The Charlie Kirk Show - Waging War With the Cartels

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here live from the Bitcoin.com studio.

00:00:04.000 President Donald Trump is willing to declare war on the cartels.

00:00:08.000 Phenomenal news.

00:00:09.000 Then we discuss the census redistricting with Wade Miller.

00:00:12.000 A really important conversation.

00:00:14.000 Promising, promising news from President Donald Trump.

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00:01:25.000 We had an amazing pastor summit yesterday.

00:01:28.000 It's actually still ongoing.

00:01:30.000 Well over 750 pastors from across America in beautiful California.

00:01:38.000 We talked about Marxism.

00:01:40.000 We talked about wokeism.

00:01:41.000 We talked about the church.

00:01:42.000 And we also talked about Islamism.

00:01:44.000 My speech, oh, we talked about a lot of stuff there.

00:01:47.000 It is going to go very viral.

00:01:49.000 We talked about the red-green axis of Muhammadism and Marxism that are working together to strangle and suffocate and submerge Christendom, which is Western civilization, in real time. 0.92

00:02:01.000 It's a critical speech.

00:02:02.000 We're going to talk about that probably later in the hour.

00:02:05.000 But first, I want to get to some breaking news.

00:02:07.000 And this is something we've been waiting for here on this program.

00:02:10.000 It's something that we voted for.

00:02:12.000 It's something that is so beyond necessary, which is that President Donald Trump's entire foreign policy strategy is hemispheric triage.

00:02:21.000 We start with the conflicts furthest away and we work our way towards our own hemisphere.

00:02:27.000 Now, why would you start with the stuff furthest away?

00:02:29.000 Because that's the active combat zones.

00:02:31.000 So you figure out the Iran-Israel situation.

00:02:34.000 President Trump is figuring out the Iran-Hamas situation.

00:02:37.000 He's trying to figure out Russia-Ukraine.

00:02:39.000 He figured out India-Pakistan. 0.96

00:02:40.000 You got Congo-Rwanda. 0.98

00:02:42.000 You're starting to figure out the Cambodian situation.

00:02:46.000 President Donald Trump has a different doctrine.

00:02:49.000 I call it the MAGA doctrine.

00:02:51.000 I wrote a book called the MAGA Doctrine back in 2020 about this exactly, which is the same way that President Monroe, the fifth president, wrote the Monroe Doctrine about hemispheric dominance.

00:03:04.000 President Donald Trump believes the same, that it's one thing to go fight over lands of sand and death abroad.

00:03:12.000 It's completely different to all of a sudden have dominance over your own hemisphere.

00:03:18.000 And if we are honest, the warmongers, the neocons, the Dick Cheneys, the George Bushes, the designers and the architects, the Paul Wolfowitzes of the neoconservative project have ignored our own hemisphere.

00:03:32.000 And quite honestly, at great expense to the American people, because we were told the greatest threat were in the hills of Kandahar, or the greatest threat was in Iraq, or the greatest threat was in the Tigris and the Euphrates, or it was in Damascus, or it was in Libya.

00:03:48.000 And let's be honest, that has been a failed project.

00:03:52.000 The regime change wars the last 20 years, Iraq war, Afghanistan war, meddling in Syria, meddling in Libya.

00:03:59.000 All the while, a different act of war has been killing our fellow countrymen.

00:04:05.000 A different act of war that has been imported, produced, refined, and imported into our own homeland. 0.92

00:04:12.000 And we kind of ignored it, being like, well, we have to make sure we keep the terrorists at bay in the Middle East.

00:04:17.000 No one on this program is pro-terrorist, but excuse me, almost every single community in America has piles of bodies right now in morgues of people that have overdosed from fentanyl, has piles of bodies of people that have died because of the Mexican drug cartels that worked with the Chinese Communist Party.

00:04:38.000 Not to mention the drug smuggling, the human smuggling, the sex slaves, the child slaves.

00:04:44.000 The open border was made possible thanks to the Sinaola drug cartel that changed what they were trafficking from drugs to people.

00:04:52.000 Now, as a side note, I just have to kind of get a little bit of a gut punch in there, which will irritate some of my friends listening.

00:04:58.000 We were told the cartels would grow weaker when we legalized marijuana.

00:05:02.000 Turns out they're stronger, they're richer, they're wealthier, and they just got into heavier produce and more product.

00:05:08.000 The legalization of marijuana did not weaken the cartels, it actually strengthened them and sharpened their resolve.

00:05:14.000 Today, President Donald Trump, breaking news, directs the military to target foreign drug cartels.

00:05:20.000 This is what we voted for, everybody.

00:05:23.000 We want a president to use the full force of our $1 trillion military in this hemisphere.

00:05:30.000 We want them to be focusing on the Sinaola drug cartel.

00:05:34.000 We want them to be focusing on the products, the drugs, the heroin, the cocaine, the things that are undermining and ruining and destroying our own communities.

00:05:48.000 President Donald Trump has ordered the Pentagon to use armed forces to carry out what in the past was considered law enforcement.

00:05:55.000 What could possibly be more important, by the way, than making sure that we have hemispheric dominance?

00:06:01.000 We've used our military for many other different things.

00:06:04.000 We use our military to do airstrikes in Syria, to do airstrikes in Libya.

00:06:08.000 We used our military all across the world.

00:06:11.000 Why don't we use our military to protect our own homeland when it's here?

00:06:15.000 Right now, as I'm doing this program here in Phoenix, Arizona, a couple hundred miles from here is the U.S. southern border.

00:06:21.000 That matters a lot more than the border of Ukraine, the border of Syria, the border of Iraq, the border of Afghanistan, or the borders of Iran.

00:06:28.000 Our military does not exist to fight foreign governments.

00:06:31.000 In this world, there are dangers to Americans that are not just from foreign armies.

00:06:36.000 There are a lot of places in the world where governments are weak.

00:06:39.000 There are places where the land is ruled by bandits, criminals, and warlords.

00:06:43.000 And Mexico is one of those places. 0.97

00:06:45.000 The Mexican government is very weak.

00:06:48.000 Huge swaths of Mexico are ruled by the cartels.

00:06:51.000 They get rich off the drugs, weapons, and people.

00:06:53.000 They have weapons of a small army.

00:06:56.000 They often win battles against Mexican military forces.

00:06:58.000 Now, there is a Mexican Marine Force that fights very hard, and they are not influenced by the cartels, But they are outnumbered, they are outgunned, and they are outmanned many different times.

00:07:09.000 The cartels have countless police and politicians in their pocket, and right now they menace our border routinely.

00:07:16.000 Now, the border is completely secure, so the cartel has to figure out other ways to get product into the United States.

00:07:22.000 But of course, fentanyl overdoses.

00:07:24.000 Tens of thousands of people die via fentanyl.

00:07:27.000 And let me be clear: fentanyl importation into the United States is an act of war.

00:07:33.000 So, what do we have an army?

00:07:34.000 Why do we have a $1 trillion fighting force if we're not willing to use it to defend our own homeland when we used it to invade Iraq, invade Afghanistan, meddle in Syria, meddle in Libya, metal in every other corner of the world?

00:07:50.000 But we're not willing to use it against the Mexican drug cartels.

00:07:54.000 That is changing thanks to President Donald Trump.

00:07:56.000 America has a history of operations like this.

00:07:59.000 220 years ago, we were menaced by the Barbary pirates.

00:08:02.000 They were basically the drug cartels of their day.

00:08:04.000 The line in the Marine Hill, him, to the shores of Tripoli, is about a military campaign we launched against them to stop raids on American shipping.

00:08:14.000 More recently, 110 years ago, we sent the U.S. Army into Mexico to hunt for Pancho Villa.

00:08:20.000 He was a Mexican warlord who raided America and killed American citizens during the Mexican Revolution.

00:08:26.000 And for that matter, eight years ago, President Donald Trump used U.S. forces to crush ISIS in Syria and Iraq.

00:08:35.000 We should not be afraid to use the finest military on the planet, to use the F-22s, the F-35s, to use the bombers, the drones, the UAVs, the Marines, air power, Navy, SEO, special operations, special low-intensity conflict operations.

00:08:49.000 It should be all on the table to go and protect the homeland.

00:08:53.000 If there is a fentanyl processing facility in Mexico, a drone strike should be on the table.

00:08:58.000 We should go to the Mexican government and say, here are 50 sites.

00:09:02.000 If you do nothing about it in the next 24 hours, we're going to come in with superior air power.

00:09:05.000 We're going to start taking out these drug labs, one after the other.

00:09:11.000 We're going to go take out cartel leaders.

00:09:13.000 We're going to go take out the military force that is menacing our nation. 0.73

00:09:19.000 Our military can, this is key, fight these bandit armies.

00:09:24.000 Far more Americans are killed by cartels than ever were killed by Russia or China or North Korea.

00:09:30.000 This is a war that we actually support.

00:09:33.000 Because you know why?

00:09:34.000 This is a war the people of Pittsburgh can feel a connective tissue to.

00:09:38.000 This is a war the people of Marshalton, Iowa can feel a connection to because they have invaded the nation through foreign enemy alien invaders. 0.79

00:09:48.000 They have sent drugs into our communities.

00:09:51.000 We can be supportive of Mexico too.

00:09:53.000 This would not be a war against the Mexican government.

00:09:56.000 We could say to Mexico, hey, if you collaborate with us on the border and on deportations, we'll give you as much support as you need to destroy the cartels.

00:10:03.000 We could work with the good actors and the Mexican government alongside of them to go after them and liberate them from the Seneola drug cartel, who is vicious and brutal and nasty and cruel.

00:10:14.000 They hang people in the streets.

00:10:17.000 They slit their throats and let them bleed out in public.

00:10:21.000 And they have killed hundreds of thousands of Americans. 0.67

00:10:24.000 We are currently spending hundreds of billions of dollars on a war against Russia that President Trump is trying to end.

00:10:29.000 I'm sorry for all the war hawks and the octogenarians in D.C. that are so worried about Russia.

00:10:36.000 Here's a little bit of a fact for you.

00:10:39.000 The Mexican drug cartels with CCP support via drugs have killed an exponentially more amount of people than the Soviet Union or the Russian Federation ever has.

00:10:49.000 Maybe it's time for us to fight the true enemy, which has been killing our fellow countrymen.

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00:11:59.000 President Trump directs military to target foreign drug cartels.

00:12:04.000 The president has ordered the Pentagon to use the armed forces to carry out when the past was considered to be law enforcement.

00:12:09.000 Says here, President Trump has already deployed the National Guard and active duty troops to the southwest border to choke off the flow of drugs as well as immigrants. 1.00

00:12:16.000 They're not immigrants, they're invaders, as well as increase surveillance and drug interdiction efforts. 0.98

00:12:22.000 There's so much news happening, everybody, but this is such a promising development.

00:12:27.000 Understand again, the President Donald Trump MAGA doctrine is: let's settle all these foreign conflicts, and now we're going to go through a lens.

00:12:35.000 And by the way, just so we're clear, we're about, we're not even done with the first chapter of Trump 2.0.

00:12:41.000 And I had a great conversation with him recently about this.

00:12:44.000 I think the second term is just far better and far more energy and far more purpose and far more direction.

00:12:51.000 But there's two big other fights that are happening that are going to happen right around the corner: Panama and Greenland.

00:12:57.000 Those are not done, and they shouldn't be.

00:12:59.000 We need to have some way to broker a deal to get Greenland, and we need to take complete control over Panama because that is the MAGA doctrine. 0.97

00:13:06.000 You see, the MAGA doctrine is understanding the Western hemisphere is ours.

00:13:12.000 It's not the Chinese Communist Party's.

00:13:13.000 It's not the Sinaola drug cartels. 0.93

00:13:15.000 It's not some sort of thug tinpot dictator.

00:13:18.000 And the cool thing about our hemisphere is that we are so above, there is no second place.

00:13:25.000 If you were to look at the Western hemisphere, who would the second most powerful country be?

00:13:30.000 Brazil?

00:13:31.000 Maybe Canada?

00:13:33.000 And I'm not making fun of these countries.

00:13:35.000 It's just we have such a lock and we are so blessed by God Almighty that we can have a complete domination.

00:13:42.000 We can have complete control of this hemisphere as we should.

00:13:48.000 We can ice out the Chinese Communist Party and we need to go country by country and say you have to disassociate your ports of entry, your airports that you've allowed the Chinese Communist Party to build. 0.61

00:13:58.000 Like Lula in Brazil, this guy is taking in billions of dollars of Chinese cash.

00:14:04.000 And understand the Chinese Communist Party, they're very similar to Islamists. 0.99

00:14:07.000 You understand?

00:14:08.000 We have the Marxists, we have the CCP, and we have the Islamists. 0.91

00:14:12.000 And one thing that the Islamists and the CCP have in common is they're trying to take over the West by non-military means. 0.73

00:14:19.000 This is key.

00:14:19.000 You see, we are seeing a civilization where we are inviting our own demise.

00:14:24.000 We're saying, oh, yeah, come on and immigrate because we're a nation of immigrants.

00:14:28.000 Secondly, we have the Chinese Communist Party that's coming and saying, oh, yeah, go up and buy all of our critical infrastructure and buy our companies.

00:14:36.000 And this kind of working in harmony one-two combo of the Chinese Communist Party, Islamist threat, they're working together to take over the Western hemisphere. 0.97

00:14:47.000 And this statement here by President Trump, let me just kind of read here in the New York Times.

00:14:51.000 The U.S. military has conducted anti-drug training, including with Colombian and Mexican troops.

00:14:56.000 Let me be very clear.

00:14:57.000 This is not a war against the Mexican government.

00:14:59.000 No, we want the best people in the Mexican government to be purged and to be liberated from the captivity that they are suffering under from the Mexican drug cartels.

00:15:09.000 This is not a war against the Mexican people at all.

00:15:13.000 No, this is a war against the menace that is not some sort of small thing.

00:15:17.000 This kills tens of thousands of Americans.

00:15:20.000 Drug overdoses are near 100,000 a year.

00:15:25.000 And President Donald Trump is getting those numbers down.

00:15:28.000 Right here, quote, labeling the cartels as terrorist groups allows the United States to use other elements, American power, intelligence agencies, and the DOD to target groups if we have an opportunity to do it.

00:15:39.000 We have to start treating them as armed terrorist organizations, Mark Garubio says.

00:15:43.000 And Mark goes, great, phenomenal.

00:15:45.000 Not simply drug-dealing organizations.

00:15:48.000 This is the key.

00:15:49.000 They are foreign terrorist organizations that should meet the might of the U.S. Air Force, that should meet the might of Navy SEALs.

00:16:00.000 And you think about it, why has it taken so long for us to do this?

00:16:07.000 It's because the neoconservative globalist project, they are more than willing than sending your son or your daughter in some cases to a foreign war thousands of miles away.

00:16:18.000 But the immediate threat right in your face, they ignore.

00:16:22.000 And let's be honest, because for decades, the cartels are actually allies of Washington, D.C.

00:16:28.000 They help smuggle illegals in. 0.99

00:16:30.000 So when they want to replace the native population in this country, the great replacement strategy is made possible thanks to the cartels.

00:16:38.000 The great replacement reality is made possible thanks to the Sinala Drug Cartel and thanks to all of these terrorist organizations.

00:16:47.000 They keep Latin America so chaotic so that every migrant, quote unquote, has an asylum came. 1.00

00:16:53.000 And then we give asylum to actual gang members.

00:16:56.000 Understand that the drug cartels are one of the primary actors, one of the primary components in this machinery that has been the great replacement reality.

00:17:08.000 And President Donald Trump is finally willing to slam it down.

00:17:14.000 If you're going to go be running a fentanyl lab and a single one of those pills goes and kills an American kid in Scottsdale, we will drone strike that fentanyl lab.

00:17:25.000 If you dare try to kill Americans in Columbus, Ohio, we will send in the Navy SEALs.

00:17:31.000 That is the just war theory of our hemisphere.

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00:18:37.000 Joining us now is Wade Miller, Senior Advisor to the Center for Renewing America.

00:18:42.000 We want to talk, Wade, welcome to the program.

00:18:45.000 I want to talk to you about Texas eliminating these race-based districts and also possibly a census.

00:18:51.000 But first, talk about your analysis of the redrawing of the maps in Texas and let's go more broadly.

00:18:56.000 Sure.

00:18:56.000 So, you know, the plan is to get five additional seats.

00:19:00.000 I think Abbott has recently threatened that they're going to go for an additional three if the Democrats won't return.

00:19:06.000 I do think one of the undertold stories of all of this is that the Texas House Speaker, Dustin Burroughs, had everyone in the chamber with the map out of committee already about two weeks ago on Wednesday, not last Wednesday, the Wednesday before, I believe.

00:19:25.000 And he allowed them to adjourn to go meet with Hakeem Jeffries knowing that they were going to leave.

00:19:29.000 So they could have voted on it that night.

00:19:32.000 The Austin establishment there allowed this to happen, allowed Democrats to leave.

00:19:37.000 And now they're putting forward all of these various threats on withholding pay.

00:19:41.000 Of course, Dustin Burroughs, the speaker, said that they're not going to electronically submit their pay for the special session, that they will have to come back and collect those in person.

00:19:52.000 Why are they paying them anyways?

00:19:54.000 They're not even doing simple things like taking away their parking spots, which they could do.

00:19:57.000 They're not removing their chairmanships, which they could do.

00:20:00.000 They've put forward arrest warrants, but they have not really been effectuated.

00:20:04.000 There's some thinking that that's moving forward.

00:20:07.000 And of course, Governor Abbott has threatened to render these seats vacant, but he's doing so through a court process instead of just unilaterally doing it.

00:20:17.000 And our analysis is that Governor Abbott, it's empirically clear what's going on here.

00:20:21.000 They're abandoning their seats.

00:20:23.000 He should just declare them vacant, which would immediately establish quorum, and then they could vote on the maps and pass them.

00:20:31.000 Absent that, if this gets drawn out, I think that the way that we need to handle Texas is that the DOJ and D.C., the Trump administration, sues Texas.

00:20:40.000 Attorney General Ken Paxton in Texas can then enter into a consent decree with the DOJ effectively affirming the maps.

00:20:48.000 And so I think that the DOJ should have that in the back of their minds.

00:20:52.000 If Governor Abbott is not going to be more aggressive on this, if they're just going to kind of punt this around and play games and then just hope that Democrats come back, well, we can't wait months.

00:21:03.000 We need this to move forward.

00:21:04.000 We need to start planning for the next midterm primary elections will be based off of these maps.

00:21:09.000 So there's a lot riding on this, but there's a lot more that could be done to get this map through the finish line.

00:21:14.000 Yeah, look, so Texas is just one prong in a broader strategy.

00:21:17.000 I did have to ask a quick follow-up, though.

00:21:19.000 I love the people of Texas.

00:21:20.000 I love Texas.

00:21:21.000 We have a lot of Texans watching right now.

00:21:23.000 But why is it that the Texas political leaders are so weak while posturing to be so tough?

00:21:29.000 Where is that Texas tough attitude in the political leadership of Texas?

00:21:33.000 Well, I think a lot of these are holdovers from kind of the Bush era politics.

00:21:37.000 And, you know, there's an incentive for the Texas Republican speaker to be a centrist or left of center speaker because he can effectively be the speaker with five or six moderate Republicans supporting him and all the Democrats.

00:21:52.000 Now, they didn't go that route, but that is the power base of the speaker.

00:21:57.000 Anyone who wants to be speaker, all they have to do is say, Democrats vote for me, and I'll get five of my liberal Republican friends.

00:22:04.000 And then all of the rest of the conservatives have no voice.

00:22:06.000 And they all know this.

00:22:07.000 So they all cave.

00:22:09.000 And if they want to get their bills passed, they have to allow this.

00:22:12.000 So there's just a broken process which allows Democrats to drive the leadership of the Texas House.

00:22:18.000 And in terms of Greg Abbott, I mean, I think he's a nice guy, but if you assume that Greg Abbott is going to do the least amount possible while making it sound like he's doing everything possible, 99% of the time you'll be correct.

00:22:31.000 He has very strong rhetoric, but the action on this is very weak.

00:22:34.000 We saw this with Operation Lone Star, the weak use of the invasion declaration, which was in the first two iterations pointless, and then really did nothing at all.

00:22:47.000 And of course, we saw very quickly with the Trump administration, the border just stopped.

00:22:51.000 And there was a lot that, you know, could Abbott have done that?

00:22:54.000 No, but he could have done a lot more to make those numbers go down a lot more, and he just didn't do it.

00:22:59.000 And that's a, I don't know why.

00:23:01.000 I don't know if he wants to be careful, if he's always concerned about elections and moderates and how they'll vote, which you and I both know is always the way that the establishment operates.

00:23:12.000 But it defies logic.

00:23:14.000 I can't fully answer the question.

00:23:16.000 I don't know why they do this, but this is kind of a holdover of an older version of Republicanism, which kind of harkens back to being moderate Democrats at best in many senses and kind of Bush era politics.

00:23:28.000 So Wade, speaking more broadly now, the president, I just want to get a super quick answer.

00:23:32.000 We have some time because I want to dive into this.

00:23:34.000 The president announced the other day that he is ordering a new census.

00:23:37.000 Can he do this constitutionally?

00:23:39.000 Can he say I am doing a new census?

00:23:42.000 Well, this is a technical distinction.

00:23:45.000 He can absolutely republish the prior census, and that would be the correct term is republish.

00:23:51.000 I don't think he's actually calling for a whole new census process.

00:23:55.000 He may be.

00:23:56.000 If he is, yes, you can do that.

00:23:58.000 You can call for a whole new census.

00:23:59.000 There's something else called a mid-decade census that's different.

00:24:03.000 But yes, he could start the process of a whole new census.

00:24:05.000 But I think what he's actually asking for is just republishing the last census with corrected data accounting for all of these various undercounts, overcounts, and we can get into the rest of it, but kind of fraudulent numbers that are in it.

00:24:20.000 So Blake, can you get the Minnesota example?

00:24:22.000 I think Minnesota got an electoral vote based on like 18 extra people.

00:24:25.000 Like that one in particular is just like nakedly fraudulent.

00:24:29.000 But so the president put this out.

00:24:33.000 And so are you saying that we're just going to learn that they just make up numbers?

00:24:38.000 Is that what you're saying?

00:24:39.000 Yes.

00:24:39.000 So part of it is, and we can get into this, but differential privacy effectively scrambles the population data.

00:24:46.000 And then through the actual counting, which the census admits they got massively wrong.

00:24:52.000 The 2010 census was off by about 36,000 total nationwide.

00:24:56.000 Texas alone was undercounted by 560,000.

00:24:59.000 What?

00:25:00.000 A whole bunch of other states were massively undercounted.

00:25:03.000 A whole bunch of blue states were massively overcounted.

00:25:05.000 Is this COVID?

00:25:07.000 Well, they will say that.

00:25:08.000 I think it's for a whole bunch of other reasons that these Obama bureaucrats at the census radically redid the process.

00:25:17.000 Because the Department of Commerce runs it, right?

00:25:19.000 Now, the Census Bureau was moved under commerce.

00:25:23.000 But the same bureaucrats from the Obama administration and prior to that are still there running this.

00:25:28.000 So there's a, I think the Trump administration is aware of this.

00:25:31.000 If not, I hope that they're watching this.

00:25:32.000 But they've got a big problem at the Census Bureau.

00:25:36.000 And we can get into differential privacy.

00:25:38.000 No, we have a problem.

00:25:39.000 We have a lot of time.

00:25:39.000 Keep going.

00:25:40.000 We have to do that.

00:25:42.000 So the way this is supposed to work is they count everything and then they do all of these corrections and just checking the data to make sure that someone who lives in a household and an assisted living center isn't getting counted twice or a college dorm in their home with their parents isn't getting counted twice.

00:25:58.000 And then they have the raw data.

00:25:59.000 That's called the tiger file.

00:26:01.000 The way this should work is they send this data that's accurate to the states.

00:26:05.000 That does not occur.

00:26:06.000 What they do is they run differential privacy.

00:26:09.000 And this has an algorithm which no one has access to except for a few people at the Census Bureau that have a special clearance.

00:26:16.000 And this scrambles the population data.

00:26:19.000 Now, they will say it's for privacy, but really what's going on here is they're moving, and we don't know how much.

00:26:24.000 There's been all of these open source studies on these algorithms.

00:26:29.000 It's not the actual algorithm.

00:26:30.000 They'll call it an open source, but it's not the actual algorithm.

00:26:33.000 And even Harvard has said that this is likely resulting in population data that is being sent to the states that's resulting in unconstitutional outcomes for the purposes of redistricting and apportionment.

00:26:44.000 So if you have state-level data that's accurate down to the block level data, then you can make accurate political districts.

00:26:52.000 You can make congressional districts that accurately count the citizens.

00:26:56.000 But what differential privacy does is it moves the population around in an undetermined amount.

00:27:00.000 It could be a 2% variance.

00:27:02.000 It could be a 40% variance.

00:27:04.000 We actually don't know.

00:27:05.000 And the states don't know and cities don't know and counties don't know.

00:27:09.000 And there's no process for them to actually know because the census would say, if you think that our numbers are wrong, then in the past they've had a process where you can get it corrected.

00:27:18.000 But now because of differential privacy, they can't tell you if it's wrong because that would alert them potentially to how the algorithm works and they won't do that.

00:27:26.000 So now you have, this is really important.

00:27:29.000 The Trump administration wants to count illegals or figure out, ask the question of citizenship so they can determine how many legal citizens are illegal immigrants and how many illegal immigrants are in the United States.

00:27:41.000 If you don't remove differential privacy, but you ask that question, you will get some utility out of it.

00:27:46.000 But differential privacy can move those illegal aliens all over the state so that when it comes time to drawing the maps, you can't actually get as much utility out of it. 0.87

00:27:54.000 It's a big problem.

00:27:56.000 It's a massive problem.

00:27:57.000 And if you count illegals for the purposes of apportionment, that obviously has big impacts on the Electoral College.

00:28:03.000 If you count illegals or the population of illegals for purposes of political districts, even if you don't want to because you just don't know where they're at, then that gives disproportionate amount of voting power to some citizens over other citizens because the cities, the big cities are where, and the suburbs of the big cities are where most of the illegal population lives.

00:28:24.000 So what has happened as a result of the 2020 census is that voting power for Congress has been disproportionately moved to these cities, both through differential privacy and through counting illegal alien populations.

00:28:38.000 And it's depriving rural communities of their electoral power in congressional districts and state house districts and state senate districts.

00:28:46.000 So what does that mean?

00:28:47.000 It means that red districts, rural districts, are way underrepresented in the current congressional maps.

00:28:54.000 I think that there's a massive constitutional problem with the way that the census has been put out to the states for apportionment purposes and then for redistricting purposes.

00:29:03.000 And I think that the Trump administration, Stephen Miller has been very loud about this.

00:29:07.000 They have every legal right and power and every constitutional power to insist that the prior data be corrected, not for partisan gain, but because it just doesn't actually represent the voting power of the various states.

00:29:22.000 By the way, I have an idea, which is what a great olive branch.

00:29:25.000 Let's bring the Elon Doge team back into this.

00:29:27.000 They're data guys.

00:29:28.000 They understand this. 0.95

00:29:29.000 I think we should have big balls. 0.86

00:29:30.000 We should bring Elon.

00:29:31.000 I think that we should say, you know, and I'm happy to reach out to Elon and say, hey, I know that there's been some, you know, tense moments, but I think the whole Elon Brainiac crew there, they are meant for this, right?

00:29:42.000 Elon would crush this.

00:29:43.000 He would have to do it.

00:29:44.000 I'm enough trying to figure out if the Department of Labor is buying staples too expensively.

00:29:48.000 We know that's happening, right?

00:29:50.000 This is civilizational stuff, right?

00:29:51.000 So I think Elon and the whole Doge team, this is a perfect overture.

00:29:55.000 Bring in those super geniuses, bring in that IQ squad.

00:29:59.000 What a high IQ driven Doge squad, Navy SEAL operation team could do with this.

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00:31:07.000 So, I think this is a perfect way to bring in the super geniuses of Doge.

00:31:12.000 What would you have them do?

00:31:13.000 If you were kind of a special government employee and you were in charge of this task force, how would you put 20 rocket scientists to work on this?

00:31:20.000 Well, with the coordination of Doge and Howard Luttnook, who's in charge of commerce, who oversees the Bureau, and he's a very smart man.

00:31:28.000 But I think between those two, I think you would need to remove the current top two or three bureaucrats there.

00:31:35.000 I think that these are holdovers from the Obama administration.

00:31:38.000 They should not be there.

00:31:41.000 They're not in line with the president's vision on this to begin with.

00:31:45.000 We need to bring in our own people, not just Doge, but we have some people that have done a lot of census work for a very long time who know where these skeletons are buried.

00:31:54.000 They know how this works.

00:31:55.000 They would be able to go in there, work with the Doge team to immediately correct this, to immediately fix the differential privacy problem that's in there that masks a lot of this data and moves it around.

00:32:06.000 And again, you know, it's all speculative.

00:32:08.000 It could be a little, it could be an enormous amount.

00:32:11.000 And given all of the scandals and corruption and weaponization of government, I'm not willing to concede that it's not a lot.

00:32:17.000 It could be a substantial amount of corruption in the data from the last census.

00:32:23.000 Either way, we know that there is corruption in the data.

00:32:25.000 That's just inherent in the process.

00:32:27.000 The question is how much?

00:32:28.000 But the Doge team could get in there with their programming people and quickly fix this.

00:32:33.000 I think one of my bigger concerns is that the Commerce Department needs to send a letter notifying the census to retain all of their records, anything related to this work.

00:32:43.000 I don't want to see these bureaucrats start to cover their tracks, delete text messages, delete things to try to cover their tracks on what they've done with this differential privacy corruption.

00:32:54.000 But I think that they would very quickly be able to write the ship on this.

00:32:58.000 And then the administration itself, I think, figured some of this out towards the end of the last administration and tried to fix some of it, but ran into some regulatory hurdles, Administrative Procedures Act problems.

00:33:12.000 I think they've got enough runway.

00:33:13.000 They know what needs to be done on most of this.

00:33:17.000 And then certainly, I hope that if there are any gaps that they read our paper, but I think that they have the legal, constitutional, and statutory basis to fix all of this and then correct the numbers.

00:33:31.000 And then really, we need, in order to get the maximum gain out of all this, there are some things that Congress could do.

00:33:36.000 And they're on our paper.

00:33:38.000 There are minor reforms that would make some of this easier so that the administration doesn't have to go through the APA process on all this kind of stuff moving forward.

00:33:46.000 But the next census, definitely for the 2030 cycle, needs to be fully corrected and account for all of this.

00:33:52.000 But a republishing of the 2020 census, which is completely legal, despite what the left will try to say, is inherently justified by every means just based on the sheer amount of miscounts, overcounts, undercounts, the corruption of differential privacy, the counting of illegals for the purposes of creating political districts.

00:34:12.000 None of this should be permissible.

00:34:13.000 And yet that's exactly what these Obama bureaucrats did on the last census.

00:34:18.000 What state is the worst?

00:34:20.000 What state would be the worst offender?

00:34:23.000 What state is the least accurate?

00:34:24.000 What state did we miss the mark most wildly?

00:34:28.000 Texas was the one that was undercounted the most.

00:34:32.000 And this is another important distinction.

00:34:34.000 There were a lot of errors that the census admitted to.

00:34:37.000 Almost all of them went, in fact, all of them essentially went to the benefit of Democrats and to the detriment of Republicans.

00:34:45.000 I'm, okay, that could be just a chance, but given the totality of the circumstances here, I think that we should assume that that wasn't just by chance.

00:34:55.000 It may be chance, but we should assume that something nefarious was done here.

00:34:58.000 If that is the case, people should be held responsible.

00:35:02.000 Wade Miller for the Center for Renewing America Super Quick Trump on his Truth Social said, quote, what we learned from data from the 2024 election, 30 seconds, what did he mean by that?

00:35:11.000 Well, one, illegals were counted, that there were massive undercounts and overcounts.

00:35:15.000 This was publicly admitted by the Census Bureau in 2021.

00:35:19.000 And also, I think an element of this is differential privacy.

00:35:21.000 The admin knows that they are masking data and that no one, even other federal agencies don't know this.

00:35:29.000 I could come on here and do a whole segment on the ability of municipalities all over the country suing the federal government on not being paid as much as they could because the census undercounted them for purposes of federal grants and federal funds.

00:35:42.000 Wade Miller, thank you so much again from the Center for Renewing America.

00:35:46.000 Thank you.

00:35:47.000 Thanks for having me on.

00:35:48.000 It's time for us to play hardball.

00:35:49.000 That means redoing the census, republishing the census.

00:35:53.000 Minnesota got an extra electoral vote by 26 people.

00:35:57.000 26 people.

00:35:58.000 Obviously fraudulent.

00:36:00.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:36:01.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:36:04.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - August 08, 2025

Waging War With the Cartels

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