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00:02:17.000However, complete capitulation on FISA, Ukraine, lying to us about the border, misleading us on so many different types of legislative fights, zero wins when it comes to spending.
00:02:30.000Citizen Kane, what does CFP Nation have to say about this?
00:02:57.000It was only seven days ago at the Mar-a-Lago event that he had with Mike Johnson, two hours after Johnson had just passed warrantless FISA 702 spying, which Trump wasn't happy with.
00:03:11.000So, you know, this is not just difficult for you and me.
00:03:14.000This has been difficult for everyone, I'm sure, including the president.
00:03:18.000I hadn't seen the news on Paul Gozar adding his name.
00:03:25.000It's, but, you know, your original question was about CFP Nation.
00:03:37.000And they've been ready to get rid of Mike Johnson for a while.
00:03:40.000And probably the thing that angers them most is the Ukraine thing.
00:03:44.000People, you know, I have to explain to people because I feel as though it's probably going to pass, right?
00:03:50.000And so all the time in the open thread, people are talking about $61 billion for Ukraine and $61 billion for, you know, repeating that.
00:03:58.000And I have to remind people, yeah, it's a remarkable amount of money.
00:04:02.000And I have to remind people that part of that is paying Ukraine government salaries, government pensions.
00:04:08.000I know, you know, Johnson and others try to say, hey, this is all, or the majority is going to U.S. weapons manufacturers that will be making the bombs and other things that Zelensky needs.
00:04:21.000But I feel like that's disingenuous because $5 billion alone going, you know, every year to Ukraine government salaries and pensions.
00:05:06.000The operating thesis that we had is that Chuck Schumer and Joe Biden want Ukraine money more than anything else, right, Kane?
00:05:14.000That the thing they want the most is Ukraine money.
00:05:20.000What we didn't realize is that Mike Johnson also wants Ukraine money more than anything else.
00:05:27.000So our negotiator is in harmony with Schumer and Biden.
00:05:32.000And that's what, if you do a little bit of research, Mike Johnson is a neocon.
00:05:36.000He is a cheerleader for the Ukrainian war effort, for the war machine.
00:05:41.000So what Mike Johnson should have done, and this is leverage 101.
00:05:45.000It doesn't matter if you have a one-seat majority or a hundred seat majority on this topic, is that they're telling you, Joe Biden, the regime, they're telling you that they need Ukraine money.
00:05:54.000Now, my theory, Kane, as to why they want the Ukraine money so badly is that last night, breaking news, I think you had it in the stack.
00:06:03.000I'm not sure, that top intel chief says that without the Ukraine money, that Kiev will fall by August.
00:06:10.000They're worried that that will be a political disaster for Joe Biden.
00:06:14.000So there's politics involved in this, that they want to try to get as much cluster bombs, as many missiles, as much heavy artillery as possible to at the very least slow down Putin so that there is not a August or September surprise of the Russian Federation taking over Kiev because they could do everything they possibly can to blame that on Trump, but that will be solely on Joe Biden.
00:06:34.000And it will show that they were unable to broker a peace deal that was 600 miles to the east and they wouldn't have gotten near Kiev.
00:06:42.000So my personal opinion is that they want that money to go to Ukraine, not because they think Ukraine is going to win the war, but that it will prolong the slaughter so that Joe Biden can have a better chance of reelection.
00:06:53.000But I just want to throw it back to you here, Kane.
00:06:55.000We thought that we had a negotiator who wanted southern border security more than Ukrainian border security.
00:07:02.000And what now we have all realized is Mike Johnson is just as much of a warmonger, a neoconservative, a globalist when it comes to foreign policy as Chuck Schumer and Joe Biden.
00:07:18.000Look, I feel like I saw it months ago when Zelensky made his last visit to Congress and he had the one-on-one meetings with Mike Johnson.
00:07:26.000I felt like then, because I was watching Johnson's comments very closely in the day or two after, and I felt like then that he had fallen prey, that he falls prey to this argument of, you know, that everything relies on you, that this is the West standing up to evil and it's God's time.
00:07:45.000In terms of it falling apart before the election, that's a great thought.
00:07:49.000I had a little, you know, that occurred to me about a month ago when I heard a Democrat.
00:07:56.000Was after JD Vance said, look, this is good money after bad.
00:07:59.000This is, you know, the point, JD Vance was saying, look, if Ukraine were winning, if Zelensky were showing progress, if Russia could possibly be moved back, then he might have a different attitude.
00:08:11.000But this is throwing good money after bad.
00:08:14.000And then there was a Democrat comment and a political argument where they said, well, let's just give them one more year, one more year.
00:08:20.000And there was another side comment about politics.
00:08:23.000So that's when it first popped into my head that you're exactly right.
00:09:07.000Foreign aid package was rescued by Democrats on the House floor as they supplied enough votes to start debate on the supplemental, setting legislation on track for passage in the speaker on a slippery path.
00:09:16.000So the Democrats have now bailed it out, Kane.
00:09:19.000The Democrats have now come in and they bailed out the rule with zero border security.
00:09:24.000I'm sorry, no, there is border security.
00:09:31.000Yeah, I have that story in Politico from the stack, actually, how it got moved by the rules committee.
00:09:37.000So now, you know, these next 48 hours, it's going to be all kinds of votes.
00:09:40.000We're going to have Senate voting on FISA with Rand Paul attempt and others, Ron Wyden, a Democrat from Oregon, trying to at least require warrants and also to strike that provision that was thrown in at the end from the House that would greatly broaden NSA spying capabilities.
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00:11:20.000To align yourself with somebody who's obviously a one-term mayor, if he even makes it that far, you better be worrying about your job.
00:11:29.000You better be worrying about your longevity because we're going to vote and we're going to get you out because you ain't doing right by us.
00:11:40.000We have Citizen Kane from citizenfreepress.com.
00:11:45.000Mr. Kane, I want to just comment on this: how anti-fragile, bulletproof Trump's poll numbers are.
00:11:54.000Again, we don't know about the accuracy of the polls, but the trend is the key.
00:11:57.000When you have multiple different polls, Quinnipiak, Rasmussen, Fox News, all across the board that have the same trend line that show that Trump in trial does not take a hit.
00:12:09.000In fact, he's doing better in certain states.
00:12:12.000Kane, we've never seen anything like this.
00:12:16.000And I just pulled up a bunch of the polls.
00:12:18.000So the first thing people, I don't know if you talked about it in the first segment of your show, but Robert Kennedy is officially on the ballot in Michigan.
00:12:43.000I hadn't seen that, that TP action was doing that.
00:12:46.000So with Kennedy in the race officially in Michigan, we can, you know, Kennedy's campaign has said, has promised that they're going to be in all 50 states on all 50 ballots.
00:12:55.000So I'm going to take them at their word for that.
00:12:57.000But with them in Michigan, so there's two polls out there, actually.
00:13:01.000New York Post is quoting a poll that shows Trump leading.
00:13:04.000It's not the Fox News poll, shows Trump leading by three points over Biden in Michigan.
00:13:10.000And then the Fox News poll, which I assume is the one that you're referring to, Trump is leading.
00:13:15.000He increased his lead by a percentage point in March over February.
00:13:19.000And it includes, and he's winning in a five-person race in Michigan as well as just a two-person race.
00:13:26.000So, you know, it is the Nelson-Mandela effect.
00:13:31.000You know, something interesting, Charlie, we forget polls from a year ago, but it was talking about the poll evolution of Trump versus DeSantis.
00:13:40.000And I didn't realize this, but the Trump-DeSantis polls were very, very close before the first indictment of President Trump.
00:13:49.000And they said that apparently a week before that first indictment in Miami, where the Veg flew down, was the only one who spoke publicly in Miami.
00:13:58.000With that first indictment, Trump's lead went from about five points over DeSantis to 20 points over DeSantis within a week, right?
00:14:07.000And so that was the first demonstration, the first manifestation of the Nelson Mandela effect, where you persecute the guy and people are going to notice and they're going to get behind him.
00:14:17.000So, you know, now, as you know, because you read this stuff as closely as I do, so they've, right, the media promised as soon as he was indicted that his poll numbers would go down, right?
00:14:27.000And then when the second indictment happened and the third and the fourth.
00:14:30.000And so now they push that off and said when he's convicted, when he's first convicted, that's when he's finally going to take a dive in the polls.
00:14:39.000So that's what they're praying on with this Alvin Bragg case, that they'll get a conviction from a biased New York jury and they'll be able to test out.
00:14:48.000But hey, I put up an ABC poll earlier this week that showed two-thirds, it was actually a little bit more than two-thirds, 68% of people think Trump did nothing criminal in New York City regarding Stormy Daniels.
00:15:03.000That it's essentially a campaign FEC violation misdemeanor that they bootstrapped to a felony, as Jonathan Turley says.
00:15:12.000So I'm not so sure the Democrats and the media complex are going to be thrilled if they do get a conviction of Trump pending appeal.
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00:17:58.000Yeah, so there was a longtime 25-year veteran of NPR named Yuri Berliner who posted this devastating critique in Barry Weiss's substack, the free press, saying what we've already known as conservatives for many years, that NPR is biased, it's left-wing, it's a monolithic ideological construction rather than a reflection of a broad variety of views representing the American people.
00:18:23.000And so, in the wake of this reporting, I did a little bit of digging and I found that NPR CEO, a woman named Catherine Marr, you know, explicitly in her public statements has said has said she's against the idea of truth, she's against free expression, she's against the open and free internet, and that she has worked with governments to censor content online.
00:18:46.000And so, as I was surfacing all of these views, they made contact with the public, they really exploded into the discourse, and I think provide a window, not just into NPR, but into the soul of America's managerial class.
00:19:03.000I want to talk about that because I'm going to play the piece of tape here that you helped surface and popularize: is that the people in the managerial class post-managerial revolution believe this way?
00:19:16.000Catherine Mayer says that she abandoned a free and open internet when she was running Wikipedia, which is a whole nother problem, by the way.
00:19:24.000The capturing of Wikipedia is a whole different issue.
00:19:28.000I have come to the opinion and the perspective that free and open was a way of looking at the world that was inherently limited relative to what we were trying to achieve.
00:19:38.000Free and open has the best of intentionality, but in the end, what free and open often ended up doing, and particularly in the case of Wikipedia, was really recapitulating many of the same power structures and dynamics that exist offline prior to the advent of the internet.
00:19:53.000The ways in which we ascribe notability often really come from sort of this white male westernized construct around who matters in societies and who is elevated in whose voices.
00:20:05.000And so, some of these ideas of sort of this radical openness really did not end up with the intention, really did not end up living into the intentionality of what openness can be.
00:20:17.000Westernized what Christopher makes sense of this for us.
00:20:21.000So, let's just break it down into its simplest terms.
00:20:24.000I can translate left-wing academic language for the normal person who may not have caught what she's saying.
00:20:30.000She's saying that when Wikipedia was free and open, those were the principles on which the website was established.
00:20:37.000She saw that white men were the most successful in publishing articles and establishing the facts and the pursuit of truth.
00:20:45.000And as, of course, for left-wingers, if white men succeed in a system, that system has to be destroyed.
00:20:51.000And so, she says explicitly that she abandoned the idea that Wikipedia should be a free and open system.
00:20:58.000And I actually went and interviewed the co-founder of Wikipedia, Larry Sanger, yesterday.
00:21:05.000He said this is a total corruption of Wikipedia, led by Catherine Marr.
00:21:10.000And now she's CEO of NPR, the kind of perfect place, the apotheosis of left-wing conventional thought.
00:21:17.000And Larry Sanger, the former co-founder of Wikipedia, said, if NPR wants to have a shred of credibility, it should fire Catherine Maher immediately.
00:21:26.000So, Christopher, I want to play now Cut 93, but before I do, just remind our audience: they are taxpayer-funded.
00:21:34.000This is a project of the federal government.
00:21:36.000How much of our money does NPR receive?
00:21:40.000So, there is this myth that NPR somehow only receives 1% of its funding from the federal government.
00:21:46.000That actually is technically true, but what happens is that the federal government, through the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, sends hundreds of millions of dollars to local NPR stations, and then those local NPR stations send just shy of approximately $100 million a year back to NPR.
00:22:04.000And so, if you actually count the money as a pass-through, in the same way that when you're trying to launder money, you pass it through various organizations, federal taxpayer dollars cover roughly a third of NPR's budget all in.
00:22:18.000And so, if we're going to defund NPR, it would cripple NPR's central organization and cripple all of NPR's affiliates, which are just the government's way of pushing left-wing propaganda into not only Berkeley and Brooklyn and Minneapolis, but even in all those red states and red cities around the country.
00:22:39.000I want to just contradict themselves because they say it's only 1% of their budget and they say, Okay, well, then let's cut it.
00:22:46.000No, no, no, you're going to destroy NPR.
00:22:48.000I said, Wait, but it's only 1% of the budget, I thought.
00:22:50.000So, it's obviously more than 1% of the budget that is getting to them through taxpayer funding because anytime we want to cut it from the federal budget, they say that you're going to destroy all public radio.
00:23:00.000We have to understand they have huge reach on podcasting as well.
00:23:03.000In fact, they're dominant on podcasting and they've diversified successfully into that.
00:23:08.000So, it's not just terrestrial radio, which we love.
00:23:11.000We're on terrestrial radar right now, but it is podcasting as well.
00:23:14.000Let's play CUT 93, where the new taxpayer-funded CEO of National Public Radio, Catherine Maher, says her number one challenge is the First Amendment to the United States.
00:23:28.000The number one challenge here that we see is, of course, the First Amendment in the United States is a fairly robust protection of rights.
00:23:39.000And that is a protection of rights, both for platforms, which I actually think is very important that platforms have those rights to be able to regulate what kind of content they want on their sites.
00:23:47.000But it also means that it is a little bit tricky to really address some of the real challenges of where does bad information come from and sort of the influence peddlers who have made a real market economy around it.
00:24:02.000What she's saying, again, I'll translate, is that the First Amendment is valuable to the extent that it gives media and social media corporations the ability to censor dissent, to censor content that people like Catherine Maher do not like.
00:24:16.000But then she says that it's an impediment.
00:24:19.000It's a problem for her because it protects the individual's right to free speech.
00:24:24.000And so she wants to sanitize the information ecosystem of all dissenting opinion, whether it's on COVID, whether it's on the election integrity, whether it's on other kind of counter narratives that have emerged on the right.
00:24:39.000And she says, you know, the First Amendment, when I wake up every day hoping to sanitize the internet of bad opinion, is really my number one challenge.
00:24:48.000It is shocking that the CEO of a taxpayer-funded, supposedly national, supposedly public, and admittedly radio, is an actual avowed self-described enemy of the First Amendment.
00:25:03.000If this doesn't get congressional Republicans committing right now to defunding NPR, defunding CPB, defunding the propaganda network that was established by Congress many years ago, I'm not really sure what purpose Republicans in Congress serve.
00:25:19.000If Trump wins, if Republicans have a majority of the House and the Senate, we need everyone to commit a total defunding of NPR.
00:25:27.000Let them sell tote bags, let them do whatever they do, but they have to survive without taxpayer dollars.
00:25:32.000Well, Christopher, you've been amazing at successfully lobbying legislators and governors.
00:25:37.000So I'm going to let you take the lead on that.
00:25:39.000I think you could be really, I'll help you any way I can.
00:25:42.000We'll give you the platform, defund NPR.
00:25:45.000But so I want to tell you, I was recently at a fundraiser for Turning Point USA in Palm Springs, very wealthy people.
00:25:52.000And during the dinner conversation, one of our donors is like, yeah, I've been so shocked to learn that NPR is liberal these last couple of days.
00:26:08.000Christopher, it's important to remember that most Americans don't think of them as liberal because they do such a good job of calmly talking into the mic with the beautiful little piano music and the perfectly curated audio.
00:26:34.000But millions of Americans are finally waking up to that, I suppose.
00:26:38.000I think that is right, unfortunately, but I think it's also changing.
00:26:42.000Look, I've talked with many conservative donors who also used to give money to Harvard, used to give money to NPR, used to give money to other Ivy League alma mater.
00:26:52.000And that is changing and it's changing rapidly.
00:26:55.000Look, when we ran the campaign against Harvard, one small note that people didn't realize is that Harvard had to float a $1.5 billion bond.
00:27:06.000Well, Harvard couldn't draw on its $50 billion endowment, which is tied up in long-term investments.
00:27:12.000And because we actually successfully rallied donors to stop giving money to Harvard, they had an immediate cash crunch, an immediate liquidity problem.
00:27:26.000We have to teach them what Harvard is doing.
00:27:28.000We have to teach them what NPR is doing, and then we have to tell them to stop giving money to these institutions that hate them and that would like nothing more than to destroy the country that they would like to see in the future.
00:27:40.000So, can you just also brag on the great work that you've been able to accomplish in Florida, the closing of the DEI offices, specifically University of Florida?
00:27:49.000We have successfully abolished the DEI departments in all public universities in Florida, Texas, just today in Iowa, six states, six states in total.
00:28:00.000And really, the most beautiful kind of culmination of these moments is when university system presidents release the PR statements that they have fired the bureaucrats that were compromising the intellectual integrity of these institutions.
00:28:15.000They fired everyone at the University of Florida's DEI department.
00:28:19.000They fired everyone at the University of Texas's DEI department.
00:28:22.000This is the opening gambit in what I hope is a pink slip revolution.
00:28:27.000We need to fire the left-wing bureaucrats that are ruining our institutions, whether it's the universities, the corporations, or the federal government.
00:28:34.000And we need to send them back to the private sector.
00:28:37.000And, you know, out of the graciousness of our hearts, we should teach them to code.
00:28:41.000And if that doesn't work, we should teach them how to mine cobalt and other rare earth metals.
00:30:41.000So, yeah, this debate was between me representing the opinion that we should return to the founding principles of this country.
00:30:47.000We should continue to be a constitutional republic and that we should recapture our institutions and change our laws to more closely reflect that original vision.
00:30:57.000Curtis's point of view is that we should accelerate the decomposition of this country.
00:31:03.000And from the chaos, he believes that a CEO, tech monarch, will emerge with absolute power to reign over the American people in the same way that George III reigned over us 250 years ago.
00:31:18.000And so I think that Curtis is kind of interesting as a literary figure, as a provocative wielder of metaphors and concepts.
00:31:26.000But his idea that we're going to have a benevolent monarch with absolute power is absolutely preposterous.
00:31:32.000And so I tried to really explain why this is such a dead end ideology.
00:31:38.000And in fact, it's nothing more than just a literary fantasy that he has concocted on his blog that has really no practical implications for American life as it is really lived.
00:32:31.000If history teaches us anything, it's that when you centralize power in the hands of one person, it is almost invariably worse than when you have something along the lines of a republic.
00:32:43.000You know, I think it's doubtful that if Tim Cook, the CEO of Apple, was the dictator of the United States, that it would be better than what we have today.
00:33:21.000The Russian Revolution started a decoupling from, yes, the agrarian model was bad and the czars were not great, but they got something far worse.
00:34:07.000Actually, the responsible and the prudent thing to do is to get up and fight to improve it.
00:34:11.000And even if you are a kind of Yarvonite in your diagnosis, simply retreating from the world of real life and real politics is not going to make you a stronger person, a stronger man.
00:34:22.000It leads you on the path to kind of nihilism and substitutes fantasy for real politics.
00:34:29.000This, while I like Curtis, I've spent some time with him in person.
00:34:35.000I'm skeptical that he'd be able to wield absolute power.
00:34:39.000I saw him in New York actually a few weeks before our written debate.
00:34:43.000He shuffled up to me with his head looking down at the floor, was very apologetic.
00:34:49.000He apologized for attacking me in print.
00:34:51.000And I would say, for someone who thinks he has the pretension to absolute power, but has difficulty making eye contact, it's very hard to take that seriously.
00:35:02.000I will let you guys settle that score.