The Charlie Kirk Show - August 07, 2021


War With China? In-Depth with Jack Posobiec


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Jack Pasebik is the founder of Turning Point USA, a youth organization dedicated to fighting for freedom on college campuses across the country. He's also the co-host of the podcast, "The Charlie Kirk Show" and host of the radio show, "Kirk's on the Ground" on SiriusXM Radio.

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00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.
00:00:00.000 Are we headed to war with China?
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00:02:20.000 Hey, Jack, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:02:22.000 Charlie Kirk, here we are.
00:02:23.000 I think this is the first time we've actually done one of these.
00:02:24.000 I think that's right.
00:02:25.000 Usually it's remote and you're somewhere.
00:02:29.000 I'm in the bunker.
00:02:29.000 You're out like in the field somewhere.
00:02:31.000 You're avoiding Antifa trying to.
00:02:34.000 Well, they're constantly trying to find me.
00:02:36.000 Right.
00:02:37.000 And then, you know, and then they're like, oh, I think he's over here.
00:02:39.000 I think he's over there.
00:02:39.000 So what we were doing was, and when we would hold events in D.C. many of these times, is we would send out like disinformation addresses.
00:02:48.000 Are you a disinformation artist, Jack?
00:02:50.000 Well, I am when it comes to protecting my people.
00:02:52.000 I am when it comes to protecting my people at events.
00:02:54.000 Really?
00:02:54.000 So we will put out, we'll say, like, oh, yeah, we're going to do this event over here.
00:02:57.000 And then Antifa all runs over there and it's like two states over.
00:03:00.000 And then immediately we go to our actual verified list of attendees and say, hey, no, actually, the event's here.
00:03:06.000 That was just a big joke.
00:03:07.000 I can't wait for the supposed to publish.
00:03:08.000 Meanwhile, I'm Twitter.
00:03:09.000 I've said this public.
00:03:10.000 They won't touch this.
00:03:11.000 But meanwhile, I'm on Twitter.
00:03:12.000 Like, how dare you go to our event space?
00:03:14.000 This is terrible.
00:03:15.000 Don't go all the way over to Maryland.
00:03:16.000 That would be awful for us.
00:03:17.000 And meanwhile, we're like in the heart of DC.
00:03:19.000 I love that.
00:03:20.000 You're with Human Events now.
00:03:21.000 Congratulations.
00:03:22.000 Thank you.
00:03:22.000 It's been, it's definitely been a whirlwind.
00:03:25.000 And Human Events is great because I think they really punch above their weight class right now.
00:03:28.000 There's only a few people that are really working there behind the scenes.
00:03:32.000 But in terms of the analysis that we're putting out on the op-ed side, it's second to none because what they do there in terms of their editing process, it's not like 500 angry words on a blog that someone's just firing.
00:03:45.000 Very thoughtful.
00:03:46.000 And I have nothing against that as a former angry blogger myself.
00:03:49.000 But what they do and the editing process is it's so professionalized.
00:03:54.000 And it's like, if there's something that's a claim you're making, okay, back it up.
00:03:59.000 Where your work is cited, where's your bibliography?
00:04:01.000 But they do it in a cool way.
00:04:02.000 So you just link to it in line in the text.
00:04:05.000 So it actually creates something that's sort of like what I call an interactive op-ed.
00:04:10.000 So you're reading something and I'm making a claim, you know, China surpassed the U.S. in exports in this category to this region, right?
00:04:17.000 Boom, here's a study that explains all that.
00:04:19.000 If you want to learn more, if I'm referencing a study on something, boom, here's the full study.
00:04:24.000 You can check it out.
00:04:24.000 And we try as much as possible to link back to other human events articles on the news side so that you're really kind of staying within our ecosystem.
00:04:32.000 And it's actually kind of like what Wikipedia used to be before the left completely took over it.
00:04:36.000 So if you want to go down the rabbit hole through one of these op-eds, you actually can.
00:04:40.000 And it's pretty fun.
00:04:41.000 And it's definitely a standard that it's interesting because some of the people contributing and that have submitted things, they say, wow, you guys have this like long process and it's kind of annoying.
00:04:50.000 I'm used to just like firing something off and it, you know, it goes up.
00:04:53.000 But you know, we don't need to name any other sites.
00:04:56.000 But I said, look, you know, I think that's something that eventually will set human events apart because you know when you're getting an op-ed from us, it is something that's gone through a very rigorous examination, a fact check.
00:05:08.000 You're backing up your sources and it's all right there compiled for you.
00:05:12.000 Humanevents.com, which of course comes from the first words of the Declaration of Independence, one of the course of human events, one of the greatest, if not the greatest, documents ever written, especially in the last couple hundred years.
00:05:24.000 By a 33-year-old.
00:05:25.000 Thomas Jefferson, a good anti-Federalist, even though I disagreed with him, not a lot.
00:05:29.000 Thomas Jefferson was a hothead.
00:05:30.000 It was really fun to watch him and James Madison right back and forth.
00:05:32.000 Oh, yeah.
00:05:33.000 I mean, this was a guy where, you know, and then you go and when you always go to Jefferson, I'm like, you know, I love all this stuff.
00:05:39.000 And then he goes to the to France and we support this revolution too.
00:05:42.000 I'm like, well, I don't know about that.
00:05:43.000 Both him and Thomas Paine.
00:05:45.000 And Emmanuel Burke was the kind of cold water on the fire of the French Revolution.
00:05:51.000 I love it because the only reason we got the Constitutional Convention was because Thomas Jefferson was in France during the Constitutional Convention.
00:05:58.000 Right.
00:05:58.000 The only reason.
00:05:59.000 And we didn't have emails, they couldn't Skype him in.
00:06:02.000 No.
00:06:02.000 It was like, you know, you know what, Thomas, I think Paris needs you.
00:06:06.000 And Paris was like, you know, the best city on the planet for a while, not anymore.
00:06:10.000 And he's like, all right, I'll go.
00:06:11.000 You know, he was ambassador to France or something.
00:06:13.000 Maybe, no, that was Ben Franklin.
00:06:15.000 Well, he was sort of like, yeah, so Franklin was chief tipper and he was like the chief envoy because France, keep in mind that at that point in our history, France was our greatest military patron.
00:06:26.000 They were one of our biggest allies.
00:06:28.000 We needed France just extremely because, you know, and then, of course, in the way that people look at it, it's France is peeling the U.S. away off from Britain as part of their 100 years' war and all the conflicts between France and Britain.
00:06:41.000 Because at this point, and people always kind of forget this about when it comes to European history, that France was kind of seen as the rising power through the late 1700s, early 1800s.
00:06:50.000 This is before, and then, of course, you get Napoleon, his wars of expansion.
00:06:54.000 And this is all prior to, and the way we kind of look at it now, we always think of Germany and sort of their wars of when they were the advancing power.
00:07:02.000 But really prior to that, it was France.
00:07:03.000 Yes.
00:07:04.000 And so the only reason we got it approved is because of Thomas Jefferson.
00:07:07.000 Precisely, one of the course of human events becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ties with another.
00:07:11.000 So, Jack, I want to ask you about something.
00:07:13.000 You were a former military intelligence officer.
00:07:15.000 Is that fair?
00:07:16.000 That's right.
00:07:17.000 That's right.
00:07:17.000 People always say that that's an oxymoron, right?
00:07:19.000 The military doesn't have intelligence, right?
00:07:22.000 Well, at one point, they did, and that's when I was serving.
00:07:24.000 At one point, they did.
00:07:25.000 So, is it true that our military is teaching or instructing or mandating critical race theory?
00:07:33.000 What they're doing in our military now is creating and pushing social programs and social agendas as opposed to sitting there and explaining to us how to fight militaries, how to beat them.
00:07:48.000 I was in the Navy, so when it comes to the Navy, our job should be how do we find the enemy ships and how do we blow them out of the water and send them to the bottom of the ocean, right?
00:07:56.000 That's the job of the Navy.
00:07:58.000 That's our sole purpose, actually.
00:08:00.000 And when it comes to it, that's not what we spend our time doing.
00:08:04.000 We spend our time doing trainings, talking about diversity, equality, inclusion, the DIE entire spectrum.
00:08:12.000 And then when I've talked to now, so that's when I was in.
00:08:15.000 That was, I got out in 2017.
00:08:17.000 What I hear people, my friends that have stayed in, and when I talk to active duty folks now, it's far beyond anything that was going on in the Trump administration.
00:08:26.000 They hit the accelerator on this thing to the floor. 0.97
00:08:29.000 I've got people telling me, they say, Jack, they go through these extremist hearings and they're only focused on one group of people and they are trying to divide us.
00:08:38.000 They're trying to separate us.
00:08:40.000 And when it comes to the Navy specifically, or when you look at the Army, when you're fielding soldiers out there, race goes away, right?
00:08:47.000 That stuff all goes away because you're out there.
00:08:49.000 You're in the fight.
00:08:50.000 You're in the foxhole.
00:08:50.000 You're on a ship.
00:08:51.000 Nobody is coming to save you.
00:08:52.000 There's no fire department.
00:08:54.000 You can call.
00:08:54.000 There's no police department.
00:08:55.000 You are out there.
00:08:56.000 It's you and your shipmates.
00:08:57.000 It's you and your teammates.
00:08:59.000 And you have to watch each other's back.
00:09:01.000 What they are trying to do is sow division and dissension in the ranks.
00:09:05.000 They are destroying.
00:09:06.000 And there's a phrase that we have.
00:09:07.000 It's called a spirit de corps, right?
00:09:09.000 So a spirit of corps is that the spirit of the body, right?
00:09:12.000 So we are all one body.
00:09:13.000 We're all together.
00:09:14.000 It's actually kind of a Christian notion, if you think about it, right?
00:09:17.000 People are body.
00:09:19.000 And so they are dividing that.
00:09:22.000 And I got to tell you, the entire time I was in the military, eight and a half years, and I really challenge people to go and to ask this same question.
00:09:31.000 I couldn't tell you a single actual racist incident that I saw.
00:09:36.000 I never saw something like it.
00:09:37.000 Did I see hazing?
00:09:38.000 Sure.
00:09:39.000 Did I see things that at times would be considered sexual harassment?
00:09:43.000 Sure.
00:09:43.000 I was part of inquiries where I was made to be a witness and times like that.
00:09:47.000 And I would tell what I saw, right?
00:09:49.000 But when it comes to actual instances of racism, it never happened.
00:09:53.000 It's just not part of our military.
00:09:55.000 It really isn't.
00:09:56.000 So you said what they're trying to do.
00:09:58.000 So help me understand this.
00:10:01.000 Are you saying that the people in charge want to try to weaken our military?
00:10:07.000 What I think they're doing is an ideological purge.
00:10:10.000 I think they are trying to push people out, whether through attrition, through resignation, or from even not joining in the first place.
00:10:19.000 They do not want people who are conservatives.
00:10:22.000 They don't want people who have that strong religious core.
00:10:26.000 They don't want people who believe in all the things that we just outlined, who actually believe in this country, because they view it as a force that is not.
00:10:35.000 I mean, look at it, right?
00:10:36.000 The oath of service is an oath not to any one politician.
00:10:40.000 It's an oath to the Constitution, right?
00:10:42.000 We were just talking about that.
00:10:43.000 So you swear an oath to the Constitution.
00:10:45.000 There's actually a joke that said, well, congratulations.
00:10:47.000 You just signed up to defend a 200-year-old piece of paper, right?
00:10:50.000 But it's more than that.
00:10:52.000 Obviously, it's the ideals of the Constitution.
00:10:54.000 What they are teaching is in direct contrivance to the actual oath of service.
00:11:01.000 And they are trying to make you not allegiant to the Constitution.
00:11:06.000 They want you to have allegiance to the government.
00:11:09.000 And now this overarching ideology of our government, right?
00:11:13.000 Our theory of the state, which has increasingly become this wokeism or totalitarianism, whatever you want to call it, right?
00:11:22.000 This is not our founding ideals and it is not the thing that we actually signed up to serve for.
00:11:27.000 No, of course.
00:11:28.000 I'm trying to understand.
00:11:30.000 I have very little understanding of how military protocol happens.
00:11:35.000 So I can under, I get the corporate thing.
00:11:38.000 I get the college thing.
00:11:39.000 I don't really understand the military thing.
00:11:41.000 How is this even remotely possible, Jack?
00:11:44.000 Because for someone like me, like a civilian, it doesn't make any sense.
00:11:48.000 And this, and I don't want to, you know, it is kind of cliche to say this, but under Obama, what they did was they focused on the military war colleges.
00:11:57.000 And the war college system is, so you have to have a degree to come an officer, right?
00:12:01.000 But the war colleges are different, each service branch has one of these institutions and they're within the military.
00:12:07.000 So it's only for military officers.
00:12:08.000 And basically, what they are is: if you want to become a flag officer, a general, or an admiral, depending on your service, you go through one of these colleges, you go through their courses.
00:12:16.000 But what they started using them for was to kind of find the people who were either part of the program.
00:12:23.000 No, you're talking about like West Point Navy Air Force Academy?
00:12:26.000 Okay.
00:12:27.000 Not the academy.
00:12:28.000 So this is something that you would go through sort of as you're already at that commander level or even the 06 level, your colonel level.
00:12:34.000 What does 06 mean?
00:12:35.000 So that's your Fulbright Colonel.
00:12:37.000 So that's the last rank you would be before you get to that leadership.
00:12:40.000 The officer status?
00:12:41.000 Well, you're still an officer, but before you get to that, what's called general officer or flag officer standard.
00:12:46.000 So before you get your star, right?
00:12:47.000 Before you get your first star as, hey, this is a route and two general. 0.80
00:12:51.000 This is a no-crap admiral that you better be saluting when he comes on the ship.
00:12:56.000 So those are not just leaders of the unit, they are leaders broadly seen of the force, right? 0.92
00:13:04.000 And so they targeted these because they knew that if they went to the deck plates, if they went to the guys on the ground, they went to the grunts, right?
00:13:11.000 The boots, this would all be rejected immediately.
00:13:14.000 But they knew if they could get the leadership track, the management track, and they got all of this, by the way, from academia and from the corporate world.
00:13:21.000 It's the exact same thing.
00:13:22.000 They say, if we can just get the management track and peel them off, and then we can find the people through this war college system who are either with the program or the people who aren't on it.
00:13:34.000 And you can see this, by the way, in terms of who got promoted under Obama.
00:13:38.000 And then this still continues today: that if you are somebody who's like, you know, views yourself in the mode of one of the World War II leaders of a Patton or a MacArthur or a Halsey or a Nimitz, you know, in the Navy, your career will be off-ramped.
00:13:55.000 You will be passed over.
00:13:57.000 You will not get that star.
00:13:58.000 You will be stuck at one of the lower levels.
00:14:00.000 You will not become a leader of the force.
00:14:02.000 And this is what they do.
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00:15:09.000 So how many war colleges are there?
00:15:12.000 So there's a war college for every branch.
00:15:14.000 Are these government institutions?
00:15:16.000 Yeah, they're military-run.
00:15:17.000 Military-run institutions.
00:15:18.000 So where would the armies be?
00:15:20.000 The armies is in Pennsylvania.
00:15:21.000 It's in Carlisle, Pennsylvania.
00:15:22.000 So this is called the Army War College.
00:15:24.000 Army War College, yeah.
00:15:25.000 Okay.
00:15:25.000 And then so the Navy is in Newport, Rhode Island.
00:15:28.000 So it's the Newport Navy War College.
00:15:29.000 And Air Forces, California.
00:15:32.000 Yeah, Colorado.
00:15:33.000 I think it's Colorado.
00:15:34.000 I have to actually go to the Project.
00:15:35.000 Colorado Springs is the Air Force Academy.
00:15:37.000 That's the Academy is there.
00:15:38.000 So this is not, this is not, this is the officer training program.
00:15:42.000 So if you went to West Point, you also have to go to the program.
00:15:43.000 You don't have to go to the war program then.
00:15:45.000 You would.
00:15:45.000 You have to go to Boston.
00:15:46.000 Yeah.
00:15:47.000 To get to that next level as well.
00:15:49.000 To get to that highest level.
00:15:50.000 God, highest level.
00:15:50.000 Okay, so this is not just to become, this is not just to become an officer.
00:15:54.000 This is that star.
00:15:55.000 This is to get the star.
00:15:56.000 To be a leader of the force.
00:15:57.000 So is that required then?
00:16:00.000 It's not necessarily required.
00:16:02.000 Like, I don't think you'd see it written anywhere.
00:16:04.000 But that being said, you kind of know that if you want to get there, you've got to go.
00:16:09.000 This is a brilliant strategy.
00:16:10.000 I've never heard it explained like this.
00:16:11.000 So basically, I get the West Point thing.
00:16:13.000 I wanted to go to West Point, didn't get in.
00:16:15.000 I get the Navy, Coast Guard, and Air Force infrastructure.
00:16:18.000 But you're saying that they'll get there eventually.
00:16:20.000 What they've basically done is they've co-opted and hijacked the bottleneck to get to the very top level.
00:16:27.000 So you have this sociopath, Mark Milley, right, who's just like a total disaster.
00:16:27.000 Precisely.
00:16:33.000 Yeah, Mark Milley is the great example of this.
00:16:35.000 So walking through the streets.
00:16:35.000 By the way, Mark Milley, he's not a West Point guy.
00:16:38.000 He's a Princeton guy, right?
00:16:40.000 So we know that this program started in the Ivy Leagues.
00:16:45.000 They're now starting to push it throughout the actual service account.
00:16:48.000 Did he go to the Army War College?
00:16:50.000 I'd have to double-check that, but I know he definitely went to Princeton.
00:16:54.000 Which speaks for itself.
00:16:55.000 It speaks for itself.
00:16:56.000 Woodrow Wilson's.
00:16:57.000 You know, he's coming from Woodrow Wilson's.
00:16:59.000 Yeah, the only time we've ever had a college professor.
00:17:01.000 Or sorry, I should say the first time we had a college professor as president, though Obama.
00:17:05.000 Not only that, he was the head of the college, too.
00:17:06.000 Precisely.
00:17:07.000 And so when you have Milley up there, when he's espousing this stuff, I honestly think he believes it, right?
00:17:13.000 He's just a guy who's become such a creature of the system that he doesn't see any difference in terms of what he's saying because that's what he's been told on every step of the way.
00:17:23.000 And these guys, they learn that if you want to get ahead, if you want more stars, if you become obsessed with rank and status and achievement, you don't lead your men into victory the way that we would kind of, you know, this sort of the layman's view of the military.
00:17:39.000 No, you have to find what the military is interested in, what everybody else wants you to be, and then repeat it and regurgitate it again and again and again, all on your way up.
00:17:48.000 You don't ruffle any feathers so that as you get there, right, you are the person who's always been able to compromise, been able to compromise.
00:17:56.000 So whoever compromises the most is able to do the, to achieve the highest.
00:17:59.000 So the one, two, and three-star generals, almost all of them have to go through this war college system.
00:18:06.000 Yeah.
00:18:07.000 And the war college system is taxpayer-funded, run by the Department of Defense.
00:18:12.000 Yes.
00:18:13.000 And basically, the Obama people said, ah, well, why don't we remake these war colleges in the ways of an Ivy League school?
00:18:21.000 Right, because remember, they have total control over the system.
00:18:24.000 These aren't even authoritarian.
00:18:26.000 It's directly government controlled.
00:18:28.000 And they said, well, can we do this?
00:18:29.000 Sure, of course we can. 0.85
00:18:30.000 So why wouldn't Trump just burn those kind of war colleges to the ground? 0.99
00:18:34.000 Some of us wish he did.
00:18:36.000 But no, I think it's something where, you know, and I understand that when Trump came in, like, he's from that generation where he viewed, you know, he was born right after World War II.
00:18:46.000 He went to a preparation right before like a soft West Point.
00:18:51.000 So he viewed, you know, those generals and those admirals and everybody coming from the military.
00:18:56.000 He still had those kind of like rosy-colored glasses where when he saw them, he's thinking of the World War II era.
00:19:03.000 He talks about Patton all the time.
00:19:04.000 He references him almost every speech, right?
00:19:06.000 Because that's his view of what a military general is.
00:19:09.000 And because he hasn't been involved in the military, I don't think that he understood just how subversive the system had become under Obama.
00:19:17.000 So now that this indoctrination center exists, or at the very least, I think you're.
00:19:25.000 By the way, that's where it started, right?
00:19:27.000 Now it's beyond.
00:19:28.000 No, no, no, no, of course.
00:19:29.000 No, I know, but it's important to pinpoint where it really is originating from for a lot of different reasons.
00:19:35.000 Like, where did the virus come from?
00:19:36.000 It came from a lab.
00:19:37.000 It's helpful to kind of know where this started.
00:19:38.000 Precisely.
00:19:39.000 But it makes a lot of sense now that it just kind of clicked.
00:19:42.000 I said, how did they implement all this stuff?
00:19:44.000 Because, I mean, you look at these, like a regular two or three star general, they don't seem like a social revolutionary to me.
00:19:51.000 Most of them just kind of seem they want the status.
00:19:55.000 They want the crisp salutes.
00:19:57.000 They want to serve their country, but they don't seem overly interested in Robin DiAngelo.
00:20:04.000 Right.
00:20:04.000 And so this is where this is where it comes.
00:20:06.000 And then when you've seen there's a few videos where these guys will get challenged on actual quotes from Robin DiAngelo or some of these other CRT writers.
00:20:12.000 Or Ibram X. Kendi.
00:20:13.000 Or Tahanisi Codes. 0.89
00:20:15.000 And then you, and they say, well, you know, I would immediately say it's important to learn about communism.
00:20:22.000 It's important to learn these things.
00:20:23.000 That doesn't make me a communist.
00:20:24.000 That doesn't make me a communist.
00:20:25.000 And it's like, and it actually, you know, believe it or not, Reagan actually had the great quote on that, right?
00:20:29.000 It was, you know, how do you know someone who's a communist?
00:20:33.000 They've read Marx and Engels.
00:20:34.000 How do you know someone who's an anti-communist, they've understood Marks and Engels?
00:20:37.000 That's precisely right.
00:20:38.000 And so now, so the war college thing makes sense.
00:20:43.000 That's not going to get fixed until we got a new administration. 0.57
00:20:46.000 I mean, this isn't going to get fixed either unless you see major pushback from within the military.
00:20:52.000 But the problem with that is because they used that bottleneck to create the higher ranks in the military, then all of the people now setting the curricula for these sites are the ones who went through it.
00:21:02.000 This war college thing is so brilliant.
00:21:04.000 I so understand it makes perfect sense with how these apparatchiks work.
00:21:09.000 So now it's all throughout the military, though, because then you have it properly instructed towards the Milleys and the Mattises and all these other.
00:21:18.000 Mattis is a huge letdown.
00:21:19.000 I think you were enthusiastic for Mattis at first, weren't you?
00:21:21.000 I was one of the people who I said, you know, this was a guy who, you know, you hear the stories from when he was in the field.
00:21:28.000 You heard the stories about how he was leading the men and you thought, wow, this guy is going to be great.
00:21:32.000 He's a great leader.
00:21:33.000 He's a great soldier.
00:21:33.000 He's a great general.
00:21:34.000 Everyone I talk to in the Marines, you know, maybe that's my fault for trusting Marines in the first place.
00:21:39.000 We love Marines.
00:21:41.000 No, no, that's a little inner service rivalry there.
00:21:44.000 And they are, of course, they are the Navy's sister division.
00:21:48.000 And two Marines here, they're going to get really angry.
00:21:53.000 Okay, just throw some crayons at them. 0.89
00:21:55.000 They say they have something to eat.
00:21:57.000 And yes, they know.
00:21:59.000 And what it really comes down to, though, is when he got in, when he got to DC, he became a politician.
00:22:05.000 It's the same thing that happens to all of these generals, all of these four stars, all of these three stars.
00:22:09.000 And correct me if I'm wrong, Marines.
00:22:11.000 These guys become politicians.
00:22:13.000 They become, again, obsessed with status.
00:22:15.000 They get obsessed with influence.
00:22:16.000 They just want that power.
00:22:19.000 And I think they actually kind of forget what it's like to be out there in the field.
00:22:23.000 And, you know, you're being told that you have to go charge the hill.
00:22:26.000 But before you do that, oh, you've got to sit down and listen to why, because of the fault of how you were born and your immutable physical characteristics.
00:22:35.000 By the way, you're responsible for the oppression of this and the colonization of that.
00:22:39.000 And, you know, I've got a three-year-old and he's responsible for all that.
00:22:42.000 No, I don't think so.
00:22:43.000 So it's now all the way down into the enlisted ranks, this kind of CRT-woke ideology.
00:22:52.000 Is that fair to say?
00:22:53.000 Well, I wouldn't say that the enlisted ranks are necessarily espousing it as much. 0.99
00:22:57.000 Definitely, definitely when it comes to Marines enlisted, they're like, we're not on board with this crap. 0.98
00:23:03.000 God bless them. 0.94
00:23:04.000 And God bless the Marines for that because they're just like, does this help us defeat the enemy?
00:23:04.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:23:09.000 No, then why are we learning it?
00:23:11.000 Right.
00:23:11.000 I think you would see it more in the Navy, quite frankly.
00:23:14.000 I think the Navy is a lot of people.
00:23:15.000 But the Marines are a division of the Navy.
00:23:18.000 They are.
00:23:18.000 They are.
00:23:18.000 All their paychecks.
00:23:19.000 They department of the Navy on them.
00:23:21.000 But you say there really is a separation.
00:23:23.000 Oh, there's a huge cultural separation.
00:23:25.000 Yeah, 100%.
00:23:26.000 That's real.
00:23:27.000 And so I think you would see more of it, more agreement or embracing of this in the Navy at the enlisted rank because there's so many people, and I say this as having been in the Navy, they just view it as a job program, right?
00:23:39.000 This is just a government jobs program that I can join and I get health care.
00:23:44.000 I get education, they'll pay for my college, and I just go out and I get my paycheck and I do my job.
00:23:50.000 For probably a third to maybe 40% or so of the force just view it as a jobs program.
00:23:57.000 So they're not necessarily adopting it.
00:23:59.000 But Jack, the fact they've been able to even have some success in the military, this could have cataclysmic consequences.
00:24:08.000 So, you know, it's kind of like the Hemingway quote, right?
00:24:12.000 You know, how does a country collapse gradually then suddenly?
00:24:15.000 And so when you look at the rot in our military, right, the basic question is, are we prepared?
00:24:21.000 And actually, Pacific Command, 7th Fleet, where I used to serve, so Asia Pacific, I was a China guy in the military.
00:24:27.000 Obviously, I think everybody knows that.
00:24:29.000 Our motto was ready to fight tonight.
00:24:33.000 And I've basically been saying lately, I've laid down the marker.
00:24:36.000 I said this on Timpool the other night.
00:24:37.000 I do not believe, as currently constituted, that the U.S. Navy would succeed in a conflict over the island of Taiwan.
00:24:45.000 I think the U.S. would fail in a defense of Taiwan right now.
00:24:48.000 Why do you say that?
00:24:49.000 For a variety of reasons.
00:24:51.000 Number one, I don't think the will to fight is there from the leadership corps.
00:24:55.000 Number two, I don't think that the basic, if you look at the problems that 7th Fleet has been having in terms of national...
00:25:01.000 What do you mean by 7th Fleet?
00:25:02.000 So 7th Fleet is our fleet that operates in the Asia Pacific.
00:25:04.000 So South China Sea.
00:25:05.000 So South China Sea, all of that.
00:25:08.000 We've lost basic seamanship standards, right?
00:25:10.000 We're crashing ships into freighters.
00:25:12.000 We're crashing ships into each other.
00:25:13.000 That's not by.
00:25:14.000 But they say that's normal.
00:25:15.000 That happens all the time.
00:25:16.000 The war games.
00:25:17.000 No, no, no.
00:25:18.000 No way.
00:25:19.000 They lost seven sailors in one of these things.
00:25:22.000 And that was just basic incompetence.
00:25:24.000 You had people who should never have been on the bridge in the first place that are making these decisions that don't understand the basic math of how your trajectories work, how Bering works, how if you're sailing information, that if another ship is going here and I'm going here, we're going to hit eventually.
00:25:41.000 And then at the end of it, China does not have a force like that.
00:25:45.000 China has a force that is completely based on meritocracy.
00:25:48.000 They are completely based on who can succeed, who is the best, who is the most ruthless in many cases when it comes to their general officer corps.
00:25:57.000 And so they would...
00:25:58.000 Now, do I believe China has the power projection to take anything beyond out into the great, you know, Hawaii?
00:26:04.000 But Taiwan, being as it's only about 90 miles off the coast, I think if they wanted it, they would take it. 0.99
00:26:04.000 No, I don't think so. 0.99
00:26:10.000 So let's talk about that in particular.
00:26:13.000 The Chinese government hates the three T's, Tiananmen Square.
00:26:16.000 You don't mention that.
00:26:17.000 Tibet, they hate that.
00:26:18.000 They don't want you to talk about Taiwan.
00:26:19.000 Well, Tiananmen Square, what do you mean?
00:26:20.000 Nothing ever happened there.
00:26:21.000 That's exactly.
00:26:22.000 Nothing to see here.
00:26:23.000 Nothing ever happened there on June 4th.
00:26:24.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.97
00:26:25.000 Just we'll take your head off. 0.99
00:26:27.000 Taiwan is an island nation. 0.96
00:26:29.000 It's its own sovereign nation, despite what the Maoists say.
00:26:33.000 Capital is Taipei.
00:26:34.000 They have their own ethnicity.
00:26:36.000 I think they have their own language, too, if I'm not mistaken.
00:26:38.000 Is that right?
00:26:39.000 Well, so there is a native language from Taiwan, but there's also when the Republic of China government fled in the 40s to the island, they brought a lot more mainland Chinese.
00:26:52.000 So now you do have like kind of a mixed bag.
00:26:54.000 So what we have here is the same thing we have in Crimea, which is kind of a lot of ethnic Russians living in a certain region and the government wants it back.
00:27:04.000 And so the Chinese government, it's priority number one, to get Taiwan back.
00:27:07.000 And you see that even in a small little instance of how John Cena mentioned Taiwan and had to apologize profusely.
00:27:13.000 Well, and this has to do with, and I've briefed actually some pretty senior leaders of our government on this, that Xi Jinping's rise to power.
00:27:20.000 And he's a guy, by the way, I had the opportunity to meet when he, when I was in Shanghai, he was the Shanghai City party secretary on when he was on his way up.
00:27:28.000 So back 2007, I actually got to meet him once there.
00:27:32.000 And, you know, even back then, you knew this was a guy.
00:27:35.000 It was like, he was like the Tony Soprano of Shanghai, right?
00:27:37.000 He was like on the way up.
00:27:39.000 The huge entourage, you know, overcoat over the shoulder kind of thing.
00:27:42.000 He was the guy.
00:27:43.000 Everybody knew, right?
00:27:45.000 And he has ridden this ultra-nationalist wave to power, right?
00:27:51.000 He is ginned that up.
00:27:53.000 You see it in the 100th anniversary.
00:27:54.000 I don't even need to make the argument, right?
00:27:56.000 He dresses like Chairman Mao.
00:27:57.000 He says, We, I am the Chinese people, right?
00:28:01.000 He doesn't even say I am the party.
00:28:02.000 He says, I am China, right?
00:28:03.000 So it's all resting on his shoulders.
00:28:05.000 But at some point, that bill is going to come due because the people that he has as his most ardent supporters are going to say, What have you delivered for us?
00:28:15.000 We want Taiwan. 0.60
00:28:16.000 Are you going to give us Taiwan?
00:28:18.000 And if he feels threatened by other factions within the party, if he gets backlash from his many, many purges that he's conducted throughout the party system and the military, by the way, then people are going to come and say, This guy's weak.
00:28:32.000 He hasn't been able to make due on his promises.
00:28:34.000 And that is going to lead him into a very dangerous position when it comes to Taiwan.
00:28:38.000 So I've heard mixed opinions on this.
00:28:40.000 And I agree with our military preparedness.
00:28:43.000 I think that there's just kind of been a dulling of the sword.
00:28:46.000 I'm not yet convinced the Chinese are as sophisticated as they say they are. 1.00
00:28:51.000 Is that true?
00:28:52.000 Are they really as advanced as they say they are militarily?
00:28:55.000 Interestingly enough, they kind of don't need to be when it comes to a Taiwan situation.
00:29:00.000 So do we have the most sophisticated technology?
00:29:02.000 Yes, absolutely.
00:29:04.000 But China understands that technology is both our greatest advantage, but it's also our greatest weakness. 0.97
00:29:10.000 So all of their functions and all of their counterattack methods are about disrupting and destroying our technological advances.
00:29:17.000 They want to break down.
00:29:18.000 The first thing they're going to do is go after our GPS.
00:29:20.000 And that's what the anti-satellite missiles are all about.
00:29:22.000 Imagine if China took down GPS, not just for the Asia Pacific, but for the entire United States.
00:29:28.000 You go to your phone, you're trying to get somewhere, boom, no GPS.
00:29:31.000 Uber down.
00:29:32.000 Everything down, right?
00:29:33.000 That massive, monumental secondary, tertiary consequences from that.
00:29:38.000 That's number one.
00:29:39.000 All of our navigation systems in the Navy, for the most part, the primary is GPS, right?
00:29:44.000 You lose that, you are out, right?
00:29:46.000 So they've now started to reintroduce, you know, maybe we should look at star charts and basic navigation again, just in case we shouldn't be relying on this because they weren't teaching it.
00:29:56.000 They completely stopped teaching.
00:29:57.000 So why should we teach it?
00:29:58.000 We have GPS now.
00:29:59.000 Second is communication.
00:30:01.000 So interesting.
00:30:02.000 So our communication system, we use various systems that are encrypted.
00:30:06.000 They're classified.
00:30:07.000 That's the first thing they've targeted.
00:30:08.000 They know they want to get into our systems.
00:30:10.000 And even if they can't get into them, they want to block them.
00:30:13.000 That part of the radio spectrum that they're on, or if it's over the horizon, our ability to be able to piggyback messages from some targeter or one of our drones that's operating somewhere forward to be able to get target information back to one of our missile destroyers, right?
00:30:28.000 They want to break down that complete system.
00:30:30.000 And then third, they look at our carrier defense posture and our carrier defense system.
00:30:36.000 So carriers are these huge, big, lumbering, floating airports, right?
00:30:40.000 Basically, that's the point.
00:30:41.000 They have no real way to defend themselves.
00:30:43.000 And that's why they're surrounded by submarines and cruisers and destroyers and everything else.
00:30:48.000 And that's protect the package, right?
00:30:50.000 Protect the football.
00:30:51.000 So China knows that it's going to be very hard to be able to get through there.
00:30:54.000 So they say, Fine.
00:30:56.000 We don't need smart power. 0.99
00:30:57.000 We need dumb power. 0.98
00:30:59.000 They're going to fire as many rockets and missiles and just cheap ordnance, whatever they can, to fire at these things because they know it's a percentage-based numbers game. 0.98
00:31:09.000 If we can block 30%, that means we're not blocking 70%.
00:31:13.000 So, Jack, I'm just going to make sure I'm understanding this correctly.
00:31:16.000 Is that so?
00:31:18.000 I want to walk through the specifics of Taiwan.
00:31:20.000 I don't know how much time we have because I'm always getting yanked in five different directions.
00:31:24.000 But you're talking about is a war.
00:31:26.000 So, what I'm talking about, and by the way, I actually am not one of these people who thinks that we are, I still think that the most likely scenario is that China continues along their slow path of just kind of absorbing Taiwan into their system through soft power, through economic ties, through financial ties, family ties.
00:31:46.000 I think that's what the cultural ties are.
00:31:48.000 I think that's what they want.
00:31:49.000 I think they would prefer to be on that sort of, you know, Taiwan's like a 50-year plan, like a 100-year plan.
00:31:53.000 But what I'm saying is, if they were led down that path, if there were a financial crisis and a leadership crisis that they were going to pin on Xi Jinping, and then he felt that his leadership and that his role was threatened.
00:32:07.000 Remember, when Mao felt that his role was threatened after the Great Leap Forward, what did he do?
00:32:12.000 He launched the Chinese Cultural Revolution, around the country, ginned up the Red Guards 10 years, everything shut down. 0.60
00:32:19.000 If Xi Jinping feels threatened, it's Taiwan.
00:32:22.000 It's definitely going to be Taiwan. 0.98
00:32:23.000 But that's the test of this current administration, right?
00:32:27.000 It's 2 a.m. Joe Biden gets woke up and they say the ships are, I mean, the planes are on their way.
00:32:35.000 They're going to Taipei.
00:32:37.000 What do we do?
00:32:38.000 Is that basically what we're saying?
00:32:39.000 I mean, it's going to be that quick.
00:32:41.000 It's going to be 2 a.m.
00:32:42.000 We have to make a call to burst.
00:32:44.000 Are we going to shoot down Chinese ships in the air? 0.91
00:32:45.000 Try to shut Chinese planes in the air. 1.00
00:32:48.000 Chinese planes have been breaching Taiwanese airspace since the day Joe Biden was inaugurated.
00:32:55.000 But you know what I mean?
00:32:57.000 No, I'm just saying, those sorties are getting bigger.
00:33:00.000 So they're doing it now.
00:33:01.000 Right.
00:33:01.000 So once that Rubicon officially gets packed, and they say, okay, they're now sending amphibious ground troops.
00:33:07.000 Like, we know what this is, right?
00:33:08.000 Right.
00:33:09.000 We're going to have to make a decision.
00:33:10.000 You're going to have mines in the Taiwan Strait.
00:33:12.000 You're going to have their, and they're not conducting secondary.
00:33:14.000 Have we not been guarding the strait between Taiwan and mainland China?
00:33:18.000 Is that right?
00:33:19.000 Well, and this is something you go back, even Bill Clinton, right?
00:33:22.000 When Taiwan had their first presidential election, even Bill Clinton sent naval ships and naval vessels to defend the Taiwan Strait in a show of force because China didn't want Taiwan to hold those elections.
00:33:34.000 Even Bill, this was a bipartisan thing, right?
00:33:36.000 This was something Democrats and Republicans broadly agreed on.
00:33:38.000 It said, you are not going to get Taiwan.
00:33:40.000 We do have a treaty with them.
00:33:41.000 We do have the defense signatory with them.
00:33:44.000 China tries to say that we have this letter, but no, when it comes down to it, we still send them missiles. 0.54
00:33:49.000 We still send them weapons.
00:33:50.000 We have that obligation to the defense of Taiwan.
00:33:54.000 The question then becomes: is Biden going to abide by that?
00:33:58.000 Is he going to stand up?
00:33:59.000 And when you look at Cuba, China, Russia, and Iran all released a statement saying that the United States should not interfere in Cuba.
00:34:08.000 Excuse me.
00:34:08.000 That's an island in our backyard.
00:34:10.000 We are the United States.
00:34:11.000 Russia's saying that.
00:34:12.000 We are the great power.
00:34:13.000 They are the interference.
00:34:14.000 Right.
00:34:14.000 We are the great power.
00:34:16.000 We are the great power.
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00:34:23.000 We don't have equal talents.
00:34:25.000 We don't have equal desires.
00:34:27.000 We don't have equal outcomes.
00:34:29.000 But we're all equal.
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00:36:23.000 So Jack, the question is, should we get involved then if the Chinese government says we want to take back Taiwan and we have to make that snap decision?
00:36:32.000 Should we interfere?
00:36:35.000 Well, the question becomes basically, does the U.S. live up to its word?
00:36:39.000 And this is essentially the bind that we're in, right?
00:36:43.000 Is it a situation where the U.S. has made it their decision, right?
00:36:47.000 Let's look at Afghanistan, for example, right?
00:36:48.000 Take the Afghanistan example.
00:36:50.000 So in Afghanistan, it was very much our decision, okay, we're done here, right?
00:36:54.000 This is done.
00:36:55.000 It's over.
00:36:56.000 That was something that Trump made throughout four years while he was in office, something he campaigned on.
00:37:01.000 And then eventually even Biden had, and it's very interesting that Biden doesn't even say it publicly, but he's like, he kind of just acquiesces and says, yeah, we were wrong throughout the entire Obama administration and you were right.
00:37:12.000 We're just going to do it.
00:37:13.000 But we haven't had that on Taiwan.
00:37:15.000 We haven't had that entire system of going through and explaining why we're going to renege on our obligations.
00:37:21.000 And this is a problem for us.
00:37:22.000 It's a problem for us, number one, as the guarantor of freedom around the world.
00:37:27.000 That's what the raison debt of the U.S. is.
00:37:30.000 And it's also a problem because we do have those obligations longstanding when it comes to Taiwan.
00:37:34.000 This isn't a situation where, you know, we've essentially invaded to take out the Taliban, et cetera, et cetera, and so forth, right?
00:37:42.000 We have that situation in place and we've promised them that we will defend them.
00:37:47.000 I think a general principle is, I'm not a neoconservative.
00:37:50.000 I think a lot of these endless wars are a project of the war industry.
00:37:54.000 We shouldn't want, by the way, any of these things.
00:37:57.000 I also think that we shouldn't seek to be an empire or imperialist at the same time.
00:38:03.000 Any other country that tries to be an empire or imperialist must be stopped short immediately.
00:38:08.000 And so that's a balance that we always have to be able to strike.
00:38:10.000 So the Chinese Communist Party wants this to start taking over islands.
00:38:14.000 Like, that's not going to work.
00:38:15.000 So here's the thing, too, that, like, and I would say this to folks who are looking at the situation.
00:38:22.000 Think of the repercussions on the world stage of the U.S. losing a major military conflict like that.
00:38:31.000 It would be catastrophic.
00:38:32.000 Well, and so let's talk about what that conflict looks like.
00:38:34.000 World Reserve Currency, gone, right?
00:38:36.000 Balance of trade.
00:38:37.000 We've already lost the balance of trade in the world.
00:38:39.000 Now people would look at us as a joke.
00:38:40.000 So let's talk.
00:38:41.000 Taiwan is an island.
00:38:43.000 Yep.
00:38:44.000 And it's no bigger than Puerto Rico.
00:38:46.000 Is that fair to say?
00:38:47.000 Give or take.
00:38:48.000 Okay.
00:38:48.000 It also has several outlying islands in the Strait that it has sovereignty over so that it would deploy military forces there as well.
00:38:57.000 And also responsible for almost all the microchip industries in the world.
00:39:02.000 And that's what it's all about.
00:39:03.000 That's really, that is the gateway for all of your smartphones.
00:39:06.000 They are the Silicon Valley of microchips.
00:39:08.000 And that includes cars, too, by the way.
00:39:10.000 Just so we're clear.
00:39:12.000 So Joe Biden gets that call or whatever, knock on the door at 2 a.m.
00:39:17.000 Right.
00:39:17.000 And by the way, I wish that all of that was in the United States.
00:39:20.000 It should be.
00:39:21.000 I wish it was in like a market.
00:39:22.000 It's unacceptable that it isn't, but our leaders, quite honestly, didn't care about the country when you and I were kids.
00:39:28.000 And so, Jack, what's the likelihood?
00:39:32.000 Let's just go through probability, which I know is kind of a frustrating thing for some people to do.
00:39:36.000 What's the likelihood that the CCP makes an aggressive military maneuver to retake Taiwan?
00:39:42.000 I would say I would say right now it's at 50-50.
00:39:46.000 I really would.
00:39:47.000 Because, again, prior to Xi Jinping's rise, I probably would have put it much lower.
00:39:52.000 But with Xi Jinping being such an X factor, because he is now going...
00:39:56.000 So beyond 2022.
00:39:57.000 So 2022 is when Xi Jinping was supposed to step down.
00:40:01.000 That was the end of his 10-year term as the general secretary of the party.
00:40:06.000 They didn't even say president, by the way, in Chinese.
00:40:08.000 They say Chairman Xi.
00:40:10.000 And so that is what he essentially changed in their system.
00:40:14.000 He said, I'm going to be president for life.
00:40:16.000 I'm going to be the leader for life.
00:40:18.000 In 2022, if he is faced with a rival, if he is faced with a serious, what they would call loss of face or lack of leadership, crisis of leadership, I think Taiwan would be his number one priority to say.
00:40:32.000 And it wouldn't take much, right?
00:40:35.000 It would probably start off with like a phishing dispute or one boat hits another boat at the same time.
00:40:42.000 Gulf of Tonkin type stuff.
00:40:43.000 Or something where, so China fields what they call the little blue men. 0.96
00:40:50.000 And it's essentially these militias that are signed up to be subservient to the People's Liberation Army Navy, the PLAN, the Chinese Navy.
00:40:58.000 And they're not uniformed, but they are trained.
00:41:02.000 And they operate as a kind of quasi-paramilitary force for China.
00:41:07.000 So you get those guys into one of those things, and they will then have plausible deniability to say, oh, we didn't order this.
00:41:13.000 We didn't want this to happen.
00:41:14.000 But now that it has happened, then China will say this Taiwanese aggression, the aggression of the rogue province must be ended.
00:41:23.000 They will not disrespect the Chinese people the way they have. 0.99
00:41:26.000 We must bring them to heal.
00:41:27.000 We must bring these dissidents to heal.
00:41:29.000 They have robbed China of their birthright for this. 0.99
00:41:33.000 So you think there's going to be a buildup?
00:41:34.000 So there'll be a buildup to that, and then that will spill over very quickly.
00:41:38.000 Again, if you're in that dynamic where Xi Jinping is already feeling threatened.
00:41:43.000 And that could result in the largest geopolitical conflict since World War II.
00:41:50.000 If the United States were to take it to that level of all-out war with China, it would be far beyond World War II.
00:41:57.000 Far beyond.
00:41:58.000 And do you think we're prepared for that?
00:42:00.000 No.
00:42:00.000 We're not prepared psychologically as a nation, and we're certainly not prepared militarily to take anything to that level.
00:42:06.000 And by the way, Xi Jinping and his generals, they know it.
00:42:10.000 They absolutely know it.
00:42:11.000 And that's what they're going to be telling him.
00:42:13.000 They're going to say, go ahead and take Taiwan because the U.S. is not ready to fight and they won't fight.
00:42:19.000 That will just let it happen.
00:42:20.000 They'll put up, you know, it's like the South China Sea, right?
00:42:25.000 So when I was a Navy officer, you know, and I'm looking at the South China Sea, and I would say, write my report and say, hey, they're building islands.
00:42:32.000 Hey, the islands are getting bigger.
00:42:34.000 Hey, they're putting military stuff on the islands.
00:42:36.000 Hey, they've got an aircraft carrier and they're using the islands to, you know, conduct aircraft trials, right, when it comes to the aircraft carrier, right?
00:42:44.000 And then we would just make note of it.
00:42:46.000 And then you might put out some dispatch or some release, or oh, there's going to be a very strongly worded United Nations letter about the whole thing.
00:42:53.000 But at the end of the day, we give and we give and we give to China on all of these fronts.
00:42:59.000 Meanwhile, what are they doing with One Belt, One Road?
00:43:01.000 They're building, they're building infrastructure through Xinjiang.
00:43:04.000 So Xinjiang, the Uyghurs, all of that, it's about them, but it's not about them.
00:43:08.000 It's about what?
00:43:09.000 It's about Afghanistan, Pakistan, and access to the Persian Gulf and access to the oil there, right?
00:43:14.000 They want Iranian oil flowing through pipelines that go up through Pakistan.
00:43:18.000 And then look at the map, right through that area of Xinjiang when the Uyghurs just happen to be in the way, right? 1.00
00:43:24.000 So forget about them.
00:43:25.000 I guess we got to get rid of you.
00:43:26.000 So that's why you have a million in concentration camps now.
00:43:29.000 That's one side.
00:43:30.000 The other side, Thailand, Burma. 0.77
00:43:32.000 What's right in the middle?
00:43:33.000 India.
00:43:34.000 So India is now being encircled. 0.74
00:43:36.000 And you mentioned Tibet.
00:43:37.000 So Tibet, Xinjiang, that's right across the border from India.
00:43:40.000 India understands this, and China understands that their greatest rival in terms of population, in terms of economy, and in terms of military, able to fill a land military on the continent of Asia is India.
00:43:53.000 And so that is why when you look at One Belt, One Road, they are encircling India. 0.95
00:43:58.000 India's not, India's very point in all that is they're looking at what we would do and they're planning backwards from there. 0.98
00:44:10.000 Yeah, India could throw a wrench into their plans. 0.99
00:44:13.000 What's China's greatest weakness?
00:44:15.000 China's greatest weakness is its over-reliance on the party and its under-reliance on actually just believing in their own people and allowing their people to rise on their own and have that ability to sort of just have this.
00:44:30.000 I mean, it's cliched, but to have the same ability as people in a free nation would have to really grow their structure.
00:44:36.000 So there are protests in China every single day, every single week.
00:44:41.000 They're out in the provinces.
00:44:42.000 People don't hear about it.
00:44:44.000 It gets blocked on Chinese social media, WeChat, et cetera.
00:44:47.000 You don't hear about it.
00:44:49.000 Unemployment goes up in the U.S. a couple of points.
00:44:51.000 We say, okay, fine, we'll spend some more money.
00:44:54.000 We'll extend unemployment benefits.
00:44:55.000 Everyone will be fine.
00:44:56.000 Unemployment goes up in China.
00:44:58.000 Now you're talking just percentages.
00:45:00.000 That's millions and millions of people without work.
00:45:03.000 They already have a floating population of internal migrants, right?
00:45:08.000 This all goes back to the Hukou system. 0.93
00:45:09.000 We don't have time to get in all of that, but people who are essentially illegally working in cities where they haven't been given permission to work.
00:45:15.000 This is millions and millions of people that have been checked out of the Chinese system that aren't allowed access to capital.
00:45:23.000 They're not allowed access to work.
00:45:24.000 They're not allowed meaningful access into that middle class.
00:45:27.000 And so that lower class, the worker class, the Laobai Xing, so Laobai Xing is like, it's called the old hundred names.
00:45:32.000 It's sort of like the regular guy.
00:45:34.000 If you can separate that from the leadership of the party, what I call the 1% of China, because if you look at it 90 million versus 1.4 billion, it's about 1%.
00:45:43.000 If you can separate that and get them to understand that this party is not working in your interests, right?
00:45:50.000 This is why, by the way, when the pandemic first started, that was a very dangerous moment for Xi Jinping because they understand what happens in China. 0.85
00:45:58.000 They believe in a cyclical version of history and dynastic decline, dynastic cycles, right?
00:46:04.000 Every dynasty in China has fallen at some point.
00:46:06.000 And if you look at it through this lens, the Communist Party is just the new dynasty. 0.55
00:46:10.000 It's a modern dynasty.
00:46:12.000 And so what are one of the things that heralds the beginning of that decline cycle?
00:46:17.000 It's economic downturn, military defeat, famine, and pestilence, and disease.
00:46:24.000 So a widespread disease breaking out.
00:46:26.000 Xi Jinping knew.
00:46:28.000 They know their history.
00:46:29.000 Believe me.
00:46:29.000 They know their history.
00:46:30.000 That's why he described it as a demon from hell.
00:46:33.000 He used extreme language.
00:46:34.000 They believe in hell?
00:46:35.000 I didn't know that.
00:46:36.000 So they believe in a version of hell.
00:46:38.000 They believe in a version of hell.
00:46:39.000 The Confucian style of hell. 1.00
00:46:40.000 It's a very different, very different from the Western Judeo-Christian version, but it is a version.
00:46:46.000 It's definitely a version.
00:46:47.000 And the reason they framed it that way was to say, whoa, whoa, whoa, this does not say that we've lost the mandate of heaven.
00:46:55.000 No, no, no.
00:46:56.000 They believe in heaven too.
00:46:57.000 They believe in the mandate of heaven.
00:46:58.000 They believe in the mandate of heaven.
00:47:00.000 So we, of course, have the divine rights, but because we are the dynasty.
00:47:04.000 But this, this is not coming as a threat to us.
00:47:07.000 This is something that we will defeat.
00:47:08.000 And so there was a moment, a very real moment, where the CCP's legitimacy, writ large, was threatened by the coronavirus.
00:47:16.000 Do you think it was released intentionally?
00:47:18.000 I don't.
00:47:18.000 I don't think it was released intentionally.
00:47:20.000 I think a bioweapon released intentionally, number one, it wouldn't make sense for them to do that in their own population.
00:47:25.000 And number two, it just from the bioweapons that I've studied from my time in the IC and from microbiologists I spoke to in the wake of this, it just wouldn't look like so it was released accidentally, but then covered up intentionally.
00:47:39.000 That's basically what the way I look at it is.
00:47:41.000 But I also would really ask questions about why were those planes allowed to leave Beijing?
00:47:48.000 Why were those planes allowed to leave Shanghai?
00:47:50.000 Oh, they infected the world for sure.
00:47:52.000 They blocked travel internally and enhanced travel externally.
00:47:56.000 So they wanted to infect the world.
00:47:58.000 Go back to the Chinese ambassador to India's statements, or excuse me, Italy's statements, very early on when Italy was talking about shutting down.
00:48:05.000 He called them racist.
00:48:07.000 He called them you're fear-mongering.
00:48:10.000 How dare you?
00:48:11.000 How dare you say these things to China?
00:48:12.000 How dare you say that we should shut down travel with China?
00:48:16.000 They knew what was going on, and I believe that they made a strategic decision that if there's going to be a pandemic, why should we be the only ones who suffer?
00:48:25.000 And I don't know if the world is ready to hold them accountable.
00:48:29.000 It's very interesting, right?
00:48:30.000 Because even the WHO at this point, who was the strongest defender of China early on, even Dr. Tedros, who has done everything he could to help this cover-up, has come out now.
00:48:41.000 Finally, we're almost two years into this thing.
00:48:44.000 And even finally, now he's come out and said, you know, I have worked in a lab and accidents do happen.
00:48:50.000 I said, really?
00:48:51.000 Really?
00:48:52.000 So go back 18 months when I'm sitting there in January 2020 and the Trump administration is coming out shutting this down.
00:48:59.000 And we said, we are worried about what's going on in that lab.
00:49:01.000 And you were shutting us down.
00:49:02.000 You were banning our accounts.
00:49:04.000 You were going after our followers and you were calling us every name under the sun instead of saying, you know, accidents do happen.
00:49:11.000 And the cover-up was one of the great crimes ever done.
00:49:14.000 But the cover-up was more importantly not just done on the CCP side.
00:49:20.000 And it's because it was done to cover up the fact that the United States had a hand in that lab.
00:49:26.000 Oh, of course.
00:49:27.000 Absolutely.
00:49:28.000 How significant?
00:49:30.000 So that's what we don't know because we haven't seen the data.
00:49:33.000 But when it comes, and they won't let us see the data, but when it comes down to it, Dr. Fauci knew what he funded in that lab.
00:49:39.000 We have his emails now.
00:49:40.000 We have Peter Dashak's emails now.
00:49:42.000 These people were in the meetings early on.
00:49:44.000 They could have stepped up directly and said, you know what?
00:49:47.000 By the way, we've been studying coronaviruses in Wuhan.
00:49:50.000 We've been doing these gain of function tests.
00:49:52.000 This is very similar to X, Y, and Z experiments that we did.
00:49:56.000 And we think that we can use some of these strains to create a treatment that's going to, you know, that was the point, right?
00:50:01.000 They told us again and again, that was the point for conducting these.
00:50:04.000 But that's not what they did, is it?
00:50:06.000 They lied about it.
00:50:07.000 They covered it up.
00:50:08.000 They never once told us that they were actually funding these types of enhancement.
00:50:13.000 And that's what's actually bigger.
00:50:15.000 And I worry that what they're doing now is they're appealing back one layer of the onion and saying, okay, there was a leak, fine, but it was just an accident.
00:50:22.000 No, You were doing something in that lab to create enhanced viruses.
00:50:30.000 And like, I go back to those early briefings, the task force briefings where I was paying attention.
00:50:35.000 And Dr. Fauci's up there, and what is he talking about?
00:50:38.000 Spike proteins, ACE2 receptors, spike proteins, ACE2 receptors, right?
00:50:42.000 I can read a report, I can hear those functions.
00:50:44.000 And then I look at the studies that they were working on.
00:50:46.000 And then they stopped talking about it.
00:50:47.000 And they completely stopped talking about it.
00:50:49.000 And you look at the studies, they said, well, we inserted the spike protein into the bat coronaviruses.
00:50:55.000 And then we used something which they call transgenic mice.
00:50:59.000 And transgenic mice means they injected ACE2 receptors into mice so that they would have the same type of functionality as human lungs to see if those.
00:51:09.000 those newly enhanced viruses would then infect the humanized mice.
00:51:13.000 These are chimeras.
00:51:14.000 So they were essentially doing, again, spike proteins, ACE2 receptors.
00:51:20.000 So that's the extent of my scientific knowledge, but that is very alarming to me.
00:51:25.000 And I would like to know whether or not that played any role whatsoever.
00:51:29.000 And we're not going to know that until we can get into the Wuhan lab.
00:51:32.000 I agree.
00:51:33.000 Jack, thank you for joining us.
00:51:35.000 How could people follow you and stay in touch with you?
00:51:37.000 Best way to follow me is humanevents.com.
00:51:39.000 People can always go there and find the latest scoops.
00:51:42.000 And very, very soon, there might be something called, I don't forget, it's Turning Point Live.
00:51:47.000 We're going to do that September 13th, Turning Point USA Live.
00:51:51.000 A little way to follow me on there.
00:51:52.000 We're excited about that.
00:51:53.000 Thanks, Jack.
00:51:53.000 Thanks, Charlie.
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