The Charlie Kirk Show - June 05, 2025


War, Peace, or Doom?


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In this episode, David Sachs joins me to talk about the Russian drone strike on Ukraine, and why it may have been ordered by the Putin administration. We also talk about artificial intelligence and David Mamet's new book, Disentitlement.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here, live from the Bitcoin.com studio.
00:00:04.000 Are we going to war because of a Pearl Harbor type event in Russia?
00:00:07.000 Is nuclear war looming because of a drone strike in Russia?
00:00:11.000 David Sachs explains what's going on with Russia-Ukraine.
00:00:15.000 Is artificial intelligence going to take over the world?
00:00:17.000 We talk about that as well.
00:00:19.000 And then legendary playwright David Mamet talks about the state of the West with his new great book, Disentitlement.
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00:01:41.000 Joining us now is a great friend and a clear thinker, an AI and crypto czar, and also one of the few people that I turn to whenever there is confusion on the Russian-Ukrainian situation, David Sachs.
00:01:52.000 David, great to see you.
00:01:52.000 Thank you so much for taking the time.
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00:01:58.000 David, let's just get back to the facts here so our audience can think about this correctly.
00:02:03.000 What exactly happened?
00:02:04.000 Zelensky launched a surprise drone strike attack into the interior of Russia.
00:02:08.000 Reports are saying that this is 30% of their nuclear potential bombing capabilities.
00:02:14.000 Some people are comparing it to Pearl Harbor.
00:02:17.000 Let's just start there.
00:02:18.000 What exactly factually happened when Zelensky approved this drone strike against Russia?
00:02:24.000 Well, the Ukrainians started planning this, apparently, over an 18-month period or so, they said.
00:02:29.000 And what they did is they smuggled in, I think, several civilian trucks that were stocked with drones, and they were able to get them near Russian Air Force bases, some of which were thousands of miles away, you know, all the way on the east coast of Russia.
00:02:46.000 And in a coordinated fashion, they released their drones.
00:02:50.000 They must have smuggled operators into the country as well, because these are not autonomous drones.
00:02:55.000 They're human-operated.
00:02:56.000 And I think the operators must have been relatively close to these Air Force bases, and they were able to simultaneously attack.
00:03:04.000 Several of these bases and attack a number of these bombers that were on the ground.
00:03:10.000 Now, I think the number of about 40 bombers destroyed and 30 percent that I think is exaggerated.
00:03:16.000 The articles that I've seen that, again, we don't know for sure, but the ones that I've seen seem to think that around 10 of these bombers were either destroyed or significantly damaged, which is still a.
00:03:35.000 Okay, that's helpful to know.
00:03:37.000 So the people that are saying that this is a precipice of World War III might be a little bit leaning in on the over-exaggeration and hyperbole.
00:03:47.000 A couple of days prior, David, Zelensky met with an American delegation of Senator Blumenthal and Lindsey Graham.
00:03:54.000 Do we have any evidence that...
00:04:05.000 No, I don't think – I haven't seen any evidence that would say that the Americans were involved and the White House has said that President Trump was not notified about it.
00:04:14.000 So I don't have any more information than that.
00:04:17.000 But look, I understand your suspicion.
00:04:19.000 A level deeper.
00:04:21.000 Yeah, no, I mean, the suspicion is rather glaring, right?
00:04:24.000 I mean, it's just the coincidence.
00:04:26.000 The timing is rather hard to stomach.
00:04:30.000 So, David, then where does this lead us?
00:04:32.000 Is it fair to say that this war is escalating, not de-escalating?
00:04:35.000 And has Russia retaliated against this strike so far?
00:04:40.000 Charlie, it's definitely an escalation.
00:04:42.000 You recall that during the Biden administration, for a couple of years, they were debating whether to allow the Ukrainians to use American and NATO weapons to launch attacks inside of Russia.
00:04:52.000 And then finally, in the last couple of months of the Biden administration, they allowed such attacks.
00:04:58.000 And it was considered to be a major escalation.
00:05:00.000 At the time.
00:05:01.000 And now we not only have attacks inside of Russia, we have attacks on Russia's nuclear triad. 0.54
00:05:07.000 By the way, the reason why these planes were out in the open this way, just sitting on a runway, is not because the Russians are stupid or something like that.
00:05:15.000 It's because under the nuclear arms control treaties, Stark and SALT II, Both the U.S. and the Russians are required to keep their nuclear bomber fleets sort of exposed in a way that the other side can kind of count them and see where they are.
00:05:30.000 So, you know, this attack will undermine the nuclear arms control treaties because the Russians would have to be pretty dumb now to keep their air assets just sitting on a runway like this.
00:05:41.000 That's such an important point, David.
00:05:44.000 That's super important.
00:05:45.000 So it is a pretty big escalation here because the Russians – Obviously, the Ukrainians aren't going to respect those. 0.98
00:06:00.000 And so now they're going to be incentivized to stop abiding by the terms of those treaties, which is quite unfortunate.
00:06:08.000 So this is an escalation, and we have to see how the Russians are going to head back.
00:06:13.000 And so the question then is, where does this leave the peace talks in Istanbul?
00:06:19.000 And where does this leave the United States of America?
00:06:22.000 This is not the best timing for those of us that want to see an end to this war, as we are seeing this massive drone strike.
00:06:30.000 And then, of course, Russia is saying, well, why are we even abiding by this treaty?
00:06:34.000 President Trump is signaling that he's frustrated with both parties.
00:06:37.000 What is the best possible realistic outcome in the coming weeks that we can expect now that it looks like we're heading towards another summer killing season?
00:06:45.000 Well, Charlie, in order for there to be a peace deal, there has to be some sort of overlap in what the two sides are willing to accept.
00:06:53.000 And I just don't see what that is at the present time.
00:06:56.000 The Ukrainians have said that they won't give up a square inch of territory.
00:07:00.000 I mean, that's what they've said.
00:07:02.000 And the Russians have said that they are not willing to agree to a ceasefire.
00:07:08.000 They want a permanent peace deal.
00:07:10.000 They think that a ceasefire would be the equivalent of trying to call time out in the middle of a war, and the Ukrainians will just use that time to regroup and rearm and take a losing position and fortify it.
00:07:22.000 So, you know, there doesn't appear to be a, you might say, like a contractual, somewhere for the two parties to agree on.
00:07:30.000 Again, the Ukrainians are unwilling to agree to a permanent peace that recognizes this de facto loss of territory, and they still think they're going to win the war. 0.91
00:07:38.000 That's what they're saying.
00:07:40.000 And the Russians are unwilling to accept a peace that doesn't address what they call the root causes of the conflict.
00:07:45.000 So I think that President Trump is maybe the only party here who genuinely wants peace.
00:07:51.000 I think he's doing everything he can to try and engineer a peace deal.
00:07:55.000 But I'm not sure that, again, that the parties themselves are interested in that deal.
00:08:01.000 Or they both want peace on their terms, and those terms are irreconcilable.
00:08:05.000 So I just see the war...
00:08:08.000 Just to step back for a second, Charlie, I mean, here's my larger frame on the war, is that there's really two wars going on.
00:08:15.000 There's the war of attrition, which is the war that the Russians are fighting, and its purpose is to demilitarize Ukraine.
00:08:20.000 And they're running a very slow, methodical, but ultimately efficient meat grinder operation that is killing roughly 20,000 Ukrainians a month and destroying their population. 0.97
00:08:33.000 That's what the Russians are doing. 0.98
00:08:34.000 The Ukrainians are fighting a slightly different kind of war.
00:08:37.000 They're fighting a PR war.
00:08:38.000 They want to create perceptual victories that they can use in the media to try and convince their Western backers that this war is not lost, that they can win this war.
00:08:50.000 Because the second that Western support for Ukraine ends, the war is over.
00:08:54.000 I mean, so it's of the highest priority for the Ukrainians to keep the And so you saw a really extreme example of this earlier in the year with the Kursk offensive. 0.96
00:09:08.000 This was an offensive that ultimately yielded no military benefit to Ukraine.
00:09:13.000 In fact, they lost something like 75,000 men.
00:09:15.000 Hundreds of vehicles were destroyed.
00:09:17.000 They took hundreds of miles of undefended Russian territory that was non-strategic, and then ultimately they were pushed back.
00:09:24.000 In the early days of this offensive, it was sold as a big humiliation of Putin that they were able to take Russian territory.
00:09:30.000 And this was sold in the media as a big victory for Ukraine.
00:09:33.000 And then when they were pushed out of And so this is the type of PR victory that Ukraine has been prioritizing in the war.
00:09:46.000 Now, this attack on the Russian bomber fleet, I would say, is somewhere in between.
00:09:50.000 There is some tactical benefit to Ukraine, and it didn't cost them very much.
00:09:54.000 And it was a surprise to the Russians.
00:09:57.000 The question is just how repeatable it is.
00:09:59.000 If they could do 100 of these attacks, that might impose costs on Russia that could change.
00:10:04.000 Russia's behavior in the war.
00:10:06.000 It might actually get Russia to escalate.
00:10:07.000 But in any event, that might be a game changer.
00:10:10.000 But there's no evidence they're able to wage 100 of these attacks.
00:10:15.000 This appears to be more of a one-off that caught the Russians off guard, surprised them, and now they're going to basically plug those holes.
00:10:22.000 So what is my point here?
00:10:24.000 My point is that there's a war of attrition going on in which Ukraine is losing and Russia has all the advantages. 0.99
00:10:30.000 They have more men.
00:10:32.000 More firepower, more artillery, even more drones, and more air power.
00:10:38.000 And so the Ukrainians are on a course to basically lose this war.
00:10:42.000 And so in response to that, the Ukrainians are fighting a PR war in which they try to convince their Western backers to keep supporting them. 0.90
00:10:49.000 It's a little bit like in the Hunger Games, where the plucky hero has to keep playing to the cameras in order to get the support of the capital.
00:10:56.000 And so this is what you see.
00:10:57.000 You saw Lindsey Graham there at the press conference in Kiev saying that Ukraine is going to win this war.
00:11:03.000 I don't believe this is Russian propaganda that they're not. 0.95
00:11:05.000 And I think the big danger here is just that somehow that Western publics are given this false sense that this war is winnable.
00:11:14.000 And I just don't think that that it is.
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00:12:25.000 So David, I want to talk about artificial intelligence and some of the doomerism.
00:12:29.000 Some people are talking about how it's going to take over the world and it's going to...
00:12:37.000 What is your take on the promise?
00:12:39.000 What is the optimistic take on artificial intelligence?
00:12:42.000 Well, I think the optimistic take is that it's a great opportunity that this is going to lead to enormous productivity.
00:12:49.000 We need a productivity boom in our economy if we're going to get out of this massive amount of debt that we're in.
00:12:54.000 And these tools are going to be incredibly powerful assistants that essentially power up employees, that these AI digital assistants, these AI agents are going to make employees more productive.
00:13:08.000 You're already seeing that in coding, for example, that there's all these new coding assistant tools that have really exploded in popularity.
00:13:15.000 And at the current time, they don't replace coders.
00:13:20.000 But they make them more productive.
00:13:21.000 And so coders really love them, and that's why they're taking off.
00:13:24.000 So I think the optimistic take here is the AI works for us.
00:13:28.000 And then the pessimistic take is that the disruption is so large that the humans can't keep up, essentially, would be the pessimistic take.
00:13:36.000 Yeah, and so do you think that at any point in time there is a chance to – Should there be a consolidation?
00:13:47.000 What do you make about this Whisper campaign that we already have reached artificial general intelligence and there is sentience, but we don't know it yet?
00:13:56.000 For example, ChatGPT news came out last week that there was a kill switch built within ChatGPT and the large language model basically overrode it.
00:14:06.000 What is your response to that kind of doomerism that this technology is going to get wildly out of control?
00:14:11.000 No, there's no evidence whatsoever of the AI ascension.
00:14:13.000 It's not.
00:14:14.000 We're not anywhere close to that.
00:14:16.000 Could we get to that point in the future?
00:14:18.000 There is a potential risk of that.
00:14:20.000 I'm not going to deny that.
00:14:21.000 It's very hard to put a percentage on that.
00:14:24.000 Obviously, it's been vividly portrayed in movies, things like that.
00:14:27.000 But people are acting like that's a guaranteed scenario, and I don't think you can know that.
00:14:33.000 I think it's very important for your viewers to understand that the so-called doomerism is not this grassroots sort of concern that's emerged.
00:14:45.000 It's a very well-funded, top-down, astroturfed campaign that's being waged by so-called effective altruist organizations.
00:14:56.000 And they're funded by a few very wealthy, very left-wing Silicon Valley technologies.
00:15:19.000 On AI.
00:15:21.000 And part of the goal here is regulatory capture for their companies.
00:15:24.000 Part of the goal is that these left-wing billionaires basically just believe in government control over everything.
00:15:29.000 And in fact, they not only want national AI controls, they want international AI controls.
00:15:34.000 And they want to basically empower globalist institutions to run these controls.
00:15:40.000 So it's global AI governance here is the goal.
00:15:43.000 And the tactic is to try and scare us into having such fear of AI that we're basically willing to hand this enormous power to the government and to these globalist institutions.
00:15:55.000 I think there are legitimate concerns about AI.
00:15:58.000 The future is unknown, and that can be scary.
00:16:00.000 But I don't want to hand all this power to the government because, I mean, the government wielding AI in an Orwellian way probably is the central risk of AI.
00:16:10.000 I mean, that is probably – woke AI in the hands of the deep state is probably the concern I have about.
00:16:16.000 The future of AI that I think is probably the highest probability, because there's evidence that that was already happening.
00:16:22.000 Remember when Google launched Black George Washington?
00:16:25.000 That wasn't an accident.
00:16:26.000 It was because their AI model had been infused with all these woke values.
00:16:30.000 And then you had this attempt by the Biden administration, through its executive order, to require that DEI be inserted into AI models.
00:16:36.000 And they were well on their way to setting up these globalist agreements.
00:16:42.000 That was a trajectory.
00:16:43.000 We were on this 1984-like trajectory before President Trump won with respect to AI.
00:16:49.000 And I think that is the central concern that we should guard ourselves against.
00:16:52.000 In closing here, David, what would you say are we winning the AI race right now against China?
00:16:59.000 If there was a score, what would the score be, U.S. versus China?
00:17:02.000 I think it's very competitive.
00:17:03.000 I think that the DeepSeek moment was real in the sense that before DeepSeek, I mean, it's almost a rounding error.
00:17:21.000 So they've gotten very good at AI very quickly.
00:17:25.000 Now, if you look at lower levels of the stack, which is the chips, the chip manufacturing, the chip design, we still have a pretty big lead at lower levels of the stack.
00:17:34.000 And I think that if we move quickly, we can build out more AI compute than them.
00:17:39.000 But they do have other advantages.
00:17:40.000 Like they're able to build out more power generation than we have.
00:17:43.000 You look at the Chinese power grid, it's doubled over the last decade.
00:17:49.000 That is what China's good at, mass production, when they put their mind to something.
00:17:53.000 David, you're awesome.
00:17:53.000 Thank you so much.
00:17:55.000 Thanks, Charlie.
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00:18:58.000 Joining us now is a legend.
00:19:00.000 It is David Mamet.
00:19:02.000 I just saw him recently on Bill Maher.
00:19:04.000 He was amazing, legendary playwright, author of...
00:19:15.000 He wrote the screenplay for that, so this is pretty awesome.
00:19:18.000 David, welcome to the program.
00:19:19.000 Thanks for the time.
00:19:20.000 It's a pleasure to see you, Charlie.
00:19:22.000 So, David, there's a lot going on right now in the country.
00:19:27.000 I want to kind of just start with your new project that you have here, your book, The Disenlightenment.
00:19:34.000 Tell our audience about it.
00:19:35.000 I started writing political essays about 20 years ago, and I put them into three books.
00:19:41.000 The first one was called The Secret Knowledge about 20 years ago.
00:19:44.000 And then about five years ago, I wrote a book called Recessional.
00:19:47.000 And I started writing essays again during the COVID lockdown and the subsequent horror of the Biden years.
00:19:57.000 And I looked at all the essays.
00:19:58.000 I said, wait a second, we have so much supposedly unrelated nonsense What does it all end up to?
00:20:13.000 So that's what I tried to do in this book.
00:20:15.000 I tried to look at the various depredations of the chaos of the—what's a putch or a coup taken by the Obama-Bidenites?
00:20:28.000 And the outbreaks of anti-Semitism and so forth, and tried to take an overview and say, what is it all I'm up to?
00:20:35.000 who benefits.
00:20:36.000 So both peacefully looking at individual outrages like men and women's sports and open borders and so forth.
00:20:46.000 I tried to That the protagonist is undergoing.
00:20:56.000 And if you write a good play, they have to be formed into a plot, which is to say, thank you.
00:21:00.000 At the end of the play, you have to say, oh, I thought these were individual incidents, but now I perceive the overriding thrust of the play.
00:21:10.000 And the final moments, that's how you write a tragedy.
00:21:13.000 So that's what I tried to do with this book.
00:21:15.000 And what I came up with was this was not an attempt to take
00:21:43.000 but rather what they were was an open city.
00:21:46.000 That just as when Paris was abandoned, In 1944, the Nazis got out of town and the Allies had not yet taken over.
00:21:54.000 Paris was an open city.
00:21:56.000 That is, there was no overriding management, which meant that various groups were each trying to take power.
00:22:02.000 Sometimes they coalesced with each other against a third group.
00:22:05.000 Sometimes they worked on their own.
00:22:07.000 And because there was no law, you had a lot of people settling scores.
00:22:13.000 They would say, oh, the communists are fighting, the Trotskyists are fighting the Stalinists over there, and the resistance are fighting the Trotskyists over there.
00:22:21.000 And you know what I'm going to do?
00:22:23.000 I'm going to kill my grocer.
00:22:25.000 Because what the hell?
00:22:27.000 Nobody's getting blamed.
00:22:28.000 So I looked at the Biden years, and I said, what we're looking at is the abandonment of power by any representative government.
00:22:37.000 And there are various groups, each of which is going to say, I'm going to put in my thing.
00:22:43.000 One group.
00:22:44.000 Because the clue was that there was nobody home at the helm.
00:22:48.000 There was absolutely no one home.
00:22:50.000 So they say it was Jill Biden got to do what she wanted.
00:22:53.000 Hunter got to do what he wanted.
00:22:54.000 The peaceniks got to get out of Afghanistan. 1.00
00:22:57.000 The anti-Semites got to let Harvard go to hell and withhold aid from Israel.
00:23:03.000 The transsexual people got to say, we have to have women in women's sports.
00:23:09.000 And there were a bunch of people sitting around a table saying, well, wait a second, you got to withhold funding for Israel.
00:23:15.000 You know what I want?
00:23:16.000 I want to get out of Afghanistan. 1.00
00:23:18.000 So then it began to make sense that what you had was a conference table of low-level bureaucrats who'd never had power, now had the greatest power in the world.
00:23:29.000 And so that's what the book is about.
00:23:32.000 Yeah, and so the story of the last four years, and I want to talk about the book Disenlightenment, you're basically articulating that there was no leader.
00:23:44.000 Dad was gone, if you will, and the family was running amok.
00:23:48.000 And there was no structure and there was no order.
00:23:51.000 What does President Trump represent from a literary view in how you're trying to tell the story in the modern era?
00:23:58.000 Well, I'm not quite sure what you mean by literary view, but let me see what I can do with that.
00:24:05.000 Let me elaborate.
00:24:08.000 Well, because you were saying you're trying to view the current times from as a playwright, where you say, as we write a tragedy, we try to figure out what's going on.
00:24:16.000 What role does President Trump play as you look at things through the incidents into a plot?
00:24:21.000 I get it.
00:24:26.000 So the question really is, what is power?
00:24:28.000 And the best essay I know about that was Leo Tolstoy wrote a book called War and Peace.
00:24:34.000 Don't let the fact that it's a big, thick book in Russia scare you off.
00:24:38.000 Everybody read it.
00:24:39.000 It's the most compelling novel of all time.
00:24:42.000 And it's about certain people during the Napoleonic Wars.
00:24:46.000 And at the end of the book, he has this long epilogue, and he says, what is power?
00:24:50.000 He says, I'm not sure.
00:24:52.000 He says, the savage sees a railroad train and sees the puff of smoke.
00:24:57.000 And because he sees the puff of smoke first, he thinks the puff of smoke causes the railroad train.
00:25:04.000 Similarly, when we see people extruded by various political movements, and everyone has his or her favorite, we can say, "Oh, they are causing what comes after them," because obviously we saw them first.
00:25:18.000 But he says, to a certain extent, that can't be true, because Napoleon invaded Russia with five million men, and he went home with his tail between his legs, but a leader cannot give an order which cannot be obeyed.
00:25:32.000 For example, Napoleon could have said, we're going to invade Russia, and a lot of people thought that was a good idea, or wanted to go along, wanted to get out of the house, but he couldn't have said, let's invade Australia.
00:25:45.000 The question he asked is, what is power?
00:25:47.000 What is the relationship of the individual to the mass?
00:25:50.000 And that's a question that's been plaguing me for a long time.
00:25:53.000 And I thought it has to be that the mass extrudes the individual.
00:26:00.000 Who we see first, and that the individual turns around and says, wait a second, I got a lot of people following me by accident.
00:26:07.000 Jasmine Crockett's a perfect example, AOC.
00:26:09.000 I got a lot of people following me by accident.
00:26:12.000 I guess I'm a leader.
00:26:14.000 I better act like a leader.
00:26:15.000 What does a leader do?
00:26:16.000 Well, obviously, a leader panders to the people who are following him, right?
00:26:21.000 Because that's where his power comes from.
00:26:23.000 But there's another thing.
00:26:26.000 A lifetime, or my lifetime anyway, I've seen it a couple of times.
00:26:31.000 One was Winston Churchill, who galvanized an absolutely beaten, supine England to stand up and say, no, wait a second, we're going to win.
00:26:41.000 We're going to beat the Nazis. 0.92
00:26:42.000 And even if we don't, it's better to die on our feet.
00:26:45.000 And people took fire from that image.
00:26:48.000 The second is Donald Trump, who looked at the horror.
00:26:54.000 That the left had made of our magnificent country where people are whispering in the streets and people are arrested for walking on the Capitol grounds and thrown in jail and lose their livelihood because they wouldn't put something in their arm which they thought and may turn out to have been poison.
00:27:15.000 This guy comes along out of nowhere and says, okay, I get it.
00:27:18.000 I got it.
00:27:19.000 I'm going to be a leader.
00:27:22.000 I am going to have the—and he has the incredible, calm courage to stand up and say, yeah, it looks insoluble.
00:27:31.000 But it's not.
00:27:32.000 It's a bunch of small problems, and if we attack them, sometimes we're going to win and sometimes we're going to lose, but we're going to be free.
00:27:40.000 So that's what I see in Donald Trump.
00:27:44.000 I want to play a piece of tape that you had of a viral interaction with Bill Maher.
00:27:48.000 Let's play cut 361, please.
00:27:49.000 Come on.
00:27:50.000 So wait a second.
00:27:51.000 He didn't say the words, "I concede," and so that meant people rioted?
00:27:55.000 Yes.
00:27:55.000 What do you think January 6th was about?
00:27:57.000 What do you think January 6th was about?
00:27:58.000 It was about people who did not hear their leaders say, as every other leader in this country has said after an election, "OK, I lost.
00:28:07.000 We welcome the new guy." We had disagreements, but now we're all Americans.
00:28:12.000 When Obama took over, George Bush stood next to him and he said, "We want you to succeed, because when you succeed, America, Okay.
00:28:22.000 So what?
00:28:23.000 So what?
00:28:24.000 It inspires half the country to not accept the basic democratic principle that we have elections and when you lose...
00:28:35.000 They don't see themselves as the loyal— You, like me, have built a career out of nothing except talent and a little bit of luck and a lot of hard work, which are foolish.
00:28:46.000 Very good.
00:28:47.000 David, tell us more about the interaction and your thoughts here.
00:28:51.000 Well, I went on to say, too, here's a perfect example, that Bill, who's not a dumb person, he's a very smart person, you know, he's in a very difficult position, because a lot of his sympathies, which even come out, are with Americanism and with conservatism.
00:29:05.000 But he's got to be very, very careful about expressing them, because if he does, he loses his job.
00:29:10.000 I understand that.
00:29:11.000 But here's a perfect example.
00:29:13.000 He is saying that because Trump did not say the words, "I concede," That people rioted.
00:29:23.000 That's a silly statement to make.
00:29:29.000 I went on to say, wait a second, if a guy gets beat in the prize ring, he's beat.
00:29:37.000 He doesn't have to say, I conceded.
00:29:39.000 It's not necessary.
00:29:41.000 Even if he thinks the fight was fixed, he doesn't have to say, I conceded, because they gave the other guy the belt.
00:29:50.000 So that's what I was saying to Bill.
00:29:51.000 That's ridiculous because he doesn't say those words.
00:29:55.000 P.S. Anyone who's ever been in an, God forbid, in an unfortunate lawsuit and gets the shit beat out of him by somebody who's in the wrong, and it's happened to a lot of people, and if you're beaten, the judge says, go away, you don't have to say, I concede.
00:30:13.000 The verdict has come down.
00:30:18.000 Did he have some reservations about going out with good grace?
00:30:22.000 Yes, he did.
00:30:22.000 And God bless him because the election was stolen and we had four years of horror.
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00:31:46.000 David, your book, The Disenlightenment, I encourage everyone to check it out.
00:31:49.000 David, why are we seeing such a rise in anti-West, anti-Israel, and anti-Semitic fervor on our college campuses and across our culture?
00:31:57.000 Well, I think that's a very good question.
00:31:59.000 It's because of several reasons you know them all, and so does your viewership.
00:32:03.000 It's because we allowed it.
00:32:05.000 It's because previous administrations were in bed with various terrorist regimes.
00:32:13.000 Obama giving money and nuclear capacity to Iran and calling it the deal.
00:32:19.000 I asked a lot of people, what was the deal?
00:32:20.000 What did we get out of it?
00:32:21.000 The reason we're seeing it now is because the society is falling apart.
00:32:25.000 When the society is falling apart, they look for approximate victim.
00:32:30.000 Hitler came to power because the German society was falling apart after World War I. They were in an incredible state.
00:32:38.000 People were starving to death, and he wanted someone to blame.
00:32:42.000 The key to why we're seeing it now is Greta Thunberg. 0.89
00:32:45.000 Here's this little girl. 1.00
00:32:47.000 She decides that the Earth is burning, and so she becomes Time's Woman of the Year and wins the Nobel.
00:32:52.000 I don't know what the hell she ran. 1.00
00:32:53.000 Her whole thing is the sky is falling, run for your lives. 0.97
00:32:57.000 So she makes a pretty good living out of that, pretty good living out of that. 1.00
00:33:00.000 Turns out the Earth really isn't burning.
00:33:03.000 So what does she do? 0.93
00:33:05.000 She wants to cross-deck herself and go to Gaza, right? 0.95
00:33:09.000 What in the world does going to Gaza have to do with the world is burning? 0.78
00:33:13.000 It has nothing to do with it.
00:33:15.000 But she ran out of juice on the one thing, and so she's not going to give it up, so she goes to the other.
00:33:22.000 So the Jews have always been a proximate victim because we've been guests at everybody else's house for 2,000 years. 0.72
00:33:28.000 Now, for the first time, we aren't guests at everybody else's house because we've got our own country, and a lot of the world, when they want a proximate victim, says, wait a second.
00:33:37.000 You're crazy.
00:33:38.000 Don't you know what you are?
00:33:39.000 Don't you know that I get to wife beat you? 1.00
00:33:42.000 Are you nuts?
00:33:44.000 So the Jews have always been a victim because we had no other choice. 0.80
00:33:49.000 Now when we have a choice, the world goes crazy because we do have a choice.
00:33:53.000 That's because the wife says, do that again. 1.00
00:33:55.000 I'm going to call the cops.
00:33:56.000 The guy does it again.
00:33:57.000 She calls the cops. 0.95
00:33:58.000 That guy's going to jail.
00:33:59.000 But if she doesn't call the cops, there aren't any cops.
00:34:03.000 He's going to keep beating his wife. 1.00
00:34:05.000 So now there are the cops, and a lot of people are enraged because the go-to victim to excuse their own confusion and their own failures is saying that's enough now.
00:34:19.000 David, I love that answer.
00:34:20.000 And that goes to show that there is this relentless urge amongst most people to blame others for their problems.
00:34:28.000 And they try to blame the Jews, and they try to blame Israel.
00:34:32.000 And it's a country with half the world's jewelry, the size of New Jersey, gets almost all of the geopolitical protest, anger, and backlash.
00:34:41.000 Final question I have for you, David.
00:34:43.000 I want everyone to check out the book, The Disenlightenment.
00:34:45.000 What is the broader status of Western civilization?
00:34:48.000 And what do you believe can be best done to save the West?
00:34:52.000 Well, there have been a couple of great books that just came out recently.
00:34:55.000 One, of course, is Douglas Murray's book.
00:35:00.000 And what Melanie says is it's not a clash of civilizations that we're looking at.
00:35:07.000 It's a clash of civilization against savagery.
00:35:10.000 And I think that that's true.
00:35:12.000 She goes further to say that civilization, the idea is that Western civilization is Jewish. 0.71
00:35:19.000 It starts with the Old Testament, and it was taken up by the Christians.
00:35:25.000 And through the medium of Jesus Christ.
00:35:28.000 And it's the idea that the individual has rights given by God, and there are certain things we should not do to each other.
00:35:34.000 This is civilization that led to the founding of the United States of America, which, if you read the Declaration of Constitution, they all come right out of the Torah.
00:35:43.000 It's all Judeo-Christian philosophy. 0.83
00:35:46.000 What can be done to save it?
00:35:48.000 What Trump is doing and what the right is doing is saying, let's go back to law.
00:35:54.000 It's not our job to help to better our neighbor's life.
00:36:00.000 And this is the difference between the Golden Rule and its precursor, which is what Rabbi Hillel said, is the essence of the Torah.
00:36:09.000 What's hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor.
00:36:12.000 It's very different than the other idea, which is do others as they want to do to you, which is the growth of liberalism, and we've seen the failure of it.
00:36:20.000 David, thank you so much for your time.
00:36:22.000 The Disenlightenment is the book.
00:36:24.000 You are a legend, and I love your work, and so thank you so much, and together we'll keep on fighting to save the West.
00:36:30.000 Thank you.
00:36:30.000 Amen.
00:36:31.000 Thanks for having me on, Charlie.
00:36:33.000 I'll see you.
00:36:34.000 Absolutely.
00:36:34.000 Hope to see you in person sometime soon.
00:36:36.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:36:38.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:36:40.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.