The Charlie Kirk Show - Unite the Tribes — A DeSantis Supporter Explains How to Bring the Party Together

00:00:00.000 Okay, everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk show, time to unite the clans and the tribes.

00:00:04.000 Josh Hammer with some excellent commentary, former DeSantis supporter.

00:00:08.000 It's time to bring everyone together, and it's time for us to win, win, win.

00:00:13.000 Great conversation.

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00:00:17.000 And an equally interesting and important conversation with Sarah Gable Seifert from everylife.com.

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00:00:27.000 Excellent conversation about single women, marriage, hormonal birth control, and more.

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00:01:06.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:02:04.000 There is a big push by the left.

00:02:06.000 Joe Biden did a whole rally yesterday all about abortion.

00:02:12.000 We need to celebrate life.

00:02:13.000 And there is a wonderful partner of this program that we want to brag on, EveryLife.com.

00:02:18.000 It is the only pro-life diaper company.

00:02:20.000 And joining us now is Sarah Gable Seifert, who does a wonderful job running Every Life, EveryLife.com.

00:02:26.000 Sarah, welcome to the program.

00:02:28.000 Talk about the great work that Every Life is doing and the advertising campaign that has gone very, very viral.

00:02:35.000 Thank you so much for having me, Charlie.

00:02:37.000 Every Life is the first pro-life diaper company on the market.

00:02:41.000 Every other diaper company that's out there is supporting abortion financially and vocally.

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00:02:53.000 We have a premium high-performing product that can be delivered straight to your doorstep.

00:02:58.000 And really, our mission is simple, Charlie.

00:03:00.000 We believe that every child is a gift from God deserving of love, protection, and celebration.

00:03:06.000 We just launched a huge campaign in Times Square, and it was inspired by Elon Musk.

00:03:11.000 He said having children is saving the world.

00:03:13.000 And we 100% believe that.

00:03:15.000 So we blew it up on a billboard in Times Square with a message underneath that said, make more babies.

00:03:20.000 Charlie, we need more children in this world, not less.

00:03:24.000 There is a massive push for people to not have children.

00:03:28.000 We're seeing declining birth rates.

00:03:29.000 We're seeing fertility rates at a historical low of 1.67 in 2022.

00:03:35.000 23% of U.S. adults from 18 to 45 say that climate change has them reconsidering having children.

00:03:43.000 44% of non-parents 18 to 49 say that it is probably unlikely that they're going to have children at all one day.

00:03:51.000 So this is a really big message that we need to be projecting that children are actually a gift.

00:03:57.000 They are how we continue as a nation.

00:03:59.000 It's how we stay strong and they're not a burden.

00:04:02.000 They're not an inconvenience.

00:04:03.000 They don't steal your joy.

00:04:05.000 They actually are the very opposite.

00:04:06.000 They are a gift.

00:04:07.000 They are a blessing.

00:04:08.000 And we're thankful to be sharing this with Americans.

00:04:10.000 Yeah, I find the people who say they're a burden are childless.

00:04:14.000 I don't find people that have kids.

00:04:15.000 And if you say that they're a burden and you're a parent, then there's something deeply wrong with you.

00:04:21.000 I mean, so I said something similar at America Fest, and it's just, it's not controversial.

00:04:25.000 And I was attacked from every direction where people say, How dare you tell people to have children?

00:04:32.000 This is awful advice.

00:04:34.000 So, Sarah, can you riff at that from a female perspective?

00:04:37.000 Because they say, How dare you tell women this? 1.00

00:04:40.000 And so, we have, you know, we have more single young ladies in their early 30s than any other time ever. 0.91

00:04:47.000 Actually, more single young ladies than married young ladies.

00:04:51.000 I think part of that is our fault for not celebrating life well enough.

00:04:54.000 Your thoughts, Sarah?

00:04:55.000 Yeah, it was really interesting, Charlie.

00:04:57.000 When we were in New York, we actually did some man on the street interviews, and almost every single woman that was in their fertile years said that they did not believe that children were saving the world and that they were actually very content not having children.

00:05:10.000 And so, it was pretty heartbreaking to hear that this message actually is impacting hearts and minds.

00:05:15.000 And what I would say is that, man, you're buying into some serious lies because I'm a mom, I have a 14-month-old, and she has brought me more joy than anything else I could ever hope or imagine.

00:05:28.000 And I would say that from the very beginning of time, God actually called us to be fruitful and to multiply.

00:05:33.000 It's why we are here on this earth.

00:05:35.000 We are meant to do that.

00:05:37.000 And as mothers, we have a motherly instinct.

00:05:39.000 And so, these women that are not having children, they're actually burying something that is already inside of us.

00:05:45.000 So, I would say, champion that thing in you that actually does desire to not just think about yourself all of the time, but actually to pro-create and to create a legacy for yourself.

00:05:56.000 Because without children, what's our legacy?

00:05:58.000 Why are we even here?

00:05:59.000 So, I would say being a mom is the greatest gift.

00:06:01.000 At Every Life, we champion parenthood, we champion motherhood and fatherhood, and we want to see more babies, Charlie.

00:06:06.000 Yeah, so I want you guys to check out the website.

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00:06:18.000 And Sarah, we want to try to change the culture around life.

00:06:22.000 And without getting too deep into the politics of abortion, and you and I are very pro-life, there is a darkness around the fascination with abortion.

00:06:32.000 I mean, it is the over-celebration of death, or at least not of life.

00:06:39.000 And it's sad because I totally agree.

00:06:41.000 I mean, these young ladies in New York, they say that now when they're 26, but when they're 33 and they have a bunch of cats and they're a partner at some private equity firm, I don't know if they're going to still have the quote-unquote happiness they claim to have.

00:06:54.000 And, Sarah, in addition, we must be clear that corporate America, they do not want young ladies to get married.

00:07:00.000 They pay for their abortions, they pay for them to freeze their eggs. 0.93

00:07:03.000 Talk about this, Sarah, please. 1.00

00:07:05.000 Everylife.com.

00:07:06.000 Yep, that's 100% accurate. 1.00

00:07:08.000 These corporate companies do not care about their women employees having children. 1.00

00:07:14.000 They would rather them sit on the computers and crank out Excel sheets and numbers all day long.

00:07:19.000 And what we're saying at Every Life is we're doing the opposite.

00:07:22.000 We have a baby bonus program where we actually reward our employees for having children.

00:07:28.000 We'll give them $5,000 when they have a child to bless them or if they choose to adopt because we actually care about their children and them having them.

00:07:37.000 And we want to reward them for them.

00:07:38.000 We want to bless them for it.

00:07:40.000 And so I would say, yeah, the pro-choice message is strong.

00:07:43.000 It's out there.

00:07:44.000 But I'm also seeing a pro-life generation rise up and more young people also saying that children are a gift and they want to get married and they want to have children.

00:07:52.000 And so the more that we can be as a company across the board, standing for life and putting action behind it, I think we're actually going to see a lot of reward because of it.

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00:08:08.000 I want to play this piece of tape here.

00:08:10.000 It's extraordinary.

00:08:11.000 This is an OBGYN student testifying in some sort of a hearing from Wisconsin.

00:08:17.000 And she says that she and many of her classmates will not be in Wisconsin if they cannot conduct abortions.

00:08:26.000 If she cannot forcibly remove a baby with the umbilical cord, crush the skull and remove it from a mother's womb, she's out. 0.99

00:08:35.000 And I hate to be that graphic, but I hope everyone understands what an abortion actually is. 0.65

00:08:41.000 It's not a haircut.

00:08:42.000 It's a vicious procedure that is, and if you, if you're pro-choice, my only ask of you is watch an abortion through.

00:08:51.000 There's plenty, there's plenty of videos online.

00:08:52.000 And if you can stomach it and remain pro-choice, then so be it. 0.99

00:08:56.000 But don't be a hypocrite, okay? 0.99

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00:08:59.000 I think abortions should be unrestrictive.

00:09:03.000 And I think when somebody finds out in pregnancy or how far along that they are when someone finds out, they should be able to get an abortion if they want to.

00:09:14.000 And for some people, that is full term.

00:09:18.000 If I can't get abortion training here, if I can't perform abortions in my career, I will not stay in Wisconsin.

00:09:24.000 And a lot of my colleagues who are on the same track agree.

00:09:28.000 All right.

00:09:28.000 Thank you.

00:09:29.000 That'll do nothing to help our shortages.

00:09:31.000 Sarah.

00:09:32.000 It's heartbreaking.

00:09:34.000 And the reality is you're right to your point earlier, Charlie.

00:09:37.000 These young girls that are saying that they don't want children and they want full access to abortion, I think that they're going to see five years, 10 years, 20 years down the road that they're very much going to regret those statements and actually wish they would have pursued the very things that lead to life, which is getting into a beautiful marriage and having children.

00:09:55.000 That is what life is about.

00:09:57.000 That's what makes it sweet.

00:09:58.000 That's what makes it special.

00:09:59.000 So our message to young people is get married, have kids, and enjoy that because there's truly nothing better.

00:10:06.000 Look, it's a huge problem.

00:10:07.000 The civilization is in decline as far as peer numbers.

00:10:10.000 The fertility rates are down.

00:10:12.000 Testosterone rates are down.

00:10:14.000 Young ladies are less happy than they've ever been. 1.00

00:10:16.000 They're more suicidal than they've ever been.

00:10:19.000 And again, the bad guys, they say, oh, you can't connect two or three.

00:10:22.000 Well, at some point, these things start to connect, right?

00:10:26.000 When you change 5,000 years of recorded history and you immediately have young ladies on hormonal birth control, which messes with your head, hormonal birth control is a disaster. 0.88

00:10:36.000 Read about it.

00:10:37.000 It's awful.

00:10:38.000 Every young, by the way, I say this and these women come up to me and they love it.

00:10:42.000 It's like, that's like a non-political thing.

00:10:44.000 They say that hormonal birth control is out of control and there's study after study how hormonal birth control increases suicidal ideation and anxiety.

00:10:51.000 And Alex Clark mentions this a lot.

00:10:53.000 But then also they're having less children and we're wondering why it's the most suicidal, alcohol-addicted, drug-addicted generation in history.

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00:11:04.000 Because they're hiding something, something big.

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00:12:34.000 Sarah, can you just respond to that riff I was making?

00:12:37.000 You know, you have this hormonal birth control movement that is really, there's a lot of big pushback against it.

00:12:42.000 A lot of young women feel as if they have been lied to.

00:12:46.000 Please elaborate if you will.

00:12:49.000 Yeah, it's interesting, Charlie.

00:12:51.000 I actually directed a pregnancy resource center for a few years, a couple years back, and I had the opportunity to actually sit with a lot of these women who were considering abortion.

00:13:01.000 And many of them had had abortions previously.

00:13:04.000 And when we kind of talked through what that experience was like, many were experiencing depression.

00:13:10.000 They were experiencing regret.

00:13:12.000 They were lonely.

00:13:13.000 They were isolated.

00:13:14.000 They were having relationship problems, PTSD.

00:13:17.000 The list goes on and on.

00:13:19.000 And I'm going to be honest with you, I've never heard anybody say that they regret having their child, but I have heard over and over and over again that I regret my abortion.

00:13:29.000 And so I do think there is a culture and there is a message being projected to young people that abortion is the solution, that hormonal birth control is the solution, but it's not the solution.

00:13:42.000 We actually need to prioritize our health.

00:13:44.000 And the way that we prioritize our health is by getting in healthy relationships and getting married and having children and experiencing the beauty of life.

00:13:53.000 And in that comes fruitfulness and in that comes joy.

00:13:57.000 And so I would just say to all the young people that are listening, there's no better joy in this world than finding someone to spend the rest of your life with, your best friend, and producing children with them.

00:14:09.000 It is unbelievable.

00:14:10.000 I can't say enough good things about it.

00:14:12.000 And Charlie, I know you feel the same way.

00:14:13.000 I do.

00:14:13.000 So I really hope that this is.

00:14:18.000 I also think we must be very direct with, you know, some of the young ladies will say, you know, but my life will change and I can't put myself first.

00:14:24.000 You're 100% right.

00:14:25.000 You're no longer number one.

00:14:27.000 But then you're going to remain an infant.

00:14:29.000 You will remain an infant.

00:14:30.000 Infants are people that only think about themselves. 0.97

00:14:33.000 If you want to be an adult and do something bigger than yourself and have a duty and have an obligation, then yeah, you're going to lose some sleep and you're going to have some really stressful days and things outside of your control.

00:14:42.000 But that's how you grow.

00:14:44.000 You grow as a person, you grow spiritually.

00:14:46.000 And so when people say, oh my goodness, you know, it's going to be really hard.

00:14:49.000 And we have to be honest with it.

00:14:50.000 You know, this one, this whole dink thing, what is your response to this dink thing? 1.00

00:14:54.000 It's that's dual income, no kids.

00:14:56.000 They're bragging on TikTok and they say, you know, I can go to Maui and I could go to Tokyo.

00:15:00.000 And that's totally true, but you might die alone.

00:15:03.000 Sarah, your response.

00:15:04.000 I would say that's another lie.

00:15:06.000 And I would also say that, again, my husband and I had our first child.

00:15:10.000 My daughter's been on 40 plus flights now.

00:15:13.000 She goes everywhere with me.

00:15:15.000 We travel the world together.

00:15:16.000 And yeah, of course, there's times when it's challenging and we don't have a lot of sleep, but it doesn't matter because we're having so much fun traveling the world together as a family.

00:15:27.000 So this idea that being single and not having children is the best way to live your life, I would say you have not experienced life yet.

00:15:36.000 Life is so much more fun and full when you build your family.

00:15:40.000 And so I can say from experience that you got to have children.

00:15:44.000 You got to get married because there's nothing better.

00:15:47.000 So all these single people that are out there with dual incomes, great, but you're not going to leave a legacy.

00:15:54.000 And I would be asking them, you know, what are you leaving here on this earth?

00:15:58.000 What's your goal?

00:16:01.000 Where are you going to go with this?

00:16:02.000 Because there's really not much there.

00:16:04.000 There's not much substance there.

00:16:06.000 But children lead to fruit and children lead to legacy.

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00:16:30.000 Sarah, thank you so much.

00:16:31.000 Thank you so much, Charlie.

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00:17:38.000 It is time to unite the clans, unite the tribes.

00:17:42.000 And joining us now is a very smart man, formerly in the DeSantis camp, but now is trying to unite everybody together, which I enthusiastically support.

00:17:51.000 And we had Chip Roy on the program earlier, and we didn't even get to that, but we're trying to do our best to show it's time to let this primer be over and unite to defeat the Democrats.

00:18:01.000 Josh Hammer, host of the Josh Hammer Show and senior editor-at-large of Newsweek.

00:18:05.000 Josh, welcome to the program.

00:18:06.000 Is it time to unite the clans and the tribes against the Marxists?

00:18:11.000 Charlie, long time no-talk.

00:18:12.000 Hope you're doing well.

00:18:13.000 Look, it obviously is over.

00:18:14.000 I mean, this was over at the very latest, the night of the Iowa Hypothesis.

00:18:18.000 I wrote a column last Friday saying that it was time to get behind Trump.

00:18:22.000 That was a couple of days before Ron DeSantis announced that he was bowing out of the campaign.

00:18:26.000 You know, at this point, Charlie, I do hear some people who were formerly within the broader DeSantis folds who are, you know, are flirting with the possibility of going with RFK Jr., some people who are still mulling their options.

00:18:37.000 Maybe they'll just stay home this November.

00:18:40.000 You know, look, I think that everyone on the right, at the very latest, should have learned their right lessons from way back in 2016.

00:18:47.000 There was a very vibrant never-Trump movement back in 2016.

00:18:51.000 Donald Trump ended up winning around 95% of self-identified Republicans in 2016 going against Hillary Clinton.

00:18:58.000 He had a very successful presidency for the most part.

00:19:00.000 Obviously, you can pick and choose some things to be upset about.

00:19:03.000 That's why you have primaries, but he's now the candidate.

00:19:06.000 And at this point, Charlie, there is no need to overthink this.

00:19:10.000 There is no need to try to over-intellectualize or over-analyze it.

00:19:14.000 We are conservatives.

00:19:15.000 We now have someone who's going to be the nominee who was a very conservative president for the most part, who transformed the federal judiciary, something that I know firsthand about.

00:19:24.000 I clerked for a Trump nominee, the amazing judge James C. Ho down in Texas on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit.

00:19:31.000 I saw it firsthand.

00:19:32.000 When Donald Trump was president, we had sanity and stability on the world stage.

00:19:36.000 Russia was not marching into Ukraine.

00:19:37.000 Hamas was not slaughtering Jews over in Israel where I just was a couple of weeks ago.

00:19:42.000 I saw the carnage for myself.

00:19:43.000 I literally saw the effects, the carnage and the destruction of Donald Trump being absent from the White House.

00:19:50.000 So this thing is just beyond over.

00:19:52.000 Who the heck knows what RFK Jr. would do if you're thinking of possibly voting for him?

00:19:56.000 What is his foreign policy?

00:19:57.000 What is his constitutional judicial philosophy when it comes to Supreme Court picks?

00:20:01.000 It makes no sense whatsoever, Charlie.

00:20:03.000 So yes, I live in Florida.

00:20:05.000 I was an enthusiastic supporter of Governor DeSantis' campaign.

00:20:08.000 I think that he is the best governor in America.

00:20:09.000 But at this point, it is just so beyond patently obvious to me.

00:20:13.000 Bring everyone together.

00:20:14.000 Let's get Donald Trump across the finish line this fall.

00:20:17.000 Yeah, amen.

00:20:17.000 And look, I'll speak to the Trump guys, and I want you to speak to the DeSantis people.

00:20:20.000 I'll go first, which is, I totally get 48 hours, a little bitterness, built-in muscle memory.

00:20:25.000 It's all right, get it out of your system.

00:20:26.000 We're past that.

00:20:27.000 No more of these pot shots on social media.

00:20:29.000 I don't want to hear it's enough.

00:20:31.000 You guys had your couple days of taunting and all that.

00:20:33.000 It's fine.

00:20:33.000 It's totally normal.

00:20:34.000 It's a long primary.

00:20:35.000 You got to get out of your system.

00:20:36.000 We're past that.

00:20:37.000 We're at Wednesday, coming into Thursday.

00:20:39.000 Time to let that go away.

00:20:41.000 We need a consolidation.

00:20:42.000 Josh, what do you have to say to the DeSantis enthusiasts that are saying, I'm going to go work for RFK?

00:20:48.000 I'm not going to vote for Trump.

00:20:50.000 And they're fired up.

00:20:51.000 What would your message to them be?

00:20:53.000 Charlie, we live in a two-party system.

00:20:55.000 That is just a very basic reality of American politics.

00:20:57.000 Now, you have some people saying that, oh, maybe the two-party system is finally going to break this year because RFK Jr. is polling at a certain threshold.

00:21:04.000 You have this no labels thing.

00:21:06.000 You have Cornell West, who's running as a socialist, will steal votes from Joe Biden.

00:21:09.000 So there's been a lot of chatter as to maybe this could be the year where the two-party system is going to break.

00:21:14.000 But, you know, I have news for everyone out there.

00:21:16.000 The two-party system is not going anywhere.

00:21:18.000 That is simply a part.

00:21:20.000 That is very simply a part of the American political fabric at this very point.

00:21:25.000 Ross Perot came the closest in the early 1990s.

00:21:28.000 Maybe RFK Jr. maybe could break through to 15% of the national popular vote.

00:21:33.000 It's not like he's going to win any electoral college votes.

00:21:36.000 So, you know, if you actually do think that Joe Biden is as bad as I think that you should think that Joe Biden is, he has been an absolutely horrific president.

00:21:45.000 His term thus far, Charlie, I think has been considerably worse than either of Barack Obama's two terms.

00:21:50.000 And that is a very, very low floor to even try to get below.

00:21:54.000 I think that he has done it between the economy, between the foreign policy.

00:21:58.000 If you think that he is that bad, then I really don't think you have any choice but to vote for Donald Trump this fall.

00:22:04.000 And moreover, you know, I referenced the 2016 election earlier.

00:22:07.000 You know, in 2016, we saw a lot of the same kind of personal mudslinging.

00:22:10.000 I mean, back in 2016, I was a vocal supporter of Senator Ted Cruz's campaign back in the primary.

00:22:15.000 And I remember back in March of that year, how there was a story in the National Inquirer that seemed like it maybe came from Trump people about Cruz having these affairs.

00:22:23.000 And I was really disgusted by it.

00:22:25.000 But at some point, Charlie, you know, we're adults.

00:22:27.000 At some point, you have to realize that politics is a dirty business.

00:22:30.000 And this isn't necessarily about forming the best of personal relationships.

00:22:34.000 You don't need to necessarily want to go have a beer or break bread with the person that you're going to vote for.

00:22:39.000 You're going to vote for that person because you are a patriot and you love this country.

00:22:43.000 And you should entrust your political judgment to one person and one party in this case.

00:22:48.000 And in this case, that obviously is or at least should be Donald Trump and the Republican Party this fall.

00:22:53.000 Yeah.

00:22:53.000 And I look, I tend to just kind of forget quickly in politics.

00:22:57.000 I mean that, unless there's a certain group of people that I won't name on air.

00:23:01.000 There's like three or four that I won't forget.

00:23:03.000 But besides that, it's just look, it's just generally, if it's within the boundaries, I don't even want to say a fair play, but of just kind of primary contention.

00:23:11.000 You guys have just got to forgive and just wipe the slate clean.

00:23:15.000 And we have to try to put this together because, and I'm not too worried about this, Josh, because over time, this starts to fade away.

00:23:24.000 And, you know, and look, I fully acknowledge it.

00:23:26.000 And I said it on Sunday.

00:23:27.000 I'm going to apologize for it.

00:23:28.000 On Sunday, I sent out a spicy tweet because I was really ticked at DeSantis for staying in the race too long.

00:23:32.000 It's fine.

00:23:33.000 We're on Wednesday.

00:23:33.000 We're moving on.

00:23:34.000 I like DeSantis.

00:23:35.000 It's the way it is.

00:23:36.000 And we're at a place now, though, where it's all about defeating the Democrats.

00:23:39.000 It's bringing people together.

00:23:41.000 Now, Josh, if I can ask, though, without getting too into the rearview mirror, just can you just give us your take on what could have gone differently?

00:23:50.000 What are the lessons from the DeSantis campaign?

00:23:52.000 He's America's greatest governor.

00:23:54.000 Is there anything from your perspective that you think we can learn that you want to share?

00:23:59.000 I'm curious because you're super smart and analytical, and it might be helpful for future campaigns.

00:24:04.000 You know, Charlie, I haven't really had the time to fully put pen to paper and write down my full thoughts on this.

00:24:09.000 Obviously, the DeSantis campaign was not well run from start to finish.

00:24:13.000 I mean, going back to the infamous launch on Twitter and the Twitter space with Elon Musk last May, which, by the way, was a huge mistake right out of the gate.

00:24:20.000 You have a very telegenic family, the beautiful first lady and Casey DeSantis.

00:24:24.000 You have young, good-looking kids.

00:24:26.000 You know, it would have made a lot of sense to announce that campaign with all the televisuals, the backdrops of like a U.S. Navy base or maybe a baseball field.

00:24:34.000 The Santis is a former baseball player.

00:24:35.000 So, you know, it infamously got off to a terrible start with all the Twitter space crashes.

00:24:39.000 And unfortunately, you know, they never really found their message.

00:24:42.000 I mean, DeSantis, as authority, and I've seen his, I've seen him in action time and time again as governor.

00:24:48.000 He has a certain swagger.

00:24:49.000 The way that he talks to the media, the way that he vetoes legislation, the way that he can bully people on his own side to get them in line and get bills across the finish line, sign into law.

00:24:58.000 He never was able to get that swagger to the national stage.

00:25:02.000 You know, back in, I think, I guess it was last summer, last May or June, as the campaign was revving up, they had this campaign slogan, Great American Comeback.

00:25:10.000 And, you know, unfortunately, Charlie, I'm not sure that I could tell you exactly what the Great American Comeback ever was or ever was intended to be.

00:25:17.000 They never had a message.

00:25:18.000 And then you kind of combine that with the fact that the DeSantis campaign put a lot of chips, a lot of eggs into the basket of Iowa, which makes sense to an extent.

00:25:26.000 I mean, he's a very conservative governor.

00:25:28.000 So you want to go for the more avowedly conservative evangelical of the early voting states.

00:25:33.000 I understand that calculation.

00:25:35.000 But whoever was advising him to kind of put on the sweater vest and do kind of like the dad joke kind of thing, you know, totally robbing DeSantis of his most natural element, which is just being a fiery right-wing populist conservative.

00:25:47.000 So it was just a total mismatch from start to finish.

00:25:50.000 In retrospect, I don't think that anyone could have beaten Donald Trump this cycle.

00:25:55.000 Maybe that should have been obvious at the time.

00:25:56.000 I mean, you know, there was polling after the November 2022 midterm that showed DeSantis and Trump fairly neck and neck.

00:26:03.000 So I don't think it was crazy to think at that time like you might have had a shot.

00:26:07.000 But in retrospect, certainly, I don't think it was actually possible to beat Donald Trump this cycle.

00:26:11.000 I think that's good analysis.

00:26:12.000 Okay, let's, I want to now shift gears to Nikki Haley.

00:26:16.000 Nikki is continuing this primary.

00:26:18.000 It's one of the most delusional things I've ever seen. 0.70

00:26:20.000 I mean, she's acting as if she's a winner every time you go around here.

00:26:23.000 What's your take on Nikki Haley?

00:26:24.000 How damaging is this to the party?

00:26:26.000 What ideas does she represent, Josh Hammer? 1.00

00:26:29.000 Charlie, I think Nikki Haley is absolutely terrible.

00:26:31.000 In fact, before DeSantis dropped out, this is part of my column that I wrote last Friday, which is that I said that DeSantis should come back to Tallahassee and that he should probably do so before the New Hampshire primary for the very simple reason that more of his voters in New Hampshire and elsewhere will go to Trump than for Haley.

00:26:47.000 And that Nikki Haley poses a unique threat to take the Republican Party back to the pre-2016 status quo ante, to the way it used to be to the party of Paul Ryan, the party of John McCain, of globalism, of neoconservatism all around the world.

00:27:02.000 And, you know, not to toot my own horror, but that's basically exactly what DeSantis did.

00:27:05.000 I mean, he dropped that on Sunday and he condemned Nikki Haley in not so subtle language.

00:27:09.000 And he was emphatically correct to do so.

00:27:11.000 Nikki Haley, Charlie, is the exact opposite, I think, of what people on the right like you, me, and so many others stand for.

00:27:17.000 We are trying to take the conservative movement, trying to take the Republican Party in a direction that is more in tune with the tangible bread and butter day-to-day interests of a working class and middle class party.

00:27:29.000 The Republican Party at this point is, you know, is the party of white t-shirt, blue jeans, and I was going to say butt of light, but I guess not butt light.

00:27:36.000 I guess we'll say chorus light at this point.

00:27:37.000 You know, it's not the party of Rose and Martinis and country club memberships that maybe it was 60, 70 years ago.

00:27:44.000 And the Wall Street Journal Editorial Board and folks like that, National Review, they haven't gotten the message yet.

00:27:48.000 Nikki Haley, unfortunately, at this point, is simply trying to appease and kowtow to her donors who read publications like the Wall Street Journal Editorial Board.

00:27:56.000 They're not listening to the Charlie Kirk show or the Josh Hammer show or interests or media organizations like that. 1.00

00:28:02.000 She's a total throwback. 1.00

00:28:04.000 I think that she is extraordinarily dangerous and is very, very important.

00:28:07.000 And if any of the momentum from the post-2016 conservative movement is to prevail into the future, then it is existentially important that Nikki Haley be swiftly defeated.

00:28:17.000 I hope that South Carolina is her last stand if she's not out before then. 0.99

00:28:21.000 Yeah, I mean, she's setting herself up for failure there in humiliation. 0.67

00:28:26.000 It's an unnecessary extra month.

00:28:28.000 I think Donald Trump should declare himself the presumptive nominee.

00:28:31.000 He needs to start just acting like it, raising money for it.

00:28:34.000 I think he should de-emphasize ground staff in these states, deploy them immediately to Arizona, Wisconsin, Georgia.

00:28:40.000 Trump has to just say, I'm the nominee.

00:28:42.000 This is a waste of time.

00:28:43.000 And by the way, I'm just so insulted.

00:28:45.000 Nikki Haley says, and next we head to South Carolina.

00:28:48.000 Hey, hello.

00:28:49.000 There's a Nevada caucus that's and that's a big state.

00:28:52.000 He says, how insulting?

00:28:53.000 You just get to pick what states you go to.

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00:30:10.000 So, Josh, I want you to react to this.

00:30:13.000 There has been tape after tape after tape of the media, especially center-right media last evening on cable news, trying to push for Nikki Haley as vice president.

00:30:23.000 I want to consolidate the DeSantis support.

00:30:26.000 I want to consolidate true conservatives.

00:30:29.000 I can't imagine that the DeSantis kind of Trump camps that are now merging into one. 0.92

00:30:34.000 I think there'd be widespread anger if Nikki Haley ended up becoming vice president.

00:30:39.000 Riff on that and then list some names of some people that you think would be strategic and smart.

00:30:45.000 You don't have to say, just list a name just generally.

00:30:48.000 I'd be curious what you have to think. 1.00

00:30:49.000 Yeah, Nikki Haley would be a disaster as vice president, Charlie. 0.99

00:30:52.000 There is literally no reason to do that whatsoever. 0.99

00:30:57.000 There is one possible reason that I could only think of, and that is her access to donors. 0.97

00:31:02.000 She is very cozy with a lot of donors.

00:31:04.000 She has a lot of access to Wall Street hedge fund, private equity billionaires of that sort.

00:31:08.000 So, if the very short-term calculation is to provide the presumptive nominee Donald Trump access to donors for purposes of helping fund his exorbitant legal bills from the Democrats' sprawling lawfare operation, that is literally the only reason out there.

00:31:23.000 Now, from a substantive conservative perspective, there is no reason whatsoever.

00:31:27.000 And from that, from that perspective, I sincerely hope that he does not do it.

00:31:31.000 I don't want Nikki Haley anywhere near Donald Trump's presidency if he goes ahead and defeats Joe Biden this November.

00:31:37.000 I don't care if it's vice president, secretary of state.

00:31:39.000 You know, literally the only job maybe that Nikki Haley would be okay for was her old job in the Trump administration, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, because Charlie, that's also the easiest job in the world. 1.00

00:31:50.000 You basically go to this ridiculous cesspool of moral villainy there in New York City. 0.90

00:31:55.000 You flip your two middle fingers at tin pod dictators and radical Islamists, and you call it a day. 0.98

00:32:00.000 It's the easiest job in the world.

00:32:01.000 As far as people who I would like to see as vice president, the number one name that keeps on coming to mind for me, Charlie, would be my friend JD Vance.

00:32:09.000 I've known JV for years now.

00:32:11.000 I am a huge, huge fan of his.

00:32:12.000 I think that he has his finger 100% on the pulse of where the conservative movement is, where the Republican Party is.

00:32:19.000 He is exactly the kind of dynamic figure who we need to solidify the Republican Party as the party of the working in the middle class.

00:32:25.000 He is a brilliant policy savant when it comes to rethinking political economy.

00:32:29.000 His foreign policy is exactly right.

00:32:32.000 I think that would be a tremendous asset for Donald Trump this fall.

00:32:34.000 I think that's smart.

00:32:35.000 And I also, he's a great family man.

00:32:37.000 He would do very well in the Midwest.

00:32:40.000 What do you think about a Ben Carson and some of these other whispers?

00:32:44.000 I'm a little worried about Elise Stefanik. 0.62

00:32:46.000 She's a little too establishment for me.

00:32:48.000 You know, they're talking about Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Christy Noam.

00:32:52.000 What are your thoughts on some of these names?

00:32:54.000 I like Sarah Huckabee Sanders.

00:32:55.000 I've been very impressed with Sarah Huckabee Sanders for years now.

00:32:59.000 I think that she was extraordinarily capable when she served in the Trump White House, and she's been a very good governor in Arkansas, from what I can tell as well.

00:33:06.000 So, you know, if Trump wants to go with a woman, I think Sarah Huckabee Sanders probably would be my top choice.

00:33:12.000 I'm hearing recently, Charlie, about Katie Britt in Alabama.

00:33:16.000 I honestly don't know what's fun about her.

00:33:17.000 I mean, she was a Chamber of Commerce person when she was a family. 0.99

00:33:21.000 Oh, no, she's McConnell in a dress.

00:33:23.000 No, not her. 0.61

00:33:24.000 No way.

00:33:25.000 No, Yeah, I hope so.

00:33:27.000 Yeah, I mean, I would not support that either.

00:33:29.000 So Sarah Huckabee Sanders would be my favorite if he's going to go with the woman.

00:33:32.000 I share your concerns about Elise Stephanie.

00:33:34.000 Elise Stephaniek has her moment in the sun right now because of her grilling of the Harvard presidents.

00:33:39.000 She did great.

00:33:40.000 She did great there.

00:33:40.000 But if you look at her track record, there are a lot, a lot of very troubling question marks.

00:33:45.000 She has been wobbly to put it mildly on the transgender issue that is a civilizational defining issue.

00:33:50.000 She would definitely not be my first choice.

00:33:52.000 Ben Carson is a soft-spoken man.

00:33:55.000 He's a good man.

00:33:55.000 He is a man of faith.

00:33:57.000 I'm not entirely sure that that's really the right pick for Trump this fall either, but I wouldn't necessarily oppose it.

00:34:01.000 I just don't really see the point for it.

00:34:03.000 It depends on what type of race we have to end up running.

00:34:08.000 If no labels, Cornell West, and RFK are all in the mix, then we have to maximize base support.

00:34:13.000 And that goes straight to the faith community and bringing people of faith home.

00:34:17.000 And Ben Carson does that.

00:34:18.000 He'll bring, he has a calming influence for suburban voters that might agree with Trump on policy, but they don't like the style.

00:34:26.000 He's a calming influence.

00:34:27.000 And also, Ben could potentially address some of the COVID vaccine anxiety that led some of the enthusiasm for DeSantis and for RFK.

00:34:36.000 He's a medical doctor.

00:34:38.000 He spoke out against the vaccine.

00:34:39.000 He said, you can't trust this technology.

00:34:41.000 He said the CDC lies to you.

00:34:43.000 And no one is going to outrank Dr. Ben Carson when it comes to actually being in an operating room.

00:34:50.000 I mean, Dr. Fauci is a celebrity TV doctor.

00:34:53.000 Dr. Ben Carson has saved lives.

00:34:56.000 And I also just think that it's this unique thing.

00:34:59.000 He's not a politician in the sense that he served as HUD.

00:35:02.000 That's fine, but he has a great story to tell.

00:35:04.000 A story I tell people about Ben Carson.

00:35:05.000 Like, really?

00:35:06.000 I didn't know that.

00:35:07.000 Anyway, I'm not totally sold on it, but it's way better than Nikki Haley and Elise Stefanik.

00:35:12.000 Something to think about.

00:35:13.000 Josh, thank you so much.

00:35:15.000 You bet, Charlie.

00:35:15.000 Anytime.

00:35:16.000 And remember, it's not brain surgery to be vice president.

00:35:20.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:35:21.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:35:23.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - January 25, 2024

Unite the Tribes — A DeSantis Supporter Explains How to Bring the Party Together

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