The Charlie Kirk Show - Wargaming the Trump Indictments with Citizen Kane and Libby Emmons

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00:00:01.000 Today on the Charlie Kirk show, Libby Emmons joins us to discuss the hoax campaign that was launched against me and this show.

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00:01:26.000 Welcome back, everybody.

00:01:27.000 We have one of my favorite guests.

00:01:28.000 He runs an impressive website.

00:01:30.000 I visit it multiple times a day, Citizens Free Press.

00:01:33.000 We have Citizen Kane on the line.

00:01:36.000 Mr. Kane, welcome to the program.

00:01:38.000 First and most important question: Do you have Indiana winning at all?

00:01:42.000 And if yes, what is wrong with you?

00:01:46.000 Well, hey, you're Evanston Boys, Northwestern.

00:01:49.000 I know.

00:01:50.000 That's right.

00:01:51.000 How great was that?

00:01:52.000 And also, Princeton the other day, which I hate to cheer for woke schools, but you are a big IU guy, though, aren't you? 0.52

00:02:00.000 Yeah, I grew up.

00:02:01.000 Starting at age four, we had six row seats behind the bench.

00:02:05.000 When we moved to Bloomington in the early 70s, Bob Knight had just taken the job at IU after having come from West Point, and he accumulated this group of four or five doctors who were all about Knight's age.

00:02:21.000 And it's a weird little side story.

00:02:23.000 So these are doctors, surgeons, radiologists, anesthesiologists with full practice, with full practices.

00:02:30.000 And Knight would demand that they attend the IU basketball practice every day.

00:02:35.000 I kid you not for two and a half hours.

00:02:38.000 And yeah, anyway, so yeah, you know, I'm a believer in the Hoosiers.

00:02:43.000 All schools are woke, so I don't hold that against Princeton.

00:02:47.000 And that was a heck of a game yesterday, Princeton.

00:02:51.000 There were some awesome games.

00:02:52.000 So we're going to get a lot of hate mail because our audience doesn't like it when we talk sports because they say it's all woke, it's all terrible.

00:02:57.000 I just love, I love, I love college basketball, and that's not going to change.

00:03:01.000 So, Kane, several topics I want to explore with you, but when you're on the program, it seems you and I are in harmony.

00:03:07.000 And I looking at your website, I can kind of get a little bit into your own personal calculus, especially when what stories you're elevating and which ones you're highlighting.

00:03:18.000 Which you had a really powerful warning the other day where you said, MAGA World, get ready.

00:03:24.000 Trump is probably going to be indicted.

00:03:26.000 Tell us about that.

00:03:28.000 Yeah, well, a couple of things.

00:03:30.000 Yeah, I use colors.highlight headlines.

00:03:33.000 And, you know, I'm a truth teller, Charlie.

00:03:35.000 I'm like you.

00:03:35.000 I don't want to hold anything back from the MAGA audience.

00:03:40.000 And so what it was is it was an Atlanta Journal Constitution article.

00:03:45.000 They went deep, a deep dive into the Fulton County grand jury.

00:03:49.000 And it was published two days ago.

00:03:52.000 It's on my site.

00:03:53.000 And you read that story.

00:03:54.000 A long story, but there's no way you can read that story, which has in-depth interviews with several of the jurors of the grand jurors.

00:04:03.000 There's no way you can read that without coming to the conclusion that they recommended that President Trump be indicted, amongst others.

00:04:11.000 But I'll quickly say, you know, you wonder, well, how do you read the tea leaves?

00:04:14.000 You know, they were talking about the heartstrings they had for Ruby Freeman and about the election workers who had received threats and stuff.

00:04:26.000 So it was just so obvious from reading that.

00:04:30.000 You know, the jurors are only allowed to say so, the grand jurors are only allowed to say so much.

00:04:35.000 And it was obvious with what they were saying that they recommended that Fanny in Fulton County file charges.

00:04:45.000 So a couple things.

00:04:46.000 I think it's important that we get ahead of this and we make sure people are expecting an indictment, because then I think it will kind of get rid of some of the sizzle.

00:04:54.000 Don't you agree?

00:04:55.000 I think that we need to brace the base for impact on this and then speak openly and honestly about what that means.

00:05:05.000 And so let me ask you, let's say Trump gets indicted in Fulton County and Manhattan. 0.91

00:05:11.000 I don't legally, I don't think it can bar him from running in any state as even if he becomes a convicted felon, which would be so ridiculous and so outrageous and so awful.

00:05:20.000 But do you think that helps him, hurts him, or it makes him stay neutral in a Republican primary?

00:05:27.000 Yeah, that's it's a really great question.

00:05:29.000 It's super complicated.

00:05:30.000 I have a story near the top this morning.

00:05:32.000 Axios tries to sort of analyze the various indictments.

00:05:35.000 So let's break it down first.

00:05:38.000 Here's what I think.

00:05:39.000 I don't think there's anyone coordinating at all, but they all understand that they want Trump out, right?

00:05:44.000 They do not want him in the race in 2024.

00:05:47.000 So I feel like they're going to try to kill him with indictments.

00:05:51.000 So the Axios article talks about the Alvin Bragg and the Manhattan prosecution on the Stormy Daniels case.

00:05:58.000 So let's handle that one first.

00:06:00.000 Even Axios is skeptical of it.

00:06:02.000 They talk about the possibility of a judge tossing that case before it would even make it to trial.

00:06:07.000 And, you know, and I think that one's been litigated enough and there's enough doubt that that's the one I least worry about.

00:06:15.000 However, as Axios claims, that's likely to be the first criminal indictment.

00:06:20.000 So we have that one.

00:06:22.000 Then we've got Fulton County.

00:06:23.000 As you and I have talked on two previous occasions, that one's going to happen.

00:06:28.000 It seems really, really obvious.

00:06:30.000 Who else will be indicted besides Trump?

00:06:32.000 I'm not sure.

00:06:33.000 But then that one's going to come down to the jury.

00:06:36.000 Now let's jump to DOJ and Jack Smith.

00:06:39.000 You know, they talk about that in the Axios article.

00:06:42.000 Did the, you know, the Biden classified documents, does that dilute the potential of a Mar-a-Lago case, DOJ, Mar-a-Lago case against Trump?

00:06:51.000 But there's still the January 6th case.

00:06:54.000 So I'm going to say that I think there will probably be at least two indictments, Manhattan and Fulton County, and the potential for a third from DOJ.

00:07:03.000 Now to your question of, is it important that we talk about this ahead of time?

00:07:07.000 Absolutely.

00:07:08.000 We have to be prepared for this.

00:07:11.000 Just like you said, it takes the sizzle away.

00:07:13.000 Let's not be surprised.

00:07:14.000 Let's not be shocked.

00:07:16.000 If we know that this stuff is coming and we can sort of plan for it and do some war gaming, then we're going to be better prepared.

00:07:23.000 And then the last part of your question was about what does it do to Trump?

00:07:28.000 Well, what we saw in Mar-a-Lago, right, when they seized the documents, everybody rallied around Trump.

00:07:34.000 Even the never Trumpers rallied around Trump.

00:07:37.000 So I think the initial reaction to a Manhattan indictment or a Georgia indictment will be rallying around him.

00:07:44.000 But what Democrats are hoping, and this is why I talked about the three potential indictments, they're obviously hoping that they can kill Trump with innuendo, right?

00:07:55.000 Get it out there so that every time CBS mentions his name, it's the triple indicted President Trump.

00:08:01.000 That's correct.

00:08:02.000 You know, it's all about dragging him down in the press, in the media, and perception.

00:08:09.000 And then that's when we'll see if there's anyone from the, you know, the other Republicans who would rise up.

00:08:16.000 Yeah, in the primary, I think that in certain states, this helps him because Trump's most powerful shtick is they are doing everything they can to prevent me from fighting from you for, right?

00:08:28.000 Like that they are throwing everything at me.

00:08:31.000 And I mean, after two impeachments and after all these investigations, if you're trying to tell me that the Republican base is going to be moved by some stormy Daniels Michael Avenati thing that, I mean, are you kidding me?

00:08:46.000 Or some phone call to Fulton County while violent crime is going up and we have 5,000 people coming across our border every single day, that the top concern of the Manhattan and the Fulton County DA is, you know, Donald Trump's singular phone call and something it's so outrageous.

00:09:05.000 It's so preposterous.

00:09:06.000 It's so totalitarian.

00:09:08.000 But let me ask you, do you think in the Republican primary, some of these other candidates, do they get a little bit of wind from this?

00:09:18.000 Are they able to get more donor support?

00:09:20.000 Like, let's talk about the primary in particular.

00:09:22.000 How, if anything, do you think this changes the primary?

00:09:25.000 Okay.

00:09:25.000 Well, so I'll first say what you said.

00:09:29.000 You're absolutely correct.

00:09:30.000 It helps Trump in certain states if he's indicted.

00:09:33.000 That's a natural human reaction, right?

00:09:36.000 We rally around our leader when he's under attack.

00:09:39.000 So now let's get to the primaries, as you said.

00:09:43.000 It's look, Charlie, I think it's only Trump or DeSantis.

00:09:48.000 I don't really even want to talk about DeSantis because he has, I mean, I don't mind talking about him, but he hasn't announced, right?

00:09:54.000 And so we know the media wants to create division and create this wedge between Trump and DeSantis.

00:10:01.000 And I still would hope potentially that they both could be on the ticket.

00:10:04.000 Like I haven't given up that dream.

00:10:08.000 But no, so I don't think any of the other candidates are going to gain any ground.

00:10:11.000 I like the vec.

00:10:12.000 I love his energy.

00:10:13.000 I love his ideas.

00:10:16.000 But no, I don't think it's going to help any others.

00:10:18.000 It would only help Ron DeSantis.

00:10:20.000 I mean, I think, let's be real, if Trump falls, DeSantis will rise.

00:10:27.000 I think if you ask 90% of Republicans, they would say they just want to win in 2024.

00:10:33.000 They like Trump and they like DeSantis, both of them.

00:10:38.000 So there would be some scrambling.

00:10:40.000 But Trump, look, Trump will not give up and he's still the man.

00:10:43.000 We've seen the polls.

00:10:44.000 Trump is gaining in these polls.

00:10:47.000 The more candidates who enter, the better Trump does.

00:10:50.000 So I want to ask you, Kane, you're seeing a lot of stories, a lot of energy behind stories.

00:10:57.000 What do you think right now are the big ones that we should focus on?

00:11:01.000 Things that you're really seeing a lot of traffic, where the base is getting enthused.

00:11:06.000 What are the stories we're missing that we should focus more on?

00:11:09.000 Your thoughts.

00:11:11.000 So the number one story people should focus more on is the run that Northwestern is going to make in the NCAA tournament.

00:11:19.000 It's their first win ever.

00:11:21.000 It's only the second time that they've been in the big dance.

00:11:23.000 17 was the first time, which yeah, that was a great win last night over Boise State.

00:11:28.000 You know, Northwestern, it's amazing.

00:11:30.000 Doug Collins Jr., I guess, Doug Collins Jr., he was Big Ten coach of the year this year.

00:11:36.000 And last year, he was in the hot seat, right?

00:11:39.000 His job was in trouble.

00:11:41.000 He played for Duke and Shyszewski.

00:11:43.000 Yep.

00:11:44.000 And came over to Northwestern and came out hot, you know, five, six years ago.

00:11:49.000 But anyway, it's tough.

00:11:51.000 You know, look, I'm going to say something real quick to all the viewers who hate us talking about sports.

00:11:56.000 Look, for alpha men, for us testosterone guys, we grew up playing sports.

00:12:01.000 This is part of our life.

00:12:02.000 This is how we get a break for exactly right.

00:12:05.000 I totally agree.

00:12:05.000 So back off, number one, back off.

00:12:08.000 Number two, this is our special time of the year.

00:12:10.000 This is totally agree.

00:12:13.000 I said that on air yesterday, Kane.

00:12:15.000 I said it is the most wonderful time of year.

00:12:17.000 It's the four greatest days that God creates of the year in the sports calendar.

00:12:21.000 There's nothing close to it.

00:12:22.000 One of my buddies growing up, who's a chemist for Eli Lilly, he flies out to Las Vegas for these five days.

00:12:29.000 He leaves his wife, his two children, flies to Las Vegas, and goes into sort of a betting orgasmic euphoria, euphoria for five days and just playing all these games.

00:12:41.000 I'm not a better at all, by the way.

00:12:44.000 But so great on Northwestern and great on schools like Northwestern, Princeton, and Stanford, who can field outstanding basketball teams, you know, against SEC and Big Ten and other Big Ten teams with no academic standards.

00:12:58.000 Yeah, I mean, like, yeah, Pac-12 Arizona lost to Princeton.

00:13:01.000 Continue, though.

00:13:02.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:13:03.000 Awesome.

00:13:04.000 I couldn't believe it.

00:13:06.000 I really, really couldn't believe Princeton came back and won that game.

00:13:08.000 But anyway, so what's on people's radar?

00:13:11.000 Well, obviously the bank stuff, right?

00:13:13.000 Let's talk about the bailouts a little bit because there's some weird stuff going on.

00:13:18.000 Janet Yellen was in the Senate yesterday and she flatly refused to say that every bank in America is protected in the way that Silicon Valley Bank is, meaning that deposits above 250,000 would be covered.

00:13:32.000 Now, here's a little caveat.

00:13:34.000 And I made sure to put this headline on CFP earlier in the week.

00:13:37.000 In our history, since the FDIC was created, every single bank that has failed, depositors got 100 cents on the dollar for uninsured deposits in every single case except for IndyMac.

00:13:51.000 IndyMac failed in 2009, I think, along with Washington Mutual and several of the others.

00:13:57.000 And IndyMac really, so my point is, it's been a standard thing that we handle uninsured deposits, but SV Bank is an outlier because 97% of their deposits were uninsured, right?

00:14:10.000 And so banks generally are not that way.

00:14:15.000 And I'll tell you one other thing that gave me some, you know, some pause on this is I feel like, look, if they don't bail out, if they don't generally take care of uninsured depositors, two things are going to happen.

00:14:28.000 One, when the MAGA bank fails, we know they're not going to take care of them, right?

00:14:32.000 And number two, that it causes, it causes all wealthy individuals and all corporations to leave regional banks, right?

00:14:42.000 If you put a million dollars in a regional bank and it's essentially an unsecured loan to that bank above the 250 limit, why would you do that?

00:14:52.000 That's going to be second tier if you can go into any of the too big to fail banks when your deposit is absolutely safe.

00:14:59.000 So it sort of creates this moral hazard.

00:15:02.000 And I think that's what we've been, you know, I've had CNBC on all week and I'm a former trader and investment banker and I love this stuff.

00:15:09.000 And that's what the street is trying to figure out is: are all banks safe?

00:15:14.000 You know, if Old National Bank in Indiana collapses, are deposits above 250,000 safe.

00:15:20.000 So, so bank deposits, so the bank bailouts have been a really, really big thing.

00:15:26.000 Yeah, this is more of a system question.

00:15:28.000 Go ahead, please.

00:15:29.000 No, no, I'm going to take, I want to take a breath.

00:15:29.000 Yes.

00:15:31.000 You go ahead.

00:15:32.000 No, I mean, we only have about 40 seconds, but this is more of a question of can the fractional banking system continue, right?

00:15:39.000 That is a really scary question because it has been a major ingredient to our material prosperity.

00:15:45.000 20 seconds, close it up, Kane.

00:15:47.000 Tell us about how things are.

00:15:48.000 Yeah, I mean, look, look, if everybody tried to take their money out at the same time, every bank in the world would fail.

00:15:55.000 All healthy banks would fail.

00:15:56.000 Banks take in deposits and they lend them out to help the economy grow.

00:16:00.000 So, yeah, that's fractional reserve banking and it requires confidence.

00:16:04.000 Charlie, it was awesome to be with you.

00:16:06.000 God bless you.

00:16:07.000 Go Northwestern, and I look forward to the next time, brother.

00:16:10.000 And we'll see how IU does.

00:16:11.000 God bless you, Kane.

00:16:12.000 Thank you so much.

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00:17:17.000 Joining us now is Libby Emmons, Human Events, and also the post-millennial.

00:17:22.000 Libby has done a considerable amount of research that helps me and also has been really helpful to all of us to learn about how the heck did the riot happen this week at UC Davis.

00:17:33.000 And one of the reasons the riot happened is because an unsubstantiated internet rumor that originated from a trans hoaxer called Aaron Reed, a man who thinks he's a woman. 0.55

00:17:46.000 This hoaxer said that Charlie Kirk stands, Charlie Kirk believes that trans people should be lynched.

00:17:53.000 That is not just untrue.

00:17:54.000 It is the opposite of the truth.

00:17:55.000 It is against my beliefs and against my values.

00:17:58.000 I never said it nor insinuated it.

00:17:59.000 That then turned into the Sacramento B and then the UC Chancellor, Gary May.

00:18:06.000 Libby is with us now.

00:18:07.000 Libby, what have you learned about this individual?

00:18:09.000 Yeah, so this person is Erin Reed, a trans activist, a male who poses as a woman and goes on Twitter to talk all about various kinds of legislation that are being passed in the U.S. and specifically digs into those bills,

00:18:28.000 tracks them, and also decided that your comments when you were speaking with swimmer Riley Gaines were tantamount to calling for trans people to be lynched.

00:18:40.000 Anyone who watches those comments knows for sure that that's not what you were saying.

00:18:45.000 Anyone who listens to you speak also knows for sure that that's how you were saying.

00:18:50.000 You are often advocating for peace.

00:18:52.000 That happens repeatedly.

00:18:55.000 Yeah, so Reed's comments were then picked up by the Sacramento Bee and others who determined that Reed was correct without looking into it at all.

00:19:09.000 And I was actually sort of stunned that then those comments actually made their way to the chancellor of UC Davis where you were speaking on Tuesday.

00:19:18.000 And that chancellor, while not exactly repeating those comments, clearly was under the impression that comments like those were accurate.

00:19:28.000 Yeah.

00:19:29.000 And so does this person have a pattern of doing this?

00:19:33.000 Yeah, this has been, you know, this has been a pattern.

00:19:38.000 I was actually speaking with post-millennial senior editor Andy No about this, who gave me some more information about Reed's background.

00:19:48.000 And, you know, that was actually pretty interesting.

00:19:51.000 Reed had made comments about Daily Wire's Matt Walsh that were false as well.

00:19:58.000 And I can pull up some of the other comments that were made as well.

00:20:05.000 Reed also advocates for the selling of male Girl Scout cookies, which is kind of an interesting thing as well.

00:20:16.000 And the comments were actually so false that the Sacramento Bee had to apologize.

00:20:22.000 Although the article is still up in other places, I noticed that it's still on Yahoo.

00:20:27.000 It's still up.

00:20:28.000 And, you know, it's really interesting, Libby.

00:20:30.000 I started to sense the power of the defamation a couple weeks ago at University of California, Santa Barbara.

00:20:37.000 And I texted Andrew afterwards.

00:20:38.000 I said, we might have a problem here from this internet rumor because I was doing a change my mind type open table deal, as you've seen me do before, Libby.

00:20:46.000 Sit and take questions.

00:20:47.000 Anyone can say whatever they want to me.

00:20:49.000 And we have dialogue for about two hours.

00:20:50.000 It's really nice.

00:20:51.000 But a couple kids came up to me and they said, Charlie, why do you want trans people to be lynched? 0.97

00:20:55.000 I was like, what the hell are you talking about?

00:20:56.000 And they said, oh, yeah, I see it on the internet here.

00:20:58.000 I said, no, watch the video.

00:20:59.000 Like, I mean, watch what it says.

00:21:01.000 And they walked away, came back and said, oh, yeah, it's not true.

00:21:03.000 And so that didn't really phase me.

00:21:05.000 And then another young man who is really sweet came to our event and said, Charlie, what did you mean by this?

00:21:10.000 Excuse me.

00:21:11.000 But Lily, Libby, this has a pattern, doesn't it?

00:21:15.000 Yeah, it does have a pattern.

00:21:19.000 Reid reaffirmed the commitment to political violence, suggesting that violence is innate to LGBT people, saying that here it is here. 1.00

00:21:36.000 Said to Andy, looks like the thought of drag queens with bricks scares Andy no.

00:21:41.000 Good, we won't let you ban pride, saying that they were going to fight back.

00:21:45.000 And that's just one of the examples.

00:21:49.000 There are other examples where there was an incident in North Carolina.

00:21:54.000 I don't know if your viewers will remember, but in North Carolina, there was a power station that was vandalized and another trans activist who also spreads hoax, whose name is Alejandra Caraballo, who testified before the Congress, in fact, and testified to all sorts of things that also are not true.

00:22:16.000 Caraballo said that it was right-wing fascists that sabotaged this power plant.

00:22:22.000 The investigation there is still ongoing, but Reed picked it up and said that it was the Proud Boys and the Patriot Front.

00:22:31.000 No evidence at all that this was true.

00:22:35.000 And the scary part to me is that Reed is a voice expressing displeasure with bills across the country in various states, Tennessee, Texas, and other locations, Kentucky, and is saying directly that these are bills that harm trans kids.

00:22:55.000 These are bills that are a danger and are going to cost lives.

00:23:00.000 And Reed is someone who should not be trusted and has made themselves a name as sort of an expert on these bills and is someone who lies, who makes things up to boost their own narrative, goes into this with bias, goes into this reporting with a narrative that Reed is trying to uphold.

00:23:19.000 And I think that that's the scariest part is that the people who are following along and saying, oh, these bills are anti-trans kids are not aware at all of Reed's fabrications and calls for violence in the past.

00:23:33.000 Yeah.

00:23:34.000 And it's just, look, We're looking seriously at legal action.

00:23:38.000 We've been talking with Harmeet Dylan and many other people.

00:23:41.000 And so they also, the chancellor repeated the lies, right?

00:23:46.000 And said that I called for violence against trans people, not true.

00:23:51.000 And then the mob happened.

00:23:53.000 So there's damages, there's all sorts, there's costs associated.

00:23:57.000 But, you know, Libby, it's really interesting.

00:23:59.000 They lecture us about misinformation.

00:24:02.000 And this is not just misinformation.

00:24:06.000 It is a fiction, right?

00:24:08.000 And what's so fascinating about it is the Sacramento B then goes and posts it.

00:24:16.000 And the original response from the Sacramento B was interesting because I think they dug themselves actually a deeper hole. 1.00

00:24:23.000 They're so stupid. 1.00

00:24:24.000 Their legal department said, well, we don't think this crosses the threshold. 1.00

00:24:27.000 And then a couple hours later, they issue an apology and they take it down because I think it got kicked up to somebody who actually went to law school, not just some intern.

00:24:35.000 And they're like, yeah, this is not even close to the truth.

00:24:39.000 It's not opaque.

00:24:40.000 It is a material lie about Charlie Kirk.

00:24:43.000 And so, look, if we sue, we're going to ask for the order.

00:24:46.000 They can't allow to, we cannot allow these people to keep on doing this to us.

00:24:50.000 No, I agree with you.

00:24:52.000 It's also true, however, that the same people who are making up these lies about you are making up lies about reality and demanding that everyone believe them.

00:25:02.000 They are very interested in making sure that all of us believe the entire complete fabrication that a person can change sex simply by saying so or simply or going through medical procedures that change the appearance of the body and genitals.

00:25:20.000 This is a lie. 0.58

00:25:21.000 This is a complete lie.

00:25:23.000 Riley Gaines knew it was a lie when she was speaking to you and had actually seen Leah Thomas's entire situation in a locker room, which is something that no woman should be subjected to if that's not what she's trying to get involved with. 0.99

00:25:39.000 And I think it's clear that the swimmers who were competing against Thomas and the NCAA were not signed on for having a grown man in the locker room with them, watching everybody get undressed.

00:25:53.000 So I don't think that it's necessarily surprising that these people are making up facts about you, making up facts about other people who are speaking out against these lies because they are intentionally perpetrating lies anyway.

00:26:07.000 That's a huge part of what they're doing.

00:26:10.000 And so if they can convince us that you're lying or calling out, you know, making calls for violence, which you obviously are not doing, you're someone who actively courts the people that disagree with you to come talk and have debate.

00:26:24.000 So then if they can make up lies about you and make up lies about reality, they can do whatever they want.

00:26:30.000 You know, they'll just steamroll over everybody.

00:26:34.000 So yeah, I think that I think that it's important that people know that Aaron Reed is lying about you and also take a closer look at what Reed is saying about these bills across the country because I think Reid is probably making up lies about that as well.

00:26:51.000 It is a fascinating, I mean, when you are delusional, which is unfortunately this person is, they're delusional about their own reality, then why wouldn't they just lie?

00:27:01.000 I mean, truth is not a left-wing value.

00:27:03.000 It never has been.

00:27:04.000 It's about power.

00:27:05.000 It's very revenge-driven.

00:27:07.000 And, you know, it's really tragic because a lot of people can get hurt when this occurs.

00:27:13.000 And so, look, you got to fight back.

00:27:16.000 You got to do what you can to hold these people accountable.

00:27:19.000 And the legal system, it's hard because of New York Times v. Sullivan.

00:27:22.000 But look, the reporter said this, Rosialo Ahamunda or whatever.

00:27:27.000 I deleted a previous tweet because the language I used was not precise.

00:27:30.000 Apologies for the error.

00:27:32.000 And then the Sacramento Bee comes up and then reiterates their apology.

00:27:36.000 But Rosie Hollow Alamunda, this is a reporter for the Sacramento B, right?

00:27:41.000 During the riot, was saying several dozen people protest outside an event hosted by a conservative student group featuring right-wing speaker who has advocated violence against transgender people and misinformation.

00:27:52.000 Like, we're going to sue you too.

00:27:54.000 I mean, you're in the middle of the riot.

00:27:57.000 You need to be held accountable for all of this.

00:27:59.000 And if you look at the footage from that night, I know that there were a bunch of reporters out there covering what was going on.

00:28:08.000 The, you know, the conservative students were not out there being violent.

00:28:12.000 They were not out there shutting people down or vandalizing the campus.

00:28:16.000 They were not out there breaking windows or doing any of that kind of stuff.

00:28:21.000 And I think another key aspect of this, and as you said, the left has been lying for some time.

00:28:27.000 The left has said over the past several years, has gone on to say that words are violence.

00:28:34.000 They've been very specific in saying that words are violence.

00:28:37.000 And when you delude yourself into believing that what somebody says, whether you agree with it or not, is violence, then you can justify to yourself taking violent action in retaliation for those words.

00:28:51.000 Libby, let me ask you, you know, you do a lot of coverage of stories and you're very careful and you know the rules around that.

00:28:57.000 But how should people personally deal with being lied and slandered?

00:29:01.000 I mean, it's one thing to lie and slander about me.

00:29:03.000 We're going to hold these people accountable.

00:29:05.000 You can't do stuff like that.

00:29:06.000 But what really bothers me is they do this every day.

00:29:09.000 They do this to people in work environments.

00:29:11.000 They do this with people in communities.

00:29:13.000 What's the game plan?

00:29:14.000 What's the blueprint to fight back?

00:29:17.000 Yeah, so there's a lot of different advice that goes on to people how to deal with being slandered in the workplace or even just among friends and family.

00:29:27.000 And we see on Twitter all the time and social media people saying, you know, I cut my family out of my life because they're voting conservative.

00:29:35.000 Or, you know, I can't talk to my family anymore because they don't think that trans kids exist or whatever it is.

00:29:43.000 And I think that the only thing to do, Charlie, is to stand your ground and to stand on the truth.

00:29:49.000 There is nothing else for it.

00:29:51.000 You know, the truth is the truth and it can't really be obfuscated forever as much as these activists want to do that.

00:30:00.000 And as much as these trans activists specifically want to completely obliterate what we know to be true of reality. 0.79

00:30:09.000 So I think that the key thing is to stay calm, know your facts, know the truth, and stand on the word.

00:30:16.000 That's really all we have.

00:30:18.000 That's exactly right.

00:30:19.000 And, you know, it's really, it's interesting.

00:30:22.000 This is the trouble of the my truth movement because my truth versus another truth, you're all, I mean, the trans activists will say, no, it's my truth that Charlie said lynching.

00:30:32.000 And he probably believes that.

00:30:34.000 He probably believes that in his truth, I said that.

00:30:37.000 Even though I didn't, it's the opposite of what I say.

00:30:39.000 At some point, you have to have the truth, correct?

00:30:44.000 Yeah, I agree with you.

00:30:45.000 I was actually giving this some thought yesterday when I was considering relativism and how relativism led to the my truth concept and where that came from and what it's about.

00:30:57.000 And it's a lie.

00:30:58.000 Relativism is a lie.

00:31:00.000 There is right and wrong.

00:31:02.000 There is good and bad.

00:31:04.000 It is important to know the differences.

00:31:06.000 When you say that something is your truth, what you are saying is, this is my bias and this is my perception.

00:31:14.000 And I'm not interested in questioning that or weighing that perception or bias against other facts or other opinions or reality.

00:31:23.000 So, as soon as you start crossing your arms and saying, This is my truth, and you can't contradict that, what you are saying is not only that you are lying, you are lying to others, you want them to lie back to you, and you have no interest in actual reality or truth.

00:31:40.000 Well, so a person's constantly, yeah, you need to question what it is you believe and why you believe it.

00:31:47.000 And if you can't actually find the underpinnings of your belief system, then you really got to start over and take a much closer and harder look at what it is that you purport to believe and figure out how to justify it.

00:32:01.000 Because if you're making decisions based on a false worldview, you're going to come out in a really bad place at the end.

00:32:09.000 If you argue with reality, welcome to hell.

00:32:12.000 And that's where so many people are living.

00:32:14.000 And the acceptance of reality takes courage, it takes the reality of your own circumstance, the circumstance around you, and to be anchored in reality and anchored in the truth.

00:32:25.000 Part of wokeism is built on a fiction that you can determine your own reality based on your own story, your own wishes, your own will.

00:32:38.000 Wokeism is a generally catch-all term, but I think it's pretty good. 0.99

00:32:42.000 Closing thoughts here, Libby, on this topic and the need to fight back against the lies.

00:32:47.000 Yeah, I would say also that even though we're calling it wokeism now, this is not necessarily something new.

00:32:54.000 Henrik Ibsen, the famed Norwegian playwright, talked about this in his play The Wild Duck, where there was a man who did not want to face the brutal reality that his life turned into.

00:33:05.000 Ibsen called it the life lie.

00:33:08.000 And I think that so many people in America are living the life lie, refusing to look at reality and refusing to, therefore, take action in reality to better themselves, to better their lives, to better society at large.

00:33:24.000 And it's really a shame.

00:33:25.000 So I think that my closing thoughts: focus on the truth, focus on reality, work hard, think hard, and take stock of what you believe.

00:33:38.000 And don't give into violence and don't give in to the people who want to coerce you into believing something that's not true.

00:33:45.000 Libby, great work. 1.00

00:33:46.000 Thank you so much.

00:33:47.000 Appreciate it as always.

00:33:48.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:33:49.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:33:51.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:33:54.000 Thank you so much for listening and God bless.

00:34:00.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - March 18, 2023

Wargaming the Trump Indictments with Citizen Kane and Libby Emmons

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