The Charlie Kirk Show - December 19, 2021


Unravelling the Lies of the Enlightenment with Jack Posobiec


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Where did we go wrong post Enlightenment? Could it have been the Enlightenment itself? Jack Peaden, founder of Turning Point USA and host of the Charlie Kirk Show on the CharlieKirk Show, joins us to answer that question.

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00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody, happy Sunday.
00:00:01.000 Today I'm the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:00:02.000 It's my conversation with Jack Poseobic from Human Events Daily, Turning Point USA Production.
00:00:07.000 We talk about everything.
00:00:08.000 Basically, we say, where did we go wrong post-Enlightenment?
00:00:11.000 Hint.
00:00:12.000 It might have been the Enlightenment itself.
00:00:14.000 It's a great conversation with Jack Pisobic.
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00:01:06.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
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00:01:20.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.
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00:01:57.000 Charlie Kirk, the founder of Turning Point USA, the host of the Charlie Kirk show.
00:02:03.000 We've got you here for Human Events Daily.
00:02:05.000 And so, Charlie, when I go on your show and I've seen people respond, they say, they like, they're like, you guys like you, because you kind of unpack things and you go deeper about it.
00:02:15.000 And, you know, we'll make references to things.
00:02:17.000 We'll get into different stuff, but we're always kind of driven by the news of the day.
00:02:21.000 We're always kind of driven by reacting to whatever crazy thing has come out next, you know, CNN's up to, whatever they're up to.
00:02:29.000 How did we get here?
00:02:32.000 And I don't just mean me and you or any of this.
00:02:34.000 I mean, how did the West go from the towering world power, right?
00:02:40.000 The driver of actual, you know, progress and intellectual thought and industrialization in the world to this sort of corrupted, backward, and really decaying kind of situation that we're in now.
00:02:57.000 What do you think?
00:02:58.000 Well, yeah, I think we've managed to hang ourselves with the rope of our own creation.
00:03:04.000 I'm a conservative that's unafraid to say that not everything that came out of the Enlightenment was good.
00:03:10.000 That's like a thought crime in some right circles.
00:03:12.000 It's true.
00:03:12.000 I really don't care.
00:03:13.000 The Enlightenment was great for some things, obviously.
00:03:16.000 David French is not going to like this podcast.
00:03:18.000 Well, but yeah, you have to be, you have to, but first, the most important question is: when do you think the Enlightenment began?
00:03:23.000 Right.
00:03:24.000 That's the most important question, right?
00:03:26.000 Yes.
00:03:26.000 And French would say that it began with like Spinoza or Galileo.
00:03:32.000 Well, it obviously started Machiavelli.
00:03:34.000 Right.
00:03:35.000 And Machiavelli, and maybe if French would agree with this, I don't know.
00:03:39.000 I don't want to put words in his mouth.
00:03:40.000 And his own words will suffice for prosecution against him of his thoughts, I should say.
00:03:45.000 So we should say the Frenchist.
00:03:47.000 Yeah, the Frenchist.
00:03:48.000 Yeah, like it's really important because Niccolio Machiavelli in 1532, right, Connor?
00:03:53.000 Yeah.
00:03:54.000 He wrote The Prince.
00:03:55.000 And one of the most famous lines or sentiments was, why are we focusing so much on these imaginary republics, a direct stab towards Plato, like 2,000 years before?
00:04:06.000 And he's like, we know what we want.
00:04:07.000 Why don't we just go get it?
00:04:09.000 And this is why don't we just go take it?
00:04:12.000 Now, this was considered to be really unthinkable in heavily Catholic dominated Italy at the time and Europe where, you know, tradition and order and something that came before you that must always anchor you, this idea that you just can't be stumbling towards, you know, inevitable abyss. 0.99
00:04:32.000 And Machiavelli's like, that's stupid. 0.96
00:04:33.000 I know what we want. 1.00
00:04:34.000 Let's just go get it.
00:04:36.000 And in a lot of ways, he liberated political thought.
00:04:39.000 He was the first kind of political theorist.
00:04:41.000 Aristotle was too, but definitely in Europe.
00:04:44.000 And Machiavelli is also known for his most famous line, you know, popularized by a lot of different people, which is the ends justify the means.
00:04:53.000 You hear that a lot.
00:04:54.000 That's kind of like very Machiavellian, but he wasn't wrong about everything.
00:04:57.000 He was right about a lot of different power dynamics.
00:05:00.000 So I think that a lot of people, though, when they look at sort of, you know, whether you want to call this wokeism or, you know, we eventually find ourselves in the social justice era.
00:05:10.000 France, of course, found themselves there much faster.
00:05:12.000 Those are all too much.
00:05:14.000 The person who is.
00:05:15.000 Here's my thing, though.
00:05:16.000 They wouldn't say that they are being Machiavellian.
00:05:19.000 They're saying, hey, we're just trying to build a better world.
00:05:22.000 We're just trying to.
00:05:23.000 They're all living in Machiavelli's world, though.
00:05:25.000 I mean, Machiavelli, again, they stole a little from Rousseau.
00:05:29.000 They stole a little from Machiavelli.
00:05:30.000 Plato even talked about imaginary republics and like this idea of utopia, even though Machiavelli went after it.
00:05:35.000 The point is this, to kind of like de-philosophize this, because I could just see people being like, who are all these people?
00:05:40.000 It's not your job.
00:05:40.000 That's fine.
00:05:41.000 You don't have to worry about it.
00:05:42.000 Friedrich Nietzsche, he saw this coming before anyone else.
00:05:46.000 And he was willing to write about it.
00:05:47.000 Now, he was an atheist, lost his mind towards the end of his life, wrote extensively about kind of how the West needs to recreate its own values.
00:05:55.000 Now, it's really important because Nietzsche wrote God is Dead.
00:05:58.000 He was not celebrating it.
00:06:00.000 A lot of people get this wrong.
00:06:01.000 He's lamented.
00:06:01.000 Right.
00:06:03.000 And you know what?
00:06:04.000 What quote I actually just read very recently?
00:06:06.000 It was one of the last things that Solzhenitsyn wrote.
00:06:10.000 Hulag Archipelago.
00:06:12.000 And it ties directly into this because he said, and after my five decades of writing about this revolution, of course, the Russian revolution and everything that happened and all the atrocities, if you asked me to summarize all of it into one thing, he says it's that man forgot God and replaced him with ideology.
00:06:36.000 Sorry to steal your thunder on that.
00:06:37.000 And that's, and that's Solzhenitsyn.
00:06:39.000 And it's amazing to see that you've got Solzhenitsyn and Nietzsche.
00:06:44.000 Well, they're both looking at the same thing.
00:06:46.000 And so one at the beginning and then one at the end.
00:06:46.000 Yeah.
00:06:48.000 So then Nietzsche gave not Nietzsche.
00:06:49.000 Solzhenitsyn gave a speech, the Harvard commencement of 79.
00:06:55.000 Where's Connor?
00:06:56.000 I need Connor around here.
00:06:57.000 76, 77, 70.
00:06:59.000 Everybody needs to watch this.
00:07:00.000 Yeah, so it was delivered in Russian and it was outdoors and it like rained and like whatever. 0.60
00:07:05.000 And everybody thought it was going to be this like celebratory USSR is bad. 0.97
00:07:10.000 The West is good. 0.87
00:07:11.000 Harvard is the leader of the eulogy of the West.
00:07:13.000 It was you have become materialistic.
00:07:17.000 All you care about is the here and now.
00:07:18.000 You're totally secular.
00:07:20.000 You've totally cut yourself off from spiritual life and all you care about is getting your next product.
00:07:26.000 These atomized atavistic relationships that you have.
00:07:30.000 You treat people like commodities here.
00:07:32.000 And he really just came in and destroyed, destroyed what we think of as the West.
00:07:39.000 And obviously he was listened to a little bit.
00:07:41.000 People were just kind of shocked.
00:07:42.000 And he gets this like pitter-patter of, wait, what's going on?
00:07:45.000 And I want to find out the year that he gave that speech because it's actually really important.
00:07:45.000 Yeah.
00:07:49.000 Because it was right when the Soviet Union was like falling or about to fall, whatever.
00:07:53.000 Point is that people were the end was kind of in sight yeah, and people were expecting a typical kind of dissident speech from another country.
00:08:02.000 Right, like I was there.
00:08:04.000 It's bad.
00:08:04.000 Instead it's like, no no no, what's there is now coming here, and we could go through many other thinkers.
00:08:10.000 Nietzsche and Solzhanitsen obviously stand out.
00:08:12.000 So you ask the question, how did we get here?
00:08:15.000 I mean the cult of progress over the last 500 years, and that's not to say that improvements and adjustments have not been necessary nor beneficial to the human experience.
00:08:27.000 Right, because I always hear people say this is it was started by the industrial revolution.
00:08:32.000 I think I think the industrial revolution fuels it in many ways.
00:08:32.000 No, I think that's wrong.
00:08:37.000 It exaggerates a lot of it.
00:08:39.000 We're this is talk.
00:08:40.000 We're talking about 300 years prior.
00:08:42.000 Yeah, we're talking about again.
00:08:44.000 We could go back to Machiavelli, and then, after Machiavelli, you had the social contract theorists, and the one that we overemphasize in conservative tradition is John Locke.
00:08:54.000 Yes, the one we hate is Jean-jacque Rousseau rightfully got everything, basically everything, wrong.
00:08:59.000 My favorite part of Rousseau is when he says, you know, if we can just go back to the natural world where all the animals are, because they're in such harmony.
00:09:05.000 I'm like, no, I mean, have you spent any time watching animals in the natural world? 0.91
00:09:10.000 Right, I mean, and Rousseau was a super hypocrite and spent a lot of time in Geneva Switzerland, doing things he shouldn't have done.
00:09:16.000 But like he, he appeals to young people because he's super romantic and how he writes and he was a novelist. 0.85
00:09:21.000 These guys, I mean, these guys are dreamers and he led to the French Revolution.
00:09:25.000 But, but the one we don't talk about and we like that, but I don't like that.
00:09:28.000 I don't like when those people are in charge.
00:09:30.000 Well obviously, I mean yeah, I mean, you get Robespierre if yes exactly, you actually apply results, you get the actual and remember the, even the word terrorism right, this comes from the front, from the French revolution, because we must institute terrorism to go after the counterrevolutionaries.
00:09:47.000 And look I, I i'm by no means an expert on this, but i've studied enough to have an informed opinion, and you know, people like Matt Peterson or Ryan Williams from Claremont would be much more articulate on this than I.
00:09:57.000 But I agree with them, which is there was something that happened as soon as you have the Machiavelli's political stake in the ground and then followed quickly, not by the industrial revolution by the scientific revolution yes and, and this is the more important thing that we have to focus on, which is the science becoming an actual thing, which is largely thanks to sir Francis Bacon who, by the way, was a Christian.
00:10:20.000 It's debated, but he was a Christian.
00:10:22.000 Sir Isaac Newton, who was a devout Christian, wrote more about the prophecies of Isaiah than actually the natural world, but then you had philosophers that started to wrestle with this question.
00:10:31.000 Well then, if we can dominate the natural world, what good is this religion?
00:10:35.000 I'm talking about people like Jeremy Bentham uh, Jon Stuart Mill, who weren't about atheists, and so this.
00:10:41.000 But then eventually the, the man himself uh, who was, you know obviously, the most famous atheist um basically, who led to all the rest of them um, my goodness, he's from England um, i'll think of it in a second but sorry, go ahead, not Mill, but no no no, not Mill.
00:10:56.000 Or Bentham um, i'll think of it in a sec yeah, but anyway.
00:11:00.000 So then you get, and of course, we have the new atheist today right, but Hitchens and all these guys, and Harris, they all come from This tradition.
00:11:05.000 Right.
00:11:06.000 And so, and Dawkins.
00:11:07.000 And so you have this situation then where it is the here and now, it's the natural world.
00:11:14.000 It's what's going on.
00:11:15.000 What's in front of my face is the only thing that matters, right?
00:11:19.000 And there's, this is summed up.
00:11:20.000 There's a great meme that's been going around that I love.
00:11:22.000 It's, it's sort of the modernist thinking versus medieval thinking.
00:11:26.000 Have you seen this one?
00:11:27.000 Yes.
00:11:28.000 And it's modernist thinking is birth, life, and there's like this huge compendium of the spectrum of life.
00:11:35.000 And then death is like another line and it just says question mark afterwards, where versus medieval thinking was birth, then life very quickly.
00:11:42.000 Or actually, first is knit in my mother's womb, amazing.
00:11:47.000 Birth, then life, which are kind of like equal, and then eternity in heaven or hell.
00:11:52.000 And that's this huge, broad, never-ending stretch.
00:11:55.000 So we essentially killed eternity, right?
00:12:00.000 And that's, that is what Nietzsche was talking about.
00:12:03.000 You get rid of God, you get rid of eternity.
00:12:04.000 You get rid of eternity, you get rid of judgment.
00:12:06.000 You get rid of judgment.
00:12:06.000 Yes.
00:12:07.000 Of course, then all you're going to be worrying about is number one, the here and now.
00:12:11.000 You don't care about what happens afterwards.
00:12:13.000 But you also have this situation where, and you can see this throughout the world today, where it's like secularists keep trying to make their own religiosities of science, of the climate, of whatever else.
00:12:29.000 That's right, right?
00:12:29.000 Whatever is veganism.
00:12:31.000 David Hume, by the way.
00:12:32.000 David Hume.
00:12:32.000 Yes.
00:12:33.000 There you go.
00:12:33.000 It's so obvious.
00:12:34.000 Can't remember every name, but I remember a lot about him.
00:12:36.000 So you're right.
00:12:37.000 And so this is where the founders were brilliant and they weren't taken seriously.
00:12:40.000 So the founders knew that the balance between the benefits of the Enlightenment and the anchoring of antiquity was the only way that human civilization and Hamilton were basically there.
00:12:56.000 They're kind of so Jefferson goes all in on the French Revolution.
00:13:00.000 And then Hamilton is like, you know what I mean.
00:13:03.000 Yeah, I mean, the letters for him and Madison are the most.
00:13:05.000 Right.
00:13:06.000 And then you've got Hamilton out there saying, no, I want a king.
00:13:09.000 I want a monarchy.
00:13:10.000 We want all of this.
00:13:11.000 And so between the two, you do get that.
00:13:13.000 Yeah, Madison split the middle. 1.00
00:13:15.000 The most interesting letters are the most famous, Edmund Burke and Thomas Paine going back and forth on this, right?
00:13:19.000 Where Thomas Paine was just like a revolutionary shopper.
00:13:22.000 He liked the American Revolution, French Revolution.
00:13:24.000 Edmund Burke was like, I understand the American Revolution, hated the French Revolution.
00:13:29.000 But so let's take John Adams, for example, right?
00:13:31.000 Big John Adams fan.
00:13:32.000 He didn't write the U.S. Constitution, but I was heavily instrumental in the American founding.
00:13:37.000 I spoke fluent Hebrew, could read Hebrew.
00:13:41.000 There's a reason why he said that the American project, basically, or the Constitution was made wholly for a moral religious people.
00:13:51.000 It's totally inadequate for the people of any other. 0.99
00:13:54.000 Right. 0.95
00:13:54.000 Because you would have had, in the society they were writing for, you had a society that was based around the Bible in many ways. 0.95
00:14:02.000 It was the centerpiece of all existence.
00:14:05.000 You know, anything, any dispute, you would go back.
00:14:08.000 You're quoting it.
00:14:10.000 Many of the original meetings are held in church halls for the revolution.
00:14:15.000 Everybody sort of knew this was generally the shared setting.
00:14:18.000 Yeah, and so yeah, let's just be practical about this, though, for our audience, right?
00:14:23.000 So the Overton window is a great way to look at this, but like in 1800s, America, people say, oh, it's terrible.
00:14:29.000 There was slavery, even though it was on the way out.
00:14:30.000 It was terrible. 0.98
00:14:31.000 Women couldn't vote, even though that was, you know, being solved in Victoria. 1.00
00:14:34.000 But yes, there were adjustments that obviously need to be made.
00:14:36.000 But on the other side, what were the, what are the negatives over social progress in 200 years?
00:14:43.000 I'll tell you how.
00:14:44.000 I'll tell you some of them.
00:14:45.000 Where I talk to parents and they tell me, yeah, my 15-year-old is sexually active and I don't know what to do about it.
00:14:51.000 Yeah.
00:14:52.000 Or how about this?
00:14:53.000 Where like a majority of young men in America are addicted to internet pornography.
00:14:56.000 Billie Eilish just came out and said that she's been in, I don't think she said she was addicted, but she was watching.
00:15:03.000 She said starting at age 11.
00:15:04.000 11.
00:15:05.000 And by the way, that's why she's been so quasi-demonic in all of her.
00:15:09.000 She's been watching pornography since 11 years.
00:15:12.000 And we know what it does to the brain.
00:15:14.000 We know what it does to the individual.
00:15:15.000 We know what it does to neuroplasticity.
00:15:19.000 We know all those things.
00:15:21.000 And so this was the founding father's prediction, which is, and Thomas Jefferson even talked about it, which is, okay, you're going to have the ability to do all this stuff.
00:15:29.000 You'll have Tinder.
00:15:30.000 You'll have OnlyFans.
00:15:32.000 Yes, exactly.
00:15:33.000 You have all this stuff.
00:15:34.000 What's to stop you?
00:15:35.000 And basically, modernity says, nothing, go for it.
00:15:38.000 Yeah, you get the most depressed, suicidal, drug-addicted, alcohol, obese, least productive, miserable generation in history.
00:15:45.000 And it's amazing, too, because we live, even with everything else going on right now.
00:15:52.000 Can you think of a society that's more affluent than ours?
00:15:55.000 But that, yeah, that's the, that's where materially.
00:15:57.000 Now, if you want to go down to like where based conservatives are, we're like, so what?
00:16:02.000 Exactly.
00:16:02.000 And that's all of a sudden the thought crime.
00:16:03.000 Now, I'm not dismissing grocery stores full of food.
00:16:06.000 I think that's a beautiful thing.
00:16:07.000 No, but I love it.
00:16:08.000 Here's our thing, right?
00:16:09.000 How do you have grocery stores full of food?
00:16:11.000 Which is a great thing.
00:16:12.000 You have, and obviously, take COVID out of the equation.
00:16:16.000 We have a jobs market that is generally very, very good.
00:16:19.000 We have a standard of living that's beyond the average middle-class person today has things that the monarchs have to do with the 1800s, like IB profen, just like I have a headache.
00:16:33.000 Good luck trying to get it.
00:16:34.000 At the same time, at the same time, the psychiatrist's office are full, the therapist's office are full.
00:16:39.000 You can barely get them.
00:16:41.000 The mortgage is a full, you're getting, everyone's getting on some medication or another.
00:16:46.000 So we're depressed, we're upset.
00:16:47.000 Suicides are on the rise.
00:16:49.000 And yet we also live in such a time of abundance.
00:16:52.000 How do you square it?
00:16:53.000 Well, I think they're directly correlated, though.
00:16:55.000 I mean, I think that, first of all, the abundance was made possible quicker because we decided to forsake a lot of moral guardrails, because we decided to re-domicile industrial plants to China and not look after our fellow countrymen, because we decided to act as if another screen is going to solve all of our problems while not disciplining or actually raising our children.
00:17:16.000 Because we never ever wanted to have a conversation about children being born out of wedlock or fathers not in the home or the destruction of the church or the nonstop propaganda campaign against American Christianity, which is everywhere.
00:17:27.000 Who needs any of those things? 0.90
00:17:28.000 Right, exactly.
00:17:29.000 That doesn't contribute to that.
00:17:30.000 What I think is interesting, though, is that, and this is why Jordan Peterson was so popular.
00:17:34.000 And I think people get Jordan wrong.
00:17:37.000 And I have a lot of respect for him.
00:17:38.000 I know people on the far right don't like him.
00:17:40.000 I don't know if you're a Jordan fan or not.
00:17:41.000 I've heard some like weird criticisms.
00:17:44.000 I think he's super smart.
00:17:45.000 I like him a lot.
00:17:46.000 He's a friend.
00:17:46.000 I like Jordan, but he is quite Canadian.
00:17:49.000 Put it that way.
00:17:50.000 Yeah.
00:17:50.000 And again, I really have no patience for a lot of the crises of Toronto.
00:17:54.000 I see things, see things from him like I do all the time.
00:17:56.000 I have all my vaccinations and I can't believe they're not allowing me to.
00:17:59.000 It's like Jordan. 0.99
00:18:00.000 I don't listen to anybody.
00:18:01.000 He's literally right about not complying with tyrannical receipts.
00:18:06.000 That's probably fair.
00:18:07.000 But here's where I think why Jordan got really popular.
00:18:10.000 But don't get me wrong.
00:18:10.000 Don't get me wrong.
00:18:11.000 I've gone to see Jordan.
00:18:12.000 I have his book.
00:18:13.000 I've interviewed him.
00:18:14.000 But let me tell you why I think he got popular and why I think he resonated is that he pinpointed people were miserable.
00:18:21.000 Yes.
00:18:22.000 And he gave people a reasonable platform to believe in ancient texts and religious structure.
00:18:30.000 Yes.
00:18:30.000 Where all of a sudden they're like, oh, so by the way, I believe every word of the Bible, totally true, inerrancy of scripture, right?
00:18:37.000 I believe in Joan of the Whale to the sea being parted, the whole thing.
00:18:40.000 It's not allegorical.
00:18:41.000 It's literal.
00:18:43.000 It's true.
00:18:43.000 Okay.
00:18:44.000 And you believe the same as a Catholic or you should. 0.92
00:18:46.000 Which is. 0.96
00:18:47.000 The C literally was part of it.
00:18:48.000 No, of course it was.
00:18:49.000 Obviously.
00:18:50.000 Absolutely.
00:18:50.000 But the point is that Jordan didn't make a claim on that.
00:18:53.000 Instead, he said, what is the deeper philosophical, psychological reason you should care about this?
00:18:59.000 And so explain to me how people writing the Bible thousands and thousands of years before any of this science or psychology or et cetera was studied, and they got it all right.
00:19:12.000 It's just the word of God.
00:19:13.000 I mean, I'll give you an example.
00:19:14.000 So let's talk about the creation story.
00:19:16.000 Right.
00:19:16.000 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
00:19:19.000 So it says very specifically that God created ex nihilo out of nothing, right?
00:19:23.000 It's a Hebrew word.
00:19:24.000 Yes.
00:19:24.000 So one of the ex nihilos was that God hovered over the darkness of the earth.
00:19:29.000 That's like a weird thing to say, right?
00:19:31.000 Yes.
00:19:32.000 New science shows the earth was completely dark at some point.
00:19:40.000 That precisely what it says, that no matter what your creation story is, big bang or whatever, that there was darkness over all the earth, meaning clouds covered the entire earth.
00:19:50.000 There was no light.
00:19:51.000 Right.
00:19:51.000 So my, I mean, I remember being a kid reading about, you know, so I'm reading the seven days of creation and, well, it's a day of being rest.
00:19:59.000 But then I always remember going to, you know, my teacher and saying, well, what is a day to God?
00:20:05.000 Yeah.
00:20:05.000 And so this is hotly debated.
00:20:08.000 You know, I'm a literalist.
00:20:09.000 You're a literalist.
00:20:10.000 I believe a day is a day.
00:20:11.000 And I could go into the actual Hebrew of what a day is.
00:20:13.000 But if you believe it's meaning a 24-hour public.
00:20:16.000 But that's correct.
00:20:16.000 But it's actually completely irrelevant.
00:20:19.000 What I also get, though, and I find amazing is every time, and let me just get to the point, is every time we uncover something new about the creation of the planet, it fits.
00:20:28.000 Yes, every single time.
00:20:31.000 And even the stages that it goes through.
00:20:33.000 Well, yeah.
00:20:34.000 Every single one of them.
00:20:35.000 Everything from quarantining someone who's sick, that's one of the Levitical laws, washing your hands before you eat.
00:20:39.000 That's one of the Levitical laws.
00:20:40.000 Right.
00:20:41.000 These aren't like, you know, hey, oh, this is crazy stuff.
00:20:44.000 No, no, really.
00:20:44.000 Like, don't, don't do these things.
00:20:46.000 This is clean.
00:20:47.000 Yes, exactly.
00:20:48.000 And so.
00:20:49.000 But before they, before germ theory was even theory was even entertained, by the way, thousands of years.
00:20:53.000 In the 1400s and 1500s, you had people that were bloodletting against Levitical law.
00:20:59.000 And if they would have just followed what the Bible was saying, the Old Testament was saying, it very well could have been informative.
00:21:05.000 There's actually a lot of that in natural health when it comes to dietary standards.
00:21:09.000 They also point that out as well.
00:21:10.000 Well, though, if you eat kosher, you will live a better life.
00:21:12.000 There's no doubt.
00:21:13.000 Now, it's more expensive.
00:21:14.000 It doesn't taste as good.
00:21:15.000 It's twice the price and half the taste is the joke.
00:21:18.000 You will be healthy.
00:21:19.000 Totally.
00:21:19.000 Your body was designed for a specific.
00:21:21.000 If you don't eat shrimps, mollusks, who would eat a mollusk, oysters, or like sea urchins, every study shows that's way better for you.
00:21:29.000 There's full of bacteria.
00:21:30.000 It's hard to digest.
00:21:31.000 But also, it's like putting dairy on that of a meat.
00:21:34.000 It's not necessarily great for you.
00:21:35.000 Cheeseburgers are actually way worse for you than hamburgers.
00:21:37.000 I could go on and on and on, right?
00:21:39.000 The dietary standards, how to clean it beforehand.
00:21:41.000 And so anyway, you ask the question, how is it that it's right?
00:21:44.000 Well, it's because it actually happened and that this book built everything that we know.
00:21:49.000 So we took that book, we, you know, the West, took that book and said, we're going to put this on the shelf.
00:21:54.000 We're going to let it accumulate dust.
00:21:56.000 We're going to let the spider webs crawl all over it. 1.00
00:21:58.000 Well, sure, you can go to church on Sunday and do whatever, pray to your cross or whatever, but we are going to be over here building a much greater and stronger and more powerful utility.
00:22:07.000 And again, that's why I pinpoint not the Industrial Revolution, but the scientific revolution.
00:22:11.000 The mismanagement of the scientific inquiry into the natural world is why we're in the mess that we're in.
00:22:17.000 And that's where you get Hegel.
00:22:18.000 That's where you get John Dewey.
00:22:20.000 That's where you get the German historicist. 0.59
00:22:22.000 That's where you get all the atrocities in the 20th century.
00:22:24.000 That's where you get Fauci, the CDC.
00:22:26.000 Because it seems like it all comes from the science.
00:22:28.000 If you look at it, it's very beginnings of the scientific revolution. 1.00
00:22:31.000 Much of this was Christians. 0.87
00:22:34.000 There's priests that are involved at Mendel.
00:22:36.000 Of course.
00:22:36.000 There's many people who are involved in this.
00:22:38.000 And there's also, even in Darwin, to an extent.
00:22:41.000 Darwin was a different guy, but you're right.
00:22:43.000 There's been applied to a lot of different things.
00:22:46.000 Right.
00:22:46.000 But there's this idea of we are learning more about God's creation, right?
00:22:51.000 And you can kind of see that throughout the writing.
00:22:53.000 Totally.
00:22:54.000 I mean, but they never saw it as a challenge.
00:22:57.000 So there's a number.
00:22:57.000 I'll get the exact number.
00:22:59.000 So when would you say that that sort of change in thinking took place?
00:23:06.000 Yeah, that's a really good question.
00:23:07.000 So just to reinforce the point, every beautiful piece of music had Solia Dele, basically, I'm getting the Latin word wrong, glory to God at the top of every music, right?
00:23:17.000 Whether it be Bach or Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart or Chopin, whoever, it was all glory behind it.
00:23:22.000 You better mention Frederick Chopin.
00:23:24.000 You better mention Chopin.
00:23:25.000 Of course.
00:23:26.000 And so where did it change?
00:23:28.000 That's an interesting question.
00:23:30.000 The French Revolution played a huge role, more so than the American Revolution.
00:23:34.000 So the American Revolution gets misread by modern day leftists as this kind of liberal moment that we realize that we must throw the shackles off of everything before us and create a new.
00:23:44.000 And the founders never mentioned any of that.
00:23:46.000 In fact, the founding was more.
00:23:47.000 You don't have the guillotines in Philadelphia and New York.
00:23:50.000 Well, yeah, but also just look at the texts.
00:23:53.000 Everything about the text was anchoring towards tradition.
00:23:55.000 One of the course of human events becomes necessary for one people.
00:23:57.000 There's all the political bans that has tied them to another.
00:24:00.000 Right.
00:24:00.000 It's right there.
00:24:01.000 One of the course of human events.
00:24:03.000 And deriving from the equal and just powers of separate stations among them are the laws of nature and nature is God.
00:24:09.000 Laws of nature and nature is God.
00:24:11.000 They went to great pains to tie the American Revolution to the past.
00:24:17.000 Yes. 0.95
00:24:17.000 This is not, we are not throwing the baby out with Baptist. 0.95
00:24:20.000 They're not appealed to the supreme ruler of the earth.
00:24:23.000 That was a direct quote Jefferson put.
00:24:25.000 And this was Jefferson's challenge, which is why I think every school should have a Jefferson statue.
00:24:29.000 Because what he did was so unbelievably remarkable.
00:24:33.000 He was able to mix the immediate with the eternal.
00:24:38.000 He was able to mix the prudent and the practical with the everlasting.
00:24:43.000 They still have, if you go to Philadelphia, it's at Fifth and Market.
00:24:46.000 You can actually go to the building where his apartment was.
00:24:48.000 Oh, is that right?
00:24:49.000 Where he wrote.
00:24:50.000 So you know Philadelphia better than I do.
00:24:51.000 I've been in Independence Hall.
00:24:52.000 And it's not far from New York.
00:24:52.000 Yeah.
00:24:54.000 Which is where it was within the signed, but where it's actually written, which I always thought was really cool.
00:25:00.000 And there was...
00:25:00.000 Not many people know about it either.
00:25:02.000 There was a lust amongst the Thomas Paine types to go even further on the Declaration, of course.
00:25:07.000 But Thomas Jefferson was able to balance.
00:25:09.000 And it gets in very quickly into radical liberalism.
00:25:13.000 Oh, yeah, totally.
00:25:14.000 Afterwards.
00:25:14.000 Well, Paine was a radical liberal in a lot of ways.
00:25:16.000 He was a revolutionary.
00:25:17.000 And we should thank him for stirring up the revolutionary fervor.
00:25:20.000 At the same time, you got to have a lot of respect for how the founders kind of cooled that down and struck that balance.
00:25:28.000 And this is the misreading of the founding, which is that the founding was nothing more than the beginning of a multi-hundred-year progressive movement.
00:25:36.000 Right.
00:25:37.000 That makes sense.
00:25:37.000 And that's a position a lot of conservatives take.
00:25:39.000 Because when we talk about revolutionary politics or revolutionary thinking or revolutionary ideologies, we never really talk about the American Revolution in those terms because inherently, I think we know that it's not, that it wasn't something.
00:25:53.000 Yeah, and I've heard a historian say this.
00:25:54.000 Thomas West, I don't think, agrees with this.
00:25:59.000 It's more of a separation than it was a revolution.
00:26:01.000 Precisely.
00:26:02.000 And I don't want to put words in the great Thomas West's mouth, but that's probably right, I think, because it was more just kind of like, hey, can we go our own way type thing?
00:26:11.000 French Revolution wasn't as, let's say, precisely written.
00:26:15.000 No, that was a little different. 0.99
00:26:17.000 Yeah, they changed the time in the calendar, purged the non-believers. 0.92
00:26:20.000 They ended up killing their own guy, Robespierre.
00:26:23.000 The priests were all wiped out.
00:26:24.000 Of course.
00:26:25.000 Notre Dame was converted into a cult, a temple of reason.
00:26:28.000 The cult of reason replaces the church. 0.97
00:26:30.000 So Christianity is... 1.00
00:26:31.000 Actually, that's super true. 1.00
00:26:33.000 Completely outlaws.
00:26:34.000 I thought I knew a lot about the French Revolution.
00:26:36.000 I don't know that.
00:26:37.000 Completely outlawed.
00:26:37.000 So the church is outlawed.
00:26:38.000 Priests are executed. 0.99
00:26:40.000 They're put into the guillotine. 0.96
00:26:41.000 Literally, the actual children.
00:26:42.000 I did know that.
00:26:43.000 I didn't know that they converted Notre Dame.
00:26:44.000 They convert Notre Dame into a temple to the cult of reason.
00:26:48.000 Oh, and they have holidays.
00:26:50.000 And so they realize that they need to have some type of worship, right?
00:26:57.000 Because they understand, right?
00:26:59.000 They do understand that there is this, they call it, you know, the God-shaped hole, right?
00:27:02.000 Within the human psyche.
00:27:04.000 And so they replaced that with the cult of reason and they even convert notions.
00:27:08.000 And so we as Christians at one point, too.
00:27:11.000 I grew up experiencing all the different Christian stereotypes, like big mega church pastors screaming at you, asking for money or whatever.
00:27:20.000 And, you know, I think that turned a lot of people off.
00:27:22.000 The stereotype of the propaganda campaign, obviously not it being in essence true.
00:27:28.000 But the Bible's the word of God and it's how you should live your life.
00:27:32.000 There's not one thing anyone listening right now is experiencing.
00:27:36.000 The Bible does not have a roadmap on how to bless you.
00:27:38.000 Not one thing.
00:27:39.000 And what's amazing too is every single time that humans have tried to create their own Bible, it has failed.
00:27:47.000 Well, yeah.
00:27:47.000 I mean, so this is where Nietzsche tried and it drove him mad.
00:27:51.000 Yes.
00:27:51.000 This is why it drove him mad.
00:27:52.000 Yes, because he said, I have to go create my own values.
00:27:54.000 Good luck.
00:27:55.000 Here's a pen and paper.
00:27:56.000 What do you got, Mr. Nietzsche?
00:27:57.000 And it drove him insane.
00:27:59.000 And Stalin also thought that he would never be able to figure out a way to get a mass acceptance of those values throughout what.
00:28:09.000 Or what you have is just a copy paste of what the Bible says and then relabel it under some weird pagan atheistic reason thing.
00:28:18.000 But here's the problem.
00:28:19.000 This is real.
00:28:20.000 This is the problem: people won't accept it if they don't think it's divinely inspired.
00:28:24.000 Precisely.
00:28:25.000 It's a very important thing.
00:28:27.000 And so, you know, I tell people all the time, they say, Charlie, why do you honor the Sabbath?
00:28:32.000 I said, because God tells me to.
00:28:34.000 And they say, what do you mean?
00:28:36.000 Because it's commanded of me.
00:28:38.000 I said, that's it.
00:28:40.000 I said, if you believe God told you to do something, would you do it?
00:28:43.000 Right.
00:28:43.000 And they say, well, it doesn't make logical sense.
00:28:46.000 First of all, it actually does.
00:28:47.000 All the signs show that taking one day of rest is actually really good for you.
00:28:51.000 Have you ever gone and seen any of the illuminated manuscripts in Europe that they still have some of the preserved Bibles from the medieval times?
00:28:58.000 I've seen the, so I went to.
00:29:00.000 You're probably not a Geneva Bible fan.
00:29:03.000 But no, but I did go see the Book of Kells at the Trinity University or Trinity College in Dublin.
00:29:08.000 And so these were the Bibles that were written during the Middle Ages when the only literacy was in the priest class.
00:29:18.000 And so these people, when they're writing this, it's this beautiful every, and yes, each, you know, the title page of each book as it begins is each one of itself a masterpiece.
00:29:31.000 But even the flowing calligraphy that you see, these people actually truly believed that what they were writing was each stroke of the fence was perfect because it was the word of God, period.
00:29:45.000 And so this is the struggle ahead of us right now, right?
00:29:50.000 Which is that so many people have believed that God doesn't exist or it's some sort of weird Eastern meditative God, which I guess is better than believing not in no God, but there's a huge difference between the God of the East and the God of the West.
00:30:02.000 Massive difference.
00:30:03.000 Massive.
00:30:03.000 They believe that God is in the nature.
00:30:05.000 We believe God created nature, right?
00:30:07.000 There's a lot of difference.
00:30:08.000 There's also a lot of, like when I lived in China, you know, you had talked about, you know, and even after all.
00:30:16.000 It's a highly atheistic society.
00:30:18.000 Well, yes and no, because even after so many years.
00:30:21.000 It's very superstitious.
00:30:22.000 Yeah. 0.95
00:30:23.000 So like, even after all the years of communism, there's still this, and it's a total hodgepod of like from all traditional, yeah, the I Ching, et cetera. 0.51
00:30:34.000 But it's very transactional. 0.68
00:30:35.000 That's, that's basically what it comes to.
00:30:36.000 Yeah, and this is one of the reasons why can I get out of it? 1.00
00:30:38.000 This is why gambling is a bigger deal in Asian culture. 0.99
00:30:41.000 Yes. 0.99
00:30:41.000 It is. 0.99
00:30:42.000 It's that you are going to play your odds up against karma and numbers.
00:30:47.000 It's a big deal. 0.64
00:30:47.000 Numerology in Asia is a way with it. 0.64
00:30:51.000 That all kind of plays into fate and karma and all these other dynamics, where the God of the West is an empowering God.
00:30:58.000 The God of the West is a personal God.
00:31:01.000 Yeah, it's not like you can't one.
00:31:04.000 You can't play your odds with God.
00:31:06.000 Well, no, no.
00:31:07.000 Instead, it's God that says you can't trick your way. 0.81
00:31:09.000 Or it's like no slave, no Greek, nor Jew.
00:31:11.000 We are all one in Jesus Christ, right?
00:31:13.000 Where it says in Philippians for six, where it says, do not be anxious, right?
00:31:21.000 But instead, through Christ Jesus and prayer, thanksgiving, and supplication, make your request known to God.
00:31:29.000 And the spirit of the Lord, which transcends all understanding, by the way, right?
00:31:35.000 Will comfort you and guide you.
00:31:37.000 And then it goes on to say, whatever is true, whatever is good.
00:31:40.000 It's amazing that one thing that I've realized, even as I've gotten older, I've got kids now, skin in the game.
00:31:45.000 You know, it's like you are married.
00:31:50.000 And when you have something to lose, it's, I'm so thankful that God gave us prayer.
00:31:55.000 I'm so thankful that we have that, that as a gift where it's, it's just this outlet where you can go to and say, I am at my limit.
00:32:05.000 I am at my extent.
00:32:06.000 I realize I'm at my extent.
00:32:08.000 I have nowhere else to go.
00:32:09.000 And then boom, there it is.
00:32:11.000 Yeah.
00:32:11.000 So one of the, um, I think it's in Colossians, Corinthians, there's this verse that is commonly quoted where people say, well, Charlie, God will never give you more than you can handle.
00:32:20.000 I say, what kind of weird theology do you believe in?
00:32:23.000 Right.
00:32:23.000 God will give you more than you can handle every day, but not more than he can handle.
00:32:27.000 Exactly.
00:32:27.000 Huge difference.
00:32:29.000 Because the difference is, are you going to then give up your hands and say, God, I need you to take care of this?
00:32:34.000 I am not enough.
00:32:36.000 I can't get this done.
00:32:37.000 And just from the pure scientific clinical data, it shows you're actually a happier person, a more productive person, a more thankful person if you actually even go through the process of prayer, not alone, not to mention that prayer is actually an immediate and personal conversation with the living God.
00:32:53.000 And so you ask the question, how did the West get here?
00:32:56.000 Right.
00:32:57.000 And we keep trying to recreate it, by the way.
00:33:00.000 We say, oh, well, we'll do some type of meditative act or which, again, is better than this is all doing yoga, right?
00:33:09.000 Of course, always has.
00:33:10.000 It's better than doing like New Zealand orgies or whatever, right?
00:33:13.000 25, not 26.
00:33:15.000 I feel so bad for guy 26, but then at what, at what point does the meditative yoga circuit all of a sudden say, this is how God wants you to live?
00:33:26.000 And then they're never going to say that, right?
00:33:28.000 Instead, it's all about centering yourself.
00:33:30.000 Well, then what's your morality?
00:33:31.000 How do you organize society? 0.54
00:33:33.000 A lot of it is, a lot of it is based on this idea that if you just become more one with yourself, then you're incredibly narcissistic.
00:33:44.000 You essentially, like, God becomes through and from you.
00:33:48.000 So here's another, here's another difference between Buddhism and Christianity, right?
00:33:51.000 So Buddhism believes at the highest level of Buddhism, you don't talk.
00:33:55.000 I've been to Tibet.
00:33:56.000 I've been to the monasteries and they have these incredible debates where they're looking at each other and they will clap with their hands at each other and yet they're not actually speaking.
00:34:08.000 In Christianity, the two creation stories, God created heavens, the earth, and the beginning was the word, the word was God, the word was with God, right?
00:34:15.000 Is logos, which is the word for speech.
00:34:17.000 Right.
00:34:18.000 God's spoken to existence.
00:34:20.000 We are the speaking beings.
00:34:21.000 At the highest levels of existence, an earthly existence, we are beings that are reasoning, speaking, and communicating. 0.97
00:34:28.000 And the highest level of existence in Buddhism, you shut up.
00:34:31.000 It's a big difference.
00:34:33.000 Yeah, you turn yourself over to what exactly?
00:34:36.000 You know, right.
00:34:38.000 And so, but also you're not, obviously, you're not winning people over.
00:34:43.000 You're not communicating.
00:34:44.000 You're not reasoning.
00:34:45.000 It's very sheltered.
00:34:47.000 It's very, it's like retreating.
00:34:49.000 I think there's a place for that.
00:34:50.000 That I think resting is obviously important, but the highest level of Buddhist philosophy is that you then ascent to the highest level of nirvana, right?
00:35:00.000 Right.
00:35:01.000 Through that, where we believe the total opposite.
00:35:03.000 And that's how you're breaking the cycle.
00:35:04.000 And you, we believe Jesus came to us.
00:35:07.000 We believe nirvana, whatever heaven, which we believe is a real place, has a nonstop ticket where Jesus said, Here you go.
00:35:13.000 I paid the whole price for you.
00:35:14.000 You don't have to go sit down and shut up and go to some hill and clap at each other and wear an orange robe.
00:35:19.000 No offense, anyone that might do that that listened to our show, you might be a nice person, whatever.
00:35:22.000 The point is that it's totally different.
00:35:24.000 Here's a ticket, free admission, go free.
00:35:27.000 As it says in John 8:38, the truth will set you free, that through Jesus Christ, we are free.
00:35:32.000 And so when you have that type of religion at the center, let me take it back a little bit, at the center of your society, right?
00:35:42.000 When you have that type of empowering ideology at the center of your society, because of course, you know, you go to Asia, they've all basically done away with Buddhism.
00:35:50.000 I mean, that's not.
00:35:52.000 But there's a lot of different variations of forms of that.
00:35:55.000 Well, there are, I mean, you could go to, yeah, there's Tibetan Buddhism, there's Chinese Buddhism, there's the Buddhism of Southwest Asia, et cetera, et cetera.
00:36:02.000 And I've been to these places.
00:36:03.000 I've spent time with them.
00:36:04.000 I've met these people.
00:36:06.000 I was fascinated in many ways by, you know, we went to the J Buddha Temple.
00:36:11.000 I should live near the J Buddha Temple in Shanghai.
00:36:14.000 But it just seems to be missing something, right?
00:36:18.000 And what it really is missing, what I've always found is that direct personal connection that you have with your creator.
00:36:29.000 Yes, that's right.
00:36:30.000 Not creation, right?
00:36:32.000 We are of creation.
00:36:33.000 That's a big difference.
00:36:34.000 But that I am directly connected to my creator.
00:36:38.000 That is the king of the universe.
00:36:40.000 Well, let's start with how Genesis 1 starts.
00:36:44.000 God created the heavens and the earth.
00:36:45.000 The heavens and the earth are not God.
00:36:47.000 No.
00:36:47.000 God created the heavens and the earth.
00:36:49.000 He is above the heavens and the earth.
00:36:50.000 Precisely.
00:36:51.000 It's a big difference.
00:36:52.000 Supreme being.
00:36:53.000 Yes, he is totally above.
00:36:54.000 So if you are any other being, it's like we had this at our parish.
00:36:59.000 They just started this new, and I don't know if we're going to be going there anymore, if they still keep doing this, but they said, oh, we're going to have a racial justice committee.
00:37:05.000 You should leave.
00:37:06.000 And this is going to be the, and you go and you can, you can take a look at the words.
00:37:10.000 I mean, there are so many verses.
00:37:11.000 It'll make their heads up.
00:37:12.000 And I, and I just turn to Tanya, and we're sitting there.
00:37:15.000 I'm like, look around the room right now.
00:37:18.000 This is racial justice, right?
00:37:21.000 If that's something you're concerned with, you've got every single ethnicity under this roof, under God, right?
00:37:28.000 Worshiping Christ together.
00:37:30.000 What do we need a committee for, right?
00:37:33.000 This is the supreme being.
00:37:34.000 We are the lessers.
00:37:36.000 It's simple, right?
00:37:38.000 And to me, quite frankly, if you're someone who's so concerned with the differences of people, you know, I really question whether or not you're putting Christ at the center.
00:37:47.000 Yeah, it's replacement religion.
00:37:49.000 Absolutely. 1.00
00:37:49.000 That means that there's something wrong. 1.00
00:37:51.000 This is a competing, absolutely a competing theology.
00:37:55.000 Yeah.
00:37:55.000 And we see this with the cult of Greta Thunberg and we see this with Fauci.
00:38:00.000 These are all replacement religions. 0.55
00:38:01.000 And the church deal with this. 1.00
00:38:03.000 Yes.
00:38:03.000 In 300 AD, 2008.
00:38:05.000 Precisely.
00:38:06.000 We see the exact same thing.
00:38:07.000 Yeah.
00:38:07.000 Justinian and every major, you know, Roman, Constantine dealt with the same thing in like 320 or whatever.
00:38:16.000 Same sort of thing.
00:38:17.000 So, yeah, you ask the question, how did the West get here?
00:38:22.000 We mismanaged the scientific revolution.
00:38:24.000 There were beautiful fruits of the scientific revolution.
00:38:26.000 Admitting the heliocentric theory of gravitational pull was a good thing for humanity.
00:38:31.000 Catholic Church minorly mismanaged that, but that's a separate issue for a different time, right?
00:38:36.000 Also debatable how it was managed.
00:38:38.000 I said slightly mismanaged.
00:38:40.000 I think that the characterization is actually unfair.
00:38:42.000 He wasn't executed.
00:38:43.000 He went to like a villa with his students.
00:38:45.000 But the Catholic Church was wrong and they tried to cover it up.
00:38:48.000 That's irrefutable.
00:38:50.000 Man is always yeah, but the way that the way that they defended it was wrong.
00:38:55.000 You don't have to defend them on this.
00:38:56.000 It's okay.
00:38:57.000 My point is that every man-made institution or every man-run institution is going to have issues.
00:39:02.000 That's fine.
00:39:02.000 I think it's sometimes used unfairly, but I'd still yield with the place that it was a mistake.
00:39:08.000 The point is that then in the 1600s, early 1700s, we started to see man's all of a sudden domination over nature, right?
00:39:15.000 So the scientific revolution changed the game.
00:39:18.000 Right.
00:39:19.000 You get to the point where, you know, we've gone.
00:39:21.000 We're no longer victims of nature.
00:39:23.000 You know, we're agrarians and then we, you know, we start being able to do some trade.
00:39:28.000 And hey, maybe I found some shiny rocks over here.
00:39:31.000 So I'll trade you some of those.
00:39:33.000 But now suddenly it's, you know, now you're cooking with gas.
00:39:36.000 Yeah. 0.93
00:39:37.000 And so then you started to see there's no mystery than why you started to see philosophers posit, well, if we can dominate nature, why do we need this Christianity thing, right? 0.73
00:39:47.000 It all came at the same time, obviously. 0.82
00:39:50.000 And then it kind of hit this apex point where the Industrial Revolution was happening.
00:39:54.000 But again, the Industrial Revolution only happened because of the scientific revolution.
00:39:58.000 It does not happen one without the other.
00:40:00.000 And then, yeah, you get people like Marx who says religion's the opiate of the masses.
00:40:03.000 And you get Hegel who argues about a new way to view history.
00:40:07.000 And you get this completely different paradigm.
00:40:09.000 But throughout the entire thing, it's kind of been obvious.
00:40:13.000 I mean, it's easy to play like, oh, they coulda, shoulda, woulda.
00:40:16.000 But definitely in the last 50 years, I think conservatives have always been on the right side of the left's progress for the West.
00:40:24.000 Meaning, like our idea of right is like, we're going to take the most right position of the left wing.
00:40:30.000 Right.
00:40:30.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:40:31.000 It's like, okay, whatever.
00:40:32.000 It's like, okay, maybe we don't do drag queen story hour.
00:40:35.000 We're not going to do that. 0.88
00:40:35.000 Who's to say that children can't do sexual reassignments? 0.88
00:40:40.000 Well, of course we should have universal healthcare, but we have to manage it.
00:40:43.000 Or do it market market universal health care. 0.99
00:40:47.000 Or it's like, you know, it's one thing to say we shouldn't have like no new immigrants. 1.00
00:40:51.000 Let's just have the right ones or whatever, right? 1.00
00:40:53.000 And some of these are reasonable things.
00:40:55.000 Some of them are not.
00:40:56.000 When you look at decay, we should have been pushing in the opposite direction.
00:41:00.000 Right.
00:41:01.000 And I think there's this whole new renaissance around these ideas because people like you and me, similar to Nietzsche, I never thought I'd say that, are seeing the absolute unraveling of everything around us.
00:41:12.000 And we really don't care what you call us anymore.
00:41:15.000 We've gotten to a point now where we realize that, you know, are we living through, I mean, we're clearly living through a collapse cycle, right?
00:41:25.000 You know, and even Joe Rogan is talking about Kali Hugo is bringing up, you know, a lot of these different theories on fourth turning, et cetera, about what exactly kind of cycle we're in.
00:41:35.000 And we're in that.
00:41:36.000 So the question then becomes, when you look at other collapses, when you look at other societies that have gone through this, other civilizations, which ones managed it properly, which ones decided to actually take, you know, can you fight history, I think is a question. 0.90
00:41:50.000 Well, I mean, the Romans are always a good example.
00:41:52.000 And the Romans splintered and had the Eastern Roman Empire for a pretty long time.
00:41:57.000 And that fell apart eventually, but that was a pretty big success.
00:42:01.000 I mean, the Eastern Roman Empire, Byzantium, was the flagship for Christianity.
00:42:07.000 It was a very over a thousand years.
00:42:09.000 Yeah, and after the original.
00:42:10.000 It's hard to say the Ottoman Empire was Byzantium, but that's probably true to an extent, meaning that as soon as that absolved, you know, with the fall of Constantinople and whatever year that was, where the Turks finally won.
00:42:24.000 1453? 0.59
00:42:25.000 Yeah, the fall of Aguia Sophia.
00:42:28.000 And it's a really interesting battle.
00:42:30.000 It's a long siege.
00:42:31.000 They tried many times.
00:42:32.000 They finally succeeded.
00:42:34.000 But yeah, so the...
00:42:35.000 I think we've forgotten about that.
00:42:37.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:42:38.000 Well, Rome didn't send reinforcements in time.
00:42:41.000 That's a different conversation for a different time. 0.94
00:42:43.000 But it's true. 0.81
00:42:45.000 Rome could have bailed out Constantinople.
00:42:47.000 This is a huge issue between the Catholics and the Orthodox right now today is Constantinople. 0.55
00:42:52.000 Yeah, I mean, Rome could have fixed the whole problem, the whole issue.
00:42:55.000 Right.
00:42:55.000 One, one flotilla of boats easily.
00:42:59.000 Yeah.
00:43:00.000 And they were counting on it and it never happened.
00:43:01.000 So, or they like stayed at bay or something.
00:43:03.000 There was some weird political thing there.
00:43:05.000 I don't know what it is.
00:43:07.000 It ends up being a lot more, and this is something that Tanya and I talk about.
00:43:10.000 So my wife is Orthodox, and I've said that many times, but one thing we talk about is that it did end up being much more of a political separation than anything else.
00:43:19.000 Right.
00:43:19.000 And it wasn't a good thing that the Turks took over Constantinople.
00:43:22.000 Still isn't to this day, obviously.
00:43:23.000 Argentina is still a church, by the way. 0.90
00:43:25.000 Just for the rest. 0.99
00:43:26.000 Regardless of what they say.
00:43:27.000 No matter what they say.
00:43:28.000 I don't care. 1.00
00:43:29.000 Isn't it interesting how they always want to change churches to mosque? 0.99
00:43:31.000 It's really weird. 0.53
00:43:31.000 We don't try to turn mosques to churches. 0.53
00:43:32.000 No, we don't.
00:43:33.000 Well, it's like I was up in, I was in Toronto, and of course it was in Toronto, and we saw this Episcopalian church, because of course it was Episcopalian.
00:43:41.000 And it was only, you know, it was with the refugees welcome and they have the crescent moon.
00:43:45.000 And we're there with Tanya and she goes, you know, if you tried to do that to a mosque and said Christians welcome and put a cross in front of, imagine you go to Middle East and put that off.
00:43:55.000 What would happen?
00:43:56.000 Your hand cut off immediately. 0.98
00:43:57.000 But that's tolerance becoming your own death.
00:43:59.000 But then I was saying, so I was saying we should go and we should get like, you know, like a paintbrush or something.
00:44:04.000 And then, you know, underneath the crescent moon, right, refugees welcome to learn the gospel.
00:44:12.000 Yeah, that's right.
00:44:12.000 Everyone's welcome to learn the gospel.
00:44:13.000 Because it's a church, right?
00:44:14.000 That's the point of churches is to teach the gospel and further the teachings.
00:44:18.000 So you ask where this goes.
00:44:19.000 We don't know.
00:44:20.000 The unraveling of empires can be messy.
00:44:23.000 We are an empire.
00:44:24.000 It's just the way it is.
00:44:27.000 Yeah.
00:44:28.000 I mean, there's two separate questions there, obviously, but I'm really not in the prediction business with that stuff.
00:44:34.000 It just exhausted.
00:44:35.000 The way that I look at it is the way to manage it is, you know, okay, are we not, are we going to be an empire going forward or are we not?
00:44:44.000 And if we're not, what do we do to reconstitute ourselves in a way that is most beneficial for the people who live here now?
00:44:51.000 The problem with the American empire is that we never admitted we were one.
00:44:55.000 Right.
00:44:56.000 And that was the weirdest thing.
00:44:58.000 It's like, oh, yeah, we're not an empire.
00:44:59.000 Meanwhile, we're going to have bases in every corner of the world.
00:45:01.000 There's some interesting theories out there about, you know, whether or not the British Empire just kind of continued through the Anglosphere.
00:45:08.000 You know, through the Anglosphere.
00:45:09.000 And we still kind of defer to England on a lot of like of this foreign policy.
00:45:13.000 Like stuff.
00:45:14.000 And it's, it, it's an interesting task.
00:45:16.000 It's probably too deep.
00:45:17.000 It's an interesting taste.
00:45:18.000 But yeah, I mean, the thing that particularly when it comes to some of the Eastern European people is when, where you live.
00:45:25.000 Yes.
00:45:25.000 And that's the most important.
00:45:26.000 I mean, so we're trying to do that here in Arizona.
00:45:28.000 Yes.
00:45:29.000 Right.
00:45:29.000 Is that just focus local and the rest might work, it might not.
00:45:34.000 Because that actually is something that can be done.
00:45:36.000 Well, and even smaller than that, even go back to, hey, we're going to have ordered families again.
00:45:43.000 We should push policies that we're not going to make decisions for people, but we can say as a society, hey, society works better when we have these things called families.
00:45:53.000 They were unafraid to make moral claims about the good of existence.
00:45:57.000 This is good morally and it's also good socially better.
00:46:02.000 Right.
00:46:02.000 And if the GDP has to go down just a little bit.
00:46:05.000 But here's the crazy thing.
00:46:06.000 It won't.
00:46:06.000 Like that's the, it might go down like a half of a percent.
00:46:09.000 Great.
00:46:10.000 Okay.
00:46:10.000 So we have families and people are happy.
00:46:12.000 So yeah, I mean, the level.
00:46:14.000 I mean, you look at this town that just got hit with this.
00:46:18.000 Was it Mayfield, I believe it was called in Kentucky.
00:46:21.000 And I mean, it's like a Mayberry kind of town, right?
00:46:25.000 But I was talking to somebody who lived near there and he said, you know, but it's just like one of these other towns where it was, we had this amazing community at one point.
00:46:33.000 And then over the last 40, 50 years, it's just been gutted and the people there were already living in poverty, just absolute poverty.
00:46:39.000 Yeah.
00:46:39.000 Well, I know we have to wrap.
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00:46:44.000 Jack, this is your show, so you got to end.
00:46:46.000 I do have to end it, don't I?
00:46:48.000 Charlie, where can people follow you?
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00:46:59.000 But in all seriousness, Charlie, what's the biggest thing you're looking forward to for next year or the next year?
00:47:06.000 I will say this very shortly.
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