The Charlie Kirk Show - UNFILTERED: A Long-Form Debate with a Deranged Pro-Abortion Activist

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:00.000 All right.

00:00:00.000 Today on the Charlie Kirk show, it's my debate brought to you by Turning Point USA, Debate Night with Charlie Kirk with Ben Gleib.

00:00:07.000 So I want to talk a little bit about this before the episode starts.

00:00:11.000 This conversation was a circus.

00:00:13.000 It was quite honestly a clown show.

00:00:16.000 I was generally very happy with how I conducted myself. 0.61

00:00:20.000 I got a little heated here and there.

00:00:22.000 This guy considers himself to be a comedian.

00:00:25.000 You can make the judge whether or not he's funny or not.

00:00:28.000 But I just want to say this because some people, as we post these debates, we get some angry emails about kind of the content that's being discussed.

00:00:36.000 This is a vulgar discussion.

00:00:37.000 I'm not going to sugarcoat it.

00:00:39.000 If you have children or you have grandchildren that you maybe listen to the podcast with, maybe this is not the right episode.

00:00:45.000 We talk about abortion.

00:00:46.000 It gets too graphic for my liking, and I try to retreat it from there.

00:00:51.000 But I did want to post this episode for a couple of reasons because this is a real viewpoint that is held by half the country.

00:00:57.000 That as the sarcastic, venomous, very, let's say, dishonest approach that Ben has in this debate, albeit something that I think is going to be quite honestly unpleasant for a lot of you to listen to at times, it's a real thing and it must be confronted.

00:01:19.000 And so I just want to make sure all of you know what you're getting into.

00:01:21.000 Maybe it's not for you.

00:01:22.000 Maybe you just go to another episode and download another episode.

00:01:24.000 But if you're like, hey, I want to see a pro-life, pro-abortion debate on filtered, this is for you. 0.99

00:01:30.000 He's a nasty person. 0.98

00:01:31.000 I don't say that lightly. 0.98

00:01:32.000 I actually did not say that against Dr. Rashad Ritchie.

00:01:35.000 And I'm not going to say that with our upcoming debate with Dr. Burgess.

00:01:39.000 I think it was a rather pleasant conversation.

00:01:41.000 This gets into the gutter.

00:01:42.000 I refuse to take the bait many of the times.

00:01:44.000 But again, if you're someone who just kind of wants to not get irritated, not get your blood rate up, you know, your heart rate up, then let's just say you've been warned.

00:01:55.000 So I don't want to get some sort of email and say, Charlie, he was so terrible.

00:01:57.000 It's all this.

00:01:58.000 I can't believe you posted it.

00:01:59.000 This is your trigger warning, everybody.

00:02:01.000 But I think it's useful.

00:02:03.000 I do want all of you to listen to it if you can bear it, because I want you to know what we're up against.

00:02:08.000 I want you to hear him tell people that he thinks they should get abortion and how to get abortions quickly and on demand. 0.50

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00:03:07.000 There's a couple points of this debate where the sophist, which is what he is, tries to trip me up about the definition of a birthday and kind of what a human life is and tries to, I think, be very unfairly and dishonestly focused on linguistics and on kind of just again, sophist type arguments.

00:03:29.000 If you know what a sophistication is someone that tries to make things sound smart in ancient Greece, but in reality was a communicator of deception and of treachery.

00:03:37.000 But I will say this: that there were a couple of responses I wish I would have handled a little bit differently.

00:03:41.000 Generally, I was very happy with how I kept myself more in check and self-control.

00:03:47.000 I asked good questions because you tried to provoke me many different times.

00:03:51.000 This conversation is one that you've been the final warning.

00:03:56.000 It's a mess.

00:03:57.000 Okay.

00:03:59.000 When you guys email me your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com, just you'll you'll understand exactly what I mean by that.

00:04:05.000 I am interested, though, in the general sentiments and the thoughts behind it.

00:04:09.000 I learned a lot.

00:04:11.000 It is an overstatement, but I learned a fair amount about how to better communicate some of these ideas.

00:04:15.000 I hope that all of you as well will get that perception.

00:04:19.000 This is the most important issue, whether or not we are disturbed by a million babies every single year being aborted.

00:04:25.000 My opponent thinks it's no big deal.

00:04:28.000 And that's where that conversation starts.

00:04:30.000 All right.

00:04:31.000 Buckle up because you're going to need it.

00:04:33.000 Turbulence is underway momentarily, everybody.

00:04:37.000 Here we go.

00:04:38.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:04:40.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.

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00:04:48.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:04:50.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:04:51.000 His spirit, his love of this country.

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00:04:59.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:05:08.000 That's why we are here.

00:05:11.000 Hey, everybody.

00:05:12.000 Welcome to this episode of Debate Night.

00:05:14.000 With us tonight is Ben Galieb.

00:05:15.000 I say that right?

00:05:16.000 Perfect.

00:05:17.000 Kirk, right?

00:05:17.000 Extraordinaire.

00:05:18.000 That's what they call me.

00:05:19.000 We are honored to be here tonight to be discussing all sorts of things, but specifically, we're going to be talking about abortion, the way it will work.

00:05:27.000 It's very structured, and then we will enter into the laissez-faire and regulated portion of the conversation.

00:05:33.000 Feel free to interrupt each other and have all sorts of fun.

00:05:36.000 And so it'll be two minutes, two minutes, and then a series of one-minute back and forth.

00:05:39.000 And then off to the races.

00:05:41.000 Opening statement will go to our guest.

00:05:43.000 And we have here today on the set two people who thankfully were not aborted.

00:05:47.000 So Ben, first statement for you.

00:05:49.000 When we're done with this debate, maybe you'll be questioning that statement.

00:05:53.000 About yourself.

00:05:53.000 About you?

00:05:54.000 We'll see.

00:05:56.000 Thanks for having me.

00:05:57.000 Thank you.

00:05:59.000 So this is obviously a pretty contentious issue, one that affects women around the country, of course.

00:06:04.000 So I think it's best that two men are debating it.

00:06:08.000 And it is, actually, though.

00:06:09.000 I say that sarcastically, but really it is because we all need to be able to support each other.

00:06:13.000 And so I wanted to, I prepared some things to say at the beginning, just food for thought to go.

00:06:19.000 I'd like to start by quoting a woman who wrote a very interesting article in the Washington Post.

00:06:24.000 Very funny article, too.

00:06:25.000 She said about some of the hypocrisies of this position being anti-choice.

00:06:29.000 We believe in freedom.

00:06:30.000 Your fist must stop where my nose starts.

00:06:32.000 Except this one minor thing is obviously not a big deal, where you have to use your body to build another body from whole cloth, give it eyeballs and a circulatory system, undergo months and months of creeping bodily horror as your torso becomes unrecognizable to you.

00:06:46.000 Familiar smells become off-putting.

00:06:47.000 And then at the end of this process, you have a human being for whom you have to arrange a life.

00:06:51.000 Compare that minor, barely palpable discomfort with the shocking, invasive horror of placing a strip of fabric across your nose when entering a business for three to five minutes.

00:07:00.000 I shudder just imagining it.

00:07:02.000 You can cough and breathe on whoever you like.

00:07:03.000 It's a God-given right.

00:07:05.000 Nothing worse as a human than to have to conceal your exquisite nose.

00:07:09.000 We don't believe in restricting anyone from living as he chooses, unless, of course, it's tangible, minor things like who wants to vote or get abortions or both of which are going to disproportionately, of course, impact people of color.

00:07:20.000 But does that matter?

00:07:21.000 I guess not.

00:07:21.000 After all, it's your body, and of course, we view your autonomy as sacred and worthy of protection.

00:07:25.000 It's just that if your body contains a uterus, it does not technically belong to you.

00:07:30.000 It's more of a vacant lot for us to regulate as we see fit and your neighbors to be encouraged to sue about.

00:07:36.000 So no matter our race, our gender, or our zip code, that's the end of the quote.

00:07:40.000 This is me now.

00:07:41.000 I believe we all should be able to come to a consensus that we can decide for ourselves whether and when to have children.

00:07:48.000 But a handful of politicians today are trying to pass laws that destroy our freedoms, undermine our rights, and endanger our futures.

00:07:54.000 They make decisions that force people to struggle, to simply make ends meet or care for their families and then shame and blame those that they forced that into.

00:08:01.000 And while they're busy fighting for our most basic rights, they hand the money that they take from our health care and our schools to our kids' futures and their corporate donors.

00:08:08.000 We are in a democracy, not a theocracy, and it's nuts to allow government to think they can have a say in the choices a woman makes for her own body. 1.00

00:08:16.000 And the last most important point is that by doing this, women will die. 1.00

00:08:22.000 Young girls will die. 1.00

00:08:24.000 Without safe places to go for abortions, they will still find a way to get. 0.97

00:08:29.000 Our daughters, friends, nieces, teachers, mothers will die.

00:08:33.000 Would you rather your daughter die if you have a daughter one day or make a safe choice for her own life or decide to start a family for her own life? 1.00

00:08:40.000 And if you choose, die, how is that pro-life?

00:08:44.000 Okay, so I think the entire kind of framing of this debate first needs to start with the type of privilege that we have.

00:08:44.000 Thank you.

00:08:51.000 Both you and I have age privilege and size privilege to say that we believe that certain life should not exist.

00:08:59.000 There's been 62 million abortions in America since the ruling of Roe versus Wade. 0.99

00:09:04.000 So if you go to just a seventh grade textbook of what is a living being or what is a being that has some sort of life, it will say that it's distinct and that it's whole.

00:09:14.000 What makes a human life so incredibly unique and so magical is you do not need to encourage or tell that life to grow.

00:09:21.000 It's not like a Corvette on an assembly line, is that that human life will develop naturally.

00:09:26.000 This really kind of goes down to the question of when does human life begin?

00:09:29.000 When does personhood begin?

00:09:31.000 And the science of embryology says very clearly that life, human life, begins at conception.

00:09:38.000 Now, speaking non-scientifically as a moral argument, we have overseen the slaughter of our fellow citizens over the last couple decades.

00:09:46.000 This is a genocide.

00:09:47.000 Dare I say a holocaust of our citizens that has occurred since Roe versus Wade?

00:09:52.000 You talked about women.

00:09:53.000 Well, just statistically, half of the 62 million abortions since Roe versus Wade are 31 million women that never had the chance to live.

00:10:02.000 We have a luxury and a privilege that we are able to say we are old enough and developed enough.

00:10:07.000 We're larger and we're older to say to another life right now that's in the womb that you have no right to exist. 0.92

00:10:13.000 You talked briefly about the racial part of it.

00:10:15.000 900 black babies a day are aborted every single day in this country.

00:10:20.000 We need to have a moral question here of when does life begin? 0.87

00:10:24.000 What is a human being?

00:10:25.000 If it is not your DNA, it is not your choice.

00:10:29.000 And we as a human, as a society of human beings, the least we can do is ask ourselves the question, are those people, are those persons in the womb worthy of protection?

00:10:39.000 I would contend absolutely.

00:10:41.000 It is the most important moral question I think we as Americans and we in a free society can debate and discuss that all life is worthy of protection.

00:10:49.000 Loves it.

00:10:50.000 So lots of problems with what you said.

00:10:52.000 Let me start picking them apart first.

00:10:54.000 As a Jewish person, I take large offense to comparing a life that never got to exist to a Holocaust which killed my family who did get to exist and were snuffed out.

00:11:04.000 To say those are even comparable is deeply offensive, but let's put that aside for a second.

00:11:09.000 You said that the definition by your own words and by the science of embryology is that life is distinct.

00:11:14.000 But an embryo is not distinct of the mother whom it is literally attached to and dependent on it for all nutrients and all survival.

00:11:21.000 If it can survive in this world, if it can take a breath and go on to live, that is a distinct being and you've got a great argument there.

00:11:29.000 But without that, you simply do not.

00:11:31.000 And you also contradicted yourself when you said that it is life and then a minute later you said never got the chance to live.

00:11:38.000 A life had a chance to live if it's a life, right?

00:11:40.000 So in fact, it did not have a chance to live because it's not a life yet until it is born.

00:11:47.000 Boo yah, baby. 0.98

00:11:48.000 Okay, so you understand how dumb that argument is? 0.99

00:11:50.000 I don't understand. 1.00

00:11:51.000 That's like saying you never had a chance to live if I killed you right now.

00:11:54.000 What I'm saying is that the baby was alive and it got murdered in the womb, therefore it never had a chance to live past the point of it being alive.

00:12:01.000 What I meant is that it never had a chance to live to a five-year-old birthday or a 15-year-old birthday or a 30-year-old birthday.

00:12:07.000 Again, using age and size privilege that you have and I have, you say, you know what, we should be able to quash and quelch the 62 million human beings that never had a chance to live outside of the womb. 1.00

00:12:20.000 Here's the basic syllogism that I bring as a pro-life advocate: it is always wrong to intentionally kill a human life.

00:12:27.000 Abortion is intentionally killing a human life.

00:12:30.000 Therefore, abortion is morally wrong.

00:12:34.000 And so you're going to be making an argument about choice, but some choices are wrong.

00:12:38.000 For example, it's wrong to kill human beings.

00:12:42.000 So you're going to have to make an argument to the audience why either A, this is not a human life, or B, why the mother has the right to murder her own child.

00:12:52.000 Sure.

00:12:53.000 I'm going to choose the former of those options.

00:12:56.000 Why I do not believe it is a life.

00:12:59.000 And it's easy to make that point.

00:13:01.000 But let me first say this.

00:13:04.000 You are saying that it is a life that got snuffed out.

00:13:09.000 And I don't mean to pull my age privilege on you, but I'm a little older than you.

00:13:14.000 How old are you, Charlie?

00:13:15.000 27.

00:13:16.000 27.

00:13:17.000 How come you didn't say 28?

00:13:19.000 Because I'll be 28 in two weeks.

00:13:21.000 But if life begins at conception, you're 10 months older than that and you actually are 28.

00:13:25.000 Why don't you say 28?

00:13:26.000 Because that's the way we categorize birthdays.

00:13:28.000 That's the way you celebrate your life.

00:13:30.000 It's the way we acknowledge life.

00:13:31.000 That's the way we cut the birthday begins when you are born.

00:13:35.000 So I'll let you know.

00:13:36.000 If life begins at conception, I'll lay that.

00:13:38.000 If life begins at conception, you would count your life from the moment that egg was fertilized.

00:13:42.000 When you were the size of a poppy seed, not even a poppy seed, but after a couple days of poppy seed size life that you're celebrating that great birthday.

00:13:50.000 But you don't because you don't actually believe that it is a human life.

00:13:55.000 You do believe the, if you believe the science, it's quite obvious that it is the germ of a life.

00:14:01.000 It's the beginning of a life.

00:14:02.000 It's the beginning of a gestation of a life.

00:14:04.000 If you're building a cake, baking a cake, you take the ingredients.

00:14:08.000 When that cake is done, you got a cake.

00:14:10.000 No one is saying it's a cake when it's ingredients that will become after baking a cake.

00:14:14.000 And if you throw that cake away because it doesn't come out properly into ever being a cake, you don't say, man, you just threw away a perfectly good cake.

00:14:22.000 No, you say, that cake never became a cake.

00:14:25.000 So I'm just curious, and we'll just kind of go into the on your cake guy, perfect.

00:14:31.000 Please take a look back and forth.

00:14:32.000 So when does human life begin?

00:14:34.000 I think the human life begins at birth.

00:14:36.000 At birth?

00:14:36.000 Yes.

00:14:37.000 So it's okay to terminate a child right up to nine months, full development, full birth, full breath, feeling, all of it.

00:14:44.000 No, I don't personally believe that.

00:14:46.000 So when is a human life worthy of constitutional and legal protection?

00:14:46.000 No.

00:14:49.000 I believe that a human life becomes one that we should do our damnedest to protect when it is viable outside of the womb.

00:14:56.000 That's my belief.

00:14:57.000 So what do you mean, viable?

00:14:59.000 When it can survive without the mother being connected to the body, you're three or four years old.

00:15:02.000 If you can hunt and gather on yourself, a two-year-old is totally dependent on the mother. 0.70

00:15:06.000 Should we be able to kill two-year-olds? 0.85

00:15:07.000 You should have seen me as a two-year-old. 0.99

00:15:09.000 I was very crafty.

00:15:10.000 So how about 18 months?

00:15:11.000 Listen, some kids can survive on their own. 0.97

00:15:14.000 So your moral position is to be able to kill six-month-olds because they have to breastfeed for their mother. 0.98

00:15:18.000 No, no, no.

00:15:19.000 I'm simply saying when something is attached and dependent on the nutrients of life on the ability.

00:15:26.000 No, a six-month-old.

00:15:28.000 A six-month-old is going to go hunt and gather and grow their own crops.

00:15:31.000 Nobody could probably crawl around and find some crumbs on the ground.

00:15:34.000 We live in a society that's not.

00:15:35.000 That's a degree of dependency of crumbs created by somebody else.

00:15:37.000 You understand?

00:15:38.000 Everything's dependent.

00:15:39.000 Hunting and gathering is dependent on our being animals.

00:15:41.000 A 15-year-old or a 20-year-old has the reason, the capacity, the maturity to be able to not be dependent on other human beings.

00:15:48.000 I don't know if you're seeing any 15.

00:15:51.000 So, your moral position is that if you are dependent on another, you should be able to be terminated.

00:15:59.000 No.

00:16:00.000 Okay, so what is your moral position?

00:16:02.000 Like, when does human life begin?

00:16:03.000 That should be protected by the law.

00:16:05.000 I think human life should be protected by the law when it is born.

00:16:10.000 Because that is the only marker we all agree on.

00:16:12.000 You yourself said.

00:16:14.000 Well, I'll tell you why, because you yourself have said that, and it was a really well-made point that you made, and I'll quote you back to you.

00:16:20.000 You said we have a universal standard for when death is, but we do not have the universal standard for when life begins, and we should.

00:16:29.000 And then you go on to say, and I believe life begins at conception.

00:16:32.000 I do, yes.

00:16:33.000 But you then put your own personal belief at the end of that great quote.

00:16:37.000 We do currently have a universal standard that we all agree when life begins, at least, and that's from birth.

00:16:44.000 Some believe it begins earlier, but not all.

00:16:46.000 If you want the universal story, I'm totally on board with that.

00:16:50.000 So I'm actually 28 years old.

00:16:52.000 Thank you.

00:16:52.000 If you want the, someone changes Wikipedia.

00:16:55.000 If you want the universal standard, you so seek.

00:16:58.000 The universal standard we currently have is from birth.

00:17:01.000 So my very important point to you here is: if you want to work harder to get that universal standard to change and to convince the populace to get on board with redefining that, do so with argument, do so with fair, good faith argument to get the population on board and change the position of the country.

00:17:23.000 Great.

00:17:24.000 I'm all for you trying to do that.

00:17:25.000 But until you do, the universal standard of when life begins is when somebody is born.

00:17:32.000 Life doesn't exist without being alive in life, in the world.

00:17:37.000 Life is life.

00:17:38.000 Until you're in the world and have a consciousness and the ability to think.

00:17:43.000 Life begins when life begins.

00:17:45.000 That's the current definition of it.

00:17:47.000 And definition of words.

00:17:49.000 The science of embryology is when deoxyribonucleic acid is formed.

00:17:52.000 So I just want to make sure we're clear.

00:17:53.000 That's the science of embryology, not of lifeology.

00:17:56.000 That's when an embryo begins.

00:17:57.000 You made up a word called liphology.

00:17:59.000 And you made up a science of embryology as though that's the same thing.

00:18:01.000 I did not make a science of embryology.

00:18:03.000 It is a well-studied and well-connected.

00:18:05.000 Well, you're jumping and leaping that that is what life is.

00:18:08.000 So do you think when DNA is formed, it's okay just to eliminate it?

00:18:12.000 It will never be formed again.

00:18:13.000 It is distinct.

00:18:14.000 It is unique.

00:18:15.000 It is whole.

00:18:16.000 The science of embryology says it starts at conception.

00:18:18.000 Well, that's a great, that's the science.

00:18:20.000 You're 62 million human beings that were never able to live outside of the womb. 1.00

00:18:24.000 And you're a genocidal murderer every time you masturbate, Charlie. 1.00

00:18:27.000 Why? 1.00

00:18:28.000 Because there is DNA in sperm.

00:18:31.000 No, but that's a sound.

00:18:31.000 And every head of sperm has DNA.

00:18:33.000 First of all.

00:18:34.000 And it is a distinct thing that's swimming around.

00:18:37.000 Never fertilized with an egg.

00:18:38.000 Hundreds of millions.

00:18:39.000 Never fertilized with an egg.

00:18:41.000 And flushing down the toilet. 0.99

00:18:42.000 And never fertilized with an egg.

00:18:42.000 Why?

00:18:44.000 So let me ask you.

00:18:44.000 So why is that your line?

00:18:46.000 If you're, because that's what I said, when a unique DNA is formed with an egg, that's what the science of embryology says.

00:18:52.000 And the science of science also says. 0.98

00:18:56.000 You understand how dumb you sound, right? 0.98

00:18:57.000 The science of spermology also says that sperm is alive. 1.00

00:19:03.000 Do you deny sperm is alive?

00:19:05.000 Do I deny that sperm is alive? 0.99

00:19:07.000 That is my own sperm. 0.99

00:19:08.000 And your fixation with sperm is like creepy and kind of weird. 0.99

00:19:11.000 Your fixation with women's wounds is creepy and kind of weird. 0.98

00:19:14.000 No, actually.

00:19:15.000 My moral position to protect the unborn is one that I wish you had.

00:19:21.000 I wish you had that same dedication to protect the born children in this world.

00:19:24.000 Well, I do.

00:19:25.000 So let me ask you a question.

00:19:26.000 You don't have six weeks.

00:19:28.000 The child's eyes and eyelids, nose, and mouth and tongue have formed.

00:19:31.000 Terminated.

00:19:32.000 That's okay?

00:19:33.000 Child's eyelids, nose, mouth, and tongue.

00:19:36.000 Terminate?

00:19:36.000 Well, they're not real human ones.

00:19:38.000 They're developing ones.

00:19:39.000 Got it.

00:19:39.000 So electrical brain activity can be detected at six or seven weeks and by the end of the eighth week.

00:19:43.000 Terminate?

00:19:44.000 Not a human.

00:19:46.000 It's not a human.

00:19:47.000 By 10 weeks after conception, a child can make bodily movements.

00:19:47.000 Got it.

00:19:47.000 Okay.

00:19:51.000 It's half a centimeter big at this point and point 2.5 of an ounce.

00:19:55.000 I'm taller than you, so I should be able to terminate you?

00:19:57.000 No, because we're talking about scale.

00:19:58.000 How tall are you?

00:19:59.000 I'm 6'4, much taller than you.

00:20:00.000 6'1.

00:20:01.000 So your moral argument is taller people should be able to terminate smaller people.

00:20:04.000 Got it?

00:20:05.000 It's small, therefore you could terminate it.

00:20:05.000 That's what you said.

00:20:07.000 No, you're not.

00:20:07.000 As early as 12 weeks.

00:20:10.000 And certainly by 20 weeks, an unborn child can feel pain.

00:20:13.000 Is it okay to terminate a child that can feel pain?

00:20:15.000 Pain, that is a disputed scientific fact because pain without the ability to understand any sort of context is not pain as humans know it.

00:20:23.000 They register what is happening, but it is not pain as though, oh man, this hurts.

00:20:28.000 So if something can't register the pain, it's okay to torture something.

00:20:31.000 Correct, if it can't register the pain?

00:20:34.000 So if someone is on a ventilator, someone is in comatose and you torture them, that's morally acceptable.

00:20:39.000 It cannot register the pain, then it's not registering the pain.

00:20:43.000 Let me ask you a question.

00:20:44.000 Are you okay with abortions for people that found out they are pregnant with Down syndrome children?

00:20:50.000 I wouldn't do it.

00:20:52.000 Are you okay with it?

00:20:52.000 Is it morally okay for a society to embrace that?

00:20:56.000 I haven't thought about that.

00:20:58.000 I think a lot of people with Down syndrome live beautiful lives.

00:21:01.000 So are they worthy of protection?

00:21:04.000 That's not a fair thing to ask.

00:21:06.000 Why?

00:21:07.000 Because I'm saying that fetuses with Down syndrome or fetuses without Down syndrome are not children.

00:21:13.000 So you're going to a specific within the whole, but I'm arguing that all of it is not a human life yet.

00:21:19.000 So you're going specific.

00:21:20.000 So let me ask you a question.

00:21:21.000 What species is it on the animal kingdom?

00:21:24.000 If it's not a human life, what kind of life is it?

00:21:26.000 It's not a life yet.

00:21:27.000 Well, you just said it was a human life.

00:21:28.000 Well, I did not say it was a human life.

00:21:30.000 So it's not alive?

00:21:31.000 It is not.

00:21:32.000 So something with eyelids, nose, mouth, and a heartbeat is not alive?

00:21:35.000 What is it?

00:21:36.000 So a sperm with DNA and a head that can swim and find an egg is not alive?

00:21:36.000 Is it dead?

00:21:40.000 Is it dead?

00:21:41.000 Well, it's not been fertilized with an egg with unique female.

00:21:44.000 It is almost dead.

00:21:44.000 Because according to science of embryology, that sperm, when it is firm with an egg, creates a new being of deoxoribonucleic acid that is formed, that is magical, unique, and distinct only to that moment, therefore worthy of conception, and begins the process of the development of a full human being, where the sperm independent of that does not have that.

00:22:02.000 Again, your fixation with sperm, kind of weird.

00:22:03.000 My sperm is magical and unique and worthy of the conception you said too. 0.84

00:22:10.000 I got good sperm, and that's just a public service announcement for people that want to know that.

00:22:15.000 You can't say my obsession with the first building block of life is weird, but your obsession with six hours later or three days later when it hits an egg is not weird.

00:22:26.000 But you admit there's something magical that happens once that sperm and egg meet, that a human life begins, that process begins, that a new DNA is formed, where two beings become one.

00:22:34.000 Don't you admit that?

00:22:36.000 I think it's as magical as the incredible thing that we are given sex drives that compel us to ejaculate and that compel women to drop an egg to have the potential to receive life.

00:22:47.000 That is as equally magical.

00:22:49.000 But you don't contend those are lives.

00:22:51.000 You don't think someone having a period of time.

00:22:52.000 Let me ask you a question.

00:22:53.000 You don't think sperm ejaculation is. 0.97

00:22:56.000 So since you're so bizarrely fascinated with sperm, you're bizarrely fascinated with women's bodies and regulating them even though you're not a woman. 0.74

00:23:03.000 I am very fascinated in saving babies' lives.

00:23:06.000 I will not stop advocating for that.

00:23:07.000 So let me ask you a question.

00:23:08.000 Since you're fixated on sperm, a sperm absent meeting an egg does what?

00:23:14.000 It dies.

00:23:16.000 Once a sperm meets an egg, uninterrupted from abortion interference, does what?

00:23:21.000 Oftentimes it will fertilize it, obviously not always.

00:23:24.000 And live.

00:23:25.000 No, and begin.

00:23:26.000 And grow.

00:23:27.000 And continue.

00:23:28.000 Continue the building block.

00:23:28.000 I even begin.

00:23:30.000 Develop.

00:23:30.000 It continues.

00:23:31.000 And live a full life.

00:23:32.000 So your argument of your kind of creepy fixation with sperm, which is that the sperm, absent the fertilization of the egg.

00:23:32.000 That's not true.

00:23:39.000 I want to keep saying creepy fixation on sperm because you have a creepy fixation with controlling women's bodies. 1.00

00:23:46.000 So stop that phrase in life and grows.

00:23:49.000 If I'm making a story, if I'm a story.

00:23:51.000 You're the one that wants to interfere and destroy.

00:23:55.000 I'm not hearing this point because you're able to grow. 1.00

00:23:57.000 If you don't make a scientific argument, then don't make a stupid point over and over again about part of that scientific argument. 0.99

00:24:04.000 I'm just clarifying the lack of wisdom in your argument. 0.99

00:24:08.000 Where do you say sperm independent of meeting an egg does what?

00:24:13.000 It dies if it does.

00:24:14.000 So once the sperm meets the egg, uninterfered by an abortionist, it does what?

00:24:18.000 It dies.

00:24:19.000 And in the middle of the fifth.

00:24:20.000 No, it lives.

00:24:20.000 A sperm meeting an egg.

00:24:23.000 Uninterfered with an abortionist that does not.

00:24:25.000 Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

00:24:26.000 But when it does develop, it eventually becomes you when it's born.

00:24:31.000 Or me.

00:24:32.000 When it's born.

00:24:32.000 Or our fellow human beings.

00:24:34.000 And when it doesn't, when it leads to a miscarriage or an ectopic pregnancy, it doesn't lead to those things.

00:24:38.000 And then abortions can, or not even abortions, DNC procedures can help clear that out so that a woman can go on to have a family in the future. 1.00

00:24:46.000 Let me ask you a question.

00:24:47.000 You're so against abortion and protecting lives. 0.93

00:24:50.000 No, I'm very pro-baby.

00:24:51.000 But you are okay with abortion if it saves a woman's life. 0.59

00:24:55.000 Why?

00:24:56.000 So actually, I'll clarify that.

00:24:58.000 That's so exceedingly rare.

00:25:00.000 And in fact, over 1,000 OBGYNs, nurses, and neontologists sign a declaration stating, quote, as experienced practitioners and researchers in gynecology, we affirm that direct abortion, the purposeful destruction of an unborn child, is almost never medically necessary to save the life of a woman.

00:25:21.000 So in the extraordinarily rare case, which is so hard to find and pinpoint, the only way to...

00:25:28.000 Well, it's not so hard to find.

00:25:29.000 It happens, and there's many.

00:25:30.000 Very rare.

00:25:30.000 Well, these 1,000 OBGYNs say no.

00:25:33.000 That's great.

00:25:33.000 And there's a lot that say yes, and it happens, and you're aware it happens.

00:25:36.000 So try not to use a distracting statistic.

00:25:39.000 You're okay with it in those rare instances.

00:25:41.000 Why?

00:25:42.000 Because there could be other children in the future that's my whole argument.

00:25:46.000 However, if a woman's not ready to have a child now, there could be other children in the future when they are ready to raise them to life. 0.86

00:25:53.000 I will correct my own previous statement by saying I don't even think it's ever medically necessary because these 1,000 OBGYNs and nurses have said you can have cesarean sections.

00:26:02.000 That's not to say there might not be necessary medical treatments, but to use abortion as the medical necessary treatment, I think is almost never the case whatsoever.

00:26:12.000 Case closed.

00:26:13.000 No, you can't say case closed.

00:26:15.000 I'm going to trust the 1,000 OBGYNs.

00:26:17.000 Who say it's hard to pinpoint and it's rare, but...

00:26:19.000 Do you not trust the 1,000 OBGYNs?

00:26:21.000 I don't know who they are.

00:26:22.000 There's millions of OBGYNs out there. 0.98

00:26:24.000 The 1,000 say you're wrong.

00:26:25.000 And the 100 million others say that I'm right.

00:26:28.000 Let me ask you a question.

00:26:29.000 You retweet Planned Parenthood quite a lot.

00:26:31.000 Sure. 0.98

00:26:32.000 What do you have to say about the Planned Parenthood founder, Margaret Sanger, who's a eugenicist, who says, we don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the black population?

00:26:42.000 Does that bother that Planned Parenthood is a eugenicist organization?

00:26:44.000 I've never heard that quote.

00:26:46.000 How about this one?

00:26:46.000 I doubt the authenticity of that quote, but if it's true, I obviously condemn that quote.

00:26:50.000 How about this one from Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger?

00:26:54.000 Human beings, our goal is to eliminate human beings who never should have been born at all. 0.95

00:26:58.000 Or birth control is nothing more or less weeding out the unfit.

00:27:01.000 Are you comfortable associating yourself with eugenicists?

00:27:04.000 I'm not comfortable associating myself with eugenicists or that quote, if that answers your question.

00:27:08.000 Can I ask you a question?

00:27:09.000 Sure.

00:27:09.000 Awesome.

00:27:10.000 Because I got plenty for you.

00:27:11.000 Awesome.

00:27:11.000 How many children do you have?

00:27:13.000 None yet.

00:27:14.000 Why?

00:27:15.000 Well, I got married in May, so it's a work in progress.

00:27:18.000 So you're working on having kids soon?

00:27:20.000 Why haven't you adopted yet?

00:27:21.000 Are you going to adopt kids that are in need of help?

00:27:23.000 So I do kind of live a busy life.

00:27:26.000 But I would love to adopt.

00:27:27.000 Actually, it's on the table.

00:27:28.000 So Charlie's going to adopt soon exercise.

00:27:28.000 Okay, awesome.

00:27:30.000 At eight weeks, we have tails.

00:27:30.000 Essentially.

00:27:33.000 At eight weeks, an embryo has tails.

00:27:36.000 Do humans have tails, Charlie?

00:27:38.000 I'm sorry, what?

00:27:39.000 Serious question.

00:27:40.000 Do human beings have tails?

00:27:42.000 I'm not exactly sure the essence of a tail.

00:27:43.000 Do human beings have tails?

00:27:45.000 Do you have a tail?

00:27:46.000 You know, I have never met anyone with a tail.

00:27:49.000 I'm not exactly sure the other thing.

00:27:50.000 Exactly.

00:27:51.000 But fetuses have tails kind of proves that at that phase, they are not a human being.

00:27:55.000 They got tails.

00:27:56.000 Humans don't have tails.

00:27:57.000 We're not dinosaurs.

00:27:58.000 Let me even show you a photo, if I may, okay?

00:28:00.000 Do you truly, in your heart of hearts, truly believe that this is a human being?

00:28:06.000 Without a doubt.

00:28:07.000 Without a doubt?

00:28:08.000 This is a dolphin fetus.

00:28:08.000 Yes.

00:28:10.000 So let me say.

00:28:11.000 Without a doubt, a dolphin fetus is a human being.

00:28:14.000 This is a human fetus.

00:28:16.000 Look how similar they look, but quite different.

00:28:19.000 Dolphin.

00:28:20.000 You just confirmed that a dolphin in life, do you confuse dolphins for human babies often?

00:28:25.000 So let me...

00:28:25.000 You go to SeaWorld and you're like, someone's got human babies in that aquarium.

00:28:29.000 Get the human babies out of the aquarium. 1.00

00:28:32.000 Well, you labeled it as a human fetus.

00:28:33.000 No, I did not. 0.98

00:28:34.000 Dishonest.

00:28:35.000 I didn't label it as anything. 0.95

00:28:35.000 No, I did not. 0.95

00:28:37.000 Let me put a human fetus on that. 1.00

00:28:38.000 Let me ask you a question, though.

00:28:39.000 So let's hold up those two pictures again.

00:28:41.000 Sure.

00:28:41.000 Is there a moral difference between the dolphin and the baby?

00:28:45.000 At this stage, no.

00:28:46.000 No, no, no.

00:28:47.000 You just confirm that. 0.86

00:28:48.000 Now, let me ask you: a human and a dolphin, is it okay to kill one and not the other?

00:28:51.000 Is there a difference morally between a human and a dolphin? 0.51

00:28:53.000 I don't like to kill dolphins, but of course. 0.99

00:28:55.000 Do you like to kill babies?

00:28:56.000 No, I don't.

00:28:57.000 And when they're living, I certainly am not in favor of killing either, but obviously I protect a human over.

00:29:02.000 Hold up the human one.

00:29:03.000 Is that not alive?

00:29:03.000 Sure.

00:29:05.000 No, it is not alive.

00:29:06.000 Well, then, well, how is it able to have a heartbeat?

00:29:08.000 It's attached to an alive being called a woman. 0.96

00:29:10.000 Wait, so it doesn't have a heartbeat, does it?

00:29:12.000 No, it doesn't have a true heartbeat.

00:29:14.000 At some point, it does.

00:29:14.000 Oh, yes, it does.

00:29:15.000 22 days after conception, the child's heart begins to circulate.

00:29:18.000 Not alive?

00:29:18.000 That is also disputed science and damage.

00:29:20.000 After six weeks, the child's eyes and eyelids, nose and mouth, and tongue of form.

00:29:23.000 Not alive?

00:29:24.000 It is not a heartbeat at 22 weeks.

00:29:26.000 So, wait, hold on.

00:29:27.000 It's either dead or alive.

00:29:27.000 Which one is it?

00:29:28.000 That is not true.

00:29:29.000 It is becoming...

00:29:30.000 Pick one.

00:29:30.000 It's dead currently.

00:29:32.000 Oh, it's dead.

00:29:32.000 It's not alive.

00:29:33.000 It is not alive.

00:29:33.000 So you were once dead?

00:29:35.000 You defined life as distinct.

00:29:36.000 It's not distinct.

00:29:36.000 It's attached to somebody feeding it.

00:29:38.000 Distinct means on its own.

00:29:39.000 No, is it not attached to its mother?

00:29:41.000 That's a different, that's autonomous.

00:29:43.000 Distinct is the same.

00:29:44.000 Distinct means it has its own DNA, its own composition.

00:29:48.000 That's the definition of the word distinct, is its own DNA and composition?

00:29:51.000 Well, that's the so it's it is unique.

00:29:56.000 So is sperm, and so is eggs, and so is everything.

00:29:59.000 Dolphins are unique. 0.92

00:30:00.000 That doesn't mean you can or can't kill them when you put them in aquariums. 0.70

00:30:03.000 There's a million abortions every single year. 1.00

00:30:05.000 Do you think that's too many or not enough? 0.98

00:30:08.000 I think it's whatever the mother decides with her own family is the right move for their life, and it's none of our damn business. 0.97

00:30:14.000 So if a mother murders an 18-month-old, is that okay? 0.98

00:30:17.000 No, it's not a human being.

00:30:18.000 It's an autonomous body.

00:30:19.000 So it becomes a human being the moment it comes out of the womb. 0.76

00:30:22.000 Right.

00:30:23.000 So what do you say about the youngest pregnancy ever done?

00:30:26.000 22 weeks and one day.

00:30:28.000 That baby is now one year old.

00:30:30.000 Was that not a human being when it was delivered by C-section?

00:30:32.000 I don't follow.

00:30:33.000 Say that again. 0.71

00:30:34.000 So last year, the youngest ever human being on record was delivered at 22 weeks and one day.

00:30:39.000 That baby is now one year old since the time of that birth.

00:30:42.000 This is now a living baby, you're correct.

00:30:45.000 Okay, so as soon as it comes out of the womb, it is living.

00:30:48.000 That is correct.

00:30:49.000 If it's alive when it comes out of the womb, we don't know, right?

00:30:51.000 A lot of babies die at childbirth.

00:30:53.000 That's why you don't know in a lot of time.

00:30:54.000 Not a lot of babies die at childbirth.

00:30:55.000 Yeah, a lot.

00:30:56.000 Very, very low.

00:30:57.000 Can someone Google that for me, please?

00:30:58.000 Can you please Google how many babies die at childbirth every year?

00:31:01.000 We have some of the lowest childbirth mortality rates in the world, thankfully. 0.86

00:31:04.000 No, we do not.

00:31:05.000 We have some of the highest.

00:31:06.000 We have some of the highest.

00:31:07.000 United States infant mortality rate places us 16th among the nations of the world.

00:31:12.000 How many nations are there?

00:31:12.000 Thousands of infants die each year because of inadequate medical care that you often vote against and don't support.

00:31:17.000 I'm not elected official.

00:31:19.000 But you support things and you have the influence of millions.

00:31:21.000 You don't have a vote?

00:31:22.000 Are you suppressing your own vote now too, or just others?

00:31:25.000 Are you saying that I vote in Congress?

00:31:26.000 I'm saying that you vote in elections and you decide who goes to Congress, do you not?

00:31:30.000 And do you not support bills or not support bills based on your massive city?

00:31:33.000 I know you're getting really worked up.

00:31:35.000 So let me ask you.

00:31:35.000 No, I'm not.

00:31:36.000 Also, we rank 33 out of 36 in the Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development Nations, OECD Nations, ranked by U.S. News and World Report for prenatal and early childhood care that you often do not support.

00:31:48.000 In fact, recently, when Biden suggested just $225 billion to support children more in the early years of their lives, you went against it and said, oh, capping it, while theoretically, you paid empty lip service to it and said, well, theoretically, it's a good idea.

00:32:03.000 $225 billion is so expensive, and it caps the amount they can spend on their children at 7% of income a year.

00:32:10.000 And by doing that, there's no incentives then for them to seek cost-effective care when you had no problem with Donald Trump spending $8 trillion, giving trillions and trillions of tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires and raising the national debt to $27 trillion.

00:32:28.000 Can I be aware of that?

00:32:29.000 No issue with that.

00:32:29.000 But helping the kids that you care about so much, the babies you care about so much, that you want to force women to give birth to them, and then they can go f ⁇ themselves once they're born because you don't give it.

00:32:40.000 And you vote against it constantly.

00:32:42.000 Bravo.

00:32:43.000 What a hill to die on.

00:32:44.000 I have no idea what the heck you're talking about. 0.70

00:32:45.000 You don't?

00:32:46.000 Well, you've went on the record about it.

00:32:47.000 That's pretty incredible.

00:32:48.000 You don't know what I'm talking about.

00:32:48.000 I'll find one of your notes.

00:32:50.000 I got a lot of cards.

00:32:51.000 Let's talk about the Holocaust that's happening in our country. 0.95

00:32:54.000 Say a Holocaust again. 0.96

00:32:55.000 You're going to have a problem with me because, again, my family died in that.

00:32:58.000 Let's dive right into that.

00:32:59.000 So there's a Holocaust happening in our country of a million abortions a year of our fellow countrymen.

00:33:04.000 That's your offensive word.

00:33:06.000 So the Holocaust that's occurring administered by Planned Parenthood has a disproportionate impact in the black community.

00:33:12.000 In Texas, 70% of all abortions are minorities and 37% of all abortions are blacks.

00:33:17.000 Why are you okay with that?

00:33:18.000 Why are you okay with dictating what the black community should do? 0.99

00:33:21.000 Now Charlie Kirk should decide what the black community does? 1.00

00:33:24.000 Actually, I want more black people. 0.98

00:33:25.000 Do you want less black people? 1.00

00:33:26.000 You should tell them how many babies they should have? 1.00

00:33:28.000 I want to protect all black babies. 0.98

00:33:30.000 Except with funding. 0.90

00:33:31.000 So here's the right question.

00:33:32.000 Except with helping them have easier lives. 0.98

00:33:33.000 If you want less black children, I want more black children. 1.00

00:33:36.000 That would be a racist position. 1.00

00:33:39.000 Oh, no, you're the racist position.

00:33:40.000 I want the exact number of black children that the black communities decide that they want and black mothers decide they want to give birth to, and not force them to do so, and especially not force them to do so and then not provide any of the funding necessary to lift them up out of oftentimes poverty situations.

00:33:58.000 Oftentimes you are forcing people to not only then give birth to babies they don't want, but then you're sliding them further into poverty.

00:34:04.000 It costs about a million dollars over the course of a lifetime of a child to raise a child and it's easy for you to say you're a trust fund baby who was born rich.

00:34:11.000 As easy for you to say when you've never had to struggle for money.

00:34:15.000 These people are born in difficult circumstances.

00:34:17.000 They get pregnant accidentally or at the hands of an abuser, the hands of a rapist, the hands of of a mistake when they were 16 maybe it's their third child and their husband and them had sex and accidentally got pregnant and you're forcing them to have it and sticking them further and further in poverty, with no effort and no funding to help lift them out of that.

00:34:36.000 But you care so much about babies that you think are dolphins, so what percentage of abortions are rape that are attributed to rape. 0.97

00:34:44.000 Do you not think rape exists?

00:34:45.000 What percentage of abortions are attributed to rape? 1.00

00:34:45.000 I do. 1.00

00:34:47.000 I don't know, but Any of them is too many.

00:34:50.000 Any pregnancy due to abortion.

00:34:51.000 What percentage of abortions are attributable to rape? 0.98

00:34:54.000 I don't know the answer to that.

00:34:55.000 What is the number one reason given for abortion in America? 0.97

00:35:00.000 Did you know that one in four is they are not ready to have a child?

00:35:07.000 And that can't do it.

00:35:08.000 So you're okay.

00:35:09.000 I just want to make sure the moral position.

00:35:10.000 Not a child, unless it's born, even though it can feel, even though it can breathe, even though it has a heartbeat.

00:35:15.000 Can't feel it.

00:35:16.000 It can't breathe.

00:35:17.000 No, we already went through this, all right?

00:35:18.000 So feel and can't breathe.

00:35:19.000 You're entitled to your own opinion, not to your own facts.

00:35:22.000 Correct.

00:35:23.000 You too.

00:35:23.000 You are taking the anti-science position.

00:35:26.000 No, no, no.

00:35:26.000 That's from as early as 12 weeks, and certainly by 20 weeks, an unborn child can feel pain.

00:35:31.000 And by 10 weeks after conception, the child can make bodily movements.

00:35:34.000 Electrical brain activity could be tected to six or seven weeks.

00:35:38.000 I've never denied they are not growing into becoming human beings.

00:35:41.000 But what percentage of abortions do you think are attributable when people say, I got it because I was raped?

00:35:46.000 What percentage?

00:35:46.000 I bet it's a pretty low percentage.

00:35:48.000 Yes, less than 1%.

00:35:49.000 Yes, but that's one out of 100.

00:35:51.000 So most are abortions out of convenience.

00:35:53.000 But you, convenience is a word you use to frame it as somebody being irresponsible.

00:35:58.000 Not being ready to bring a child into this world.

00:36:00.000 It's not convenience.

00:36:01.000 It's smart family planning that you are against.

00:36:04.000 You're against planning parenthood.

00:36:06.000 You're for forced parenthood. 0.96

00:36:07.000 You're not for.

00:36:08.000 Let me ask you a question.

00:36:09.000 You're not for life.

00:36:10.000 You're for forced birth. 0.94

00:36:11.000 The rape question aside. 0.97

00:36:13.000 Wait, why the rape question aside?

00:36:14.000 Because it's such a small percentage.

00:36:15.000 No, but the legislation, you keep taking these slices that you don't want to deal with and throwing them away.

00:36:21.000 Since you did some images, let me ask you a question.

00:36:22.000 Wait, wait, hold on.

00:36:22.000 One second.

00:36:23.000 Let me ask you something.

00:36:23.000 One second.

00:36:24.000 So when a child is born and or when a child is going to be born and risked the life of the mother, you say that's so rare it doesn't count.

00:36:31.000 When someone is raped, that's so rare it doesn't count.

00:36:34.000 One in a hundred times, though, what happens?

00:36:35.000 Well, it certainly counts.

00:36:38.000 Why do you not push for legislation that has exceptions for rape and incest?

00:36:41.000 Why?

00:36:42.000 Well, because it's just equal human life, and I'll prove it to you.

00:36:44.000 Equal human life?

00:36:45.000 So which one of these?

00:36:46.000 I have two pictures.

00:36:47.000 Yep. 0.95

00:36:47.000 One of these babies was conceived in rape. 0.95

00:36:49.000 One of these babies was conceived in a consensual relationship.

00:36:52.000 Which one's which?

00:36:53.000 You know why?

00:36:54.000 Obviously, I don't know the answer to that.

00:36:56.000 Because they're both human beings.

00:36:57.000 No, because I wasn't involved in the traumatic life experience of the mother that one of them resulted in rape and one didn't.

00:37:03.000 So one of these babies.

00:37:04.000 Every time you speak about abortion, you always skip over the mother who gives life to that baby and raises it just to be a bad person.

00:37:12.000 Which one of these babies was formed in a consensual relationship or not?

00:37:16.000 Let me make sure I understand the question here.

00:37:18.000 Let me make sure I understand the question.

00:37:19.000 Your question is: which one of these babies was born in a consensual relationship?

00:37:23.000 Which one was born over the incredibly traumatic, mind-numbing, horrible, horrific experience of having to carry to term the child of your rapist, of your daughter, of your daughter watching at home's rapist that he wants to force anybody have a pro-birth forced birth opinion will make you carry to term and be the mother of a rapist?

00:37:44.000 You can't tell the difference. 0.98

00:37:45.000 Be cast out of your family.

00:37:46.000 They're both human beings that deserve to be able to live.

00:37:49.000 And you skip over the care and the trauma of the mother.

00:37:52.000 Let's talk about that.

00:37:53.000 You do not care about the mother.

00:37:54.000 I do care about the mother.

00:37:55.000 I care about the mother so much.

00:37:57.000 Zero percent in care.

00:37:58.000 That I want to talk about this.

00:38:00.000 So let's talk about adoption.

00:38:02.000 How many families are...

00:38:04.000 How many families do you think are waiting for children right now to adopt in America?

00:38:09.000 Carol, you're aware that there are far more ballpark.

00:38:11.000 There are far more babies in foster homes and, I mean, in the foster program and in orphanages and take a guess.

00:38:18.000 There's not enough.

00:38:19.000 Guess.

00:38:20.000 There's not enough?

00:38:21.000 Guess what?

00:38:21.000 Guess.

00:38:22.000 How many families are waiting to adopt right now in America on waiting lists?

00:38:27.000 I don't know the answer.

00:38:28.000 Just guess a little bit.

00:38:30.000 A million.

00:38:30.000 Two million.

00:38:31.000 Okay.

00:38:32.000 And how many.

00:38:33.000 How many abortions are there every single year? 1.00

00:38:36.000 Your point is what?

00:38:37.000 Your point is what?

00:38:37.000 Yes.

00:38:38.000 Just take a guess.

00:38:39.000 Your point is what?

00:38:40.000 Let's say it's exactly two million.

00:38:41.000 I bet it's a good idea.

00:38:41.000 Two million.

00:38:42.000 There's twice as many families waiting to adopt and terminate children.

00:38:46.000 You're aware there are also children who are in the adoptive care system that cannot go.

00:38:51.000 Are you aware of that?

00:38:52.000 Yeah, why do you think they're in the adoptive care system in the foster care system?

00:38:55.000 Because a lot of people are forced through restrictive abortion laws that people don't red tape. 0.73

00:39:01.000 So we should make it easier to adopt.

00:39:03.000 Do you agree?

00:39:04.000 Sure.

00:39:04.000 Okay, so we agree.

00:39:05.000 So therefore, if we get rid of abortion, we have enough families waiting to adopt, and every child would be taken care of. 0.80

00:39:10.000 And yet again, we have solved the abortion issue, everybody.

00:39:14.000 And Ben agrees.

00:39:15.000 No, because enough families to adopt.

00:39:17.000 No.

00:39:18.000 All the abortions would go away, and everyone gets to be able to do that. 0.84

00:39:21.000 Because look how well Ben would have to go back to obsessing about sperm.

00:39:25.000 Look how well you, again, skipped right over the mother. 0.86

00:39:28.000 You refuse to talk about the mother or the experience of giving birth because you don't know what it's like.

00:39:33.000 Nor do I. Let's take you skipped right over it.

00:39:35.000 Let's go to the bathroom. 1.00

00:39:35.000 So your argument is: let's make everyone who's raped force them to have a baby, go through that trauma, and then the trauma of giving up the baby for adoption just so people can have a baby that don't currently have one. 1.00

00:39:47.000 How about also not traumatizing women and respecting the autonomy of women?

00:39:51.000 Why is it that you are in favor of limited government in every way, as small of government as possible, except in the uterus of women? 1.00

00:39:59.000 So if it's not yours, you're against government overreach, but not government interreach.

00:40:03.000 You like government reaching in a uterus and deciding for a woman what it does. 1.00

00:40:08.000 Hilariously, that's you because you want to put the abortionist in the uterus. 1.00

00:40:11.000 No, I want to force.

00:40:13.000 I want to respect women's choices to make the decision best for them and their lives.

00:40:17.000 What I want is to make it illegal for abortionists and the abortion industry to continue to massacre and create a genocide and Holocaust. 0.92

00:40:25.000 Killing all the dolphins. 0.98

00:40:26.000 The dolphin Holocaust must end. 1.00

00:40:28.000 You're right.

00:40:29.000 We have to stop.

00:40:30.000 That's Charlie Kirk's point, everybody. 0.99

00:40:32.000 See, he's obsessed with women's uteruses and he wants to kill as many dolphins as possible. 0.80

00:40:37.000 So, Ben, let me ask you a question. 0.99

00:40:38.000 He's frankly obsessed with women's bodies, telling them what they can and can't do, making them give birth, even if they're raped.

00:40:43.000 So, Ben, let me ask you a question. 0.99

00:40:44.000 He wants to kill them, and he wants to make sure that dolphins are that we stop the dolphin genocide.

00:40:50.000 Let me ask you a question: Is abortion ever wrong?

00:40:52.000 Is abortion ever wrong? 0.97

00:40:55.000 You need to be more specific.

00:40:56.000 I don't know what that means.

00:40:57.000 Is abortion ever wrong? 0.97

00:40:58.000 I don't know what you mean by that.

00:40:59.000 Is it ever wrong to conduct an abortion or facilitate an abortion?

00:41:04.000 I think, in my, again, personal opinion, if it is towards the end of a term and a child is viable, a potential child is viable on its own outside of the womb, and it's not for some serious abnormality that would make the child very likely to not survive long in life or to risk the life of the mother, I think that would be a pretty wrong thing to do.

00:41:25.000 That's my opinion.

00:41:26.000 Why shouldn't the laws reflect that then?

00:41:28.000 I'm okay personally with the laws reflecting that.

00:41:31.000 I'm okay personally.

00:41:31.000 You what?

00:41:34.000 I'm okay personally, but again, I'm not a woman, so I'm speaking kind of out of turn here.

00:41:39.000 But I personally don't love the idea of a late-term abortion.

00:41:44.000 But you're against abortion anyway.

00:41:47.000 That's correct.

00:41:47.000 Yeah, but I'm just, that's actually news.

00:41:49.000 I didn't realize that was your position.

00:41:51.000 That's my personal opinion.

00:41:52.000 But then, like, at what week would you draw that?

00:41:54.000 Because then.

00:41:55.000 Like I said, when a child is likely to be viable outside of the womb, the third trimester then.

00:42:03.000 For me personally, I'm personally okay with that.

00:42:05.000 But there are instances, like I said, when that needs to be done.

00:42:09.000 And did you know, since you love throwing stats at me, that less than 1% of cases is it a third trimester abortion.

00:42:16.000 And those cases are almost always when it is the life of the mother or serious abnormalities that the child would not survive.

00:42:23.000 So if it's less than 10%, which case I'm not against.

00:42:25.000 If it's less than 1%, then we should be able to abolish it.

00:42:28.000 And now the Texas law, which you have been a big critic of, is at six weeks.

00:42:33.000 Six weeks, which we've already stated the facts, at six weeks, the child's eyes, eyelids, nose, mouth, and tongue are formed.

00:42:40.000 That sounds like a human being, not a dolphin.

00:42:41.000 Oh, the shape of them.

00:42:42.000 They're still webbed.

00:42:44.000 They're still sitting there.

00:42:45.000 I don't know how boring your life has been.

00:42:47.000 But life is not this.

00:42:49.000 Sitting in jail, floating.

00:42:52.000 That's not life.

00:42:53.000 So let me ask you a question.

00:42:53.000 Life's out in the world.

00:42:54.000 Life's out in the world.

00:42:55.000 Over 500,000 people.

00:42:56.000 Maybe this is why you go home and you just chill at home like, ah.

00:42:59.000 Over 500,000 people are currently hooked up to a machine in comatose.

00:43:03.000 According to you, being a webbed person or being somewhat non-human is okay.

00:43:09.000 Should we just pull the plug of all of them?

00:43:10.000 No, because developed living human beings are different than ones by your own terms are not living.

00:43:15.000 Let me quote you yet again.

00:43:16.000 You said on your YouTube, quote, Planned Parenthood conducts 300,000 abortions a year.

00:43:22.000 Yes.

00:43:22.000 That is 300,000 murders.

00:43:24.000 And then the second part of the sentence, that is 300,000 lives that never had a chance to exist.

00:43:31.000 By your own words.

00:43:32.000 You know what I mean by that.

00:43:33.000 No, I don't.

00:43:34.000 By your own words, you said embryos and fetuses do not exist.

00:43:38.000 It's your words.

00:43:39.000 They never had a chance to exist.

00:43:41.000 That is a sloppy dishonest.

00:43:43.000 It's a perfect argument. 0.57

00:43:44.000 It's a low IQ argument.

00:43:45.000 You think to be able to fully exist like you and I have the phase of that.

00:43:49.000 No, that's not true, sir.

00:43:51.000 You know that's our like.

00:43:52.000 You know that's sloppy.

00:43:53.000 So let me ask you a question.

00:43:54.000 I'm speaking of the phase that you think is the same as a dolphin.

00:43:57.000 Let me ask you a question.

00:43:58.000 And you are saying that I can't tell if it's a dolphin or not, but I must protect it.

00:44:03.000 But then you also say it fetus does not exist, never has a chance to exist.

00:44:06.000 It has not lived yet.

00:44:07.000 You're 27, not 28.

00:44:08.000 You said it yourself.

00:44:09.000 Let me continue on.

00:44:10.000 So for your 28th birthday, I will take you to SeaWorld and we can look at the dolphins and be sad about it.

00:44:15.000 I'm happy to have another nine months onto my birthday, which is a really bizarre argument.

00:44:20.000 But amazing argument.

00:44:22.000 Let me know.

00:44:23.000 Maybe you're changing your birthday for it.

00:44:25.000 Let's say you were right.

00:44:26.000 Thank you.

00:44:27.000 So for a second, we just decided it.

00:44:29.000 For a second.

00:44:29.000 I'm right.

00:44:30.000 Do you ever doubt that 62 million abortions is something that we should be worried about?

00:44:35.000 Something that's wrong with that all the, let's just use the racial thing, which you tend to always try to incite.

00:44:40.000 All the black babies that were never born, all the Hispanic babies that were never born. 1.00

00:44:43.000 Does that ever bother you?

00:44:44.000 Does it ever bother you that you still, despite me making this point already, are trying to dictate for these communities of color what they should do with their families.

00:44:53.000 And then once you force them to have this baby, you don't help them at all. 0.98

00:44:57.000 Okay, let's talk.

00:44:58.000 We'll talk about both of them.

00:44:59.000 Number one, I will, with every ounce of my being, intervene to dictate that babies are allowed to live.

00:45:07.000 You seem indifferent to that.

00:45:09.000 And you can compare babies and dolphins.

00:45:12.000 That's fine.

00:45:12.000 That's okay.

00:45:13.000 You compared them.

00:45:15.000 You said they were 100% human life.

00:45:17.000 You dishonestly put up both pictures.

00:45:18.000 I proved a point perfectly.

00:45:20.000 I would expect the same from a B-rate comedy.

00:45:23.000 You did the same kind.

00:45:24.000 You're a B-rate commentator.

00:45:26.000 You did the same exact thing in your photo.

00:45:28.000 Let me continue by saying, which you couldn't tell me.

00:45:30.000 You did the same thing with your photos.

00:45:32.000 He couldn't tell the difference between a human being conceived in rape or in a consensual fetus.

00:45:36.000 That proves my point better, Charlie.

00:45:37.000 Let me ask you a question.

00:45:38.000 I couldn't tell the difference because exactly fetuses are not distinct special beings until they are born.

00:45:44.000 Let me ask you that.

00:45:45.000 That's why you can't tell the difference between rape fetishes and consensual fetuses or dolphin fetuses or human fetuses.

00:45:51.000 You prove my point twice.

00:45:51.000 If it's not your DNA.

00:45:53.000 If it's not your DNA, why should it be your choice?

00:45:55.000 Exactly.

00:45:56.000 It's not your DNA.

00:45:57.000 So why are you choosing for these women?

00:45:59.000 It's not the DNA of the baby, Ben.

00:46:01.000 No, it is half the DNA of the mother and half of the father.

00:46:04.000 So should the father have a say?

00:46:06.000 I think the father should be able to consult with the mother if the mother should choose it.

00:46:09.000 Should the father override an abortion? 0.83

00:46:11.000 You just said, Charlie, of course not.

00:46:12.000 He should not be able to override it.

00:46:14.000 It's the mother's choice. 0.97

00:46:14.000 She's considering the baby. 0.97

00:46:16.000 It's half his DNA, so he should be consulted.

00:46:18.000 That would be nice.

00:46:20.000 You know, in most states, it's illegal.

00:46:21.000 It's not legal to do it.

00:46:22.000 It's not legal to consult a father, of course.

00:46:24.000 Of course, you don't have to consult it by law.

00:46:26.000 It's fine because it's the woman killing yourself. 1.00

00:46:27.000 But if it's not your DNA.

00:46:28.000 You just said, if it's not your DNA, you shouldn't have a say.

00:46:31.000 That's right.

00:46:32.000 So the mother and the father, it's not their DNA anymore.

00:46:34.000 So why do you have a say in babies of which you have none of the DNA?

00:46:37.000 Well, it's like saying murder laws and theft laws, rape laws, and arson laws.

00:46:42.000 Because those are to protect human beings.

00:46:44.000 Which begins in your opinion.

00:46:47.000 In the opinion of embryology.

00:46:50.000 You happen to be an evangelical.

00:46:51.000 You happen to be a Catholic, correct?

00:46:53.000 Not even close.

00:46:54.000 You're not a Catholic?

00:46:55.000 You have a card for that?

00:46:55.000 You're an evangelical Christian.

00:46:57.000 Evangelical Christian.

00:46:57.000 What are you?

00:46:58.000 Evangelical Christian.

00:46:59.000 Okay.

00:46:59.000 And you're a B-rate comic, right?

00:47:01.000 And you're a C-rate political hack.

00:47:03.000 How did your Netflix?

00:47:04.000 We can throw names all we like.

00:47:05.000 It was trending on Netflix for two years.

00:47:07.000 Have you ever been on Netflix?

00:47:08.000 You should go for it.

00:47:09.000 It's one of the top platforms out there in the world.

00:47:11.000 I heard they took it off.

00:47:12.000 Yeah, they did.

00:47:13.000 After two years, they took it off.

00:47:14.000 Great point.

00:47:14.000 You ever been on Netflix?

00:47:15.000 I wouldn't want to.

00:47:16.000 I also got a show dropping on Disney Plus students, so please check that out.

00:47:18.000 My goodness, they couldn't pay me to be on that awful platform.

00:47:20.000 Yeah, I would not have you on a family-friendly platform.

00:47:23.000 With your obsession with women's uteruses, they probably strongly make sure that doesn't happen. 1.00

00:47:23.000 That's for sure. 1.00

00:47:28.000 I want to see as many babies live as possible.

00:47:30.000 Your religious beliefs inform your opinions on abortion.

00:47:33.000 Yes.

00:47:34.000 But mine is not.

00:47:35.000 I haven't made one religious argument this entire time.

00:47:37.000 Sure, but all I'm saying is you keep saying that life begins at conception.

00:47:41.000 That's an idea you have informed by your religious beliefs then.

00:47:45.000 Judaism says life begins with the first breath.

00:47:47.000 No, it does not.

00:47:48.000 Yes, it does.

00:47:49.000 That is a misinterpretation.

00:47:50.000 Judaism.

00:47:51.000 Judaism gives preference to the woman, not the unborn fetus.

00:47:55.000 Do you want to talk about the Torah?

00:47:56.000 And that's my religion.

00:47:57.000 So what does it say in Jeremiah?

00:47:58.000 I knew you before what?

00:47:59.000 I have no idea.

00:48:00.000 You were in the womb.

00:48:01.000 What does it say in Leviticus about unborn feminine?

00:48:03.000 Oh, wow.

00:48:04.000 Somebody wrote that I knew you before you're in the womb?

00:48:06.000 Yes, somebody called Jeremiah, minor character in the Bible.

00:48:09.000 The Bible's beautiful, but it's allegories.

00:48:11.000 So if you're going to take the specific words and say it's some kind of scientific book, it's not a scientific book.

00:48:17.000 It's a good moral guide.

00:48:18.000 It's not the word of God, bad.

00:48:19.000 In your opinion.

00:48:21.000 But you can't enforce your religious opinion on the world.

00:48:24.000 That's why we've got to say that I've been making secular arguments.

00:48:27.000 So I'm just asking, as someone who says you were offended by the Holocaust, where millions of Jews were killed, why are you seemingly indifferent with the millions of Americans that are being killed?

00:48:27.000 Sure.

00:48:37.000 Because they're not Americans. 0.99

00:48:38.000 You have to be born on U.S. soil to be an American. 0.99

00:48:40.000 Again, you prove my point.

00:48:41.000 Thank you.

00:48:42.000 Human beings.

00:48:43.000 The definition of an American is being born on U.S. soil.

00:48:46.000 Born.

00:48:47.000 Born or naturalized.

00:48:48.000 Let me ask you.

00:48:49.000 So no Americans are killed every year.

00:48:50.000 Let me ask you.

00:48:51.000 Thank you.

00:48:52.000 Another point.

00:48:53.000 The Black Panthers.

00:48:54.000 The Black Panthers said, which I disagree with, with the Black Panthers on a lot, but they said that abortion is a black genocide on the community.

00:49:03.000 Good for them.

00:49:04.000 Are they wrong?

00:49:06.000 Yeah, they're of course wrong.

00:49:08.000 Have been arguing this whole time.

00:49:09.000 It is not a genocide.

00:49:10.000 Genocides are genocides, and genocides take place of humans, not of undeveloped humans still developing fetuses that will become human beings.

00:49:18.000 What do you think are dolphins?

00:49:19.000 What species is a fetus on the animal kingdom hierarchy?

00:49:24.000 It is Homo sapien or no?

00:49:27.000 It is a part of a woman human being that is growing. 1.00

00:49:31.000 What species is a woman? 1.00

00:49:33.000 A woman is a human being. 0.99

00:49:35.000 A fetus.

00:49:36.000 What species is it?

00:49:37.000 It will become a Homo sapien.

00:49:38.000 So it's not current.

00:49:39.000 When does that species change?

00:49:41.000 At birth.

00:49:42.000 How hard is this concept?

00:49:43.000 We can't birth.

00:49:44.000 So you're making an argument that all of a sudden the baby goes through metamorphosis of a species change?

00:49:50.000 That's a unique and very bizarre argument.

00:49:51.000 Oh, no, I never said species change.

00:49:52.000 I said it's becoming a full, living, breathing animal.

00:49:56.000 So what is it before?

00:49:57.000 So what species is a fetus?

00:49:58.000 You've got to organize it somewhere on the animal kingdom.

00:50:00.000 Where is it?

00:50:01.000 Homo sapien.

00:50:01.000 What is it?

00:50:02.000 Oh, it's parts.

00:50:03.000 It's a human.

00:50:04.000 Homo sapien parts.

00:50:05.000 You just admitted it to human beings.

00:50:06.000 And what species is sperm?

00:50:08.000 What species is neither human nor anything?

00:50:11.000 What species is the egg for?

00:50:12.000 It is an undeveloped part of a male or undeveloped part of a human being.

00:50:16.000 And a fetus is an undeveloped baby.

00:50:18.000 No, it's very much developed.

00:50:19.000 No, it's not.

00:50:20.000 It's developing the whole time until birth.

00:50:22.000 That's the whole process.

00:50:23.000 New DNA is formed.

00:50:24.000 New DNA is formed the whole time up until birth.

00:50:27.000 No, no, no.

00:50:27.000 The new DNA is formed right at that moment.

00:50:29.000 No.

00:50:30.000 Yes, it is.

00:50:30.000 The new DNA, the sperm and egg meat, that's called conception.

00:50:34.000 And the science of embryology says that is a human life.

00:50:37.000 Each egg that drops unique DNA in that egg and your unique DNA in the millions and millions of sperm that goes and fertilizes that egg.

00:50:44.000 And we said, what happens to an unfertilized egg?

00:50:48.000 The sperm dies, and what happens to a pregnancy that doesn't go to term?

00:50:51.000 It dies.

00:50:51.000 Your point is what?

00:50:52.000 That it's a human life.

00:50:53.000 No.

00:50:53.000 That it develops.

00:50:54.000 We didn't prove that point.

00:50:55.000 Uninterrupted from an abortionist intervention.

00:50:57.000 No, there's miscarriages all the time.

00:50:59.000 Of course, that doesn't make it not alive.

00:51:01.000 So when a miscarriage happens, is that it's a matter of life.

00:51:02.000 That's a life to be grieved.

00:51:04.000 Is a woman a murder? 1.00

00:51:05.000 Of course not.

00:51:05.000 That happens through many different sorts.

00:51:07.000 There could be chemical pregnancies, other people.

00:51:08.000 Honest question.

00:51:11.000 Do you have any friends who've ever had an abortion?

00:51:13.000 Yes.

00:51:14.000 Okay.

00:51:15.000 And I grieve for them.

00:51:16.000 You grieve for them.

00:51:17.000 Because they were taken advantage of by people like you and the abortion industry. 0.90

00:51:20.000 Right.

00:51:21.000 They were taken advantage of.

00:51:21.000 That's how they feel.

00:51:22.000 That's how I feel.

00:51:23.000 Many of them, by the way, if you want to talk about the mental health cost that women have after an abortion, I'm happy to talk about how most women regret having abortions, about how they have psychological damage, social damage, spiritual damage. 0.62

00:51:34.000 That is what they're doing.

00:51:34.000 That they wish they could take it back.

00:51:35.000 That is a BS talking point.

00:51:37.000 No, it's actually a scientific fact.

00:51:39.000 That a woman is a scientific fact. 1.00

00:51:41.000 It's terrible for the women. 1.00

00:51:42.000 For the woman.

00:51:43.000 No, no.

00:51:43.000 Unsafe abortion is terrible.

00:51:45.000 Abortions are very, very safe and are very healthy to do.

00:51:48.000 And in fact, for any woman watching this that is being forced to not consider an abortion as an option if they are not ready to have a child because maybe their husband or their partner or their parents are not allowing them to do so, please know you can get pills online from other countries even if you have to.

00:52:03.000 That can do a safe, painless, easy at-home abortion, and you will not have to deal with any problems health-wise, and you're going to be all good.

00:52:11.000 So know that option is out there for you.

00:52:13.000 I got to be honest.

00:52:13.000 Please keep it in the middle of the day.

00:52:13.000 The ease of which advocating murder scares you.

00:52:16.000 You keep saying murder, and you also think fetuses are dolphins, so you don't ever take in a point that you already lost.

00:52:22.000 So just to say, your main argument you keep on resorting back to is you have two pictures of a human being and a dolphin that looks similar, and you think as if that's some sort of...

00:52:33.000 Your own words is that embryos haven't had a chance to exist yet, that fetuses haven't existed yet.

00:52:38.000 They existed the way you and I have.

00:52:39.000 Yes.

00:52:39.000 Right.

00:52:40.000 So now you are word shopping something I said on a radio show and YouTube channel.

00:52:45.000 Alive.

00:52:45.000 Your own YouTube channel.

00:52:47.000 Your own YouTube channel.

00:52:48.000 Let me ask you a question here, which is, what is a human being?

00:52:52.000 A living, breathing, out-in-the-world entity.

00:52:57.000 Let me ask you a question.

00:52:58.000 What is a mother? 1.00

00:53:00.000 The thing you keep not wanting to talk about?

00:53:02.000 A mother is a woman who has a sperm and egg fertilized and human life has begun.

00:53:08.000 And does she have autonomy to make her own decisions? 0.71

00:53:11.000 Do you think she's a full human being?

00:53:12.000 Well, this is where you stepped in it.

00:53:14.000 You think if it's not her DNA, it's not her choice.

00:53:17.000 That's a moral argument.

00:53:19.000 It is her DNA.

00:53:19.000 No, no, no.

00:53:20.000 It's not new.

00:53:21.000 It's not her body. 0.94

00:53:22.000 And it's her body.

00:53:23.000 It's not her DNA.

00:53:24.000 It's new DNA has formed of a new being.

00:53:27.000 And as soon as that new being is created, she does not have, in my opinion, the legal... 0.54

00:53:32.000 Well, she currently has the legal authority in some cases. 0.58

00:53:35.000 Legal authority and constitutionally protected authority.

00:53:37.000 You like the Constitution, don't you?

00:53:39.000 You care about it.

00:53:39.000 Where in the Constitution does it protect abortion?

00:53:41.000 The 14th Amendment and the Fifth Amendment.

00:53:43.000 What does the 14th Amendment say?

00:53:44.000 The 14th Amendment.

00:53:45.000 Where does it say the word abortion?

00:53:47.000 It protects your liberty.

00:53:48.000 Where does it say the word abortion?

00:53:49.000 And there cannot be infringements in the due process clause to your liberty and to your right to privacy.

00:53:55.000 And the government should not go into your body.

00:53:57.000 Why are there no rules or laws that affect a man's body?

00:54:01.000 What if we said, here's how we're going to reduce abortion, Charlie, is every man, including you, Charlie Kirk, newly married, has to get a vasectomy that can be reversed when you're ready to have a baby.

00:54:10.000 Would you be okay with it?

00:54:11.000 No, because it doesn't involve a certain human life.

00:54:12.000 Let me ask you a question.

00:54:13.000 What do you mean?

00:54:13.000 Oh, no, no, it does because you're saying men are not responsible at all for unwanted pregnancy.

00:54:17.000 So you believe women are not responsible at all for unwanted pregnancies. 1.00

00:54:22.000 Hold on, I don't even know what you're saying.

00:54:23.000 You're not understanding where you're talking about this argument.

00:54:25.000 Say that again?

00:54:25.000 Are men responsible at all for unwanted pregnancy, or is it just a woman's fault?

00:54:30.000 Yeah, probably, yes.

00:54:31.000 Right.

00:54:31.000 So then shouldn't the laws also enforce something on them then if this is such an epidemic that you call it genocide?

00:54:37.000 No, because you have a new being that is created.

00:54:39.000 So we should allow women to decide. 1.00

00:54:40.000 So women are just empty vessels then. 1.00

00:54:42.000 So men should not be involved in making decisions for women's health care, right? 0.98

00:54:45.000 Correct.

00:54:46.000 So then you think Roe versus Wade is a mistake because it was seven men that made that decision.

00:54:49.000 So we should repeal that.

00:54:50.000 It doesn't make any sense because otherwise.

00:54:51.000 Oh, men shouldn't dare make decisions for women. 1.00

00:54:54.000 No.

00:54:54.000 You advocate for the repealing of Roe versus Wade.

00:54:57.000 Let it be on the record, everybody.

00:54:59.000 Seven men made a decision that was terrible.

00:55:01.000 Seven empathetic men that don't have decisions for women. 0.98

00:55:06.000 We shouldn't.

00:55:06.000 Seven men, everybody.

00:55:07.000 Except IBCL Roe versus Wade.

00:55:09.000 The Supreme Court, who we have empowered to make such decisions.

00:55:11.000 I thought we should trust women.

00:55:13.000 You just scoffed at laws a second ago, but you seem to be a man of law typically.

00:55:16.000 And so typically the law that protects abortion.

00:55:19.000 What was it passed by Congress?

00:55:20.000 Okay, once again, let me finish my point.

00:55:21.000 I'm in the statute.

00:55:22.000 Let me finish my point here.

00:55:23.000 You see, never...

00:55:24.000 Unlike you, those seven men on the Supreme Court were able to have empathy and realize they don't know what a woman goes through to give birth and how it affects every part of their life going forward.

00:55:34.000 And so they realized that the government, something you're typically in favor of, small, limited government, not infringing on people's liberties or lives, should not infringe on...

00:55:46.000 That's not what they decided.

00:55:47.000 They decided in the Constitution.

00:55:51.000 Also, I can just say 2A, then Second Amendment is incorrectly.

00:55:54.000 We can do any regulation on that.

00:55:56.000 You guys say that all the time.

00:55:57.000 So the clerk for Justice Blackman said that Roe versus Wade is intellectually suspect, the most intellectually suspect constitutional decision of the modern era.

00:56:06.000 The clerk for Justice Blackmun who wrote the opinion for Roe versus Wade, the 7-2 decision that allowed 62 million of the people.

00:56:12.000 It's a dissenting opinion.

00:56:13.000 No, Justice Blackman was the majority opinion.

00:56:15.000 The clerk for Justice Blackmun who said it was one of the most intellectually suspect constitutional decisions of the modern era. 1.00

00:56:20.000 When did Congress at one time said I was an asshole? 0.99

00:56:23.000 That doesn't make it the law. 0.99

00:56:24.000 I mean, what kind of thing is that?

00:56:25.000 No, no.

00:56:26.000 Hold on a second.

00:56:26.000 Do we make law through Congress or through a decision of the courts?

00:56:30.000 Do we make law through Congress or a decision of the courts?

00:56:32.000 Yes.

00:56:33.000 Congress makes law, and the courts decide whether to uphold it or not.

00:56:36.000 When did Congress ever make a law on abortion?

00:56:39.000 Congress never made a law also outlawing abortion.

00:56:42.000 No, no, but when saw it did they ever legalize it?

00:56:44.000 Both ways, Charlie.

00:56:45.000 When did they ever make it not legal?

00:56:47.000 Actually, a lot of states had abortion bans. 0.96

00:56:49.000 Not the federal government.

00:56:50.000 So what does the 10th Amendment say then?

00:56:52.000 What does the 10th Amendment say?

00:56:53.000 It says that anything not delegated to Congress will be left to the states and the people.

00:56:56.000 But this was decided.

00:56:58.000 Yeah, by a group of unelected seven men who you say shouldn't make decisions.

00:57:03.000 Oh, okay.

00:57:04.000 We have to trust women.

00:57:05.000 I never said that.

00:57:05.000 That overturned have their own independent abortion bans.

00:57:10.000 You're obviously twisting my words very strongly there because obviously the Congress can make decisions for the country.

00:57:15.000 If there was such a mandate, what's the law that allows abortion?

00:57:18.000 Not Supreme Court decision.

00:57:19.000 What's the law?

00:57:20.000 Charlie, the Supreme Court decides on court cases, and they decide whether it is constitutional or not.

00:57:27.000 And backed up by the Constitution that you and I both hold so dear.

00:57:30.000 Right, so they codified our law.

00:57:34.000 It's a decision.

00:57:34.000 That's correct.

00:57:35.000 And you can't scoff at Supreme Court decisions and then say that then the Texas law is not a law.

00:57:41.000 No, we're going to hopefully overturn Roe v. Wade through the Texas law.

00:57:45.000 The point is that it was never passed by Congress.

00:57:48.000 Great luck trying to force women to have babies they don't want, aren't ready for. 1.00

00:57:52.000 Let me ask a question.

00:57:53.000 Babies from rape and babies from abuse. 0.89

00:57:55.000 Great hill to die on. 1.00

00:57:57.000 Then make sure you don't rape aside women. 1.00

00:57:59.000 One percent of all. 0.99

00:58:01.000 Rape aside women. 1.00

00:58:02.000 I'm sorry you have to listen to this. 0.99

00:58:03.000 Rape aside. 0.99

00:58:04.000 Statistically, it is less than 10.

00:58:06.000 1%.

00:58:07.000 So that's millions.

00:58:08.000 That's millions of people.

00:58:09.000 Let me ask you a question.

00:58:11.000 How do these other women get pregnant then? 1.00

00:58:13.000 Huh?

00:58:14.000 Let me explain sex to you? 0.97

00:58:16.000 No, I'm asking. 0.99

00:58:17.000 I can explain sex to you. 0.62

00:58:18.000 I know you're newly married.

00:58:19.000 So they made decisions.

00:58:21.000 Men and women love each other. 0.99

00:58:22.000 They made a decision, and then they want to terminate and murder that child.

00:58:25.000 Who made a decision?

00:58:26.000 Because the one million people having abortions every single year.

00:58:30.000 So why all of a sudden should we?

00:58:31.000 No, they are accidents oftentimes.

00:58:33.000 They're not decisions.

00:58:34.000 With terminating human lives.

00:58:35.000 They're not decisions.

00:58:37.000 Because they had a consensual relationship.

00:58:39.000 God, I hope for you.

00:58:40.000 25%. 0.98

00:58:41.000 If you don't accidentally impregnate your wife, that would be really hypocritical. 0.80

00:58:44.000 25% of all abortions in this country are done out of economic convenience.

00:58:48.000 Do you think that's okay? 1.00

00:58:49.000 Economic convenience is such a stupid, backwards, low IQ phrase for you to use. 0.99

00:58:55.000 Economic convenience, what you actually mean is they cannot possibly afford the million dollars it will take to raise a child that you can afford because you were born into privilege and they weren't, but you're so privileged you also want to force them to have a baby and then vote against legislation. 0.99

00:59:10.000 What's the average social welfare benefits for somebody annually with a child?

00:59:15.000 What's the number of it?

00:59:16.000 What's the annual benefit?

00:59:17.000 I don't know.

00:59:17.000 How do you tell?

00:59:18.000 $55,000 a year.

00:59:19.000 What's that times 18?

00:59:21.000 Times 18 years?

00:59:23.000 I don't know, roughly half a million dollars?

00:59:26.000 Right around $700,000.

00:59:28.000 Almost just about what it costs to raise a child.

00:59:30.000 So there's plenty of social welfare benefits in place.

00:59:33.000 So don't give me this idea of economic.

00:59:35.000 Because that's assuming every dollar of that goes to that child.

00:59:37.000 That assumes every dollar of that goes to the bottom of the body. 0.72

00:59:38.000 Here's the essence of it.

00:59:39.000 You vote against increasing this funding.

00:59:42.000 You vote against paid maternity leave.

00:59:44.000 You push against paid maternity and paternity leave.

00:59:48.000 You push against helping increasing prenatal care.

00:59:51.000 You push against making sure that there is more support for helping raise these children.

00:59:56.000 Let me clarify that.

00:59:57.000 You only want to force people to have babies they don't want, and you don't actually care about it because you've proven time and time again here that you don't even know exactly what a baby is.

01:00:06.000 You said with your own words that it's not a life until it's born, never had a chance to exist.

01:00:10.000 You only want to do it to get more followers and to be able to keep your followers on a hook because the anti-choice movement never even used to be an issue conservatives cared about pre-Roe v. Wade.

01:00:20.000 It was about segregating schools. 0.96

01:00:22.000 That was the big issue that was the conservative movement hung their hat on.

01:00:25.000 You are all over the place.

01:00:27.000 I'm making great points all over the place. 0.74

01:00:29.000 You're damn right.

01:00:30.000 And so once the sentiment of the country shifted against that and they lost that hook on people's playing to their fear and emotions, they had to shift to another emotional issue that played on misogyny and racism without being overtly misogynist and racist. 0.57

01:00:41.000 So they instead said, let's control women's bodies and therefore help keep communities of color down, help keep women down, and help have men decide, like men like you, decide what's best for women, even though you can't be pregnant, never will be pregnant. 0.50

01:00:54.000 And if you ever, your wife, hopefully, I hope for you have the life you want, gets pregnant, you raise a family, you'll have the means to take care of them. 0.61

01:01:00.000 So it's very easy for you to sit on a high horse and say, you got to also have a baby.

01:01:05.000 Well, good for you.

01:01:05.000 That's real nice since they don't have the money to do so.

01:01:08.000 Do you actually believe this?

01:01:10.000 What part?

01:01:10.000 All these great points?

01:01:12.000 You haven't been able to disprove any one of them?

01:01:13.000 Well, actually, we've gone through plenty of it.

01:01:15.000 And just to recap, age privilege and size privilege, Ben believes just because you're older and bigger, you should be able to terminate human life.

01:01:21.000 He's been unable to pinpoint one human life.

01:01:24.000 And at birth, 62 million abortions.

01:01:29.000 Human beings are distinct and whole.

01:01:31.000 And the science of embryology shows that human beings begin life at conception.

01:01:40.000 The science of embryology.

01:01:41.000 No, it doesn't.

01:01:42.000 You have been unable to pinpoint human beings on the ladder of the animal kingdom ladder.

01:01:46.000 That's the building block of money. 0.98

01:01:47.000 900 black babies are killed every single day. 0.98

01:01:50.000 Ben is indifferent to that. 0.98

01:01:51.000 No, I want to be able to do that.

01:01:52.000 There are 30 sites waiting families for every one abortion that happens every year.

01:01:56.000 And there's children that are stuck in the adoptive system forever and can't get adopted.

01:02:01.000 70% of all abortions are minorities.

01:02:03.000 And it really goes down to this moral question.

01:02:05.000 And the moral question is whether or not we believe human beings are worthy of protection.

01:02:10.000 No, no.

01:02:11.000 And I believe that.

01:02:12.000 You all the time say you don't believe they are.

01:02:14.000 Believe they are worthy.

01:02:16.000 No, you vote all the time against protecting living human beings.

01:02:19.000 You only vote.

01:02:21.000 Let's talk about protect the unborn.

01:02:23.000 So this is a slanderous lie.

01:02:24.000 I want school choice because I care about all human beings.

01:02:27.000 I want more police because I care about all human beings.

01:02:30.000 I want strong borders because I care about human beings.

01:02:33.000 It is a lie and it is insulting to anyone who's pro-life to act as if we are only pro-baby.

01:02:39.000 Everything that we advocate at this organization and over here is about the betterment and the flourishing of humanity, protection of your rights, strong education, the ability to read, the ability to go to school, not have to live in gang-infested neighborhoods.

01:02:54.000 You do not help. 0.99

01:02:56.000 That is a garbage. 0.99

01:02:57.000 Everything that I advocate is to advocate for the human beings. 1.00

01:03:01.000 No, you are like, from the moment of conception to the last gasp and bustle.

01:03:05.000 That is a lie.

01:03:06.000 This is a drive to decide what you think will help communities that you don't understand and aren't part of.

01:03:11.000 You think there should be more police.

01:03:12.000 So the ability to read is something that I'm saying.

01:03:15.000 Reading is great, but you constantly denigrate the Black Lives Matter movement and the opinions of the black community that tell you what you are telling them and dictating as their white savior what they should want is not in fact the reality they live.

01:03:28.000 You're telling them more police.

01:03:29.000 They say, we desperately need other ways.

01:03:32.000 We need to shift funding into social workers, into health care, and to help other community help.

01:03:38.000 And you show, instead you tweet about how one of the founders of Black Lives Matter bought a house.

01:03:43.000 Patrice Cullers has 400 and got rich while her followers still can't educate her. 1.00

01:03:48.000 She's not allowed to get rich. 1.00

01:03:49.000 You are, but she's not.

01:03:51.000 Well, Patrice Cullers goes on bashing capitalist enterprises, saying that she's a Marxist, gets rich while her followers continually have to send her kids to bad schools. 0.95

01:04:00.000 So I just want to say that.

01:04:01.000 I have one last question for you.

01:04:02.000 Why are you friends of murderers? 0.75

01:04:05.000 What on earth are you talking about?

01:04:07.000 You said you have friends who've had abortions and you believe abortion is murder. 0.97

01:04:11.000 Why are you friends with murderers?

01:04:12.000 I'm glad you asked that question.

01:04:13.000 Thank you. 0.98

01:04:14.000 Abortionists are the murderers.

01:04:15.000 Women that have abortions are victims. 1.00

01:04:17.000 You said it's a genocide.

01:04:19.000 They have been captured by the abortion industry.

01:04:23.000 They should be given empathy, respect, care, and compassion.

01:04:27.000 The abortionists should be locked up in prison. 1.00

01:04:29.000 And it's people who are in the middle of the day.

01:04:30.000 So women not only can't decide for their own bodies the termination and destruction of children. 1.00

01:04:38.000 The 62 million babies that you are owned by.

01:04:41.000 Not babies.

01:04:41.000 Pre-babies.

01:04:42.000 You don't care one for birdies.

01:04:43.000 You don't care one for babies. 1.00

01:04:45.000 You've said repeatedly that abortion is murder and genocide.

01:04:49.000 Correct.

01:04:50.000 So somebody who decides to have an abortion, then by your own definition, is a murderer, unless you not only think women shouldn't be able to, or maybe aren't intelligent enough or independent enough to decide what to do with their own bodies, but also they're so naive, they're always convinced against their will to have an abortion.

01:05:07.000 If not, then you're friends with murderers.

01:05:11.000 Abortionists are the ones doing the procedure. 1.00

01:05:13.000 You can hire a hitman, can't you?

01:05:14.000 They are lied to.

01:05:15.000 Hire a hitman.

01:05:16.000 Are you guilty of murder?

01:05:16.000 They're not received.

01:05:17.000 Many of them are not showing ultrasound.

01:05:20.000 Many of them are not showing ultrasounds.

01:05:21.000 They're not understood.

01:05:22.000 The action is not a problem.

01:05:23.000 And many of them are complex.

01:05:24.000 And many of them are.

01:05:25.000 If you hire a hitman, are you guilty of murder?

01:05:27.000 I will remain with this position that women are victims in the abortion industry. 0.91

01:05:32.000 Women are victims and can't decide for themselves. 1.00

01:05:34.000 They can't hire industry that propagandizes to them that try to reach out, that reach out to them in a very deceptive and terrible way.

01:05:41.000 Women can't be reached out to and then make intelligent decisions. 1.00

01:05:44.000 Let me ask you a question.

01:05:45.000 That's your opinion.

01:05:46.000 Women can't make intelligent decisions if they were reached out to and shown an ultrasound. 1.00

01:05:49.000 They can't make a decision on their own.

01:05:51.000 Can they still make decisions in panic?

01:05:53.000 And of course they can.

01:05:54.000 No, it's only panicked when they have weeks to decide.

01:05:57.000 Do I believe that women are making a mistake by getting an abortion? 0.88

01:06:00.000 No, you're saying they're murderers.

01:06:02.000 I'm not saying they're saying the abortionists are murderers.

01:06:04.000 No, but if you hire a hitman, you're guilty of murder.

01:06:06.000 Do I think that they allowed murder to occur?

01:06:08.000 Yes, I do.

01:06:09.000 They allowed murder to occur.

01:06:10.000 They hired a murderer, in your opinion.

01:06:13.000 Yes.

01:06:13.000 So you're friends with murderers.

01:06:15.000 Why? 0.59

01:06:15.000 Why don't you call 911 and never talk to them again? 0.59

01:06:18.000 I have compassion for murderers.

01:06:19.000 For murderers because they regret what they say.

01:06:20.000 I have compassion for murderers.

01:06:22.000 I have to do it without a hundred for how that they were lied to.

01:06:25.000 Many of them confide and they cry to me and they pray for recognition.

01:06:30.000 So, your point is that they're not going to be able to do that.

01:06:31.000 And they pray for forgiveness.

01:06:32.000 And you agree with me.

01:06:33.000 And they are broken and they are hurt.

01:06:35.000 And they wish with every ounce of their being that they could undo that decision.

01:06:40.000 And my criticism, you know that, obviously.

01:06:43.000 My criticism goes after the abortion industry.

01:06:45.000 The doctors that misled them.

01:06:48.000 The nurses that didn't show them the ultrasound.

01:06:51.000 You know they're not lying.

01:06:53.000 So what about when they do see the ultrasound?

01:06:56.000 Again, that entire industry.

01:06:57.000 What about when they do see the ultrasound?

01:06:59.000 I don't believe they were showing the entire picture.

01:07:01.000 If they really knew that it was a human life.

01:07:03.000 Again, I don't understand the point you're making here.

01:07:06.000 My position is.

01:07:06.000 The point is that you're putting these absolutes that are not accurate.

01:07:10.000 But you're putting absolutes that are not accurate.

01:07:14.000 I'm not really understanding.

01:07:15.000 Let me ask you a question about this.

01:07:17.000 Can you answer that point?

01:07:17.000 You're putting absolutes that are not accurate.

01:07:19.000 You're telling me never out of the 60 billion people.

01:07:23.000 No woman has decided knowing all the facts and seeing the ultrasounds.

01:07:27.000 Why is my stomach showing this whole time?

01:07:29.000 I know you showed me earlier to cover it. 0.99

01:07:31.000 But damn it. 0.99

01:07:32.000 So let me ask you a question. 0.99

01:07:33.000 Yeah.

01:07:34.000 Which is this.

01:07:34.000 I'm pregnant right now.

01:07:35.000 Which is.

01:07:37.000 Which is.

01:07:38.000 I might keep it, Charlie.

01:07:39.000 So human life.

01:07:41.000 Can you give a specific week and trimester that you think that's?

01:07:46.000 I already answered that seven times.

01:07:47.000 No, you haven't.

01:07:48.000 You keep on dodging it.

01:07:49.000 I specifically say that.

01:07:50.000 Somewhere holding for me when they're viable, but that's not my decision to make.

01:07:53.000 But shouldn't the laws reflect morality?

01:07:56.000 Bring this point home for me because you're so important that you're encouraging millions of people to not have the right to decide for their own body.

01:08:02.000 The one place you think government should be big and huge is deciding.

01:08:05.000 You mean enforcing the money?

01:08:06.000 So again, you just said it's murder.

01:08:07.000 So again, you just said it's murder.

01:08:09.000 Yes.

01:08:09.000 So you think never in the history of the 60 million abortions in this country women have decided on their own?

01:08:15.000 So those women are all murderers? 1.00

01:08:17.000 So do some women make those women are all murderers. 1.00

01:08:19.000 Are they the ones conducting that? 0.67

01:08:21.000 Are those women all murderers? 1.00

01:08:22.000 Of course they're not. 0.66

01:08:23.000 The abortionists are. 0.66

01:08:24.000 Boom! 0.99

01:08:24.000 I rest my case again. 0.99

01:08:26.000 The abortionists are the ones. 0.99

01:08:27.000 How many times can you rest the case?

01:08:28.000 A lot?

01:08:29.000 The abortionists are the ones that are doing that. 0.71

01:08:31.000 You just established an abortion.

01:08:35.000 When an abortionist is not a matter of money.

01:08:35.000 So you're talking around it because you don't want to say that.

01:08:37.000 You don't want to say your friends are murderers, but that's what you're saying.

01:08:39.000 That's what you're saying.

01:08:40.000 That's close to what I'm saying.

01:08:41.000 It's exactly what you're saying.

01:08:42.000 You just acknowledged that, of course, sometimes women have all the full knowledge and are aware of what they're doing. 1.00

01:08:48.000 And in those instances, it's murder.

01:08:51.000 You just said it, and then a second later, you're like, but of course they're not murderers.

01:08:54.000 Because you don't want to say that because you don't ever realize the actual effect on the mothers of what you are doing in saying that.

01:09:00.000 You only care about this talking to you.

01:09:02.000 Do you think most, you know that most women that have abortions regret it? 0.89

01:09:04.000 No, that's not true.

01:09:06.000 Yes, it is.

01:09:06.000 I know a lot of women that have had abortions and they don't regret it.

01:09:08.000 They don't critically empirically.

01:09:10.000 Neither is your statement.

01:09:11.000 Yes, it is.

01:09:11.000 No, it's not.

01:09:12.000 Most women who have had an abortion.

01:09:13.000 Most women who have abortions regret it.

01:09:15.000 You know that one in four women have had an abortion by age 45?

01:09:17.000 Do you know that?

01:09:18.000 That is a sad statistic.

01:09:19.000 Yeah, it's sad.

01:09:20.000 That one in four women, unfortunately, are preyed on by the abortion industry. 1.00

01:09:23.000 They're all preyed on.

01:09:24.000 62.

01:09:25.000 None of them.

01:09:25.000 A million babies were never able to live.

01:09:28.000 Let me close kind of this.

01:09:29.000 Wait, wait, I have one more question for you.

01:09:31.000 Are any choices?

01:09:32.000 Here's a big question for you.

01:09:33.000 What choices are wrong in society?

01:09:35.000 Would you get rid of murder laws?

01:09:37.000 No, I have a question for you.

01:09:38.000 Okay, so.

01:09:38.000 I'm going to answer that very quickly for you.

01:09:39.000 So I have a question for you real quick, okay?

01:09:41.000 Why do you think late-term abortion is so bad? 0.96

01:09:44.000 Well, I think late-term abortion is morally equivalent with abortion in the first trimester.

01:09:49.000 Oh, you don't think it's any difference?

01:09:51.000 Well, I do.

01:09:51.000 I think that it gets worse because the baby can feel pain and it becomes even more developed.

01:09:55.000 Oh, perfect.

01:09:56.000 So you prove my point of view.

01:09:57.000 I think it's more grotesque.

01:09:58.000 It becomes even more developed.

01:09:59.000 It becomes more brutal.

01:10:00.000 That's my point.

01:10:01.000 Human life.

01:10:02.000 Human life is a problem.

01:10:02.000 It becomes more brutal.

01:10:04.000 You would never be more angry at a mother that killed a living baby at three years old than you would if they killed a baby at one year old.

01:10:11.000 But with a fetus, you do.

01:10:13.000 So you're qualifying the amount of life.

01:10:15.000 Well, I said that it's morally the same.

01:10:17.000 You shouldn't.

01:10:17.000 It's more grotesque.

01:10:18.000 You said it's worse.

01:10:19.000 Then you know what's more grotesque.

01:10:20.000 You know what it's more grotesque?

01:10:21.000 When the baby starts crying and an abortionist goes in and snaps its neck. 0.99

01:10:25.000 Yes, it's more grotesque.

01:10:26.000 What?

01:10:26.000 Do you know what actually happens in an abortion?

01:10:27.000 Yes, I do.

01:10:28.000 What happens?

01:10:28.000 Tell me.

01:10:29.000 I know exactly what happens.

01:10:29.000 What happens?

01:10:30.000 There's several different methods.

01:10:31.000 Now, tell me how an abortion happens, Ben, since you're such an expert.

01:10:35.000 You dilate the cervix, and you go in there with a tube, and you suction out the tiny half an inch, large 0.025 of an ounce embryo, and it doesn't get a chance to become a human.

01:10:52.000 What does the baby do while that's happening?

01:10:54.000 The baby is fighting against it.

01:10:55.000 The baby is clinging to the wall of the mother.

01:10:57.000 It's the first two trimesters, what is not.

01:10:59.000 And then the baby does what?

01:11:01.000 In the third trimester, that might be true, but not in the first two trimesters.

01:11:03.000 Oh, sure, it does.

01:11:04.000 Go look at the videos at abortion.

01:11:05.000 And guess what percentage of abortions do the abortionists have to break the neck of the baby? 1.00

01:11:09.000 Charlie, you just at the same time.

01:11:11.000 You ever see a video?

01:11:11.000 A small percentage because that is the late, late abortion thing.

01:11:15.000 So wait, in less than 1%.

01:11:17.000 If you had to break a neck of a baby, so it is a baby, you agree? 0.99

01:11:20.000 No, I never said that.

01:11:20.000 If you have to break a neck, is it a baby?

01:11:22.000 No.

01:11:23.000 What is it?

01:11:23.000 Dolphins have necks.

01:11:24.000 Your favorite animal.

01:11:26.000 So you believe that it's okay?

01:11:27.000 No, I didn't say it's okay.

01:11:29.000 Abortions are sad.

01:11:31.000 Ben, I really don't think you understand how grotesque and graphic and intimate and quite honestly disgusting an abortion is.

01:11:39.000 How unnatural it is to go into the development of a human being, break the neck, insert oneself, and the baby is trying with everything it can to cling onto the wall of the mother and to extract that violence.

01:11:53.000 That's not what happens.

01:11:54.000 That is not what happens.

01:11:55.000 You've got to watch more videos of abortion. 0.90

01:11:57.000 I've watched so many videos.

01:11:58.000 That's really creepy.

01:11:59.000 You've watched so many videos.

01:12:01.000 Oh, so the mount you've watched the goldie locks up. 0.97

01:12:03.000 Yeah, after one murder, one was enough.

01:12:05.000 So many videos.

01:12:06.000 So let me ask you a question.

01:12:07.000 What axe murderers do.

01:12:08.000 Here's a question that I would love to see about how we can move forward as a country on this, okay?

01:12:11.000 That would be a good way to close.

01:12:13.000 Great.

01:12:13.000 I love it.

01:12:14.000 So how to move forward as a country is obviously it's very contentious and we see these things differently, right?

01:12:19.000 That's been evidently clear.

01:12:21.000 Yes, absolutely.

01:12:22.000 But my big question is when you are clearly someone who does not believe in government overreach and you want people to be successful on their own, deciding on their own what their lives are going to be.

01:12:37.000 I mean, I have a quote from you right here.

01:12:39.000 You think that people should be able to fend for themselves and make their own life and make their own decisions.

01:12:44.000 But for some reason, that's why you're against a lot of expanding welfare programs, expanding Medicaid, expanding prenatal care.

01:12:50.000 Yet, when it comes to a woman, half the population's own body, you don't agree with your own words.

01:12:55.000 You know the response before I say it.

01:12:57.000 You know why?

01:12:57.000 Because I believe that unborn child deserves constitutional protection and the right to flourish like you and I. Who are we as human beings, as fully developed people, to say that that being right now, six weeks in the room doesn't allow, does not have the same sort of shot at life that we have.

01:13:12.000 Because we're fully developed and they're human beings who are alive.

01:13:15.000 So you don't.

01:13:15.000 You just admitted that they are not fully alive.

01:13:17.000 You admitted it several times.

01:13:18.000 No, no, no.

01:13:19.000 They never had a chance to abortion.

01:13:20.000 Hold on a second.

01:13:20.000 No, no, no.

01:13:21.000 You're being dishonest.

01:13:21.000 No, I'm not.

01:13:22.000 I'm saying that they are not as old and they're not as large, but they are equally a human being.

01:13:26.000 They are a personhood.

01:13:27.000 So this question of women's government, I believe in a small and strong government. 1.00

01:13:32.000 Small in what we do, strong in the enforcement.

01:13:35.000 You need to women's vital friendship. 1.00

01:13:37.000 Let me be very clear.

01:13:39.000 No, you're actually the one that wants to go into the body and snap the neck of babies.

01:13:42.000 I want to make sure that you're not going to be able to do that.

01:13:42.000 You want to ruin the lives of millions of women.

01:13:45.000 Let me be very clear.

01:13:45.000 You want to ruin the lives of living women.

01:13:47.000 No, I want more children who don't care about them to be able to continue.

01:13:51.000 I care so much about women. 1.00

01:13:53.000 I want to prevent them from the horror of abortion.

01:13:56.000 I care so much about women that I want 31 million more women that never had the chance to live for the living person to live the way you are. 1.00

01:14:06.000 31 million women.

01:14:08.000 That's the question I wanted to get to.

01:14:09.000 31 million.

01:14:10.000 Let me ask you a question.

01:14:11.000 31 million women never had a chance to see their 10th birthday since Roe versus Wade.

01:14:15.000 Does that bother you?

01:14:16.000 No.

01:14:16.000 We just talked about that for an hour.

01:14:17.000 Okay, so that's fine.

01:14:19.000 I thought you said you were pro-woman.

01:14:20.000 Half of abortions statistically.

01:14:22.000 They're not women. 1.00

01:14:23.000 You went over this in great detail.

01:14:24.000 So they're just some amphibious being.

01:14:26.000 Why do you care more about the unborn than the born?

01:14:29.000 I care equally because they're born human beings.

01:14:31.000 I do.

01:14:32.000 You just said over and over, you just affirmed again that you don't care about helping the structural system that can help. 0.95

01:14:40.000 This argument is such a silly argument.

01:14:41.000 Because you don't have an answer for it. 0.94

01:14:43.000 Let me very clear.

01:14:43.000 You know why?

01:14:44.000 Because government dependence doesn't help.

01:14:46.000 That's why.

01:14:47.000 It hurts.

01:14:47.000 It keeps people down.

01:14:49.000 Privileged opinion.

01:14:50.000 School choice would help the black community, yet the teacher unions get in the way of it. 0.88

01:14:54.000 That's all they need to say.

01:14:55.000 Defunding the police raises crime and hurts minority opinions.

01:14:58.000 This is the argument that so many people make.

01:15:01.000 That's your opinion, Charlie.

01:15:03.000 Which is that somehow I am anti-life and only pro-baby.

01:15:07.000 Every position I hold is pro-life.

01:15:09.000 Every single position.

01:15:11.000 I believe in the dignity, the flourishing, the potential, and the prosperity of all human beings.

01:15:16.000 And every public policy position I hold.

01:15:19.000 Without any help.

01:15:20.000 That's not true.

01:15:21.000 I believe in a safety net, but not a hammock.

01:15:24.000 I believe in lifting people up, not crushing them down on dependence.

01:15:28.000 I believe we shouldn't throw rocks at the top at the building.

01:15:30.000 We should fix the elevator.

01:15:32.000 I believe in intergenerational stratification.

01:15:34.000 I believe in getting more people to read, not less.

01:15:36.000 I believe in matters, not steps.

01:15:38.000 I believe in the current public education system in Baltimore, where in five schools, they cannot find a black child that could read at fifth grade.

01:15:46.000 That's what I'm focused on fixing.

01:15:48.000 That school needs better teachers.

01:15:49.000 I agree.

01:15:50.000 That's why bad teachers should be fired and good teachers should be paid more, and the teacher union should be crushed. 0.99

01:15:55.000 This argument from the pro-abortion lobby that we're somehow only pro-birth and you're on your own is disgusting and it's ridiculous. 0.93

01:16:02.000 This is why you have a few things that are Medicaid, social welfare. 0.92

01:16:08.000 Those keep people down.

01:16:09.000 That does not lift them up.

01:16:10.000 It's a privileged opinion when you never had to deal with changing your social status.

01:16:14.000 Social status.

01:16:15.000 So let me just ask you a question.

01:16:17.000 But how do you know if you never had to do that?

01:16:19.000 It's so arrogant.

01:16:21.000 For people who never had to do that.

01:16:23.000 To know how easy it is to get to a different social status.

01:16:26.000 Let me ask you that.

01:16:26.000 You're making that up.

01:16:27.000 So just universal, is reading a good thing?

01:16:29.000 Being able to read?

01:16:30.000 Yeah, it's pretty easy.

01:16:31.000 Even though we're screens these days, it's not super necessary.

01:16:34.000 How about low crime areas?

01:16:35.000 Yeah, that's good.

01:16:36.000 And you don't want to help them.

01:16:37.000 I don't need to grow up in the hood to know those things are good.

01:16:40.000 You don't want to help those communities.

01:16:41.000 I want to help them help them so much.

01:16:43.000 I want to get them off government dependency and get them into economic social media.

01:16:46.000 So they should follow your prescription.

01:16:47.000 I want to get, it's not mine.

01:16:49.000 This is this.

01:16:49.000 It is.

01:16:50.000 So how do you stay out of poverty in America?

01:16:51.000 What are the three things you have to do to stay out of poverty?

01:16:54.000 You got to get out of poverty.

01:16:56.000 Graduate high school, get a job, any job, and get married before you have kids.

01:17:00.000 That's the Hoover, that's the Brookings Institution, which is a liberal institution.

01:17:05.000 You don't want to help people do those things.

01:17:07.000 Oh, let's go through it.

01:17:08.000 Okay, get married before you have kids. 0.99

01:17:09.000 I'm a huge advocate of that.

01:17:11.000 I want to fix the high schools in our country, and I want to be able to have jobs abundant in inner-city schools.

01:17:16.000 Everything I stand for is for the betterment of the individual.

01:17:18.000 How do you want to get those jobs going?

01:17:20.000 Enterprise zones, opportunity zones, lowering crime.

01:17:23.000 Crime is one of the number one reasons why businesses will not move into low-income areas.

01:17:27.000 Every position I have is a pro-life position.

01:17:29.000 Going from protecting the unborn child in the womb all the way to making sure you have safe streets, schools where children can read, fathers in the home, making sure people stay loyally married to their spouse, being able to make sure communities are thriving.

01:17:41.000 A pro-life agenda is through the entire public policy portfolio of the conservative left-wing worldview.

01:17:50.000 It's very simple.

01:17:51.000 We want to abort you in the womb, keep you down, have forced eugenics, not be able to read and enter schools, close your business. 1.00

01:17:59.000 We want you to not read. 1.00

01:18:00.000 Be able to bang your violence. 0.93

01:18:01.000 We want you to not read.

01:18:02.000 It seems as if the Democrat Party and the left is perfectly okay with the fact that literacy rates have gone down in inner cities, that teacher unions are making more money than ever before.

01:18:11.000 They oppose charter schools and oppose private schools.

01:18:14.000 This idea that somehow I don't care about the dignity of individuals as pro-life people is disgusting.

01:18:18.000 It's reprehensible.

01:18:20.000 I want to help them through better schools, safer streets, more jobs, and fathers back in the middle of the world.

01:18:25.000 Not in the ways that they tell you they are objectively.

01:18:28.000 You know who does that?

01:18:28.000 But not in the ways they do.

01:18:29.000 What about Senator Tim Scott?

01:18:30.000 What about Thomas Sowell?

01:18:31.000 What about black leaders that want to talk about flourishing, not victimology?

01:18:34.000 What about black leaders that want to talk about rebuilding these communities?

01:18:37.000 We need all of that.

01:18:38.000 These things are objectively good.

01:18:39.000 You know, that if people get a job, they graduate high school, they can read, they could do math, and that they don't commit crimes.

01:18:46.000 You know, those things are objectively.

01:18:47.000 No, I know for a fact. 0.83

01:18:48.000 Regardless, black people.

01:18:49.000 Regardless of nothing.

01:18:51.000 Regardless of their black, I don't know if they're not. 0.99

01:18:52.000 Rather than Hispanic. 1.00

01:18:54.000 This idea because of the skin color that I have, that I can't say that some things are better than others. 0.99

01:19:00.000 It's ridiculous.

01:19:01.000 Not committing crimes, getting a job, graduating high school, getting married before you have kids are moral goods that everyone should advocate for, and that's what conservatives believe. 0.99

01:19:10.000 Not committing crimes and getting jobs from your position of white privilege is something that is woefully ignorant to say without a true understanding of that experience.

01:19:18.000 But I think it's great that you do have a lot of those positions that would help. 0.80

01:19:21.000 And I think it would be nice if you could up your empathy a little bit to help in some of these other ways.

01:19:24.000 But I have two last questions for you, if I could, okay?

01:19:26.000 One, here's a big one I have for you: is since I was trying to say the point and I got distracted because this is very intense.

01:19:32.000 But if we agree, we see this all very differently, right?

01:19:36.000 But currently, the law of the land is that a woman does have the right to choose. 1.00

01:19:40.000 At least federally, that is what the law interpretation by it was never passed by Congress.

01:19:46.000 Okay, point being: why don't you, if you truly care about people so much, and you claim, even though you won't talk about the woman, you claim to care about the woman, the mother, as well as the unborn child, then why don't you focus instead on the education of these people?

01:20:00.000 Why don't you focus instead on making sure they have the care they need to be able to bring more children into the world, which would make you happy and would reduce abortions and not do it through draconian laws that punish them and would make it illegal if they're raped? 0.91

01:20:15.000 Let me ask you a question.

01:20:15.000 Have an epic pregnancy or anything.

01:20:17.000 How much do you know about my views on actual children and development?

01:20:21.000 I don't.

01:20:22.000 I've studied as much as I can find, but I don't believe in about it.

01:20:24.000 I don't know if you're not paying people to have children.

01:20:25.000 Did you know that?

01:20:26.000 No, I didn't.

01:20:27.000 Well, you should have a note card.

01:20:28.000 But what's your answer to that question?

01:20:29.000 Why do you try to do it through laws and not through education?

01:20:32.000 Let's go to this.

01:20:32.000 And help.

01:20:33.000 I do believe in education and help.

01:20:35.000 I believe that for every child you get, you should get cash from the federal government.

01:20:38.000 Did you know that?

01:20:39.000 That's great.

01:20:39.000 How much cash do you want them to have?

01:20:41.000 $10,000, $12,000 a year.

01:20:42.000 I think we need to increase the birth rate in our country.

01:20:45.000 You know that?

01:20:46.000 That's great.

01:20:46.000 I do know you think that is.

01:20:47.000 Is that a pro-life position?

01:20:49.000 We have an overpopulation problem.

01:20:50.000 No, we don't.

01:20:51.000 Oh, my goodness.

01:20:52.000 We have an overpopulation problem?

01:20:54.000 We do.

01:20:55.000 But let me ask you this last thing, okay?

01:20:59.000 Here's who I don't understand.

01:21:00.000 Conservatives claim to be all about freedom.

01:21:04.000 And you claim that liberals are about this nanny state and about not being free.

01:21:11.000 There's some nuance in flexing those joints, but sure.

01:21:13.000 Okay.

01:21:14.000 So here's what I don't understand.

01:21:16.000 You think that when you're trying to protect people from a pandemic, you can't infringe on someone's freedom to ask them to wear a mask because it might not spit deadly virus into their face.

01:21:26.000 That's too much of an impingement on freedom for you.

01:21:28.000 But you're okay with rolling back reproductive freedom.

01:21:33.000 You're okay with rolling back voting access in this country.

01:21:37.000 You're okay with broadly undermining our democracy by backing an insurrection literally to overthrow the election of our nation that you supported.

01:21:47.000 I mean, Turning Points literally funded Trump's Jan 6 rally.

01:21:51.000 So Ben, I have a question.

01:21:52.000 That led to an insurrection attempt on our government and the death of many people, including police officers that you claim to love and care for.

01:22:01.000 How do you reconcile being anti-freedom on all of those things and claiming you're pro-freedom?

01:22:06.000 So Ben, I have a question.

01:22:07.000 Which one of us was an anti-democracy?

01:22:09.000 Ben, I have a question.

01:22:09.000 Which one of us was arrested at the Capitol before?

01:22:12.000 I was.

01:22:12.000 So you're an insurrectionist?

01:22:14.000 Oh, no.

01:22:14.000 I didn't break into the building and kill people.

01:22:16.000 Were you arrested?

01:22:17.000 Yeah, I went.

01:22:18.000 Where was I on January 6th?

01:22:20.000 You were doing a podcast in which you said, I'm getting 500 emails a minute of people saying we want civil war and then ginning that up.

01:22:28.000 You were in the middle of the day.

01:22:28.000 And also, not that day.

01:22:30.000 Not that day.

01:22:32.000 And you also sent busloads of people to the Capitol on Jan 6.

01:22:37.000 You sent people to the Capitol on Jan 6 for the insurrection.

01:22:41.000 You really should get better research.

01:22:43.000 Are you not responsible?

01:22:44.000 So I protected.

01:22:44.000 Hold on.

01:22:45.000 Our students never got near the Capitol.

01:22:47.000 None of them.

01:22:48.000 No.

01:22:48.000 They were actually at the law.

01:22:49.000 They were right.

01:22:50.000 They were at the ellipse.

01:22:52.000 None of them walked to the Capitol.

01:22:53.000 You, as an insurrectionist, who were arrested at the Capitol.

01:22:56.000 Zero.

01:22:56.000 No, no, no.

01:22:57.000 Because you are a threat to democracy.

01:22:58.000 I peacefully protested and told the Capitol police I would be protesting.

01:23:02.000 They knew that respectful and you were civil disobedience.

01:23:05.000 I did not know they knew that it was happening.

01:23:08.000 So you do take blame for the insurrection that happened on Jan 6.

01:23:10.000 I did take no blame.

01:23:11.000 That's slanderous and wrong.

01:23:12.000 Why do you take no blame for it?

01:23:14.000 You sent buses of people there.

01:23:15.000 To the ellipse that got nowhere near the Capitol.

01:23:17.000 You're the insurrection.

01:23:18.000 But that day that you ginned up.

01:23:21.000 That day.

01:23:22.000 That day that you ginned up.

01:23:22.000 What's the final question you have here?

01:23:24.000 That day that you ginned up.

01:23:25.000 I ginned up nothing.

01:23:26.000 That day that you ginned up.

01:23:28.000 You're the only one that got arrested.

01:23:30.000 You said you were sending patriots to fight.

01:23:32.000 I said nothing like that.

01:23:33.000 Yes, you did.

01:23:34.000 You said you never sent patriots to fight.

01:23:36.000 Metaphorically failed.

01:23:37.000 And you said they want a civil war.

01:23:38.000 This is so typical.

01:23:40.000 Where you come in here, where you yourself have been arrested at the Capitol.

01:23:43.000 Peace.

01:23:43.000 And you tried to sell it.

01:23:45.000 I am sorry.

01:23:45.000 That's different.

01:23:46.000 You are a domestic terrorist. 1.00

01:23:48.000 Okay. 1.00

01:23:48.000 Failed presidential candidate. 1.00

01:23:49.000 No one's ever heard of. 0.99

01:23:50.000 You have the balls to come in here and try to call me that. 0.99

01:23:52.000 So you're not. 0.98

01:23:53.000 So you're not responsible for it?

01:23:55.000 Let me come back.

01:23:55.000 Just ask me.

01:23:56.000 That's my last question.

01:23:56.000 Not even a moment.

01:23:57.000 You're not responsible for what happened on the camera.

01:23:58.000 You've actually been arrested on the Capitol.

01:24:00.000 Let me finish and say this.

01:24:02.000 This right here is exactly why we're not going to come together as a nation.

01:24:06.000 No, no, no, no.

01:24:06.000 You dishonestly come in here with poorly researched talking points where I'm a thousand miles away in Phoenix, Arizona.

01:24:13.000 You can't fight a mob from a distance?

01:24:14.000 Let me be very clear.

01:24:15.000 You're the one that's actually been arrested before.

01:24:18.000 I have not.

01:24:18.000 North and they got nowhere near.

01:24:20.000 None of them.

01:24:20.000 And let me just finish by saying this.

01:24:22.000 You're done.

01:24:23.000 Let me finish by saying this.

01:24:24.000 Wait, this is exactly what I'm saying.

01:24:25.000 I promise here's my moment.

01:24:26.000 No one trusts half the country.

01:24:28.000 I promise you.

01:24:28.000 Because they dishonestly lie about this and they think they got one when they themselves are actually the domestic terrorists and the people that have attacked our democracy.

01:24:36.000 He's been arrested.

01:24:37.000 I haven't.

01:24:38.000 Thank you, Ben, so much.

01:24:39.000 I promise here's my last thing.

01:24:41.000 Thank you, guys.

01:24:45.000 All right.

01:24:45.000 I told you it was a circus, but if you want to email me your thoughts about it, freedom at charliekirk.com and get involved at TurningPointUSA, tpusa.com.

01:24:52.000 God bless you guys.

01:24:53.000 Speak to you soon.

01:24:56.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - October 08, 2021

UNFILTERED: A Long-Form Debate with a Deranged Pro-Abortion Activist

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