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00:04:55.000Yeah, it was really interesting, Charlie.
00:04:57.000When we were in New York, we actually did some man on the street interviews, and almost every single woman that was in their fertile years said that they did not believe that children were saving the world and that they were actually very content not having children.
00:05:10.000And so, it was pretty heartbreaking to hear that this message actually is impacting hearts and minds.
00:05:15.000And what I would say is that, man, you're buying into some serious lies because I'm a mom, I have a 14-month-old, and she has brought me more joy than anything else I could ever hope or imagine.
00:05:28.000And I would say that from the very beginning of time, God actually called us to be fruitful and to multiply.
00:05:37.000And as mothers, we have a motherly instinct.
00:05:39.000And so, these women that are not having children, they're actually burying something that is already inside of us.
00:05:45.000So, I would say, champion that thing in you that actually does desire to not just think about yourself all of the time, but actually to pro-create and to create a legacy for yourself.
00:05:56.000Because without children, what's our legacy?
00:06:14.000They do a great job changing diapers, changing lives.
00:06:18.000And Sarah, we want to try to change the culture around life.
00:06:22.000And without getting too deep into the politics of abortion, and you and I are very pro-life, there is a darkness around the fascination with abortion.
00:06:32.000I mean, it is the over-celebration of death, or at least not of life.
00:06:41.000I mean, these young ladies in New York, they say that now when they're 26, but when they're 33 and they have a bunch of cats and they're a partner at some private equity firm, I don't know if they're going to still have the quote-unquote happiness they claim to have.
00:06:54.000And, Sarah, in addition, we must be clear that corporate America, they do not want young ladies to get married.
00:07:00.000They pay for their abortions, they pay for them to freeze their eggs.
00:07:08.000These corporate companies do not care about their women employees having children.
00:07:14.000They would rather them sit on the computers and crank out Excel sheets and numbers all day long.
00:07:19.000And what we're saying at Every Life is we're doing the opposite.
00:07:22.000We have a baby bonus program where we actually reward our employees for having children.
00:07:28.000We'll give them $5,000 when they have a child to bless them or if they choose to adopt because we actually care about their children and them having them.
00:07:44.000But I'm also seeing a pro-life generation rise up and more young people also saying that children are a gift and they want to get married and they want to have children.
00:07:52.000And so the more that we can be as a company across the board, standing for life and putting action behind it, I think we're actually going to see a lot of reward because of it.
00:08:59.000I think abortions should be unrestrictive.
00:09:03.000And I think when somebody finds out in pregnancy or how far along that they are when someone finds out, they should be able to get an abortion if they want to.
00:09:14.000And for some people, that is full term.
00:09:18.000If I can't get abortion training here, if I can't perform abortions in my career, I will not stay in Wisconsin.
00:09:24.000And a lot of my colleagues who are on the same track agree.
00:09:34.000And the reality is you're right to your point earlier, Charlie.
00:09:37.000These young girls that are saying that they don't want children and they want full access to abortion, I think that they're going to see five years, 10 years, 20 years down the road that they're very much going to regret those statements and actually wish they would have pursued the very things that lead to life, which is getting into a beautiful marriage and having children.
00:10:14.000Young ladies are less happy than they've ever been.
00:10:16.000They're more suicidal than they've ever been.
00:10:19.000And again, the bad guys, they say, oh, you can't connect two or three.
00:10:22.000Well, at some point, these things start to connect, right?
00:10:26.000When you change 5,000 years of recorded history and you immediately have young ladies on hormonal birth control, which messes with your head, hormonal birth control is a disaster.
00:10:38.000Every young, by the way, I say this and these women come up to me and they love it.
00:10:42.000It's like, that's like a non-political thing.
00:10:44.000They say that hormonal birth control is out of control and there's study after study how hormonal birth control increases suicidal ideation and anxiety.
00:10:53.000But then also they're having less children and we're wondering why it's the most suicidal, alcohol-addicted, drug-addicted generation in history.
00:12:51.000I actually directed a pregnancy resource center for a few years, a couple years back, and I had the opportunity to actually sit with a lot of these women who were considering abortion.
00:13:01.000And many of them had had abortions previously.
00:13:04.000And when we kind of talked through what that experience was like, many were experiencing depression.
00:13:19.000And I'm going to be honest with you, I've never heard anybody say that they regret having their child, but I have heard over and over and over again that I regret my abortion.
00:13:29.000And so I do think there is a culture and there is a message being projected to young people that abortion is the solution, that hormonal birth control is the solution, but it's not the solution.
00:13:42.000We actually need to prioritize our health.
00:13:44.000And the way that we prioritize our health is by getting in healthy relationships and getting married and having children and experiencing the beauty of life.
00:13:53.000And in that comes fruitfulness and in that comes joy.
00:13:57.000And so I would just say to all the young people that are listening, there's no better joy in this world than finding someone to spend the rest of your life with, your best friend, and producing children with them.
00:14:18.000I also think we must be very direct with, you know, some of the young ladies will say, you know, but my life will change and I can't put myself first.
00:14:30.000Infants are people that only think about themselves.
00:14:33.000If you want to be an adult and do something bigger than yourself and have a duty and have an obligation, then yeah, you're going to lose some sleep and you're going to have some really stressful days and things outside of your control.
00:15:16.000And yeah, of course, there's times when it's challenging and we don't have a lot of sleep, but it doesn't matter because we're having so much fun traveling the world together as a family.
00:15:27.000So this idea that being single and not having children is the best way to live your life, I would say you have not experienced life yet.
00:15:36.000Life is so much more fun and full when you build your family.
00:15:40.000And so I can say from experience that you got to have children.
00:15:44.000You got to get married because there's nothing better.
00:15:47.000So all these single people that are out there with dual incomes, great, but you're not going to leave a legacy.
00:15:54.000And I would be asking them, you know, what are you leaving here on this earth?
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00:17:38.000It is time to unite the clans, unite the tribes.
00:17:42.000And joining us now is a very smart man, formerly in the DeSantis camp, but now is trying to unite everybody together, which I enthusiastically support.
00:17:51.000And we had Chip Roy on the program earlier, and we didn't even get to that, but we're trying to do our best to show it's time to let this primer be over and unite to defeat the Democrats.
00:18:01.000Josh Hammer, host of the Josh Hammer Show and senior editor-at-large of Newsweek.
00:18:14.000I mean, this was over at the very latest, the night of the Iowa Hypothesis.
00:18:18.000I wrote a column last Friday saying that it was time to get behind Trump.
00:18:22.000That was a couple of days before Ron DeSantis announced that he was bowing out of the campaign.
00:18:26.000You know, at this point, Charlie, I do hear some people who were formerly within the broader DeSantis folds who are, you know, are flirting with the possibility of going with RFK Jr., some people who are still mulling their options.
00:18:37.000Maybe they'll just stay home this November.
00:18:40.000You know, look, I think that everyone on the right, at the very latest, should have learned their right lessons from way back in 2016.
00:18:47.000There was a very vibrant never-Trump movement back in 2016.
00:18:51.000Donald Trump ended up winning around 95% of self-identified Republicans in 2016 going against Hillary Clinton.
00:18:58.000He had a very successful presidency for the most part.
00:19:00.000Obviously, you can pick and choose some things to be upset about.
00:19:03.000That's why you have primaries, but he's now the candidate.
00:19:06.000And at this point, Charlie, there is no need to overthink this.
00:19:10.000There is no need to try to over-intellectualize or over-analyze it.
00:19:15.000We now have someone who's going to be the nominee who was a very conservative president for the most part, who transformed the federal judiciary, something that I know firsthand about.
00:19:24.000I clerked for a Trump nominee, the amazing judge James C. Ho down in Texas on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit.
00:20:53.000Charlie, we live in a two-party system.
00:20:55.000That is just a very basic reality of American politics.
00:20:57.000Now, you have some people saying that, oh, maybe the two-party system is finally going to break this year because RFK Jr. is polling at a certain threshold.
00:21:20.000That is very simply a part of the American political fabric at this very point.
00:21:25.000Ross Perot came the closest in the early 1990s.
00:21:28.000Maybe RFK Jr. maybe could break through to 15% of the national popular vote.
00:21:33.000It's not like he's going to win any electoral college votes.
00:21:36.000So, you know, if you actually do think that Joe Biden is as bad as I think that you should think that Joe Biden is, he has been an absolutely horrific president.
00:21:45.000His term thus far, Charlie, I think has been considerably worse than either of Barack Obama's two terms.
00:21:50.000And that is a very, very low floor to even try to get below.
00:21:54.000I think that he has done it between the economy, between the foreign policy.
00:21:58.000If you think that he is that bad, then I really don't think you have any choice but to vote for Donald Trump this fall.
00:22:04.000And moreover, you know, I referenced the 2016 election earlier.
00:22:07.000You know, in 2016, we saw a lot of the same kind of personal mudslinging.
00:22:10.000I mean, back in 2016, I was a vocal supporter of Senator Ted Cruz's campaign back in the primary.
00:22:15.000And I remember back in March of that year, how there was a story in the National Inquirer that seemed like it maybe came from Trump people about Cruz having these affairs.
00:22:53.000And I look, I tend to just kind of forget quickly in politics.
00:22:57.000I mean that, unless there's a certain group of people that I won't name on air.
00:23:01.000There's like three or four that I won't forget.
00:23:03.000But besides that, it's just look, it's just generally, if it's within the boundaries, I don't even want to say a fair play, but of just kind of primary contention.
00:23:11.000You guys have just got to forgive and just wipe the slate clean.
00:23:15.000And we have to try to put this together because, and I'm not too worried about this, Josh, because over time, this starts to fade away.
00:23:24.000And, you know, and look, I fully acknowledge it.
00:23:41.000Now, Josh, if I can ask, though, without getting too into the rearview mirror, just can you just give us your take on what could have gone differently?
00:23:50.000What are the lessons from the DeSantis campaign?
00:23:54.000Is there anything from your perspective that you think we can learn that you want to share?
00:23:59.000I'm curious because you're super smart and analytical, and it might be helpful for future campaigns.
00:24:04.000You know, Charlie, I haven't really had the time to fully put pen to paper and write down my full thoughts on this.
00:24:09.000Obviously, the DeSantis campaign was not well run from start to finish.
00:24:13.000I mean, going back to the infamous launch on Twitter and the Twitter space with Elon Musk last May, which, by the way, was a huge mistake right out of the gate.
00:24:20.000You have a very telegenic family, the beautiful first lady and Casey DeSantis.
00:24:26.000You know, it would have made a lot of sense to announce that campaign with all the televisuals, the backdrops of like a U.S. Navy base or maybe a baseball field.
00:24:34.000The Santis is a former baseball player.
00:24:35.000So, you know, it infamously got off to a terrible start with all the Twitter space crashes.
00:24:39.000And unfortunately, you know, they never really found their message.
00:24:42.000I mean, DeSantis, as authority, and I've seen his, I've seen him in action time and time again as governor.
00:24:49.000The way that he talks to the media, the way that he vetoes legislation, the way that he can bully people on his own side to get them in line and get bills across the finish line, sign into law.
00:24:58.000He never was able to get that swagger to the national stage.
00:25:02.000You know, back in, I think, I guess it was last summer, last May or June, as the campaign was revving up, they had this campaign slogan, Great American Comeback.
00:25:10.000And, you know, unfortunately, Charlie, I'm not sure that I could tell you exactly what the Great American Comeback ever was or ever was intended to be.
00:25:18.000And then you kind of combine that with the fact that the DeSantis campaign put a lot of chips, a lot of eggs into the basket of Iowa, which makes sense to an extent.
00:25:26.000I mean, he's a very conservative governor.
00:25:28.000So you want to go for the more avowedly conservative evangelical of the early voting states.
00:25:35.000But whoever was advising him to kind of put on the sweater vest and do kind of like the dad joke kind of thing, you know, totally robbing DeSantis of his most natural element, which is just being a fiery right-wing populist conservative.
00:25:47.000So it was just a total mismatch from start to finish.
00:25:50.000In retrospect, I don't think that anyone could have beaten Donald Trump this cycle.
00:25:55.000Maybe that should have been obvious at the time.
00:25:56.000I mean, you know, there was polling after the November 2022 midterm that showed DeSantis and Trump fairly neck and neck.
00:26:03.000So I don't think it was crazy to think at that time like you might have had a shot.
00:26:07.000But in retrospect, certainly, I don't think it was actually possible to beat Donald Trump this cycle.
00:26:26.000What ideas does she represent, Josh Hammer?
00:26:29.000Charlie, I think Nikki Haley is absolutely terrible.
00:26:31.000In fact, before DeSantis dropped out, this is part of my column that I wrote last Friday, which is that I said that DeSantis should come back to Tallahassee and that he should probably do so before the New Hampshire primary for the very simple reason that more of his voters in New Hampshire and elsewhere will go to Trump than for Haley.
00:26:47.000And that Nikki Haley poses a unique threat to take the Republican Party back to the pre-2016 status quo ante, to the way it used to be to the party of Paul Ryan, the party of John McCain, of globalism, of neoconservatism all around the world.
00:27:02.000And, you know, not to toot my own horror, but that's basically exactly what DeSantis did.
00:27:05.000I mean, he dropped that on Sunday and he condemned Nikki Haley in not so subtle language.
00:27:09.000And he was emphatically correct to do so.
00:27:11.000Nikki Haley, Charlie, is the exact opposite, I think, of what people on the right like you, me, and so many others stand for.
00:27:17.000We are trying to take the conservative movement, trying to take the Republican Party in a direction that is more in tune with the tangible bread and butter day-to-day interests of a working class and middle class party.
00:27:29.000The Republican Party at this point is, you know, is the party of white t-shirt, blue jeans, and I was going to say butt of light, but I guess not butt light.
00:27:36.000I guess we'll say chorus light at this point.
00:27:37.000You know, it's not the party of Rose and Martinis and country club memberships that maybe it was 60, 70 years ago.
00:27:44.000And the Wall Street Journal Editorial Board and folks like that, National Review, they haven't gotten the message yet.
00:27:48.000Nikki Haley, unfortunately, at this point, is simply trying to appease and kowtow to her donors who read publications like the Wall Street Journal Editorial Board.
00:27:56.000They're not listening to the Charlie Kirk show or the Josh Hammer show or interests or media organizations like that.
00:28:04.000I think that she is extraordinarily dangerous and is very, very important.
00:28:07.000And if any of the momentum from the post-2016 conservative movement is to prevail into the future, then it is existentially important that Nikki Haley be swiftly defeated.
00:28:17.000I hope that South Carolina is her last stand if she's not out before then.
00:28:21.000Yeah, I mean, she's setting herself up for failure there in humiliation.
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00:30:10.000So, Josh, I want you to react to this.
00:30:13.000There has been tape after tape after tape of the media, especially center-right media last evening on cable news, trying to push for Nikki Haley as vice president.
00:30:23.000I want to consolidate the DeSantis support.
00:30:26.000I want to consolidate true conservatives.
00:30:29.000I can't imagine that the DeSantis kind of Trump camps that are now merging into one.
00:30:34.000I think there'd be widespread anger if Nikki Haley ended up becoming vice president.
00:30:39.000Riff on that and then list some names of some people that you think would be strategic and smart.
00:30:45.000You don't have to say, just list a name just generally.
00:30:48.000I'd be curious what you have to think.
00:30:49.000Yeah, Nikki Haley would be a disaster as vice president, Charlie.
00:30:52.000There is literally no reason to do that whatsoever.
00:30:57.000There is one possible reason that I could only think of, and that is her access to donors.
00:31:02.000She is very cozy with a lot of donors.
00:31:04.000She has a lot of access to Wall Street hedge fund, private equity billionaires of that sort.
00:31:08.000So, if the very short-term calculation is to provide the presumptive nominee Donald Trump access to donors for purposes of helping fund his exorbitant legal bills from the Democrats' sprawling lawfare operation, that is literally the only reason out there.
00:31:23.000Now, from a substantive conservative perspective, there is no reason whatsoever.
00:31:27.000And from that, from that perspective, I sincerely hope that he does not do it.
00:31:31.000I don't want Nikki Haley anywhere near Donald Trump's presidency if he goes ahead and defeats Joe Biden this November.
00:31:37.000I don't care if it's vice president, secretary of state.
00:31:39.000You know, literally the only job maybe that Nikki Haley would be okay for was her old job in the Trump administration, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, because Charlie, that's also the easiest job in the world.
00:31:50.000You basically go to this ridiculous cesspool of moral villainy there in New York City.
00:31:55.000You flip your two middle fingers at tin pod dictators and radical Islamists, and you call it a day.
00:32:01.000As far as people who I would like to see as vice president, the number one name that keeps on coming to mind for me, Charlie, would be my friend JD Vance.
00:32:55.000I've been very impressed with Sarah Huckabee Sanders for years now.
00:32:59.000I think that she was extraordinarily capable when she served in the Trump White House, and she's been a very good governor in Arkansas, from what I can tell as well.
00:33:06.000So, you know, if Trump wants to go with a woman, I think Sarah Huckabee Sanders probably would be my top choice.
00:33:12.000I'm hearing recently, Charlie, about Katie Britt in Alabama.
00:33:16.000I honestly don't know what's fun about her.
00:33:17.000I mean, she was a Chamber of Commerce person when she was a family.