00:00:00.000Hey everybody, on the special Sunday episode of the Charlie Kirk Show, Dr. Sebastian Gorka in person at the Turning Point USA Student Action Summit.
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00:00:29.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:37.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:00:51.000And a lot of you guys are emailing us, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:00:55.000How do I give back this Christmas season?
00:00:58.000Look, I know it's been a tough year, but those of us that are Christians, we are called to help and to assist regardless of the circumstances around us.
00:01:06.000Whether we had a blessed year or a tough year, it's time to step up and do something.
00:01:15.000They help kids whose parents are in prison.
00:01:18.000It's not even about the fact of what their parents did.
00:01:20.000It's the fact that the kids are alone.
00:01:23.000And the kids, if they do not hear from their parents, they're more likely to also get involved in crime in the future.
00:01:29.000So let's really communicate the love of Jesus Christ with a personalized note from their dad and an access to a Bible in either Spanish or English.
00:01:38.000And that's what the Fellowship Angel Tree program does.
00:01:41.000Last year, the Angel Tree program blessed over 300,000 children of prisoners all across America.
00:01:46.000What's so cool is that if you give directly, it doesn't go to overhead or all that stuff.
00:01:49.000It goes straight to the kid, especially this Christmas season.
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00:02:11.000And I think that's really important because for a gift of $220, you can bless 10 children of prisoners with a personalized Christmas present and a personal note from their incarcerated parent.
00:02:22.000Plus, every Angel Tree family is also given access to free, easy-to-read copy of the Bible in English or Spanish.
00:03:59.000First thing I'll do is I'll give you a caveat emtor kind of warning.
00:04:04.000If anybody tells you, and I don't care who it is, an anonymous posting on social media or your best buddy that they know what's going to happen in the next month, they're lying to you or they're delusional.
00:04:17.000I worked for the president when he was plain old Mr. Trump.
00:04:21.000I worked with him in the White House as his strategist.
00:04:24.000He's appointed me to one of his DOD boards.
00:04:27.000You've been appointed to his commission.
00:05:02.000Number one, the real date that matters is January the 18th.
00:05:08.000January the 6th, physically, it's like something out of the 1800s.
00:05:12.000The Electoral College ballots will be transported in a box to a special joint session of Congress.
00:05:21.000There, the ballots must be counted by the president of the Senate, who is the incumbent Vice President Mike Pence.
00:05:28.000However, the Constitution permits, because it is the final authority on federal positions, federal elections, that every congressman and every senator can choose to not certify the individual votes.
00:05:42.000If there's one senator, one congressman who says, I disagree, they get two hours to debate the problems with that specific state or county, and then a vote of the whole Congress has to be taken.
00:05:56.000As such, the only date that really matters is January the 18th.
00:06:01.000Do we have a final result of 270 electoral college mandate votes for any candidate?
00:06:14.000We have a contingent election whereby the House of Representatives votes on who the president will be and the vice president is chosen by the Senate.
00:06:22.000These are not Sebastian Gorka's opinions.
00:06:24.000These are the constitutional potential scenarios.
00:06:39.000Right now, the GOP has the majority, 27 to 22, I believe, is the current number.
00:06:45.000Therefore, in theory, and this is absolutely constitutional, the President of the United States could be re-elected to a second term if that happens.
00:06:54.000Here is my input, my subjective input.
00:06:58.000The fact that we are, what, December 19th, December 20th, and only one congressman, Mo Brooks, who was on my show last week, has said he is prepared to block or delay the certification of the Electoral College vote.
00:07:14.000And not one senator, even Rand Paul, who gave an amazing speech here at the Gala in a very safe environment with a conservative audience, even Rand Paul, who said the election was stolen, wasn't prepared to be that second senator, means we are lacking the minimum requirement for that delay to occur.
00:07:35.000The more problematic issue is finding the majority of state, conservative states, to back the decertification, if you will, of the election and to have the president re-elected.
00:07:49.000So I will say it to everyone: never give up hope.
00:07:53.000I chose this country because one of the characteristics of America is that we are eternal optimists.
00:08:00.000But I will say the president has not been given the due backing, the support of the institutional establishment.
00:08:09.000When I was in the White House, after I left the White House, I said, and I will say it again, Donald Trump became president despite the GOP, not thanks to the GOP.
00:08:17.000And I don't want to get you in trouble, so you can just edit it freely.
00:08:24.000Ronal McDaniel may be great at fundraising, but the idea that we didn't know the Democrats were going to steal this election is, of course, absurd.
00:08:32.000And the idea that when they declared we're going to mail out 80 million unbidden mail-in ballots, the idea that we didn't post 10,000 observers with army cots and sleeping bags in every single election center in America nine months ago is an outrage and is an abnegation of the responsibility of the GOP.
00:08:54.000We knew they were going to steal it and crying about them putting up cardboard in the windows after the vote is asinine and absurd.
00:09:05.000And the fact that in the four battleground states where they clearly stopped counting because the president was winning, delayed counting until they could manufacture ballots and then started the counting again and flipped the results, the fact that those occurred in metropolis, in large conurbations that were in states with GOP-controlled state houses is likewise a travesty that we did nothing to prevent this outrage.
00:09:31.000And I apologize for the long answer, but there's so much garbage swilling out there in the internet.
00:09:39.000And so this is the constitutional potential scenarios, but also the vacuum of, I'll say this, on my show, America First, in the last nine months, I've realized I don't care what your issue is.
00:09:51.000I don't care whether it's pro-life, building the wall, Second Amendment, big tech and First Amendment rights.
00:09:58.000There's only one thing we lack in America, and it is sufficient courage.
00:10:04.000Courage, the key virtue that makes the other virtues possible, is the thing that stymies us the most from being the America we should be.
00:10:16.000You were warning about the mail-in ballot nonsense.
00:10:19.000You and I did many Salem Radio Network town halls.
00:10:22.000I remember in particular one in Los Angeles and Florida.
00:10:25.000And you and I agreed completely, but you were very insistent that President Trump will win.
00:10:30.000But the unknown are all these ballots being sent all over the place.
00:10:34.000Dr. Gorka, I feel as if I'm living through one of the most frustrating political moments in American history because we identified the problem.
00:10:46.000Yeah, it's let me be very explicit for the record again.
00:10:53.000I don't need thousands of, I mean, God bless Rudy Giuliani, Jenna Ellis, Joe DeGenova, Victoria Tansing, the president's legal team, who are a tiny, I feel like I'm watching a version of when we walked into the White House on January 21st after the election, this merry band of insurgents in the middle of this swamp.
00:11:16.000I see this tiny group of lawyers fighting the good fight with Commissioner Bernie Kerry.
00:11:25.000They have to show the video from the suitcases in Georgia.
00:11:27.000But at the end of the day, I don't need any evidence.
00:11:30.000Nobody needs evidence that it was stolen.
00:11:33.000Donald Trump gained the most votes of any president in American history.
00:11:39.000He garnered at least 13 million more votes than he did four years ago, despite four years of calumny and libel, calling him a Islamophobe, a misogynist, a white supremacist Nazi.
00:11:51.000He got 13 million more votes despite that.
00:11:54.000And we are supposed to believe that a cognitively challenged, decrepit machine politician of 47 years hiding in his basement got more votes than the first black American president.
00:12:05.000That's the evidence that this was stolen.
00:12:08.000To your point of you and I and others rang the bell that there is a massive election fraud coming down the pike and nothing happened.
00:12:29.000Every state house in America could have said, no, Mr. Governor, no, Mr. State Secretary, no, Mr. Local Election Official, you are not permitted to mail out those ballots.
00:12:38.000No, you are not permitted to count ballots without a postmark.
00:12:40.000No, you are not permitted to wait six days for ballots to arrive after the end of the election at midnight.
00:13:15.000Not only was Brian Kemp at the White House Christmas Party, a friend of mine, and I'm not going to mention his name, but you can work it out, who has the only morning, the only radio show out of D.C. in the morning that is nationally syndicated, and he's a very good friend of mine.
00:13:33.000I had dinner with him a week ago, and he just, he didn't, his wife said, and she was very angry.
00:13:39.000She said, my husband is the only conservative radio host in D.C.
00:13:46.000And we have not received an invitation to the White House Christmas for four years running.
00:13:54.000Now, I'm not here to criticize the president and his team, but I'll tell you what happened when we walked into the White House.
00:15:10.000The day I realized that a senior political appointee in the press office hated the president, that was when I realized you've willingly taken a political...
00:15:23.000We, the technical term, are politically commissioned officers of the president.
00:15:30.000You get a big commissioning letter signed by the commander-in-chief, and this person accepted that job as a political appointee whilst he hated the president and stayed there for three years.
00:15:47.000You know, whatever happens on January the 20th, the reason you will remain, and Turning Point will remain the most important institution in America, is because you are building the bench that nobody, and I'm not here to chastise people by name.
00:16:04.000The whole conservative movement failed to build a bench for about 40 years.
00:16:09.000We have big names who fund Turning Point USA and all kinds of things across America, who literally have burnt billions of dollars in the last 40 years with another full-page ad in the Washington Times that means nothing, funding two sides of the same issue without realizing they're funding both sides of the same issue.
00:16:56.000The first, the Brian Kemp example: if there were people that were loyal to the president, it would have been a top-down order that not just Brian Kemp and his family is not invited to the White House Christmas party, that he gets a clear uninvitation.
00:17:53.000And if you're not able to actually implement faithful and loyal people, then you're actually not going to be able to properly staff these institutions.
00:18:00.000And I think that's part of where people have to really focus moving forward: regardless how this thing shakes out, is if we do not have the human beings, the beating hearts to fight this war, but you got a bunch of multi-billion dollar endowments or whatever, then what exactly do you have?
00:18:43.000I know this, but I don't think those who voted for Donald Trump understand this.
00:18:49.000The establishment conservative movement either thinks that he is an anomaly who will disappear and economic nationalism isn't real and is not required and everything will snap back to the way it was,
00:19:08.000or these are individuals who can't even think in terms of forgotten men and women, who, for them, it doesn't cross the transom of their mind why Hillbilly Elegy is the reason Donald Trump got elected.
00:19:24.000And let's be clear here: JD Vance is no Trump supporter.
00:19:27.000I think he's getting closer to understanding it.
00:19:30.000I don't read autobiographies, but thanks to Steve Bannon, I read Hillbilly Elegy over Thanksgiving weekend, and that's when I realized when both sides of the political divide for 50 years decide it's okay to dismantle middle America and export those jobs to China and import the fentanyl, that's why you get Donald Trump.
00:19:57.000Not because Donald Trump was ripe for it, but because America said enough with both sides of the aisle.
00:20:04.000And the political elite on our side to this day has no comprehension of what is Gorka talking about Hillbilly Elegy.
00:20:32.000How is it that for four years, not one entity, I love the guys at AmericanGreatness.com.
00:20:38.000I love, there's a few sites out there that try to do this, but there's been no national push to define what is it to me to say I am a conservative in the 21st century.
00:20:53.000When Reagan won, there was this organic seeding of thought, of think tanks, of debate, of publications from human events to national interest, on and on and on.
00:21:06.000In the last four years, it's like, oh, the weird guy won the election.
00:21:12.000Don't worry, he'll leave in a few years and it's all going to snap back.
00:21:17.000Politics is, whether it's Modi in India, whether it's Brexit in the UK, this is the global trend, but the GOP has no idea.
00:21:26.000Well, it's because the incentive structures are to stop it, though.
00:21:29.000It's the capital flows are in the favor of stopping Donald Trump.
00:21:33.000Where Donald Trump would bring value and higher and rising wages to middle America, it actually might mean compromising government contracts for some corporation that is funding a lot of the intellectual material that we're doing.
00:21:46.000Or making it harder for American businesses to do business with a communist dictatorship like China that has labor camps.
00:21:52.000Yeah, it's just China happens to be the happens to be the economic multiplier for not very skilled business people that have no patriotic underpinning.
00:22:02.000I mean, you can't even think in terms of what the damage they are doing to America.
00:22:08.000And it doesn't take a lot of skill to go heartlessly to a factory in Fort Wynne, Indiana, announce that it's being closed and move those jobs to Wuhan.
00:22:53.000I mean, look at, have you ever, could you imagine before Donald Trump a president talking about big pharma the way he talks publicly about big pharma?
00:23:00.000That used to be a Michael Moore fringe thing.
00:23:34.000So I can't remember really where we didn't completely align, but I said something of the sense that we need a digital bill of rights or we need some form of a breakup of these companies.
00:23:46.000I used a line with you that I got from a caller that made me stop and has sunk in my mind.
00:23:58.000We were talking about breaking them up, and a caller to America First said, Well, Dr. G, why would breaking Facebook up into 100 little Facebooks, why would that result in any conservative Facebooks?
00:24:18.000And it's a very interesting concept, right?
00:24:20.000I think that baby Bell, there's no political element of whether your phone is run by one national company or by one that covers three counties.
00:24:32.000But when the entity you're breaking up is by dint of its essence political, which is Facebook, which is YouTube, which is Google, where would the corrective come from?
00:24:44.000I think the driving motivation for me and for other people is stunning that this guy actually listens to conversations and then can recreate them six months later.
00:24:55.000This is like, this is why you have the podcast you have.
00:25:11.000But my answer is: first things first, the Supreme Court decision from 1972 or 74 that basically made libel impossible in America has to be returned to.
00:26:07.000And so it was actually originally meant for telecom companies who were talking about creating not what social media is, but they were thinking about creating like chat discussion areas.
00:26:21.000And it was in a very esoteric, very theoretical way.
00:26:26.000I guess where my other concern, though, is what's happening with these tech companies.
00:26:32.000And I have a whole theory, we have a whole thesis, and we built this out on the Charlie Kirk show: that the true power source in our country is Menlo Park in San Francisco.
00:27:08.000The earned wealth, when you earn your wealth and it doesn't fall on your lap because of some tech innovation, it's let me share this story with.
00:27:17.000So, if you're not familiar, one of the biggest problems you face, and we all face in America, is the misunderstanding the younger generations have of what is capitalism, what real capitalism is.
00:27:32.000And this idea that capitalism is rampant profit acquisition, incorrect.
00:27:37.000If you read Bastiat, if you read Michael Novak, then you really understand that capitalism's inherent core is a moral compass.
00:27:49.000And let me share this personal example.
00:27:51.000So, my wife's family until recently owned the oldest family-owned steel company in America.
00:27:59.000They built the cast iron girders that the first skyscrapers in New York were built with.
00:28:05.000And because she's a woman of letters, her brother, who was president of the company about five years ago, commissioned her to write the history.
00:28:13.000So, the history book on Cornell Ironworks.
00:28:15.000She sat down for a whole year researching it, and he gave her access to all the corporate filings of the corporate archive.
00:28:23.000And she went back to these massive ledges, these huge table-sized ledges from the 18th century, and she went through them.
00:28:31.000And she finds in the early 20th century, after the Wall Street crash hit, for six years, her great-great-great-grandfather took no wage as president of Cornell Ironworks so he could pump his wage back in to pay the people who weren't building the girders for the skyscrapers because nobody was commissioning them.
00:28:58.000Because he felt as the creator of that company, these people had built something with him and he was morally bound to help them feed their children for the next six years.
00:29:09.000That's free market capitalism informed by a moral compass.
00:29:13.000What children have been taught for 40 years is, no, it's just rampant greed till the next quarter.
00:29:18.000And even if you take the criticism, it was also in his self-interest to do that because eventually he was going to turn a profit by delayed gratification.
00:29:53.000It's how you can monitor people's behavior.
00:29:55.000Well, not only that, I mean, I didn't come up with this, and this is our conventional wisdom, but it's turning your alleged customer into the product.
00:31:50.000And everybody who listens to Charlie is incredibly informed.
00:31:54.000But if you really want to see the level, the invidious depth of where we are today, and it is beyond, it truly is beyond.
00:32:01.000As the child of those who escaped communism, it is truly beyond anything that George Orwell, Arthur Kersler, or anybody else envisaged.
00:32:09.000To pick any topic, it truly doesn't matter whether it's the border, whether it's taxation policy, whether it's Planned Parenthood, any topic, any topic, and put the phrase into Google.
00:32:24.000And find out on which page a conservative or a non-legacy media article appears.
00:32:56.000So, for example, we reach millions of people at Turning Point.
00:32:59.000You reach millions of people on radio.
00:33:01.000I want you to imagine if there's an independent voter who's listening to you driving to work or driving home from work and they say, huh, border wall, that makes sense.
00:33:22.000So what they have is basically the last line of defense before a conversion actually happens.
00:33:28.000Now, we're still doing plenty of, we're turning plenty of minds, but imagine what the country would look like if you had balanced search in that capacity.
00:33:35.000Let me ask you, let me turn the tables on you because this is something that troubles me greatly.
00:33:40.000We're so excited to have you at Sambel and for all the demographic reasons that that entails.
00:33:45.000But talk radio is a very specific demo, and you know that.
00:34:27.000So the most effective content that we have that we produce is real life, unfiltered conversations of back and forth that are entertaining issues that people aren't supposed to be talking about.
00:34:43.000And there's a couple of us kind of in this space that have kind of made names for ourselves doing this.
00:34:48.000Ben Shapiro, Steven Frowder, and myself, and maybe Michael Knowles, a couple other people.
00:34:54.000And just by the space that we're in, we're always running into this nonsense, and then you catalog it.
00:35:01.000I will say, though, that the people that are listening to this program, there are hundreds of thousands of people that listen to us every couple of days and millions of people a month.
00:35:15.000And that's where podcast really lives.
00:35:17.000There's longer form, unfiltered conversation as if they're just kind of listening in.
00:35:21.000But if I'm trying to really kind of catch the attention of a TikTok teen who's 16 or 17 years old, when I'm on campus at University of Oregon and some, let's just say, very, like, it's unknown what gender this person is just starts screaming at me, saying there's a hundred genders.
00:35:39.000And I'm able to ask very rational questions.
00:35:42.000And then what ends up happening is you have kind of the modern day political equivalent of the Roman Coliseum, right?
00:35:49.000Where everyone's watching who's going to win.
00:36:37.000Everyone loves to see a good, proper, you know, prosecution of bad ideas, no matter what your politics are, no matter what you, you know, how you think.
00:36:44.000But I will say that the three to six minute, unfiltered, I'm on a campus or I'm doing an event and this person has a question, and we have hundreds of millions of views with some of this stuff.
00:36:56.000The most successful on it, though, is the, they're the one that ask a ridiculous, provocative, insulting question, and I give a rational, calm response.
00:37:15.000Substance is multiple episodes diving into data and research.
00:37:18.000Instead, it's the archetype of very, very angry, emotional liberal who really is not well informed, but has a lot of opinions that tries to challenge a conservative worldview that's rational and thoughtful and respectful.
00:37:34.000And that's very much within what I think has really benefited, like it's not just benefited our audience and kind of how we communicate, but it's just the way the world is.
00:37:44.000It's like we're just capturing everyone's Thanksgiving, right?
00:38:09.000Well, first things first, I'll just quote my muse is my wife of Nat and I on now 24 years.
00:38:20.000And I'll quote what she said last night after she heard you speak at Mar-a-Lago.
00:38:25.000Charlie is doing God's work, and he is doing God's work.
00:38:30.000So if you are in a position to support him, not just listen to the podcast, you've got to support Turning Point USA.
00:38:36.000And if you're in his demographic, if you're young, you've got to join, you've got to organize, create that chapter, because that is how we save the republic that we dearly love, which is to this day the greatest nation on God's earth.
00:38:52.000So Charlie's number one, him and his team.
00:38:55.000For me, I have a daily radio show, America First.