The Charlie Kirk Show - Unpacking "The Supreme Leak" and the End of Roe

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today in the Charlie Kirk show, we dive into the groundbreaking and unprecedented news that the United States Supreme Court leaked a decision ahead of time.

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00:01:35.000 I had a whole show kind of laid out for you guys today.

00:01:39.000 I was with JD Vance yesterday in Ohio.

00:01:42.000 For all of you in Ohio, make sure you go out and vote and vote for JD Vance.

00:01:45.000 And then last night, as I was flying to Florida, I saw my phone blowing up, and it was one of the most remarkable stories that I think we've seen in recent memory.

00:01:55.000 And we're going to unpack it from every possible angle.

00:01:58.000 You've probably heard it by now, but in case you haven't or in case you're a little confused, let's walk you through it.

00:02:04.000 Let's kind of do a little refresher.

00:02:06.000 So last night, Politico reported that the Supreme Court was poised to decide that Roe versus Wade was going to be overturned.

00:02:18.000 Now, this is an unprecedented development because Politico received a leak.

00:02:22.000 Now, we're used to leaks in Washington, D.C. Leaks happen all the time, and leakers are rarely ever held accountable unless the leakers, of course, are leaking on Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton.

00:02:32.000 And so, what appears to be a Supreme Court Justice clerk, we'll get into that later in this program of who we think it is.

00:02:39.000 They leaked a draft of the decision composed and written by Samuel Alito, by Justice Alito.

00:02:46.000 Now, the significance of this is that the decision is not done yet.

00:02:51.000 Is that the justices meet right after they hear oral arguments?

00:02:54.000 They start to draft opinions, and the final decision, the final vote, will be done based on how the opinion is written.

00:03:00.000 And so, based on the draft, it looks like Amy Coney Barrett, Clarence Thomas, Justice Gorsuch, Justice Alito, and Justice Kavanaugh, five of them, are going to vote against the four would be Breyer, Sotomayor, Kagan, and Roberts, saying that Roe versus Wade will be overturned.

00:03:22.000 Now, mind you, we'll get into the technical aspect of this.

00:03:25.000 It does not mean that abortion will be outlawed as much as I'd like to see that happen.

00:03:29.000 That just simply means that states will be able to determine their own abortion laws. 0.99

00:03:35.000 That matters basically in the sense that states will be able to say that if they want to outlaw abortion, then so be it.

00:03:41.000 It's a state's rights argument.

00:03:43.000 It's less about abortion and it's more about the Constitution.

00:03:46.000 That's a very important thing where the left believe that abortion, for whatever reason, is some sort of constitutional right.

00:03:53.000 It isn't.

00:03:54.000 Abortion is not laid out in the United States Constitution.

00:03:58.000 When Roe versus Wade was decided back 30 or 40 or 50 years ago, it was done using a very creative and new, and dare I say, very shaky constitutional legal argument that basically used the 14th Amendment, amongst many other amendments, to try to justify the allowance of the termination of the unborn.

00:04:23.000 And so the uproar has been extraordinary in just the last 12 hours, but there's so many different parts to unpack with this.

00:04:29.000 Let's first talk about the leak, okay?

00:04:32.000 So when it comes to the leak, we've never seen anything like this.

00:04:35.000 The third branch of government, Article 3 of the United States Constitution, is supposed to remain above politics.

00:04:42.000 When we receive a Supreme Court ruling that we don't like, we as conservatives just like, wow, we don't like that.

00:04:47.000 Okay, time to move on.

00:04:49.000 And even liberals for a long time had that sort of approach and had that perspective when it came to the Supreme Court.

00:04:55.000 Liberals, for example, when they saw the Heller decision, which was a Second Amendment case, they're like, okay, whatever.

00:05:02.000 We don't like it.

00:05:03.000 But we have some respect.

00:05:04.000 We have some reverence for the U.S. Supreme Court.

00:05:06.000 When the U.S. Supreme Court upheld Obamacare, we respected that.

00:05:09.000 When the U.S. Supreme Court made gay marriage a law of the land, I certainly disagreed with that.

00:05:13.000 It overturned state precedent and state autonomy and state sovereignty.

00:05:17.000 However, we said, okay, that is the United States Supreme Court.

00:05:21.000 It is the final decision.

00:05:22.000 Now, we've been saying for quite some time that we've been flirting on the edges, that we've been right on the cusp, we've been right on the precipice of having the U.S. Supreme Court become basically an op-ed organization while wearing black coats.

00:05:39.000 Basically, the court does not have the ability to enforce its rules.

00:05:43.000 The court is only as strong as people believe it to be strong.

00:05:47.000 The court is no stronger than your trust, your commitment to seeing that the court's decisions are actually enacted and actually upheld.

00:06:01.000 The court does not have police power.

00:06:03.000 The court does not have a military.

00:06:05.000 The court does not have the ability to actually enforce these decisions.

00:06:08.000 You know, the very famous quote that Andrew Jackson said, I think it was back in the 1830s or 1840s, he said, you know, let Supreme Court Justice Marshall now enforce it.

00:06:20.000 Basically, the Supreme Court does not have the ability to enforce their decisions.

00:06:24.000 They are completely and totally reliant on the people actually trusting the third branch of government.

00:06:31.000 So Congress has power.

00:06:34.000 The executive branch has power.

00:06:35.000 The third branch has always just kind of been there based on the confidence we have in its ability to exist.

00:06:44.000 And so when now you have this leak from what looks to be a Supreme Court justice clerk, never happened before, in an attempt to, of course, to try and quote unquote crowdsource the entire decision to try to bring it out to the American people and to try to basically create mobs and riots and try to change what the decision actually was going to be.

00:07:08.000 This is now creating a sense of distrust in the third branch of government, the Supreme Court that we've never had before.

00:07:20.000 This is now basically delegitimizing what all of us have grown to love as the supreme interpreter and the law of the land.

00:07:29.000 Now, let's play this out.

00:07:31.000 What's the long-term significance of this?

00:07:33.000 The long-term significance is the destruction and the death of the rule of law as we know it, of the slow and deliberate and prudent interpretation of laws.

00:07:44.000 Now, what we are seeing, regardless of your decision on Roe versus Wade or your opinion of Roe versus Wade, I certainly have strong opinions on life and abortion.

00:07:52.000 We've made those opinions well known here on this program, is that you do not want, and I do not want to live in a country where all of a sudden some random lawkirk can leak a decision before it's actually done, a draft of a decision, to try to mobilize people in the streets to try to prevent that decision from actually happening.

00:08:13.000 Now, we've seen this happen in more ways than one.

00:08:15.000 We see the left go to these extraordinary measures.

00:08:18.000 We see the left, and whether it be in leaking of the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court decision, whether it be spying on Donald Trump, when they start to see a pattern or they start to see a trajectory that does not fit their political purposes, there is no limit to how far they will go.

00:08:38.000 Now, mind you, I'm also going to talk about this kind of contradiction and this irony.

00:08:43.000 For the last two years, we've been talking about vaccine mandates and how your body is not your own and you must submit to the government.

00:08:50.000 And yet now the left is saying, my body, my own, my choice, I can do whatever I want.

00:08:54.000 So there's this inherent contradiction in the entire pro-abortion argument that I just think is so glaring and so obvious.

00:09:01.000 I'll tell you obviously why I think we as pro-lifers are perfectly consistent with allowing for vaccine autonomy and also the protection of the unborn because they're both human beings that deserve the right to be protected and preserved.

00:09:14.000 But this leak, what is now being called the Supreme Leak, is there's so many different dimensions to this that we're going to unpack over the next hour.

00:09:23.000 But the one that just is immediate to me is that the third branch, Article 3 of the United States Constitution, is no more.

00:09:29.000 If now you're able to leak decisions before they happen to try to inspire riots and protests and media chatter, to try to influence Thomas and influence Amy Coney Barrett and influence Kavanaugh and influence Alito and influence Gorsuch, if you can now do that, well, then the Supreme Court is no longer this sacrosanct group of judges.

00:09:50.000 It's now basically an augment of the media chattering class and the activist class.

00:09:58.000 Roe versus Wade looks like it's going to be overturned.

00:10:01.000 Praise God.

00:10:02.000 So the Supreme Court has a pretty serious problem on their hands right now.

00:10:10.000 And so John Roberts has validated that the leak is legitimate, that this indeed happened.

00:10:16.000 John Roberts said, quote, yesterday, and John Roberts, the Supreme Court justice, yesterday a news organization published a copy of a draft opinion in a pending case.

00:10:26.000 Justices circulate draft opinions internally as a routine, an essential part of the court's confidential, deliberate work.

00:10:33.000 Although the document described in yesterday's reports is authentic, it does not represent a decision by the court or the final positions of members or issues in the case.

00:10:46.000 And that's exactly why they leaked it.

00:10:47.000 They knew this.

00:10:48.000 They leaked this because, and according to Politico, justices can and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinions circulate, and major decisions can be subject to multiple drafts and vote trading.

00:11:01.000 The court's holding will not be final until it's published, likely in the next two months.

00:11:06.000 And so what they're trying to do here is they're leaking it intentionally early.

00:11:11.000 They're trying to create rancor and backlash, and they're trying to create hysteria so that the justices start to get cold feet.

00:11:20.000 So that one of the justices, probably not Clarence Thomas or Alito, probably not Gorsuch, probably not Amy Coney Barrett, this is probably all directed at Brett Kavanaugh.

00:11:29.000 Now, mind you, this could very well backfire in a variety of different ways.

00:11:32.000 This is Brett Kavanaugh, who, of course, almost had his life destroyed by this very same mob, where they came after him banging on the doors of the United States Supreme Court.

00:11:41.000 They already are shutting down Washington, D.C. There's barricades in front of the U.S. Supreme Court building in anticipation of the backlash.

00:11:49.000 Now, the intensity behind this issue is really something, isn't it?

00:11:56.000 Look, I'm very passionately pro-life, obviously.

00:11:58.000 I don't believe in the 1 million plus abortions that happen every single year in our country.

00:12:03.000 I think that's a very simple and moderate perspective.

00:12:06.000 But regardless of your opinions on abortion, I'm sure some of you are pro-choice in our audience, not a lot of you, but okay.

00:12:13.000 That's an opinion out there.

00:12:14.000 This does not outlaw abortion.

00:12:16.000 This simply brings it back to the states.

00:12:19.000 And so, but yet it's such an important part of the Democrat political machine that they have to be able to terminate children in the womb that they found themselves to upend the entire history of the United States Supreme Court leaking this document and trying to create mass protests and media backlash.

00:12:43.000 Look, it's not too far to say.

00:12:44.000 In fact, it's not on shaky footing to say that the United States Supreme Court is now going to be threatened by activists and media members.

00:12:58.000 You're going to see non-stop New York Times articles.

00:13:01.000 Leak represents a chance for court to correct their draft.

00:13:06.000 This is their last-ditch effort to try and preserve abortion in some states like Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky.

00:13:19.000 This is now what they're focusing on.

00:13:22.000 I want to get to some sound here.

00:13:23.000 I want to go to Cut 21, Shannon Bream on how the Supreme Court leaker will be found and might actually out themselves in order to go down in history in opposition to the decision.

00:13:33.000 Obviously, it's against the law to preemptively leak these decisions.

00:13:36.000 We need to find the leaker, arrest the leaker, and prosecute the leaker.

00:13:40.000 But of course, this leaker is going to go down as a martyr by the radical left.

00:13:45.000 Play Cut 21.

00:13:46.000 Yeah, it's a very small universe of people who would ever have the ability to get their hands on these drafts.

00:13:51.000 And you better believe the chief is already very much on the mole hunt.

00:13:55.000 Last night and into the morning, he is going to have the ability to marshal the troops there at the court and say one by one, I need to know what happened.

00:14:04.000 I need to know where this goes.

00:14:06.000 There will be people who will figure this out.

00:14:08.000 I feel confident at some point we're going to have a name.

00:14:10.000 And listen, if it is a person who thought that they would stop this decision or reverse some of these conservative votes by doing this, they may actually out themselves and say, I did this for history.

00:14:21.000 I did this to preserve the right to abortion. 0.95

00:14:24.000 There are people on the left who are celebrating this person.

00:14:27.000 Yeah, this is being widely celebrated by the activist press as a heroic act of leaking.

00:14:32.000 Basically what it is, is we don't like how the Supreme Court is structured.

00:14:37.000 And so we're going to leak this to the population to try to use the riots, to try to use the mob, to try to use the swarms of people to try to get our way.

00:14:46.000 Now, thankfully, I think that Alito, Amy Coney Barrett, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Thomas, I don't think they're going to bend the knee to this.

00:14:55.000 I don't.

00:14:56.000 I don't think that all of a sudden this is going to make them more like, I think it's going to make them more likely to stay with this decision.

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00:17:09.000 The third branch of government, Article 3, as articulated in the Federalist Papers, is always supposed to be a non-political branch.

00:17:15.000 It's supposed to be above the kind of petty bickering that happens in the House or the Senate or even the executive branch that could be easily kind of corrupted by political fights.

00:17:25.000 There's a reason why the Supreme Court justices wear black.

00:17:29.000 There's a reason why they all dress the same.

00:17:31.000 They're supposed to be not in the world of kind of all this different sort of red and blue.

00:17:38.000 They all want to kind of be a sober and deliberate branch.

00:17:42.000 That's why they have the aesthetic of wearing the black robes.

00:17:47.000 It's exactly why.

00:17:49.000 Not exactly, there's other reasons as to why.

00:17:51.000 But a sober and non-political branch is fundamental to a free society.

00:17:59.000 A free society cannot continue to thrive or exist if you do not have at least one branch of government that can remain immune to the political fights.

00:18:11.000 Now, mind you, of course, the Supreme Court has some political influences.

00:18:16.000 It needs to be appointed by the presidency and then confirmed by the United States Senate.

00:18:21.000 So you're never going to have no politics involved.

00:18:24.000 But however, until the left started to derail Supreme Court nominees, like they did with Justice Bork, and they tried to do with Justice Clarence Thomas, and they tried to do with Justice Brett Kavanaugh, Supreme Court justice nominations were not political.

00:18:37.000 Even Republicans would go vote for kind of Democrat liberals that were up for the U.S. Supreme Court. 0.86

00:18:43.000 Soda Mayor, I think, got like 58 or 68 votes when Barack Obama put her up. 0.99

00:18:49.000 And so the U.S. Supreme Court, there was always supposed to be this idealism embedded in the U.S. Supreme Court that it's supposed to, it's supposed to yield to our higher angels, that even though we might disagree about politics, we have a central governing document, the United States Constitution.

00:19:06.000 We have central governing principles.

00:19:08.000 And this Supreme Court will be able to non-politically and in private, that's a very important part, in private, be able to make decisions.

00:19:18.000 So yes, 68 Republicans voted for Sodomayor.

00:19:20.000 Not 68 Republicans.

00:19:21.000 I'm 68 total people voted for Soda Mayor when Barack Obama put her up for the United States Supreme Court position.

00:19:29.000 68 total people voted.

00:19:31.000 And I think that's like eight or nine Republicans that probably voted because there was about 58 Democrats at the time.

00:19:35.000 Look, there's a reason why they don't do videos in the courtroom.

00:19:38.000 They do audio only.

00:19:39.000 There's another reason why they don't do any audio at all whatsoever when the U.S. Supreme Court justices meet privately.

00:19:45.000 So here's how this works, right?

00:19:46.000 So they'll hear the Roe versus Wade case, the Dobbs case.

00:19:50.000 They'll convene privately, all nine of them around a table, and they'll argue.

00:19:55.000 They'll have discussions.

00:19:57.000 Scalia used to talk about how he and Ruth Bader Ginsburg would have heated discussions about natural rights and private property and who's actually the sovereign.

00:20:07.000 But that's supposed to happen privately because without the examination of the media, you can really dive into somebody without the potential cost of embarrassment, right?

00:20:18.000 In that way, you're able to actually find out where the best ideas are.

00:20:21.000 You know this, where if you've had some of your most probably fruitful conversation with some of your friends, where you know that you're in private, where you know that you're not going to be recorded.

00:20:29.000 That's not to say you're saying anything wrong, but you know you can also say, like, this might be a stupid question, or maybe make me think this way about this, is that the whole idea of being in private and not in public is fundamental actually to become wise.

00:20:43.000 You're not able to improve your argument if you're constantly being filmed all the time, right?

00:20:47.000 Now, there is a time and place for filming people.

00:20:49.000 I do it a lot on college campuses when you want to expose, you want to draw out bad ideas, you want to persuade people.

00:20:55.000 The Supreme Court is not in the business of persuasion, though.

00:20:58.000 They might be trying to persuade a law student at Princeton a couple years down the road, but really they're trying to convince themselves.

00:21:07.000 They're trying to persuade one of the nine, right?

00:21:10.000 And so a free society will no longer be free if the branch of government that is supposed to be interpreting the laws is all of a sudden able to leak decisions before they happen, and it goes into kind of whatever activist group is able to mobilize the most people in front of the United States Supreme Court.

00:21:28.000 It's directly playing into the aims and the ambitions of Planned Parenthood and Emily's list.

00:21:35.000 And make no mistake, there is a profit incentive for Planned Parenthood.

00:21:38.000 They are a for, well, they're a nonprofit, but they print money.

00:21:42.000 They're an abortion factory in a lot of places across the country where they receive $500 million of taxpayer funding.

00:21:50.000 And in addition, this decision, closing down Planned Parenthoods across America, would destroy the bottom line of so many abortion companies across America.

00:22:00.000 But all of this is supposed to happen in private.

00:22:04.000 We must understand that some of the most consequential Supreme Court decisions that you probably support all happen in private.

00:22:14.000 And there's a reason for that because you want someone like Scalia, who obviously was phenomenal.

00:22:20.000 You wanted someone like now Kavanaugh or Alito to be able to really be able to present their argument.

00:22:24.000 And maybe it won't be fruitful, but it's supposed to be immune from external forces.

00:22:31.000 And that might be silly, you know, like kind of woefully idealistic, but actually it works pretty well.

00:22:37.000 It's supposed to be that these nine justices should be influenced by their colleagues, by their own writings, and by what the Constitution says.

00:22:45.000 And that's it.

00:22:46.000 This destroys all of it.

00:22:51.000 This destroys our core institution of the United States Supreme Court.

00:22:54.000 If this precedent is allowed to stand, anytime there will be a decision cooked up that either the right or the left doesn't like, they'll leak it and protests go.

00:23:02.000 I want to give you an equivalent type of hypothetical.

00:23:07.000 If the U.S. Supreme Court was going to rule that guns were illegal and they must be confiscated, imagine if Clarence Thomas leaked that to Breitbart.com and the millions of gun owners that would show up in Washington, D.C. Do you think the media would be calling that a heroic leak or would they be calling it an insurrection?

00:23:29.000 And the level of outrage the left is reaching.

00:23:32.000 I haven't seen them this mad since Elon bought Twitter.

00:23:34.000 Well, that was like last week, right?

00:23:36.000 So I haven't seen this mad.

00:23:37.000 It's like they just go from one hysteria to the other.

00:23:40.000 It's like, wear two masks when you shower.

00:23:43.000 My body, my choice, which hilariously is different than the whole forced vaccination argument.

00:23:48.000 We must support Ukraine.

00:23:50.000 Everything's systemically racist.

00:23:52.000 And now, straight in.

00:23:54.000 This is a very important point, though.

00:23:56.000 A civilization cannot survive if you're constantly at war with one another over mass hysteria events.

00:24:04.000 Winston Churchill had a phenomenal quote where he said, he fears the future of liberty if a civilization is always at each other's throats.

00:24:13.000 You think about that.

00:24:14.000 Churchill's super wise guy, the greatest man to live in the 20th century, that you can't be free if you're constantly at each other's throats.

00:24:22.000 And I'm paraphrasing, he said, I fear for the future of liberty if you're constantly at war with one another.

00:24:30.000 And that's basically where we're headed.

00:24:32.000 The country will become less free because of all of this.

00:24:35.000 And again, this does not outlaw abortion.

00:24:38.000 I wish it did, but it does not.

00:24:40.000 We just have to be factual.

00:24:43.000 Protesters rushed to the Supreme Court last night, young adults protesting at the Supreme Court, chanting, my body, my choice, hilariously.

00:24:53.000 Never heard this at all during the forced vaccination arguments.

00:24:56.000 Play Cut 22.

00:24:59.000 My choice!

00:25:00.000 My body!

00:25:11.000 choice!

00:25:13.000 My body, my choice!

00:25:14.000 And if you don't get a vaccine, I'm going to audit you and put you in prison.

00:25:17.000 Really?

00:25:18.000 That's interesting.

00:25:19.000 It's like the inherent walking contradiction of these people.

00:25:22.000 So incredible.

00:25:24.000 Cut 23, Judicial Crisis Network journalist Carrie Severino, she does a phenomenal job. 0.98

00:25:29.000 Leaks have never happened before.

00:25:30.000 This has never happened in American history.

00:25:32.000 Of course, they would do it for abortion. 0.99

00:25:34.000 It is a sacred practice of the left.

00:25:37.000 I'll let you figure that out or come to your own conclusions.

00:25:37.000 Why?

00:25:41.000 If you do not have the medical ability, I don't want to say medical, that's not even true.

00:25:45.000 If you do not have the, let's say, sinister technology available to be able to terminate children, the left will do anything to preserve it.

00:25:54.000 Play Cut 23.

00:25:56.000 Yeah, you know, it's absolutely jaw-dropping to have a leak like this, even when, and you can only think of a handful of times that even just the outcome of a case might have been leaked shortly before an opinion is released.

00:26:08.000 This is presumably months ahead of time, and a full draft text of the opinion.

00:26:13.000 But this should not surprise you, though.

00:26:16.000 It shouldn't surprise you because who we're dealing with.

00:26:18.000 These are the people that spied on Trump illegally, organized the entire government against him.

00:26:23.000 These are the people that concocted a mail-in balloting scheme.

00:26:27.000 These are the people that implemented a president of the United States.

00:26:30.000 These are the people that lied about the Hunter Biden laptop, calling it Russian disinformation, mobilizing 50 former Intel people to lie about it.

00:26:41.000 When the left starts to not get their way, they go to extra constitutional means.

00:26:46.000 Let me say that again.

00:26:47.000 When the left starts to not get their way on things that really matter, like they'll allow a decision here or there, you know, school choice or whatever.

00:26:55.000 They'll find workarounds.

00:26:56.000 There is no workaround from a state allowing the outlawing of abortion.

00:27:01.000 There isn't.

00:27:02.000 And for them, this is the line.

00:27:06.000 They need to be hysterical over this.

00:27:08.000 They need to be outraged.

00:27:11.000 Required.

00:27:13.000 Their entire political movement is built around this.

00:27:17.000 And now this once non-political branch of government that, yes, is fundamental to our entire way of life has now become highly politicized.

00:27:30.000 Now, will the leaker be investigated, arrested?

00:27:33.000 I hope so.

00:27:35.000 The person will probably get a book deal with the New York Times called My Heroic Stand: Why I Leaked the Decision Ahead of Time.

00:27:44.000 Okay.

00:27:46.000 But what it really should make you worried about on a variety of levels is these kind of unspoken rules that we used to govern ourselves under, these very simple, agreed-upon principles, such as allowing the court to make a decision, separation of powers, consent to the governed, all of it is now permanently being put in jeopardy by the left-wing activists and the media.

00:28:16.000 Now, there's another take on this that I think is rather optimistic.

00:28:19.000 Not only that abortion will now be hopefully outlawed in many states, which is a very positive thing, but I think there's another wrinkle when it comes to this that I think we need to really consider, which is if Roe versus Wade is able to be repealed, then we as conservatives legitimately can do anything we put our mind to. 0.63

00:28:41.000 If you would have told me five years ago that we could get Roe versus Wade repealed, I'd say that is silly, idealistic thinking.

00:28:47.000 But it isn't. 0.76

00:28:48.000 It's not silly, idealistic thinking.

00:28:51.000 Now it's real.

00:28:53.000 Now it took a lot of time.

00:28:58.000 It took work.

00:29:00.000 But now you look at Roe versus Wade, the sacred cow of the American left that very well might be repealed in just a couple of weeks.

00:29:12.000 If we look at ourselves as dissidents, anything is now possible.

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00:30:22.000 Rachel Maddow is right here in this cut right here.

00:30:25.000 Cut 34.

00:30:25.000 Rachel Maddow says the legitimacy of the court isn't just an academic thing.

00:30:29.000 It's a question of if their rulings are followed.

00:30:32.000 And if they're not, they don't have an army to implement things.

00:30:34.000 She's exactly right.

00:30:35.000 Is she trying to say that we shouldn't follow the court if they overturn Roe versus Wade?

00:30:40.000 Certainly feels like it.

00:30:41.000 And by the way, it wouldn't be unprecedented.

00:30:42.000 The left doesn't enforce immigration law in San Francisco, LA, Chicago, Seattle, or Portland, or New York.

00:30:47.000 They create sanctuary cities.

00:30:50.000 They just don't follow the laws they don't like, yet we continue to follow the rules as conservatives.

00:30:53.000 Wonder why?

00:30:54.000 Why do we keep doing that?

00:30:55.000 Play cut 34.

00:30:57.000 The legitimacy of the court is just an academic thing.

00:31:00.000 It's a question as to whether or not their rulings are followed.

00:31:03.000 And if they're not, they don't have an army.

00:31:05.000 They don't have a police force to implement these things.

00:31:09.000 It does feel like this gets us closer to that edge, too.

00:31:14.000 No, it's the opposite, Rachel, actually.

00:31:16.000 It's only if people decide not to follow the law.

00:31:20.000 You see, getting rid of evil is never easy.

00:31:24.000 Getting rid of evil, I mean, it took an entire war for us to get rid of slavery.

00:31:28.000 Now, some people say, Charlie, how dare you compare slavery with abortion?

00:31:32.000 Well, you could say, how dare I all I want?

00:31:34.000 I mean, the massacring of children is wrong.

00:31:38.000 The imprisonment of people is wrong against their will, or the ownership of people against their will is wrong.

00:31:44.000 Life begins at conception.

00:31:45.000 It's just not a debated fact.

00:31:48.000 In fact, we have some good videos, I think, coming out at Berkeley when I was talking to some folks there.

00:31:54.000 Boy, would that be a good time to post some of those.

00:31:57.000 And so you look at Alito's opinion.

00:32:00.000 There's a lot there.

00:32:01.000 But basically, Alito said, quote, until the latter part of the 20th century, there was no support in American law for a constitutional right to obtain an abortion.

00:32:09.000 Zero, none.

00:32:10.000 No state constitutional provision had recognized such a right.

00:32:15.000 It's well said.

00:32:17.000 And some people say, well, this is settled law.

00:32:19.000 You know, Roe versus Wade never was passed by Congress.

00:32:23.000 Roe versus Wade was judicial activism overturning the will of the states.

00:32:29.000 So let me get this straight.

00:32:31.000 California wants to be able to have post-birth abortions, but they don't want to be able to have Mississippi to be able to outlaw abortions.

00:32:37.000 Why do they care so much about what Mississippi and Alabama are doing?

00:32:39.000 Just send it back to the states.

00:32:40.000 That's all this decision was going to do.

00:32:43.000 Alito claims, quote, an unbroken tradition of prohibiting abortion on the pain of criminal punishment from the earliest days of common law in 1973.

00:32:52.000 It looks like the court is going to overturn this.

00:32:57.000 It looks like the court is going to overturn Roe versus Wade.

00:33:00.000 The left is not going to go down easy.

00:33:02.000 Get ready.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - May 03, 2022

Unpacking "The Supreme Leak" and the End of Roe

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