The Charlie Kirk Show - Vaccines: Unfiltered, Uncensored, and In-Depth with Dr. Sherri Tenpenny

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:00.000 How do you deal with a controversial topic?

00:00:04.000 Do you run from it?

00:00:06.000 Do you believe the smears?

00:00:08.000 Do you ignore it?

00:00:10.000 Do you engage in the suppression of it?

00:00:13.000 Or do you confront it directly?

00:00:16.000 Well, I've been really curious about the topic of vaccines.

00:00:20.000 We had Bobby Kennedy Jr. on our show over the summer.

00:00:23.000 We've been told that everyone has to get vaccinated always and never ask any questions about it.

00:00:27.000 I remember some reporter came up to me and he said that, Charlie, are you going to have more people from the disinformation dozen on your show?

00:00:38.000 And it was this list that Biden put forward trying to say that all these people are harming medicine as we know it. 0.98

00:00:45.000 And I didn't respond because he's a lunatic. 0.73

00:00:48.000 And the more the media says we can't talk about an issue, the more interested I get. 0.92

00:00:53.000 So our guest today is Dr. Sherry Tenpenny.

00:00:57.000 She is known as probably one of the leading vaccine critics in the country.

00:01:03.000 I was at an event.

00:01:04.000 I was at a Clay Clark event.

00:01:06.000 She was there.

00:01:07.000 She said some things that made sense.

00:01:09.000 And I had a ton of questions.

00:01:11.000 So I decided to invite her on the show and ask her questions.

00:01:15.000 She believes that children should receive zero vaccines.

00:01:19.000 I don't know what I believe on that, to be honest.

00:01:21.000 I'm open-minded.

00:01:22.000 I'm looking at this as a journalist, and that's my obligation to all of you.

00:01:26.000 And so I asked her about polio, smallpox, measles, mumps, rubella.

00:01:31.000 I asked her about vaccine technology, and I give her an opportunity to explain her viewpoint.

00:01:38.000 And I know a lot of you are curious about this topic, and you want to hear it in an unfiltered, fair way.

00:01:46.000 And I felt an obligation to bring that to all of you.

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00:01:52.000 I can guarantee you this.

00:01:53.000 The corporate media is not having Dr. Sherry Tenpenny on anytime soon.

00:01:57.000 We're going to get hit by all the major propagandist Operation Mockingbird corporate media types.

00:02:03.000 I don't care.

00:02:04.000 So I know what I believe and I also know what I don't believe.

00:02:08.000 And I know what I'm interested in and what I'm curious in.

00:02:11.000 Dr. Tenpenny said something that prompted me inviting her onto my show.

00:02:15.000 She said, we have the most vaccinated generation in history and the sickest generation in history. 0.99

00:02:22.000 And that got me thinking.

00:02:24.000 Is there a correlation?

00:02:25.000 Is there a causation?

00:02:26.000 I don't know.

00:02:27.000 But it's worth exploring, isn't it?

00:02:30.000 Not suppressing or choking dissonant voices.

00:02:34.000 And that's what we do on this show.

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00:03:03.000 All right, everybody, buckle up.

00:03:04.000 Dr. Sherry Tenpenny is here.

00:03:06.000 Here we go.

00:03:07.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:03:40.000 Hey, everybody.

00:03:41.000 Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show with us.

00:03:43.000 Today, a lot of people requested us to have this guest, and I'm so thrilled to be able to sit face to face and have a chat.

00:03:49.000 Dr. Tenpenny, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:03:51.000 Thank you so much, Charlie.

00:03:52.000 It's my pleasure to be here.

00:03:54.000 So why don't you introduce yourself to our audience, and then we can go from there.

00:03:58.000 Okay.

00:03:58.000 Well, I'm from Cleveland, Ohio.

00:04:00.000 We were just talking about how great Cleveland is.

00:04:02.000 My first career, I was board certified in emergency medicine and director of a level two trauma center for 12 years.

00:04:08.000 I moved to Cleveland in 1996, opened my integrative health center.

00:04:12.000 We now have 21 employees.

00:04:14.000 We've had patients there from all 50 states in about 18 countries to get well and get off their pharmaceutical drugs.

00:04:20.000 Well, I like the sound of that.

00:04:22.000 Yeah.

00:04:22.000 And so you have your own health clinic?

00:04:24.000 We do.

00:04:25.000 And I got involved with the infra becoming an avid educator about vaccine problems.

00:04:32.000 In September of 2000, I went to the National Vaccine Information Center meeting in Washington, D.C.

00:04:37.000 And I came home and said, why did I miss this?

00:04:40.000 How could I not know that there were problems with vaccines?

00:04:43.000 So I started looking at the CDC documents and at the pediatric infectious disease journals and all the peer-reviewed literature.

00:04:51.000 And over the last 21 years, I can solidly say vaccines are not safe.

00:04:57.000 They've never been proved to be effective.

00:04:59.000 They definitely cause harm.

00:05:01.000 And then after doing this for so long, when COVID and COVID shots all came along, it was a natural extension of the research and everything I've been doing over the last 20 years to start looking at the problems involved with this entire scamdemic.

00:05:16.000 Yeah, so that's kind of where I come in.

00:05:17.000 I've never really taken much of an interest in the vaccine topic until recently, to be honest.

00:05:23.000 A lot going on in the world, as you probably have noticed.

00:05:25.000 And all of a sudden, there was this whole conversation around that we need to inoculate ourselves against a virus that I felt perfectly confident that I was going to be able to get through with treatments and a healthy lifestyle.

00:05:38.000 And I made a statement back in November of 2020 at a church, my friend Greg Farrington's church, that I wasn't going to take the vaccine.

00:05:45.000 And I got attacked from every single media outlet imaginable.

00:05:48.000 It's like, well, that's weird.

00:05:50.000 It feels as if I'm getting attacked like when I say something against any other sort of group, right?

00:05:55.000 I said, this is awfully coordinated.

00:05:57.000 And so I got super curious.

00:05:59.000 And again, I don't come at this from any sort of expertise, just someone that has kind of looked at things around me and I'm trying to learn.

00:06:07.000 So let's just kind of start with some of the things that you said.

00:06:10.000 I know very little about this topic.

00:06:12.000 I'm super curious.

00:06:13.000 I know more about the COVID vaccine and that than just kind of the topic of vaccines in general.

00:06:18.000 What would you say is the case against vaccines?

00:06:20.000 You said they're not safe.

00:06:22.000 They definitely cause harm.

00:06:24.000 Dive into that.

00:06:25.000 Well, they've definitely not been safe.

00:06:27.000 Safety studies in any of the vaccines, whether they're the childhood vaccines, adult vaccines, and for sure the COVID vaccine, are very short-term.

00:06:35.000 They are many, most of them are 14 to 21 days at most.

00:06:39.000 And long-term consequences of any shot like autoimmune diseases, cardiovascular problems, neurological problems take weeks to months to develop.

00:06:50.000 So they're released to the market.

00:06:51.000 And in the clinical trials, they're only tested on very healthy people.

00:06:55.000 Yet when they are approved for use, they are advocated for everyone, including the sickest people.

00:07:01.000 So they've never been tested on sick people or sick children.

00:07:04.000 And so that is a big safety issue.

00:07:06.000 The other thing is the word efficacy, because in scientific research in vaccines, efficacy, if you look up the definition of efficacy in Webster's, it says that the intent to do, they do what they are intended to do.

00:07:22.000 So vaccines are intended to create an antibody.

00:07:25.000 So they are effective in that they create an antibody.

00:07:27.000 But we as consumers and as the general population assume that effective means that it keeps you from getting sick, and they don't.

00:07:36.000 You can get a flu shot and still get the flu.

00:07:38.000 You get the COVID shot.

00:07:39.000 You definitely can still get COVID because most people are getting sick from that.

00:07:44.000 And we actually know the mechanisms of why.

00:07:46.000 And so they're not effective in terms of how the general population defines that word.

00:07:51.000 They are effective that they create an antibody, but effective and protection are not synonyms.

00:07:58.000 So let's take mumps or measles, for example.

00:08:02.000 Do you think it's effective against those viruses?

00:08:04.000 It doesn't keep you from getting those infections.

00:08:08.000 You can still get the, you can get the shot and still get the infection.

00:08:12.000 We know that most recently, you know, there's been two really big outbreaks of mumps in maybe the last five to seven years.

00:08:17.000 One was in Iowa amongst college students, and they found out that all of those college students that contracted the mumps had at least two, if not three, MMR vaccines.

00:08:28.000 There was a big outbreak of mumps on fully vaccinated Navy ship, and everybody had had at least one, if not two, mumps vaccines.

00:08:36.000 So that just makes the point that you can get the shot and still contract the infection.

00:08:40.000 So the argument, the other side, I guess you would say, is they point to the Orthodox community in New York.

00:08:47.000 You've probably heard this argument where before there was like two cases of mumps or measles.

00:08:53.000 I get them interchange, but it's because it's always.

00:08:56.000 And now there was a huge outbreak.

00:08:57.000 And obviously Bill de Blasio went on his whole kind of tirade saying this is because they're all unvaccinated.

00:09:04.000 I mean, just kind of looking at it, in the 1960s, mumps was rather widespread.

00:09:11.000 Now it's very rare.

00:09:12.000 Do you think the vaccine had anything to do with kind of flattening that curve?

00:09:16.000 It may flatten the curve, but what was the trade-off?

00:09:20.000 You know, when we flattened the curve on measles, which had people that had, there was a very high incidence rate of measles in the 60s and in the 1960s.

00:09:30.000 And then when we decided we were going to mass vaccinate people against measles, we dropped the infection rate, but we exchanged it for asthma, allergies, eczema, ADD, ADHD, insulin-dependent diabetes, neurological problems, autoimmune conditions, and yes, autism, which is the far end of the autoimmune things that are happening inside of the brain.

00:09:51.000 So what is the trade-off?

00:09:52.000 A mild infection that for the vast majority of people, it lasts seven to 10 days, and then they have a literal lifetime of immunity because it's a natural infection.

00:10:02.000 Or do we drop the infection rate for one or two deaths?

00:10:06.000 Because here's a really interesting statistic, Charlie, that I think you'd like to know.

00:10:10.000 That prior to when the measles vaccine became widely available in 1963, the year before the measles vaccine came on the market, the death rate from measles was one to two per million.

00:10:23.000 It was negligible.

00:10:24.000 It barely ever happened.

00:10:26.000 And the people that actually died from measles actually had underlying conditions.

00:10:31.000 And now we've, so now we may have lowered the incidence rates of measles, but we have the sickest generations of children ever.

00:10:39.000 We have more children that are on long-term drugs.

00:10:42.000 We have more children that are on multiple medications.

00:10:45.000 So what has been the trade-off of lowering an infection and creating long-term disabled children?

00:10:51.000 I think that's really interesting.

00:10:52.000 And so I try to, on this topic, just try to see all different sides because I grew up in a world that vaccines were not questioned.

00:11:02.000 You just kind of take them and that's just what you do.

00:11:04.000 Suburbs of Chicago, especially, as you could imagine.

00:11:07.000 You know, you kind of know the type of community.

00:11:09.000 And so I was just watching a clip the other day of Bill Gates.

00:11:11.000 I try not to do that.

00:11:12.000 And he says, look, he said, the reason why people don't want to take the vaccines, this was years ago, is because we're a victim of our own success.

00:11:19.000 You've probably heard this from the vaccine lobby at some point, that we've basically eradicated some of these viruses and diseases.

00:11:26.000 Therefore, people don't think they're that big of an issue.

00:11:28.000 And so he says measles, or he said mumps or whatever.

00:11:30.000 And so I was curious.

00:11:32.000 And I said, how big of a deal was this in the 60s and 70s?

00:11:35.000 And mind you, a couple of years ago, I probably wouldn't have gone to that next layer to ask that question.

00:11:39.000 And you're right.

00:11:40.000 Very few people died of measles and mumps.

00:11:42.000 They used to have measles parties.

00:11:44.000 And chickenpox parties.

00:11:46.000 Which I, the chickenpox one is the most interesting one because I had chickenpox growing up and never did my parents or anyone think that I was going to die.

00:11:54.000 Right, exactly.

00:11:55.000 thought I was very annoyed by the itching reaction.

00:11:59.000 Sure.

00:12:00.000 But having chickenpox growing up.

00:12:01.000 And so then I went a step deeper and I was super curious.

00:12:04.000 A chickenpox vaccine is widely pushed now in certain communities and only 90% effective.

00:12:09.000 And you would know about it.

00:12:10.000 Not even.

00:12:11.000 Not even the breakthrough on chickenpox is very, very high.

00:12:15.000 And that's why they decided, well, it wasn't working to give one chickenpox vaccine.

00:12:18.000 So now we'll just give another one.

00:12:20.000 And that's kind of what they do.

00:12:21.000 I mean, do we ever have an endpoint of tolerance?

00:12:24.000 Meaning, if we drop the incidence rate of these infections down to where it's a negligible rate, I mean, one or two kids pop up here and there with measles, mumps, chickenpox, you know, pertussis, things like that.

00:12:37.000 When do we stop?

00:12:38.000 When do we decide that we've eradicated this viral infection down to the point that we can have a couple of kids here and there to get these shots?

00:12:49.000 Do we need to mass vaccinate children with now 72 doses of vaccines by the time they are in high school?

00:12:56.000 And multiple doses of, when do we decide that it's enough?

00:12:59.000 We will never see eradication to where we have zero, zero cases of measles, zero mumps, zero chickenpox, and all those things.

00:13:07.000 It's never going to happen because the life cycle of the virus is about every four years.

00:13:12.000 We're going to see an outbreak of these viruses every four years or so, irrespective of the vaccination rate.

00:13:18.000 We see that in pertussis.

00:13:19.000 We know that there's breakthroughs in pertussis, but it's a cash cow for the pharmaceutical industry.

00:13:24.000 You know, think about it.

00:13:26.000 If your business had 4 million guaranteed, government-guaranteed customers every single year, because the birth rate of kids in this country is about 4 million per year.

00:13:38.000 And in those childhood vaccines, there are about 12 different vaccines that they get multiple doses of by the time they start kindergarten.

00:13:47.000 If your business had 4 million government-guaranteed customers that had to take by multiple doses of your product every single year, when would you decide, well, we don't need to do this anymore.

00:14:01.000 Like never, right?

00:14:03.000 Never.

00:14:04.000 So it's a, and, and I've long said that the that the childhood vaccination schedule, it is the economic loss leader for the pharmaceutical industry because there's going to be five to maybe 15% of those children that are going to end up with long-term chronic disease.

00:14:21.000 They're going to end up with asthma, allergies, eczema, ADD, seizure disorders, autoimmune diseases, and all of those things, which drives the subspecialists going to the doctor more tests, more pharmaceutical drugs that they become customers for life.

00:14:37.000 And so if you took out the vaccination schedule, because if you look at fully unvaccinated kids, they're healthy.

00:14:44.000 They rarely, if ever, get sick.

00:14:46.000 There are no chronic medications.

00:14:48.000 They have no long-term disabilities.

00:14:50.000 Now, if suddenly your 4 million customers go to 100,000, what would that do to your bottom line?

00:14:57.000 So in my opinion, and after looking at this for more than 20 years, the vaccination schedule and the pediatric vaccination schedule is the economic driver of the pharmaceutical industry to make sure that you've got customers for life on their long-term chronic daily medications.

00:15:16.000 So when I ask some of the vaccine company advocates or whatever you want to call them, just kind of the defenders of the status quo about that's a nice way to put it.

00:15:27.000 And some of the people haven't just thought very deeply about this.

00:15:29.000 And again, I'm just trying to kind of make sense of all this.

00:15:32.000 They say the problem with your argument, the problem with Bobby Kennedy's argument, the problem, they say, is the old causation and correlation argument.

00:15:42.000 I'm sure you've encountered this before.

00:15:44.000 And this is their immediate reaction.

00:15:46.000 And this is their strongest argument in the sense that it's hard for me to even respond to it because I just ask a question.

00:15:52.000 They say, oh, no, no, no.

00:15:53.000 Just because you saw all these people with asthma and all these issues doesn't mean it was vaccines.

00:15:59.000 They say it's because we weren't diagnosing them before.

00:16:02.000 They say it was other environmental factors.

00:16:05.000 They say it could be food.

00:16:07.000 It could be nutrition.

00:16:09.000 It's because they want to blame anything but the vaccine.

00:16:13.000 And if you ever notice those arguments, no matter how long the list of the counter is, they never even put into that list, perhaps it was the vaccine, on at least some of those kids.

00:16:24.000 It's never even included in their argument.

00:16:27.000 That's totally right.

00:16:29.000 And so I guess my question for you, you said something that really interested me.

00:16:32.000 You say you take a group of unvaccinated kids.

00:16:35.000 Have there been studies that you would methodologically agree with done properly that kind of do that sort of study of vaccinated versus unvaccinated kids?

00:16:43.000 There have been two studies that have come out.

00:16:45.000 One was a phone survey.

00:16:48.000 And the CDC said, well, that wasn't valid because phone surveys aren't valid except they do them all the time.

00:16:55.000 So, you know, this phone survey that was asking about how many vaccines have you had.

00:16:59.000 And the end of that study was that they showed that, if I remember correctly, this was a while ago.

00:17:04.000 So it was somewhere around 14% of the people in that study.

00:17:09.000 There was a 14% increase of asthma and allergies in the vaccinated population versus the unvaccinated population.

00:17:16.000 Then there was a couple of other studies that were done, really well-designed long-term studies to look at the number of medications that unvaccinated children were taking as opposed to the number of medications that vaccinated children were taken.

00:17:30.000 And that's a really good study because it's a real number.

00:17:34.000 I mean, you can't take in the variables about what your food is like if you have animals in the house.

00:17:39.000 I mean, because that's a variable.

00:17:40.000 But the number of medications that children are taking that are fully vaccinated versus completely unvaccinated.

00:17:47.000 I mean, the fully vaccinated children in that particular study was reaching two to three to four when the unvaccinated was one or zero.

00:17:55.000 And then they pulled the study and told them that it was unethical to do a study of vaccinated versus unvaccinated because they think they claim that an unvaccinated child is being mistreated.

00:18:08.000 And it's because unvaccinated children, you're withholding a known treatment of benefit from a child.

00:18:15.000 So you're putting that child, that unvaccinated child at risk. 0.62

00:18:18.000 So they've got every excuse underneath the sun to not do this.

00:18:21.000 And they won't fund it.

00:18:23.000 I mean, in their big, and the CDC, last time I looked, had like a $16 or $18 billion a year annual budget, and that was before COVID.

00:18:31.000 And it's like, you mean you can't fund a study of vaccinated versus unvaccinated kids to see if the vaccine, maybe the vaccine is really much better.

00:18:39.000 Maybe those kids are much healthier.

00:18:40.000 Maybe there are problems.

00:18:41.000 But here's the thing, Charlie, in research.

00:18:43.000 You can't find what you're not looking for.

00:18:46.000 And you never go and fund things to research something they don't want to know the answer to.

00:18:51.000 Because what if it all blew up?

00:18:52.000 What if it showed that all of the unvaccinated kids were much healthier on much fewer medications?

00:18:58.000 They did better in school.

00:18:59.000 Their brains worked better.

00:19:00.000 They weren't on ADD and ADHD medications compared to a fully vaccinated population.

00:19:04.000 It would implode the entire pharmaceutical industry.

00:19:07.000 It would drop it like a rock.

00:19:10.000 Maybe part of the whole nonsense of this Fauci virus deal is more people are thinking about this.

00:19:16.000 So you say 72 doses that a child receives from the time they're born to when?

00:19:22.000 Exactly.

00:19:22.000 About 18 into college, because when you get into college, they're talking about meningitis vaccines, you know, hepatitis B starts at birth.

00:19:31.000 You know, they start giving it within hours of birth.

00:19:34.000 Yeah, in case your kids sexually active at age eight or doing heroin.

00:19:37.000 Right.

00:19:38.000 Because that's the only way you can get hepatitis B, right? 0.99

00:19:40.000 Needles or sex.

00:19:41.000 You know, it's interesting about hepatitis B because when they first started using hepatitis B at birth was in 1991.

00:19:41.000 Right.

00:19:48.000 And at that point in time, there were actually 14,000 cases of hepatitis B in the entire country of kids under the age of 14.

00:19:59.000 So out of like 40 million kids, there were like 14,000 cases, and most of them were in parents that had hepatitis B.

00:20:08.000 And why did we start deciding that we were going to give hepatitis B at birth?

00:20:13.000 Well, because hepatitis B is endemic in the population in Southeast Asia.

00:20:18.000 Exactly.

00:20:20.000 Why did we do that?

00:20:21.000 That was why.

00:20:22.000 And when we started giving hepatitis B at birth, Congress actually had a hearing and said, where's your data?

00:20:28.000 Where's your studies that have shown that this is safe and not going to mess up developmental and all these different things in these kids?

00:20:34.000 And the pharmaceutical industry said to Congress, we don't have any of that.

00:20:39.000 We tested the hepatitis B vaccine on five and seven-year-old kids.

00:20:43.000 And they said, so that automatically makes it okay for a neonate one or two or three days old.

00:20:48.000 Yeah.

00:20:49.000 Congress said, go back and investigate that further, which they never did.

00:20:52.000 And that started in 1991.

00:20:56.000 So the vaccine that started all this, obviously, was polio.

00:21:01.000 That was the one that got written up everywhere, Jonas Salk.

00:21:03.000 I'm sure you get asked about this a lot.

00:21:05.000 And smallpox.

00:21:07.000 And the smallpox vaccine.

00:21:08.000 Can you talk about those two?

00:21:10.000 Do you think that...

00:21:11.000 Let's just isolate those two.

00:21:12.000 Do you think parents should still give those?

00:21:14.000 And if not, why?

00:21:15.000 Do you think it was a good thing for humanity that that technology was developed and deployed?

00:21:20.000 Well, smallpox vaccine, we stopped giving it to the general population in 1972 because it was causing more side effects and more long-term complications.

00:21:30.000 And the incidence rate of smallpox globally had dropped almost to zero.

00:21:34.000 In fact, in the early 1900s, we went from very virulent smallpox that caused historically things like when they put the blankets and gave them to the Indians and stuff like that.

00:21:44.000 That was in the 1800s.

00:21:45.000 And the virus was in the community and rather burned itself out.

00:21:49.000 So after the early 1900s, smallpox was like a couple little lumps and bumps on your skin.

00:21:55.000 It wasn't a big virulent infection.

00:21:57.000 But we continued to vaccinate because Jenner's vaccine actually became on the market in 1800 and 1801, was the first smallpox vaccines delivered in the United States.

00:22:07.000 And so by 1972, we decided that the incidence of smallpox worldwide was almost negligible.

00:22:15.000 So they actually fabricated this thing and said it was all about the vaccine.

00:22:19.000 But really less than 10% of the global population had ever been vaccinated with a smallpox vaccine.

00:22:24.000 And the numbers of gangrene and loss of limbs and all these things that were happening from the shot, they actually created, it's very interesting history, actually.

00:22:32.000 We don't have time to go over all of it, but it's very interesting how they kind of created this whole thing that celebrated the smallpox vaccine, eradicated smallpox, which when you really read the history, it really did not.

00:22:46.000 So we stopped giving the smallpox vaccine in 1972.

00:22:49.000 We continued to give it to the military into the 1990s for no reason other than we just did.

00:22:54.000 And the same thing with the polio vaccine.

00:22:57.000 You know, the peak of polio was in 1954, and that's when the vaccine was released.

00:23:03.000 We still give children today four doses of polio vaccine here in the United States, even though polio has, the World Health Organization has declared the Western hemisphere, the entire Western hemisphere, polio-free since 1994.

00:23:20.000 But yet we still continue to give kids four doses of polio to protect against a virus that doesn't even exist.

00:23:26.000 So their argument would be we give it because we don't want to reintroduce it because we eradicated it because.

00:23:32.000 But if something doesn't exist, what do I need to protect?

00:23:35.000 If this water bottle no longer existed, it just didn't exist.

00:23:38.000 It was gone.

00:23:39.000 Why do I have to keep taking something to protect me against that water bottle?

00:23:42.000 I guess their argument would be it could come from a third world country or there could be a strain available somewhere.

00:23:48.000 And again, I don't know how transmission of polio, you could tell me.

00:23:52.000 Is it a viral?

00:23:53.000 It's a viral illness that we started using the, you know, it first started with the oral drops, the little sugar cube that you put in your mouth.

00:24:00.000 That was in the 50s.

00:24:01.000 And then we were seeing the only cases of polio we were seeing in this country was induced by the vaccine.

00:24:07.000 Like I took a polio, little sugar cube, it went out in my stool in my urine, and downstream you got exposed and you got polio.

00:24:14.000 That was what was happening.

00:24:16.000 So in our country, we went away from the oral polio vaccine and went to the injectable polio vaccine in about 19, in about 2000.

00:24:25.000 We haven't used the oral polio vaccine for that long, but oral polio vaccines, still given as the little drops under the tongue, are still used in third world countries.

00:24:34.000 And they know absolutely that they are still seeing cases of polio, but it's coming from the vaccine.

00:24:40.000 It's not wild-type polio.

00:24:42.000 So do you think Jonas Salk and all of that kind of celebration of him and the introduction of polio, the polio vaccine, was that a positive thing?

00:24:52.000 Was that a good thing?

00:24:54.000 Or do you think that there's more history to that?

00:24:56.000 There's a lot more history to that.

00:24:58.000 They've written lots of books on that, actually.

00:25:00.000 Well, they have the Jonas Salk Institute, right?

00:25:02.000 He is considered to be in the pantheon of great 20th century figures.

00:25:07.000 Is that a correct characterization of his well?

00:25:10.000 I don't know.

00:25:11.000 They probably put Fauci in that bucket too. 0.86

00:25:14.000 Not if I had anything to say about it.

00:25:15.000 So that's why I'm asking.

00:25:17.000 I'm not a Jonas Salk expert by any, you know.

00:25:19.000 Yeah.

00:25:20.000 The whole history of the entire vaccine industry is really sordid.

00:25:25.000 And the pro-vaccine people don't know the history.

00:25:29.000 And the more you try to tell them, the more it creates cognitive dissonance in their brain, and they just don't want to hear it.

00:25:35.000 How many kids were dying of polio at its peak in 1954?

00:25:39.000 Not many.

00:25:40.000 Now, dying of polio was different than experiencing the polio of the limb problem.

00:25:46.000 Basically, being paralyzed.

00:25:47.000 But here's something that I, a little historical fact that not many people know.

00:25:51.000 You know, every time we see like pictures of polio, we think March of Dimes, you know, the kids in braces, and we think about kids on ventilators.

00:25:59.000 And there's one picture that shows all these bassinet-sized things that was supposed to be a polio ward.

00:26:04.000 And also the chain, the hyperbaric chamber, right?

00:26:07.000 Right.

00:26:08.000 The iron lung.

00:26:09.000 Yes, that's right.

00:26:10.000 Which was the precursor to modern-day ventilators.

00:26:12.000 Okay.

00:26:13.000 Okay.

00:26:13.000 So I wanted to see how many people actually were on iron lungs.

00:26:18.000 And I spent months actually looking for this information.

00:26:22.000 You would think that would be readily available somewhere, right?

00:26:25.000 I actually even went to the History of Medicine Museum in Baltimore and actually got permission to go into the basement to see if I could actually find the number of people who were on iron lungs, which was supposed to be the worst type of polio that it stopped your breathing.

00:26:38.000 I investigated manufacturers of iron lung machines.

00:26:42.000 I went to all kinds of places to try to find the data.

00:26:46.000 And when I finally found it, like three or four years later, there were about 1,200 people in the entire country that were on iron lungs.

00:26:54.000 It doesn't seem like a horrible, I mean, yes, I mean, I never want to minimize a death or make it sound like it was negligible.

00:26:54.000 I don't know.

00:27:02.000 But when you've got a population in the country of over 200 million and you have 1,200 people on an iron lung machine, 1,200 to 1,500 people, I think more people died in car accidents.

00:27:13.000 And that didn't, so we didn't want to do something to eliminate cars.

00:27:16.000 Yeah, I mean, the telling from the greatest generation in my grandmother's generation, they did think back and they were like, polio was a problem.

00:27:26.000 There was angst and unease about it.

00:27:28.000 How much of that was media induced or whatever, I don't know.

00:27:32.000 That's a question.

00:27:33.000 However, for your argument, and I'm sure you have to talk about it all the time, the polio topic is a sticking point.

00:27:42.000 That is, in a lot of ways, what built Western consensus behind vaccine technology.

00:27:48.000 Well, yes.

00:27:49.000 And the propaganda that went on behind it is, I mean, you could write three books about that.

00:27:55.000 And actually, whenever you meet someone who really is kind of new to the topic or they, because there's more people having kids all the time.

00:28:04.000 Yeah, they're new to it.

00:28:05.000 I'm just curious.

00:28:07.000 So it always starts with what about smallpox and what about polio.

00:28:11.000 So I've created two courses actually about it that if you go to, I mean, one of our websites is learning4you.org, learning the number four, YOU, learningforyou.org.

00:28:23.000 And there's two hours of courses in there each about smallpox and polio that give the different perspective and give all the references and all the technology and all these things to see.

00:28:34.000 It's like a lot of things, Charlie.

00:28:36.000 You know, when you get the media involved with it, as the propaganda arm, and as long as they say the same thing over and again, and they drive the fear wheel over and over and again, like they have with this COVID shot, you know, people just, they don't dig any deeper, just like what you had said earlier, that, you know, there was a couple things that made you dig a little deeper, but most people just, whatever's coming out of that box, that's all they need to know.

00:29:00.000 So there's 72 doses from birth to 18 years old.

00:29:04.000 Yeah.

00:29:04.000 That's a lot.

00:29:05.000 That's also an interestingly spiritual number.

00:29:07.000 We can get into that later.

00:29:08.000 There's 17 different vaccines, multiple doses of 17 vaccines.

00:29:12.000 So when you add them all up, it's right around 72.

00:29:15.000 So would you, I know you have to be careful giving medical advice, but do you think any of those are necessary?

00:29:23.000 I don't because I look at all of the completely unvaccinated kids that we have a huge, you know, we have a pediatrician in our practice in Cleveland, Ohio.

00:29:32.000 And when we see we have, you know, all the unvaccinated kids, they're perfectly healthy.

00:29:39.000 When we see the vaccinated kids, there's always something broken in their immune system or something.

00:29:44.000 They've got food allergies, eczema. 0.85

00:29:46.000 They've got all these different things.

00:29:48.000 So I think it's a technology whose time has kind of come to go away, but it will never go away because it's the economic driver of the pharmaceutical industry.

00:29:57.000 And like I already said, if you've got 4 million guaranteed customers every single year, it's really about the money.

00:30:04.000 Some industries can be challenged.

00:30:05.000 Tobacco seemed to be untouchable for years.

00:30:08.000 And there actually were some positive.

00:30:08.000 Right.

00:30:12.000 There were some positives to widespread smoking, such as we weren't obese.

00:30:16.000 People died earlier because of lung cancer, no doubt.

00:30:19.000 But smoking is a known appetite suppressant.

00:30:22.000 No one wants to say that out loud, but it's true. 0.99

00:30:24.000 That's true.

00:30:25.000 And again, I'm not saying smoking. 0.64

00:30:27.000 I think smoking is disgusting.

00:30:29.000 I can't stand it, honestly. 0.83

00:30:30.000 I can't stand being around it.

00:30:31.000 However, there was this corner that was turned as people stopped smoking.

00:30:36.000 They started eating more, and the fast food industry benefited tremendously from it.

00:30:40.000 But tobacco, I think, was an industry that needed to be challenged and rightfully so.

00:30:46.000 I think that they preyed on the, let's just say, the good meaning intentions of millions of people, especially young people.

00:30:56.000 So some industries can be disrupted, but unfortunately, it gets transferred, right?

00:30:59.000 It goes from you stop doing cigarettes and then KFC and McDonald's and Taco Bell kind of global ultra kind of fill the place.

00:31:09.000 So 17 different vaccines.

00:31:12.000 So let me ask you this question.

00:31:14.000 There's a lot of new parents that listen to this and they're very, very confused about this topic.

00:31:20.000 So we'll talk about this as much as we can.

00:31:21.000 At the end, you can kind of give some resources.

00:31:23.000 You already did, learning number4you.org.

00:31:26.000 Some parents say, I had no say.

00:31:29.000 My kid was born and they said they had to be vaccinated.

00:31:32.000 Is that true?

00:31:33.000 Does a parent have a say?

00:31:36.000 Not as much as they used to have.

00:31:38.000 I mean, now that it's actually a lot of hospitals actually hold young parents hostage and say, we're not going to release your child from the hospital until they get a hepatitis B vaccine.

00:31:47.000 And we know that they've had a visit from a pediatrician and the pediatrician is actually all pushing the vaccines.

00:31:54.000 See, what I always would say, Charlie, and I would say to your audience, which I know is a younger audience, you know, just investigate before you vaccinate.

00:32:01.000 The only reason that they set up the pediatric schedule like they did at two, four, and six months in one year, where they get like seven to nine doses of vaccines in one day.

00:32:12.000 The reason that that was set up is for doctor convenience and for the sake of your insurance.

00:32:16.000 Well, baby visits are at two, four, and six months.

00:32:19.000 There's nothing magical about that.

00:32:21.000 And it's interesting that ever since this COVID thing has happened, you know, parents are staying at home.

00:32:26.000 They're, you know, they're working from home now.

00:32:28.000 They don't go to the doctor and they've found that their kids now are a year old and they're unvaccinated because they just never got around to going to the pediatrician.

00:32:38.000 And guess what?

00:32:39.000 They didn't die.

00:32:40.000 And guess what?

00:32:41.000 They're healthy.

00:32:42.000 They don't have any other underlying things.

00:32:44.000 And I think that that's been a big eye-opener for young parents.

00:32:48.000 Suddenly they're like, they're questioning the COVID shot as they should, which like is a rollover into them start at least investigating all the other shots.

00:32:58.000 Then they're going, well, maybe these aren't really necessary either.

00:33:01.000 And when they start looking at the ingredients inside of those shots, you know, serum, cow blood, chicken parts, you know, dog kidney cells, insect cells, mercury, tons of aluminum, almost 13,000 micrograms of aluminum if you get the full schedule.

00:33:17.000 And then you look at the cells from aborted fetal tissue that are in the rubella shot, the chickenpox vaccine, and the shingle shot in adults.

00:33:26.000 I mean, they start looking at these ingredients and they go, do I really want this injected in my child?

00:33:30.000 Why didn't anybody tell me these things?

00:33:32.000 And so now that they're investigating, they're like, well, maybe these things aren't so necessary.

00:33:37.000 And so you're talking about transmuting like different things that they change, like from cigarettes to fast food.

00:33:44.000 I think the COVID shot and the challenges that that's had, and people are saying, no, I don't want an experimental genetic modification technology that's going to permanently and irreversibly change my God-given genes and my God-given genetics.

00:33:58.000 I don't want that in my body.

00:33:59.000 Well, maybe I don't want bovine fetal cow serum in my children either.

00:34:04.000 So I think the vaccination rate in the childhood schedule is way down.

00:34:10.000 We don't see any big upticks in a big epidemics of things.

00:34:13.000 So I've said before that there's all these animal parts and the Fenders of the Status quo say that's not true.

00:34:19.000 Really?

00:34:20.000 Go read your own package inserts.

00:34:22.000 So let me just, so I can understand.

00:34:25.000 There are ingredients in the vaccine that are parents are able to look at them or sign off on them.

00:34:32.000 Is every vaccine have these animal parts in them?

00:34:35.000 Well, the aluminum?

00:34:37.000 Almost all of them have aluminum.

00:34:40.000 The flu shots still have multi-dose vials of influenza vaccines still have mercury in them.

00:34:46.000 The aborted fetal cell tissues come in, rubella, which is part of MMR.

00:34:51.000 It's hepatitis A, chickenpox, and the shingles vaccine.

00:34:56.000 And so we were talking about chickenpox earlier.

00:34:59.000 I mean, these ingredients, they're there.

00:35:01.000 They've been there forever.

00:35:03.000 I mean, ever since the beginning.

00:35:04.000 I mean, we had hepatitis B at birth that started in 1991.

00:35:08.000 We had the HIB vaccine that started in 91.

00:35:11.000 Then we had chickenpox that started in 95.

00:35:13.000 We've had pertussis vaccine since the 40s.

00:35:16.000 I mean, we've had all of these toxic, horrible ingredients.

00:35:19.000 So you take your brand new baby, your gift from God that comes into your life that's whole and pure.

00:35:26.000 God didn't go, oh, I forgot the immune system.

00:35:29.000 Hurry, vaccinate.

00:35:30.000 So let me ask you to do this.

00:35:32.000 Let me ask you a question about this.

00:35:34.000 I have no idea if this is anything that you're familiar with talking about.

00:35:39.000 Do you find that C-section children have weaker immune systems?

00:35:43.000 No, not at all.

00:35:45.000 Okay.

00:35:46.000 No.

00:35:46.000 Because you do know there's a whole scientific movement that the C-section, because they don't get the last kind of part of bacteria from the mother, that there's a lot of, there's a huge movement to try to end C-sections.

00:35:59.000 Well, they should end C-sections except for emergencies from probably a whole other bunch of reasons.

00:36:04.000 Well, tell me.

00:36:05.000 I'm interested in that.

00:36:06.000 Yeah.

00:36:07.000 Well, I mean, so many C-sections now, and you can get this data from all kinds of places.

00:36:13.000 It's just done at doctor convenience.

00:36:15.000 I'm going vacation next week, so let's get your baby out today. 1.00

00:36:19.000 You know, it's, you know, we don't let God's natural birth happen anymore.

00:36:25.000 Now, is it a good thing that we have the C-section technology?

00:36:28.000 Absolutely.

00:36:29.000 Because there are conditions with the cord wrapped around the neck or shoulder dystocia or things like that.

00:36:34.000 You can't just fit through the birth canal.

00:36:36.000 Are we glad that we can save the mother and the baby with that technology?

00:36:40.000 But it's way overused, and we've known that for decades.

00:36:43.000 And it's usually done at either the parents' convenience.

00:36:45.000 You know, I'm tired of being, I'm tired of being pregnant.

00:36:48.000 I want to go on a cruise next week, or the doctors are going out of town, or we just schedule it so it's convenient because, oh, well, you're far enough along.

00:36:55.000 Let's just do this.

00:36:57.000 So I think there's lots of reasons why the whole C-section thing should be reconsidered, except for emergency needs.

00:37:04.000 It's used a lot, especially in the upper income ladder.

00:37:06.000 Almost I get to choose my date and I get to circle it.

00:37:09.000 And so the vaccination schedule, for some people, though, they email us, they say, they didn't let me out of the hospital.

00:37:17.000 Are there parents' rights that are available to them?

00:37:20.000 Is it state by state?

00:37:21.000 It's state by state, and it's also almost hospital by hospital because different hospitals in the state of Ohio may have different rules.

00:37:28.000 But they really need to, parents need to step into the place of having their birth, their birth, their birth plan in place before they ever go to the hospital.

00:37:38.000 I've been a big advocate for a long time about home births, having your midwife and things like that backed up.

00:37:44.000 I mean, my business partner, four out of five of his kids were born at home, and it was like no big deal, right?

00:37:44.000 Have it at home.

00:37:51.000 And so I think that people are now not wanting to go to hospitals because as soon as you go to the hospital, you get tested for COVID and all that whole domino effect things happen.

00:38:01.000 And so I believe there's going to be a resurgence of home births, needs for midwives, and doing this at home instead of medicalizing birth.

00:38:10.000 We need to have it like natural God-given birth.

00:38:13.000 Yeah, hospitals are not there for treatment. 0.94

00:38:15.000 They can intervene in a small percentage of births where there are life-threatening.

00:38:22.000 Complications, absolutely.

00:38:23.000 That's what they're trained to do.

00:38:24.000 But in just kind of a very simple, you know, easy birth, they're like, you know, let's just get this done with, right?

00:38:31.000 Exactly.

00:38:32.000 So, yeah.

00:38:32.000 Okay.

00:38:33.000 So I want to ask you something that you said at the beginning, which I'm interested in.

00:38:36.000 You said we have the sickest generation history.

00:38:40.000 Which is so fascinating to me because we are supposed to be the most progressed.

00:38:40.000 We do.

00:38:45.000 It's 2022.

00:38:46.000 We have Twitter.

00:38:48.000 Of course.

00:38:49.000 We're so smart, right?

00:38:51.000 We have Uber, right?

00:38:53.000 And everyone, we have Netflix.

00:38:55.000 I'm being facetious by saying we've had all this technological advancement, allegedly, right?

00:39:00.000 We're getting driverless cars.

00:39:01.000 We have electric vehicles.

00:39:03.000 And yet what you're saying is that, no, actually, we're sicker than ever before.

00:39:07.000 Please talk about that.

00:39:08.000 Well, I think you just summed it up.

00:39:10.000 We are sicker than ever before.

00:39:12.000 I mean, not only from in our children, which that statistic has been published a lot.

00:39:18.000 I mean, you can find that a lot of places that we have the sickest generation of children like ever.

00:39:24.000 I mean, you know, think about this, Charlie.

00:39:26.000 I mean, back in the 60s, back in the 60s, you would have two or three kids in a classroom or maybe in an entire school.

00:39:33.000 I grew up in a really rural school community.

00:39:36.000 There was 101 in my graduating class, and that was a consolidation of three school districts.

00:39:41.000 So I grew up in a little tiny kind of rural town in north central Ohio.

00:39:46.000 And there weren't kids.

00:39:48.000 There was the rare child that was on some sort of a medication.

00:39:53.000 Maybe they had a seizure disorder.

00:39:54.000 Maybe they had asthma, but rarely.

00:39:57.000 And now today, in a classroom of 30 or 40 kids, almost every single child is on at least one medication.

00:40:04.000 How much of that do you think is vaccines and/or just an overly zealous medical community that overdiagnoses?

00:40:10.000 Or you think it's a little bit of both?

00:40:12.000 I don't think, I think it's mostly, well, I think that's a good point.

00:40:15.000 Overdiagnose, I don't think so.

00:40:17.000 But are they too willing to just be overzealous and just to prescribe a medication as opposed to saying maybe they've got food allergies, maybe they've got environmental allergies, maybe they're allergic to the dog, and that's why they're having all of these different things.

00:40:29.000 So an overzealous medical community, because the only tool in their toolbox is writing a prescription.

00:40:37.000 They don't spend time with parents talking about normal developmental milestones and when do you introduce these types of foods.

00:40:43.000 And let's look at, I've had pediatricians, I've read published reports now where pediatricians say, yes, developing asthma at two is kind of a normal milestone.

00:40:54.000 Really?

00:40:56.000 So now they've medicalized everything.

00:40:58.000 And now by two years of age, they've had, you know, many vaccines with all these ingredients we've talked about.

00:41:04.000 And yes, are there other elements?

00:41:07.000 But here's a good story for you, Charlie.

00:41:09.000 Years ago, I spoke at a chiropractic association meeting in Wisconsin.

00:41:13.000 And this dad came up to me on one of the breaks and he said, he said, you could do a study in my family.

00:41:19.000 He said, I have six children.

00:41:21.000 The first three children were fully vaccinated with everything.

00:41:24.000 Then my wife and I kind of woke up and kind of looked around.

00:41:27.000 Our third, the last three children are completely unvaccinated.

00:41:32.000 So they're the same genetics, same food, same house, same laundry detergent, same everything.

00:41:38.000 He said, you would think they were from two completely different families.

00:41:41.000 My oldest three kids that are completely vaccinated are kind of aggressive.

00:41:45.000 They don't do as well in school.

00:41:46.000 They're sick a lot.

00:41:47.000 They've got kind of, they're kind of aggressive in their personality.

00:41:50.000 Our youngest three, completely unvaccinated, get along with everybody.

00:41:54.000 They're straight A students.

00:41:55.000 They've never so much as had a cold.

00:41:57.000 And he said, you could see distinctions, complete distinctions.

00:42:00.000 And the only variable there was the vaccines.

00:42:05.000 You see that a lot?

00:42:06.000 Yes.

00:42:07.000 Because what ends up happening in a lot of cases is that the first child gets fully vaccinated because parents think that's what they're supposed to do.

00:42:15.000 And then they end up with all these illnesses and all these problems.

00:42:18.000 And they're going, they start to investigate and they start looking around, going, I'm not going to do that anymore.

00:42:23.000 So then child two, three, and four are like I just described in that other family.

00:42:27.000 They're completely unvaccinated, no problems whatsoever.

00:42:30.000 You said something interesting.

00:42:31.000 You said that the childhood vaccinations are not going up.

00:42:34.000 They're actually going down.

00:42:36.000 They're going down.

00:42:37.000 Since COVID.

00:42:37.000 What percentage?

00:42:38.000 I don't know the answer to that.

00:42:40.000 It's enough where it's noticeable.

00:42:41.000 It's enough where it's noticeable.

00:42:42.000 Yeah.

00:42:43.000 The birth rate is going down.

00:42:46.000 Suicides are up.

00:42:48.000 Anxiety is up.

00:42:49.000 Drug overdoses are up.

00:42:53.000 Would you say that mass vaccination plays a role in a lot of these different things?

00:42:57.000 Of course.

00:42:58.000 You know, this whole thing that we've been talking about, I mean, in the last two years, Charlie, I've done almost 600 interviews.

00:43:04.000 I've done just between April of 21 and December of 21, I did 389 events, either live events or speaking events, either like being interviewed or having people on my own podcast.

00:43:16.000 So I've talked a lot.

00:43:18.000 I think I know a lot about this topic.

00:43:20.000 And, you know, we talk about the myth of the mask.

00:43:22.000 We know the only thing that masks do is make the person who wears them sick.

00:43:26.000 That's it.

00:43:26.000 They don't block anything.

00:43:28.000 You know, we've talked about the fraud of the PCR testing.

00:43:31.000 We know about the cycle values, cycle thresholds.

00:43:35.000 We know about all they're doing is data harvesting and collecting to put in the mass databases so that they can move us into the transhumanism movement.

00:43:42.000 We know that that's what the PCR testing is all about.

00:43:45.000 We know about the social distancing and what a big complete nonsense that is.

00:43:50.000 I mean, it's the smartest virus ever, right?

00:43:52.000 It can measure six feet.

00:43:53.000 It knows heights.

00:43:54.000 It can count the number of people in the room.

00:43:56.000 And if you're protesting against George Floyd.

00:43:58.000 Bad deal.

00:43:58.000 Absolutely.

00:43:59.000 It knows at 10 o'clock at night is when it comes out and can hop all over everybody, right?

00:44:04.000 And then, of course, the whole, I've identified, I wrote two e-books that are available on my website.

00:44:08.000 It's dr10penny.com.

00:44:10.000 The e-books are the 40 mechanisms.

00:44:13.000 I did 20 mechanisms of injury of how the COVID shots can make you sick or kill you.

00:44:18.000 And I did, it was bad planning on my part.

00:44:20.000 I did a webinar.

00:44:21.000 It was Mother's Day weekend.

00:44:22.000 And people were like, oh, do it again.

00:44:25.000 So we scheduled it to do it in July.

00:44:27.000 And between May and July, I found 20 more mechanisms of injury.

00:44:31.000 So there are 40 different ways these COVID shots can make you sick or kill you.

00:44:35.000 And both of those e-books are available on my website.

00:44:38.000 But we know that these shots are really bad and people don't want them.

00:44:42.000 We think that less, you know, all the numbers that come through the propaganda machine are wrong.

00:44:46.000 We don't have an absolute count on the number of people who are not vaccinated or refusing the vaccines, but we think that the unvaccinated population is more than 40%.

00:44:55.000 And because they don't want it.

00:44:57.000 And so because of that, people are starting to question the entire vaccine paradigm.

00:45:01.000 And I think that once they start realizing their children don't need to be injected with all this toxic stuff, they're beautiful.

00:45:08.000 They come from God.

00:45:09.000 They're pure.

00:45:10.000 You know, God gave them an incredible immune system.

00:45:12.000 We don't need to medicalize their immune system. 0.71

00:45:15.000 So you are, the President of the United States calls you one of the disinformation dozen.

00:45:20.000 I love it.

00:45:20.000 I wear it like a badge.

00:45:22.000 Talk about that.

00:45:24.000 Well, if I...

00:45:25.000 Biden, by the way.

00:45:26.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:45:27.000 Get the name right there.

00:45:28.000 I just want to make sure for our listeners.

00:45:30.000 He says that you are one of the most 12 dangerous people. 0.59

00:45:34.000 You're more dangerous than Fauci. 0.82

00:45:36.000 You're more dangerous than the weed companies, which I'd love your thought on marijuana because I'm not a fan.

00:45:42.000 More dangerous than Budweiser, right?

00:45:44.000 More dangerous than Coors Light.

00:45:45.000 You're more dangerous than the Sackler family, right?

00:45:49.000 No, no, you.

00:45:50.000 Me.

00:45:51.000 You are part of the disinformation dozen.

00:45:53.000 I could talk at length about how they're going to try to criminalize medical speech very soon and how that impacts everybody.

00:46:01.000 Criminalize, not just censor.

00:46:03.000 But how do you interpret and process the president United States kind of declaring war on you?

00:46:12.000 I love it because I feel like that means I'm right over the radar.

00:46:16.000 I am hovering right over the target and they know it.

00:46:19.000 And in all the years that I've been doing this and doing it loudly, you know, when I first got into talking out, speaking a lot about problems associated with vaccines in September of 2000 and been doing it loudly going forward, somebody gave me great advice and they said, Sherry, there's one of two ways that you really need to do this, either very quietly, one-on-one with patients in your office or as big and loud as you possibly can, which was kind of more my personality.

00:46:46.000 You know, once I know what I know, I want to share it with people.

00:46:50.000 And they've never, ever been able to challenge me on the science because I only pull out information from peer-reviewed published literature.

00:46:58.000 I have a personal collection of over 17,000 articles from the peer-reviewed medical literature showing problems with vaccines, either whole full-text articles or links to abstracts to articles.

00:47:11.000 And people can access that.

00:47:12.000 It's free.

00:47:12.000 It's called the 10Penny Research Library.

00:47:15.000 So it's like the 10penny research.

00:47:16.000 It's 10pennyresearchlibrary.com.

00:47:19.000 All you have to do is sign up for free, just register, and you can have access to that entire collection of articles showing problems with vaccines.

00:47:27.000 So when the president of the person who calls himself president of the United States declares war on me, it's like, bring it on, baby.

00:47:36.000 We've tried for years, Charlie.

00:47:38.000 We've tried for years to have a legitimate debate between pro-vaccine people and those of us that are the disinformation dozen.

00:47:47.000 And we actually had the closest that we had this done, it was about maybe 2018.

00:47:53.000 We're going to set this up in Georgia.

00:47:56.000 We invited very pro-vaccine, highly credentialed people from Emory and the CDC to come.

00:48:02.000 And you sit on this side of the stage and me and Dr. Larry Paulewski and Dr. Lee Merritt and we'll sit on the other side of the stage.

00:48:11.000 You'll get questions in advance that you'll be able to prepare your answer in advance.

00:48:15.000 There'll be no gotcha questions.

00:48:17.000 And we hired a very professional local television guy to be the moderator.

00:48:23.000 So there would be no, it would just be my answers versus their answers, our answers versus their answers, and have it highly publicized was going to be about two hours and then let the people decide.

00:48:34.000 So we all decided to go to Georgia.

00:48:36.000 We were ready to do this debate.

00:48:37.000 There was like six people on the disinformation side and six people on their side.

00:48:42.000 And three days before the event was supposed to occur, they all pulled out because their discussion was, we can't have a debate with these people because then we will give credibility to the fact that there's something worth debating.

00:48:56.000 And so every time that we have tried to like, come on, bring it on.

00:48:59.000 Let's go have a conversation.

00:49:01.000 Your stuff versus my stuff.

00:49:03.000 They refuse to do it.

00:49:04.000 And that's their excuse, that if we debate it, we're giving it credibility that there's something worth debating.

00:49:12.000 And of course there's something.

00:49:13.000 If I've got 17,000 articles pulled from peer-reviewed medical literature like the New England Journal and JAMA and, you know, British Medical Journal and all these different things published in their studies that they should know about, and they aren't willing to just have a conversation about what's your beliefs, show us your science.

00:49:32.000 We'll talk about our beliefs.

00:49:33.000 We'll show you our science and then let the people decide.

00:49:36.000 It's happened every time.

00:49:37.000 We've tried to set that up about four times.

00:49:39.000 Most recently was a big deal and they canceled the event.

00:49:43.000 So for people that are heavily vaccinated, like I am growing up, what can you do?

00:49:49.000 Because it sounds, you know, if you're right, you're going to have all these health problems.

00:49:53.000 What can a vaccinated person do?

00:49:55.000 Because that obviously has to be part of your outreach too, right?

00:49:58.000 Well, partly there's two answers to that.

00:50:01.000 For one thing, you know, once you're vaccinated, you can't unvaccinate.

00:50:06.000 It's not like I can stick a needle in you and go and pull it back out of your system.

00:50:10.000 So once you are vaccinated, you cannot unvaccinate.

00:50:14.000 And that's why I would encourage your young audience, the people that listen to you and follow you, please investigate before you vaccinate.

00:50:21.000 Know what's coming through the needle.

00:50:23.000 Know the potential side effects and understand what measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox really is and how you can treat it naturally at home.

00:50:30.000 Like everybody in my generation just had all those infections.

00:50:33.000 It was not a big deal.

00:50:34.000 And that was prior to some of the treatments that have now been developed.

00:50:39.000 Well, no, it was like, you know, you let the infection run its course.

00:50:43.000 You know what?

00:50:44.000 I'm agreeing with you, meaning that there's more widespread magnesium, zinc.

00:50:48.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:50:49.000 Homeopathic doctors, intravenous therapy, ozone therapy.

00:50:52.000 All these things.

00:50:53.000 Like these are things that are now more widespread than in the 1960s.

00:50:58.000 Yes, but I'm also saying that, you know, I'm a lot older than I look.

00:51:04.000 And I'm saying that, you know, people, all these people in my generation, you know, 50 and above generation, we had all these infections and recovered.

00:51:14.000 That's not going to give people comfort.

00:51:15.000 Well, but we all lived.

00:51:17.000 You don't see a bunch of dead people.

00:51:19.000 And yet there are, again, I will say, yes, there are other things that parents feel like they need to do something.

00:51:25.000 And so there are homeopathy, there's herboproduction.

00:51:27.000 I'm trying to create a bridge because just telling a parent that your kids is going to get mumps.

00:51:35.000 But here's part of what I'm saying is like, if you did just a little bit of reading, just a little bit, even on your phone, and find out what mumps really was, maybe you wouldn't be so terrified of it.

00:51:44.000 And if your kid got mumps, it wouldn't be such a big deal.

00:51:47.000 And if they did, you can.

00:51:48.000 If you Google mumps, the first picture that shows up is a poor six-year-old with a massive gland.

00:51:53.000 And it's the only picture they have of that.

00:51:57.000 Right?

00:51:57.000 I don't know.

00:51:58.000 You tell me.

00:52:00.000 It is.

00:52:00.000 So I'm just saying, investigate before you vaccinate.

00:52:03.000 Know what mumps really is.

00:52:04.000 If it's just a swollen big bunch of glands, is that so terrifying?

00:52:08.000 Well, the question is, is it permanent?

00:52:09.000 Right?

00:52:10.000 It's not permanent.

00:52:11.000 It goes away in seven to 10 days with a lifetime of immunity, as opposed to artificial immunity that you get from the shots.

00:52:17.000 But I'm just saying you need to just investigate.

00:52:19.000 Just look a little bit deeper.

00:52:21.000 Understand what you can do as terms of home remedies.

00:52:24.000 Can you use lavender oil and can you use different types of things?

00:52:29.000 But the most important thing is keep your child healthy in terms of keeping away from white sugar, white flour, junk food, all those different things.

00:52:37.000 And I've got parents in our practice that have never given their children sugar ever.

00:52:43.000 If they want a treat, they get a piece of fruit.

00:52:46.000 They get something with honey.

00:52:48.000 They've never adopted the acquired taste of something sweet that comes from white sugar.

00:52:54.000 Yeah, sugar and fat. 0.99

00:52:56.000 Did you ever read the book?

00:52:57.000 You know, Mendelson wrote this book back in the 50s, How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of Your Pediatrician?

00:53:02.000 No, I've not read that.

00:53:04.000 Well, maybe some of your audience have read it.

00:53:06.000 It's been around for a long time.

00:53:07.000 How to raise a healthy child in spite of your pediatrician.

00:53:10.000 And I think that that's just a little bit of investigation.

00:53:13.000 And then decide.

00:53:14.000 And if parents are really terrified of polio, well, then at least you should be able to pick and choose.

00:53:19.000 You don't have to get the entire boatload of vaccines.

00:53:22.000 If they're like, well, wait a minute, polio hasn't been in the Western Hemisphere since 1994.

00:53:26.000 Maybe I don't want to get four of those shots.

00:53:28.000 Yeah.

00:53:28.000 And so if I worked for Pfizer or AstraZeneca or Moderna or Johnson Johnson, which I don't, they'd say, okay, if we don't keep up the fight against polio and keep vaccinating, then 20 years from now, because of people like you, polio is going to come back.

00:53:42.000 Is there any proof of that?

00:53:43.000 That's what they're going to say.

00:53:44.000 They're going to say polio existed before, and thanks to us, it's gone.

00:53:47.000 That's basically shtick.

00:53:50.000 They're shtick, exactly.

00:53:52.000 That's what it is.

00:53:53.000 Exactly like that.

00:53:54.000 And so, and parents find that to be persuasive.

00:53:58.000 Some do.

00:53:59.000 Some do, and most, and a lot don't.

00:54:01.000 In fact, before we started, there was several studies that came out in the 16, 17 era that showed that more than 60% of parents were seriously questioning the pediatric childhood schedule.

00:54:16.000 Why do they have even pro-vaccine parents, even parents that were willing to get their child vaccinated, they were like, can I give them one at a time?

00:54:25.000 Can I spread them out?

00:54:26.000 Do I have to get six on the same day?

00:54:29.000 Do I have to get four doses of polio vaccine for it to be effective?

00:54:32.000 Can I just get one or two?

00:54:34.000 You know, and so they started making that.

00:54:37.000 So parents were starting to question, do I need to get this entire thing?

00:54:42.000 And so part of when the parents were questioning that, what the pharmaceutical industry response to that was making combination vaccines.

00:54:49.000 So they would have four or five vaccines in one shot.

00:54:52.000 So instead of the nurse bringing in five needles, they'd bring in one shot and the parent, and they would say, oh, it's just one shot.

00:54:58.000 And unless the parents investigated it, they didn't realize they were getting five shots in one.

00:55:02.000 Yeah, I mean, that's like putting a whole bottle of Jack Daniels in one glass.

00:55:06.000 It's just one shot.

00:55:07.000 Come on.

00:55:08.000 Exactly.

00:55:10.000 It's a bigger amount.

00:55:11.000 Okay, so you mentioned autism.

00:55:13.000 Yeah.

00:55:14.000 So just for some of our listeners, just to find our terms, what is autism?

00:55:20.000 It's brain inflammation.

00:55:22.000 And there's various degrees of it.

00:55:25.000 It's not a one-size-fits-all.

00:55:27.000 You can be mildly on the spectrum or you can be so severe that you can't speak, talk.

00:55:31.000 You'll always wear a helmet.

00:55:32.000 And when you're 27 years old, you'll still be in a diaper.

00:55:35.000 I mean, it's brain inflammation is what autism is.

00:55:38.000 And that can be diagnosed through just, you could see it, basically, is what you're saying, through an x-ray or CAT scan or whatever.

00:55:46.000 No, no, no.

00:55:47.000 You would have to do a PET scan, which they don't do that.

00:55:50.000 It's diagnosed by a behavior analysis.

00:55:53.000 So autism is increasing one in 33.

00:55:57.000 Is that about right?

00:55:58.000 That's about right.

00:55:59.000 Stephanie Sena from MIT, you know, has done some projections and saying that if we stay on the same rate of autism that by the year 2035, I think she said, or maybe 2032, but in that, that 50% of all children will be on the autism spectrum.

00:56:17.000 And of that 50%, the vast majority will be boys.

00:56:22.000 For some reason, boys are more susceptible to the brain injury that comes.

00:56:26.000 So they, again, they'll go back.

00:56:29.000 They'll say it's not because of the vaccine.

00:56:31.000 It's disproven.

00:56:32.000 It's not disproven.

00:56:34.000 I mean, there are hundreds of articles that are published about it.

00:56:37.000 Even Dr. Andy Wakefield, who they, you know, continue to chastise him, that was 20-some years ago when he published that case report saying perhaps we need to investigate this further.

00:56:48.000 And instead, that was taken out of context and he was made the villain of the entire vaccine industry.

00:56:53.000 I mean, it was like 2,100 mainstream articles about him, like in a matter of 48 hours.

00:57:00.000 He was on Anderson after he was on Anderson Cooper and all this stuff, right?

00:57:03.000 So they still use that disparaged, a disparaged physician who said that there was any connection between MMR and autism.

00:57:12.000 They drag Andy around every once in a while, but that was 20 years ago.

00:57:16.000 Do you really think that maybe there have been more research studies and more things that have been published since that time?

00:57:21.000 The answer is yes, but they never talk about those.

00:57:24.000 Yeah, it's this kind of very frustrating loop I'm sure that you're in because no one wants to study it as deeply as you think they should, right?

00:57:32.000 And then there's all these other side effects.

00:57:34.000 They say it's, oh, it's other things.

00:57:36.000 For example, autism, they say, well, we're just diagnosing it now.

00:57:39.000 We didn't even know what it was.

00:57:40.000 Where are the adult autistic people that are wearing helmets and banging their head if it really wasn't, if it was just better diagnosis? 0.88

00:57:47.000 Yeah, so we don't see any older people on that spectrum because they didn't get all these doses.

00:57:54.000 And if you did, it would probably be fetal alcohol syndrome.

00:57:57.000 You know what I'm talking about.

00:57:59.000 Is that the correct medical term?

00:58:01.000 Where there wasn't as much information about drinking while pregnant. 0.93

00:58:04.000 Is that correct?

00:58:05.000 That was probably the leader of brain injury or mental, you know, issue, mental incapacitation of that generation.

00:58:12.000 Probably.

00:58:13.000 There was a lot of things.

00:58:14.000 And that was in the 50s and the 40s when women started smoking, when we were talking about smoking a little bit earlier while pregnant and things like that.

00:58:23.000 So we've come kind of full circle to a lot of different things about the issues with these childhood shots.

00:58:30.000 I'd really like to spend the last few minutes while we're together more on the COVID shot and what Yeah, the reason I haven't focused on that is we've done a ton of guests on that.

00:58:38.000 Oh, okay.

00:58:38.000 And no, but I want you to talk about it.

00:58:40.000 I haven't been dodging it, obviously.

00:58:42.000 Our other guests have been hesitant to talk where we spent the last hour.

00:58:46.000 Oh, cool.

00:58:46.000 So you've kind of helped fill that in.

00:58:47.000 But please, COVID check.

00:58:48.000 Well, I just want to say that, you know, the because to me, I've been doing this talk.

00:58:52.000 I mean, I did this talk at, you know, Clay Clark's event this weekend.

00:58:55.000 And the talk that I've been doing around the country is the spiritual ramifications of the COVID shot.

00:59:00.000 And that's really heavy on my heart.

00:59:02.000 You know, God put that on my heart.

00:59:03.000 And I've been doing that pretty full steam ahead.

00:59:06.000 So it's a little different take on just like the messenger RNA and all the shots of maybe some of your other guests because I really believe that there's strong ramifications of what this COVID shot does to our genetics as a genetic modification technology that are God-given genes, that there's one of us.

00:59:23.000 You know, when your dad's sperm and your mom's egg came together and God said, spark of life, there's never been another one of you ever, and there won't be in the future.

00:59:33.000 It's God's gift to us, and Yahweh is actually written right across our genes in the Hebrew, in the Hebrew language, in the Hebrew letters.

00:59:40.000 And these COVID shots are actually going in and snipping those sulfide bonds and trying and removing Yahweh from our genes. 0.95

00:59:47.000 And actually, when you do all the spiritual, you know, biblical texts and saying, you know, our body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, and we volunteer to contaminate it, I think that that's a really, really big deal.

00:59:57.000 And I think that those people who've taken the shot and start looking around at all the different ramifications of that, it's going to become a spiritual revival, Charlie, and you know, about that people need to get back to God because they got vaccinated for one of two reasons: either out of fear or convenience.

01:00:14.000 Now, fear, they should have taken to the Lord in prayer.

01:00:17.000 They should have read their, you know, there's over 100 verses in the Bible that say fear not.

01:00:21.000 And I kind of say that if God repeats himself that many times, it's probably important.

01:00:26.000 365.

01:00:27.000 Do not be afraid one for every day.

01:00:28.000 Well, yes and no.

01:00:30.000 I mean, it doesn't say fear not, but there's lots of time.

01:00:33.000 There are 365 fear-based scriptures, but they don't all say fear not.

01:00:38.000 I'm actually writing a book on that right now.

01:00:40.000 Well, then I'll have to go tell a theologian he's wrong.

01:00:42.000 Well, no, I've got the list.

01:00:44.000 But when you actually look at the list at the 365, it's more about it's bigger than that.

01:00:44.000 Okay.

01:00:50.000 So it's just like the personal fear knot, you know, the personal fear knots.

01:00:54.000 So you either you should have prayed about it and said, Lord, take this fear away from me.

01:00:59.000 I trust in you for my health or for convenience.

01:01:02.000 I want to go on a cruise.

01:01:03.000 I want to, you know, go to the house of blues.

01:01:05.000 I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to.

01:01:07.000 And once the people started really kind of realizing when you start seeing people that are seriously injured, I mean, the VARES database, are you familiar with the vaccine adverse event reporting?

01:01:16.000 Good job.

01:01:16.000 You know, the last time I looked, 21,000 deaths and more than a million and more than a million reported adverse events.

01:01:23.000 And that was as of December 24th.

01:01:24.000 It's probably low.

01:01:25.000 Yeah.

01:01:26.000 It's probably, and that's 1%, right?

01:01:28.000 So I believe that when people start seeing that, that they really need to, you know, it was, they, they, they chose poorly.

01:01:36.000 And that choice has led to serious complications.

01:01:39.000 And it should lead them back to God.

01:01:42.000 How could people follow you and support you?

01:01:44.000 Well, we have a new website because we're raising money for a new healthcare system.

01:01:50.000 I mean, what we're doing is I've got some great ideas.

01:01:53.000 We've got a great team that we're put together because everybody's so sick of the healthcare system the way that it is.

01:01:58.000 And so we want to help be part of developing a whole new healthcare system going forward that takes people that the pharmaceutical industry and the insurance industry don't tell you the type of care that you need to do.

01:02:11.000 You get to make choices.

01:02:12.000 You need to get early aggressive treatment for all this COVID stuff.

01:02:16.000 And they can find that by going the to the 10pennyalliance.org.

01:02:20.000 How do you spell 10penny?

01:02:22.000 T-E-N-P-like Peter E-N-N-Y, just like it sounds, the 10pennyalliance.org.

01:02:29.000 And we're going to be posting more and more things there.

01:02:31.000 We've got a donate button because we're raising tons of money to be able to make, to put clinics across America to be one of the initial people.

01:02:39.000 I know there's lots of people kind of doing these things, and it's all going to work.

01:02:43.000 It's all going to work.

01:02:44.000 And we're going to create clinics to address early treatment of all kinds of things.

01:02:51.000 So that 10pennyalliance.org, they can look there.

01:02:54.000 The most important place to really follow me and all that stuff is just dr10penny.com.

01:02:59.000 I've been knocked off of every social media platform, as you can imagine.

01:03:02.000 So if you can see it.

01:03:03.000 Now you're back on ours.

01:03:05.000 Okay, great.

01:03:06.000 And the reason we had the conversation the way we did is there will be hundreds of thousands of people that listen to this that don't know where they fall on this kind of issue, myself included.

01:03:18.000 I'm still just very curious about it.

01:03:19.000 But you explained it in a very factual and very fair way and persuasive.

01:03:24.000 And so thank you so much for coming on.

01:03:27.000 And they can find a lot of stuff like the podcast and all kinds of information.

01:03:31.000 Learningforyou.org is where we have all of our courses.

01:03:34.000 If people want to do that, the learning, either way, it can either be F-O-R or F-OR.

01:03:40.000 LearningForYou, Y-O-U.org is courses.

01:03:43.000 drtenpenny.com is our podcast and all the additional information.

01:03:47.000 And, you know, the 10pennyalliance.org is where we're going to be changing the healthcare system.

01:03:52.000 Thank you so much, Doctor, for joining us.

01:03:54.000 Thank you so much, Charlie.

01:03:55.000 Thank you so much.

01:03:58.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

01:04:00.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - January 22, 2022

Vaccines: Unfiltered, Uncensored, and In-Depth with Dr. Sherri Tenpenny

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