The Charlie Kirk Show - May 07, 2022


Unmasking the Supreme Leaker & Playing to Win on the “New Right”


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Matt Peterson of What is the New Right and Will Chamberlain thinks he s found the Supreme Court Leaker. Who is Elizabeth Deutsch? And why does she have a particular interest in Roe v. Wade and abortion rights?

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00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.
00:00:01.000 Today at the Charlie Kirk show, Matt Peterson of What is the New Right? And Will Chamberlain, and he thinks he's found the Supreme Court leaker.
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00:02:04.000 Who is the leaker?
00:02:06.000 Who leaked the draft opinion to overturn Roe versus Wade?
00:02:11.000 What is being done to investigate this person and hold this person accountable?
00:02:15.000 Well, the great Will Chamberlain went on Twitter and just he went after it.
00:02:20.000 I'll tell you what.
00:02:21.000 He went after it in a way that was profound and was so compelling.
00:02:27.000 And the left is not happy.
00:02:29.000 Will, welcome back to the program.
00:02:31.000 Good to be with you.
00:02:32.000 Apologies for the slight baby issue.
00:02:35.000 But anyway, good to be with you.
00:02:37.000 Yes, indeed.
00:02:38.000 No problem.
00:02:38.000 So, Will, walk us through.
00:02:40.000 We have some time.
00:02:41.000 Who you believe the leaker to be?
00:02:43.000 How did you come to that conclusion?
00:02:45.000 And then how did the world react once you made it public?
00:02:49.000 So, yeah.
00:02:50.000 Well, I think the, again, we don't know because we don't have inside information or anything like that.
00:02:56.000 I'm just basing this on what I was able to dig up publicly.
00:03:00.000 But my guess, my guess is that the leaker is this clerk for Justice Breyer named Elizabeth Deutsch.
00:03:07.000 And there are two real basic reasons.
00:03:09.000 One is that her academic and professional history demonstrates that she has a unique focus on abortion and reproductive rights.
00:03:18.000 Like that's from the time she was in law school, her law school note, her fellowship at the ACLU, her clerkships, her op-ed writing, like they've all been like laser focused on abortion and women's issues.
00:03:31.000 I mean, a good example would be that her law school note was focused on looking at how you could use the non-discrimination provisions in Obamacare to try and force Catholic hospitals to perform emergency abortions. 0.68
00:03:45.000 So that's part one of it.
00:03:46.000 Obviously, in and of itself, it doesn't really prove much.
00:03:49.000 That's okay. 0.61
00:03:52.000 We're very pro-baby as we talk about Roe versus Wade. 0.59
00:03:54.000 So don't worry. 0.98
00:03:55.000 That's okay.
00:03:57.000 I will filibuster as Will does the more important thing, which is to be a father.
00:04:02.000 No, that's okay.
00:04:03.000 That's perfectly understandable.
00:04:06.000 Just tell me, continue if you're ready.
00:04:09.000 Yeah.
00:04:10.000 So, and then the second part of it is that she has a personal connection to Josh Gerstein, who is the author of the political article and the recipient of the leak of the draft opinion.
00:04:21.000 The draft opinion essentially could only really have come from Chambers, like first and foremost.
00:04:28.000 It's and also his knowledge.
00:04:29.000 But moreover, like they, this woman, Josh Gerstein attended her wedding and is close friends with her husband, Isaac Arnsdorf.
00:04:40.000 They actually bylined articles together at Politico.
00:04:42.000 So she has this very, very direct connection, like personal connection to the guy who leaked the article.
00:04:47.000 So you have personal motivation, a direct personal connection to beer personal leaky article.
00:04:51.000 And I don't think either of those two things are really met.
00:04:53.000 Can I interrupt though?
00:04:54.000 Can I just interrupt?
00:04:55.000 So like, how many clerks are there?
00:04:56.000 Like, so how big is the pool of people we're looking at?
00:04:58.000 Like, I have no idea.
00:05:00.000 I mean, we're talking less than 40 clerks, right?
00:05:02.000 Okay.
00:05:02.000 For each act of justice.
00:05:04.000 Oh, no, that's less, though, because, I mean, it's not Clarence Thomas's clerk isn't going to do it.
00:05:08.000 Is that correct?
00:05:09.000 Right.
00:05:09.000 And realistically, like, if you're talking about the liberal clerks, we're talking 12.
00:05:12.000 Okay.
00:05:12.000 So you're talking about a population of 12 people.
00:05:16.000 Yeah.
00:05:16.000 And possibly administrative staff.
00:05:18.000 No, I don't think so.
00:05:20.000 Again, I don't know.
00:05:21.000 How do they get it to Politico, right?
00:05:22.000 That's that's the question.
00:05:24.000 Right.
00:05:24.000 And also the thing about the political article is Josh Gerstein didn't just have the draft opinion, he had the vote count, the current vote count on DOC.
00:05:32.000 Interesting.
00:05:32.000 That's such a good point.
00:05:33.000 Right.
00:05:34.000 Yeah.
00:05:34.000 And so if you have the current vote count, the administrative staff isn't going to have a good handle on that, most likely.
00:05:39.000 It's going to be the clerks and the people who are talking to the justices.
00:05:42.000 So this is just a leak from straight in chambers.
00:05:45.000 Odds are really high.
00:05:46.000 And so the question is, okay, which of these clerks is like most likely to leak it?
00:05:51.000 And we can get to the next part, which is how the left reacted to this.
00:05:55.000 They're just acting like this is inconceivable that people would speculate as to the identity of the leaker when there's a limited universe of people that it could be.
00:06:03.000 Yeah, I mean, exactly.
00:06:04.000 We're not talking about like a congressional staff here.
00:06:07.000 I mean, this is a, and this is, but, and Will, you're, you're a legal, you know, expert, Article 3 Project, uh, senior counsel.
00:06:13.000 Has this ever happened before, a leak like this?
00:06:16.000 No, never.
00:06:17.000 Uh, I think you talked with Mike Davis about this, I assume.
00:06:19.000 And I mean, he would have said the same thing.
00:06:21.000 This is completely unprecedented, right?
00:06:23.000 The leak of a draft opinion prior to the judgment leaked with the intention of trying to either, you know, change the vote or rile up public outrage.
00:06:33.000 It's insane.
00:06:35.000 It completely will break the way the court works.
00:06:37.000 It's unclear whether they'll be able to have temporary clerks in the future at all.
00:06:41.000 Like they might have to completely change the way the court has done business for 100 years because this has never happened.
00:06:46.000 They've always assumed that the risk of career damage for someone who's worked so hard to get a Supreme Court clerkship was enough to keep people online, but apparently not.
00:06:54.000 Yeah.
00:06:55.000 And so I suppose the calculus by this woman, what's her name again?
00:06:59.000 This woman's name?
00:07:00.000 Elizabeth Deutsch.
00:07:01.000 Again, Elizabeth Deutsch.
00:07:02.000 And we don't know.
00:07:02.000 Again, like, you know, I know that we're treading on like speculation.
00:07:05.000 So I don't want to.
00:07:07.000 But again, you're talking about a very finite population though.
00:07:12.000 Right.
00:07:12.000 And so I don't think a Gorsuch clerk is going to be leaking this anytime soon.
00:07:17.000 Agreed.
00:07:17.000 It's not going to happen.
00:07:18.000 Right.
00:07:19.000 So you can look at her on LinkedIn, Elizabeth Deutsch, and she went to Yale, which helps, I think, prove your point, by the way, because Yale is just a cesspool for the worst direction of America.
00:07:32.000 So how did the left react, Will?
00:07:34.000 They came after you and your family.
00:07:36.000 Yeah, no, personally, right?
00:07:39.000 They accused me of doxing this woman, which is not true.
00:07:41.000 I didn't, there's zero like addresses, phone numbers, anything like that.
00:07:46.000 Everything I link to is public information, right?
00:07:49.000 I'm sorry, I linked to your New York Times wedding announcement.
00:07:52.000 I don't think that qualifies as doxing.
00:07:53.000 It was published in the New York Times of all places.
00:07:56.000 But I mean, and then also, it's like if you end if you are the leaker, I'm sorry, you kind of lose kind of the anonymity thing.
00:08:02.000 So, right.
00:08:03.000 It's these people aren't anonymous.
00:08:06.000 They're working directly.
00:08:08.000 Their direct superior is a justice in the Supreme Court of the United States.
00:08:11.000 These are public servants.
00:08:13.000 Like every part of this is not there.
00:08:14.000 And yet the left has come after me in the most vicious personal ways.
00:08:18.000 I don't want to belabor it because we're all big boys here, but I've had like endless people on Twitter, but also on my personal phone going after me.
00:08:27.000 I've had even threats to my, you know, somebody harassing my children, like four-month-old daughter, who you've been hearing a little bit through the course of this interview.
00:08:34.000 And I mean, it's like they want to believe the worst about me.
00:08:39.000 And so they're actually doing the thing they accuse me of doing.
00:08:42.000 They're doing to me what they accuse me of doing to her, which I did not do, right?
00:08:47.000 They're doing, you know, they're going after me, like posting personal addresses and phone numbers and things like that.
00:08:52.000 It's abhorrent.
00:08:54.000 Clearly over the line, exactly what I didn't do quite intentionally, because I know that that's wrong, like any normal person.
00:09:02.000 And yet we're still, you know, we're still dealing with it.
00:09:04.000 And it's not just the, it's like Eric Swalwell and George Take and Park Mamenko and the list of lefty influencers and congresspeople who've been upset by this leak.
00:09:16.000 Alex Vindman was mad.
00:09:17.000 Steve Schmidt was mad.
00:09:20.000 I didn't expect the entirety of blue check liberal Twitter to be that by the concept of trying to figure out the leaker.
00:09:26.000 And if you ended up not being right about your speculation, it's still an unbelievably informed guess. 0.76
00:09:32.000 I mean, you have someone who writes about, she's a clerk.
00:09:34.000 Okay.
00:09:35.000 So she's one of, we're talking about 12 people, right?
00:09:38.000 That's number one.
00:09:38.000 Number two, she's laser focused on this issue.
00:09:40.000 Number three, she went to Yale.
00:09:42.000 You just have to put that in.
00:09:43.000 Number four, she has a personal relationship with the author of the article.
00:09:50.000 Is that right?
00:09:51.000 Right.
00:09:51.000 Yes.
00:09:53.000 So much so that at most, it's like once, like a very close, I mean, her husband does, right?
00:09:59.000 For certain, right?
00:10:00.000 Her husband is the co-wrote the article with her.
00:10:03.000 And the author went to her wedding, right?
00:10:07.000 So like, it's just, it's, it's right there.
00:10:10.000 It's, it's right there.
00:10:12.000 Even if they don't, even though they don't regularly talk to each other, like they, they know each other well.
00:10:18.000 And so that's a pretty compelling case for me.
00:10:20.000 I mean, and so we'll see.
00:10:21.000 Maybe there's an even more compelling one.
00:10:23.000 There was another clerk that they were speculating as well.
00:10:26.000 I can't remember his name, but so it was a meat giant.
00:10:30.000 Yeah, that's right.
00:10:30.000 So did my org clerk.
00:10:32.000 Just really quick gut reaction.
00:10:33.000 Does this backfire on the Democrats, the fact that they leaked this?
00:10:36.000 Yes, yes. 0.97
00:10:38.000 Normal people will look at this and think it's ridiculous.
00:10:41.000 It's there's a reason they're trying to talk about anything but the leak.
00:10:45.000 And I think also it will make the end result.
00:10:47.000 I think somebody made this very good point.
00:10:49.000 It will make the final release of the decision somewhat anticlimactic because we knew it was ours.
00:10:52.000 That's exactly right.
00:10:54.000 She also has a master's degree in gender.
00:10:58.000 So that just adds to the list.
00:11:00.000 Again, it's pure speculation.
00:11:01.000 But I don't think that if she had a master's degree in aeronautical engineering, it would put her higher up on the list.
00:11:07.000 Nor would she be a clerk for Breyer.
00:11:11.000 Will walk me to the political calculus here.
00:11:14.000 Who do you think?
00:11:15.000 I think that there's something to be said that because they leaked it early, that you can't really have that kind of, whoa, abortion is gone, even though it's not, it goes back to the states, right?
00:11:24.000 So it kind of makes it anticlimatic.
00:11:26.000 And also, there's a moral high ground from a messaging standpoint where we could say, well, we don't want who leaks stuff.
00:11:32.000 Walk us through this.
00:11:33.000 What's your analysis?
00:11:34.000 Yeah, I mean, I don't think the leak ends up helping the Democrats all that much, right?
00:11:39.000 No matter what, they would have had the decision before midterms in the sense of if there was some motivating force of the repeal of Roe to get people to get Democrats to the polls.
00:11:49.000 Well, that was going to happen anyway because the decision was going to be released by June.
00:11:52.000 Yes.
00:11:53.000 So, you've got, you know, they get a four-week head start on the protesting and anger.
00:11:58.000 So, I don't think that helps them very much.
00:11:59.000 I think it obviously gives the right the massive moral high ground.
00:12:02.000 The leak is devastating to the way the court functions, as we discussed.
00:12:06.000 You know, it's not clear you could even do normal clerkships.
00:12:09.000 And it creates, I think people get used to the idea of this happening and makes it less of a problem.
00:12:16.000 That's okay.
00:12:16.000 One moment.
00:12:17.000 We will filibuster as Will does the moral obligation of making sure generations, future generations, are well taken care of.
00:12:26.000 So, yeah, I mean, look, I suppose the question that I have is: why now?
00:12:31.000 Do you think there's anything to the timing of this?
00:12:33.000 I mean, how long were they sitting on this?
00:12:36.000 What's the whole idea of it?
00:12:37.000 I mean, yeah, what's your thought?
00:12:39.000 I think the best analysis is that they're, you know, the most likely scenario is just sort of irrational, hail Mary hope that you get somebody to change their mind.
00:12:49.000 I think that that's like, you know, that's, that's why I think Deutsch is such a likely candidate, right?
00:12:54.000 She spent her whole career working on this issue, and all of a sudden it's going to get blown up, right?
00:12:58.000 Like it's like seeing your life's work disappear in addition to you having what I'm sure she feels is pretty substantial moral outrage.
00:13:06.000 So that's, that's what I think that's the most likely answer.
00:13:08.000 Simply not really thinking like strategically or like a Machiavellian or anything, but just an emotional, like, I hate this.
00:13:15.000 What I'm going to do whatever I can desperation.
00:13:18.000 I think if there is like a strategic calculus, it would be something like we want states to get out in front of this knowing that Roe is about to be repealed so liberal states could implement pro-choice like policies on the books and get ahead of it.
00:13:32.000 Maybe that would be the most likely outcome.
00:13:35.000 But I don't think that makes much sense because conservative states can get out ahead of it too.
00:13:39.000 And it's not clear that that improves things for the pro-choice movement.
00:13:42.000 But that's like, that's my best guess.
00:13:44.000 I still think it just, the thing that makes the most sense is just, you know, someone reacted so negatively to the potential repeal of Roe, which they feel is just an outrage.
00:13:54.000 So in closing here, Will, I want to shift gears.
00:13:56.000 You've been on the tech censorship issue more than almost anybody else in the last couple of years.
00:13:59.000 What's your thought?
00:14:00.000 I didn't ask you on Elon buying Twitter.
00:14:02.000 It's great.
00:14:02.000 I mean, we shouldn't have to depend on billionaires like coming to the rescue, literally the single wealthiest person in the world coming to the rescue and saving us from the problems of social media censorship.
00:14:13.000 But I think it's an incredibly good thing that it's happening.
00:14:15.000 Clearly, he's very much anti-censorship based on what he said on Twitter.
00:14:20.000 I think that the left is obviously reacting a way that we would anticipate.
00:14:25.000 And I think it, you know, it provides a model for potentially a different type of corporate activism.
00:14:29.000 We've constantly thought about compete, compete, compete, right?
00:14:32.000 If somebody's doing something we don't like with a big institution, well, we should just compete against it and build a brand new institution to compete with it.
00:14:39.000 Well, I think there's a different model.
00:14:41.000 Like, take it over, buy it out.
00:14:43.000 There's, that's, it turns out if you can do it with something like Twitter, maybe you could do it with something like Disney or something else, some big institution with, you know, enormous capital investments all over the place.
00:14:54.000 I mean, competing with Disney is hard.
00:14:55.000 I'm glad the Daily Wire is trying to do it.
00:14:57.000 But, you know, it would be nice if we could buy it and then use the existing massive infrastructure and capital of Disney to do things that we think are good.
00:15:06.000 This will be a, I said this the other day.
00:15:07.000 I said, the good news of a recession and the market going down and having a lot of dollar bills is there will be buy-in opportunities.
00:15:15.000 Let me tell you what.
00:15:16.000 And there will be a lot of woke companies that could be bought and sold for parts.
00:15:19.000 I'll tell you what.
00:15:20.000 They got overleveraged.
00:15:22.000 They got too excited in COVID.
00:15:23.000 I mean, look, Disney's still a $200 billion company, but they could sell parts of Disney off.
00:15:27.000 Don't.
00:15:29.000 I mean, they could sell a cartoon company here or rights to something there.
00:15:33.000 I mean, so that's a really, really good point.
00:15:36.000 I think that's smart.
00:15:37.000 Will, thank you so much for joining us today.
00:15:39.000 Appreciate it.
00:15:39.000 Absolutely.
00:15:40.000 Always.
00:15:40.000 Thank you.
00:15:44.000 It's a lot happening right now, and some call it the rise of the new right.
00:15:48.000 And I want to explore that with the brilliant Matt Peterson.
00:15:52.000 Matt, welcome back to the program.
00:15:54.000 Hey, thanks for having me on.
00:15:56.000 Lots happening these days.
00:15:57.000 A lot happening.
00:15:58.000 It feels like we're gaining ground.
00:16:00.000 Kind of give us your analysis.
00:16:01.000 How big was this week?
00:16:02.000 What did this mean?
00:16:03.000 And what is the new right?
00:16:05.000 Well, first off, this is an enormously important week because JD Vance winning that primary for the U.S. Senate really is the shot heard around the world.
00:16:17.000 They don't want to talk about it, but it has the establishment seething and very afraid.
00:16:25.000 And it really is the first of, I think, a series of dominoes that are going to fall leading into this fall that are going to define this red wave as something that's not coming about due to God bless them, Mitch McConnell and others, but due to strong new leaders on the right who are taking the America first agenda and moving forward.
00:16:47.000 And so really, you know, they're not talking about this enough.
00:16:50.000 This is incredibly important what just happened.
00:16:52.000 Millions of dollars were spent by establishment Republicans against JD Vance.
00:16:57.000 And that win, which now sets him on course to go to the U.S. Senate, is just it should be the shot heard around the world.
00:17:03.000 This is not over.
00:17:05.000 You know, the American right is not done.
00:17:08.000 There are a number of new leaders who are saying the right things and they're brave to say it now when it's not clear who's going to win.
00:17:16.000 And those people who consistently spread that message, I predict, are going to be the leaders of this red wave moving forward.
00:17:22.000 So tell us kind of what is the new right.
00:17:23.000 We've gotten a lot of feedback from our audience.
00:17:25.000 It sounds exciting.
00:17:26.000 The left uses that as a pejorative, by the way.
00:17:28.000 I think we should use it as it's kind of fun, right?
00:17:31.000 I mean, it's kind of a great branding. 1.00
00:17:33.000 I don't want to be the old right. 0.99
00:17:36.000 What is the new right?
00:17:36.000 What do we stand for?
00:17:37.000 What makes it different?
00:17:40.000 Yeah, so that's a great question.
00:17:42.000 And I think that's the, there's a lack of clarity on this because so many people who control media outlets, even on the right, don't quite understand or aren't comfortable with where things are going.
00:17:54.000 I would define it as a group of people who realize just how bad things are.
00:18:01.000 They realize that the institutions in America have become corrupt under the watch or lack of watch of the people who should have been the adults in the room.
00:18:12.000 And because those institutions are now so corrupt and doing such egregious, you know, terrible things, they've already disintegrated any kind of norm that people were pretending used to exist.
00:18:23.000 We now need to take more serious action to retake America, to refound American civilization, to renew an American way of life that's worthy of the name.
00:18:34.000 And I think, I mean, that's very generic in a way, but it really defines everything to me.
00:18:39.000 It's people who realize, look at how bad the situation is, and therefore, what needs to be done in order to retake those institutions?
00:18:48.000 And in many cases, that means creating new institutions or new super PACs or new activist groups. 0.86
00:18:55.000 But in some situations, it simply means using the force of the power we have to combat this tyrannical religion that is trying to take over all of America. 0.76
00:19:07.000 And I think there's a sharp distinction there. 0.80
00:19:09.000 So a perfect example would be what DeSantis is doing in Florida.
00:19:15.000 Ron DeSantis takes up arms against Disney.
00:19:19.000 And in the past, we would say, well, that's sort of alarming.
00:19:21.000 A lot of conservatives, we shouldn't be singling out corporations.
00:19:25.000 It should be a free and equal playing field.
00:19:28.000 And of course, the problem is it's not.
00:19:30.000 Big woke corporate has decided to attack half of America and insert itself into the political process.
00:19:37.000 And the new right would say that means that political power will indeed need to be appropriately used to combat that political force.
00:19:46.000 And so, you know, but if I just sum it up in a few words, it's people who realize how corrupt our institutions have become and our culture has become, and therefore what it will take, the bold actions it will take to save America.
00:20:01.000 That's well said.
00:20:02.000 I'm going to get a sound here that will prove your point of Asa Hutchinson from Arkansas, who says, look, we shouldn't punish Disney versus DeSantis.
00:20:13.000 It's a great contrast of old right versus new right.
00:20:16.000 And so, I mean, also this kind of comes with foreign policy, though, doesn't it?
00:20:21.000 One of the kind of things with JD Vance, I mean, I was there with J.D. the last couple of days campaigning with him.
00:20:26.000 We did five campaign stops in the scenic tour of Ohio.
00:20:29.000 We were everywhere.
00:20:30.000 I'll tell you what.
00:20:31.000 And I was reflecting on the race, and JD came out and he came up pretty firm.
00:20:37.000 And he said, look, I don't think we should have a no-fly zone in Ukraine.
00:20:40.000 I don't think that we should over-involve ourselves or over-entangle ourselves kind of in these very complex theaters when our own country has such significant problems.
00:20:50.000 Wasn't this also kind of a blow to the neoconservative establishment?
00:20:55.000 Oh, yeah.
00:20:56.000 Look, when JD Vance came out and said, why?
00:20:59.000 I'm not worried about Ukraine.
00:21:00.000 I'm worried about our borders.
00:21:01.000 I'm worried about America.
00:21:03.000 Why are we putting these resources there?
00:21:05.000 I mean, I have lots of friends who aren't even neocons who thought, well, in the current environment, you know, that's not going to work.
00:21:11.000 That's too extreme.
00:21:13.000 But what this shows is it's not too extreme.
00:21:15.000 People understand that the Republican base is one thing.
00:21:19.000 And the neocons and a lot of these establishment types who are just holding on to power, they simply have no conception of where the people are at.
00:21:26.000 And regular people are going, yes, why would we get so involved?
00:21:30.000 I care about Ohio.
00:21:31.000 I care about my fellow citizens here. 0.69
00:21:33.000 And, you know, gosh darn it, look around.
00:21:36.000 We have enough problems here. 0.83
00:21:37.000 Let's deal with those problems.
00:21:38.000 And so it was very much like when Trump came out and said, hey, maybe Iraq was not such a good idea.
00:21:44.000 And everyone went, oh, he's never going to win now.
00:21:47.000 And it's true, he or JD wouldn't win if you took a poll of people in D.C. who make their money off the defense industry.
00:21:53.000 But as it turns out, the people of Ohio thought, yeah, we don't have a problem with that.
00:21:57.000 We agree with him. 0.98
00:21:58.000 And the chattering class was like, this is the end of JD's campaign, that he would dare push back against it. 1.00
00:21:58.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:22:05.000 And so it also is, in my opinion, the new right is defined by a commitment to playing to win.
00:22:12.000 This is something you've said before.
00:22:14.000 And it's, we know what we want, right?
00:22:16.000 We want a country that is recognizable, right?
00:22:20.000 And we're willing to do what is necessary in prudent and incremental steps, if necessary, to get there, meaning we don't relish in having to use political power.
00:22:29.000 I would love to live in an America where everyone kind of just did their own thing.
00:22:32.000 But if I have to do that to preserve liberty and to protect children, then I'm not going to be afraid to do that.
00:22:38.000 Okay, I want to play a cut here and get your reaction.
00:22:40.000 This is Connor put in our cut sheet. 0.73
00:22:44.000 This is the governor genital mutilation. 0.56
00:22:46.000 So it's Governor Asa Hutchinson, very pro-chemical castration guy. 0.89
00:22:49.000 Play cut 81.
00:22:50.000 Well, first of all, Disney has handled this very poorly.
00:22:54.000 Secondly, the law that was passed is, to me, common sense that in those grades, those lower grades, you shouldn't be teaching sexual orientation and those matters that should not be covered at that age.
00:23:09.000 But I don't believe that government should be punitive against private businesses because we disagree with them.
00:23:17.000 That's not the right approach either.
00:23:20.000 And so to me, that's the old Republican principle of having a restrained government.
00:23:26.000 And so let's do the right thing.
00:23:28.000 It's a fair debate about these special tax privileges.
00:23:31.000 I understand that debate.
00:23:33.000 But let's not go after businesses and punish them because we disagree with what they said.
00:23:38.000 Matt?
00:23:40.000 I mean, I just, I don't live in the same universe.
00:23:45.000 I don't know what alternative universe he lives in, but it must be a marvelous place.
00:23:51.000 The one, the world that we live in, the landscape of reality that I see is that government is pushing businesses all the time.
00:23:59.000 Government is coercing businesses all the time.
00:24:02.000 Government is taking your money and investing in woke capital and as part of the woke capital complex.
00:24:10.000 I mean, state pension funds are doing terrible things.
00:24:14.000 I mean, they're investing in China.
00:24:17.000 They're not pro-American at all.
00:24:19.000 And they're forcing, they're using the power of business, of capital to crush political dissent for private citizens and businesses, as well as politicians in the political process.
00:24:32.000 So it's not even like, it's like a fish in and out of water.
00:24:37.000 Like the entire landscape he describes just doesn't exist.
00:24:41.000 The real world, in the real world, business and woke capital is being used to push private citizens, to push corporations, to push politicians in one direction.
00:24:53.000 And there's only one way to stop that.
00:24:56.000 And that is saying, no, we're going to, you want to play the game.
00:24:59.000 You are going to be punished.
00:25:00.000 Well, and also a favor, a handout for a certain company is by definition a punishment to another company because they don't have access to that, right?
00:25:07.000 So it's the opposite, actually.
00:25:09.000 And I'm sure I'd love Asa Hutchinson to explain: hey, do you give Walmart any favoritism in Arkansas?
00:25:14.000 Just asking for a friend?
00:25:16.000 Like, do they?
00:25:18.000 No, no, do they get any sort of tax shelters?
00:25:20.000 Like, I don't know.
00:25:20.000 In Bentonville, do they pay their fair share in property tax?
00:25:24.000 Do they have any sort of TIFF districts?
00:25:25.000 I don't, maybe not.
00:25:27.000 Or how about Tyson Foods?
00:25:28.000 Like, I'm sure they don't get any sort of favoritism.
00:25:32.000 And so what's hilarious is that the libertarians, of which I agree with them on like guns and like, that's about it.
00:25:38.000 But like, they, they always were like, okay, we need to get rid of corporate subsidies.
00:25:41.000 That was their whole thing, remember?
00:25:43.000 Get rid of export, import, bank, and all that.
00:25:44.000 I was like, okay, sure, I agree.
00:25:46.000 But no, here's Ron DeSantis getting rid of corporate subsidies.
00:25:49.000 And they say, well, it's punitive.
00:25:50.000 Well, hold on a second.
00:25:52.000 What's the reason why?
00:25:53.000 The reason is because Disney decided to become a communication arm for the most radical anti-family pedophile values of the American left.
00:26:03.000 I hate to put it that way, but it's just the way it is.
00:26:05.000 Your reaction in about a minute.
00:26:08.000 No, you're so right.
00:26:09.000 I mean, look, they're being punished.
00:26:11.000 What are they being punished for? 0.59
00:26:13.000 For trying to groom our children?
00:26:17.000 You shouldn't punish them.
00:26:19.000 That's against what?
00:26:21.000 Like, why?
00:26:22.000 And of course, the arguments for the subsidies, I can just hear the good governor and others saying, like, whoa, Walmart does a lot of good for us, and it's good for them to be here.
00:26:32.000 Well, guess what?
00:26:33.000 They decided it's bad for Disney to have those deals there.
00:26:37.000 And if it was just punishment for their political views, what's the point of having a political system or democracy where you have debate and some kind of freedom if you can't punish the other side and attack them just like they're attacking you?
00:26:52.000 They just sit there.
00:26:53.000 They do this every day.
00:26:55.000 I mean, in Washington, they go after oil companies.
00:26:58.000 In California, they go after gun manufacturers.
00:27:00.000 I mean, they go after every one of our core industries every single day relentlessly.
00:27:06.000 And we just remove a tax shelter to even the playing field. 0.99
00:27:10.000 And we have to be lectured.
00:27:11.000 Well, it's like, well, you know, while I've always said we're not the company of the party of corporate handouts, we need to be the party of corporate handouts.
00:27:19.000 Like, actually, I don't need to take you seriously anymore, actually.
00:27:21.000 Like, you're grooming five-year-olds and you lose your tax privileges.
00:27:24.000 Matt, this is something I said the other day.
00:27:26.000 I want your opinion.
00:27:27.000 I don't think the people have changed.
00:27:29.000 I think they're finally getting the leaders they deserve.
00:27:31.000 What's your thoughts on that?
00:27:33.000 Yeah, I think that's very true.
00:27:34.000 I think the people have been leading, the people are already new right, right?
00:27:38.000 The vast majority of the Republican base is already new right.
00:27:42.000 So in a sense, it's not really new.
00:27:45.000 It's just American political leaders catching up to where the people are at because the people are reacting to the landscape of reality, the aforementioned landscape of reality from the last segment.
00:27:56.000 They are dealing with real problems, real people.
00:28:00.000 They have real problems.
00:28:01.000 And those problems don't necessarily match the talking points from 20 years ago in Republican think tanks in D.C.
00:28:10.000 And, you know, of course, the left has become much more violent and belligerent.
00:28:15.000 And so really what you're seeing is a new crop of thinkers, of leaders, of doers, of politicians who are rising to the fore to respond to the situation we find ourselves in.
00:28:28.000 And I just think that's really exciting.
00:28:31.000 And it's, you know, it's not going to happen all by itself, but certainly the tide is moving in this direction.
00:28:37.000 And it's going to take a combination of forces and kind of the old Republican talking points.
00:28:37.000 Yeah.
00:28:43.000 They fall flat.
00:28:43.000 You're right.
00:28:44.000 And that's why JD's victory is so big.
00:28:46.000 What other races, Matt, are you looking at that could also be kind of the furtherance of this trend?
00:28:51.000 Primary races in particular?
00:28:53.000 What are you looking at?
00:28:55.000 Well, there's a number of people out there who are good.
00:28:58.000 And look, this is an important question because the problem right now is it's hard for regular people who are really interested in this to find the right leaders.
00:29:06.000 There's no like credentialing body.
00:29:09.000 And so, you know, if you watch a lot of conservative commentary, you'll just see a lot of different names mentioned.
00:29:14.000 And some of these people are very much on board with moving things forward.
00:29:17.000 And some of them are just the same old, same old.
00:29:19.000 So I'm definitely looking at Blake Masters in Arizona.
00:29:23.000 I think he's an incredible candidate and could become another incredible leader in the Senate.
00:29:30.000 If you had JD and him working together in the Senate, that would be amazing.
00:29:34.000 He's just much more competent like JD is than most politicians.
00:29:38.000 And then Joe Kent is a favorite of mine in the Pacific Northwest.
00:29:42.000 He's running for Congress, really an American hero who's willing to stand up and talk about a realistic foreign policy that makes sense.
00:29:51.000 And then someone I've gotten to know over the last year who really deserves even more attention is Anthony Sabatini.
00:30:00.000 He's a friend of me.
00:30:02.000 Yes.
00:30:03.000 Yes.
00:30:04.000 Look, Anthony is really a doer.
00:30:08.000 He's someone who gets his work done.
00:30:11.000 And he's running for Congress in Florida, could become an incredible leader in Congress.
00:30:16.000 Anthony Sabatini's terrific Ana Paulina is another one in Pinellas County, Florida.
00:30:20.000 She's got the president's endorsement at Turning Point PAC.
00:30:23.000 Turning point Action, we've endorsed Caroline Levitt up in New Hampshire.
00:30:26.000 That's a tough race, but we think she'll be able to pull it off.
00:30:30.000 We have Bo Hines in North Carolina as well.
00:30:32.000 And so on the Senate side, there's not as many, but the Congress, there's a lot.
00:30:36.000 But there's a lot happening on the state legislative side.
00:30:38.000 And you're right, there really is no credentialing body because, you know, it's tough to look a level deeper, isn't it?
00:30:45.000 And still, people still email me.
00:30:48.000 Charlie, I think JD's a Democrat and all this.
00:30:48.000 I get these emails.
00:30:51.000 Still, after he wins the primary, I said, and Matt, I just, I tell him this, and you know JD, and I said, just wait one year and email me back.
00:30:58.000 Just one year when he's a U.S. Senator, give him 90 days.
00:31:00.000 Would you agree with that?
00:31:02.000 Oh, yeah.
00:31:03.000 And look, I understand people's distrust of politicians.
00:31:07.000 Let me be honest.
00:31:08.000 I don't trust politicians.
00:31:09.000 I mean, the reason that we created a PAC is because I wanted to create a super PAC to just stay outside of the usual powers that be on the right.
00:31:18.000 We could say whatever we want.
00:31:19.000 We could critique people on the right.
00:31:21.000 So, you know, so that's why we did that with the team of people that were committed to the same.
00:31:27.000 And it's what you need, though, what we have to pay attention to, is who's going to say the right thing at the right time.
00:31:34.000 And what I would say is, if you look at JD and these others, forget about the past.
00:31:38.000 What are they saying now?
00:31:38.000 They have real skin in the game.
00:31:40.000 And before everyone else, they're saying the right things, right?
00:31:43.000 They're saying the right things.
00:31:44.000 And there's a certain element of this where Anthony Hopkins once said that he didn't believe in getting really into the character and like doing drugs to be a druggie actor, you know, kind of thing.
00:31:55.000 He said, look, Catherine Hepburn once told me, just say the lines.
00:31:59.000 And that's my message for politicians.
00:32:01.000 That's how I read it now. 1.00
00:32:02.000 Just say the damn lines. 0.99
00:32:03.000 And if you're willing to say the right thing and put some skin in the game when no one else is doing it, then you're worth following. 1.00
00:32:09.000 And then later on, I just, I want you to vote the right way.
00:32:12.000 That's right.
00:32:13.000 Right?
00:32:13.000 Exactly.
00:32:14.000 I don't know what's in your heart.
00:32:15.000 Only Jesus knows that.
00:32:17.000 I need you to say the right thing and vote the right way.
00:32:19.000 And at least that's a start.
00:32:21.000 And then every once in a while, after, you know, after some years go by, someone surprises you and you see, wow, this is an actual statesman.
00:32:27.000 But that's the only way you have to do that.
00:32:28.000 Like Ron DeSantis is a real statesman.
00:32:30.000 Matt, thank you so much.
00:32:31.000 Firebrand Pack.
00:32:32.000 Everyone, check it out.
00:32:32.000 We'll have you on next time.
00:32:33.000 Thanks, Matt.
00:32:34.000 Thanks.
00:32:34.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.
00:32:36.000 Email me directly, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:32:38.000 Thanks so much for listening.
00:32:39.000 God bless.
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