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00:02:18.000So we've had on this week Darren Beattie and Ben Weingarten, and you've done an amazing job covering this over the last couple months.
00:02:25.000Summarize the thesis because it's very precise what you have here.
00:02:29.000How Democrats use the Capitol protest to launch a war on terror.
00:02:34.000What is the war on terror that's unfolding in front of our eyes?
00:02:37.000Well, you can see this, especially yesterday when you had Vice President Kamala Harris tick off past terror attacks and then add January 6th, 2021 to the end.
00:02:50.000Now, let's set aside how egregious, outlandish, and how demeaning it is to the people who were murdered at those various days on 9-11 and, of course, Pearl Harbor.
00:03:00.000But this gives them justification to turn the tools of terrorism, the war on terror, which has been aimed at foreign adversaries, foreign threats, to domestic threats.
00:03:12.000And those domestic threats are Donald Trump, the Republican Party, the Republican information ecosystem, and of course, the millions, tens of millions of Trump voters and supporters.
00:03:23.000So when Christopher Wray designated under oath in Congress in March, he designated the four-hour disturbance at the Capitol a domestic terror attack.
00:03:34.000That enabled the entire national security state, law enforcement, FBI, et cetera, local law enforcement to then treat the defendants, treat the event, and anyone tied to the events of that day as a domestic terror threat.
00:03:51.000And so there's been a lot made of that word terror in the last couple of days, unnecessarily.
00:03:58.000I shouldn't say that, meaning this, I think, unintentionally is what I mean.
00:04:01.000I just, it seems as if people are asking, was this a terrorist attack?
00:04:38.000Those are terror attacks, most commonly plane hijackings, bombs, the attempt for indiscriminate damage, loss of life for a political or socioeconomic or religious agenda.
00:04:54.000Julie, why is that such an important distinction?
00:04:58.000Why, for example, did Tucker Carlson focus on that, pushing back against the characterization of what happened that day as a terror attack, pipe bombs aside, because I actually think that was a terror attack or a potential, whatever that was, right?
00:05:20.000Oh, by no means was it a terror attack until we find out that it potentially was a terror attack organized and executed by our own government.
00:05:30.000And when I say that, Charlie, and especially if you had Darren Beatty on, we know what this FBI is capable of, right?
00:05:37.000We could talk a little bit for a minute about the Whitmer kidnapping plot.
00:05:41.000This case is unraveling for the government.
00:05:44.000It is exposing the FBI's central role in concocting that plot, luring men into that plot, organizing all of the optics about that, and then setting these men up to buy explosives from an undercover FBI agent.
00:06:08.000The informant, one of the key informants, is a convicted felon several times over who committed at least two crimes while he was working with the FBI to entrap these men.
00:06:20.000So it's important to sort of keep an eye on this Whitmer case because it also is tied to January 6th.
00:06:27.000Now, what we know, Charlie, and the Newsweek story that posted on Monday was very revelatory in terms of contradicting Christopher Wray and the Democrats' claim that they were caught flat-footed, they didn't have intelligence, they weren't prepared, it will never happen again.
00:06:45.000Contrary to that, we now know that they had a half a dozen elite FBI forces stationed at Quantico the weekend before January 6th.
00:06:53.000Who knows what they were doing, training probably to execute what happened on that day.
00:06:58.000But contrary to Jeffrey Rosen, the acting attorney general's testimony as well, we said he deployed those assets after the violence started.
00:07:07.000We now know that those assets were deployed the morning of, including having agents near the DNC and RNC headquarters where these alleged pipe bombs were discovered right before the first breach of the perimeter of the Capitol complex took place.
00:07:23.000So when you add all of these things together, Charlie, you know this.
00:07:49.000I want to walk through that with you because I think my response is okay, but you've done a lot of good thinking and research on this.
00:07:58.000The book is January 6th, How Democrats Use the Capitol Protest to Launch a War on Terror Against the Political Right by Julie Kelly.
00:08:07.000And Julie has been going on Tucker Show many times the last couple months.
00:08:11.000And this entire kind of January 6th saga has in the unfolding of it the last couple months has been a very interesting thing, a very interesting study in the Overton window.
00:08:22.000Because what started as kind of a radical, I don't want to say radical, but people didn't want to touch it.
00:08:29.000Like, oh, yeah, I mean, the stories are the cake's already baked.
00:08:32.000All of a sudden, now you're starting to see more and more mainstream voices start to embrace this.
00:08:37.000And it took a couple window movers like yourself, Julie Kelly, Darren Beattie, Ben Whitgarten, Tucker Carlson.
00:08:46.000And now you have senators openly asking questions about this.
00:08:49.000So you were saying, in essence, maybe January 6th was more of a intelligence operation or some sort of a domestic attempt to try and do something, whatever that might be.
00:09:05.000And I just want to say, again, I'm sympathetic to your argument: is that people will go to the FBI website.
00:09:09.000I'm there right now, FBI.gov, and they'll see hundreds, if not thousands of pictures of people that are pushing back on barricades or smashing windows.
00:09:21.000You could look at some of the charging documents and they'll say there's no way that this was, it could have been planned by the government.
00:09:27.000It looks like thousands of people that independently committed crimes or hundreds of people.
00:09:35.000How could the government possibly stage anything like this?
00:09:39.000It looks to be such an overwhelming operation for anyone to be able to do.
00:09:45.000So this is a great question, Charlie, because I think that that is a lot of Americans' general view or grasp of what happened that day.
00:09:54.000So what we have to ask is: number one, why did Nancy Pelosi and Muriel Bowser intentionally keep the Capitol grounds, the entire complex, not just the building, the grounds around it were technically shut off to the public?
00:10:12.000Did they deny offers, including by the president, to have thousands of National Guardsmen on the Capitol grounds, informing people that the grounds were closed?
00:10:28.000Why did they not block off the streets from the ellipse to the Capitol grounds?
00:10:33.000You had tens of thousands of people walking after Trump's speech.
00:10:37.000He wrapped up around 110, the what, 1.7 miles to the Capitol complex.
00:10:43.000So they were not aware that the Capitol grounds or even the building had been shut off.
00:10:48.000And as you know, Charlie, I'm sure you've talked to people who were there.
00:10:51.000They couldn't even get cell service to know what was happening.
00:10:55.000They wanted to be outside the Capitol or inside the building too, feeling that that was their right as citizens.
00:11:00.000And of course, that happens all the time when there's things like this happening, to see exactly what was going to happen with the joint session of Congress.
00:11:09.000My belief is that the reason why they did not want National Guardsmen there is because DC Metro, Capitol Police, and these FBI units, we know hundreds of elite forces now were on Capitol grounds in the building that day.
00:11:25.000I believe primarily because DC Metro and Capitol Police had their marching orders, which was, Charlie, to start attacking the crowd assembled outside the building early on, which prompted a lot of what you're saying.
00:11:40.000Confrontations, physical brawls with police officers.
00:11:48.000If you watch the videos and you see photographs and eyewitness testimony, you had dozens of DC police and Capitol police who were clad head to toe in riot gear, unrecognizable, no badges on them, really no official signage or anything that would show them as police officers.
00:12:09.000They had riot shields on, they had face masks, and some of them had gas masks, they had gloves on.
00:12:16.000You could not, they were head to toe black.
00:12:18.000They started throwing explosive devices, including flashbangs, which is a stun grenade when it hits the ground, makes a very loud explosive noise and a big flash of light.
00:12:28.000Capitol Police had rifles that they put pepper balls into, which when they're shot into the crowd, releases this puff of pepper gas.
00:12:37.000DC police, and this was confirmed by the DC chief and congressional testimony, used something called sting balls.
00:12:44.000This is a ball that when it hits the ground, releases a bunch of rubber bullets.
00:12:49.000Now, there's plenty of open source video that shows crowds of people assembled outside.
00:12:54.000They weren't trying to get into the building at this point.
00:12:57.000This was after the initial breach of some crowd boys, some informants, some people who still haven't been accounted for, like Ray Epps, breaching the perimeter at that point.
00:13:09.000These are the Trump people who actually left Trump's speech to go there.
00:13:13.000So you see the crowd turn on the police officers.
00:13:17.000This is when you see a lot of the physical confrontations with police.
00:13:21.000This is why they didn't want National Guards in there to turn to other officers and say, why are you deploying these?
00:13:29.000Why are you throwing things at the crowd?
00:13:36.000One interesting case is a man named Thomas Webster.
00:13:39.000This was his first political rally that he attended.
00:13:42.000He's a 20-year veteran of the New York Police Department.
00:13:45.000He also provided security detail for Gracie Mansion.
00:13:50.000What he got into a confrontation with police, a physical confrontation.
00:13:55.000But what he testifies to and what video shows is he watched for about 10 or 15 minutes as he saw Capitol Police and DC Metro Police attacking people outside the building.
00:14:06.000And this included shoving one woman at least twice as she was just standing there outside of the barriers.
00:14:14.000So Thomas Webster runs up to this line.
00:14:16.000He confronts one of his brothers in blue or a few of them, starts screaming at them, calling them commie MFers and screaming at them, you're attacking Americans.
00:14:28.000This is BS, this is et cetera, et cetera.
00:14:31.000Then he challenges the police officer who's doing this to take off all of the disguise that he has as riot gear.
00:14:38.000And this is when they get into a confrontation.
00:14:40.000Well, Thomas Webster was charged with attacking, assaulting police officers.
00:14:47.000He has notified the government, the Justice Department, that he will claim self-defense and defense of others against excessive unlawful police force as to justify what he did that day.
00:15:02.000Prosecutors have already come back in a separate case and asked a judge to prevent defendants from using self-defense against excessive unlawful police force that day as a reason for why they did what they did, charged with attacking police officers.
00:15:18.000Were there people who assaulted or attacked police officers who were unprompted, who shouldn't have?
00:15:29.000And some of them have been in jail for over a year awaiting, or at least a year, coming up on a year, awaiting their trials.
00:15:35.000These are people who haven't been convicted of anything.
00:15:38.000They're under pre-trial detention orders.
00:15:40.000And so this is a highly overlooked aspect of what happened on January 6th.
00:15:46.000And the people who want to condemn Nancy Pelosi as if, oh, gee, it was just an oversight that they didn't have enough security that day, it was all intentional.
00:15:56.000And now we know that there were hundreds of FBI agents.
00:15:59.000And the bigger question is, now at this point, who hasn't been charged and why, instead of the 720 plus alleged domestic terrorists who already have been charged.
00:16:10.000So if you were to speculate, which I know that you try not to do, what do you, the day before, the night of January 5th?
00:16:19.000What do you think the plans were from the intelligence apparatus?
00:16:23.000What do you think they wanted to have happen?
00:16:26.000Walk us through what the equation you think they had.
00:16:28.000They said, okay, there's going to be 50,000 people.
00:16:36.000Do you think what I'm really getting at is how much of what happened on January 6th was an act of unexpected pandemonium and what happens when you get thousands of people?
00:16:48.000And how much of it was actually metaphorically put pen to paper beforehand?
00:16:56.000I think the majority of it was orchestrated and planned ahead of time by government agencies.
00:17:02.000I think some of it was people who were there to cause trouble and certainly those who got caught up in a mob mentality.
00:17:11.000Now, but let's talk about a pivotal moment that afternoon, one that our president and everyone else overlooked yesterday, is the shooting and killing of Ashley Babbitt.
00:17:21.000That happened about 2.44 that afternoon.
00:17:24.000When that news, and you could see video, when that news made its way through the crowd, and some people actually saw Ashley Babbitt's body being carried out, not very respectfully, I will note, by police officers, that really incited the crowd as well.
00:17:41.000So that, I mean, that is majorly overlooked as a factor of inciting this mob that day or inciting the protesters that day.
00:17:49.000So you have all of these things happening at one time.
00:17:53.000And certainly, Charlie, we also know from video that you had Capitol police officers who opened up the doors on the Senate side and let at least 300 protesters come in.
00:18:20.000So why did they not handle it like a normal situation?
00:18:24.000And to your point, the night before, the pipe bomber allegedly set the pipe bombs and you had Ray X and other people encouraging people to go into the building the next day.
00:18:35.000Charlie, the people who wanted the proceeding shut down that day were Democrats because you had senators and Republicans who were going to successfully object to the certification of six states and call for this 10-day audit.
00:18:54.000It's the Democrats who wanted that shut down, not the Republicans.
00:18:58.000So when you start with that premise, a lot of this starts to make sense.
00:19:04.000And that's hard for a lot of Americans to believe, Julie, because what you're getting at is basically a political domestic false flag operation.
00:19:17.000Is it fair to use that term, false flag?
00:19:19.000That's a big term to use about our government.
00:19:25.000It's a huge term, and it's scary to think of our government that would be capable of doing this.
00:19:32.000But Charlie, as you know too, someone who's covered the Russia collusion hoax and someone who has really been a longtime supporter of the FBI and even the war on terror and all the tools, the Patriot Act, et cetera, trusting that our institutions would handle that authority responsibly and seeing that they have it.
00:19:53.000And even worse, Charlie, they've gotten away with it.
00:19:56.000When no one paid a price for using political propaganda to betray and mislead, a special court, a FISA court, used to go after foreign terrorists.
00:20:07.000And when they used a dossier compiled by a foreign operative paid by the DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign, and you had Jim Comey, Sally Gates, Andrew McCade, et cetera, sign off on this warrant that said that the evidence was legit and they needed to spy on Carter Page, et cetera.
00:20:29.000They knew that they could get away with using any domestic authority, foreign or domestic terrorism tools to go up against Donald Trump and Americans.
00:20:39.000So this would be the natural trajectory of Crossfire Hurricane, Robert Mueller, and then, of course, impeachment.
00:20:48.000They've gotten away with every single thing that they've done.
00:20:51.000So why wouldn't they put together at least the majority of the operation of what we saw on January 6th?
00:20:59.000And so there also something to be said about not every part of the security apparatus was read into this.
00:21:08.000This would be why Ray Eps probably was put on the website and then taken down.
00:21:12.000That there might, there was probably a right-hand, left-hand thing.
00:21:16.000And, you know, any prosecutor worth their salt will tell you that you'll usually find more about the original crime in the cover-up than actually in investigating the crime.
00:21:29.000What have you seen as far as attempts of covering this up?
00:21:33.000Such as not allowing the 14,000 hours of footage, deleting Rayeps from the website.
00:21:41.000Not only concealing 14,000 hours of surveillance video from the public, but also doing whatever they can to conceal that from defendants and their defense attorneys.
00:22:10.000Now, why is the government, why is the DOJ being so protected?
00:22:13.000If indeed this was the worst terror attack, comparable to 9-11, Pearl Harbor, Oklahoma City bombing, why can't we see all of the evidence?
00:22:22.000This would be surveillance video starting at noon through 8 o'clock that day, inside and outside, every angle of the Capitol buildings, adjacent buildings, and Capitol grounds.
00:22:49.000Every constitutional protection that we cherish has been completely violated and destroyed, not just by this Justice Department, but by the DC district court who is going along with every request that prosecutors have.
00:23:03.000I mean, we have political prisoners in this country.
00:23:06.000We've had over 100 defendants who have been denied bail simply for the fact of their involvement in what happened on January 6th.
00:23:13.000So we're talking about treating people like terrorists.
00:23:16.000That is exactly what is happening, including over 100 people who haven't even been convicted, and many of them don't even have a trial date yet, Charlie.
00:23:25.000So you could see the comparisons between what we wanted to use to go after terrorists after 9-11 and now to go after not just Trump, but millions of them.
00:23:36.000I mean, you would imagine it would be a 14th Amendment violation of equal protection.
00:23:52.000And I'm not going to breach any conversations I've had, but I've just heard secondhand of how awful these arguments these lawyers are making.
00:23:59.000They're basically like, just plead guilty, serve a couple years.
00:24:46.000This is an open air, 700-person therapeutic revenge campaign for people that hate themselves, hate their lives, and want to try and put on a show trial because they're mad Donald Trump got four years in the White House.
00:25:04.000They get some sort of really sick, sadistic pleasure in making some sort of 45-year-old from Western Kentucky have to squirm for his life in solitary confinement in prison.
00:26:00.000And all my red flags after following not just Russia Gate, but all the lockdown policies, how that all was orchestrated and came together.
00:26:09.000So I did not share, you know, the outrage about what was happening, the insurrection and all of that.
00:26:17.000And so I think I was just skeptical from the get-go.
00:26:20.000I also viewed it as a way to stop any claims or investigations into election fraud, which of course it successfully did.
00:26:29.000As I was saying before, it was successful because then senators came back and a few senators who were planning to help object to these electoral results in the six contested states backed off.
00:26:42.000And of course, then Joe Biden and Kamal Harris were certified the next day, about three o'clock in the morning.
00:26:47.000And so I think I just started following it from there.
00:26:50.000But then I became aware of the people who were charged and hearing what judges were saying in court denying bail to people.
00:26:59.000One, the first story I wrote about was Coi Griffin, the Cowboys for Trump guy, who was charged with trespassing.
00:27:05.000He didn't even go inside the building.
00:27:06.000He was lawfully outside, charged with trespassing, and a judge denied him bail based on the fact that he did not believe that Joe Biden was legitimately elected president, and therefore he would not follow any of the laws of the government.
00:27:21.000And so he was considered a flight risk and danger to the community.
00:27:25.000So it just kind of started from there.
00:27:28.000And I just, I opened up a PACER account, which I never had.
00:27:48.000It is not just people like Joe Biden, Merrick Garland who might be gratified at the pain that they're bringing.
00:27:55.000I'm talking about lying prosecutors and what they are saying in court.
00:27:59.000I'm talking about federal judges who are so gratified and so pleased when they are able to sentence someone charged with a Class B misdemeanor to three months in jail.
00:28:12.000I'm talking about the media who has destroyed these people's lives by tying them to the so-called insurrection.
00:28:21.000And my book talks about some of these heartbreaking stories, literally things that have brought me to tears listening to these defendants beg for mercy from these sadistic prosecutors and sadistic judges.
00:28:35.000I mean, I'm not a prior, but there are a couple of cases where literally I was in tears covering what I was hearing.
00:28:42.000And so I talk about some of those moving accounts in the book.
00:28:45.000And I think that that's really what has driven a lot of my reporting.