The Charlie Kirk Show - VP Vance at UGA + Kamala Harris and the Seven Dwarfs?

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00:01:17.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:19.000 It's Wednesday, April 15th.

00:01:20.000 Wait, it's tax day.

00:01:22.000 Oh, gosh.

00:01:23.000 Yeah.

00:01:23.000 Man, it's a good thing I paid my taxes over a year ago.

00:01:27.000 You're that early?

00:01:29.000 It's a Simpsons joke, and I keep trying, even though nobody gets it.

00:01:32.000 Some people brag about getting their taxes early.

00:01:35.000 I'm like, how do you get your tax documents in order?

00:01:38.000 You know, like two weeks, it feels like before the tax deadline comes.

00:01:41.000 All right.

00:01:42.000 Anyways, welcome.

00:01:43.000 We're back here at the Y Refi Studios in Phoenix, at the SIAM.

00:01:46.000 Blake's been here.

00:01:47.000 Had a late night getting here, and it's been a bit of a whirlwind for me personally, but I'm very glad to be back in Phoenix after our event yesterday at the University of Georgia in Athens, Georgia.

00:02:00.000 And it was quite the.

00:02:02.000 Quite the event, I will say.

00:02:04.000 It was one that will stand out for me as far as what I remember.

00:02:07.000 I mean, we've had so many events over the years, and it was a whirlwind, I will tell you.

00:02:12.000 Obviously, the big part of the news was that Erica was canceled her appearance at that because of security threats that were made against her.

00:02:22.000 It was something we were monitoring for days before the event.

00:02:26.000 We actually had a high school event that was planned to be before the college event in the area that we had to cancel a few days before.

00:02:34.000 Before, because of the increased online chatter that we were monitoring, our security team, I should say, was monitoring.

00:02:40.000 And so we thought, you know, we got the Secret Service, everything should be fine at the main event.

00:02:44.000 But what ended up happening, and I have to be somewhat careful here because the security, our security team does, you know, obviously wants to be a little bit circumspect in the way that we talk about this because we don't want to give the bad guys any more ideas.

00:02:58.000 But it was a situation where they were trying to dox her travel and monitor her travel, suggesting different ways that people could attack her.

00:03:06.000 And it was like, Something we were actively trying to navigate and change itineraries, move locations.

00:03:14.000 Nobody wants to live that way.

00:03:16.000 It was a terrible experience in many, many ways.

00:03:18.000 And I feel terrible for Erica.

00:03:20.000 And ultimately, you know, when you're in that moment and the security team looks at you and says, we can't guarantee your safety, at some point you just have to say, we'll do this a different way.

00:03:32.000 And that's what we ultimately did yesterday.

00:03:35.000 I was honored to be able to pinch hit for Erica.

00:03:38.000 I was honored that the vice president.

00:03:42.000 Was open to continue the event with me in her stead.

00:03:45.000 So it was an honor to do that.

00:03:46.000 And I think we had a really important conversation.

00:03:49.000 And the clips are all over.

00:03:51.000 So I'm really proud of that.

00:03:52.000 I think it was really important topics that we got to.

00:03:54.000 I got to ask a Catholic vice president about the Catholic Pope and all of that good stuff.

00:03:58.000 We had questions about Epstein.

00:04:00.000 We had questions about H 1B and immigration.

00:04:02.000 So in total, it was a really tremendous conversation that I will look back on fondly.

00:04:09.000 I was honored to do it.

00:04:10.000 But obviously, the main story is that Erica.

00:04:13.000 Had to make that terrible decision to not go.

00:04:17.000 And When your children are one parent away from being orphans and the security gives you that tough assessment, obviously you want to take that very seriously.

00:04:29.000 And so we did.

00:04:30.000 And that's that.

00:04:31.000 So I will say there was other news that was.

00:04:37.000 The internet is a fun place, Blake.

00:04:39.000 And I saw you mixing it up on the internet.

00:04:41.000 A little, a little. 0.65

00:04:42.000 I mean, there's a lot of disgusting people on the internet who need to be put in their place.

00:04:45.000 Yeah, Blake is. 0.82

00:04:48.000 I've watched you slowly.

00:04:50.000 Just reach the end of yourself.

00:04:52.000 And so I can appreciate that.

00:04:54.000 I think you're very good at it.

00:04:55.000 You're very measured.

00:04:57.000 You stay very controlled.

00:04:59.000 Anyway, so the other story that was happening last night, I think it's worth addressing just briefly.

00:05:04.000 I mean, we had over 2,000 mostly students attend that event, but it was a very large venue.

00:05:09.000 So 2,000 at any college event is massive.

00:05:13.000 A couple things happened in advance of this.

00:05:16.000 And this is one of the pieces of evidence that we made when we were determining Erica's participation in the event is that there was just so much counter protest energy.

00:05:27.000 That was apparently all the talk of the school.

00:05:30.000 And you combine that with the death threats and the doxing of the travel and the itineraries, all of these things.

00:05:37.000 But so a couple things happened.

00:05:38.000 So we ended up having to open doors and close doors earlier than was previously scheduled.

00:05:43.000 Okay.

00:05:43.000 So that was something.

00:05:45.000 A lot of people were seeing the news, what happened with Savannah and Minneapolis.

00:05:48.000 So that was also a conversation that we were having.

00:05:51.000 And then there were a bunch of left wing groups that tried, and they do this at a number of events.

00:05:56.000 We have this pretty much down to a science where if we have, in this event, in which case we had about 10,000 tickets reserved for the event, and the venue holds about 4,000 when you consider the stage.

00:06:07.000 So if you do like a hockey event at this event, it's about 6,000, but then you put a stage in, it only fits about 4,000.

00:06:15.000 So, we had over 2,000 people there.

00:06:17.000 Massive, massive energy.

00:06:18.000 Great, great enthusiasm from the attendees.

00:06:21.000 But the, and this happens, the left wing groups swarm the ticketing and they try and book up all the tickets and then they don't show.

00:06:28.000 And that's one of their forms of protest.

00:06:29.000 Normally, we're pretty good at sniffing it out, but they use some new means and activities.

00:06:34.000 And so, we're working with our ticketing systems to adjust for that moving forward.

00:06:39.000 But yeah, it was an eventful night.

00:06:42.000 But let's get into some of the clips here because I think it's really, again, the important piece is what was discussed in.

00:06:49.000 Tens of thousands, maybe millions, I'm sure actually millions have seen this.

00:06:53.000 Let's just dive into it.

00:06:54.000 Let's dive into it.

00:06:55.000 I think one of the best things you can do at these events is you can just tout wins that aren't talked about enough.

00:07:00.000 I think one of my favorites is he just mentions, guys, the number of new H 1Bs, which we hear about from students all the time, it is down 90%.

00:07:08.000 Clip three.

00:07:09.000 The asylum process was, I mean, there were, guys, there were literally millions of people coming into the United States every single year on false asylum claims.

00:07:20.000 We have those claims down something like north of 95%.

00:07:24.000 I'm very proud of what we've done in the Trump administration.

00:07:26.000 Massive reductions in fraudulent visas, massive reductions in fraudulent number of asylum claims, massive reduction in H 1B visas granted.

00:07:35.000 We're making a lot of progress.

00:07:36.000 I think another good clip we have is we've had a little bit of back and forth in this all week, but people keep asking him questions about the Pope.

00:07:45.000 And it's very funny because they're trying to put heat on him for saying, I won't be bossed around by the Pope, which every time we had Catholic politicians in the past, the attack was they'd get bossed around by the Pope.

00:07:56.000 Very strange reversal here.

00:07:57.000 But let's play clip 12.

00:07:59.000 So the Pope said something.

00:08:00.000 He said that God is never on the side of those who wield the sword.

00:08:05.000 God is never on the side of those who wield the sword. 1.00

00:08:07.000 I'm pretty sure that he said that exact statement.

00:08:10.000 How can you say that God is never on the side of those who wield the sword?

00:08:15.000 Was God on the side of the Americans who liberated France from the Nazis? 0.61

00:08:20.000 Was God on the side of the Americans who liberated Holocaust camps and liberated those innocent people from those who had survived the Holocaust? 0.83

00:08:32.000 I certainly think the answer is yes.

00:08:34.000 You hear that heckler?

00:08:37.000 There was like one heckler.

00:08:38.000 And like, I noticed that he was talking about, you know, why are you committing genocide?

00:08:44.000 And he had a great answer for it.

00:08:45.000 I thought he dealt with, and it was about, you know, Palestine or whatever.

00:08:49.000 And he was like, he's like, we brought peace to Palestine, actually.

00:08:52.000 You know, and it was a great moment.

00:08:54.000 The crowd rallied behind it.

00:08:56.000 It was, I mean, the energy was tremendous.

00:08:59.000 And the reactions, I mean, from his answers, I thought he gave a couple really good mic drop answers.

00:09:05.000 Vice President Vance's defense of Erica, I thought, was just a kind of a beautiful moment.

00:09:09.000 But also, actually, with everything that's going on with Savannah Hernandez, he mentions that he talked with FBI Director Kash Patel about that. 0.64

00:09:16.000 Sot one.

00:09:17.000 Kash Patel on the way down here, and I said, I assume that we're doing something here.

00:09:20.000 And he said, Yes, we've had multiple agents on the ground.

00:09:22.000 We've already talked to Savannah.

00:09:24.000 We're going to use the video to try to go after the people who assaulted her and then try to defund the networks that fund those radicals who are going around assaulting activists.

00:09:33.000 That's what we should be doing.

00:09:35.000 Yeah.

00:09:36.000 And I'm reminded, and I mentioned it actually this morning on another media hit I did, but I always think back to one of Charlie's, I think it was Charlie's actually last text to Stephen Miller talking about defunding the networks of these left wing, you know, essentially domestic terrorists that are trying to come after us and hurt us and all this stuff.

00:09:56.000 And it's critically important.

00:09:58.000 And Scott Besson at Treasury is still working on this.

00:10:00.000 So we monitor that very closely because it's so important because a lot of these groups, they really do need to be dismantled very soon.

00:10:06.000 And they've gotten away for years, they got away with.

00:10:09.000 Nobody's seriously policing them.

00:10:11.000 We've got, I mean, we've had that report the other day, which we'll hopefully cover in the next few days, where, yeah, the Biden administration put all its focus on investigating pro life demonstrators, including people who just prayed outside of clinics.

00:10:23.000 And then people who besiege federal courthouses, people who plan to disrupt conservative events, assault conservative speakers, assault conservative grassroots activists, they get away with everything.

00:10:33.000 Yeah.

00:10:35.000 There was another great moment, actually, with a student who asked a question, and I believe she was Indian, and she was saying, You know, about this conversation about immigration, you know, you're lauding the decrease in legal immigration, which again, we're going to get into with Alex Marlowe at the top of hour two.

00:10:52.000 What about me, my parents, and, you know, how is that America First?

00:10:57.000 What's the answer?

00:10:58.000 How do you bring both these sides together?

00:11:00.000 And I thought JD did a phenomenal job talking about what is America First?

00:11:03.000 What are our obligations to American citizens?

00:11:06.000 Ukrainian American, again, a kind person.

00:11:06.000 SOT 11.

00:11:10.000 They probably didn't vote for me after this conversation, but he was kind of sticking his finger.

00:11:14.000 In my face saying, You need to support my country.

00:11:19.000 You need to support my country.

00:11:20.000 And I said, Sir, with all due respect, if you're an American, your country is the United States of America, not a place that you immigrated from whenever that was.

00:11:29.000 Whether your family's been here for 300 years or one second, to be an American means to look out for Americans first.

00:11:35.000 And that's the perspective we have to take to our immigration policy.

00:11:39.000 I mean, that's a tough thing because you think JD's married to Usha, Indian family, and he's got this Indian student asking him about what about legal immigrants like my parents?

00:11:39.000 Yep.

00:11:39.000 Amen.

00:11:51.000 It's not the easiest question to answer.

00:11:53.000 But it's also a great shield, of course.

00:11:55.000 It gives him some serious upper hand.

00:11:59.000 Yeah.

00:12:01.000 There was another one here about JD.

00:12:04.000 Let me see.

00:12:05.000 I'm looking for the clip.

00:12:07.000 Oh, the Epstein.

00:12:09.000 Yeah.

00:12:09.000 So it's funny because.

00:12:10.000 You know, we're getting people telling us, wrap it up, wrap it up, wrap it up.

00:12:14.000 And JD just goes, ah, just one more.

00:12:16.000 And I was like, good, good, one more.

00:12:18.000 And, you know, we have no idea what the question is going to be.

00:12:20.000 Of course, it's about Epstein.

00:12:21.000 And I thought he dealt with it really, really well.

00:12:23.000 Sot four.

00:12:24.000 What you see in those emails is that Jeffrey Epstein hated Donald Trump.

00:12:29.000 And Donald Trump hated Jeffrey Epstein. 0.99

00:12:31.000 In fact, one of the emails is about Donald Trump narking on Jeffrey Epstein to the local sheriff saying, this guy's a scumbag. 0.99

00:12:38.000 You should go and pick him up. 0.99

00:12:39.000 So when Donald Trump says, when the president says, this is a hoax, He's not saying it's a hoax that Epstein was the scumbag. 0.91

00:12:46.000 He's not saying that it's a hoax that Epstein was connected to powerful people. 0.84

00:12:50.000 He's saying this democratic idea that somehow he was Epstein's best friend, that is a hoax.

00:12:55.000 And if you look at the emails, it's obvious that Jeffrey Epstein hated Donald J. Trump.

00:13:00.000 And by the way, one of the best signs for whether you're a good person or not, for whether you're a decent human being, is if the worst people in the world hate your guts.

00:13:10.000 The fact that Jeffrey Epstein hates Donald J. Trump is a pretty good thing for Donald J. Trump.

00:13:15.000 I would like to be hated by Jeffrey Epstein.

00:13:17.000 Well, Jeffrey Epstein is dead. 0.92

00:13:19.000 So it's probably a good idea.

00:13:19.000 He's dead.

00:13:20.000 But if he was still alive, yeah.

00:13:22.000 I would have liked to have been on, you know, well, I actually would have been probably better not to be known by Jeffrey Epstein, which is thankfully what I can claim, both of us.

00:13:32.000 So, anyways, give me your overall thoughts, his answers.

00:13:37.000 Oh, that was great.

00:13:38.000 You were on the outside.

00:13:40.000 I think Vance, he faces a lot of tough tests.

00:13:42.000 I think the administration, almost in a calculated way, gives him tough jobs.

00:13:46.000 But it's like that meme you can find online, like with, Jesus, and it's like, stop giving me your toughest battles, you are my best soldier, and I think that's how Vance is distinguishing himself.

00:13:57.000 He is a very good soldier for the administration and for the movement.

00:14:01.000 Yeah, and I would be remiss if I didn't.

00:14:03.000 He also mentioned during the event that one of his sons got baptized right, oh yeah, Easter.

00:14:09.000 So yeah, you're right, you're right.

00:14:10.000 That was that's very glad to hear that.

00:14:12.000 Yeah, which is, I think it was interesting because we we, we started the conversation talking about the attacks on Erica and both the social media attacks and now you know actual You know, threats against her.

00:14:25.000 And then we kind of went into his Catholic faith, and then he's coming out with a book called Communion that apparently he's been writing for nine, ten years called, you know, Communion, which is a very Catholic title.

00:14:38.000 And then we got into the Pope, and then, you know, his son getting baptized when he got baptized.

00:14:43.000 And it's something that is interesting about the entire story of JD Vance because he said at the memorial, I have talked about God more in the last two weeks than I have in my entire public life.

00:14:52.000 And it's promising to see.

00:14:55.000 One of the leaders of the free world, the second most powerful man in America, continued to talk about Jesus, talk about his faith, his conversion, and then you see his son get baptized.

00:15:04.000 Yes. 0.76

00:15:05.000 Yeah, and it's something that they take a lot of scrutiny for because Usha obviously is not.

00:15:10.000 And I think it's really admirable of the way he navigates that in a very complicated media environment and the way he does it with grace and class and dignity while respecting his family.

00:15:20.000 I just have tipped him.

00:15:22.000 I think he's very talented at it.

00:15:23.000 They put him through a lot of tests, a lot of challenges.

00:15:26.000 I think he steps up to it very well.

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00:16:43.000 Welcoming back to the show is one of our favorite guests, and that's Mark Halperin.

00:16:48.000 He's the editor-in-chief of Two Way.

00:16:50.000 And next up on the Megyn Kelly Network, Mark, welcome back.

00:16:53.000 Gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen, I only have one question for you.

00:16:57.000 How long would the vice president have to have gone listing his favorite shows before he got to one of mine?

00:17:02.000 Because you guys were first.

00:17:04.000 And I was like, well, it's a natural progression to go from your show to my show.

00:17:09.000 I'm glad you saw that clip because I will admit that I was genuinely surprised he name dropped the show.

00:17:16.000 And I was grateful for it, of course, but it was not planned.

00:17:18.000 I did not put him up there.

00:17:20.000 Yeah, sure.

00:17:21.000 I know there were cue cards, teleprompter.

00:17:24.000 I almost brought the clip with me.

00:17:25.000 Like I was like, you know, Hugh Grant coming on your show with a clip.

00:17:29.000 I was like, Do we have a clip?

00:17:30.000 Let's roll the clip.

00:17:31.000 Anyway, congratulations.

00:17:32.000 That's why we didn't play that one.

00:17:33.000 That was pretty good.

00:17:33.000 We should have played that one.

00:17:34.000 I figured you guys would be playing it all morning.

00:17:37.000 Listen, we are honored that the vice president is a listener and a watcher.

00:17:42.000 And he really does, by the way.

00:17:43.000 He tells me backstage, he's like, No, I really do.

00:17:45.000 It's like the way he stays somewhat informed on some of our audience and the base and the movement.

00:17:51.000 And a lot of people listen to it for that.

00:17:53.000 I get so many emails from reporters like yourself, Mark, that use it to stay in touch.

00:17:57.000 Yeah.

00:17:58.000 Congratulations.

00:17:59.000 And I'm sorry, real quick, you did a great job yesterday under trying circumstances.

00:18:03.000 Congratulations.

00:18:03.000 Thank you.

00:18:05.000 I was honored to do it.

00:18:06.000 I was very honored to do it.

00:18:07.000 And, you know, I will have to get it framed so my kids believe it happens someday.

00:18:12.000 But it was an honor to do it.

00:18:14.000 And he did a phenomenal job.

00:18:15.000 I thought he answered the questions brilliantly and made some news, actually.

00:18:18.000 So I want to get to the Democrat side of things soon.

00:18:22.000 But I just have to ask this foreign policy issue within our base has always been the most, I guess, the largest struggle.

00:18:32.000 Because the coalition is so fractured on this issue.

00:18:36.000 Iran, we hear now that President Trump is going to be opening the strait permanently and that China had a role to play with it.

00:18:44.000 How big of a deal do you think, just from a political calculation standpoint, is it that we get this wrapped up quickly?

00:18:51.000 Well, I think it's more important from the political side to make it wrap up well rather than quickly.

00:18:56.000 And I think you see in parts of the party, not just the neocons, but people who are supportive of Israel, whether they're neocons or not, who say the president shouldn't take a bad deal.

00:19:06.000 I think the challenge, besides the political clock, is people I talk to who are more expert than I am, no one really knows are the Iranians going to make a good deal from the point of the United States more under pressure?

00:19:19.000 Or under less pressure because the history of the regime, long term, over decades, but also during this war, is they don't like to be backed into a corner.

00:19:29.000 They don't like to look like they're losing.

00:19:31.000 So I think the president would like to end it.

00:19:34.000 I know he would.

00:19:35.000 He tells people regularly he'd like to end it, but he can't end it on terms that are not great for the United States and for Israel and for the world.

00:19:41.000 And so, like I said, I think it's more important in the substance, but also for him politically, it's much more important to end it well than end it quickly.

00:19:50.000 No, I think that's fair.

00:19:52.000 That's basically, listen, I was not super enthusiastic about the Iran strategy.

00:19:58.000 I understand the arguments. 0.51

00:19:59.000 I can get behind it.

00:20:00.000 I can give the president, you know, some patience to do what, I mean, this is why we elected him, right?

00:20:06.000 I think, I don't want to put words in Charlie's mouth, but that's certainly what he said when Operation Midnight Hammer happened, right?

00:20:11.000 That this is why we elected President Trump to make these types of tough decisions.

00:20:14.000 But there's no doubt it's been a challenge from a coalitional standpoint.

00:20:18.000 You've seen that play out in public very much.

00:20:20.000 But I do agree that you've got to do it right.

00:20:22.000 Like, once you can't put that Pace back in the tube, as it were.

00:20:25.000 This war is happening and it's ongoing, and we want it to end well.

00:20:28.000 So I agree with that assessment, Mark Halperin. 0.84

00:20:30.000 I want to get into the Democrat side of the ledger here.

00:20:33.000 Obviously, there's been a ton of news about Swalwell, but it hasn't.

00:20:38.000 I kind of thought this would be the end of the California gubernatorial discussion because we have the jungle primaries.

00:20:44.000 But a new report from CNN this morning says that Gavin Newsom is working the phones because they're still concerned that the Democrat side is too fractured.

00:20:52.000 SOP 14.

00:20:53.000 California's governor, Gavin Newsom, is facing growing pressure now from Top Democrats to help clean up what is the scrambled situation left in the wake of the allegations of sexual misconduct and assault by Eric Swalwell.

00:21:05.000 The whole thing having also rocked the race for California's governor.

00:21:10.000 According to a dozen leading Democrats, Newsom has now been in a marathon of calls and meetings about this race, the race to replace him as he's term limited.

00:21:19.000 With Swalwell out of that race, as well as out of his seat in Congress, there are now seven Democrats in the running and two Republicans.

00:21:27.000 Swalwell had been considered a front runner until the events.

00:21:30.000 And the allegations that surfaced in the past week.

00:21:33.000 And now there are a lot of concerns in what has long been a Democratic led state among Democrats that a fractured race here now could mean Democrats could get locked out given the way that California's elections are set up.

00:21:45.000 So, what do you see happening here?

00:21:48.000 The betting markets favor Tom Steyer, but he's crazy.

00:21:51.000 I mean, he's literally just released a whole.

00:21:53.000 He's starting to just drag ICE agents into prison.

00:21:56.000 His whole immigration plan is to arrest ICE agents.

00:22:00.000 Look, Tom Steyer is logically the most likely person to be the next governor of California now because he's got unlimited money.

00:22:09.000 And that's a factor.

00:22:11.000 And his poll standing is OK.

00:22:13.000 And again, California election is a little bit unusual to everybody runs on one ballot, and then the top two, regardless of party, go in the general election.

00:22:23.000 But there's all sorts of reasons to think that, as my friend Britt Hume likes to say, the dog won't eat the dog food, that no matter how much he spends on TV ads, He's not going to vote for him.

00:22:34.000 And then you've got a math game if you assume the electorate is 35% Republican or 40% Republicans plus independents who might vote for a Republican, and two candidates split that, and then seven candidates split the other 60%, you could see why Democrats are worried that they may not make the runoff.

00:22:53.000 Now, if either of the Republicans gets elected governor, they'll be recalled almost certainly.

00:22:59.000 That process will probably begin right away if both Republicans are the ones who get to the final.

00:23:04.000 Round.

00:23:05.000 So they have a problem unless one of the Democrats catches on.

00:23:09.000 And the view of many Democrats in California, I haven't talked to Governor Newsom about it, but I wouldn't be surprised if the people around him and maybe he thought this as well.

00:23:16.000 Right now, you couldn't bet on any of these Democrats to catch on.

00:23:19.000 People are saying Stire because he's rich.

00:23:21.000 Some of the organizations, the liberal groups who endorsed Swalwell, have switched to Stire, but they're worried.

00:23:28.000 And look, I think Hilton could beat Stire potentially.

00:23:32.000 Most people don't, but I think he could because Stire's got a lot of weaknesses as a candidate.

00:23:37.000 So, Mark, I kind of want to take a long view just because you're experienced and you've seen this play out.

00:23:42.000 So, as we mentioned, Steyer is positioning himself with this pretty radical view on ICE, basically saying he'll declare them like a criminal gang and prosecute federal agents in his state.

00:23:55.000 So, one, do you think if elected, he'll actually do something like that?

00:23:59.000 And two, if he does.

00:24:01.000 How do you foresee that playing out?

00:24:03.000 Because we've seen Democrats sort of faint in that direction during some of the anti ICE sentiment surges.

00:24:09.000 I know Larry Krasner in Philadelphia has talked about it, but no one's really taken the plunge.

00:24:14.000 If they were to do that, what impact do you see having it on the immigration debate and on the country?

00:24:20.000 Yeah. 0.55

00:24:21.000 I know it's fashionable in certain circles around this program to say that Gavin Newsom is a crazy liberal.

00:24:28.000 And on some issues, he's pretty liberal.

00:24:30.000 But Gavin Newsom is Barry Goldwater.

00:24:33.000 Compared to a lot of the Democrats who are in this race, including on some issues, Tom Steyer.

00:24:38.000 And of course, the fashionable thing, the easy thing to do in Democratic politics now is to go to the far left to try to win over the base of the party to get into the final two.

00:24:47.000 Would he be able to enact this stuff?

00:24:49.000 The legislature is very liberal.

00:24:52.000 I don't know what kind of governor he'd be, not just ideologically, but whether he'd be able to get things done.

00:24:56.000 He's a business guy.

00:24:57.000 And although he's run for public office, he's never been in public office.

00:25:01.000 So I suspect that if he did win, he would govern from the left because that would be the Path of least resistance with the legislature.

00:25:09.000 And I think President Trump will have a lot of work to do to deal with a governor besides Gavin Newsom, if it's someone to the far left, for two years and in the state where one in every seven Americans lives.

00:25:21.000 Yeah, I actually agree with your assessment of Gavin Newsom.

00:25:25.000 I met him the one time when Charlie was on his show.

00:25:28.000 And I think Gavin Newsom's too cold blooded to truly be radical, fire breathing left wing.

00:25:34.000 He also likes money and capitalism.

00:25:36.000 And he's kind of, you know, Yes, he's very liberal on, you know, the LGBTQ stuff. 0.62

00:25:42.000 And sometimes, sometimes, yeah, unless he's trying to weather ballooning, you know, the trans issue.

00:25:48.000 But I, I, listen, if he was in a Republican state, I think he's, he's, he's basically would be a right of center kind of guy.

00:25:55.000 I just think that's how he would probably position himself for electoral purposes.

00:26:00.000 So he's, he's kind of one of these guys, sticks his finger up in the air and sees which way the wind's blowing.

00:26:05.000 And he's in California.

00:26:07.000 And I've, I've said this too, Mark.

00:26:08.000 If, If you think Gavin Newsom is bad, which he is, you know, the people coming behind him, it's only going to get worse in California as the base of the Democrat Party gets more and more to the left.

00:26:19.000 All right.

00:26:20.000 So we're not sure how this is going to play out, but your assessment is that the Democrat Party is still too fractured to really guarantee that they don't get locked out of both of the top two spots.

00:26:30.000 So we're going to see some consolidation.

00:26:32.000 I mean, there's pressure on folks to get out.

00:26:34.000 I don't know that they will because it's, you know, kind of a prisoner's dilemma until somebody can make the case that they're the strongest.

00:26:41.000 The others will say, well, why not me?

00:26:43.000 So, right now, I'm not betting on consolidation, but if Governor Newsom gets behind the effort to consolidate and get some of the folks out, I think the chances go up.

00:26:50.000 He's still got sway within the party.

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00:28:03.000 And I just quoted your show, Mark.

00:28:05.000 I don't know if you remember that moment, but Kamala Harris and the Seven Dwarves.

00:28:10.000 Go ahead and throw up this image of the individuals that are suspected to be running for president in 2028 on the Democrat side of the ledger.

00:28:20.000 We've got J.B. Pritzker, who Charlie always used to say was born on third and thought he hit a triple.

00:28:25.000 AOC, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, Wes Moore, of course, Gavin Newsom, Kamala Harris, Pete Buttigieg.

00:28:34.000 Shapiro and Gretchen Whitmer.

00:28:37.000 Is this what he was referring to?

00:28:38.000 And are those the seven dwarves with Kamala? 0.52

00:28:41.000 What's going to happen? 0.65

00:28:42.000 Well, I don't think half those people will end up running, probably, just FYI, or at least so you know my opinion.

00:28:51.000 Right now, everybody's making a lot of assumptions about who's going to run, including her.

00:28:57.000 And although she leaned into a little bit with Al Sharpton, I don't think she crossed any Rubicon.

00:29:02.000 I'm not sure who's going to run.

00:29:04.000 I think that a lot of people.

00:29:06.000 Who are thinking of running are going to think about what it might do to their family, are going to think about the fundraising realities of running, and may take a pass, people who are sort of assumed to be candidates.

00:29:18.000 Harris is a puzzle.

00:29:19.000 Some of my sources say she's the favorite.

00:29:21.000 Some of them think she shouldn't be in the top eight.

00:29:23.000 And that's true of some of the other candidates on this.

00:29:25.000 Pute Buttigieg, I've grown increasingly bullish on his prospects, but I have great sources who say no, he's got no chance.

00:29:32.000 I think the biggest two questions, not about the candidates, and that matters most, but we don't know who's going to run yet.

00:29:38.000 Will the liberal wing of the party, the progressive wing of the party, pick the nominee?

00:29:42.000 I think Bernie Sanders would have been the nominee in 2016 and 2020 if the Democrats hadn't rigged the system against him.

00:29:49.000 How powerful is that wing of the party?

00:29:51.000 And if it is powerful, who's the person?

00:29:53.000 Because right now, the people you showed, really only AOC is of that wing of the party.

00:29:58.000 And then the second question is there's a lot of people in the party who say, given the experience of the last three elections, they should only nominate a white male.

00:30:08.000 Christian person.

00:30:11.000 And there aren't a lot of white male Christian men on that list.

00:30:15.000 I should say person man.

00:30:16.000 Not a woman, not a Jewish person, not a gay person, not a person of color.

00:30:21.000 And they're very few.

00:30:23.000 They're very few even under consideration.

00:30:25.000 So those two questions, I think, are going to be a big part of the framing as we think about who's in contention here.

00:30:33.000 So you say you get wildly different thoughts from different members.

00:30:38.000 What's the basis of that?

00:30:39.000 Like, so for example, let's say they did run.

00:30:41.000 And let's say Andy Bashir did make a serious run.

00:30:44.000 Yeah.

00:30:45.000 Do you think he could get it, or do they think that there's just so many people in the party who are innately hostile to that?

00:30:51.000 Like, would he run into problems because he's in that demographic and they've kind of psyched people up to not like them for so long?

00:30:59.000 Yeah.

00:31:00.000 My sources are less concerned about his chances regarding demography or even issue positions than the question of whether he's a major league player.

00:31:09.000 The sophisticated people in the party, the consultants, the donors, the electeds, a lot of them wonder.

00:31:15.000 Whether the governor of Kentucky is really major league as compared to very strong double A ball.

00:31:20.000 So that's a concern that I think in his case dwarfs the question of whether the party doesn't want a white man or whether he's too moderate on some issues.

00:31:31.000 He's pretty liberal on a lot of issues.

00:31:33.000 Yeah.

00:31:34.000 So I've heard from some folks that they're not going to let another woman run, the establishment of the party will not allow it to happen.

00:31:45.000 Do you feel that the establishment of the party apparatus in the Democrat Party retains that sort of strength, that sort of oomph?

00:31:52.000 I mean, we're past the Clintons, we're past the Obamas.

00:31:55.000 Can they control this?

00:31:57.000 They have some control, but not total.

00:31:58.000 But I would say that the sentiment you expressed is not just about the establishment.

00:32:02.000 I talked to grassroots Democrats, including women of color, who say, no more messing around.

00:32:08.000 Like, we wish America would vote for anybody, but we're not going to pick a Jewish person, a gay person, a female, or a person of color.

00:32:17.000 That's not 100% universal, but it's a very popular view expressed to me, again, not just by the establishment, because of the realities of the sample space that they see.

00:32:27.000 And they just say, why not run a white Christian straight man and see what happens?

00:32:34.000 Hmm. 0.69

00:32:35.000 It's fascinating.

00:32:36.000 I'm so glad.

00:32:37.000 Honestly, I'm so glad that I don't even have to really think that hard about this.

00:32:40.000 What occurs to me is we talk about what the establishment would do, yet, if I think of when I think of the Democrats, what I think of is their tendency to sort of have contagious groupthink.

00:32:53.000 Yeah.

00:32:54.000 To use an example from our perspective, it's when, for example, abolish the police suddenly became a thing that they would all repeat because it bubbled up from the bottom.

00:33:02.000 And I just wonder we talk about, oh, can the establishment.

00:33:06.000 Force this or prevent this.

00:33:08.000 And yet, so much of what they do, it just seems almost subject to chance based on what catches fire with their base.

00:33:15.000 Do you agree with that?

00:33:16.000 I do.

00:33:17.000 I do.

00:33:18.000 You know, everything you said is true, and everything you said is correctable for the most part if they find some great candidate, some really charismatic candidate who can weave the party together, the way Bill Clinton did, even though he ran on a lot of conservative things.

00:33:33.000 You guys are too young to probably feel the full resonance of this, but when he ran for president in 1992, He supported the death penalty.

00:33:39.000 He supported right to work laws.

00:33:41.000 He supported free trade.

00:33:42.000 He supported welfare reform.

00:33:45.000 These were positions that are just so out of step with the dominant wing of the Democratic Party.

00:33:50.000 And yet he was able to do that and still win the support of a lot of progressives who disagreed with him on those issues, but saw him as someone who could win.

00:33:57.000 That's the model.

00:33:58.000 That's what people like Rahm Emanuel are talking about.

00:34:02.000 But it's a challenge because you got to be pretty sophisticated and skilled politically to pull that off.

00:34:08.000 You mentioned Rahm Emanuel.

00:34:09.000 I think he's kind of a dark horse candidate here, who's somebody who he's a Republican.

00:34:14.000 Every Republican does.

00:34:17.000 Maybe because he's a little bit more on the conservative side, I guess.

00:34:19.000 I mean, a little bit, right? 0.50

00:34:21.000 He's got the Obama stink on him.

00:34:22.000 But at the same time, he's been one of those few voices that has been willing to call out the radical base and say, we got crazy here. 0.97

00:34:28.000 He leans into the stink.

00:34:30.000 He's the one who mailed the dead fish to somebody once, didn't he?

00:34:33.000 I mean, Rahm Emanuel.

00:34:35.000 Who are we?

00:34:36.000 So I'll sum it up like this, Mark.

00:34:37.000 Who are we missing on that image that I showed you?

00:34:39.000 We could throw it back up if you want.

00:34:41.000 Who do you expect to be added to this list?

00:34:45.000 Who do you think is going to fall off from that list?

00:34:48.000 Whitmer and Moore and AOC, I don't think will run in the end.

00:34:55.000 I think Rahm Emanuel will definitely run.

00:34:57.000 Again, my sources are divided.

00:34:59.000 Some say no chance, some say very good chance.

00:35:03.000 And I think that Senator Kelly, I think, is more likely to run than some of those folks.

00:35:13.000 But it's a very weak field.

00:35:15.000 It's very hard to handicap because such a weak field.

00:35:18.000 I think right now, Newsom and Shapiro are head and shoulders above the rest.

00:35:21.000 I do a monthly eight for 28, the most likely nominees, and I've had them, Shapiro two and Newsom one, every month.

00:35:28.000 And that won't change unless somebody proves that they can build an aircraft carrier and really, really be in the mix.

00:35:33.000 Mark, what about a random idea here?

00:35:36.000 Is any chance Mark Cuban?

00:35:38.000 You heard that?

00:35:39.000 No.

00:35:40.000 Oh, I hear it all the time.

00:35:43.000 This notion that someone can walk in with no political experience just because Donald Trump did, I just don't buy.

00:35:48.000 It's very hard to navigate.

00:35:49.000 I think it's harder on the left, too, by the way.

00:35:50.000 I think it's just the party apparatus is such that it's harder on the left.

00:35:54.000 Mark Halperin, great stuff.

00:35:55.000 This is our first time.

00:35:56.000 Gentlemen, good to see you both.

00:35:57.000 Thank you for hosting me.

00:35:58.000 Looking forward to the Democrat slate.

00:35:59.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:36:00.000 So thank you for helping us navigate it.

00:36:02.000 Definitely.

00:36:02.000 We'll see you next time.

00:36:02.000 Have a great day.

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00:37:28.000 Alex, thanks for joining us today.

00:37:30.000 There's actually so much news to get into, but I was inspired by my conversation with Vice President JD Vance yesterday at the University of Georgia, and he started lauding the administration's achievements on legal immigration.

00:37:44.000 I love the way this whole thing became a story.

00:37:47.000 It started with a gentleman named David Beer.

00:37:50.000 From the Cato Institute that published the collapse of immigration report, that he was warning the world, you don't know how bad it is.

00:37:58.000 President Trump and the Trump administration has cut legal immigration, and you guys need to be aware of it.

00:38:04.000 And I think a lot of people in our audience were like, you know, slow clapping, like, wow, okay, you know, this is what we voted for, Alex.

00:38:11.000 I'll get into the, you know, specifics of the report in just a second, but what is your impression of Cato's report on legal immigration?

00:38:19.000 Yeah, first of all, so Cato is a libertarian economic.

00:38:22.000 Think tank.

00:38:23.000 And they're very well funded, very well capitalized.

00:38:26.000 And they're pointing this out as a warning.

00:38:28.000 They're very pro open borders, legal immigration.

00:38:31.000 They think that America basically is nothing without importing much of the whole third world and first world and second world, however many people we can get in here. 0.98

00:38:39.000 That's their general philosophy.

00:38:40.000 And I think they tell you that to their face, to your face.

00:38:43.000 So this is a warning.

00:38:44.000 And I think that this is essential to Vice President Vance's narrative and his rise, and why we at Breitbart were very interested in the stuff he had to say. 0.98

00:38:52.000 Back when he was a mere author and not even a senator yet, this is part of the general appeal understanding that when you're importing a bunch of people from around the world, it doesn't necessarily make life better for Americans.

00:39:04.000 And America's government is obliged to be America first, supposed to think of Americans first, and importing the entire planet.

00:39:11.000 We can't take care of the whole planet.

00:39:12.000 It's just not realistic.

00:39:14.000 Maybe some pie in the sky appeal to whatever is in your heart, maybe you would want to help as many people as you can, but we can't have them all here.

00:39:23.000 It's not realistic.

00:39:24.000 It's never going to work.

00:39:25.000 It also is really negative on our culture.

00:39:27.000 We do have a culture.

00:39:28.000 We have a homeland.

00:39:29.000 We are a people.

00:39:30.000 We have things that are worth preserving.

00:39:31.000 You can't do that when you import too many people recklessly.

00:39:34.000 And that has been the policy of every Republican and Democrat administration this century, aside from Donald Trump's.

00:39:40.000 And so now we're seeing legal asylum entries down 99.9%.

00:39:44.000 We're seeing refugee admission down 90%.

00:39:47.000 We're seeing K visas, which is fiance and spouse visas, down 65%, student visas down 40%, and H 1B visas sharply reduced.

00:39:56.000 All this is due to the huge fee to be able to get some of these things. 0.98

00:40:00.000 This is amazing news for Americans.

00:40:01.000 It's going to raise our wages.

00:40:02.000 It's going to drive down the price of housing.

00:40:04.000 It's a big positive, and hopefully, the best is yet to come here. 0.99

00:40:07.000 Yeah, well, listen, that H1B.

00:40:10.000 Line really caught the internet by surprise, I would say, because there's been so much chatter, especially with our students at Turning Point all across the country.

00:40:20.000 You ask them what they're worried about, they're worried about foreigners taking their jobs.

00:40:22.000 They hate H 1B.

00:40:24.000 So the Trump administration slaps a $100,000 basically tax on any new H 1Bs.

00:40:30.000 New H 1B visa issuances down 90%.

00:40:37.000 90%.

00:40:37.000 Amazing.

00:40:38.000 Huge, huge win.

00:40:39.000 And you mentioned some of the other ones, though.

00:40:41.000 Students from 40 countries are now outright banned.

00:40:44.000 From studying in the United States.

00:40:45.000 That should have happened a long time ago.

00:40:47.000 Visa for international students down 40%.

00:40:49.000 Why that's a huge deal, by the way?

00:40:51.000 That funds directly a lot of the woke universities in this country.

00:40:55.000 That pays their bills. 1.00

00:40:57.000 That's why we have so many foreigners, because they pay full freight. 1.00

00:41:00.000 You are starving the Leviathan as we sit here today. 1.00

00:41:05.000 It's happening in real time.

00:41:06.000 Huge, huge.

00:41:07.000 I know you're passionate about this.

00:41:08.000 I want to let Blake get in.

00:41:09.000 But this was like music to our ears.

00:41:12.000 Go ahead.

00:41:12.000 No, I mean, it's incredible.

00:41:14.000 And I think about.

00:41:15.000 Not even just the direct measures.

00:41:17.000 It's that you can see, it's like we talk about the vibe shift in America against it, but you're actually driving a vibe shift in other countries.

00:41:24.000 And this matters a lot.

00:41:25.000 For example, it was actually easy to claim asylum at the border for quite a long time.

00:41:30.000 But what really mattered is when Biden came in office and when TikTok became popular, it's like the word instantly spread around the world.

00:41:38.000 If you show up and you do XYZ thing, you will get in.

00:41:41.000 And it just started a giant engine of itself where we went, I remember one of the countries, Mauritania, the country where slavery is still legal, basically.

00:41:50.000 They went from 10,000 of them in the US to 50,000 in about two years.

00:41:55.000 And they were all going to a town in Ohio because there's just a guide on TikTok.

00:41:58.000 Now we're seeing the reversal of that.

00:42:00.000 The word is getting out.

00:42:01.000 America's tough to get into.

00:42:03.000 They're rejecting everything.

00:42:05.000 It's really hard.

00:42:06.000 And we're going to see people turn to other places.

00:42:09.000 They're going to turn to other paths.

00:42:11.000 So, like, even these measures of the actual number of people is not capturing that, that we're getting the message out. 0.99

00:42:17.000 Don't come to America. 0.88

00:42:18.000 The juice isn't worth the squeeze.

00:42:20.000 Well, I love this too, Alex.

00:42:21.000 Check this out.

00:42:22.000 Throw this tweet up from David J. Beer.

00:42:24.000 From Cato, he goes, and he was responding to a clip from our event last night where, you know, Vice President Vance is quoting some of this Cato research.

00:42:33.000 He goes, he clearly read my research.

00:42:35.000 Trump and Vance are bragging about how anti legal immigration they are.

00:42:39.000 Embarrassing.

00:42:40.000 Very few Americans agree and gives lie to their whole agenda.

00:42:44.000 No, no, no, no.

00:42:46.000 We agree and we like it.

00:42:48.000 We are totally all on board.

00:42:50.000 And I keep saying this to anybody who'll listen, Alex.

00:42:53.000 This is a midterm election, 2026.

00:42:55.000 What is a midterm election?

00:42:56.000 It's a turnout election.

00:42:58.000 You will not get your base to turn out for you if you don't give them stuff that they really want.

00:43:02.000 What does our base really want?

00:43:04.000 We want mass deportations and we want the end of the legal invasion of our country. 0.60

00:43:09.000 When we poll this stuff at our events, immigration moratorium, it's one of the most popular things you can poll amongst the base. 0.93

00:43:16.000 Yeah, it's great.

00:43:17.000 You guys, I love that you guys are on this because it's so big for so many reasons.

00:43:20.000 First of all, starving universities is huge. 1.00

00:43:22.000 And even if you're a person who wants to go to an expensive university, part of the reason it's so expensive is because there are so many foreigners who can pay full freight. 1.00

00:43:30.000 And some of them might be Chinese. 1.00

00:43:31.000 They might take their know how back to their country and just use it against us in the long run. 1.00

00:43:37.000 Others might just basically waste a bunch of time for everyone and drive up your wages.

00:43:43.000 But I always think of it in terms of my children.

00:43:45.000 Andrew, you got a bunch of children.

00:43:46.000 Blake, hopefully one day you'll have a bunch of children.

00:43:48.000 He's going to have a bunch of children.

00:43:50.000 The idea that, I am going to pay, you know, six figures a year in taxes in the system for decades.

00:43:55.000 And then my kids are going to get educated.

00:43:57.000 And then they're going to get into the working world.

00:43:59.000 And then someone who has never been here, who has no roots here, who's not part of American culture, is not part of American heritage, is just going to take a job from one of my kids because they're willing to do it for 11% less.

00:44:11.000 Is so insane to me as a parent.

00:44:13.000 And yet, this is exactly how we've run our country for the last several decades.

00:44:16.000 And I think people need to understand that that's not acceptable.

00:44:19.000 I'm going to show these images.

00:44:20.000 It's well said, Alex.

00:44:22.000 These are from our.

00:44:24.000 Amfest straw poll, if you show them, it was a would you support a net zero immigration moratorium?

00:44:31.000 90% yes, 11% no.

00:44:33.000 All right.

00:44:34.000 And would you, you know, and then we did it again.

00:44:37.000 Would you support an immigration moratorium into the United States?

00:44:41.000 And again, 90% yes, slightly ticked up 0.5%.

00:44:45.000 So this is something that's held for a long time now, you know, so it shouldn't be surprising.

00:44:51.000 And I do one last thing and then we're going to take a quick break more with Alex Marlowe on the other side of it.

00:44:56.000 But a news story out of the DHS confirmed this this morning.

00:45:00.000 DHS employee murdered while walking her dog by a criminal immigrant who was naturalized under Joe Biden.

00:45:08.000 And this is a gentleman that is actually a British national who was naturalized under Joe Biden. 0.54

00:45:15.000 It doesn't look like the British men our fathers knew, but his name was Ola Lukitan Adon Abel.

00:45:24.000 Yeah, I remember that name signing the Magna Carta.

00:45:27.000 Star Wars names.

00:45:28.000 So that is a tragedy, another unnecessary American death that unfortunately we have to live through because Joe Biden just opened the borders.

00:45:37.000 And so remember that when you hear all this infighting.

00:45:39.000 What are we really fighting for?

00:45:41.000 We don't want our country invaded again.

00:45:43.000 All right, we're going to talk about something that I think is important to talk about because I think some people in this audience maybe aren't, I mean, they're aware of it broadly, but maybe not as intimately as we are working with students on campus.

00:45:56.000 And that is support for Israel.

00:45:58.000 Harry Enton from CNN did a whole rundown of just how the numbers have collapsed really since 2022, right?

00:46:05.000 Remember, we had October 7th, 2023, and it's off a cliff, Alex.

00:46:10.000 So let's play the clip and we'll get your reaction on the other side.

00:46:13.000 Sot 16. 0.84

00:46:14.000 Israel's U.S. popularity problem.

00:46:17.000 Israel is losing support here in the United States, even amongst Republicans.

00:46:21.000 Take a look at this data.

00:46:23.000 Take a look at this data amongst young Republicans.

00:46:25.000 Look at this massive shift that we have had over just the last four years.

00:46:29.000 The net favorability of Israel among Republicans under the age of 50.

00:46:33.000 You go back to 2022, two thumbs up, two thumbs up for Israel amongst young Republicans.

00:46:38.000 But by 2025, look at this already a 30 point shift away, their net favorability down to minus two.

00:46:44.000 Today, look at this minus 16 points.

00:46:47.000 That's an over 40 point shift in just one, two, three, four years' time away from Israel amongst young Republicans.

00:46:57.000 And he continues on, it's about a four or five minute clip, but he kind of goes through every age cohort and he goes through every.

00:47:03.000 The different party affiliations, and it's down across the board.

00:47:06.000 I think collapse is a fair word here.

00:47:10.000 What do you ascribe as the reason here?

00:47:13.000 But also, what are the political ramifications?

00:47:15.000 Yeah, it's interesting.

00:47:15.000 It's a big political realignment that's taking place.

00:47:18.000 And I think a lot of this has to do with just terrible PR for Israel.

00:47:22.000 Israel is really almost no major spokespeople, I think, who are particularly reaching younger people who are pro Israel, who are making a convincing case that Israel is a unique beacon of hope in a region. 0.98

00:47:34.000 Full of Islamist insanity, which is how I regard it. 0.97

00:47:36.000 But there's very few people speaking to younger people about that. 1.00

00:47:39.000 I know this was one of Charlie's critiques of Israel.

00:47:42.000 I think maybe his main critique of Israel is he found himself having to defend positions that Israel held that weren't ones he necessarily agreed with because they weren't really doing a capable job of defending themselves.

00:47:53.000 And I think there's a lot of people who are messaging to younger people in the podcasting space, in the online space, who are very much pro Israel, very much anti Israel to various degrees.

00:48:03.000 And I don't really know what alternative is being presented to these younger people.

00:48:07.000 And for people who are older, I think a lot of people feel as though Israel maybe is a good country in the scheme of countries, but they don't really want to see American blood and treasure spilt on Israel's behalf.

00:48:18.000 And that's a deep concern that if a world war breaks out, a lot of people assume that Israel is going to be a part of the discussion.

00:48:24.000 So I'm a pro Israel person.

00:48:25.000 I like Israel.

00:48:26.000 I don't love seeing these numbers, but I completely understand it given that media layout.

00:48:30.000 Yeah, and as you said, we talked a lot with Charlie about this.

00:48:34.000 This was a big concern of his trying to get the synthesis that he knew there was skepticism rising, but you want to be able to understand where it's coming from without letting it spiral off into the bad, dark alleys that it often goes into.

00:48:49.000 And I remember I was discussing ways that it could be fixed.

00:48:52.000 And what I will admit to having trouble with is it seems much harder to fix now than it even was two months ago.

00:49:00.000 I think there was a lot of skepticism, but.

00:49:01.000 That number you saw at 2025, it was about neutral, and then it's really bad just this spring.

00:49:07.000 Let's be frank, it's the Iran conflict has really driven young people in a negative direction.

00:49:14.000 So it's gone in a bad direction.

00:49:16.000 How do we arrest that decline?

00:49:19.000 Because we don't want the right to be this insane anti Semite conspiracy theory party, which there are people who would love to take it in that direction.

00:49:27.000 Yeah, short term and long term, I think the short term things is first of all, Trump has to decisively win the Iran war, move on, and then also sell to the American people why he fought it to begin with, which I think is becoming very clear.

00:49:40.000 Vice President Vance was crystal with you guys yesterday at the event. 0.52

00:49:43.000 It's about nuclear weapons.

00:49:44.000 And it really kind of took people about seven weeks to figure out it really was always just about nukes.

00:49:49.000 Trump had drawn a red line over a year ago.

00:49:51.000 They were not going to pursue nuclear weapons or else he was going to bomb them. 0.73

00:49:54.000 It's really crystal clear, looking back, hindsight being 2020 as it is, that Trump was always going to bomb Iran so long as they kept pursuing nuclear weapons. 0.88

00:50:02.000 People should know that. 0.88

00:50:03.000 And if we can get this boom that could potentially happen from ships going to get oil from the United States of America instead of being hooked on Iranian oil, he could have a really major victory here. 0.93

00:50:13.000 And if he can tell that story, I do think that actually helps the cause of Israel because as of now, people feel like there's this perception that Israel dragged us into a stupid war.

00:50:22.000 And that is very hard to push back against at the moment. 0.74

00:50:26.000 I think that can change.

00:50:27.000 I think also a lot of the most fervent anti Israel voices out there are gradually losing their credibility with certain audiences.

00:50:36.000 I don't know about younger audiences, maybe not there, but maybe so there.

00:50:40.000 And I think that that's important a lot of the biggest anti Israel spokespeople are lighting themselves on fire in a public way lately.

00:50:47.000 I think over time that's going to make a difference as well.

00:50:50.000 But Israel doesn't have to figure out how to message in a way that doesn't alienate huge groups of people.

00:50:54.000 And I say this as someone who would like to see Israel succeed.

00:50:57.000 They're doing a really bad job at that.

00:50:59.000 And that probably should change if they want better approval in America.

00:51:02.000 You know, it's interesting, Alex.

00:51:03.000 I had a conversation with somebody this morning that's like a very fervent supporter of Israel, at least historically.

00:51:10.000 And he made a comment to me that kind of took me aback.

00:51:13.000 He said, You know, even I'm getting a little like on edge about it because, you know, there is this perception that, you know, it's like we like them, but we like America more.

00:51:25.000 And we want to make sure that our interests are being put in front of our own.

00:51:30.000 And he was like, You know, I can only help you so much here, Israel, like, you know, if you don't help yourself. 0.77

00:51:36.000 And you got to stop bombing Hezbollah. 0.92

00:51:38.000 You got to stop the Iran stuff.

00:51:40.000 You got to just, like, this has to be behind us or this is only going to get worse.

00:51:43.000 And he was even at.

00:51:45.000 He was tired, tired of trying to defend.

00:51:47.000 And I was surprised because he's been so fervent.

00:51:49.000 And I think that was really telling.

00:51:50.000 Yeah, I think it is. 1.00

00:51:51.000 And the Lebanon example is a perfect example. 0.99

00:51:53.000 If you want to go deep in the history, this is an age old territorial beef. 0.82

00:51:57.000 Israel has got claims to regions of Lebanon that are unrealized.

00:52:01.000 And Hezbollah, which is an Iran funded terror proxy, is in the region and strategically places a lot of their resources, their personnel, their terror weaponry in civilian areas, specifically because if Israel attacks them, they can then manipulate the news cycle as they do. 0.82

00:52:16.000 And they do it effectively. 0.90

00:52:17.000 But who cares?

00:52:19.000 Israel should not be bombing Lebanon right now. 1.00

00:52:21.000 It's terrible for Israel's own cause because they're killing Christians.

00:52:24.000 They're killing people who are very sympathetic in the world media.

00:52:28.000 And them choosing to do that right now when we're trying to get a ceasefire in the region, I think only hurts them long term.

00:52:33.000 They would say we're just getting it in now because we hate them. 0.98

00:52:36.000 They're terrorists. 0.99

00:52:37.000 Fine. 0.96

00:52:37.000 But the optics are horrible. 0.96

00:52:38.000 And they should recognize that if they want support.

00:52:41.000 Yeah.

00:52:41.000 I think that was really well said, Alex.

00:52:43.000 I totally agree.

00:52:44.000 It feels opportunist, right?

00:52:47.000 They're piggybacking off of this larger regional conflict.

00:52:50.000 And so why not just get it done?

00:52:52.000 Rip the band aid, but it's really rubbing a lot of people the wrong way.

00:52:55.000 It doesn't look good.

00:52:57.000 Especially the folks that, you know, want to support them.

00:53:00.000 They're like, what am I supposed to do here when you're taking advantage of the situation?

00:53:04.000 And I understand, listen, they're on a border with a group of terrorists.

00:53:09.000 There are rational explanations for this, but optically, it just seems like there's been a lack of appreciation of what the appearance is in America, across the West.

00:53:19.000 And I think it's been really destructive overall, unfortunately.

00:53:22.000 But, I'm told we're on the precipice of breakthrough here.

00:53:26.000 Let's hope in the next 10 days we get this all wrapped up. 1.00

00:53:28.000 It's time to get out of the Middle East, it's time to get this done and behind us. 1.00

00:53:33.000 Let's pray it happens sooner than not. 1.00

00:53:34.000 Alex Marlowe, thank you so much.

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00:54:56.000 All right, I'm going to welcome now to the show Jan Ukelik, who is the senior editor of Epic Times and the author of the brand new book, Killed to Order.

00:55:06.000 Jan, good to see you again, my friend.

00:55:08.000 It's great to see you.

00:55:10.000 Yeah, thank you for making the time for us today.

00:55:12.000 You've written a book, it's Killed to Order.

00:55:14.000 I think we have the graphic that we can throw up here.

00:55:18.000 And I know the CCP, China, is a special interest of yours, and you've done this about organ harvesting, which is horrifying.

00:55:27.000 And we're going to get into that, but there's also these geopolitical connections with what's going on in Iran, with China.

00:55:34.000 President Trump just truthed about it this morning.

00:55:36.000 So we're going to get at all of this because it's connected.

00:55:39.000 But tell us about your book.

00:55:40.000 Why did you write it and why now?

00:55:42.000 Well, it's deeply connected, in fact.

00:55:44.000 And one of the punchlines in the book actually is that the Chinese Communist Party instrumentalizes absolutely everything, including human bodies in the context of killed to order for profit, for elite longevity. 0.76

00:55:59.000 And also for the elimination of entire groups of people. 0.87

00:56:02.000 But it also instrumentalizes Iran, for example, right? 0.94

00:56:06.000 It's been a premier tool for keeping America's gaze away from Communist China, the true biggest adversary, right? 0.92

00:56:14.000 That's the subtitle of my book, The True Nature of America's Biggest Adversary. 0.89

00:56:17.000 And instead focused on all these non state actors that Iran has funded and Iran itself over in the Middle East.

00:56:24.000 But so part of why I wrote the book was to expose this very unique, Next level organ trafficking, which frankly, most people or many people didn't even want to believe was real for many years.

00:56:36.000 And still, there's some out there that don't. 0.70

00:56:39.000 But also, how this horrible industry, this atrocity, is actually a perfect lens into understanding how communist China works, even in the geopolitical context. 0.69

00:56:48.000 Yeah, I mean, it's a pretty devastating thing to understand that there is organ harvesting. 0.76

00:56:56.000 I mean, we hear about it in South America, Brazil, you hear these kind of one off stories. 0.95

00:57:01.000 But to understand that it's so intricately woven into this deep, dark, seedy underbelly of the CCP and the Chinese culture is really telling about the nature of a culture. 0.92

00:57:13.000 I mean, if you're letting this happen, if you're institutionalizing, if you're enabling it in some way, that's a dark thing. 0.98

00:57:19.000 I mean, so how widespread is it?

00:57:21.000 How much is this happening?

00:57:22.000 Who's behind it?

00:57:22.000 Who's getting their organs harvested, Jan?

00:57:25.000 I have a billion questions if you didn't notice.

00:57:27.000 Well, absolutely.

00:57:29.000 And let me just kind of explain how it works.

00:57:31.000 And it takes a moment because there are a few different parts, right?

00:57:34.000 In China, we actually have a state actor that's different than any other.

00:57:38.000 That's actually running it.

00:57:39.000 It's not a black market exactly. 0.96

00:57:41.000 Maybe you could call it a gray market because really only the super elites have access to it. 0.85

00:57:46.000 But it's something that we have a system that's able to push massive dehumanizing propaganda through a population, through the entire Chinese population. 0.77

00:57:56.000 They spent years destroying the traditional culture and implementing communist culture, as you pointed out, right? 0.84

00:58:02.000 And also, they have the ability to incarcerate it through public security.

00:58:06.000 Massive groups of people, right?

00:58:08.000 And so, why is this relevant? 0.99

00:58:10.000 Because this is what you need to get killed to order, okay?

00:58:13.000 In an ethical transplant situation, someone needs to have a catastrophic accident, typically a car or motorcycle accident.

00:58:20.000 They also need to basically be able to have the right type of blood and tissue, matching blood and tissue, because our bodies reject things that aren't kind of quite compatible enough.

00:58:32.000 And that's in addition to these drugs that they use to basically prevent rejection.

00:58:36.000 Also, size has to match.

00:58:38.000 The point is, it's very rare.

00:58:39.000 But there was a whistleblower that basically, this is back in 2005, 2006, that told his transplant surgeon, or at least the transplant surgeon was the whistleblower, but the patient told the transplant surgeon, I'm tired of waiting, I'm desperate, I've got it arranged in China, and I've got it arranged in two weeks.

00:58:56.000 Okay, and that's nuts because, first of all, you're arranging that catastrophic accident.

00:59:01.000 It means that someone's being killed.

00:59:03.000 But the other part is, how do you get the two weeks, even though you have to match all these variables? 0.73

00:59:08.000 Well, so back in 99, to answer your other question, right, there was a group called Falun Gong, which basically the Chinese Communist Party, with its history of creating what are called black classes, these are groups it's looking to get rid of, like the landowners in the early days.

00:59:22.000 It created its newest black class, which was the Falun Gong practitioners in 1999, people practicing truthfulness, compassion, and forbearance.

00:59:31.000 Very grassroots, very bottom up, no hierarchy, no worship, but a deep spirituality.

00:59:36.000 Okay.

00:59:37.000 And 70 to 100 million, more than the Communist Party in that year, right?

00:59:41.000 So, what happened was they basically pushed this dehumanizing propaganda.

00:59:45.000 As soon as the dictator at the time decided to make it a black class, they dehumanized them massively, kind of talking points straight out of Germany in the 30s, that kind of thing.

00:59:56.000 Okay.

00:59:56.000 And then, when these people wouldn't break easily, when they were pushed into the communist struggle system, kind of to break them, to get them to give up what they were doing.

01:00:04.000 They incarcerated a million plus, we don't know exactly how many, but a huge number of people.

01:00:09.000 Then they blood type them, tissue type them, and organ scan them ahead of time, create a database.

01:00:14.000 And now, when that person pays 100 or 200 grand as a transplant tourist, okay, they're basically pre matched to someone that's already in a database, an innocent prisoner of conscience.

01:00:14.000 Okay.

01:00:26.000 And then that person is shipped and killed to order.

01:00:28.000 This is the kind of thing we're talking about, right?

01:00:30.000 It's a very extreme form of organ trafficking.

01:00:33.000 And when no one did anything about it for, 14 or 15 years, okay, they added another group, the Uyghur Muslims in the northwest of China, dehumanized them, incarcerated massive groups of them.

01:00:44.000 That's what we're talking about.

01:00:46.000 Wow.

01:00:46.000 So you're saying the Falun Gong, there's a million or some, around about, there's estimates that that high are incarcerated in China?

01:00:54.000 Because everybody talks about the Uyghur, the Uyghur Muslims.

01:00:56.000 So I just didn't realize it was that extensive.

01:00:59.000 We don't know the exact numbers today, to be perfectly honest, because every time we did research and reporting on this, they would basically close down the various ways that we were getting data.

01:01:08.000 But in 2005, the State Department in China's massive incarceration system, we're talking about labor camps, black jails, prisons, re education through labor camps, labor camps, all of it, right?

01:01:20.000 Half of the people in that system were Falun Gong practitioners, okay, across a country of 1.3 billion, okay?

01:01:28.000 So a massive amount of people.

01:01:30.000 We don't know the exact numbers.

01:01:32.000 All of this stuff is a state secret.

01:01:34.000 But to get killed to order, right, it clearly needs to be a very large number.

01:01:38.000 We have better estimates of the exact numbers in Xinjiang.

01:01:42.000 Because it's a very localized area.

01:01:44.000 And for a while, we were able to kind of scrape information from there that was very harder, much harder to get from across the entire country.

01:01:51.000 Wow.

01:01:53.000 Okay, so this is the nature of the CCP that we're dealing with.

01:01:55.000 They just incarcerate entire groups of people and then they use them as they will.

01:02:01.000 And part of that is organ harvesting, which is terrible.

01:02:04.000 Now, President Trump has a trip coming up.

01:02:06.000 He's going to be meeting with President Xi in China.

01:02:09.000 The backdrop of this, of course, is Iran.

01:02:11.000 And this morning we learned that President Trump is going to, quote unquote, permanently open the Strait of Hormuz. 0.65

01:02:17.000 Apparently, Xi and the CCP have been asking for this.

01:02:21.000 He said he's going to get a bear hug from Xi.

01:02:25.000 Explain this dynamic between China and Iran.

01:02:29.000 I guess it also comes with that China has agreed to stop selling arms to Iran.

01:02:34.000 So, explain this whole geopolitical dynamic that exists there.

01:02:37.000 Well, there's a whole bunch of things in this, okay?

01:02:40.000 First of all, you know, a promise from communist China isn't worth the paper it's written on or the airwaves that it's being pushed through, okay? 0.53

01:02:48.000 And we have, you know, 40 years of evidence about that. 0.55

01:02:52.000 The president is playing a very interesting game here because. 0.94

01:02:57.000 I believe the president actually does understand the nature of America's biggest adversary, meaning that the Chinese Communist Party is willing to almost do anything, right? 0.97

01:03:07.000 It's ready to do kill to order to its own people. 0.97

01:03:10.000 How is it treating us?

01:03:12.000 And unfortunately, over decades, they've been able to develop a ton of leverage against us.

01:03:17.000 Now, Strait of Hormuz is a huge piece of leverage for the president, of course, because 90% of the oil coming from Iran was actually being purchased by communist China. 0.51

01:03:27.000 They're basically the funder of the regime, right?

01:03:29.000 And it's been an incredibly useful tool as a distraction from looking at communist China for the regime, right?

01:03:36.000 And now, with basically the Iranian tankers no longer being able to take that oil out, that reduces the Chinese regime's ability to get that oil.

01:03:46.000 So he's basically using this leverage to create, I think, more beneficial negotiating tactics.

01:03:52.000 I'm not clear on exactly what permanently opening the strait exactly means.

01:03:56.000 I think it means on US terms and not on Iranian terms. 0.91

01:04:01.000 And again, I would be very, very careful about trusting any information from communist China because they're always trying to find ways of doing things with the so called plausible deniability, right? 0.77

01:04:12.000 We're not going to supply weapons, but we'll supply chemicals, which may be our dual use. 0.81

01:04:16.000 We had reports on that in the past while, right?

01:04:20.000 Chemicals to run the ballistic missiles and so forth.

01:04:23.000 So we have to watch like hawks on this kind of deal.

01:04:27.000 Jan, you like to expose how China is playing this long game with the United States.

01:04:32.000 They see us as the main impediment to their sort of global power.

01:04:35.000 Apparatus, and you say that.

01:04:39.000 China wants us to be distracted. 0.96

01:04:41.000 They want us to be distracted in Iran. 0.81

01:04:42.000 They want us to be distracted in Venezuela. 0.51

01:04:44.000 They want us to be distracted wherever.

01:04:46.000 But aren't we also in these distractions?

01:04:49.000 I'll be fully honest.

01:04:50.000 I was not a huge proponent of going to war in Iran. 0.91

01:04:53.000 I want it finished well and successfully since we've done it. 0.94

01:04:53.000 I want it done right. 0.94

01:04:57.000 But you could make the argument in President Trump's defense that by doing this, you're taking chess pieces off the board that China relied upon.

01:05:06.000 So isn't this also, yeah, maybe we're distracted and we're not totally focused on the main adversary, which is China, but aren't we also really?

01:05:13.000 Playing our cards well against them to take these power centers, these nodes of influence off the chessboard.

01:05:20.000 A hundred percent.

01:05:21.000 And in fact, you know, when I look at this, I always look at it from the geopolitical perspective.

01:05:27.000 And, you know, Venezuela was, you know, again, you want to talk about a centerpiece of a chessboard. 0.88

01:05:33.000 That was Venezuela, you know, this kind of narco terror hub, right? 0.79

01:05:38.000 Basically supported by Cuba, you know, arguably brought into power by Cuba.

01:05:42.000 You know, communist societies, they don't really work ultimately independently, right?

01:05:48.000 China is a massive backer of communist Cuba as well.

01:05:53.000 And so, by what happened in Venezuela, you know, kind of against all odds, I don't think anyone was expecting that. 0.96

01:05:59.000 That's putting a serious chink into China's ambitions in that region, basically to further create instability and create, again, that distraction in the South, right? 0.97

01:06:09.000 So, this is this implementation of the newly named Dunro, the Dunro Doctrine, right? 0.98

01:06:14.000 I see Iran as being part, from the geopolitical perspective, very much a similar part of a move that's very similar in nature.

01:06:23.000 But the key part, and I think, you know, maybe this is.

01:06:25.000 Part of your apprehension about what was happening is that it has to be dealt with quickly.

01:06:31.000 Because if America does get bogged down, as it has in the past in these scenarios in the Middle East, that'll create precisely the distraction that we're trying to overcome.

01:06:43.000 But it's interesting that the president has created this leverage.

01:06:47.000 I mean, it's also created, as people have been pointing out, a much bigger oil market in the US, curiously.

01:06:52.000 So I don't know if that's part of his strategy, but there's definitely a lot more going on.

01:06:58.000 Than pointing.

01:06:59.000 And I don't think the idea that Israel forced the hand and the US had to do it. 0.67

01:07:05.000 I just don't really buy those kinds of narratives because having Iran not be this source of chaos in the Middle East is a massive win, not just for the US, but frankly for a lot of the countries in the region. 0.97

01:07:18.000 Yeah, no, I completely agree. 0.87

01:07:20.000 You just have to look back over the last, since the 80s, and President Trump has been complaining about Iran.

01:07:28.000 I think he has his own agency, I think that's very clear.

01:07:30.000 You can agree or disagree with the choice to attack Iran, but I believe President Trump has been hinting that he wanted to take care of this problem for a long time. 0.78

01:07:38.000 All right, so, and not really even hinting, being very direct about it. 0.84

01:07:41.000 My question then if we are distracted in Iran, even if we get done with it quickly, but we're still sort of bogged down, we have a lot of resources in the Middle East, military resources. 0.95

01:07:52.000 Again, we're talking about a regime that will organ harvest its own, you know, what do you call them, black classes or groups of people. 0.95

01:08:01.000 Would they make a move on Taiwan if we are distracted? 0.98

01:08:04.000 Would they militarily go in?

01:08:05.000 Do you think they're that bold?

01:08:07.000 They have a huge problem, okay, because Xi Jinping has been purging his military in an extreme way, arguably based on our analysis, okay, go back six months, a little bit further back, right?

01:08:22.000 Angered a lot of, let's call it the super elite.

01:08:25.000 You can think of it a bit like a mafia where he's the Don, but there's also other power centers in the system.

01:08:30.000 Russia's symbolic.

01:08:31.000 Because, exactly.

01:08:34.000 And basically, what's happened is that he has purged most of the leadership of the army, the military central commission.

01:08:44.000 There's only two people left, and one of them is she himself, and the other person has no real military experience, right?

01:08:52.000 Can't be an invasion of Taiwan.

01:08:54.000 It just means that it's a lot harder because they just don't have people with inexperience.

01:08:58.000 The other thing that he's created is a weird sort of kind of an unprecedented situation in the Communist Party, because as in the mafia, there's these kind of unwritten rules.

01:09:08.000 And the unwritten rules are when you have a group of people that are your support system, i.e., the Xi faction, and there were other factions, some of them have nicknames, you don't purge your own people, because that's actually you have safety in that group.

01:09:24.000 From that top leader in that power center, but he's actually been purging people within his own power center.

01:09:29.000 So it's kind of like this anything goes situation where a lot of people that even lost what little security they may have had in that type of group affiliation.

01:09:38.000 So I think they always project this perfect stability, they're on top of everything.

01:09:43.000 The propaganda is always pushing hard.

01:09:45.000 But internally, right now, they have a huge problem that they have to figure out because Xi has taken back more power, but he broke the key unwritten rules.

01:09:55.000 Really, kind of for the first time in a sustained way.

01:09:58.000 So they're actually having to deal with some pretty serious internal turmoil.

01:10:01.000 I don't see Taiwan happening in that context.

01:10:04.000 Well, Jan, one minute to go here.

01:10:07.000 Could it be suggested if they're getting that turmoil, if they're getting that instability, isn't that possibly how you actually do get a Taiwan fight?

01:10:15.000 If there's a faction that feels the need to assert itself, or if they feel, oh, you know, America is distracted, they could sell them.

01:10:23.000 This will be surprisingly easy. 0.90

01:10:24.000 I mean, we've already seen, arguably, With Iran, we may have thought it was going to be easier than it ended up being. 0.97

01:10:30.000 They might be able to sell the same narrative on Taiwan, and with that chaos, someone sees it as their way to. 0.98

01:10:36.000 Take over China, popular hobby. 0.77

01:10:38.000 They can, but they would have to be able to control the entire Chinese military.

01:10:41.000 And I don't think there's a faction from what we're seeing that could actually do that without kind of Xi's will in the first place.

01:10:47.000 Now, you could argue that because they feel a bit backed into a corner right now, in a way, especially with this severe restriction of oil from Venezuela, like all of this shadow fleet black market oil that they've been getting at rock bottom prices, that they could get desperate.

01:11:02.000 I'm not saying that that sort of thing is impossible, but I do feel like the game for the United States is to start removing the Pieces of leverage that the CCP has built over decades into the global financial and kind of geopolitical structure.

01:11:18.000 And I feel like this is the game.

01:11:20.000 And I feel that President Trump is actually affecting that as we speak.

01:11:24.000 And that this recent tweet, I think, actually kind of speaks to that because he's basically saying, yeah, let's, you know, we don't need to fight.

01:11:31.000 Do it my way.

01:11:32.000 But of course, we can fight, right?

01:11:34.000 If we need to.

01:11:35.000 Jan Ukelik, he's the author of the new book, Killed to Order, and Epic Times senior editor and a friend that I've known for a long time.

01:11:43.000 So, congratulations on the book.

01:11:45.000 Very important.

01:11:46.000 And yeah, and by the way, I want to say if you are in the Phoenix area, we have a Build the Red Wall event with President Trump happening on Friday here in Phoenix.

01:11:55.000 So get your tickets, buildtheredwall.com.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - April 15, 2026

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