000 Don't say that Ukraine is a beacon of democracy and the land of the free.

00:09:42.000 If I have to hear one more person say, what's happening in Ukraine feels a lot like 1776. 0.89

00:09:47.000 I saw Ben Sass say this yesterday on Tucker and it's so ridiculous.

00:09:50.000 Like what reminds me of happening in Ukraine is very similar to the spirit of 1776. 0.57

00:09:55.000 Like I must have missed Washington, Hamilton, John Jay, John Hancock, and Paul Revere having Nazi-like sympathies writing about it. 0.79

00:10:08.000 No, actually, they had sympathies that were anti-those things.

00:10:11.000 Human equality, liberty, virtue, goodness, beauty.

00:10:16.000 That's what the American Revolution was about.

00:10:19.000 Maybe part of this conflict in Russia and Ukraine is not as clear as the fight for human rights as they're saying it is.

00:10:27.000 Be very careful who you ally yourself with.

00:10:30.000 And American congressmen, they need an answer for that.

00:10:33.000 I'm just wondering, why are we funding these organizations in Ukraine?

00:10:36.000 Why are we acting like this is okay?

00:10:38.000 Where are the, by the way, where are the Jewish advocacy groups on this?

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00:11:41.000 Dealing with a lot on this Twitter suspension thing.

00:11:43.000 It really seems to have hit a nerve because we did nothing wrong.

00:11:46.000 It's one of those things when people obviously violate the rules.

00:11:49.000 I don't like the rules. 1.00

00:11:50.000 I think they're stupid and totalitarian. 1.00

00:11:52.000 But this one doesn't. 1.00

00:11:53.000 And that's what's so incredible.

00:11:56.000 I want to get to a little bit of Katanji Brown Jackson here as Katanji is in front of the United States Senate right now for potential confirmation.

00:12:08.000 Okay, let's go to Cut 41.

00:12:10.000 Senator Hirono, who wants to build highways from Los Angeles to Honolulu and also wants the Green New Deal to be ushered in and has told men to sit down and shut up, has pushed back against this idea that Katanji is the affirmative action pick, which of course she is.

00:12:27.000 Play Cut 41.

00:12:28.000 And they have implied you were solely nominated due to your race and not for other factors.

00:12:34.000 Your nomination is not about filling a quota.

00:12:38.000 It is about time.

00:12:41.000 It's about time that we have a highly qualified, highly accomplished black woman on the Supreme Court. 0.56

00:12:47.000 It's about time our highest court better reflects the country it serves.

00:12:53.000 Yeah, it's not about affirmative action, but it actually is about the affirmative action because it's time that we have affirmative action.

00:12:59.000 It's exactly what I expect from Senator Hirono.

00:13:02.000 And by the way, no one's implying that Katanji was selected because of her race.

00:13:11.000 We are very transparently saying it because Joe Biden said it.

00:13:18.000 No one said, Joe Biden did not run for president saying that we are going to have people come.

00:13:26.000 I'm not going to select people on the Supreme Court that are wise or that are steeped in constitutional experience.

00:13:32.000 No, he said all along it's going to be a black female. 1.00

00:13:36.000 Again, melanin content and chromosomes matter a lot.

00:13:40.000 Again, what is a female anymore? 1.00

00:13:42.000 I don't know.

00:13:43.000 Now, this will be a very interesting backbreaker of the political correct regime.

00:13:49.000 Is race something you can change?

00:13:51.000 Now, we saw that with Rachel Dolizel, the former head of the, I want to say NAACP in Spokane, where it was the white woman who pretended to be a black person, who identified as a black person.

00:14:04.000 That'll be really interesting when people start to try to change their race on it.

00:14:07.000 So here's the real question, everybody.

00:14:09.000 Can Leah Thomas, formerly William Thomas, become a black woman?

00:14:15.000 Is that allowed?

00:14:16.000 Are you allowed to change your race just like you changed your gender? 0.95

00:14:20.000 You think I'm kidding?

00:14:21.000 I'm just, I'm asking for the rules because they're constantly changing.

00:14:24.000 By the way, a mark of a totalitarian chapter of human history is when you cannot know the rules from one day to the other.

00:14:31.000 If the rules are always changing, then the people making the rules have all the power.

00:14:36.000 Alexander Solshenitsyn famously said, we know they are lying.

00:14:41.000 They know they are lying.

00:14:42.000 They know we know they are lying.

00:14:44.000 We know, they know, we know they are lying, but they're still lying.

00:14:48.000 Alexandra Solshenitsyn.

00:14:50.000 Put that up on Instagram if they don't put that down, Connor, in the next day or two.

00:14:55.000 Let's get to some more sound here of Katanji Jackson.

00:14:58.000 What's her opinion on court packing?

00:14:59.000 Play cut 35.

00:15:01.000 Do you agree with Justice Breyer and Justice Ginberg that court packing is a bad idea?

00:15:07.000 Well, respectfully, Senator, other nominees to the Supreme Court have responded as I will, which is that it is a policy question for Congress.

00:15:20.000 And I am particularly mindful of not speaking to policy issues because I am so committed to staying in my lane.

00:15:32.000 Yeah, what is your lane exactly?

00:15:34.000 I guess your lane is making sure that pedophiles don't go to prison.

00:15:38.000 Now, let me just say this.

00:15:39.000 There's a chance this entire deal gets derailed.

00:15:43.000 I don't know who in the Joe Biden kind of selection committee raised their hand and say, hey, let's go for the judge that was really soft on pedophiles and has a soft spot for terrorists.

00:15:56.000 That'll help us with suburban women in Scottsdale. 1.00

00:15:56.000 Perfect. 1.00

00:16:01.000 Play Cut 33, where Katanji Brown Jackson says sentencing guidelines for child pornography offenders are leading to extreme disparities in the system.

00:16:10.000 Play Cut 33.

00:16:11.000 But the way that the guideline is now structured, based on that set of circumstances, is leading to extreme disparities in the system because it's so easy for people to get volumes of this kind of material now by computers.

00:16:30.000 Yeah, that sounds like justifying the crime to me.

00:16:34.000 This could get derailed.

00:16:35.000 I don't know, Mark Kelly and Raphael Warnock.

00:16:38.000 You guys are going to have some pretty tough Senate races.

00:16:40.000 I don't know if you're going to want to go back to the voters and say, hey, I just put someone on the U.S. Supreme Court that's life's work was about trying to be lenient to pedophiles and gitmoterrorists. 0.99

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00:18:07.000 With us right now is a phenomenal patriot.

00:18:09.000 She's super smart and is shaking the matrix. 1.00

00:18:12.000 There's a lot happening.

00:18:13.000 I think it's because of her reporting and because of her book that we're starting to see some rumblings from our federal law enforcement agencies in the direction of Hunter Biden.

00:18:24.000 With us is Miranda Devine, author of the plainly titled but accurately titled book, The Laptop from Hell.

00:18:32.000 Miranda, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:18:35.000 Thanks so much, Charlie.

00:18:36.000 Great to be with you.

00:18:37.000 So tell us, the book is out.

00:18:39.000 I've heard some amazing things about it.

00:18:42.000 And so tell us what the reaction has been.

00:18:44.000 Well, look, it's been a bestseller.

00:18:47.000 It's sold a lot of copies to people on our side of the fence.

00:18:52.000 But really, there was this wall between conservatives and people who are, you know, perhaps Trump voters who didn't vote for Joe Biden and the people who read the New York Times and watch CNN and MSNBC and just were kept in the dark by their favored organs before the election.

00:19:12.000 And until 17 months later, last week, the New York Times broke that wall just a little, just a little chink by admitting that, yes, the laptop from hell, Hunter Biden's abandoned laptop, is real and they had authenticated emails on it. 0.97

00:19:30.000 I mean, we did that 17 months ago, you know, basically at the New York Post.

00:19:35.000 That was your previous guest, Emma Joe Morris, my friend, my colleague.

00:19:39.000 She did a brilliant job of doing the due diligence that was necessary.

00:19:43.000 And we also had Tony Bobolinski, who you didn't need the laptop.

00:19:48.000 You could just talk to Tony Bobolinski, who was a very credible businessman who got caught up in the Hunter Biden mess and a patriot, a naval veteran.

00:19:58.000 He offered himself to the media.

00:20:00.000 He gave a press conference before the election, after the New York Post story first came out.

00:20:05.000 And no one was interested.

00:20:07.000 They just dismissed him.

00:20:08.000 They ignored him.

00:20:09.000 We didn't.

00:20:10.000 We published the material that he gave us, which was, you know, it corroborated what was on the laptop and it augmented it.

00:20:19.000 And then there was the Chuck Grasley and Ron Johnson inquiry, which already, about a month before we published our stories, had already started laying down the paper trail, the documents that showed all this millions of dollars.

00:20:34.000 It ended up being tens of millions of dollars coming out of Chinese and Russian and Ukrainian shady coffers into the bank accounts in America of Joe Biden's family members and their business partners.

00:20:49.000 Yeah, I mean, Peter Schweitzer said, if you look at the three big flashpoints in American foreign policy, Ukraine, Russia, and China, the Biden family has received millions of dollars from every single one of them.

00:20:59.000 And the laptop really talked about that in so many words.

00:21:03.000 I want to play a piece of tape here: a former CIA officer Mike Baker, who slams the laptop from hell cover-up.

00:21:10.000 Very interesting piece of tape here.

00:21:12.000 I'd love your reaction.

00:21:12.000 Play cut three.

00:21:14.000 I love this topic in a sense, not so much because of whatever the Hunter was up to, but in part because now when you look at the liberals, Dems and the progressives, it doesn't matter to them.

00:21:27.000 If you read some of the narrative that is out there now, the social media in the past day or so, ever since the New York Times came out with this, they're just dismissive of it.

00:21:37.000 And they don't care or they're willing to overlook it, which is the same thing they accuse the right of doing.

00:21:46.000 Now, before Miranda, I ask you to react.

00:21:48.000 The one thing this entire story has taught me, and it's been an unfortunate revelation, is the New York Times actually still does have credibility in a lot of people's eyes.

00:21:57.000 It's that as soon as the New York Times says it, now all of a sudden it's allowed to kind of go through mainstream circuitry.

00:22:02.000 What's your reaction?

00:22:04.000 You're so right.

00:22:05.000 I mean, it's quite irritating to be asked, do you feel vindicated?

00:22:08.000 No, I don't need the New York Times.

00:22:11.000 Exactly.

00:22:11.000 That's exactly right.

00:22:12.000 To agree that what we did was right to be vindicated. 0.97

00:22:17.000 It's ridiculous.

00:22:18.000 But unfortunately, you know, the New York Times sets the agenda for a lot of the media.

00:22:22.000 I remember Project Veritas had this great leaked conversation that Jeff Zucker and his news executives, the day of our story back in October of 2020.

00:22:36.000 And he said, I'm not, I don't want you following this story.

00:22:38.000 It's not credible.

00:22:40.000 It's old.

00:22:41.000 You know, we've been there, done that.

00:22:42.000 This has been debunked.

00:22:43.000 I mean, this was fresh information and it went to the credibility and the integrity of one of the two candidates for president.

00:22:51.000 And it's the media's role, their job, to do the due diligence on behalf of the American voter.

00:22:59.000 And I have some very interesting polling that I've seen that is still in progress.

00:23:05.000 There'll be more polling done overnight.

00:23:08.000 But eventually this week, I will be reporting on it, showing that really increasingly more and more Americans are awake to the laptop story.

00:23:20.000 They didn't know before the election, but this past year, these past few months, and especially now with the New York Times illuminating their readers to there is actually a story in this, more and more voters are aware of it.

00:23:38.000 And they also have a very dim view of Joe Biden and his integrity.

00:23:44.000 So there are rumblings now that Hunter Biden might be indicted, that his former lover or wife or whatever, someone that came out that said that.

00:23:54.000 It seems that he's being investigated, we know, for the tax issues and potential foreign registration issues.

00:24:01.000 Do you think this might just be kind of bluster?

00:24:04.000 Do you think he's an untouchable figure?

00:24:07.000 Or do you believe based on what you've seen and reported on from the laptop, the evidence is so overwhelming that any U.S. attorney that wants to be able to look at his prosecutors in the eye has to move on this evidence?

00:24:20.000 Yeah, the latter.

00:24:21.000 I mean, the evidence is overwhelming.

00:24:23.000 And apparently the U.S. attorney David Weiss in Delaware has been investigating Hunter Biden on tax evasion, money laundering.

00:24:32.000 And as you say, the FARA registration, FARA violations.

00:24:36.000 And since at least 2018, the New York Times tells us it predates that.

00:24:41.000 But we know for sure since 2018, we know that there were subpoenas sent out to one of Hunter's banks looking for his statements also of his uncle Jim and two of his partners, Eric Schwerin and Devon Archer.

00:24:56.000 And particularly, they asked for anything to do with the Bank of China.

00:25:01.000 So we also know that there have been several people trooping down to Delaware to testify before a grand jury there.

00:25:08.000 And one of those was, you just mentioned London Roberts, who was the former stripper who was the father of, or is the father of Hunter Biden's unacknowledged fifth child.

00:25:20.000 And that is a little four-year-old girl.

00:25:23.000 And London Roberts had to sue Hunter basically for paternity to prove that it was his child. 0.98

00:25:31.000 She's from Arkansas.

00:25:32.000 She trooped down there. 0.99

00:25:33.000 And so did another former girlfriend of his.

00:25:37.000 And various other people, we understand, have also been testifying.

00:25:40.000 And London Roberts' lawyer is the one who said that he is convinced that Hunter Biden will be indicted.

00:25:47.000 He handed over a trove of financial documents that he had.

00:25:53.000 So, you know, if he is indicted, this is what that New York Times story was all about.

00:25:59.000 It was about rehearsing Hunter Biden's defense, you know, saying he's already paid a million dollars in tax.

00:26:06.000 That should let him off.

00:26:07.000 You know, when it comes to the Farah violations, well, if he should be able to retrospectively register as a foreign agent.

00:26:15.000 Yeah, if only Paul Manafort was given that kind of opportunity, right?

00:26:20.000 Which was the crux of his entire indictment, right?

00:26:22.000 Which is you were doing oligarch representation and we're going to get you because you have a bunch of mink coats so you didn't register or whatever.

00:26:31.000 Yeah, he went to jail for that.

00:26:33.000 Yes, he did.

00:26:34.000 Tom Barrick, who was another Trump world person.

00:26:38.000 Yeah, you're right.

00:26:39.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:26:40.000 And he's also been caught up because of Farah.

00:26:44.000 This was a little used law until Trump came along and they were used before Trump.

00:26:49.000 You're right.

00:26:50.000 And I don't know if anyone ever went to jail before Manafort.

00:26:50.000 That's right.

00:26:53.000 No, that was like a Cuban group of people they got or something, but like no one.

00:26:57.000 It was a Nazi era law.

00:26:58.000 And you're right.

00:26:59.000 That's exactly right.

00:27:01.000 But it's like, you know, how they used to get the mob.

00:27:05.000 I mean, they just get them for tax or whatever.

00:27:08.000 It's just an excuse.

00:27:09.000 And it was an excuse to go after Trump and his people.

00:27:12.000 And so it's a great irony now, isn't it, that Hunter Biden's been caught up in this?

00:27:18.000 So I'm going to ask you to speculate on something, which I know you're a journalist, so you have to be careful the way you do this.

00:27:23.000 But do you see a pattern or do you see evidence that there might be a deliberate campaign to kind of get rid of Joe?

00:27:31.000 That it's that he served his purpose.

00:27:33.000 We implemented him, that he's no longer really useful.

00:27:38.000 Do you see some of that?

00:27:39.000 Because the children of the elite are usually untouchable regardless of the crime, right?

00:27:45.000 Usually there's a way to cover this up.

00:27:47.000 Now, maybe the laptop exposed that to such an extent, but do you think that Joe Biden is more of a liability than a benefit right now to the aims and the ambitions of the entire machine?

00:27:59.000 Look, I wouldn't go that far.

00:28:01.000 I mean, obviously, once he won the election, he ceased to be really important to them.

00:28:05.000 He is disposable once he becomes too much of a liability.

00:28:08.000 That's always been the case.

00:28:10.000 So I think that they'll just let this play out.

00:28:12.000 The fact is that you can't intervene.

00:28:15.000 He's the president.

00:28:16.000 He's powerful, but he can't really intervene in an investigation by an independent, you know, U.S. attorney who's been doing this for four years.

00:28:28.000 So they'll just let it play out.

00:28:30.000 And I'm sure that every concession that can be made will be made, as happened in the case with Devin Archer, one of Hunter's business partners.

00:28:39.000 It always happens with these people.

00:28:41.000 If you're connected, you are going to have every generous concession that the legal system can provide you.

00:28:50.000 And he will have the best lawyers that money can buy.

00:28:53.000 So we'll see, you know, whether criminal charges are, whether these are turned into civil charges, you know, if charges are brought at all.

00:29:01.000 But ultimately, as Hunter himself said with great relief in his memoir, Beautiful Things, his father is president and he has pardon power.

00:29:11.000 So I think what they'll try and do, what Joe will try and do with his people, will be to just extend the legal process as long as possible into his term, as they have done with Devon Archer.

00:29:24.000 Just keep kicking the can down the road so that he can finally pardon people like his son and his former partners that he needs to at the very end of his presidency.

00:29:34.000 And he will get away with that because you know the way the media is and they always, he always presses on this empathy, this grief issue, because he has had terrible tragedies in his life.

00:29:48.000 He'll mention Bill Biden and it will be the end of that.

00:29:50.000 So yeah.

00:29:50.000 Exactly.

00:29:51.000 And that's always useful.

00:29:52.000 He's used that in his entire career.

00:29:55.000 I don't think he would be president today if he hadn't been able to use those tragedies.

00:30:00.000 I'm not saying they weren't tragedies and that he doesn't deserve sympathy, but not to the extent where it excuses corruption and real bad behavior that now has an impact on America's national security.

00:30:13.000 Laptop from Hell.

00:30:14.000 Thank you so much for being with us.

00:30:16.000 Everyone, go pick up a copy right now.

00:30:18.000 Laptop from Hell with Miranda Devine.

00:30:20.000 Thank you so much for joining us.

00:30:21.000 We really appreciate it.

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00:30:23.000 Thank you.

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00:31:44.000 So now we're going to get into a piece of tape here.

00:31:47.000 So Senator Ben Sasse was on a news channel talking about the Ukraine-Russian situation.

00:31:53.000 I have a lot of respect for Ben Sasse, even though I think he's been really unfairly nasty to Donald Trump, and that kind of fractured our relationship.

00:32:01.000 Used to speak at turning point USA events and just don't see things.

00:32:05.000 It wasn't just because of the Trump thing.

00:32:06.000 It was just kind of a more general kind of conservative movement deal.

00:32:10.000 But I have a lot of respect.

00:32:11.000 I think he's a smart person, but I think he's totally wrong about this Ukrainian situation.

00:32:15.000 We're going to walk through exactly why.

00:32:18.000 So there is a belief system that American values and what happened in 1776 can be teleported, can be outsourced to any place on the planet at any time.

00:32:35.000 Now, that is a tempting thing to believe, and that is at the root of neoliberalism.

00:32:41.000 At the root of neoliberalism is a belief that, okay, 1776 was about all people being equal.

00:32:49.000 Therefore, all nations at any time can embrace these values.

00:32:54.000 Now, the Declaration says that.

00:32:57.000 It says when in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands that have tied them to the other, deriving the powers, the separate but equal stations of powers of the laws of nature and nature is God.

00:33:08.000 So that is a universal declaration.

00:33:11.000 However, we now know, and the founders knew too, not every country is prepared or ready for a free society, self-government, and individual liberty.

00:33:25.000 Not every country has the ground that is fertile for a self-government structure.

00:33:32.000 So let's play Ben Sasse, and then we'll build this out a little bit further.

00:33:35.000 He was on Fox News Sunday, play cut 52.

00:33:38.000 Government doesn't give us our rights.

00:33:40.000 Raw rights come to us from God, and government is just a shared tool to secure them.

00:33:45.000 And you see that spirit, that American Philadelphia 1787 spirit in Zelensky right now.

00:33:52.000 Okay, so he's right.

00:33:53.000 Government does not give us our rights.

00:33:54.000 That's right.

00:33:55.000 They come to us from God.

00:33:56.000 So I don't know what spirit he thinks he's seeing, that 1787 spirit.

00:34:01.000 So he's not even going to 1776.

00:34:02.000 He's going to the Constitutional Convention, which was the all-summer-long convention chaired by George Washington, who said very little of the heated debate.

00:34:10.000 They sent Jefferson to France because they knew he'd mess it all up, of the heated debates to get, and that's a joke, of course.

00:34:15.000 Jefferson just happened to be a very strong believer in small government and awfully passionate about this stuff.

00:34:21.000 The point is that, so Sas is saying, I'm seeing the same sort of passion in Zelensky.

00:34:26.000 I'm sorry, Zelensky just banned 11 political parties in Ukraine.

00:34:31.000 Zelensky is partnering with Nazis in southeastern Ukraine. 0.63

00:34:35.000 What exactly does that remind you of when it comes to the spirit of 1787 and the American founding?

00:34:44.000 Just because people are saying they want freedom does not mean they actually are truly willing to embrace it, and they even know what that means.

00:34:53.000 An example of this, of course, is Liberia.

00:34:55.000 We've talked about Liberia before.

00:34:57.000 Liberia literally was supposed to be the land of liberty.

00:35:02.000 It was founded by former black slaves from the United States and the Caribbean.

00:35:06.000 The flag of Liberia is almost identical to the flag of America.

00:35:10.000 In fact, the Constitution of Liberia was modeled after the Constitution of the United States.

00:35:15.000 Why is it that if Liberia founded in 1847 has not been known as the land of liberty and freedom, why is it that the country that is between Cote d'Ivoire, Guinea, and Sierra Leone, why is that not mentioned as one of the freest countries in the world?

00:35:32.000 The reason is because Liberia did not go through the multiple hundreds of years, the prerequisites, the building of the foundational base that eventually landed on that one decade that changed all of humanity in 1776 to 1791, from the Declaration to the final ratification of Bill of Rights.

00:35:53.000 What was that couple hundred years?

00:35:55.000 It was the tough work of the reflection on the human being, the tough work of spreading biblical values across all 13 colonies, the tough work of 13 self-government experiments of learning how to actually get this done when finally the moment came forward where they were ready for self-government.

00:36:19.000 You can't just parachute in with a copy of the Constitution to Ukraine, which knows nothing but oligarchic rule and corruption and top-down secular government.

00:36:31.000 Say, hey, you want freedom?

00:36:33.000 We just got to put the Constitution in place.

00:36:35.000 Like, whoa, they haven't done the 200 years that we believe is actually necessary for that sort of a free society to flourish and to grow.

00:36:42.000 And it doesn't have to be 200 years.

00:36:43.000 It can be 20 years.

00:36:44.000 The point is that none of the foundation has been laid here.

00:36:47.000 In fact, when we think we can impose that, it actually goes worse and you get a dictator that then takes over.

00:36:55.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

00:36:57.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com and support our show at charliekirk.com/slash support.

00:37:02.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:37:03.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - March 23, 2022

Ukrainian Nazis, SCOTUS on Pedophiles, and Hunter's Laptop from Hell with Miranda Devine

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