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00:01:47.000Had a late night getting here, and it's been a bit of a whirlwind for me personally, but I'm very glad to be back in Phoenix after our event yesterday at the University of Georgia in Athens, Georgia.
00:02:04.000It was one that will stand out for me as far as what I remember.
00:02:07.000I mean, we've had so many events over the years, and it was a whirlwind, I will tell you.
00:02:12.000Obviously, the big part of the news was that Erica was canceled her appearance at that because of security threats that were made against her.
00:02:22.000It was something we were monitoring for days before the event.
00:02:26.000We actually had a high school event that was planned to be before the college event in the area that we had to cancel a few days before.
00:02:34.000Before, because of the increased online chatter that we were monitoring, our security team, I should say, was monitoring.
00:02:40.000And so we thought, you know, we got the Secret Service, everything should be fine at the main event.
00:02:44.000But what ended up happening, and I have to be somewhat careful here because the security, our security team does, you know, obviously wants to be a little bit circumspect in the way that we talk about this because we don't want to give the bad guys any more ideas.
00:02:58.000But it was a situation where they were trying to dox her travel and monitor her travel, suggesting different ways that people could attack her.
00:03:06.000And it was like, Something we were actively trying to navigate and change itineraries, move locations.
00:03:20.000And ultimately, you know, when you're in that moment and the security team looks at you and says, we can't guarantee your safety, at some point you just have to say, we'll do this a different way.
00:03:32.000And that's what we ultimately did yesterday.
00:03:35.000I was honored to be able to pinch hit for Erica.
00:03:38.000I was honored that the vice president.
00:03:42.000Was open to continue the event with me in her stead.
00:04:10.000But obviously, the main story is that Erica.
00:04:13.000Had to make that terrible decision to not go.
00:04:17.000And When your children are one parent away from being orphans and the security gives you that tough assessment, obviously you want to take that very seriously.
00:04:59.000Anyway, so the other story that was happening last night, I think it's worth addressing just briefly.
00:05:04.000I mean, we had over 2,000 mostly students attend that event, but it was a very large venue.
00:05:09.000So 2,000 at any college event is massive.
00:05:13.000A couple things happened in advance of this.
00:05:16.000And this is one of the pieces of evidence that we made when we were determining Erica's participation in the event is that there was just so much counter protest energy.
00:05:27.000That was apparently all the talk of the school.
00:05:30.000And you combine that with the death threats and the doxing of the travel and the itineraries, all of these things.
00:05:45.000A lot of people were seeing the news, what happened with Savannah and Minneapolis.
00:05:48.000So that was also a conversation that we were having.
00:05:51.000And then there were a bunch of left wing groups that tried, and they do this at a number of events.
00:05:56.000We have this pretty much down to a science where if we have, in this event, in which case we had about 10,000 tickets reserved for the event, and the venue holds about 4,000 when you consider the stage.
00:06:07.000So if you do like a hockey event at this event, it's about 6,000, but then you put a stage in, it only fits about 4,000.
00:06:55.000I think one of the best things you can do at these events is you can just tout wins that aren't talked about enough.
00:07:00.000I think one of my favorites is he just mentions, guys, the number of new H 1Bs, which we hear about from students all the time, it is down 90%.
00:07:09.000The asylum process was, I mean, there were, guys, there were literally millions of people coming into the United States every single year on false asylum claims.
00:07:20.000We have those claims down something like north of 95%.
00:07:24.000I'm very proud of what we've done in the Trump administration.
00:07:26.000Massive reductions in fraudulent visas, massive reductions in fraudulent number of asylum claims, massive reduction in H 1B visas granted.
00:07:36.000I think another good clip we have is we've had a little bit of back and forth in this all week, but people keep asking him questions about the Pope.
00:07:45.000And it's very funny because they're trying to put heat on him for saying, I won't be bossed around by the Pope, which every time we had Catholic politicians in the past, the attack was they'd get bossed around by the Pope.
00:08:00.000He said that God is never on the side of those who wield the sword.
00:08:05.000God is never on the side of those who wield the sword.
00:08:07.000I'm pretty sure that he said that exact statement.
00:08:10.000How can you say that God is never on the side of those who wield the sword?
00:08:15.000Was God on the side of the Americans who liberated France from the Nazis?
00:08:20.000Was God on the side of the Americans who liberated Holocaust camps and liberated those innocent people from those who had survived the Holocaust?
00:08:56.000It was, I mean, the energy was tremendous.
00:08:59.000And the reactions, I mean, from his answers, I thought he gave a couple really good mic drop answers.
00:09:05.000Vice President Vance's defense of Erica, I thought, was just a kind of a beautiful moment.
00:09:09.000But also, actually, with everything that's going on with Savannah Hernandez, he mentions that he talked with FBI Director Kash Patel about that.
00:09:24.000We're going to use the video to try to go after the people who assaulted her and then try to defund the networks that fund those radicals who are going around assaulting activists.
00:09:36.000And I'm reminded, and I mentioned it actually this morning on another media hit I did, but I always think back to one of Charlie's, I think it was Charlie's actually last text to Stephen Miller talking about defunding the networks of these left wing, you know, essentially domestic terrorists that are trying to come after us and hurt us and all this stuff.
00:10:11.000We've got, I mean, we've had that report the other day, which we'll hopefully cover in the next few days, where, yeah, the Biden administration put all its focus on investigating pro life demonstrators, including people who just prayed outside of clinics.
00:10:23.000And then people who besiege federal courthouses, people who plan to disrupt conservative events, assault conservative speakers, assault conservative grassroots activists, they get away with everything.
00:10:35.000There was another great moment, actually, with a student who asked a question, and I believe she was Indian, and she was saying, You know, about this conversation about immigration, you know, you're lauding the decrease in legal immigration, which again, we're going to get into with Alex Marlowe at the top of hour two.
00:10:52.000What about me, my parents, and, you know, how is that America First?
00:11:20.000And I said, Sir, with all due respect, if you're an American, your country is the United States of America, not a place that you immigrated from whenever that was.
00:11:29.000Whether your family's been here for 300 years or one second, to be an American means to look out for Americans first.
00:11:35.000And that's the perspective we have to take to our immigration policy.
00:11:39.000I mean, that's a tough thing because you think JD's married to Usha, Indian family, and he's got this Indian student asking him about what about legal immigrants like my parents?
00:12:39.000So when Donald Trump says, when the president says, this is a hoax, He's not saying it's a hoax that Epstein was the scumbag.
00:12:46.000He's not saying that it's a hoax that Epstein was connected to powerful people.
00:12:50.000He's saying this democratic idea that somehow he was Epstein's best friend, that is a hoax.
00:12:55.000And if you look at the emails, it's obvious that Jeffrey Epstein hated Donald J. Trump.
00:13:00.000And by the way, one of the best signs for whether you're a good person or not, for whether you're a decent human being, is if the worst people in the world hate your guts.
00:13:10.000The fact that Jeffrey Epstein hates Donald J. Trump is a pretty good thing for Donald J. Trump.
00:13:15.000I would like to be hated by Jeffrey Epstein.
00:13:22.000I would have liked to have been on, you know, well, I actually would have been probably better not to be known by Jeffrey Epstein, which is thankfully what I can claim, both of us.
00:13:32.000So, anyways, give me your overall thoughts, his answers.
00:13:40.000I think Vance, he faces a lot of tough tests.
00:13:42.000I think the administration, almost in a calculated way, gives him tough jobs.
00:13:46.000But it's like that meme you can find online, like with, Jesus, and it's like, stop giving me your toughest battles, you are my best soldier, and I think that's how Vance is distinguishing himself.
00:13:57.000He is a very good soldier for the administration and for the movement.
00:14:01.000Yeah, and I would be remiss if I didn't.
00:14:03.000He also mentioned during the event that one of his sons got baptized right, oh yeah, Easter.
00:14:10.000That was that's very glad to hear that.
00:14:12.000Yeah, which is, I think it was interesting because we we, we started the conversation talking about the attacks on Erica and both the social media attacks and now you know actual You know, threats against her.
00:14:25.000And then we kind of went into his Catholic faith, and then he's coming out with a book called Communion that apparently he's been writing for nine, ten years called, you know, Communion, which is a very Catholic title.
00:14:38.000And then we got into the Pope, and then, you know, his son getting baptized when he got baptized.
00:14:43.000And it's something that is interesting about the entire story of JD Vance because he said at the memorial, I have talked about God more in the last two weeks than I have in my entire public life.
00:14:55.000One of the leaders of the free world, the second most powerful man in America, continued to talk about Jesus, talk about his faith, his conversion, and then you see his son get baptized.
00:15:05.000Yeah, and it's something that they take a lot of scrutiny for because Usha obviously is not.
00:15:10.000And I think it's really admirable of the way he navigates that in a very complicated media environment and the way he does it with grace and class and dignity while respecting his family.
00:18:15.000I thought he answered the questions brilliantly and made some news, actually.
00:18:18.000So I want to get to the Democrat side of things soon.
00:18:22.000But I just have to ask this foreign policy issue within our base has always been the most, I guess, the largest struggle.
00:18:32.000Because the coalition is so fractured on this issue.
00:18:36.000Iran, we hear now that President Trump is going to be opening the strait permanently and that China had a role to play with it.
00:18:44.000How big of a deal do you think, just from a political calculation standpoint, is it that we get this wrapped up quickly?
00:18:51.000Well, I think it's more important from the political side to make it wrap up well rather than quickly.
00:18:56.000And I think you see in parts of the party, not just the neocons, but people who are supportive of Israel, whether they're neocons or not, who say the president shouldn't take a bad deal.
00:19:06.000I think the challenge, besides the political clock, is people I talk to who are more expert than I am, no one really knows are the Iranians going to make a good deal from the point of the United States more under pressure?
00:19:19.000Or under less pressure because the history of the regime, long term, over decades, but also during this war, is they don't like to be backed into a corner.
00:19:29.000They don't like to look like they're losing.
00:19:31.000So I think the president would like to end it.
00:19:35.000He tells people regularly he'd like to end it, but he can't end it on terms that are not great for the United States and for Israel and for the world.
00:19:41.000And so, like I said, I think it's more important in the substance, but also for him politically, it's much more important to end it well than end it quickly.
00:20:00.000I can give the president, you know, some patience to do what, I mean, this is why we elected him, right?
00:20:06.000I think, I don't want to put words in Charlie's mouth, but that's certainly what he said when Operation Midnight Hammer happened, right?
00:20:11.000That this is why we elected President Trump to make these types of tough decisions.
00:20:14.000But there's no doubt it's been a challenge from a coalitional standpoint.
00:20:18.000You've seen that play out in public very much.
00:20:20.000But I do agree that you've got to do it right.
00:20:22.000Like, once you can't put that Pace back in the tube, as it were.
00:20:25.000This war is happening and it's ongoing, and we want it to end well.
00:20:28.000So I agree with that assessment, Mark Halperin.
00:20:30.000I want to get into the Democrat side of the ledger here.
00:20:33.000Obviously, there's been a ton of news about Swalwell, but it hasn't.
00:20:38.000I kind of thought this would be the end of the California gubernatorial discussion because we have the jungle primaries.
00:20:44.000But a new report from CNN this morning says that Gavin Newsom is working the phones because they're still concerned that the Democrat side is too fractured.
00:20:53.000California's governor, Gavin Newsom, is facing growing pressure now from Top Democrats to help clean up what is the scrambled situation left in the wake of the allegations of sexual misconduct and assault by Eric Swalwell.
00:21:05.000The whole thing having also rocked the race for California's governor.
00:21:10.000According to a dozen leading Democrats, Newsom has now been in a marathon of calls and meetings about this race, the race to replace him as he's term limited.
00:21:19.000With Swalwell out of that race, as well as out of his seat in Congress, there are now seven Democrats in the running and two Republicans.
00:21:27.000Swalwell had been considered a front runner until the events.
00:21:30.000And the allegations that surfaced in the past week.
00:21:33.000And now there are a lot of concerns in what has long been a Democratic led state among Democrats that a fractured race here now could mean Democrats could get locked out given the way that California's elections are set up.
00:22:13.000And again, California election is a little bit unusual to everybody runs on one ballot, and then the top two, regardless of party, go in the general election.
00:22:23.000But there's all sorts of reasons to think that, as my friend Britt Hume likes to say, the dog won't eat the dog food, that no matter how much he spends on TV ads, He's not going to vote for him.
00:22:34.000And then you've got a math game if you assume the electorate is 35% Republican or 40% Republicans plus independents who might vote for a Republican, and two candidates split that, and then seven candidates split the other 60%, you could see why Democrats are worried that they may not make the runoff.
00:22:53.000Now, if either of the Republicans gets elected governor, they'll be recalled almost certainly.
00:22:59.000That process will probably begin right away if both Republicans are the ones who get to the final.
00:23:05.000So they have a problem unless one of the Democrats catches on.
00:23:09.000And the view of many Democrats in California, I haven't talked to Governor Newsom about it, but I wouldn't be surprised if the people around him and maybe he thought this as well.
00:23:16.000Right now, you couldn't bet on any of these Democrats to catch on.
00:23:19.000People are saying Stire because he's rich.
00:23:21.000Some of the organizations, the liberal groups who endorsed Swalwell, have switched to Stire, but they're worried.
00:23:28.000And look, I think Hilton could beat Stire potentially.
00:23:32.000Most people don't, but I think he could because Stire's got a lot of weaknesses as a candidate.
00:23:37.000So, Mark, I kind of want to take a long view just because you're experienced and you've seen this play out.
00:23:42.000So, as we mentioned, Steyer is positioning himself with this pretty radical view on ICE, basically saying he'll declare them like a criminal gang and prosecute federal agents in his state.
00:23:55.000So, one, do you think if elected, he'll actually do something like that?
00:24:33.000Compared to a lot of the Democrats who are in this race, including on some issues, Tom Steyer.
00:24:38.000And of course, the fashionable thing, the easy thing to do in Democratic politics now is to go to the far left to try to win over the base of the party to get into the final two.
00:24:57.000And although he's run for public office, he's never been in public office.
00:25:01.000So I suspect that if he did win, he would govern from the left because that would be the Path of least resistance with the legislature.
00:25:09.000And I think President Trump will have a lot of work to do to deal with a governor besides Gavin Newsom, if it's someone to the far left, for two years and in the state where one in every seven Americans lives.
00:25:21.000Yeah, I actually agree with your assessment of Gavin Newsom.
00:25:25.000I met him the one time when Charlie was on his show.
00:25:28.000And I think Gavin Newsom's too cold blooded to truly be radical, fire breathing left wing.
00:26:08.000If, If you think Gavin Newsom is bad, which he is, you know, the people coming behind him, it's only going to get worse in California as the base of the Democrat Party gets more and more to the left.
00:26:20.000So we're not sure how this is going to play out, but your assessment is that the Democrat Party is still too fractured to really guarantee that they don't get locked out of both of the top two spots.
00:26:30.000So we're going to see some consolidation.
00:26:32.000I mean, there's pressure on folks to get out.
00:26:34.000I don't know that they will because it's, you know, kind of a prisoner's dilemma until somebody can make the case that they're the strongest.
00:26:41.000The others will say, well, why not me?
00:26:43.000So, right now, I'm not betting on consolidation, but if Governor Newsom gets behind the effort to consolidate and get some of the folks out, I think the chances go up.
00:28:05.000I don't know if you remember that moment, but Kamala Harris and the Seven Dwarves.
00:28:10.000Go ahead and throw up this image of the individuals that are suspected to be running for president in 2028 on the Democrat side of the ledger.
00:28:20.000We've got J.B. Pritzker, who Charlie always used to say was born on third and thought he hit a triple.
00:28:25.000AOC, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, Wes Moore, of course, Gavin Newsom, Kamala Harris, Pete Buttigieg.
00:29:06.000Who are thinking of running are going to think about what it might do to their family, are going to think about the fundraising realities of running, and may take a pass, people who are sort of assumed to be candidates.
00:29:19.000Some of my sources say she's the favorite.
00:29:21.000Some of them think she shouldn't be in the top eight.
00:29:23.000And that's true of some of the other candidates on this.
00:29:25.000Pute Buttigieg, I've grown increasingly bullish on his prospects, but I have great sources who say no, he's got no chance.
00:29:32.000I think the biggest two questions, not about the candidates, and that matters most, but we don't know who's going to run yet.
00:29:38.000Will the liberal wing of the party, the progressive wing of the party, pick the nominee?
00:29:42.000I think Bernie Sanders would have been the nominee in 2016 and 2020 if the Democrats hadn't rigged the system against him.
00:29:49.000How powerful is that wing of the party?
00:29:51.000And if it is powerful, who's the person?
00:29:53.000Because right now, the people you showed, really only AOC is of that wing of the party.
00:29:58.000And then the second question is there's a lot of people in the party who say, given the experience of the last three elections, they should only nominate a white male.
00:31:00.000My sources are less concerned about his chances regarding demography or even issue positions than the question of whether he's a major league player.
00:31:09.000The sophisticated people in the party, the consultants, the donors, the electeds, a lot of them wonder.
00:31:15.000Whether the governor of Kentucky is really major league as compared to very strong double A ball.
00:31:20.000So that's a concern that I think in his case dwarfs the question of whether the party doesn't want a white man or whether he's too moderate on some issues.
00:31:31.000He's pretty liberal on a lot of issues.
00:31:57.000They have some control, but not total.
00:31:58.000But I would say that the sentiment you expressed is not just about the establishment.
00:32:02.000I talked to grassroots Democrats, including women of color, who say, no more messing around.
00:32:08.000Like, we wish America would vote for anybody, but we're not going to pick a Jewish person, a gay person, a female, or a person of color.
00:32:17.000That's not 100% universal, but it's a very popular view expressed to me, again, not just by the establishment, because of the realities of the sample space that they see.
00:32:27.000And they just say, why not run a white Christian straight man and see what happens?
00:32:37.000Honestly, I'm so glad that I don't even have to really think that hard about this.
00:32:40.000What occurs to me is we talk about what the establishment would do, yet, if I think of when I think of the Democrats, what I think of is their tendency to sort of have contagious groupthink.
00:32:54.000To use an example from our perspective, it's when, for example, abolish the police suddenly became a thing that they would all repeat because it bubbled up from the bottom.
00:33:02.000And I just wonder we talk about, oh, can the establishment.
00:33:18.000You know, everything you said is true, and everything you said is correctable for the most part if they find some great candidate, some really charismatic candidate who can weave the party together, the way Bill Clinton did, even though he ran on a lot of conservative things.
00:33:33.000You guys are too young to probably feel the full resonance of this, but when he ran for president in 1992, He supported the death penalty.
00:33:45.000These were positions that are just so out of step with the dominant wing of the Democratic Party.
00:33:50.000And yet he was able to do that and still win the support of a lot of progressives who disagreed with him on those issues, but saw him as someone who could win.
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00:37:30.000There's actually so much news to get into, but I was inspired by my conversation with Vice President JD Vance yesterday at the University of Georgia, and he started lauding the administration's achievements on legal immigration.
00:37:44.000I love the way this whole thing became a story.
00:37:47.000It started with a gentleman named David Beer.
00:37:50.000From the Cato Institute that published the collapse of immigration report, that he was warning the world, you don't know how bad it is.
00:37:58.000President Trump and the Trump administration has cut legal immigration, and you guys need to be aware of it.
00:38:04.000And I think a lot of people in our audience were like, you know, slow clapping, like, wow, okay, you know, this is what we voted for, Alex.
00:38:11.000I'll get into the, you know, specifics of the report in just a second, but what is your impression of Cato's report on legal immigration?
00:38:19.000Yeah, first of all, so Cato is a libertarian economic.
00:38:23.000And they're very well funded, very well capitalized.
00:38:26.000And they're pointing this out as a warning.
00:38:28.000They're very pro open borders, legal immigration.
00:38:31.000They think that America basically is nothing without importing much of the whole third world and first world and second world, however many people we can get in here.
00:38:44.000And I think that this is essential to Vice President Vance's narrative and his rise, and why we at Breitbart were very interested in the stuff he had to say.
00:38:52.000Back when he was a mere author and not even a senator yet, this is part of the general appeal understanding that when you're importing a bunch of people from around the world, it doesn't necessarily make life better for Americans.
00:39:04.000And America's government is obliged to be America first, supposed to think of Americans first, and importing the entire planet.
00:39:11.000We can't take care of the whole planet.
00:39:14.000Maybe some pie in the sky appeal to whatever is in your heart, maybe you would want to help as many people as you can, but we can't have them all here.
00:40:10.000Line really caught the internet by surprise, I would say, because there's been so much chatter, especially with our students at Turning Point all across the country.
00:40:20.000You ask them what they're worried about, they're worried about foreigners taking their jobs.
00:41:17.000It's that you can see, it's like we talk about the vibe shift in America against it, but you're actually driving a vibe shift in other countries.
00:41:25.000For example, it was actually easy to claim asylum at the border for quite a long time.
00:41:30.000But what really mattered is when Biden came in office and when TikTok became popular, it's like the word instantly spread around the world.
00:41:38.000If you show up and you do XYZ thing, you will get in.
00:41:41.000And it just started a giant engine of itself where we went, I remember one of the countries, Mauritania, the country where slavery is still legal, basically.
00:41:50.000They went from 10,000 of them in the US to 50,000 in about two years.
00:41:55.000And they were all going to a town in Ohio because there's just a guide on TikTok.
00:41:58.000Now we're seeing the reversal of that.
00:42:22.000Throw this tweet up from David J. Beer.
00:42:24.000From Cato, he goes, and he was responding to a clip from our event last night where, you know, Vice President Vance is quoting some of this Cato research.
00:43:17.000You guys, I love that you guys are on this because it's so big for so many reasons.
00:43:20.000First of all, starving universities is huge.
00:43:22.000And even if you're a person who wants to go to an expensive university, part of the reason it's so expensive is because there are so many foreigners who can pay full freight.
00:43:46.000Blake, hopefully one day you'll have a bunch of children.
00:43:48.000He's going to have a bunch of children.
00:43:50.000The idea that, I am going to pay, you know, six figures a year in taxes in the system for decades.
00:43:55.000And then my kids are going to get educated.
00:43:57.000And then they're going to get into the working world.
00:43:59.000And then someone who has never been here, who has no roots here, who's not part of American culture, is not part of American heritage, is just going to take a job from one of my kids because they're willing to do it for 11% less.
00:45:28.000So that is a tragedy, another unnecessary American death that unfortunately we have to live through because Joe Biden just opened the borders.
00:45:37.000And so remember that when you hear all this infighting.
00:45:41.000We don't want our country invaded again.
00:45:43.000All right, we're going to talk about something that I think is important to talk about because I think some people in this audience maybe aren't, I mean, they're aware of it broadly, but maybe not as intimately as we are working with students on campus.
00:47:15.000It's a big political realignment that's taking place.
00:47:18.000And I think a lot of this has to do with just terrible PR for Israel.
00:47:22.000Israel is really almost no major spokespeople, I think, who are particularly reaching younger people who are pro Israel, who are making a convincing case that Israel is a unique beacon of hope in a region.
00:47:34.000Full of Islamist insanity, which is how I regard it.
00:47:36.000But there's very few people speaking to younger people about that.
00:47:39.000I know this was one of Charlie's critiques of Israel.
00:47:42.000I think maybe his main critique of Israel is he found himself having to defend positions that Israel held that weren't ones he necessarily agreed with because they weren't really doing a capable job of defending themselves.
00:47:53.000And I think there's a lot of people who are messaging to younger people in the podcasting space, in the online space, who are very much pro Israel, very much anti Israel to various degrees.
00:48:03.000And I don't really know what alternative is being presented to these younger people.
00:48:07.000And for people who are older, I think a lot of people feel as though Israel maybe is a good country in the scheme of countries, but they don't really want to see American blood and treasure spilt on Israel's behalf.
00:48:18.000And that's a deep concern that if a world war breaks out, a lot of people assume that Israel is going to be a part of the discussion.
00:48:26.000I don't love seeing these numbers, but I completely understand it given that media layout.
00:48:30.000Yeah, and as you said, we talked a lot with Charlie about this.
00:48:34.000This was a big concern of his trying to get the synthesis that he knew there was skepticism rising, but you want to be able to understand where it's coming from without letting it spiral off into the bad, dark alleys that it often goes into.
00:48:49.000And I remember I was discussing ways that it could be fixed.
00:48:52.000And what I will admit to having trouble with is it seems much harder to fix now than it even was two months ago.
00:49:00.000I think there was a lot of skepticism, but.
00:49:01.000That number you saw at 2025, it was about neutral, and then it's really bad just this spring.
00:49:07.000Let's be frank, it's the Iran conflict has really driven young people in a negative direction.
00:49:19.000Because we don't want the right to be this insane anti Semite conspiracy theory party, which there are people who would love to take it in that direction.
00:49:27.000Yeah, short term and long term, I think the short term things is first of all, Trump has to decisively win the Iran war, move on, and then also sell to the American people why he fought it to begin with, which I think is becoming very clear.
00:49:40.000Vice President Vance was crystal with you guys yesterday at the event.
00:49:44.000And it really kind of took people about seven weeks to figure out it really was always just about nukes.
00:49:49.000Trump had drawn a red line over a year ago.
00:49:51.000They were not going to pursue nuclear weapons or else he was going to bomb them.
00:49:54.000It's really crystal clear, looking back, hindsight being 2020 as it is, that Trump was always going to bomb Iran so long as they kept pursuing nuclear weapons.
00:50:03.000And if we can get this boom that could potentially happen from ships going to get oil from the United States of America instead of being hooked on Iranian oil, he could have a really major victory here.
00:50:13.000And if he can tell that story, I do think that actually helps the cause of Israel because as of now, people feel like there's this perception that Israel dragged us into a stupid war.
00:50:22.000And that is very hard to push back against at the moment.
00:51:03.000I had a conversation with somebody this morning that's like a very fervent supporter of Israel, at least historically.
00:51:10.000And he made a comment to me that kind of took me aback.
00:51:13.000He said, You know, even I'm getting a little like on edge about it because, you know, there is this perception that, you know, it's like we like them, but we like America more.
00:51:25.000And we want to make sure that our interests are being put in front of our own.
00:51:30.000And he was like, You know, I can only help you so much here, Israel, like, you know, if you don't help yourself.
00:51:36.000And you got to stop bombing Hezbollah.
00:51:51.000And the Lebanon example is a perfect example.
00:51:53.000If you want to go deep in the history, this is an age old territorial beef.
00:51:57.000Israel has got claims to regions of Lebanon that are unrealized.
00:52:01.000And Hezbollah, which is an Iran funded terror proxy, is in the region and strategically places a lot of their resources, their personnel, their terror weaponry in civilian areas, specifically because if Israel attacks them, they can then manipulate the news cycle as they do.
00:52:57.000Especially the folks that, you know, want to support them.
00:53:00.000They're like, what am I supposed to do here when you're taking advantage of the situation?
00:53:04.000And I understand, listen, they're on a border with a group of terrorists.
00:53:09.000There are rational explanations for this, but optically, it just seems like there's been a lack of appreciation of what the appearance is in America, across the West.
00:53:19.000And I think it's been really destructive overall, unfortunately.
00:53:22.000But, I'm told we're on the precipice of breakthrough here.
00:53:26.000Let's hope in the next 10 days we get this all wrapped up.
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00:54:56.000All right, I'm going to welcome now to the show Jan Ukelik, who is the senior editor of Epic Times and the author of the brand new book, Killed to Order.
00:55:06.000Jan, good to see you again, my friend.
00:55:44.000And one of the punchlines in the book actually is that the Chinese Communist Party instrumentalizes absolutely everything, including human bodies in the context of killed to order for profit, for elite longevity.
00:55:59.000And also for the elimination of entire groups of people.
00:56:02.000But it also instrumentalizes Iran, for example, right?
00:56:06.000It's been a premier tool for keeping America's gaze away from Communist China, the true biggest adversary, right?
00:56:14.000That's the subtitle of my book, The True Nature of America's Biggest Adversary.
00:56:17.000And instead focused on all these non state actors that Iran has funded and Iran itself over in the Middle East.
00:56:24.000But so part of why I wrote the book was to expose this very unique, Next level organ trafficking, which frankly, most people or many people didn't even want to believe was real for many years.
00:56:36.000And still, there's some out there that don't.
00:56:39.000But also, how this horrible industry, this atrocity, is actually a perfect lens into understanding how communist China works, even in the geopolitical context.
00:56:48.000Yeah, I mean, it's a pretty devastating thing to understand that there is organ harvesting.
00:56:56.000I mean, we hear about it in South America, Brazil, you hear these kind of one off stories.
00:57:01.000But to understand that it's so intricately woven into this deep, dark, seedy underbelly of the CCP and the Chinese culture is really telling about the nature of a culture.
00:57:13.000I mean, if you're letting this happen, if you're institutionalizing, if you're enabling it in some way, that's a dark thing.
00:57:41.000Maybe you could call it a gray market because really only the super elites have access to it.
00:57:46.000But it's something that we have a system that's able to push massive dehumanizing propaganda through a population, through the entire Chinese population.
00:57:56.000They spent years destroying the traditional culture and implementing communist culture, as you pointed out, right?
00:58:02.000And also, they have the ability to incarcerate it through public security.
00:58:10.000Because this is what you need to get killed to order, okay?
00:58:13.000In an ethical transplant situation, someone needs to have a catastrophic accident, typically a car or motorcycle accident.
00:58:20.000They also need to basically be able to have the right type of blood and tissue, matching blood and tissue, because our bodies reject things that aren't kind of quite compatible enough.
00:58:32.000And that's in addition to these drugs that they use to basically prevent rejection.
00:58:39.000But there was a whistleblower that basically, this is back in 2005, 2006, that told his transplant surgeon, or at least the transplant surgeon was the whistleblower, but the patient told the transplant surgeon, I'm tired of waiting, I'm desperate, I've got it arranged in China, and I've got it arranged in two weeks.
00:58:56.000Okay, and that's nuts because, first of all, you're arranging that catastrophic accident.
00:59:03.000But the other part is, how do you get the two weeks, even though you have to match all these variables?
00:59:08.000Well, so back in 99, to answer your other question, right, there was a group called Falun Gong, which basically the Chinese Communist Party, with its history of creating what are called black classes, these are groups it's looking to get rid of, like the landowners in the early days.
00:59:22.000It created its newest black class, which was the Falun Gong practitioners in 1999, people practicing truthfulness, compassion, and forbearance.
00:59:31.000Very grassroots, very bottom up, no hierarchy, no worship, but a deep spirituality.
00:59:37.000And 70 to 100 million, more than the Communist Party in that year, right?
00:59:41.000So, what happened was they basically pushed this dehumanizing propaganda.
00:59:45.000As soon as the dictator at the time decided to make it a black class, they dehumanized them massively, kind of talking points straight out of Germany in the 30s, that kind of thing.
00:59:56.000And then, when these people wouldn't break easily, when they were pushed into the communist struggle system, kind of to break them, to get them to give up what they were doing.
01:00:04.000They incarcerated a million plus, we don't know exactly how many, but a huge number of people.
01:00:09.000Then they blood type them, tissue type them, and organ scan them ahead of time, create a database.
01:00:14.000And now, when that person pays 100 or 200 grand as a transplant tourist, okay, they're basically pre matched to someone that's already in a database, an innocent prisoner of conscience.
01:00:26.000And then that person is shipped and killed to order.
01:00:28.000This is the kind of thing we're talking about, right?
01:00:30.000It's a very extreme form of organ trafficking.
01:00:33.000And when no one did anything about it for, 14 or 15 years, okay, they added another group, the Uyghur Muslims in the northwest of China, dehumanized them, incarcerated massive groups of them.
01:00:46.000So you're saying the Falun Gong, there's a million or some, around about, there's estimates that that high are incarcerated in China?
01:00:54.000Because everybody talks about the Uyghur, the Uyghur Muslims.
01:00:56.000So I just didn't realize it was that extensive.
01:00:59.000We don't know the exact numbers today, to be perfectly honest, because every time we did research and reporting on this, they would basically close down the various ways that we were getting data.
01:01:08.000But in 2005, the State Department in China's massive incarceration system, we're talking about labor camps, black jails, prisons, re education through labor camps, labor camps, all of it, right?
01:01:20.000Half of the people in that system were Falun Gong practitioners, okay, across a country of 1.3 billion, okay?
01:01:44.000And for a while, we were able to kind of scrape information from there that was very harder, much harder to get from across the entire country.
01:01:53.000Okay, so this is the nature of the CCP that we're dealing with.
01:01:55.000They just incarcerate entire groups of people and then they use them as they will.
01:02:01.000And part of that is organ harvesting, which is terrible.
01:02:04.000Now, President Trump has a trip coming up.
01:02:06.000He's going to be meeting with President Xi in China.
01:02:09.000The backdrop of this, of course, is Iran.
01:02:11.000And this morning we learned that President Trump is going to, quote unquote, permanently open the Strait of Hormuz.
01:02:17.000Apparently, Xi and the CCP have been asking for this.
01:02:21.000He said he's going to get a bear hug from Xi.
01:02:25.000Explain this dynamic between China and Iran.
01:02:29.000I guess it also comes with that China has agreed to stop selling arms to Iran.
01:02:34.000So, explain this whole geopolitical dynamic that exists there.
01:02:37.000Well, there's a whole bunch of things in this, okay?
01:02:40.000First of all, you know, a promise from communist China isn't worth the paper it's written on or the airwaves that it's being pushed through, okay?
01:02:48.000And we have, you know, 40 years of evidence about that.
01:02:52.000The president is playing a very interesting game here because.
01:02:57.000I believe the president actually does understand the nature of America's biggest adversary, meaning that the Chinese Communist Party is willing to almost do anything, right?
01:03:07.000It's ready to do kill to order to its own people.
01:03:12.000And unfortunately, over decades, they've been able to develop a ton of leverage against us.
01:03:17.000Now, Strait of Hormuz is a huge piece of leverage for the president, of course, because 90% of the oil coming from Iran was actually being purchased by communist China.
01:03:27.000They're basically the funder of the regime, right?
01:03:29.000And it's been an incredibly useful tool as a distraction from looking at communist China for the regime, right?
01:03:36.000And now, with basically the Iranian tankers no longer being able to take that oil out, that reduces the Chinese regime's ability to get that oil.
01:03:46.000So he's basically using this leverage to create, I think, more beneficial negotiating tactics.
01:03:52.000I'm not clear on exactly what permanently opening the strait exactly means.
01:03:56.000I think it means on US terms and not on Iranian terms.
01:04:01.000And again, I would be very, very careful about trusting any information from communist China because they're always trying to find ways of doing things with the so called plausible deniability, right?
01:04:12.000We're not going to supply weapons, but we'll supply chemicals, which may be our dual use.
01:04:16.000We had reports on that in the past while, right?
01:04:20.000Chemicals to run the ballistic missiles and so forth.
01:04:23.000So we have to watch like hawks on this kind of deal.
01:04:27.000Jan, you like to expose how China is playing this long game with the United States.
01:04:32.000They see us as the main impediment to their sort of global power.
01:04:57.000But you could make the argument in President Trump's defense that by doing this, you're taking chess pieces off the board that China relied upon.
01:05:06.000So isn't this also, yeah, maybe we're distracted and we're not totally focused on the main adversary, which is China, but aren't we also really?
01:05:13.000Playing our cards well against them to take these power centers, these nodes of influence off the chessboard.
01:05:21.000And in fact, you know, when I look at this, I always look at it from the geopolitical perspective.
01:05:27.000And, you know, Venezuela was, you know, again, you want to talk about a centerpiece of a chessboard.
01:05:33.000That was Venezuela, you know, this kind of narco terror hub, right?
01:05:38.000Basically supported by Cuba, you know, arguably brought into power by Cuba.
01:05:42.000You know, communist societies, they don't really work ultimately independently, right?
01:05:48.000China is a massive backer of communist Cuba as well.
01:05:53.000And so, by what happened in Venezuela, you know, kind of against all odds, I don't think anyone was expecting that.
01:05:59.000That's putting a serious chink into China's ambitions in that region, basically to further create instability and create, again, that distraction in the South, right?
01:06:09.000So, this is this implementation of the newly named Dunro, the Dunro Doctrine, right?
01:06:14.000I see Iran as being part, from the geopolitical perspective, very much a similar part of a move that's very similar in nature.
01:06:23.000But the key part, and I think, you know, maybe this is.
01:06:25.000Part of your apprehension about what was happening is that it has to be dealt with quickly.
01:06:31.000Because if America does get bogged down, as it has in the past in these scenarios in the Middle East, that'll create precisely the distraction that we're trying to overcome.
01:06:43.000But it's interesting that the president has created this leverage.
01:06:47.000I mean, it's also created, as people have been pointing out, a much bigger oil market in the US, curiously.
01:06:52.000So I don't know if that's part of his strategy, but there's definitely a lot more going on.
01:06:59.000And I don't think the idea that Israel forced the hand and the US had to do it.
01:07:05.000I just don't really buy those kinds of narratives because having Iran not be this source of chaos in the Middle East is a massive win, not just for the US, but frankly for a lot of the countries in the region.
01:07:20.000You just have to look back over the last, since the 80s, and President Trump has been complaining about Iran.
01:07:28.000I think he has his own agency, I think that's very clear.
01:07:30.000You can agree or disagree with the choice to attack Iran, but I believe President Trump has been hinting that he wanted to take care of this problem for a long time.
01:07:38.000All right, so, and not really even hinting, being very direct about it.
01:07:41.000My question then if we are distracted in Iran, even if we get done with it quickly, but we're still sort of bogged down, we have a lot of resources in the Middle East, military resources.
01:07:52.000Again, we're talking about a regime that will organ harvest its own, you know, what do you call them, black classes or groups of people.
01:08:01.000Would they make a move on Taiwan if we are distracted?
01:08:07.000They have a huge problem, okay, because Xi Jinping has been purging his military in an extreme way, arguably based on our analysis, okay, go back six months, a little bit further back, right?
01:08:22.000Angered a lot of, let's call it the super elite.
01:08:25.000You can think of it a bit like a mafia where he's the Don, but there's also other power centers in the system.
01:08:54.000It just means that it's a lot harder because they just don't have people with inexperience.
01:08:58.000The other thing that he's created is a weird sort of kind of an unprecedented situation in the Communist Party, because as in the mafia, there's these kind of unwritten rules.
01:09:08.000And the unwritten rules are when you have a group of people that are your support system, i.e., the Xi faction, and there were other factions, some of them have nicknames, you don't purge your own people, because that's actually you have safety in that group.
01:09:24.000From that top leader in that power center, but he's actually been purging people within his own power center.
01:09:29.000So it's kind of like this anything goes situation where a lot of people that even lost what little security they may have had in that type of group affiliation.
01:09:38.000So I think they always project this perfect stability, they're on top of everything.
01:09:43.000The propaganda is always pushing hard.
01:09:45.000But internally, right now, they have a huge problem that they have to figure out because Xi has taken back more power, but he broke the key unwritten rules.
01:09:55.000Really, kind of for the first time in a sustained way.
01:09:58.000So they're actually having to deal with some pretty serious internal turmoil.
01:10:01.000I don't see Taiwan happening in that context.
01:10:07.000Could it be suggested if they're getting that turmoil, if they're getting that instability, isn't that possibly how you actually do get a Taiwan fight?
01:10:15.000If there's a faction that feels the need to assert itself, or if they feel, oh, you know, America is distracted, they could sell them.
01:10:38.000They can, but they would have to be able to control the entire Chinese military.
01:10:41.000And I don't think there's a faction from what we're seeing that could actually do that without kind of Xi's will in the first place.
01:10:47.000Now, you could argue that because they feel a bit backed into a corner right now, in a way, especially with this severe restriction of oil from Venezuela, like all of this shadow fleet black market oil that they've been getting at rock bottom prices, that they could get desperate.
01:11:02.000I'm not saying that that sort of thing is impossible, but I do feel like the game for the United States is to start removing the Pieces of leverage that the CCP has built over decades into the global financial and kind of geopolitical structure.
01:11:20.000And I feel that President Trump is actually affecting that as we speak.
01:11:24.000And that this recent tweet, I think, actually kind of speaks to that because he's basically saying, yeah, let's, you know, we don't need to fight.
01:11:46.000And yeah, and by the way, I want to say if you are in the Phoenix area, we have a Build the Red Wall event with President Trump happening on Friday here in Phoenix.
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