00:00:22.000This guy considers himself to be a comedian.
00:00:25.000You can make the judge whether or not he's funny or not.
00:00:28.000But I just want to say this because some people, as we post these debates, we get some angry emails about kind of the content that's being discussed.
00:00:46.000It gets too graphic for my liking, and I try to retreat it from there.
00:00:51.000But I did want to post this episode for a couple of reasons because this is a real viewpoint that is held by half the country.
00:00:57.000That as the sarcastic, venomous, very, let's say, dishonest approach that Ben has in this debate, albeit something that I think is going to be quite honestly unpleasant for a lot of you to listen to at times, it's a real thing and it must be confronted.
00:01:19.000And so I just want to make sure all of you know what you're getting into.
00:01:42.000I refuse to take the bait many of the times.
00:01:44.000But again, if you're someone who just kind of wants to not get irritated, not get your blood rate up, you know, your heart rate up, then let's just say you've been warned.
00:01:55.000So I don't want to get some sort of email and say, Charlie, he was so terrible.
00:02:47.000We have an event at Baylor University coming up, Boise State University, University of Vermont, Clemson, Alabama, and University of Oregon.
00:02:54.000If you want to go to that, and then come to Phoenix, Arizona, everybody, December 18, 19, 2021 at tpusa.com/slash amfest, the largest pro-American celebration.
00:03:07.000There's a couple points of this debate where the sophist, which is what he is, tries to trip me up about the definition of a birthday and kind of what a human life is and tries to, I think, be very unfairly and dishonestly focused on linguistics and on kind of just again, sophist type arguments.
00:03:29.000If you know what a sophistication is someone that tries to make things sound smart in ancient Greece, but in reality was a communicator of deception and of treachery.
00:03:37.000But I will say this: that there were a couple of responses I wish I would have handled a little bit differently.
00:03:41.000Generally, I was very happy with how I kept myself more in check and self-control.
00:03:47.000I asked good questions because you tried to provoke me many different times.
00:03:51.000This conversation is one that you've been the final warning.
00:04:52.000He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:04:59.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:05:19.000We are honored to be here tonight to be discussing all sorts of things, but specifically, we're going to be talking about abortion, the way it will work.
00:05:27.000It's very structured, and then we will enter into the laissez-faire and regulated portion of the conversation.
00:05:33.000Feel free to interrupt each other and have all sorts of fun.
00:05:36.000And so it'll be two minutes, two minutes, and then a series of one-minute back and forth.
00:06:30.000Your fist must stop where my nose starts.
00:06:32.000Except this one minor thing is obviously not a big deal, where you have to use your body to build another body from whole cloth, give it eyeballs and a circulatory system, undergo months and months of creeping bodily horror as your torso becomes unrecognizable to you.
00:06:47.000And then at the end of this process, you have a human being for whom you have to arrange a life.
00:06:51.000Compare that minor, barely palpable discomfort with the shocking, invasive horror of placing a strip of fabric across your nose when entering a business for three to five minutes.
00:07:05.000Nothing worse as a human than to have to conceal your exquisite nose.
00:07:09.000We don't believe in restricting anyone from living as he chooses, unless, of course, it's tangible, minor things like who wants to vote or get abortions or both of which are going to disproportionately, of course, impact people of color.
00:07:41.000I believe we all should be able to come to a consensus that we can decide for ourselves whether and when to have children.
00:07:48.000But a handful of politicians today are trying to pass laws that destroy our freedoms, undermine our rights, and endanger our futures.
00:07:54.000They make decisions that force people to struggle, to simply make ends meet or care for their families and then shame and blame those that they forced that into.
00:08:01.000And while they're busy fighting for our most basic rights, they hand the money that they take from our health care and our schools to our kids' futures and their corporate donors.
00:08:08.000We are in a democracy, not a theocracy, and it's nuts to allow government to think they can have a say in the choices a woman makes for her own body.
00:08:16.000And the last most important point is that by doing this, women will die.
00:08:24.000Without safe places to go for abortions, they will still find a way to get.
00:08:29.000Our daughters, friends, nieces, teachers, mothers will die.
00:08:33.000Would you rather your daughter die if you have a daughter one day or make a safe choice for her own life or decide to start a family for her own life?
00:08:40.000And if you choose, die, how is that pro-life?
00:08:44.000Okay, so I think the entire kind of framing of this debate first needs to start with the type of privilege that we have.
00:08:51.000Both you and I have age privilege and size privilege to say that we believe that certain life should not exist.
00:08:59.000There's been 62 million abortions in America since the ruling of Roe versus Wade.
00:09:04.000So if you go to just a seventh grade textbook of what is a living being or what is a being that has some sort of life, it will say that it's distinct and that it's whole.
00:09:14.000What makes a human life so incredibly unique and so magical is you do not need to encourage or tell that life to grow.
00:09:21.000It's not like a Corvette on an assembly line, is that that human life will develop naturally.
00:09:26.000This really kind of goes down to the question of when does human life begin?
00:10:25.000If it is not your DNA, it is not your choice.
00:10:29.000And we as a human, as a society of human beings, the least we can do is ask ourselves the question, are those people, are those persons in the womb worthy of protection?
00:10:41.000It is the most important moral question I think we as Americans and we in a free society can debate and discuss that all life is worthy of protection.
00:10:50.000So lots of problems with what you said.
00:10:52.000Let me start picking them apart first.
00:10:54.000As a Jewish person, I take large offense to comparing a life that never got to exist to a Holocaust which killed my family who did get to exist and were snuffed out.
00:11:04.000To say those are even comparable is deeply offensive, but let's put that aside for a second.
00:11:09.000You said that the definition by your own words and by the science of embryology is that life is distinct.
00:11:14.000But an embryo is not distinct of the mother whom it is literally attached to and dependent on it for all nutrients and all survival.
00:11:21.000If it can survive in this world, if it can take a breath and go on to live, that is a distinct being and you've got a great argument there.
00:11:51.000That's like saying you never had a chance to live if I killed you right now.
00:11:54.000What I'm saying is that the baby was alive and it got murdered in the womb, therefore it never had a chance to live past the point of it being alive.
00:12:01.000What I meant is that it never had a chance to live to a five-year-old birthday or a 15-year-old birthday or a 30-year-old birthday.
00:12:07.000Again, using age and size privilege that you have and I have, you say, you know what, we should be able to quash and quelch the 62 million human beings that never had a chance to live outside of the womb.
00:12:20.000Here's the basic syllogism that I bring as a pro-life advocate: it is always wrong to intentionally kill a human life.
00:12:27.000Abortion is intentionally killing a human life.
00:12:34.000And so you're going to be making an argument about choice, but some choices are wrong.
00:12:38.000For example, it's wrong to kill human beings.
00:12:42.000So you're going to have to make an argument to the audience why either A, this is not a human life, or B, why the mother has the right to murder her own child.
00:13:36.000If life begins at conception, I'll lay that.
00:13:38.000If life begins at conception, you would count your life from the moment that egg was fertilized.
00:13:42.000When you were the size of a poppy seed, not even a poppy seed, but after a couple days of poppy seed size life that you're celebrating that great birthday.
00:13:50.000But you don't because you don't actually believe that it is a human life.
00:13:55.000You do believe the, if you believe the science, it's quite obvious that it is the germ of a life.
00:14:02.000It's the beginning of a gestation of a life.
00:14:04.000If you're building a cake, baking a cake, you take the ingredients.
00:14:08.000When that cake is done, you got a cake.
00:14:10.000No one is saying it's a cake when it's ingredients that will become after baking a cake.
00:14:14.000And if you throw that cake away because it doesn't come out properly into ever being a cake, you don't say, man, you just threw away a perfectly good cake.
00:14:22.000No, you say, that cake never became a cake.
00:14:25.000So I'm just curious, and we'll just kind of go into the on your cake guy, perfect.
00:16:14.000Well, I'll tell you why, because you yourself have said that, and it was a really well-made point that you made, and I'll quote you back to you.
00:16:20.000You said we have a universal standard for when death is, but we do not have the universal standard for when life begins, and we should.
00:16:29.000And then you go on to say, and I believe life begins at conception.
00:16:52.000If you want the, someone changes Wikipedia.
00:16:55.000If you want the universal standard, you so seek.
00:16:58.000The universal standard we currently have is from birth.
00:17:01.000So my very important point to you here is: if you want to work harder to get that universal standard to change and to convince the populace to get on board with redefining that, do so with argument, do so with fair, good faith argument to get the population on board and change the position of the country.
00:21:44.000Because according to science of embryology, that sperm, when it is firm with an egg, creates a new being of deoxoribonucleic acid that is formed, that is magical, unique, and distinct only to that moment, therefore worthy of conception, and begins the process of the development of a full human being, where the sperm independent of that does not have that.
00:22:02.000Again, your fixation with sperm, kind of weird.
00:22:03.000My sperm is magical and unique and worthy of the conception you said too.
00:22:10.000I got good sperm, and that's just a public service announcement for people that want to know that.
00:22:15.000You can't say my obsession with the first building block of life is weird, but your obsession with six hours later or three days later when it hits an egg is not weird.
00:22:26.000But you admit there's something magical that happens once that sperm and egg meet, that a human life begins, that process begins, that a new DNA is formed, where two beings become one.
00:22:36.000I think it's as magical as the incredible thing that we are given sex drives that compel us to ejaculate and that compel women to drop an egg to have the potential to receive life.
00:22:56.000So since you're so bizarrely fascinated with sperm, you're bizarrely fascinated with women's bodies and regulating them even though you're not a woman.
00:23:03.000I am very fascinated in saving babies' lives.
00:24:34.000And when it doesn't, when it leads to a miscarriage or an ectopic pregnancy, it doesn't lead to those things.
00:24:38.000And then abortions can, or not even abortions, DNC procedures can help clear that out so that a woman can go on to have a family in the future.
00:25:00.000And in fact, over 1,000 OBGYNs, nurses, and neontologists sign a declaration stating, quote, as experienced practitioners and researchers in gynecology, we affirm that direct abortion, the purposeful destruction of an unborn child, is almost never medically necessary to save the life of a woman.
00:25:21.000So in the extraordinarily rare case, which is so hard to find and pinpoint, the only way to...
00:25:42.000Because there could be other children in the future that's my whole argument.
00:25:46.000However, if a woman's not ready to have a child now, there could be other children in the future when they are ready to raise them to life.
00:25:53.000I will correct my own previous statement by saying I don't even think it's ever medically necessary because these 1,000 OBGYNs and nurses have said you can have cesarean sections.
00:26:02.000That's not to say there might not be necessary medical treatments, but to use abortion as the medical necessary treatment, I think is almost never the case whatsoever.
00:26:32.000What do you have to say about the Planned Parenthood founder, Margaret Sanger, who's a eugenicist, who says, we don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the black population?
00:26:42.000Does that bother that Planned Parenthood is a eugenicist organization?
00:31:36.000Also, we rank 33 out of 36 in the Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development Nations, OECD Nations, ranked by U.S. News and World Report for prenatal and early childhood care that you often do not support.
00:31:48.000In fact, recently, when Biden suggested just $225 billion to support children more in the early years of their lives, you went against it and said, oh, capping it, while theoretically, you paid empty lip service to it and said, well, theoretically, it's a good idea.
00:32:03.000$225 billion is so expensive, and it caps the amount they can spend on their children at 7% of income a year.
00:32:10.000And by doing that, there's no incentives then for them to seek cost-effective care when you had no problem with Donald Trump spending $8 trillion, giving trillions and trillions of tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires and raising the national debt to $27 trillion.
00:32:29.000But helping the kids that you care about so much, the babies you care about so much, that you want to force women to give birth to them, and then they can go f ⁇ themselves once they're born because you don't give it.
00:33:40.000I want the exact number of black children that the black communities decide that they want and black mothers decide they want to give birth to, and not force them to do so, and especially not force them to do so and then not provide any of the funding necessary to lift them up out of oftentimes poverty situations.
00:33:58.000Oftentimes you are forcing people to not only then give birth to babies they don't want, but then you're sliding them further into poverty.
00:34:04.000It costs about a million dollars over the course of a lifetime of a child to raise a child and it's easy for you to say you're a trust fund baby who was born rich.
00:34:11.000As easy for you to say when you've never had to struggle for money.
00:34:15.000These people are born in difficult circumstances.
00:34:17.000They get pregnant accidentally or at the hands of an abuser, the hands of a rapist, the hands of of a mistake when they were 16 maybe it's their third child and their husband and them had sex and accidentally got pregnant and you're forcing them to have it and sticking them further and further in poverty, with no effort and no funding to help lift them out of that.
00:34:36.000But you care so much about babies that you think are dolphins, so what percentage of abortions are rape that are attributed to rape.
00:36:24.000So when a child is born and or when a child is going to be born and risked the life of the mother, you say that's so rare it doesn't count.
00:36:31.000When someone is raped, that's so rare it doesn't count.
00:36:34.000One in a hundred times, though, what happens?
00:37:04.000Every time you speak about abortion, you always skip over the mother who gives life to that baby and raises it just to be a bad person.
00:37:12.000Which one of these babies was formed in a consensual relationship or not?
00:37:16.000Let me make sure I understand the question here.
00:37:18.000Let me make sure I understand the question.
00:37:19.000Your question is: which one of these babies was born in a consensual relationship?
00:37:23.000Which one was born over the incredibly traumatic, mind-numbing, horrible, horrific experience of having to carry to term the child of your rapist, of your daughter, of your daughter watching at home's rapist that he wants to force anybody have a pro-birth forced birth opinion will make you carry to term and be the mother of a rapist?
00:39:35.000So your argument is: let's make everyone who's raped force them to have a baby, go through that trauma, and then the trauma of giving up the baby for adoption just so people can have a baby that don't currently have one.
00:39:47.000How about also not traumatizing women and respecting the autonomy of women?
00:39:51.000Why is it that you are in favor of limited government in every way, as small of government as possible, except in the uterus of women?
00:39:59.000So if it's not yours, you're against government overreach, but not government interreach.
00:40:03.000You like government reaching in a uterus and deciding for a woman what it does.
00:40:08.000Hilariously, that's you because you want to put the abortionist in the uterus.
00:40:59.000Is it ever wrong to conduct an abortion or facilitate an abortion?
00:41:04.000I think, in my, again, personal opinion, if it is towards the end of a term and a child is viable, a potential child is viable on its own outside of the womb, and it's not for some serious abnormality that would make the child very likely to not survive long in life or to risk the life of the mother, I think that would be a pretty wrong thing to do.
00:44:44.000Does it ever bother you that you still, despite me making this point already, are trying to dictate for these communities of color what they should do with their families.
00:44:53.000And then once you force them to have this baby, you don't help them at all.
00:48:21.000But you can't enforce your religious opinion on the world.
00:48:24.000That's why we've got to say that I've been making secular arguments.
00:48:27.000So I'm just asking, as someone who says you were offended by the Holocaust, where millions of Jews were killed, why are you seemingly indifferent with the millions of Americans that are being killed?
00:48:54.000The Black Panthers said, which I disagree with, with the Black Panthers on a lot, but they said that abortion is a black genocide on the community.
00:49:10.000Genocides are genocides, and genocides take place of humans, not of undeveloped humans still developing fetuses that will become human beings.
00:51:23.000Many of them, by the way, if you want to talk about the mental health cost that women have after an abortion, I'm happy to talk about how most women regret having abortions, about how they have psychological damage, social damage, spiritual damage.
00:51:45.000Abortions are very, very safe and are very healthy to do.
00:51:48.000And in fact, for any woman watching this that is being forced to not consider an abortion as an option if they are not ready to have a child because maybe their husband or their partner or their parents are not allowing them to do so, please know you can get pills online from other countries even if you have to.
00:52:03.000That can do a safe, painless, easy at-home abortion, and you will not have to deal with any problems health-wise, and you're going to be all good.
00:52:11.000So know that option is out there for you.
00:52:13.000Please keep it in the middle of the day.
00:52:13.000The ease of which advocating murder scares you.
00:52:16.000You keep saying murder, and you also think fetuses are dolphins, so you don't ever take in a point that you already lost.
00:52:22.000So just to say, your main argument you keep on resorting back to is you have two pictures of a human being and a dolphin that looks similar, and you think as if that's some sort of...
00:52:33.000Your own words is that embryos haven't had a chance to exist yet, that fetuses haven't existed yet.
00:53:49.000And there cannot be infringements in the due process clause to your liberty and to your right to privacy.
00:53:55.000And the government should not go into your body.
00:53:57.000Why are there no rules or laws that affect a man's body?
00:54:01.000What if we said, here's how we're going to reduce abortion, Charlie, is every man, including you, Charlie Kirk, newly married, has to get a vasectomy that can be reversed when you're ready to have a baby.
00:55:24.000Unlike you, those seven men on the Supreme Court were able to have empathy and realize they don't know what a woman goes through to give birth and how it affects every part of their life going forward.
00:55:34.000And so they realized that the government, something you're typically in favor of, small, limited government, not infringing on people's liberties or lives, should not infringe on...
00:55:57.000So the clerk for Justice Blackman said that Roe versus Wade is intellectually suspect, the most intellectually suspect constitutional decision of the modern era.
00:56:06.000The clerk for Justice Blackmun who wrote the opinion for Roe versus Wade, the 7-2 decision that allowed 62 million of the people.
00:58:49.000Economic convenience is such a stupid, backwards, low IQ phrase for you to use.
00:58:55.000Economic convenience, what you actually mean is they cannot possibly afford the million dollars it will take to raise a child that you can afford because you were born into privilege and they weren't, but you're so privileged you also want to force them to have a baby and then vote against legislation.
00:59:10.000What's the average social welfare benefits for somebody annually with a child?
00:59:57.000You only want to force people to have babies they don't want, and you don't actually care about it because you've proven time and time again here that you don't even know exactly what a baby is.
01:00:06.000You said with your own words that it's not a life until it's born, never had a chance to exist.
01:00:10.000You only want to do it to get more followers and to be able to keep your followers on a hook because the anti-choice movement never even used to be an issue conservatives cared about pre-Roe v. Wade.
01:00:30.000And so once the sentiment of the country shifted against that and they lost that hook on people's playing to their fear and emotions, they had to shift to another emotional issue that played on misogyny and racism without being overtly misogynist and racist.
01:00:41.000So they instead said, let's control women's bodies and therefore help keep communities of color down, help keep women down, and help have men decide, like men like you, decide what's best for women, even though you can't be pregnant, never will be pregnant.
01:00:54.000And if you ever, your wife, hopefully, I hope for you have the life you want, gets pregnant, you raise a family, you'll have the means to take care of them.
01:01:00.000So it's very easy for you to sit on a high horse and say, you got to also have a baby.
01:01:12.000You haven't been able to disprove any one of them?
01:01:13.000Well, actually, we've gone through plenty of it.
01:01:15.000And just to recap, age privilege and size privilege, Ben believes just because you're older and bigger, you should be able to terminate human life.
01:01:21.000He's been unable to pinpoint one human life.
01:02:24.000I want school choice because I care about all human beings.
01:02:27.000I want more police because I care about all human beings.
01:02:30.000I want strong borders because I care about human beings.
01:02:33.000It is a lie and it is insulting to anyone who's pro-life to act as if we are only pro-baby.
01:02:39.000Everything that we advocate at this organization and over here is about the betterment and the flourishing of humanity, protection of your rights, strong education, the ability to read, the ability to go to school, not have to live in gang-infested neighborhoods.
01:03:06.000This is a drive to decide what you think will help communities that you don't understand and aren't part of.
01:03:11.000You think there should be more police.
01:03:12.000So the ability to read is something that I'm saying.
01:03:15.000Reading is great, but you constantly denigrate the Black Lives Matter movement and the opinions of the black community that tell you what you are telling them and dictating as their white savior what they should want is not in fact the reality they live.
01:03:51.000Well, Patrice Cullers goes on bashing capitalist enterprises, saying that she's a Marxist, gets rich while her followers continually have to send her kids to bad schools.
01:04:50.000So somebody who decides to have an abortion, then by your own definition, is a murderer, unless you not only think women shouldn't be able to, or maybe aren't intelligent enough or independent enough to decide what to do with their own bodies, but also they're so naive, they're always convinced against their will to have an abortion.
01:05:07.000If not, then you're friends with murderers.
01:05:11.000Abortionists are the ones doing the procedure.
01:07:50.000Somewhere holding for me when they're viable, but that's not my decision to make.
01:07:53.000But shouldn't the laws reflect morality?
01:07:56.000Bring this point home for me because you're so important that you're encouraging millions of people to not have the right to decide for their own body.
01:08:02.000The one place you think government should be big and huge is deciding.
01:10:04.000You would never be more angry at a mother that killed a living baby at three years old than you would if they killed a baby at one year old.
01:10:31.000Now, tell me how an abortion happens, Ben, since you're such an expert.
01:10:35.000You dilate the cervix, and you go in there with a tube, and you suction out the tiny half an inch, large 0.025 of an ounce embryo, and it doesn't get a chance to become a human.
01:10:52.000What does the baby do while that's happening?
01:11:31.000Ben, I really don't think you understand how grotesque and graphic and intimate and quite honestly disgusting an abortion is.
01:11:39.000How unnatural it is to go into the development of a human being, break the neck, insert oneself, and the baby is trying with everything it can to cling onto the wall of the mother and to extract that violence.
01:12:22.000But my big question is when you are clearly someone who does not believe in government overreach and you want people to be successful on their own, deciding on their own what their lives are going to be.
01:12:37.000I mean, I have a quote from you right here.
01:12:39.000You think that people should be able to fend for themselves and make their own life and make their own decisions.
01:12:44.000But for some reason, that's why you're against a lot of expanding welfare programs, expanding Medicaid, expanding prenatal care.
01:12:50.000Yet, when it comes to a woman, half the population's own body, you don't agree with your own words.
01:12:55.000You know the response before I say it.
01:12:57.000Because I believe that unborn child deserves constitutional protection and the right to flourish like you and I. Who are we as human beings, as fully developed people, to say that that being right now, six weeks in the room doesn't allow, does not have the same sort of shot at life that we have.
01:13:12.000Because we're fully developed and they're human beings who are alive.
01:13:53.000I want to prevent them from the horror of abortion.
01:13:56.000I care so much about women that I want 31 million more women that never had the chance to live for the living person to live the way you are.
01:15:38.000I believe in the current public education system in Baltimore, where in five schools, they cannot find a black child that could read at fifth grade.
01:17:23.000Crime is one of the number one reasons why businesses will not move into low-income areas.
01:17:27.000Every position I have is a pro-life position.
01:17:29.000Going from protecting the unborn child in the womb all the way to making sure you have safe streets, schools where children can read, fathers in the home, making sure people stay loyally married to their spouse, being able to make sure communities are thriving.
01:17:41.000A pro-life agenda is through the entire public policy portfolio of the conservative left-wing worldview.
01:18:02.000It seems as if the Democrat Party and the left is perfectly okay with the fact that literacy rates have gone down in inner cities, that teacher unions are making more money than ever before.
01:18:11.000They oppose charter schools and oppose private schools.
01:18:14.000This idea that somehow I don't care about the dignity of individuals as pro-life people is disgusting.
01:19:01.000Not committing crimes, getting a job, graduating high school, getting married before you have kids are moral goods that everyone should advocate for, and that's what conservatives believe.
01:19:10.000Not committing crimes and getting jobs from your position of white privilege is something that is woefully ignorant to say without a true understanding of that experience.
01:19:18.000But I think it's great that you do have a lot of those positions that would help.
01:19:21.000And I think it would be nice if you could up your empathy a little bit to help in some of these other ways.
01:19:24.000But I have two last questions for you, if I could, okay?
01:19:26.000One, here's a big one I have for you: is since I was trying to say the point and I got distracted because this is very intense.
01:19:32.000But if we agree, we see this all very differently, right?
01:19:36.000But currently, the law of the land is that a woman does have the right to choose.
01:19:40.000At least federally, that is what the law interpretation by it was never passed by Congress.
01:19:46.000Okay, point being: why don't you, if you truly care about people so much, and you claim, even though you won't talk about the woman, you claim to care about the woman, the mother, as well as the unborn child, then why don't you focus instead on the education of these people?
01:20:00.000Why don't you focus instead on making sure they have the care they need to be able to bring more children into the world, which would make you happy and would reduce abortions and not do it through draconian laws that punish them and would make it illegal if they're raped?
01:21:16.000You think that when you're trying to protect people from a pandemic, you can't infringe on someone's freedom to ask them to wear a mask because it might not spit deadly virus into their face.
01:21:26.000That's too much of an impingement on freedom for you.
01:21:28.000But you're okay with rolling back reproductive freedom.
01:21:33.000You're okay with rolling back voting access in this country.
01:21:37.000You're okay with broadly undermining our democracy by backing an insurrection literally to overthrow the election of our nation that you supported.
01:21:47.000I mean, Turning Points literally funded Trump's Jan 6 rally.
01:21:52.000That led to an insurrection attempt on our government and the death of many people, including police officers that you claim to love and care for.
01:22:01.000How do you reconcile being anti-freedom on all of those things and claiming you're pro-freedom?
01:24:28.000Because they dishonestly lie about this and they think they got one when they themselves are actually the domestic terrorists and the people that have attacked our democracy.
01:24:45.000I told you it was a circus, but if you want to email me your thoughts about it, freedom at charliekirk.com and get involved at TurningPointUSA, tpusa.com.