The Charlie Kirk Show - VP Vance's Q&A Master Class

00:00:03.000 My name is Charlie Kirk.

00:00:05.000 I run the largest pro-American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic.

00:00:11.000 My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth.

00:00:14.000 If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're going to end up miserable.

00:00:19.000 But if the most important thing is doing good, you'll end up purposeful.

00:00:24.000 College is a scam, everybody.

00:00:26.000 You got to stop sending your kids to college.

00:00:27.000 You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible.

00:00:31.000 Go start a Turning Point USA college chapter.

00:00:33.000 Go start a Turning Point USA high school chapter.

00:00:35.000 Go find out how your church can get involved.

00:00:37.000 Sign up and become an activist.

00:00:39.000 I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade.

00:00:41.000 Most important decision I ever made in my life.

00:00:43.000 And I encourage you to do the same.

00:00:45.000 Here I am.

00:00:46.000 Lord, use me.

00:00:48.000 Buckle up, everybody.

00:00:49.000 Here we go.

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00:01:09.000 All right.

00:01:09.000 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:01:11.000 I'm Andrew Colvett, joined by Blake Neff in studio back here in Phoenix after an amazing, amazing evening in Ole Miss in Oxford, Mississippi.

00:01:21.000 Truly one of the most amazing events that I have ever seen in person to be a part of.

00:01:30.000 Blake, you held down the home fort here yesterday.

00:01:33.000 Great show.

00:01:34.000 I got lots of compliments from people.

00:01:35.000 So well done.

00:01:36.000 Well done. 0.97

00:01:37.000 Also, I want to do one of those dumb questions with time. 0.91

00:01:42.000 A lot of people liked that. 0.97

00:01:43.000 What we need to do is we need to have like a bunch of turning point kids just call in, like make it available to them, and we'll just do like a dumb question.

00:01:49.000 Can we turn the tables, do an Ask Gen Z where we try to figure out what is 6'7?

00:01:54.000 Yeah.

00:01:54.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:01:56.000 So, but I mean, just genuinely, I have not had my phone light up like that in a long time.

00:02:02.000 And it was really amazing to be there.

00:02:05.000 Erica Kirk knocked it out of the park with one of the most, I think, morally clear, just inspiring, courageous messages.

00:02:13.000 I mean, we're sort of getting accustomed to her delivering these amazing messages.

00:02:18.000 What a woman. 1.00

00:02:20.000 What a woman. 1.00

00:02:22.000 Blake's famous lie.

00:02:23.000 I mean, listen, and then for Hat to have JD come.

00:02:27.000 Here's what blows me away.

00:02:28.000 You do not see politicians do that.

00:02:30.000 You do not see the vice president of the United States, not in an election year, just get up and take it.

00:02:39.000 It's so old-fashioned.

00:02:40.000 Everyone's so used to politicians being very, so many layers around it.

00:02:44.000 It's the old-fashioned way of doing things.

00:02:46.000 You know, in the 1800s, everyone's talking about the White House.

00:02:48.000 You used to be able to just walk up and knock on the White House front door.

00:02:51.000 You could ask for a meeting with the president.

00:02:54.000 This is kind of a modern version of that.

00:02:55.000 The vice president is out there.

00:02:57.000 You can get access to him.

00:02:58.000 You can ask him questions.

00:02:59.000 It was so raw.

00:03:00.000 I mean, like, they were asking about Israel.

00:03:02.000 They were asking about what about your wife's not, she's brown. 0.99

00:03:07.000 She's not a Christian. 1.00

00:03:08.000 It's so gutsy to take questions like that.

00:03:10.000 And he answered them with such grace and transparency, but yet he was still authoritative.

00:03:16.000 He was on the offense.

00:03:17.000 He never let the question or the questionnaire put him on sort of like the back heel.

00:03:22.000 He was forward pushing the entire time.

00:03:24.000 It was a triumph.

00:03:26.000 It really was.

00:03:27.000 Charlie would be so proud because he believed in JD from a very early day.

00:03:31.000 And we've seen him, he's always had so much promise, but we've also seen him just get better and better and way better.

00:03:38.000 Because he's been, and the way you should get better, which is just getting out there, fighting every day, getting the experience, getting the reps the same way Charlie did.

00:03:46.000 No, totally right.

00:03:47.000 And let's, so let's, without further ado, let's play some of these clips.

00:03:50.000 Let's start with Erica.

00:03:51.000 Now, you know, you hear about the greatest generation.

00:03:56.000 And Erica really wanted to make a point last night that she believes that Gen Z, and by the way, I believe this too.

00:04:02.000 As a millennial, I believe this about you, Gen Z, that you are the courageous generation.

00:04:07.000 My generation is and was sort of like, you know, we're still getting over the Obama hangover or whatever.

00:04:15.000 We got really excited about Obama in 2008 and 2012.

00:04:18.000 Gen Z has a chance to be the courageous generation.

00:04:21.000 And she, almost like in this prophetic, authoritative tone, she spoke right into the heart of Gen Z and said, You are the courageous generation.

00:04:30.000 Play Cut 262.

00:04:31.000 You are the courageous generation.

00:04:34.000 That's what you are.

00:04:36.000 All of you.

00:04:38.000 Gen Z, you are the courageous generation.

00:04:42.000 Hear me when I say that.

00:04:43.000 My husband believed that to his core.

00:04:46.000 That's why he went on campuses.

00:04:48.000 That's why he was trying to reach you.

00:04:52.000 You are the courageous generation.

00:04:54.000 Own it.

00:04:56.000 Make him proud.

00:04:59.000 Yeah, wow.

00:05:00.000 I mean, you could hear her repeat, repeat, repeat.

00:05:03.000 It was almost like she wanted to force their hearts to burst open and believe this thing that Charlie believed about them, that they are the courageous generation, that they really can be a turning point.

00:05:14.000 Not to even use the cliché, but like in a real genuine sense, we're seeing the signs of life from Gen Z that we have not seen in a long time that people didn't believe were possible. 0.85

00:05:23.000 And Charlie, by sheer force of will and pure action, action, action, offense, offense, offense, went into these college campuses, changed the narrative.

00:05:32.000 15 billion social media views later helps get President Trump elected.

00:05:36.000 They were part of that.

00:05:37.000 They are part of the solution.

00:05:38.000 I really believe that.

00:05:40.000 And our job is to keep it going.

00:05:41.000 Erica's job is to keep it going. 1.00

00:05:42.000 JD Vance's job is to keep it going.

00:05:45.000 And to earn it, by the way, Blake, you know this.

00:05:47.000 Charlie's favorite word in the English language was earn.

00:05:50.000 And Erica talked about that last night.

00:05:52.000 I don't know if you saw that clip.

00:05:53.000 If not, we can play it.

00:05:54.000 Yeah, she said that a few times, I think.

00:05:56.000 He loved earn because you're not entitled to anything.

00:06:00.000 He loves the idea of Charlie lived that out more than anyone.

00:06:04.000 Everything is earned.

00:06:05.000 Everything is worked for.

00:06:06.000 And the most meaningful things are worked for.

00:06:08.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:06:08.000 I mean, gosh, Charlie, it's funny because Charlie started off really, really good at a few things.

00:06:14.000 He earned his way to becoming really good at a lot of things.

00:06:18.000 Let's play 261.

00:06:19.000 Charlie loved the word earn.

00:06:22.000 Earn your voice.

00:06:23.000 This is about your legacy.

00:06:26.000 Each one of you in this room, everyone watching.

00:06:28.000 When you earn your voice and you stand up for what is right, that is a part of your legacy, your family's legacy, just as much as it is part of Charlie's legacy.

00:06:40.000 Don't forget that.

00:06:42.000 Don't ever forget that.

00:06:44.000 Because if there's one thing I've learned, especially being with Charlie for the past seven years, it's that the hope we're looking for is not found in Washington.

00:06:56.000 It's not found in media.

00:07:01.000 It's right here.

00:07:02.000 All of you.

00:07:04.000 This is the hope.

00:07:06.000 This is the hope.

00:07:07.000 The kids in that room.

00:07:08.000 I mean, just to put it in perspective here, by the way, and we are going to get to the JD clips, but just to put it in perspective, there's about 27,000 students at Ole Miss.

00:07:19.000 14,000 of them registered for this event.

00:07:22.000 14,000.

00:07:23.000 That arena held 10,000.

00:07:26.000 So we had over half of the student body at Ole Miss registered to come to this event.

00:07:31.000 We had 10,000 students.

00:07:32.000 There was an additional 13,000.

00:07:36.000 Hear me again, 13,000 adults that we had, our team worked with the Ole Miss PR department to communicate with them and say, please do not come.

00:07:45.000 It's going to be rainy and you can't get in.

00:07:47.000 You're not going to get in.

00:07:47.000 Please don't come.

00:07:48.000 They came anyways.

00:07:49.000 See this visual of all the people lining up.

00:07:52.000 And it was like miles long.

00:07:54.000 And so, you know, it's raining, it's soggy.

00:07:57.000 They still lined up.

00:07:58.000 Even when we told them you couldn't come, you know, they wanted to see if they'd get into the standby line.

00:08:02.000 10,000 people in that arena standing for the entire Erica Kirk speech.

00:08:07.000 They did not sit for the entire speech that Erica gave.

00:08:11.000 And then Erica, of course, brings in JD Vance, the vice president of the United States, not an election year, doesn't have to do this.

00:08:18.000 But he takes the questions anyways.

00:08:20.000 Blake, where should we go first?

00:08:22.000 Yeah, there's so many different things he answered.

00:08:25.000 Some of them are pretty tough ones.

00:08:27.000 How about we, you know, let's just do, for example, he took a question on people have highlighted, you know, since immigration, H-1B's immigration from India has become an issue.

00:08:36.000 And he just confoted, you know, he is himself married to an Indian woman.

00:08:39.000 So let's play 260.

00:08:41.000 I am married to the daughter of immigrants who came to the United States in the 1980s.

00:08:45.000 I do believe that some immigrants, many immigrants do, in fact, enrich the United States of America.

00:08:51.000 But here's the problem.

00:08:52.000 We have got, we don't even know how many illegal aliens we have.

00:08:56.000 We don't even know.

00:08:57.000 The best guess is probably 25, 30 million people.

00:09:01.000 I've heard estimates as high as 50 million.

00:09:04.000 When something like that happens, you've got to allow your own society to cohere a little bit, to build a sense of common identity for all the newcomers to assimilate, the ones who are going to stay, to assimilate into American culture. 1.00

00:09:17.000 Until you do that, you've got to be careful about any additional immigration, in my view. 1.00

00:09:22.000 Yeah, I mean, I love that he went right for it.

00:09:25.000 There was actually Usha played a particularly interesting role in some of the questioning, and we can get to some of that.

00:09:32.000 But what stood out to me is that he did not dodge.

00:09:35.000 He did not evade.

00:09:37.000 He answered the question that was asked.

00:09:39.000 He didn't do the PR thing where he sort of pivoted to what he wanted to talk about.

00:09:43.000 Exactly, yeah.

00:09:44.000 And I think that came through.

00:09:45.000 People were blown away by that.

00:09:48.000 And I would just say, people sometimes think that we screen these questions even when Charlie was up there.

00:09:53.000 We don't screen them.

00:09:54.000 We don't do anything.

00:09:54.000 The only screen.

00:09:55.000 We have way too many occasionally awkward moments for it to have been screened.

00:09:58.000 No, exactly.

00:09:59.000 We don't screen any of them.

00:10:00.000 We just say, if you disagree, come to the front of the line.

00:10:03.000 That's it.

00:10:03.000 That's the one rule.

00:10:04.000 So I guess you do screen, but you screen for the hardest ones and the ones they try and trip you up with.

00:10:09.000 And JD, to his credit, he said it on this show when we were at the White House.

00:10:12.000 He said, I want to do what Charlie did.

00:10:14.000 I want to just take questions from the audience.

00:10:17.000 That's how I'm going to honor Charlie.

00:10:18.000 So God bless him for that.

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00:11:27.000 Here's the deal.

00:11:28.000 So he gets this question from, it looks, I mean, I don't want to presume.

00:11:31.000 She could have been from Bangladesh.

00:11:34.000 She could have been Pakistani. 0.98

00:11:36.000 I think she was Indian.

00:11:37.000 I'm not sure.

00:11:38.000 Let's just say I think.

00:11:40.000 So she asked a pretty, like, you could see she was pretty upset.

00:11:42.000 She basically framed the whole question to JD, being like, listen, you guys made us spend our youth.

00:11:48.000 You made us spend our lives believing in the American dream.

00:11:51.000 And now you're doing all this stuff to hurt us and harm us.

00:11:53.000 She didn't define what that was.

00:11:56.000 So JD Vance says, listen, we're not here to say that if the government made a deal with you and you're here legally, that we're here to take that away.

00:12:05.000 But that doesn't mean that in the future, we're just obligated to continue letting in millions and millions of people.

00:12:12.000 Like, oh, we have to have forever let in infinite people.

00:12:15.000 And he went through the history of immigration, the ebbs and the flows, and how we used to do it and how assimilation used to be expected of immigrants.

00:12:22.000 And then this girl, I presume she's a student at Ole Miss.

00:12:25.000 She kept asking follow-up, follow-up questions.

00:12:28.000 And then she tries to get him on the fact that he's a Christian.

00:12:31.000 Usha is not a Christian. 0.89

00:12:32.000 Yeah.

00:12:33.000 So this is going to be two clips.

00:12:34.000 Two clips.

00:12:35.000 Two part answers.

00:12:36.000 Play it consecutively, I think.

00:12:37.000 Yeah, I think we should.

00:12:37.000 285 and then 286.

00:12:39.000 You guys can play them back to back.

00:12:41.000 Yes, my wife did not grow up Christian.

00:12:42.000 I think it's fair to say that she grew up in a Hindu family, but not a particularly religious family in either direction.

00:12:49.000 In fact, when I met my wife, we were both, I would consider myself an agnostic or an atheist, and that's what I think she would have considered herself as well.

00:12:56.000 You know, everybody has to come to their own arrangement here.

00:12:59.000 The way that we've come to our arrangement is she's my best friend.

00:13:02.000 We talk to each other about this stuff.

00:13:04.000 So we decided to raise our kids Christian.

00:13:07.000 Our two oldest kids who go to school, they go to a Christian school.

00:13:10.000 Our eight-year-old did his first communion about a year ago.

00:13:14.000 That's the way that we have come to our arrangement.

00:13:17.000 Now, most Sundays, Usha will come with me to church.

00:13:19.000 As I've told her, and I've said publicly, and I'll say now in front of 10,000 of my closest friends, do I hope eventually that she is somehow moved by the same thing that I was moved in by church?

00:13:31.000 Yeah, I honestly, I do wish that because I believe in the Christian gospel, and I hope eventually my wife comes to see it the same way.

00:13:39.000 Blake, what's your takeaway?

00:13:41.000 I mean, just when was the last time you saw a public figure just talk about their, you know, their families, it's a very personal thing to answer a question about.

00:13:52.000 And he really just plunged into it, gave a pretty, seems to me, a very forthright answer.

00:13:58.000 Seems to me too.

00:13:59.000 We're so, we've gotten, it's almost shocking to see just because we've gotten so used to the, you know, the fake thing.

00:14:05.000 And Nancy Pelosi goes up there and is like, as a devout Catholic, I know that, you know, freedom of choice is extremely important.

00:14:12.000 That's our usual engagement we get on religion from people.

00:14:16.000 It's this very, you know, affected piety.

00:14:20.000 And that definitely didn't come off as affected piety to me.

00:14:23.000 It was, it was gutsy.

00:14:25.000 There are going to be people, I imagine, who like take issues with the answer one way or the other, but he just went at it.

00:14:30.000 Man, I totally agree.

00:14:32.000 It's what a personal thing.

00:14:33.000 It's personal without 10,000 people watching.

00:14:36.000 If somebody was like, well, you're dating a non-Christian dinner. 0.97

00:14:40.000 For him to just do that in front of the world shows a tremendous amount of self-confidence and just self-assuredness.

00:14:46.000 And to your point, I mean, I think he's growing and that has grown in that tremendously over the years.

00:14:50.000 And we've watched it.

00:14:51.000 And it's really satisfying.

00:14:53.000 I just want to keep going with this gal because it seems like most of the articles I've seen from the left that are trying to attack this answer have been about this particular questioner.

00:15:01.000 There was another questioner asked that was dating a foreign visa holder, visa holding student.

00:15:07.000 And, you know, they're like, JD Vance is going to deport this kid's girlfriend.

00:15:11.000 It is like, not at all what he said.

00:15:13.000 It was so funny.

00:15:14.000 But this said something like that.

00:15:16.000 No, I know totally.

00:15:17.000 Charlie would be like, well, she needs to get deported. 1.00

00:15:20.000 Anyways, let's go ahead and play 254.

00:15:22.000 This is talking about how the fact there's too many people, too many immigrants in the country, and we don't owe it to, you know, we actually owe it to Americans to take care of this generation, our people, first and foremost. 1.00

00:15:35.000 That's his job.

00:15:36.000 And I thought it was a great answer, 254.

00:15:38.000 When you talk about too many immigrants here, what is when did you guys decide that number?

00:15:45.000 You are pushing out policies that hurt us.

00:15:49.000 And these policies are not even solving the problems.

00:15:52.000 These policies are just creating.

00:15:56.000 Okay, so again, I'm going to finish answering the question.

00:16:00.000 There's too many people who want to come to the United States of America, and my job as vice president is not to look out for the interests of the whole world. 0.76

00:16:06.000 It's to look out for the people of the United States.

00:16:10.000 Now.

00:16:16.000 Just, I mean, by the way, the crowd erupted.

00:16:19.000 You heard it in the clip, but it was like, if you were there, it was almost deafening.

00:16:23.000 The moral clarity of saying we're going to keep, we're going to take care of our people first, so refreshing.

00:16:29.000 So refreshing.

00:16:30.000 And you actually heard it articulated in detail in the answers.

00:16:33.000 Yeah.

00:16:34.000 And man, it just feels great that think about, you know, we're seeing what Charlie built, which is we could hold an event on a college campus and not, you know, you know, it's not at Hillsdale.

00:16:44.000 It's not at Liberty.

00:16:45.000 It's not at a handful of schools that were very used to being supportive of us.

00:16:48.000 It's a big public university campus, and we could pack it full of people and have them just applaud at something like that.

00:16:54.000 Yeah.

00:16:54.000 Amen.

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00:18:03.000 All right.

00:18:04.000 We're so excited about this.

00:18:05.000 One of my favorite guests of the show, of course, that is Mark Halperin, who I hope for this audience needs no introduction.

00:18:14.000 But Mark, how are you?

00:18:16.000 Yeah, don't tug on Super Ranch Cape.

00:18:18.000 Don't spit in the wind and don't try to take a tax here in Uber in Manhattan between Labor Day and Christmas.

00:18:24.000 I had to jump out of my cabinet.

00:18:28.000 I had to jump out of my cab and I'm sitting in a hotel lobby with a big sign that says no one may use this lobby unless you're a guest in the hotel.

00:18:34.000 So it could have some excitement, some Gotham City excitement showing up.

00:18:39.000 Yeah, I've got to be tried to evict me.

00:18:42.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:18:43.000 Gotham City is where I want to get started, actually, because we have this clip.

00:18:47.000 I saw it earlier this week, and I want to know if it's still holding true.

00:18:52.000 And I believe, here we go.

00:18:54.000 Yeah, it's 134.

00:18:55.000 You were predicting that there was a little bit of APPO research coming down the pike.

00:18:59.000 So let's play your clip 134.

00:19:01.000 By informed Spidey Census, we're going to see at least one more piece of pretty significant opposition research dropped in this race here at the end that will potentially shake things up on one of the candidates, of course.

00:19:13.000 No, on Mamdani.

00:19:16.000 I think will it have an effect on the outcome?

00:19:21.000 If it's what I'm told it is, it would happen.

00:19:24.000 So, Mark, that got a lot of eyeballs across the social media sphere.

00:19:32.000 What is the update?

00:19:33.000 Are we going to see this?

00:19:34.000 Pretty late in the game.

00:19:35.000 That was basically the consensus sort of opinion I was hearing.

00:19:40.000 If they had it, why didn't they release it before?

00:19:42.000 What's the update?

00:19:43.000 Well, it's a little complicated.

00:19:45.000 First of all, in two-way, we try to be transparent, right?

00:19:48.000 We're not old media where we know secret things so we don't tell our audience.

00:19:51.000 I was dealing with the source who I trust over years of dealing.

00:19:55.000 And this person said, we have something.

00:19:57.000 We're not sure we're going to be able to put it out.

00:19:59.000 We've got to square the circle and dot the eyes, but we're trying to.

00:20:04.000 And then two things have come out since I said that, which if Mamdani were being treated like a normal candidate, I think would have had a major impact on the race.

00:20:10.000 But the New York Times in particular is covering him like they covered Barack Obama in 2008.

00:20:15.000 It's all about rainbows and special ponies as opposed to scrutiny of the frontrunner.

00:20:20.000 So one story was a video that never been out as far as I can tell of Mamdani comparing unfavorably the New York City police, who he might be the commander of in a few weeks, with the Israeli army, the Israeli military.

00:20:33.000 So that came out.

00:20:34.000 And then another thing came out since then is mother said that he was not an American, that he didn't really identify as an American.

00:20:43.000 Both of those things, I think, in a normal race, normal coverage would have been explosive. 0.93

00:20:47.000 My source won't tell me if those are the things they were referring to.

00:20:50.000 So there might still be something else, but it's possible that one of those two things, again, which should normally shake up a race, does have it because except for the New York Post and me, not many people are covering these things.

00:21:02.000 Yeah, I mean, that's a pretty shocking thing to admit.

00:21:05.000 I mean, I think it's something, and Blake, we can bring you in here.

00:21:08.000 Blake Neff is joining us here.

00:21:10.000 You know, it's a pretty shocking thing, actually, for the mother of the mayoral candidate in New York City, the largest, greatest city apparently that we have, according to many.

00:21:22.000 And for him to basically have a family member, his mother, say that he doesn't even identify as American.

00:21:29.000 Here's my thought, though, on this: is that essentially you have about, what is it, 60 or is it four?

00:21:35.000 I might be inverting them.

00:21:36.000 It might be a winning strategy.

00:21:37.000 No, exactly.

00:21:38.000 Yeah, the New York electorate is essentially, let's say, half, because it's either 40 or 60%.

00:21:42.000 I'm forgetting off the top of my head, is foreign-born. 0.99

00:21:46.000 So this is not necessarily really that American of a city in its present form and demographics.

00:21:54.000 I mean, that's so maybe, maybe this is actually a net ad for him, Mark.

00:21:58.000 It might be.

00:21:59.000 And, you know, the other thing might be a net ad too.

00:22:01.000 He basically said that the IDF, the Israeli military, laces up the boots of the NYPB and suggests they're both kind of like jack-booted thugs.

00:22:10.000 Again, there'd be some constituency for that.

00:22:13.000 And certainly this is an unorthodox campaign.

00:22:19.000 You know, I've been referring lately regarding Mamdani to Donald Trump's famous, I could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and I wouldn't lose support.

00:22:29.000 What would have to come out about Mamdani for the New York Times to write a front page story about the frontrunner?

00:22:34.000 What would he have to do?

00:22:35.000 Because when they say, well, his mom said this about him when he was in college, he wasn't in college that long ago.

00:22:40.000 He's only 34.

00:22:42.000 So it's not like, you know, total ancient history.

00:22:44.000 So like I said, my source has gone a little dark on me.

00:22:47.000 And there may still be something else, but it's possible that one of those two things were the things they put out.

00:22:53.000 And they had the perspective I did, which is you would think at this point in the campaign, they would be concerned about their place in history for failing to scrutinize the frontrunner.

00:23:03.000 Well, it just strikes me that what could even, you know, we have early voting in New York and he has got, according to the polls, a pretty big lead.

00:23:11.000 What even, let alone New York Times writing about it, just what could possibly actually close that gap in the amount of time that's remaining?

00:23:18.000 And yeah, I kind of feel there might be nothing.

00:23:20.000 Yeah, go ahead, Mark. 0.92

00:23:21.000 Well, well, so two very prominent New York top post columnists have come at and said basically, Andrew Cuomo is a bum, but he's our bum.

00:23:31.000 That they were voting for Suomo, Cindy Adams and Michael Goodwin.

00:23:36.000 And I have seen, again, it's anecdotal, but I have seen and heard from many people, Republicans, who said, I'm just not going to waste my vote on the Republican nominee, Curtis Liwa.

00:23:46.000 I'm going to vote for Cuomo.

00:23:47.000 And the bandwagon effect is not nothing, right?

00:23:50.000 If people think if they vote for Cuomo, they might be able to stop a socialist mayor who they don't want to see.

00:23:55.000 I also think I'm predicting, I don't know this reporting-wise, but I would say I'm predicting.

00:23:59.000 I wouldn't be surprised if there were robocs maybe from Donald Trump and others to Republicans over the weekend saying don't vote for Curtis, you know, vote for Cuomo because it's the only way to save the city.

00:24:10.000 So if you looked at public opinion polls, you'd say the race is over, but it's hard to poll this electorate, right?

00:24:17.000 Because as you know, you try to poll regular voters, people who vote on a reliable basis.

00:24:23.000 A lot of Mamdani supporters wouldn't show up there.

00:24:26.000 So I don't know which way that cuts, but I just know there's some volatility here and Cuomo could get wiped out or it could be quite close.

00:24:33.000 And we're just not going to know till Tuesday.

00:24:36.000 And if it is close, or even if it's, you know, as long as Mamdani gets below 50%, where there's the sense if they'd consolidated fully to beat him, I do feel like there's going to be a lot of questions asked, you know, why was there a failure to fully consolidate the field?

00:24:51.000 And I've heard people complain a lot.

00:24:53.000 There's a lot of pressure that was put on Sliwa to drop out and Republicans to just get behind Cuomo.

00:24:58.000 But I also heard people validly ask, okay, first of all, why is it ever okay to just say, oh, the entire Republican Party has to quit this race because Democrats couldn't get a better, you know, centrist candidate against Mamdani?

00:25:09.000 But also, was anything seriously offered?

00:25:12.000 Like, what was the, was there an incentive given for Republicans or for Sliwa specifically where you will get this concession?

00:25:19.000 You know, this is going to be a much more conservative Cuomo government than it would be otherwise in order to incentivize the creation of that unified Mamdani anti-Mamdani coalition.

00:25:29.000 I've seen Cuomo now go on with Maria Bartaromo and Fox Business, things like that.

00:25:33.000 And Sliwa has claimed, correct me if I'm wrong, Mark, here, but that somebody offered him $10 million to get out of the race.

00:25:40.000 I haven't heard from a policy standpoint the concessions, but it does seem like Cuomo is trying to present himself as more of a centrist.

00:25:47.000 He's been hinting at the fact that there is a civil war within the Democrat Party and that he believes that the far-left Democrats, Democrat socialists, like Momdani are going to destroy the party.

00:26:00.000 Maybe you have more insight for us, Mark.

00:26:02.000 Well, look, Cuomo is not the most liberal member of the party by any means.

00:26:06.000 He's got some very liberal positions on some social issues, but he's not a flaming liberal on economics and certainly not as compared to Mamdani.

00:26:13.000 So, you know, elections are a better choices.

00:26:15.000 There's three people on the ballot who are trying to become mayor.

00:26:18.000 One of them is not going to win is Curtis.

00:26:21.000 And I get why he's staying in.

00:26:23.000 He's having the time of his life.

00:26:24.000 He was very good in both debates and he's enjoying it.

00:26:27.000 So, and apparently, that's worth more than $10 million.

00:26:30.000 So then if you're a voter, your choices are a guy who's a socialist and inexperienced and a guy who's deeply flawed and not particularly well-liked, but is not a socialist and has a lot of experience.

00:26:40.000 So it's a strange election.

00:26:43.000 And Mamdani has not been strong for the last three weeks.

00:26:46.000 He's not strong in the second debate.

00:26:48.000 He's not been strong in interviews.

00:26:50.000 He did a big rally with Bernie Sanders and AOC.

00:26:55.000 Carl Rove has a really interesting comment in the Wall Street Journal today about the speech he gave, basically accusing the city of being anti-Muslim.

00:27:03.000 And he's not closing on like a super skillful mode where he's been mostly campaigned.

00:27:10.000 Who knows how voters will relate to that?

00:27:13.000 But I think the key thing is Curtis's vote.

00:27:17.000 If Curtis Sliwa, who's the Republican nominee, if his vote total is below 10, I think Fuomo can win.

00:27:22.000 But some recent polls had him closer to 20 than to 10.

00:27:25.000 Yeah, well, I was about to say, go up, throw up 274.

00:27:28.000 This is Emerson College's recent poll where it has Momdani at 50%.

00:27:33.000 And then if you add up Cuomo and Sliwa, you're just at 46% with 5% undecided.

00:27:38.000 I suppose if all the undecided's broke for Cuomo and Sliwa got out, maybe they could combine the vote, consolidate the vote, and actually pull ahead.

00:27:47.000 But this is like, you know, what I perceive is going on when you're talking about this new tone from Donnie in the closing weeks of the race here, Mark, is that it's sort of a mask off moment.

00:27:57.000 He thinks he's got this thing in the bag and he's going to, he's, he's reverting to a deeper, more personal held beliefs, you know, that he's going full grievance politics about Islam and his family and 9-11 and all this stuff.

00:28:10.000 That's the best analysis of the race I've heard from anybody in Arizona in a long time.

00:28:15.000 Exactly.

00:28:16.000 Exactly right.

00:28:16.000 The way you just said it's exactly right.

00:28:18.000 And I've talked increasingly to people who are unsettled by the chances, by the prospects of his being there, not even because of his issue positions.

00:28:26.000 They just find his manner to be strange.

00:28:29.000 And we'll see if he does win, if he makes an effort to unify the city. 0.89

00:28:34.000 I do worry, not in the short term, less about his policies, because I still think he's going to have trouble implementing a lot of this stuff he's proposing that a lot of people think is foolish.

00:28:43.000 I just think there's going to be an explosion, explosive reaction from lots of constituents, particularly Jewish New Yorkers who are just truly emotionally unsettled.

00:28:53.000 I call it Mamdani disadrangement syndrome.

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00:30:11.000 And next up on the Megan Kelly Network, Mark, I want to ask you about last night's event with JD Vance and Erica Kirk.

00:30:18.000 We got a two-minute segment here before we welcome back National Radio.

00:30:21.000 You're one of the best out there about, you know, kind of feeling which way the wind is blowing and predicting where it's going.

00:30:28.000 I got inundated, like I've never been inundated by texts and friends and colleagues, people I haven't heard from saying how refreshing last night was for the conservative movement to see Erica and her courage and her grace and JD just taking these questions unscripted.

00:30:43.000 What do you make of it?

00:30:44.000 It's a phenomenal event.

00:30:45.000 And I suppose what I've been saying to people today about it is forget their issue positions.

00:30:50.000 Forget what you think about Turning Point or what you think about the Trump administration.

00:30:54.000 Those are just two extraordinary performers, skillful on their feet, emotional in a positive way, clever, just the whole thing.

00:31:05.000 And I keep warning these Democrats who are dismissive to JD Vance.

00:31:08.000 This guy is maybe he's not in Trump's league or Bill Clinton's league as a political athlete, but he is damn good in getting better.

00:31:15.000 And the two of them together was quite powerful.

00:31:18.000 And I thought what I said on 2A this morning is everyone should watch that.

00:31:22.000 If you haven't watched it, go watch the whole thing because you'll learn a lot about what's going on in this country.

00:31:27.000 You'll learn a lot about the political futures of those of those potential and the political features of those two marquee performers.

00:31:35.000 Yeah, I think it's, you know, something we commented on before you joined us, Mark, was just how much, I mean, we saw JD early and he was good.

00:31:44.000 And Charlie saw it early, and he predicted just how good he was going to be.

00:31:47.000 But we've seen JD grow leaps and bounds.

00:31:50.000 And I would even say since Charlie's assassination, you've seen JD blossom in this whole new way with authority and just a strength of moral clarity.

00:32:01.000 I mean, I don't think we've seen the final evolution of just where he's going to land on this because every time he speaks, it's like it's new.

00:32:11.000 It's more powerful.

00:32:12.000 It's better.

00:32:13.000 Blake, I'm going to throw it to you.

00:32:15.000 You got a question.

00:32:15.000 Yeah.

00:32:16.000 So, Mark, a big thing that's been a topic on the right, especially online, but also in right-wing publications, is this Arctic Frost investigation that the FBI conducted under the Biden administration.

00:32:26.000 And now we're getting more details about it, which is showing, you know, the Biden administration subpoenaed people.

00:32:31.000 It monitored phones.

00:32:33.000 It was looking into a lot of these groups.

00:32:34.000 Tyler Boyer.

00:32:35.000 And including our friend Tyler.

00:32:37.000 And, you know, we were discussing how the press is, will the New York Times cover Mamdani?

00:32:42.000 Well, now we have a lot of conservatives are aggrieved where they're saying the major press is not covering Arctic frost in any way.

00:32:49.000 There's no articles about it.

00:32:50.000 And they believe it should be a much bigger issue.

00:32:52.000 Now, you're good at offering a lot of perspective on these sorts of things.

00:32:56.000 So do you believe this is something where they have a good grievance, or do you believe this is something where they're fixating on something and blowing it up to more than it really is?

00:33:05.000 Well, I didn't cover it this morning on the morning meeting, and I've heard from many people as well.

00:33:09.000 Look, this needs to be looked into.

00:33:11.000 Special counsels are really dangerous to liberty because their whole mandate, their whole reason to be is to investigate people and indict people.

00:33:19.000 And so we always have to worry, particularly now when it involves members of Congress, because that's a co-equal branch, and we don't want any executive branch going after members of Congress who's going to subpoena power and the threat of prosecution or prosecution.

00:33:32.000 So those are dangers at 101 that we need to look at.

00:33:35.000 In this case, I urge everybody to wait a little bit more for the facts.

00:33:39.000 When they say people were investigated or spied on, that's those fancy words for they were investigated under a lawful mandate by the independent counsel.

00:33:50.000 So the fact that they looked at the phone metadata on its face is not a violation of constitutional rights if it was authorized and it seems to have been.

00:34:00.000 So I'm all for the press looking at it.

00:34:01.000 Congress should look at it.

00:34:02.000 There needs to be full disclosure, but people shouldn't jump on the word spying to imbue it with something it doesn't necessarily mean.

00:34:10.000 Well, and it's, you know, you've got Senator Cruz calling for the House to impeach Judge Bosberg, who was involved in the authorization of this inter I would call it spying, but, you know, whatever the word we want to use, but because it was authorized, your point, you make a good point.

00:34:27.000 It does fall within the legal parameters of our system.

00:34:30.000 And so we've got to wait for the facts to come in.

00:34:31.000 But was the case corrupted?

00:34:35.000 Was there political bias that was injected to it?

00:34:37.000 I mean, all those stuff we need to get to the bottom of it.

00:34:40.000 Because here's the thing.

00:34:41.000 Tyler Boyer has been targeted, harassed, prosecuted because of what happened in the aftermath of 2020.

00:34:50.000 And they used that to spy on Turning Point USA, Turning Point Action.

00:34:53.000 So, yeah, we got a dog in this fight, Mark.

00:34:55.000 So we're probably going to be a little more fiery than you, and I understand the difference.

00:35:00.000 I want to finish our conversation.

00:35:01.000 We got about two minutes left here, Mark.

00:35:04.000 Again, seeing which way the winds are blowing, you know, we had Rich Barris, people's pundit, and he's done some polling on this that shows that people are fatigued with international foreign policy, all the Israel talk, all the Russia talk.

00:35:18.000 And while Trump's putting up wins, peace deals, that sort of thing, he was meeting with G yesterday.

00:35:24.000 So he's making good progress, but people want to focus on domestic issues.

00:35:29.000 We're starting to see these layoffs with AI.

00:35:31.000 The entry-level jobs seem to be drying up to some extent.

00:35:35.000 It's going to impact Gen Z. Which way are the winds blowing, Mark? 0.90

00:35:40.000 How is Trump doing?

00:35:41.000 Where are we going?

00:35:42.000 Make sense of it.

00:35:43.000 30,000-foot view, minute and a half to you, Mark.

00:35:46.000 Well, the economy is often talked about as a political issue, but it's more than that.

00:35:49.000 Of course, first and foremost, it's about the real lives of real people.

00:35:52.000 What's the Trump theory of the case in the economy?

00:35:54.000 Less regulation, more energy production and distribution, low prices, and using tariffs to try to get America a stronger place in the world.

00:36:07.000 These are his ideas.

00:36:08.000 It's quite clear what the centerpiece is.

00:36:11.000 Will it work?

00:36:12.000 I think voters will want to see it working, maybe not imperfection, but will it work by the midterm elections when Republicans around the country are going to want to run on the Trump man's economic record?

00:36:22.000 That matters most, not just because pollsters say voters care about the economy.

00:36:26.000 That's the real lives of real people, much less remote than what's happening in Gaza or what's happening in Ukraine.

00:36:32.000 So I think there's a theory of the case there.

00:36:35.000 We have to see if it works.

00:36:36.000 We've had presidents who are economically successful and ones who weren't.

00:36:39.000 And I think it hangs in the balance now for Scott Basson, the vice president, the president.

00:36:43.000 Are they going to be an economically successful set of policies or not?

00:36:46.000 Well, you know what we haven't brought up here, Mark, which strikes me is the government shutdown.

00:36:50.000 We're on day 30 of it.

00:36:51.000 It does have an economic impact, but it also has the snap impact.

00:36:55.000 You know, there's a lot of headwinds here, plus this AI revolution that's drying up a lot of these entry-level jobs.

00:37:01.000 And, you know, I happen to agree with President Trump's theory of the case, but this could be an interesting confluence of just bad timing with some of the AI boom.

00:37:13.000 And I do believe I'm a glass half-full guy.

00:37:15.000 I do think eventually these things are going to shake themselves out in the mix and we're going to have new industries that pop up, new jobs that emerge.

00:37:21.000 But in the short term, it could be painful.

00:37:23.000 So, you know, we're going to see how all this goes.

00:37:26.000 Mark Halbrin, sir.

00:37:28.000 Thank you, my friends.

00:37:28.000 Good to see you guys.

00:37:29.000 Thank you for having me on.

00:37:30.000 Good to see you both.

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