The remarkable accomplishment of what s happened on our southern border, and how James Langford from Oklahoma almost gave away the entire presidency. Senator Mark Wayne Mullen in an in depth conversation about what s happening with the bills in Congress. If you have any interest whatsoever about what's happening in Congress, this is a very important episode for you.
00:00:17.000Senator Mark Wayne Mullen, in an in-depth conversation about what's happening with the bills in Congress, if you have any interest at all whatsoever about what's happening in Congress, This is going to be a very important episode for you.
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00:02:43.000I don't think we have spent enough time on this program pausing, internalizing, and celebrating the magnitude and the weight of what President Trump has accomplished when it comes to the southern border.
00:04:58.000So there's two parts of what I want to talk about here.
00:05:01.000And also, by the way, there is breaking news.
00:05:03.000President Trump just posted that he had great discussions with Vladimir Putin.
00:05:07.000I'm going to allow Blake to pivot and read and analyze that while I break this down.
00:05:11.000So Blake, please focus on the Putin news while I continue on this.
00:05:15.000Because I need to emphasize the border win.
00:05:18.000There's so much happening, but we have to take a little bit of time and slow down and say, wow, what President Trump has accomplished here is remarkable.
00:05:29.000This is always a question of whether or not we wanted it.
00:05:32.000Understand that the biggest questions of our time, whether it be homelessness, whether it be the southern border, inflation, is whether or not we want what is best.
00:05:43.000Joe Biden did not want a southern border.
00:05:45.000He wanted a dilution of national sovereignty.
00:05:47.000He wanted a great replacement of American citizens.
00:05:51.000He wanted a nonstop flow of illegals into the country.
00:05:55.000For whatever reason, you can guess, you can hypothesize, but we know that he wanted it.
00:06:01.000We know certainly that is what he wanted.
00:06:36.000He goes from the border correspondent to the Canadian correspondent.
00:06:39.000Bill Malusian is a top-tier American, 10 out of 10 patriot, phenomenal reporter, but he's going to have to find a new thing to cover.
00:06:48.000Now, of course, he does cover a lot of stories, but he became very famous for covering the border.
00:06:52.000Of course, I'm being lightheartedly sarcastic.
00:06:54.000Play cut 240. Gotaways have also completely fallen off a cliff since Trump took office.
00:07:00.000CBP sources tell us over the last 21 days there have been an average of just 77 gotaways per day nationwide.
00:07:08.000That's down 95.8% from the Biden highs of fiscal year 2023. That's when there were a staggering 1,830 gotaways on average every single day.
00:07:30.000That's a 95.8% decrease from Biden highs.
00:07:37.000Fox reported that the ICE director has now uncovered tens of thousands of border crossings where Biden cooked the books and recorded them as arrests when in reality, they're in your neighborhoods.
00:07:48.000Play Cut 250. Homeland Security officials are accusing the Biden administration of misleading the public on border numbers.
00:07:54.000So by counting migrants that were processed and released as ICE arrests.
00:08:01.000Those senior leaders with DHS and ICE took time to speak to reporters and they basically accused the Biden administration of what they're calling, quote, cooking the books and lying basically to the American public about how many illegal migrants they actually arrested.
00:08:16.000The Biden administration reported more than 100,000 arrests in fiscal year 2024. But the senior leaders say the numbers are deceiving.
00:08:25.000That is because the majority of these arrests are what's called pass-through arrests.
00:08:34.000The liberation of your country is being televised.
00:08:39.000The restoration of your sovereignty is happening in real time.
00:08:43.000President Trump will be criticized every day in the media, but he needs to be heralded and celebrated by every patriot in America because you have a border again.
00:08:53.000Your sovereignty is coming back to life.
00:08:56.000And that needs to be repeated on a daily basis.
00:09:01.000We were told that this cannot be solved.
00:09:04.000We were told that this was an impossibility.
00:09:07.000We were told that this needed to have a bipartisan bill.
00:09:10.000We need to put all these people in a room together.
00:09:13.000Do you know the bipartisan bill that Jim Lankford was pushing, James Lankford, would have allowed 5,000 people a day to come across the southern border?
00:09:27.000Senator Lankford would have, if he would have got his way and Mitch McConnell would have got his way, they would have put handcuffs on President Trump who would have inherited this border bill.
00:10:51.000That bipartisan bill would hire 1,500 more security agents and officers, 100 more immigration judges to help tackle the back load of two men in cases, 4,300 more asylum officers, and new policies so they can resolve cases in six months instead of six and new policies so they can resolve cases in six months instead What are you against?
00:12:41.000But understand and repeat and commit it to memory and teach it to your children and teach it to your neighbors that we would be living in a much different reality right now.
00:12:52.000The reality would be that Trump would say, let's close the border.
00:12:55.000Sorry, there was a bipartisan bill signed under Joe Biden.
00:12:58.000And James Lankford was the defender, the author, and the advocate of trying to neuter Donald Trump.
00:13:05.000He was trying to cut off Donald Trump's ability to do what the voters wanted him to do.
00:13:11.000And honestly, credit to Speaker Mike Johnson.
00:13:14.000I got to give credit where credit's due.
00:13:15.000We call balls and strikes here in this program.
00:13:17.000Mike Johnson was a hard no on this border bill.
00:13:26.000We knew that this bill would have codified 4,999 people coming across the southern border.
00:13:33.000Congress, which was led by James Lankford on the Republican side, said that 5,000 people a day is a normal amount of traffic at the border.
00:14:04.000He stood up to James Lankford and this entire team.
00:14:08.000Here's James Lankford bragging on cable TV about how they wanted to steal Donald Trump's term away from him.
00:14:14.000Let's play Cut 269. Yeah, it's not, again, it's not gates opening.
00:14:18.000That's a misunderstanding of the bill itself.
00:14:20.000It's how many can we process and actually deport.
00:14:23.000When you raise the standard for people coming across, when you increase the detention beds, when you increase deportation flights, you're not letting people in.
00:14:30.000And people are thinking about how the Biden administration is running it now.
00:14:33.000Right now, the Biden administration is allowing, for instance, 1,500 people a day just to come to the ports of entry, get a work permit, and get released in the country.
00:14:41.000People coming between ports of entry get what's called a notice to appear and get released in the country.
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00:17:40.000Joining us now is a great friend and total patriot from Oklahoma, Senator Mark Wayne Mullen.
00:17:46.000Senator, thank you for joining the program.
00:17:48.000What is going on with the CR? Explain it to our audience and how Chuck Schumer caved.
00:17:54.000Well, so I guess it was earlier this week, Schumer said that he wasn't going to give one single Democrat the ability to vote on the CR. He was going to go into the shutdown because he said that Republicans don't have the vote.
00:18:08.000Well, obviously, because we only have 53. Take Rand Paul off of it, we're at 52. Mitch McConnell, we don't know where he's going to vote at it, so we're probably at 51. Where we're at with the CR right now, as we speak, we invoke cloture on it at...
00:18:25.000Now, that means it's a 30-hour window, and if the Democrats fight us on the 30-hour window, they can yield back their time if they want to.
00:18:31.000If they fight us, then we won't be able to vote on it until tomorrow and shut down.
00:18:34.000All the Democrats have agreed to do it except five.
00:18:38.000The five Democrats that have agreed not to yield back to us on this are all up for re-election.
00:18:45.000They're all in states that President Trump won, and they're wanting to use this for a fundraising opportunity so they can show their base if they're fighting for a losing cause.
00:18:55.000Because they can't explain this, Charlie.
00:18:57.000They can't explain why they're against the CR. Because, mind you, these are the same numbers, the same top-line numbers that they voted for in September when Biden was in office, in December when Biden was in office.
00:19:09.000And the only thing that's really changed now is that Trump's in office.
00:19:12.000So how do you explain that to American people, that you voted for it twice, but now you won't because the only reason is you hate the president that's currently in there?
00:19:20.000And so talk about how this sets the table then for this one big, beautiful reconciliation bill.
00:19:27.000Yeah, so what we've got to do here, and President Trump and I have spoken about this in length, President Trump is dead set on trying to balance the budget.
00:19:36.000It's going to be very difficult to do that in FY26. So mind you, we're fighting over FY25, which FY25 runs out in September 30th because we're running off a fiscal year.
00:19:47.000So we go from October 1 to September 30th.
00:19:50.000We're five and a half months into FY25. Chuck Schumer not one time brought up a...
00:20:21.000There's no way we can get the doge cuts that we need in this physical year for FY25 because before the Biden administration left, they front-loaded all the spending.
00:20:34.000So basically, most of the money for FY25 has already been spent.
00:20:38.000This is why you saw in the DOJ Act, they went in and they clawed back $80 billion from FEMA. They're going through these programs and they're getting the money back because otherwise we're going to run out of money.
00:20:52.000I mean, they literally spent all the money in January.
00:20:54.000So with that, that means that we can't start enacting DOJ. Cuts until we start on FY26. So we've got a cut, a clean cut.
00:21:04.000We need to say goodbye, play the song, hey, hey, hey, goodbye, whatever that song is.
00:21:24.000We'll start working on FY26 appropriations literally Monday.
00:21:30.000I mean, we'll start working on them Monday because we need to have all 12 appropriation bills, unless we're going to do another CR, which none of us want to do that.
00:21:39.000We've got to have all 12 appropriation bills out of the committees, out of the appropriation committee, which I sat on, and to the floor no later than July 31st.
00:21:51.000Now, the House has to do the same thing.
00:21:54.000And then we've got to start working out our differences so we can avoid conference in most of the bills because they're going to be different bills.
00:22:02.000But if we don't have them done by the time we get back from August recess, we're going to run into a CR. So the more we waste on FY25, and I know this is getting wonky, the more we waste on FY25, the less likely we are to get FY26 appropriation done and get started with President Trump's agenda.
00:22:20.000So, all that to say, that is a little wonky, but I think I was tracking it.
00:22:25.000Do you think we'll get a big, beautiful bill before July 4th?
00:22:39.000Budget just simply sets the top-line numbers for each committee to have to fall within.
00:22:44.000So, we've got the budget from the House.
00:22:48.000We still have got to get our budget done in the Senate.
00:22:51.000And the difference that we're fighting on is current tax policy or current tax law.
00:22:58.000So what that means is the current taxes that we're playing in right now, once again, this is difficult, but your listening audience is very educated on politics.
00:23:09.000Right now, what we're working on is underneath the current tax policy that President Trump put in place.
00:23:15.000But the law says it expires the end of this year.
00:23:19.000And if we allow it to expire, the way the CBO scores it, the Congressional Budget Office, says that we have to count that as a deficit once it expires at $4 trillion.
00:23:29.000What the House has got it written is they have their budget wrote on current tax law.
00:23:36.000That way we don't have to count it as a policy or as a debt.
00:23:41.000Either way, we have to work those differences out before we can even start reconciliation.
00:23:45.000So once we get the budget done, then we can start reconciliation, and we still have FY26, which is why we've got to get rid of one more off our plate, FY25. The Biden administration left us in a mess.
00:25:52.000We've got it all wrong, people thinking that you've got to have eight hours of sleep because those two guys don't get it.
00:25:57.000But anyways, when you start looking at rescission, I sent Elon two PDF files with 1,500 programs, agencies, and departments that have not been reauthorized by Congress.
00:26:13.000And each one of them have a tag attached to them.
00:26:16.000Essentially, the rescission, he could go through each one of these that these agencies have not been reauthorized, these programs that have not been reauthorized, and these departments that have not been reauthorized.
00:26:28.000And give them to Congress one, two, or five at a time.
00:26:32.000And the rescission, we have 45 days to either agree with them or do nothing.
00:26:38.000If we do nothing, they've actually become law.
00:26:40.000If we actually vote on them and vote them down, then they become law where the next president can't reinstate them.
00:26:49.000I mean, I feel like we could probably be somewhere, and this is what Elon and I were talking about, somewhere around $250 billion to $500 billion in cuts right there.
00:27:26.000A lot of these programs that the PPP and the COVID money was never technically authorized by Congress.
00:27:33.000What we did is we gave the administration a big clump of money.
00:27:39.000And we allow them to set up these programs that we never authorized.
00:27:43.000They actually set up extra departments, too, that we never authorized.
00:27:47.000Every single one of those can come out through rescission.
00:27:51.000So, Senator, I want to keep you from another segment here because this is, to your credit, very thoughtfully delivered and not just kind of the drive-by cable news thing.
00:28:01.000I think people should subscribe to our podcast and re-listen to everything the senator has gone through here because this is really good meaty stuff.
00:28:09.000So, what role then do the courts play in tying up some of the administration's actions when it comes to spending?
00:28:19.000Because that's also an ingredient here.
00:28:21.000So, the courts can't tie up anything that goes through the rescission.
00:28:25.000Anything that is outside of rescission, technically they can, but it's tough for them to make the argument because most of the cuts are coming from...
00:28:33.000Unappropriated funds because Congress, because we bundle, we don't do line-out of appropriations.
00:28:42.000Most of it can be said it's not directly been authorized or funded by government through appropriations.
00:28:52.000And so what the courts are saying is it has been.
00:28:55.000As it goes through the court system against the Supreme Court, you're going to see more and more of the lower courts being overturned by the Supreme Court because in the most cases, there's been one case they wasn't because it was actually appropriated.
00:29:10.000Most of these other cases were not appropriated.
00:29:12.000It was simply designed and put out by OBM by the Biden administration.
00:29:21.000We're barreling towards a fiscal apocalypse.
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00:31:28.000The deficit must go from what will be projected now to be about 7.2% of GDP to about 3% of GDP. Otherwise, there will be a supply-demand problem.
00:32:10.000The reason why we're in this debt is because it takes a whole lot of us to agree on what we're going to cut to get it passed.
00:32:17.000And when you start cutting, you start paying attention to this, it starts affecting everybody's state.
00:32:22.000I mean, right now what Doge is doing, I support a thousand percent, but I'm getting a ton of phone calls every single day because of things that are being cut and because it's federal employees.
00:32:35.000I mean, the biggest implore we have in the United States is Federal government, right?
00:32:40.000And you start talking, just generically speaking, 50% of everybody out there, half of everybody out there is either directly or indirectly financially benefiting from some type of federal program.
00:32:54.000Now, you can say, well, I don't get any of those programs.
00:32:57.000Well, your contract that your company is working on is paying your salary.
00:33:32.000We're the guy that buried it in Washington, D.C., and we're not spending it wisely, and it needs to be given back to the people who will spend it right.
00:33:39.000We proved underneath President Trump that Reagan economics still work.
00:33:45.000When President Trump cut taxes, they were talking about this $10 trillion deficit that he was going to add.
00:33:51.000What we saw in the very first year was an actual increase into the Treasury Department.
00:33:58.000We were actually on the path, if COVID wouldn't have happened, to actually have a balanced budget, which is why President Trump is pushing so hard to have a balanced budget.
00:34:08.000There is no way, underneath the Republican Congress, being in the House and the Senate, we're going to raise taxes.
00:34:14.000So, Senator, finally, what other little passion projects are you going to try to advocate to be put into this big bill?
00:34:21.000The border, the taxes will get all the attention.
00:34:23.000The way this works, though, is that there could be a lot of little wins.
00:34:26.000For example, maybe a repeal of the Johnson Amendment.
00:34:29.000I'd love to see that, which has been an anti-church amendment since Lyndon Baines Johnson.
00:34:33.000What other little things will you be advocating for?
00:34:36.000Well, you've got to remember, everything's got to go within the Byrd rule, and it's got to be directly related to...
00:34:46.000We've got to be very careful that we don't blow up the whole bill by trying to put too much stuff into it.
00:34:53.000We're going to have other opportunities as we move forward because we still have the disaster bill we've got to put into.
00:34:58.000We've still got to be looking at trying to do immigration reform.
00:35:01.000There's going to be opportunities for us to do this.
00:35:03.000And then there's one thing that I have had the privilege of talking with Secretary Burgum about.
00:35:09.000Is setting up this true sovereign wealth fund.
00:35:12.000And this is stuff that can be put in this bill, by the way.
00:35:15.000But the sovereign wealth fund that goes after the debt.
00:35:18.000If we use the resources we have inside the United States, which we have more resources under our feet in the United States than any other country in the world, we just don't utilize it.
00:35:27.000But we actually set up a sovereign wealth fund like a lot of these Middle East rich countries do.
00:35:32.000And we, instead of us using it as a slush fund, but we use it specifically 100% to pay off the debt, we can see where we could get out of debt in your and I's lifetime.
00:35:45.000It'll still be our kids carrying it, but there's an opportunity for us to get out of debt in our lifetime underneath President Trump setting it up for future Congresses if they don't screw it up.