00:00:48.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:46.000But the point, Charlie, and Matt Gates said it better than anybody I've ever heard on Barbaromo's show yesterday, is that the failure theater has to stop.
00:01:56.000The fakery and the gimmicks need to stop.
00:02:00.000We need to show as Republicans that we can get the job done.
00:02:03.000That means breaking through obstacles and delivering.
00:03:12.000What I think Matt is getting at, though, is that it hasn't yet fulfilled the mandate of the base.
00:03:18.000Is that fair to say, Congressman Bishop?
00:03:21.000Well, it's a little more than that, Charlie.
00:03:23.000The problem over time is there are theater, there's cosmetics, there are messaging bills, there are fakes, there are vows to do things that seem never to be followed through on.
00:03:37.000And that's really what it comes down to.
00:03:43.000You know, this CR over the, I mean, where I broke with Chip Roy and some and my good friend Scott Perry and so forth over this question of a continuing resolution, let's jump to a continuing resolution and put in there that we're going to the border, the HR2 bill and say we're going to cut spending 8% for 30 days.
00:04:02.000I mean, that's, that's, they want to do something to show, to make a message.
00:04:06.000There's nothing wrong with the message, Charlie, but it's time to do something real.
00:04:10.000It's time to show Republican voters that they're, that the trust they repose in the Republican Party in Congress is not misplaced.
00:04:21.000It's not that there aren't excuses, galore, but we can pass appropriations bill, the spending bills, the 12 spending bills to run government in the next year, not because the Senate will check off and President Biden will sign them, but because that's how you set forth a vision and show voters, if they are faithful, that we'll be faithful.
00:04:59.000These committees have done nothing to reduce inflation.
00:05:02.000They've done nothing to actually constrain the Biden government.
00:05:05.000We can set up committees and have hearings and yell at people, but at the end of the day, if we still send the check to fund a weaponized government, having a weaponization subcommittee is little relief to the American people.
00:05:17.000And if any of this was serious, we would be sending out subpoenas and compelling process the way the January 6th committee did.
00:05:25.000We should be operating like them instead.
00:05:27.000We're playing patty cake with the Bidens.
00:05:29.000We're allowing them to get away with it.
00:05:33.000If we were serious, use the power of the purse.
00:05:36.000Okay, so, Congressman, there is this issue then of moderate Republicans saying they're going to team up with Democrats for quote-unquote CR.
00:06:08.000I know that it's tough for loyal Republicans, people who want to see change, to see a dissension among Republicans.
00:06:17.000The one thing I can say that would be worse than that is to see all Republicans linking arms in front of the theater that keeps being performed so that no voter knows where to go to try to make something change in Washington.
00:06:30.000Those who want to see change have to see fighters pursuing that.
00:06:36.000And if someone decides to betray the Republican Party, better that the Republican voter know who it is.
00:06:43.000And I'll just be honest, Congressman, I think it's time to say we need to defund Jack Smith, get what we need for the border, and not paperwork people for the border, okay?
00:07:14.000And then they'll send a bunch of money to New York, which will be essentially welfare payments or to buy some more hotels to house illegals.
00:07:59.000Then you'll get a handful of days before Christmas and they'll do a monster omnibus appropriations bill in which you get a yes or no vote on government, period.
00:08:08.000No opportunity to change anything in any of these agencies.
00:08:12.00012 separate bills governed where you have defense, ag, state and foreign operations.
00:08:20.000The third one slipping on my, oh, this third one is DHS.
00:09:22.000We have this essential argument inside the Republican conference and people will say, we have to show we can govern so that we can be getting support, not only to control the House, we've got to control the Senate, we've got to control the White House for a decade.
00:09:34.000And my answer is, if all you can do is surrender every year since the 90s, you are not possibly going to gain enough confidence from the voter to believe that you should have that scale of control.
00:09:45.000You've got to be willing to fight them out.
00:09:47.000You've got to be willing to do what is necessary to make progress.
00:12:09.000And I think we are on the same playbook currently.
00:12:14.000That is to say, this week we pass appropriations bills.
00:12:18.000And Chiproy's been killing himself getting the rules.
00:12:21.000The rule that will, the single rule that will bring in four bills to the floor at one time for amending and then final votes on each one, a lot of detail to that.
00:12:32.000What we do at the end of the week and whether or not we move a CR or continue with having passed budgets to appropriations bills to cover 73% of the discretionary spending of the bureaucracy, whether that we go and do a short-term CR to get to the rest of it or not, that's going to be the open issue on which there's still uncertainty.
00:12:52.000But the reason this happens, Charlie, the reason people get in greater disarray and some say, wow, we've just now got to give up.
00:13:48.000Therefore, you keep the quote-unquote government open.
00:13:51.000Is that something that's being entertained?
00:13:52.000Because, again, that doesn't structurally solve the problem, but it also will quell the chattering from these good-for-nothing moderates to get them back to the table saying, look, we'll do this a week or two at a time, but we're going to get to a place where we cut funding, where we cut spending, Congressman.
00:14:10.000As far as I am concerned, maybe so, Charlie, but there are several who say, no, once you're on the continuing resolution slippery slope, they'll be one after another until Christmas.
00:14:21.000It'll provide the excuse that those handful of so-called moderates need to join in with the Democrats and do it until we get to Christmas.
00:14:30.000So it's a very hard call, and we're going to see.
00:14:34.000But I think the bright spot is we're going to move appropriations bills on the floor this week.
00:15:35.000So he said he's going to take that out as a separate issue because Marjorie Taylor Greene is, you know, I've been on the same position as Marjorie and my other conservatives all along that that is something which should not be happening.
00:15:46.000Now, when you talk about Republicans getting along, I'm willing to set that issue aside and pass the defense appropriations bill as long as we're passing appropriations bills.
00:15:54.000Marjorie said appropriately, it doesn't belong in there.
00:16:08.000And the argument once you introduce a 30-day extension is it works actually against the moderates, which actually might put them to a table because they say, well, this might hurt us in reelection.
00:16:19.000Well, yeah, if you don't get a deal done and it keeps going, you're getting closer and closer to reelection.
00:16:34.000Nothing's happened other than this, continuing resolutions and omnibus appropriations bills for the last 25 years.
00:16:40.000So those who say that's the way to go, I mean, there's some people who believe that.
00:16:44.000But I'm telling you, I'm telling all of your viewers and listeners, it's evident to me that Republicans are drifting downward and that the people are very impatient and expect them to show a distinctive and different direction.
00:20:01.000How bad is it now, Alex, versus even six or seven years ago when you guys were sounding the alarm?
00:20:08.000Yeah, this is one thing that's been, in a way, very heartening in the sense that conservative media has really understood this to be a major issue.
00:20:17.000Charlie, back when you were probably in middle school sometime in about 2014 or so, people did not understand that this is an existential threat to America, the fact that we have an open border.
00:20:32.000And the Republican Party, which used to be a purely open borders party, is now the voters get it.
00:20:38.000The voters understand that we need to secure the border that needs to be a top-tier issue, if not the number one issue in the country.
00:20:45.000But unfortunately, the donor class plus the entirety of the Democrat establishment all want the borders as open as possible.
00:20:52.000And periodically, we just see this come up in the news, and it just boggles the mind that we can't get people on board for actually having a border.
00:21:01.000Charlie, if we were fighting for a border in Ukraine against Russia, then all of a sudden everyone's really interested.
00:21:05.000But our southern border, yeah, it's all of a sudden you can't get people's attention.
00:21:09.000So just from a volume of people, they're saying 8,500 people in one day in Eagle Pass, Texas.
00:21:16.000Is it fair to say, Alex, that the current administration is facilitating the entry of these people into the country, not trying to repel them?
00:21:29.000In fact, that they have exact language.
00:21:32.000Biden is actually justified making it easy to get people into the country.
00:21:37.000We're significantly expanding legal pathways to entry so businesses can get the workers they need.
00:21:43.000Do businesses need more workers right now, Charlie?
00:21:46.000No, the unemployment rate is in is probably too low at the moment.
00:21:50.000And the Fed has been trying to deal with this.
00:21:52.000And it's part of the reason why we're having this massive inflation is that we have all these people in the country that are already working super low-paying jobs.
00:21:59.000And we don't need more competition imported.
00:22:02.000And yet the Biden administration is specifically stating that that's part of their goal.
00:22:07.000So they're even being open about it at this point, that they want more people in and they want to get them in as fast as possible.
00:22:12.000And remember, the people showing up, they don't think of themselves as illegal aliens.
00:22:15.000They think of themselves as migrants who are going to try for asylum.
00:22:19.000They're going to get caught and released into the country, catch and release, as Trump has been known to say.
00:22:23.000They go into the country and then they're essentially legal until their court date comes up, which they will inevitably miss.
00:23:28.000You cannot thrive in this country without English.
00:23:30.000And if you want to create a path for people to have a culture, it's start to the language.
00:23:36.000And it's great if you know multiple languages, but to play up that we're learning Spanish, we know that is to undermine learning English very well, which last I checked.
00:23:44.000I don't think we're doing very well in the English department these days.
00:23:47.000No, and I mean, our original documents, our founding documents are in English.
00:23:52.000And if you do not have the language, which is the medium to tie people together, then you are a nation of strangers by definition.
00:25:16.000He was lending time to the journalist.
00:25:19.000He should have been reading the Iliad is what he would have liked to have been doing instead of doing the interview.
00:25:24.000Which I look, I'm all for reading the Iliad, but he's supposed to be working on roads and bridges and trains.
00:25:29.000We've never trained a railman, I think, just this week, Charlie.
00:25:31.000It's just the guy is an empty suit, the definition of it.
00:25:35.000But I have to say, that is a quotable quote, if there ever was one.
00:25:39.000So let's talk about the border from this perspective, Alex.
00:25:42.000I was just in Texas, in Hill Country, Texas, and they are very, very fired up that Greg Abbott is not doing nearly enough to secure the border.
00:25:53.000So talk about states because now states are going to have to become the place where the rubber meets the road for the border in the short term.
00:26:03.000There's only one out of four border states that is controlled by Republicans.
00:26:09.000What else can Greg Abbott do to at least repel the invasion happening in Texas?
00:26:16.000You know, it's interesting because I asked JD Vance about this when I was hosting for you, Charlie, when you were on vacation a few months ago.
00:26:23.000And I asked him if Ohio is a border state, and he immediately said yes.
00:26:26.000And that's the mentality that everyone needs to have in this country is that we're all border states.
00:26:30.000Just ask New York right now, where they're talking about now bringing the National Guard.
00:26:35.000Mayor Adams looks like he has no idea what's going on, that he thought that you could just get away with declaring yourself sanctuary city and not having to deal with illegal aliens.
00:26:44.000But Republicans in the House are, they have an opportunity to do this because they can use the power of the first to try to negotiate an end to catch and release.
00:26:54.000And I think that that would be the start.
00:26:56.000So I think they've got to hold firm on that.
00:26:58.000Catch and release has to end in the next budget, or else we're going to continue to see a surge.
00:27:04.000But in the meantime, states need to do whatever they can short of acts of violence, which are, of course, wrong, but also are used politically against our side.
00:27:14.000But they need to do whatever they can to get resources down there and to make this the biggest media circus they can.
00:27:21.000And that's why the busing was so good and the flying planes of people in Migrants' Vineyard.
00:27:25.000All of that has to be done, every tactic necessary in order to draw attention to this issue.
00:27:31.000But what they're getting, what they're seeing, which I'm encouraged by, is they're understanding the humanitarian element of this and they're understanding that this is suppressing Americans' wages and it's suppressing Americans' lifestyles.
00:27:42.000And once that happens, once that comes through, it's going to be a universal issue on the right.
00:27:46.000And a lot of Democrats who are facing reelection, they're going to see that as an issue that's going to be a threat to their careers.
00:27:53.000So let's talk about the budget fight then with immigration.
00:27:55.000You've been covering this for a while, you know, Breitbart News, DC.
00:28:00.000What wisdom can you give, Alex, from covering shutdowns before, covering DC negotiations and asking for the order?
00:28:08.000So walk through that because Republicans, it's a Chinese fire drill, as I said with Congressman Dan Bishop.
00:29:00.000And I think right now, I don't see how it plays out, but I'm all for me personally.
00:29:07.000I don't think shutdowns work out well for Republicans in general.
00:29:10.000But as a news person, I love seeing the food fight.
00:29:13.000I love seeing people go at each other and declare what's important to them on the right and have it out.
00:29:18.000I've always thrived in that environment as editor of Breitbart.
00:29:21.000But I do have bad news for the people who are sort of rooting for a shutdown that it usually doesn't work out.
00:29:26.000I wish it did sometimes, but it usually doesn't.
00:29:28.000And this is one thing that I don't think it's going to be any different this time around if we get to that point.
00:29:33.000So then tactically from doing this for over a decade and really covering it, Alex, how should the Republicans then approach this?
00:29:39.000And how do we then get Democrats to the table to get some form of a victory?
00:29:44.000I think if you're wanting to bring Democrats to the table, you've got to isolate those people who if the polls are what they are, and regardless of cheap by mail, regardless of now, you know, the automatic voter registrations that are popping up that are going to be massive, massive advantages for Democrats.
00:29:59.000You've got to isolate the ones who you think are going to lose with this map and try to bring them along.
00:30:05.000Try to get them to be, try to get them to the horse trade.
00:30:11.000And that's what these things come down to.
00:30:12.000I wish it wasn't like that, Charlie, and I rail on this in Breaking Biden about how these omnibus packages we have, these massive spending cuts where we're negotiating every last thing for salmon fishermen at the same time we're talking about defense.
00:30:25.000It's absurd, but it is the way the current system operates.
00:30:28.000So you've got to get to these people because the Republicans have a lot of power in the current House environment.
00:30:33.000And if they don't deliver some major victories, the constituents have a right to be very mad.
00:30:38.000Alex Marlow, Breaking Biden is the book.
00:30:41.000That's what we're going to do next week.
00:30:43.000But also check out Breitbart News and Breitbart News.
00:31:26.000I don't know if that poll is just an outlier, but certainly conservatives cannot act as though that is the reality because we know about cheap by mails, we've talked about a lot.
00:31:38.000We know about the game of getting ballots in a ballot box with Charlie, as you've talked about as well as anyone.
00:31:43.000And then now they're doing these things like adding the automatic voter registration in more areas.
00:31:48.000Republicans have an uphill climb, though it does seem that if you compare the polling to 2020 and 2016 overall, Trump is looking more favorable.
00:31:58.000And a couple of key issues, particularly the Biden inflation and particularly migration, as we just talked about, Republicans have the more and Trump in particular has the more favored position.
00:32:08.000So I think there's a lot of bright spots here.
00:32:10.000But if anyone is thinking that Trump is cakewalking right now, I think they're very, very much more optimistic than I am.
00:32:18.000Yeah, and it's going to come down to the boring stuff in all of the key states, ballot chasing, voter registration, signature verification thresholds.
00:33:39.000And he still got, you know, supposedly 81 million votes.
00:33:43.000So it is at least he tallied 81 million votes.
00:33:46.000So the point is, is that a very unenthusiastic voter counts exactly as much as a super enthusiastic voter.
00:33:52.000So the name of the game is raw numbers, not as enthusiasm.
00:33:56.000But that said, it's not a bad sign overall in terms of the culture.
00:34:00.000And I think when people realize, when people have breaken down for them what Biden has done to their lives personally, minority voters in particular, that he's got a long history of racism, that he has not helped minority communities.
00:34:13.000I do think that their enthusiasm is going to fall off a lot even more than already is.