Tulsi Gabbard and Greg Stubay join the show to discuss the latest in the Epstein scandal and the latest on the Uranium One scandal. Rep. Stubay joins the show from Florida's 17th congressional district where he is a member of the House Oversight Committee.
00:00:05.000We talk with Megan Basham about how you can identify whether or not your pastor is receiving non-Christian money to peddle really bad stuff.
00:00:13.000Greg Stubay joins the show and we have the latest on the Epstein story as well.
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00:01:32.000Joining us now is Representative Greg Stubay, a great American from Florida's 17th congressional district.
00:01:38.000Representative Stubay, great to see you.
00:01:40.000Representative Stubay, I want to get your reaction on all the Obama gate news.
00:01:44.000It is clear that the intel agencies not only lied, but they pushed a untruth, a fabrication on the American people to derail President Trump's first term.
00:01:57.000Yeah, and obviously Americans knew that this was going on, but never had this evidence.
00:02:01.000And as Tulsi had said, irrefutable evidence.
00:02:04.000If you read this report that has been now released, and I would imagine there's a lot more information that's going to be released, you had Obama, Clapper, Comey, Brennan all actively and intentionally using intelligence that they knew was false to create this Russia collusion narrative to go after President Trump.
00:02:24.000This was an intentional, deliberate act to undermine President Trump and his presidency.
00:02:30.000Completely unprecedented, this type of behavior from a president and his higher echelon of intelligence officials.
00:02:48.000There's a lot of these individuals who lied under oath to Congress, but there's a statute of limitations for that.
00:02:54.000So we actually are looking at what that statute of limitations is.
00:02:57.000And I'm going to do legislation that's going to change the statute of limitations for lying to Congress moving forward.
00:03:03.000But they're going to have to try to come up and look at a crime that they're not going to have a statute of limitation issue with to charge.
00:03:10.000This was a conspiracy at the highest level to take down the president of the United States, and there has to be accountability for this.
00:03:17.000So, Congressman, I'm going to express some frustration from the base here.
00:03:22.000Why are you guys taking a recess when you guys should be having Barack Hussein Obama testify in front of the House Oversight Committee?
00:03:30.000What is it with this recess in the middle of the summer?
00:03:32.000A lot of the audience is really fired up about this.
00:03:35.000Can you please explain to the audience?
00:03:38.000That's a decision that Speaker Mike Johnson makes.
00:03:41.000That is solely within his determination as to whether our calendar and when we're there, when we're not there, when we go on recess.
00:03:47.000Typically, August is the recess time for Congress, but obviously Trump wants the Senate to stay there to get through a bunch of appointments.
00:03:55.000We are able to get his big, beautiful bill done.
00:03:57.000There's other work to be done, so I'm frustrated too.
00:04:00.000I'm very frustrated that why don't we just vote on the Epstein stuff, get that done, move forward?
00:04:07.000There are CRAs are disproving, Congress disproving rules that the Biden administration put in place that we weren't able to get to this week because of all this Epstein drama.
00:04:17.000Why don't we just deal with that, do the thing that the American people sent us up there to do instead of leaving for, it's more than a month, it's like six weeks, five or six weeks, and during that time, nothing's getting done in Washington.
00:04:28.000Now, thankfully, the DOJ obviously is going to move forward on all this information that Tulsi has now released, but Congress can't do any work if we're not there to do it.
00:04:37.000Yeah, I mean, I would love to see some congressional oversight on all this RussiaGate stuff or ObamaGate.
00:04:44.000This is precious time that I think is being wasted.
00:04:50.000So additionally, I want to now get into the question of accountability.
00:04:57.000What can Congress possibly do to aid this process?
00:05:02.000Because I think the American people and our audience, especially, is growing very impatient that there's a lot of talk, but not a lot of action.
00:05:11.000Yeah, so the things that Congress can do is bring these individuals in and depose them under oath and ask them questions based off that intelligence.
00:05:20.000And what we can also do is bring them in.
00:05:22.000If they're going to try to hide behind classification and say that this information is classified, we can bring them into the SCIF and do it in the SCIF.
00:05:30.000Now, since Tulsi's released this information, the DOJ has the ability to do that.
00:05:34.000And obviously, they have the power to be able to charge these individuals, which Congress obviously does not have.
00:05:40.000We could do congressional referrals, but Tulsi has already done that.
00:05:43.000But to aid in that, obviously Intel, judiciary, oversight could bring these individuals in and depose them.
00:05:50.000It's my anticipation that the DOJ and the strike force is going to do that.
00:05:54.000But those are certainly things that we could assist in doing, working with the administration to see if there are areas or individuals that we can bring in in an oversight capacity, put them under oath and ask them questions.
00:06:04.000Not in a, you don't want to do a hearing and every person only have five minutes.
00:06:08.000You want to bring them in and depose them under oath.
00:06:11.000And those three committees that I just referenced all have subpoena power to do that.
00:06:15.000What would you say then is some other legislative goals that you guys have for the remainder of this congressional calendar?
00:06:51.000And I realize that on a lot of this, you're going to need 60 votes in the Senate to get it done.
00:06:55.000But put those senators on the board on a lot of these issues.
00:06:58.000And so their voters in the midterms will know where they stand on these issues, like men and women's sports, which we were able to get passed.
00:07:06.000It didn't pass the Senate, but obviously we got them on the board on that.
00:07:09.000As we walk into the appropriation season, we have to get an appropriations bill done by September, which is another frustration as to why are we leaving when only two of the 11 appropriations bills have gotten passed in the House.
00:07:37.000We don't want to continue the same level of spending that we have had.
00:07:40.000So we have to get through the appropriations stuff in September.
00:07:43.000But I absolutely think that we should be focused on codifying President Trump's executive orders through Congress, at least get it passed to the House and send it to the Senate.
00:07:51.000Congressman, my team made me aware of this bill that you have around the independent programmers tax incentive.
00:08:00.000Personally, I'm very curious about it because it affects shows like this one on the Great Real America's Voice.
00:08:05.000Tell us about it and what is the significance of it, especially for decentralized, dissident media?
00:08:11.000Yeah, 85% of cable is the four major networks.
00:08:16.000And so they push out like Newsmax got pushed out from the different networks.
00:08:21.000These different conservative networks like yours don't have the ability to get out on these different cable networks because they're only owned by four media markets, NBC, ABC, CBS, all the fake news.
00:08:32.000So different independent programmers are at a significant disadvantage to be able to get their shows on cable network TV because those four major cable network TVs shut them down.
00:08:43.000So what my bill would do would give them a tax incentive to give them the ability financially to do the things they need to do to get their message out to the American people.
00:08:51.000Now, Newsmax has done an excellent job of trying to navigate that despite the fact that a lot of these different networks haven't allowed them on their networks.
00:08:59.000So those are the type of things that can get done if this bill gets done.
00:09:02.000And what's fascinating is this has bipartisan support.
00:09:06.000I'm on the Ways and Means Committee, which is in charge of taxes.
00:09:08.000There's members on that committee that have co-sponsored this.
00:09:11.000And so that is a real good impetus to try to get some type of bipartisan bill done.
00:09:16.000And through the Congress, it should get 60 votes in the Senate if we have a bipartisan bill that comes out of the House.
00:09:24.000What can the audience do to help support this and help empower decentralized media?
00:09:32.000Yeah, the best thing is to contact the chairman, Ways and Means, Jason Smith, and encourage him to hear this bill and get it through the process.
00:09:39.000Encourage their specific member of Congress to co-sponsor it.
00:09:43.000And that would help tremendously to have bipartisan, broad support across the country to support this, get it up in the committee, and get it out to the floor.
00:09:52.000Congressman Stuby, thank you so much for your time.
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00:11:13.000As promised, we told you we would cover Epstein News as it was developing.
00:11:18.000At this very moment, Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche is meeting with Ghelane Maxwell in a conference room in a federal courthouse in Tallahassee, Florida.
00:11:27.000The meeting is expected to go all day.
00:11:29.000What exactly the meeting entails is unknown, but I could tell you, Todd Blanche, he is a bulldog.
00:11:35.000He stood by President Trump in the midst of that Moscow show trial in the city of New York with Alvin Bragg, and he had President Trump's back there.
00:11:43.000He could be asking informally what Maxwell knows and what could testify to.
00:11:47.000He might simply be negotiating for her to provide more extensive sworn testimony at a later point.
00:11:52.000There could be negotiations for some kind of clemency in return for testimony.
00:11:58.000But him going down to Tallahassee shows that this administration cares about the Epstein case and may care about getting more information.
00:12:06.000The Wall Street Journal reported yesterday and the New York Times reported today that back in May, Attorney General Bondi informed Trump that his name would appear in the Epstein files about Jeffrey Epstein.
00:12:16.000That doesn't prove anything criminal, but it may explain, you know, honestly, kind of part of all the coverage around this.
00:13:01.000A federal judge, and it shouldn't be surprising to anyone, we knew that they were in the same social circles dating back for 40 years in Palm Beach.
00:13:21.000And maybe that's what's in, you know, whatever documents.
00:13:23.000Again, it's just hearsay and it's rumor.
00:13:26.000And also, make no mistake, there might be other unverified stink bombs, little mines, little fake stuff in all the quote-unquote documents, in the plethora of stuff, the same way that the Wall Street Journal article came out against Trump that was obviously fake.
00:13:45.000So a federal judge in Florida blocked the release of Epstein grand jury testimony from that state, saying the court's hands are tied in that matter.
00:13:51.000Judge Robin Rosenberg says that there are, quote, no exceptions to the grand jury secrecy due to an existing precedent by the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals.
00:14:00.000Separately, two judges in New York have given the government a week for the government to give more specifics on what grand jury testimony they want unsealed and why they want and how.
00:14:09.000And they've also ordered potential victims to give a chance to reply to the effort.
00:14:13.000Late Wednesday, a House Oversight Subcommittee voted to subpoena the Department of Justice for Epstein documents.
00:14:19.000Republicans, Nancy Mace, Scott Perry, and Brian Jack all voted with Democrats to support the subpoena.
00:14:24.000Speaker Mike Johnson canceled the final day of House votes in order to block a coordinated Democrat push to force the release of Epstein documents prior to the recess.
00:14:33.000And the Senate, though, is less interested.
00:14:34.000Rand Paul, Ron Johnson, and Chuck Grassley, each chair committees that could go look into the Epstein case.
00:14:40.000All three have said it's not on the agenda.
00:14:42.000And so look, here is the big picture of it.
00:14:43.000The Trump administration right now is taking this very seriously.
00:14:49.000The big picture is that the press is building a narrative over the House Republican being in crisis over this.
00:14:56.000Quote, the bill is coming due, House GOP braces, for Epstein crisis to intestify.
00:15:00.000This is not a crisis by any means, but it's something that is going to continue to push forward as the administration tries to get to the bottom of this.
00:15:08.000So I could tell you this, that taking a step back, Todd Blanche does not have to be in Tallahassee right now interviewing Ghelane Maxwell.
00:15:15.000The DOJ does not have to be moving to try to unseal the grand jury testimony.
00:15:20.000Unfortunately, unelected judges are getting in the way and they are blocking this.
00:15:25.000And so we're going to keep our eyes on the story as more things develop.
00:15:29.000Democrats are trying to use this as a way to attack Donald Trump and try to slow down the momentum of this very, very successful presidency.
00:15:38.000Democrats would like nothing more than to try to use this as some sort of cheap political lifeline.
00:15:43.000And so I think we need to simultaneously be committed to the truth while also not play into what the Democrats and the circus show that they're trying to do in the House of Representatives to try to undermine and debase and trying to slow down this phenomenally and historically successful presidency.
00:16:00.000But right now, it's judges that are getting in the way of President Trump and his administration trying to get to the grand jury testimony.
00:16:06.000The grand jury testimony is by far the best information available, the most robust information available because it was used as a prerequisite for an indictment and for criminal charges.
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00:17:36.000And so, and thank you so much for taking the time.
00:17:39.000Your book, Shepherds for Sale, is terrific.
00:17:42.000So, Megan, in this report that was declassified, the House Intelligence Report, on page 19, there was, quote, the Russian Federal Security Service in August had details of secret meetings with named security services.
00:17:55.000And the Russians had the stirr on Hillary never released it, but it begs a much different question.
00:18:06.000So, yes, that was a rather stunning little tidbit in this declassified report that we found out that the State Department under Hillary Clinton was meeting with these unnamed religious groups, and it was essentially a quid pro-quo arrangement.
00:18:20.000If you support Hillary Clinton for president, if you throw your weight as these ministry leaders behind her, we are going to increase your financing and offer you quote unquote State Department patronage.
00:18:32.000So at this point, we don't know who these religious organizations are.
00:18:38.000But, you know, I have some pretty strong suspicions based on all of the reporting that I've done on this subject and went into deep detail in my book, Shepherds for Sale.
00:18:46.000And, you know, I can give you the example of the National Association of Evangelicals.
00:18:51.000It is an extremely large and influential group.
00:18:54.000It represents thousands, hundreds of thousands of evangelicals, millions all over the country, all over the world.
00:19:01.000And what they did in 2016 was one of their board members, surprisingly, came out for Hillary Clinton.
00:19:08.000And, you know, that to me kind of put my tension, my spidey senses off because I went, why would somebody from the National Association of Evangelicals suddenly start making the rounds in Politico and other major news outlets supporting Hillary Clinton?
00:19:22.000And one of the things you can look at is that the immigration resettlement arm of the National Association of Evangelicals did indeed receive a lot of funding in the Biden administration from the federal government to resettle quote unquote refugees, asylum seekers.
00:19:40.000So we don't know who these groups are, but we certainly know that it was surprising when a board member of the National Association of Evangelicals came out for Hillary Clinton.
00:19:50.000And, you know, I can look at other examples of this sort of strange bedfellows happening.
00:19:56.000There is a group called the American Values Coalition.
00:20:03.000And in 2024, they launched a faith initiative.
00:20:07.000And its purpose, in its own terms, is to disciple.
00:20:12.000They use that word, disciple America's pastors on politics.
00:20:16.000They said they want to reframe evangelicals' political imagination.
00:20:21.000Well, when you look at who sits on the board of this organization, one of them is the board chair, a man named Neil Rickner.
00:20:29.000His company, an energy company, a wind solar kind of company, received $1.2 million from the Biden administration's Department of Defense shortly after they launched this faith initiative with their Never Trump group.
00:20:46.000So we don't know yet, but we can look at these very strange associations and how they are coming into churches to try to not just influence church members, but to specifically influence pastors so that the pastors will influence their church members.
00:21:02.000You have done such incredible work here.
00:21:04.000Probably the best, by far the best journalism and investigative research in how the American church is for sale and how many of our pastors and how many of our Christian nonprofits just sell their soul, literally, to secular nonprofits or to foreign donors.
00:21:21.000And so I want to play cut 422 and I'll allow you to talk about this in a second.
00:21:29.000So let's play cut 422 and then I'll let you explain it.
00:21:32.000And I think it's important that we recognize that we've never had in this country, especially within the church, a moment of profound enlightenment around those issues.
00:21:40.000And so we go all the way back to the 19th century.
00:21:42.000The church and I have some kind of major gospel epiphany that talked about we're going to work for the interests of the restoration of the freedmen.
00:21:50.000And so throughout our history, the church's voice was contra to every meaningful gain that black people were trying to pursue.
00:22:02.000Okay, what were we listening to here, Megan, and the significance of it?
00:22:06.000So that was an interview training session with the J29 coalition.
00:22:11.000So that is that faith initiative of the American Values Coalition.
00:22:15.000Now, you know, they use this sort of lingo to appeal to Christians to sound like, hey, we're just like you, we're conservative Christians too.
00:22:22.000And, you know, when you hear American Values, you think that's me.
00:22:25.000Well, no, this is actually a progressive group, a never Trump group.
00:22:28.000And so that is part of its faith initiative training.
00:22:32.000And when you look at the coaches that they're using, it's people like David French of the New York Times, who, you know, endorsed Harris over Donald Trump in the 2024 election.
00:22:42.000It's Russell Moore, editor-in-chief of Christianity Today, who is a confirmed never Trumper.
00:22:49.000So it's very much a group that is on the progressive side.
00:22:53.000And so this is the group whose board chair received that $1.2 million grant from the federal government during 2024 during the Biden administration.
00:23:06.000And what they said very specifically is, we want to disciple conservative pastors.
00:23:11.000So it wasn't like they just wanted to get to any pastors.
00:23:14.000They've been very specific that they want to target conservative pastors.
00:23:17.000But what you just heard there is the kind of theology that they're espousing.
00:23:21.000It's something known as liberation theology.
00:23:24.000And in fact, it is really just Marxism repackaged with kind of churchy language.
00:23:29.000And so they will argue things like you just heard there, which is that we need to achieve equity by paying out reparations through affirmative action.
00:23:37.000So they come in under the guise of being conservative Christians, but that's the kind of thing they're teaching.
00:23:42.000It's the kind of thing that very few sound, doctrinally sound conservative pastors would ever bring into their church.
00:23:50.000And yet they're finding ways to do this.
00:23:52.000They're coming in with funding from the left and saying, hey, let us have access to your pastors, to your church members.
00:23:59.000And, you know, I do want to clarify here that the Clintons have a long history of doing this.
00:24:05.000This is actually not new, what we just learned at State Department.
00:24:08.000Their Clinton Foundation has funneled money into evangelical front groups for decades in order to get Christians to take up something like, say, anti-human climate change policy.
00:24:20.000So the Clinton Foundation funneled a lot of money into an evangelical front group called the Evangelical Environmental Network.
00:24:28.000And I wasn't surprised to see that the State Department had made this gambit to try to say, hey, we will do a quid pro call with you.
00:24:36.000You support Hillary Clinton for president and we will start financing your ministries.
00:24:41.000And so, Megan, I want to take a step back here.
00:24:43.000How big of a problem is this amongst the Christian leaders?
00:24:46.000And remind the audience what you learned during COVID of how many of these major evangelical thought leaders and major spokespeople were for sale that put themselves up for auction to the highest bidder.
00:25:00.000Yeah, Charlie, it's been a massive problem.
00:25:02.000And I think it's gone unnoticed for so many years.
00:25:05.000So that when something like this little tidbit in the House Intelligence Report about these religious groups comes out, people are shocked and rightly so.
00:25:13.000But what they need to know is it's very much not something new.
00:25:16.000What we saw during COVID was Francis Collins, who was then head of the National Institutes of Health, using his associations with all of these high-profile evangelical leaders to try to convince Christians that you needed to do things like submit to government authority and closing your churches, that you needed to submit to getting that vaccine.
00:25:39.000And in fact, you heard a lot of those voices even arguing against religious exemptions.
00:25:43.000They were counseling that it is not biblical to seek religious exemptions for these vaccines.
00:25:48.000Obviously, a lot of Christians strongly disagreed with that.
00:25:51.000But, you know, that was kind of what I was trying to sound the alarm on in my book.
00:25:55.000And this just confirmed it, is that this is going on all over the place.
00:25:59.000And, you know, A big part of it is that you will have these left-wing groups.
00:26:03.000So, you will have something like the Tithes Foundation, which is a massive funder of left-wing priorities like abortion, like the LGBTQ agenda.
00:26:13.000Same thing with the Rockefeller Foundation.
00:26:16.000And they funnel money into all of these sort of evangelical front groups so that you don't see their involvement.
00:26:22.000And it's the same thing with the federal government, because we need to keep in mind that these really large foundations are also typically getting federal grants.
00:26:30.000So it's a way for all of that money to come in and trickle down to these evangelical leaders.
00:26:34.000And some of the most high profile have been Christianity Today has been involved with these groups.
00:26:41.000They take money from secular foundations like the Lilly Endowment, which is the foundational arm of the Eli Lilly Pharmacy Company.
00:26:51.000So, you know, we're talking about big pharma here.
00:26:54.000And all of this has been going on for a really long time.
00:26:57.000And I think that so many Christians in the pews did not realize how these ministries were trying to speak for them, but representing values that they don't agree with.
00:27:08.000And so, you know, when my book came out, I think so many people were surprised to hear it.
00:27:13.000And yet it's been an open secret for years.
00:27:15.000And now we see it confirmed in the State Department report.
00:27:19.000It is so, it is so sad that these people have a position of authority and they are using the name of God to erroneously represent theology to then make money or get their organizations to get money.
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00:28:56.000You know, when I think of Maine, I think of Somalian Muslims.
00:29:01.000So I'm going to play this and I'm going to ask the question of how much of this mass migration refugee resettlement program is because of Christian groups.
00:29:43.000Anyway, Megan, this is troubling a lot of people as we're starting to see foreign Islamic influences seep into mayor races and positions of power.
00:29:53.000Talk about how Christian groups and nonprofits have been heavily involved in the refugee resettlement issue, please.
00:30:01.000Yeah, and that's a really important point.
00:30:03.000You know, one of the people who sort of spearheaded this, we must bring in Muslims or we're not really Americans, was Russell Moore, who was then head of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, which is the policy lobbying arm of the largest Protestant denomination in the U.S., the Southern Baptist Convention.
00:30:20.000So it represents some 43 million people across the United States.
00:30:26.000And now, of course, he is the editor-in-chief at Christianity Today.
00:30:29.000And he was really one of those loud voices during the first Trump administration saying that we must bring in Muslims in order to show that we're faithful Christians, which was a little confusing when the Trump administration said we are going to just put a pause on immigration.
00:30:52.000Well, and even when it was very reasonable to the American people, so the Trump administration said, we're going to put a pause on allowing immigration from seven nations, seven Muslim majority nations where we know that they are hotbeds of terrorism.
00:31:07.000Well, you know, Russell Moore, in association with the National Association of Evangelicals, again, very large group with Tim Keller and some others, said that this was un-Christian and un-American to even put that pause on.
00:31:21.000And Russell Moore further argued for the building of mosques in the United States.
00:31:26.000And, you know, what really happened with the Southern Baptist Convention is people got upset.
00:31:41.000And I want to really drill down on this, Charlie, because you've done such great work with college students on college campuses.
00:31:48.000And what people need to know is now Russell Moore, along with his partners, a man named Curtis Chang, who is a Democrat professor at Duke Divinity, and David French at the New York Times, they have created a program called the After Party, and it's specifically targeting Christian college campuses.
00:32:06.000And it is targeting the members of the Council for Christian Colleges and Universities, 185 member schools, including schools that most parents would look at and say, oh, that's a conservative Christian school that I can send my son or daughter to, schools like Wheaton, like Biola, like Baylor.
00:32:24.000Well, they brought in this program and it's entirely left-wing funded.
00:32:27.000It's funded by, again, the Rockefellers, the Hewletts, who take money from the federal government.
00:32:32.000And so all of this money is fungible and it starts to move into all of these other organizations.
00:32:38.000And then they're targeting conservative Christians to try to say, if you want to be a faithful Christian, you need to be open to these Democrat policies.
00:32:47.000You need to be open to considering voting for these Democrat politicians who, even though they're pro-abortion, well, but they're also pro-immigration.
00:32:56.000And so we think both of these issues are pro-life.
00:32:59.000And so that's how they kind of try to sell it to, I would say, impressionable college students who, you know, may have not thought through these issues.
00:33:06.000And so they hear that and they say, gosh, I don't want to be on one side.
00:33:10.000So I have to be open to the party of abortion and to transing kids.
00:33:14.000And so that's really what these programs do.
00:33:21.000And they're coming on not just churches, but like I said, Christian college campuses.
00:33:25.000So they're really coming at Bible-believing Christians every which way they can.
00:33:31.000And in return, their refugee resettlement arms, as we saw with the USAID revelations, are receiving tens of millions of dollars to resettle refugees and asylum seekers.