The Charlie Kirk Show - Was Your Pastor for Sale to Hillary?

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here live from the Bitcoin.com studio.

00:00:04.000 Is your pastor for sale?

00:00:05.000 We talk with Megan Basham about how you can identify whether or not your pastor is receiving non-Christian money to peddle really bad stuff.

00:00:13.000 Greg Stubay joins the show and we have the latest on the Epstein story as well.

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00:01:32.000 Joining us now is Representative Greg Stubay, a great American from Florida's 17th congressional district.

00:01:38.000 Representative Stubay, great to see you.

00:01:40.000 Representative Stubay, I want to get your reaction on all the Obama gate news.

00:01:44.000 It is clear that the intel agencies not only lied, but they pushed a untruth, a fabrication on the American people to derail President Trump's first term.

00:01:56.000 Your reaction, sir.

00:01:57.000 Yeah, and obviously Americans knew that this was going on, but never had this evidence.

00:02:01.000 And as Tulsi had said, irrefutable evidence.

00:02:04.000 If you read this report that has been now released, and I would imagine there's a lot more information that's going to be released, you had Obama, Clapper, Comey, Brennan all actively and intentionally using intelligence that they knew was false to create this Russia collusion narrative to go after President Trump.

00:02:24.000 This was an intentional, deliberate act to undermine President Trump and his presidency.

00:02:30.000 Completely unprecedented, this type of behavior from a president and his higher echelon of intelligence officials.

00:02:37.000 So she's referred this to the DOJ.

00:02:40.000 I know the DOJ has created some type of special group to go after and investigate this for possible crimes.

00:02:47.000 I see this as treason.

00:02:48.000 There's a lot of these individuals who lied under oath to Congress, but there's a statute of limitations for that.

00:02:54.000 So we actually are looking at what that statute of limitations is.

00:02:57.000 And I'm going to do legislation that's going to change the statute of limitations for lying to Congress moving forward.

00:03:03.000 But they're going to have to try to come up and look at a crime that they're not going to have a statute of limitation issue with to charge.

00:03:10.000 This was a conspiracy at the highest level to take down the president of the United States, and there has to be accountability for this.

00:03:17.000 So, Congressman, I'm going to express some frustration from the base here.

00:03:22.000 Why are you guys taking a recess when you guys should be having Barack Hussein Obama testify in front of the House Oversight Committee?

00:03:30.000 What is it with this recess in the middle of the summer?

00:03:32.000 A lot of the audience is really fired up about this.

00:03:35.000 Can you please explain to the audience?

00:03:37.000 Yeah, they should be.

00:03:38.000 That's a decision that Speaker Mike Johnson makes.

00:03:41.000 That is solely within his determination as to whether our calendar and when we're there, when we're not there, when we go on recess.

00:03:47.000 Typically, August is the recess time for Congress, but obviously Trump wants the Senate to stay there to get through a bunch of appointments.

00:03:55.000 We are able to get his big, beautiful bill done.

00:03:57.000 There's other work to be done, so I'm frustrated too.

00:04:00.000 I'm very frustrated that why don't we just vote on the Epstein stuff, get that done, move forward?

00:04:05.000 I mean, there are CRAs.

00:04:07.000 There are CRAs are disproving, Congress disproving rules that the Biden administration put in place that we weren't able to get to this week because of all this Epstein drama.

00:04:17.000 Why don't we just deal with that, do the thing that the American people sent us up there to do instead of leaving for, it's more than a month, it's like six weeks, five or six weeks, and during that time, nothing's getting done in Washington.

00:04:28.000 Now, thankfully, the DOJ obviously is going to move forward on all this information that Tulsi has now released, but Congress can't do any work if we're not there to do it.

00:04:37.000 Yeah, I mean, I would love to see some congressional oversight on all this RussiaGate stuff or ObamaGate.

00:04:44.000 This is precious time that I think is being wasted.

00:04:50.000 So additionally, I want to now get into the question of accountability.

00:04:55.000 You used the word treason.

00:04:57.000 What can Congress possibly do to aid this process?

00:05:02.000 Because I think the American people and our audience, especially, is growing very impatient that there's a lot of talk, but not a lot of action.

00:05:11.000 Yeah, so the things that Congress can do is bring these individuals in and depose them under oath and ask them questions based off that intelligence.

00:05:11.000 Please.

00:05:20.000 And what we can also do is bring them in.

00:05:22.000 If they're going to try to hide behind classification and say that this information is classified, we can bring them into the SCIF and do it in the SCIF.

00:05:30.000 Now, since Tulsi's released this information, the DOJ has the ability to do that.

00:05:34.000 And obviously, they have the power to be able to charge these individuals, which Congress obviously does not have.

00:05:40.000 We could do congressional referrals, but Tulsi has already done that.

00:05:43.000 But to aid in that, obviously Intel, judiciary, oversight could bring these individuals in and depose them.

00:05:50.000 It's my anticipation that the DOJ and the strike force is going to do that.

00:05:54.000 But those are certainly things that we could assist in doing, working with the administration to see if there are areas or individuals that we can bring in in an oversight capacity, put them under oath and ask them questions.

00:06:04.000 Not in a, you don't want to do a hearing and every person only have five minutes.

00:06:08.000 You want to bring them in and depose them under oath.

00:06:11.000 And those three committees that I just referenced all have subpoena power to do that.

00:06:15.000 What would you say then is some other legislative goals that you guys have for the remainder of this congressional calendar?

00:06:24.000 Because we're already getting whispers.

00:06:25.000 Oh, the midterms are coming.

00:06:26.000 We can't vote on controversial stuff.

00:06:28.000 What would you like to see legislatively be passed from now, probably to the end of the calendar year?

00:06:34.000 I've filed countless bills.

00:06:36.000 I think it's over 20.

00:06:37.000 Countless bills to enact and codify President Trump's executive orders.

00:06:43.000 I would love to get that done.

00:06:44.000 There is a large support from the base, obviously.

00:06:47.000 You know, you got the president doing these executive orders.

00:06:49.000 Why isn't Congress following through?

00:06:51.000 And I realize that on a lot of this, you're going to need 60 votes in the Senate to get it done.

00:06:55.000 But put those senators on the board on a lot of these issues.

00:06:58.000 And so their voters in the midterms will know where they stand on these issues, like men and women's sports, which we were able to get passed.

00:07:06.000 It didn't pass the Senate, but obviously we got them on the board on that.

00:07:09.000 As we walk into the appropriation season, we have to get an appropriations bill done by September, which is another frustration as to why are we leaving when only two of the 11 appropriations bills have gotten passed in the House.

00:07:21.000 We have to pass the rest of those.

00:07:22.000 There's no way in the calendar in four weeks when we get back that you're going to be able to get through nine other appropriations bills.

00:07:29.000 So the leadership is already setting us up for a CR scenario, which a lot of conservatives like myself do not support.

00:07:36.000 We want to cut spending.

00:07:37.000 We don't want to continue the same level of spending that we have had.

00:07:40.000 So we have to get through the appropriations stuff in September.

00:07:43.000 But I absolutely think that we should be focused on codifying President Trump's executive orders through Congress, at least get it passed to the House and send it to the Senate.

00:07:51.000 Congressman, my team made me aware of this bill that you have around the independent programmers tax incentive.

00:08:00.000 Personally, I'm very curious about it because it affects shows like this one on the Great Real America's Voice.

00:08:05.000 Tell us about it and what is the significance of it, especially for decentralized, dissident media?

00:08:11.000 Yeah, 85% of cable is the four major networks.

00:08:16.000 And so they push out like Newsmax got pushed out from the different networks.

00:08:21.000 These different conservative networks like yours don't have the ability to get out on these different cable networks because they're only owned by four media markets, NBC, ABC, CBS, all the fake news.

00:08:32.000 So different independent programmers are at a significant disadvantage to be able to get their shows on cable network TV because those four major cable network TVs shut them down.

00:08:43.000 So what my bill would do would give them a tax incentive to give them the ability financially to do the things they need to do to get their message out to the American people.

00:08:51.000 Now, Newsmax has done an excellent job of trying to navigate that despite the fact that a lot of these different networks haven't allowed them on their networks.

00:08:59.000 So those are the type of things that can get done if this bill gets done.

00:09:02.000 And what's fascinating is this has bipartisan support.

00:09:06.000 I'm on the Ways and Means Committee, which is in charge of taxes.

00:09:08.000 There's members on that committee that have co-sponsored this.

00:09:11.000 And so that is a real good impetus to try to get some type of bipartisan bill done.

00:09:16.000 And through the Congress, it should get 60 votes in the Senate if we have a bipartisan bill that comes out of the House.

00:09:22.000 One minute remaining, Congressman Stuby.

00:09:24.000 What can the audience do to help support this and help empower decentralized media?

00:09:32.000 Yeah, the best thing is to contact the chairman, Ways and Means, Jason Smith, and encourage him to hear this bill and get it through the process.

00:09:39.000 Encourage their specific member of Congress to co-sponsor it.

00:09:43.000 And that would help tremendously to have bipartisan, broad support across the country to support this, get it up in the committee, and get it out to the floor.

00:09:52.000 Congressman Stuby, thank you so much for your time.

00:09:54.000 I really appreciate it.

00:09:55.000 And for whatever it's worth, I don't think it's time for a vacation.

00:09:58.000 The American people are not taking months-long vacations.

00:10:01.000 So I think get back to you.

00:10:03.000 Thank you so much, sir.

00:10:03.000 Thank you.

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00:11:13.000 As promised, we told you we would cover Epstein News as it was developing.

00:11:18.000 At this very moment, Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche is meeting with Ghelane Maxwell in a conference room in a federal courthouse in Tallahassee, Florida.

00:11:27.000 The meeting is expected to go all day.

00:11:29.000 What exactly the meeting entails is unknown, but I could tell you, Todd Blanche, he is a bulldog.

00:11:35.000 He stood by President Trump in the midst of that Moscow show trial in the city of New York with Alvin Bragg, and he had President Trump's back there.

00:11:43.000 He could be asking informally what Maxwell knows and what could testify to.

00:11:47.000 He might simply be negotiating for her to provide more extensive sworn testimony at a later point.

00:11:52.000 There could be negotiations for some kind of clemency in return for testimony.

00:11:56.000 Right now, we don't know.

00:11:57.000 It's all guessing.

00:11:58.000 But him going down to Tallahassee shows that this administration cares about the Epstein case and may care about getting more information.

00:12:06.000 The Wall Street Journal reported yesterday and the New York Times reported today that back in May, Attorney General Bondi informed Trump that his name would appear in the Epstein files about Jeffrey Epstein.

00:12:16.000 That doesn't prove anything criminal, but it may explain, you know, honestly, kind of part of all the coverage around this.

00:12:23.000 Now, I'll say this, though.

00:12:24.000 We knew that Trump knew Epstein.

00:12:27.000 This is not breaking news in any way, shape, or form.

00:12:30.000 And additionally, Trump kicked Epstein out of his club for being pervy and being weird.

00:12:36.000 He literally kicked him out and didn't talk to him for 15 years.

00:12:40.000 It was this very high-profile fight where Trump kicked Jeffrey Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago for hitting on underage girls at Mar-a-Lago.

00:12:49.000 I'm sure a lot of you guys did not know about that.

00:12:51.000 And so the fact that Donald Trump might on the periphery might be mentioned in some sort of fact pattern means absolutely nothing.

00:12:59.000 It means absolutely nothing.

00:13:01.000 A federal judge, and it shouldn't be surprising to anyone, we knew that they were in the same social circles dating back for 40 years in Palm Beach.

00:13:08.000 And again, did you know?

00:13:10.000 And I want you to write this and commit it to memory.

00:13:12.000 Did you know Donald Trump kicked Jeffrey Epstein in a high-profile expulsion from Mar-a-Lago for being a creep?

00:13:19.000 It's very important.

00:13:21.000 And maybe that's what's in, you know, whatever documents.

00:13:23.000 Again, it's just hearsay and it's rumor.

00:13:26.000 And also, make no mistake, there might be other unverified stink bombs, little mines, little fake stuff in all the quote-unquote documents, in the plethora of stuff, the same way that the Wall Street Journal article came out against Trump that was obviously fake.

00:13:43.000 That was obviously fake.

00:13:45.000 So a federal judge in Florida blocked the release of Epstein grand jury testimony from that state, saying the court's hands are tied in that matter.

00:13:51.000 Judge Robin Rosenberg says that there are, quote, no exceptions to the grand jury secrecy due to an existing precedent by the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals.

00:14:00.000 Separately, two judges in New York have given the government a week for the government to give more specifics on what grand jury testimony they want unsealed and why they want and how.

00:14:09.000 And they've also ordered potential victims to give a chance to reply to the effort.

00:14:13.000 Late Wednesday, a House Oversight Subcommittee voted to subpoena the Department of Justice for Epstein documents.

00:14:19.000 Republicans, Nancy Mace, Scott Perry, and Brian Jack all voted with Democrats to support the subpoena.

00:14:24.000 Speaker Mike Johnson canceled the final day of House votes in order to block a coordinated Democrat push to force the release of Epstein documents prior to the recess.

00:14:33.000 And the Senate, though, is less interested.

00:14:34.000 Rand Paul, Ron Johnson, and Chuck Grassley, each chair committees that could go look into the Epstein case.

00:14:40.000 All three have said it's not on the agenda.

00:14:42.000 And so look, here is the big picture of it.

00:14:43.000 The Trump administration right now is taking this very seriously.

00:14:49.000 The big picture is that the press is building a narrative over the House Republican being in crisis over this.

00:14:54.000 This is in Politico Today.

00:14:56.000 Quote, the bill is coming due, House GOP braces, for Epstein crisis to intestify.

00:15:00.000 This is not a crisis by any means, but it's something that is going to continue to push forward as the administration tries to get to the bottom of this.

00:15:08.000 So I could tell you this, that taking a step back, Todd Blanche does not have to be in Tallahassee right now interviewing Ghelane Maxwell.

00:15:15.000 The DOJ does not have to be moving to try to unseal the grand jury testimony.

00:15:20.000 Unfortunately, unelected judges are getting in the way and they are blocking this.

00:15:25.000 And so we're going to keep our eyes on the story as more things develop.

00:15:29.000 Democrats are trying to use this as a way to attack Donald Trump and try to slow down the momentum of this very, very successful presidency.

00:15:38.000 Democrats would like nothing more than to try to use this as some sort of cheap political lifeline.

00:15:43.000 And so I think we need to simultaneously be committed to the truth while also not play into what the Democrats and the circus show that they're trying to do in the House of Representatives to try to undermine and debase and trying to slow down this phenomenally and historically successful presidency.

00:16:00.000 But right now, it's judges that are getting in the way of President Trump and his administration trying to get to the grand jury testimony.

00:16:06.000 The grand jury testimony is by far the best information available, the most robust information available because it was used as a prerequisite for an indictment and for criminal charges.

00:16:18.000 We don't follow the hysteria.

00:16:19.000 We follow facts here, and we're going to keep on covering this situation as more information arises.

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00:17:28.000 Okay, joining us now is Megan Basham, author of Shepherds for Sale, Daily Wire culture reporter.

00:17:34.000 Megan, great to see you.

00:17:35.000 Been praying for your health.

00:17:36.000 And so, and thank you so much for taking the time.

00:17:39.000 Your book, Shepherds for Sale, is terrific.

00:17:42.000 So, Megan, in this report that was declassified, the House Intelligence Report, on page 19, there was, quote, the Russian Federal Security Service in August had details of secret meetings with named security services.

00:17:55.000 And the Russians had the stirr on Hillary never released it, but it begs a much different question.

00:17:59.000 Are our Christian shepherds for sale?

00:18:01.000 Megan, welcome to the program.

00:18:02.000 Please walk us through it all.

00:18:04.000 Thanks for having me, Charlie.

00:18:05.000 It's always good to be here.

00:18:06.000 So, yes, that was a rather stunning little tidbit in this declassified report that we found out that the State Department under Hillary Clinton was meeting with these unnamed religious groups, and it was essentially a quid pro-quo arrangement.

00:18:20.000 If you support Hillary Clinton for president, if you throw your weight as these ministry leaders behind her, we are going to increase your financing and offer you quote unquote State Department patronage.

00:18:32.000 So at this point, we don't know who these religious organizations are.

00:18:35.000 I'm filing a FOIA to find out.

00:18:38.000 But, you know, I have some pretty strong suspicions based on all of the reporting that I've done on this subject and went into deep detail in my book, Shepherds for Sale.

00:18:46.000 And, you know, I can give you the example of the National Association of Evangelicals.

00:18:51.000 It is an extremely large and influential group.

00:18:54.000 It represents thousands, hundreds of thousands of evangelicals, millions all over the country, all over the world.

00:19:01.000 And what they did in 2016 was one of their board members, surprisingly, came out for Hillary Clinton.

00:19:08.000 And, you know, that to me kind of put my tension, my spidey senses off because I went, why would somebody from the National Association of Evangelicals suddenly start making the rounds in Politico and other major news outlets supporting Hillary Clinton?

00:19:22.000 And one of the things you can look at is that the immigration resettlement arm of the National Association of Evangelicals did indeed receive a lot of funding in the Biden administration from the federal government to resettle quote unquote refugees, asylum seekers.

00:19:40.000 So we don't know who these groups are, but we certainly know that it was surprising when a board member of the National Association of Evangelicals came out for Hillary Clinton.

00:19:50.000 And, you know, I can look at other examples of this sort of strange bedfellows happening.

00:19:56.000 There is a group called the American Values Coalition.

00:20:00.000 They are a never Trump group.

00:20:01.000 They've been extremely active.

00:20:03.000 And in 2024, they launched a faith initiative.

00:20:07.000 And its purpose, in its own terms, is to disciple.

00:20:12.000 They use that word, disciple America's pastors on politics.

00:20:16.000 They said they want to reframe evangelicals' political imagination.

00:20:21.000 Well, when you look at who sits on the board of this organization, one of them is the board chair, a man named Neil Rickner.

00:20:29.000 His company, an energy company, a wind solar kind of company, received $1.2 million from the Biden administration's Department of Defense shortly after they launched this faith initiative with their Never Trump group.

00:20:46.000 So we don't know yet, but we can look at these very strange associations and how they are coming into churches to try to not just influence church members, but to specifically influence pastors so that the pastors will influence their church members.

00:21:00.000 So I just want to brag on you, Megan.

00:21:02.000 You have done such incredible work here.

00:21:04.000 Probably the best, by far the best journalism and investigative research in how the American church is for sale and how many of our pastors and how many of our Christian nonprofits just sell their soul, literally, to secular nonprofits or to foreign donors.

00:21:21.000 And so I want to play cut 422 and I'll allow you to talk about this in a second.

00:21:29.000 So let's play cut 422 and then I'll let you explain it.

00:21:32.000 And I think it's important that we recognize that we've never had in this country, especially within the church, a moment of profound enlightenment around those issues.

00:21:40.000 And so we go all the way back to the 19th century.

00:21:42.000 The church and I have some kind of major gospel epiphany that talked about we're going to work for the interests of the restoration of the freedmen.

00:21:49.000 We never had that.

00:21:50.000 And so throughout our history, the church's voice was contra to every meaningful gain that black people were trying to pursue.

00:22:02.000 Okay, what were we listening to here, Megan, and the significance of it?

00:22:06.000 So that was an interview training session with the J29 coalition.

00:22:11.000 So that is that faith initiative of the American Values Coalition.

00:22:15.000 Now, you know, they use this sort of lingo to appeal to Christians to sound like, hey, we're just like you, we're conservative Christians too.

00:22:22.000 And, you know, when you hear American Values, you think that's me.

00:22:25.000 Well, no, this is actually a progressive group, a never Trump group.

00:22:28.000 And so that is part of its faith initiative training.

00:22:32.000 And when you look at the coaches that they're using, it's people like David French of the New York Times, who, you know, endorsed Harris over Donald Trump in the 2024 election.

00:22:42.000 It's Russell Moore, editor-in-chief of Christianity Today, who is a confirmed never Trumper.

00:22:49.000 So it's very much a group that is on the progressive side.

00:22:52.000 It is very anti-Trump.

00:22:53.000 And so this is the group whose board chair received that $1.2 million grant from the federal government during 2024 during the Biden administration.

00:23:04.000 So we see these groups coming in.

00:23:06.000 And what they said very specifically is, we want to disciple conservative pastors.

00:23:11.000 So it wasn't like they just wanted to get to any pastors.

00:23:14.000 They've been very specific that they want to target conservative pastors.

00:23:17.000 But what you just heard there is the kind of theology that they're espousing.

00:23:21.000 It's something known as liberation theology.

00:23:24.000 And in fact, it is really just Marxism repackaged with kind of churchy language.

00:23:29.000 And so they will argue things like you just heard there, which is that we need to achieve equity by paying out reparations through affirmative action.

00:23:37.000 So they come in under the guise of being conservative Christians, but that's the kind of thing they're teaching.

00:23:42.000 It's the kind of thing that very few sound, doctrinally sound conservative pastors would ever bring into their church.

00:23:50.000 And yet they're finding ways to do this.

00:23:52.000 They're coming in with funding from the left and saying, hey, let us have access to your pastors, to your church members.

00:23:59.000 And, you know, I do want to clarify here that the Clintons have a long history of doing this.

00:24:05.000 This is actually not new, what we just learned at State Department.

00:24:08.000 Their Clinton Foundation has funneled money into evangelical front groups for decades in order to get Christians to take up something like, say, anti-human climate change policy.

00:24:20.000 So the Clinton Foundation funneled a lot of money into an evangelical front group called the Evangelical Environmental Network.

00:24:27.000 So this is not new for them.

00:24:28.000 And I wasn't surprised to see that the State Department had made this gambit to try to say, hey, we will do a quid pro call with you.

00:24:36.000 You support Hillary Clinton for president and we will start financing your ministries.

00:24:41.000 And so, Megan, I want to take a step back here.

00:24:43.000 How big of a problem is this amongst the Christian leaders?

00:24:46.000 And remind the audience what you learned during COVID of how many of these major evangelical thought leaders and major spokespeople were for sale that put themselves up for auction to the highest bidder.

00:25:00.000 Yeah, Charlie, it's been a massive problem.

00:25:02.000 And I think it's gone unnoticed for so many years.

00:25:05.000 So that when something like this little tidbit in the House Intelligence Report about these religious groups comes out, people are shocked and rightly so.

00:25:13.000 But what they need to know is it's very much not something new.

00:25:16.000 What we saw during COVID was Francis Collins, who was then head of the National Institutes of Health, using his associations with all of these high-profile evangelical leaders to try to convince Christians that you needed to do things like submit to government authority and closing your churches, that you needed to submit to getting that vaccine.

00:25:39.000 And in fact, you heard a lot of those voices even arguing against religious exemptions.

00:25:43.000 They were counseling that it is not biblical to seek religious exemptions for these vaccines.

00:25:48.000 Obviously, a lot of Christians strongly disagreed with that.

00:25:51.000 But, you know, that was kind of what I was trying to sound the alarm on in my book.

00:25:55.000 And this just confirmed it, is that this is going on all over the place.

00:25:59.000 And, you know, A big part of it is that you will have these left-wing groups.

00:26:03.000 So, you will have something like the Tithes Foundation, which is a massive funder of left-wing priorities like abortion, like the LGBTQ agenda.

00:26:13.000 Same thing with the Rockefeller Foundation.

00:26:16.000 And they funnel money into all of these sort of evangelical front groups so that you don't see their involvement.

00:26:22.000 And it's the same thing with the federal government, because we need to keep in mind that these really large foundations are also typically getting federal grants.

00:26:30.000 So it's a way for all of that money to come in and trickle down to these evangelical leaders.

00:26:34.000 And some of the most high profile have been Christianity Today has been involved with these groups.

00:26:41.000 They take money from secular foundations like the Lilly Endowment, which is the foundational arm of the Eli Lilly Pharmacy Company.

00:26:51.000 So, you know, we're talking about big pharma here.

00:26:54.000 And all of this has been going on for a really long time.

00:26:57.000 And I think that so many Christians in the pews did not realize how these ministries were trying to speak for them, but representing values that they don't agree with.

00:27:08.000 And so, you know, when my book came out, I think so many people were surprised to hear it.

00:27:13.000 And yet it's been an open secret for years.

00:27:15.000 And now we see it confirmed in the State Department report.

00:27:19.000 It is so, it is so sad that these people have a position of authority and they are using the name of God to erroneously represent theology to then make money or get their organizations to get money.

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00:27:43.000 We certainly are.

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00:28:32.000 Megan Basham is with us, Shepherds for Sale.

00:28:35.000 Megan, I want to play this piece of tape here.

00:28:37.000 This is the new mayor.

00:28:40.000 You see kind of a theme here, everybody?

00:28:41.000 There's these Somali Islamic mayors that are popping up all across the country.

00:28:47.000 There's the one obviously in Minnesota with Omar Fatah.

00:28:50.000 This one is, I don't want to get her name wrong, but she is not from Minnesota.

00:28:55.000 She's from Maine.

00:28:56.000 You know, when I think of Maine, I think of Somalian Muslims.

00:29:01.000 So I'm going to play this and I'm going to ask the question of how much of this mass migration refugee resettlement program is because of Christian groups.

00:29:09.000 Okay, her name is Deka Dalalik.

00:29:13.000 Okay, I'll work on that pronunciation.

00:29:15.000 Play cut 434.

00:29:16.000 Policies, how can the politics in Somalia can be, you know, resonate what we have here in the United States, the democracy that we have?

00:29:24.000 How can you help us be a better country and build back what we used to have back in a long time ago?

00:29:32.000 So hopefully we will be able to help our country, our former country, Somalia.

00:29:39.000 So she's talking about helping her former country.

00:29:41.000 Her name is Dika Dalalik.

00:29:43.000 Anyway, Megan, this is troubling a lot of people as we're starting to see foreign Islamic influences seep into mayor races and positions of power.

00:29:53.000 Talk about how Christian groups and nonprofits have been heavily involved in the refugee resettlement issue, please.

00:29:59.000 You've done great research on this.

00:30:01.000 Yeah, and that's a really important point.

00:30:03.000 You know, one of the people who sort of spearheaded this, we must bring in Muslims or we're not really Americans, was Russell Moore, who was then head of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, which is the policy lobbying arm of the largest Protestant denomination in the U.S., the Southern Baptist Convention.

00:30:20.000 So it represents some 43 million people across the United States.

00:30:24.000 Not a small organization.

00:30:26.000 And now, of course, he is the editor-in-chief at Christianity Today.

00:30:29.000 And he was really one of those loud voices during the first Trump administration saying that we must bring in Muslims in order to show that we're faithful Christians, which was a little confusing when the Trump administration said we are going to just put a pause on immigration.

00:30:44.000 Russell Moore said that.

00:30:45.000 He would never say that, Megan.

00:30:47.000 Russell Moore would never advocate for mass Muslim immigration.

00:30:51.000 Keep going.

00:30:52.000 Well, and even when it was very reasonable to the American people, so the Trump administration said, we're going to put a pause on allowing immigration from seven nations, seven Muslim majority nations where we know that they are hotbeds of terrorism.

00:31:07.000 Well, you know, Russell Moore, in association with the National Association of Evangelicals, again, very large group with Tim Keller and some others, said that this was un-Christian and un-American to even put that pause on.

00:31:21.000 And Russell Moore further argued for the building of mosques in the United States.

00:31:26.000 And, you know, what really happened with the Southern Baptist Convention is people got upset.

00:31:30.000 They said, look, we're Christian.

00:31:31.000 We're Baptists.

00:31:32.000 We don't want our policy arm arguing for the building of mosquitoes.

00:31:35.000 We build churches.

00:31:36.000 I mean, like, what?

00:31:37.000 Sorry, keep going.

00:31:38.000 It's just, it's such tips.

00:31:39.000 In the United States, obviously.

00:31:41.000 And I want to really drill down on this, Charlie, because you've done such great work with college students on college campuses.

00:31:48.000 And what people need to know is now Russell Moore, along with his partners, a man named Curtis Chang, who is a Democrat professor at Duke Divinity, and David French at the New York Times, they have created a program called the After Party, and it's specifically targeting Christian college campuses.

00:32:06.000 And it is targeting the members of the Council for Christian Colleges and Universities, 185 member schools, including schools that most parents would look at and say, oh, that's a conservative Christian school that I can send my son or daughter to, schools like Wheaton, like Biola, like Baylor.

00:32:24.000 Well, they brought in this program and it's entirely left-wing funded.

00:32:27.000 It's funded by, again, the Rockefellers, the Hewletts, who take money from the federal government.

00:32:32.000 And so all of this money is fungible and it starts to move into all of these other organizations.

00:32:38.000 And then they're targeting conservative Christians to try to say, if you want to be a faithful Christian, you need to be open to these Democrat policies.

00:32:47.000 You need to be open to considering voting for these Democrat politicians who, even though they're pro-abortion, well, but they're also pro-immigration.

00:32:56.000 And so we think both of these issues are pro-life.

00:32:59.000 And so that's how they kind of try to sell it to, I would say, impressionable college students who, you know, may have not thought through these issues.

00:33:06.000 And so they hear that and they say, gosh, I don't want to be on one side.

00:33:10.000 So I have to be open to the party of abortion and to transing kids.

00:33:14.000 And so that's really what these programs do.

00:33:16.000 And they're very insidious.

00:33:18.000 And, you know, they're subtle.

00:33:19.000 So insidious.

00:33:21.000 Yes.

00:33:21.000 And they're coming on not just churches, but like I said, Christian college campuses.

00:33:25.000 So they're really coming at Bible-believing Christians every which way they can.

00:33:31.000 And in return, their refugee resettlement arms, as we saw with the USAID revelations, are receiving tens of millions of dollars to resettle refugees and asylum seekers.

00:33:42.000 Megan Basham, you're a hero.

00:33:44.000 Check out the book, Shepherds for Sale, and we're praying for your health.

00:33:47.000 Thank you.

00:33:47.000 God bless you, Megan.

00:33:48.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:33:49.000 Everybody, email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:33:52.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - July 25, 2025

Was Your Pastor for Sale to Hillary?

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