The Charlie Kirk Show - We Have a Border Again

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, it's in the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:00:01.000 The remarkable accomplishment of what's happened on our southern border.

00:00:07.000 It's a very important conversation we have here, and how James Langford from Oklahoma almost gave away the entire presidency.

00:00:16.000 Very important.

00:00:17.000 Senator Mark Wayne Mullen, in an in-depth conversation about what's happening with the bills in Congress, if you have any interest at all whatsoever about what's happening in Congress, This is going to be a very important episode for you.

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00:00:49.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:01:47.000 We had an unbelievable event at University of Tennessee yesterday.

00:01:51.000 It might have been our best event ever.

00:01:54.000 Let's show the video here on screen, guys.

00:01:56.000 It was a remarkable time.

00:01:59.000 I mean, it was this amphitheater unlike anything we've ever seen.

00:02:02.000 We had well over 3,000 to 4,000 students there, and it was really something.

00:02:10.000 I gotta be honest.

00:02:11.000 And look at the amount of students.

00:02:15.000 From all different walks of life, it's one of the biggest crowds we've ever had.

00:02:20.000 And I've got to give the University of Tennessee credit, not for anything they've done, but they built a great amphitheater.

00:02:25.000 It made our job very easy yesterday.

00:02:27.000 And as a presenter and as a speaker, it was pretty awesome and phenomenal.

00:02:34.000 Yesterday, I was asked by somebody, well, Charlie, what has Trump even done so far as president?

00:02:39.000 What has he done in the last 53 days?

00:02:43.000 I don't think we have spent enough time on this program pausing, internalizing, and celebrating the magnitude and the weight of what President Trump has accomplished when it comes to the southern border.

00:03:00.000 People know it.

00:03:02.000 They're hearing it.

00:03:03.000 But what I want to do is emphasize it to such an important degree to you today.

00:03:08.000 To show you what President Trump has done on the border is so remarkable.

00:03:13.000 And it should never be taken for granted.

00:03:16.000 U.S. Border Patrol in the month of February arrested 8,300 border jumpers coming into our country in February.

00:03:26.000 8,300 in an entire month.

00:03:29.000 That is the fewest ever recorded.

00:03:33.000 Let me say that again.

00:03:34.000 That is the fewest ever recorded.

00:03:35.000 And unlike under Joe Biden, they are not being released into the interior of the country.

00:03:40.000 They're not getting a court date.

00:03:42.000 They're being returned to their country of origin. 0.98

00:03:45.000 Now, it's very easy to attack President Trump saying, oh, these tariffs are a waste of time.

00:03:51.000 Not so fast, my friend.

00:03:52.000 These tariffs are also largely, and the threat of tariffs, are why Mexico is now taking the security of the southern border seriously.

00:04:00.000 A year ago, In February, 141,000 people were detained at the border.

00:04:06.000 So we went from 141,000 under Joe Biden to 8,300.

00:04:13.000 141 to 8.3.

00:04:16.000 A year ago, more than 3,500 people were caught crossing the border who were originally from China.

00:04:24.000 Now it's only 130, and they're all being sent back to China.

00:04:28.000 A year ago, 600 people were caught crossing from Marchatania.

00:04:34.000 That's an impoverished African country where slavery is still very, very common.

00:04:40.000 This month, the total was one, and they were sent back to their country of origin.

00:04:45.000 This was always a question of the will.

00:04:49.000 Washington claimed, including Mitch McConnell and James Lankford, That they needed sweeping new laws to secure the southern border.

00:04:57.000 And they were lying to you.

00:04:58.000 So there's two parts of what I want to talk about here.

00:05:01.000 And also, by the way, there is breaking news.

00:05:03.000 President Trump just posted that he had great discussions with Vladimir Putin.

00:05:07.000 I'm going to allow Blake to pivot and read and analyze that while I break this down.

00:05:11.000 So Blake, please focus on the Putin news while I continue on this.

00:05:15.000 Because I need to emphasize the border win.

00:05:18.000 There's so much happening, but we have to take a little bit of time and slow down and say, wow, what President Trump has accomplished here is remarkable.

00:05:29.000 This is always a question of whether or not we wanted it.

00:05:32.000 Understand that the biggest questions of our time, whether it be homelessness, whether it be the southern border, inflation, is whether or not we want what is best.

00:05:43.000 Joe Biden did not want a southern border.

00:05:45.000 He wanted a dilution of national sovereignty.

00:05:47.000 He wanted a great replacement of American citizens. 0.98

00:05:51.000 He wanted a nonstop flow of illegals into the country. 0.88

00:05:55.000 For whatever reason, you can guess, you can hypothesize, but we know that he wanted it.

00:06:01.000 We know certainly that is what he wanted.

00:06:05.000 Let's go to some of the tape here.

00:06:06.000 It is so remarkable.

00:06:08.000 This is Bill Malusian, and Bill Malusian is going to be out of a job.

00:06:12.000 Bill Malusian was the caravan correspondent.

00:06:15.000 Bill Malusian was the border guy.

00:06:18.000 Bill Malusian's going to have to come work at the Charlie Kirk show.

00:06:21.000 And by the way, we would love to have Bill Malusian.

00:06:23.000 I don't think Fox would want to see him.

00:06:24.000 Fox is doing a great job, by the way, especially lately on this coverage.

00:06:28.000 But Bill Malusian's got to find a new line of work.

00:06:31.000 Maybe Bill Malusian can be the senior Canadian correspondent.

00:06:34.000 There's a lot to cover there.

00:06:36.000 He goes from the border correspondent to the Canadian correspondent.

00:06:39.000 Bill Malusian is a top-tier American, 10 out of 10 patriot, phenomenal reporter, but he's going to have to find a new thing to cover.

00:06:48.000 Now, of course, he does cover a lot of stories, but he became very famous for covering the border.

00:06:52.000 Of course, I'm being lightheartedly sarcastic.

00:06:54.000 Play cut 240. Gotaways have also completely fallen off a cliff since Trump took office.

00:07:00.000 CBP sources tell us over the last 21 days there have been an average of just 77 gotaways per day nationwide.

00:07:08.000 That's down 95.8% from the Biden highs of fiscal year 2023. That's when there were a staggering 1,830 gotaways on average every single day.

00:07:20.000 I want you to internalize that.

00:07:23.000 Over the last 21 days, there's been an average of only 77 gotaways.

00:07:27.000 By the way, it should be zero.

00:07:28.000 We're going to get to zero.

00:07:29.000 It's going to be Project Zero.

00:07:30.000 That's a 95.8% decrease from Biden highs.

00:07:37.000 Fox reported that the ICE director has now uncovered tens of thousands of border crossings where Biden cooked the books and recorded them as arrests when in reality, they're in your neighborhoods.

00:07:48.000 Play Cut 250. Homeland Security officials are accusing the Biden administration of misleading the public on border numbers.

00:07:54.000 So by counting migrants that were processed and released as ICE arrests.

00:08:00.000 That doesn't sound right.

00:08:01.000 Those senior leaders with DHS and ICE took time to speak to reporters and they basically accused the Biden administration of what they're calling, quote, cooking the books and lying basically to the American public about how many illegal migrants they actually arrested.

00:08:16.000 The Biden administration reported more than 100,000 arrests in fiscal year 2024. But the senior leaders say the numbers are deceiving.

00:08:25.000 That is because the majority of these arrests are what's called pass-through arrests.

00:08:34.000 The liberation of your country is being televised.

00:08:39.000 The restoration of your sovereignty is happening in real time.

00:08:43.000 President Trump will be criticized every day in the media, but he needs to be heralded and celebrated by every patriot in America because you have a border again.

00:08:53.000 Your sovereignty is coming back to life.

00:08:56.000 And that needs to be repeated on a daily basis.

00:08:59.000 Told to your friends.

00:09:00.000 Told to your family.

00:09:01.000 We were told that this cannot be solved.

00:09:04.000 We were told that this was an impossibility.

00:09:07.000 We were told that this needed to have a bipartisan bill.

00:09:10.000 We need to put all these people in a room together.

00:09:13.000 Do you know the bipartisan bill that Jim Lankford was pushing, James Lankford, would have allowed 5,000 people a day to come across the southern border?

00:09:24.000 Well, 4,999.

00:09:27.000 Senator Lankford would have, if he would have got his way and Mitch McConnell would have got his way, they would have put handcuffs on President Trump who would have inherited this border bill. 0.78

00:09:37.000 That is why they did it.

00:09:39.000 They pushed this bill to try to prevent the now border closure that you are living through.

00:09:45.000 It would have codified illegal immigration into law.

00:09:49.000 It would have had permanency for the invasion.

00:09:51.000 And President Trump would have said, I never signed this.

00:09:54.000 And he would have said, well, too bad.

00:09:55.000 You have to live under the 4,999 statute.

00:09:58.000 You would have had a rolling average, a rolling new norm of just 4,999 people a day.

00:10:07.000 Here's Joe Biden saying, well, we need a bipartisan border bill, and it goes right onto James Lankford's face.

00:10:13.000 And I hope you never forget the treachery of James Lankford.

00:10:17.000 He will be primary, and he will be removed.

00:10:19.000 He almost sold out our entire country.

00:10:22.000 That was his motivation.

00:10:23.000 Play cut 268. In November, my team began serious negotiations with a bipartisan group of senators.

00:10:31.000 The result was a bipartisan bill with the toughest set of border security reforms we've ever seen.

00:10:38.000 Oh, you don't think so?

00:10:42.000 Oh, you don't like that bill, huh?

00:10:45.000 That conservatives got together and said it was a good bill?

00:10:48.000 I'll be darned.

00:10:50.000 That's amazing.

00:10:51.000 That bipartisan bill would hire 1,500 more security agents and officers, 100 more immigration judges to help tackle the back load of two men in cases, 4,300 more asylum officers, and new policies so they can resolve cases in six months instead of six and new policies so they can resolve cases in six months instead What are you against?

00:11:19.000 We did not need a bipartisan bill.

00:11:21.000 We needed a new president.

00:11:23.000 And with the new president, we now have a border, a restoration of our country.

00:11:30.000 Praise the Lord.

00:11:31.000 But never forget that if James Lankford would have got his way, none of this would have been made possible.

00:11:37.000 We defeated the regime.

00:11:40.000 President Trump did.

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00:12:32.000 I can't get off of this.

00:12:33.000 The Putin-Trump news is not that breaking, but it is important. 0.82

00:12:38.000 We'll get to that.

00:12:41.000 But understand and repeat and commit it to memory and teach it to your children and teach it to your neighbors that we would be living in a much different reality right now.

00:12:52.000 The reality would be that Trump would say, let's close the border.

00:12:55.000 Sorry, there was a bipartisan bill signed under Joe Biden.

00:12:58.000 And James Lankford was the defender, the author, and the advocate of trying to neuter Donald Trump.

00:13:05.000 He was trying to cut off Donald Trump's ability to do what the voters wanted him to do.

00:13:11.000 And honestly, credit to Speaker Mike Johnson.

00:13:14.000 I got to give credit where credit's due.

00:13:15.000 We call balls and strikes here in this program.

00:13:17.000 Mike Johnson was a hard no on this border bill.

00:13:20.000 Good for him.

00:13:22.000 Remember when everyone said, oh, you know, they want the border to be open?

00:13:25.000 No, no, no.

00:13:26.000 We knew that this bill would have codified 4,999 people coming across the southern border.

00:13:33.000 Congress, which was led by James Lankford on the Republican side, said that 5,000 people a day is a normal amount of traffic at the border.

00:13:42.000 This looked like it could pass.

00:13:45.000 The Senate was getting on board.

00:13:47.000 James Lankford was leading it.

00:13:48.000 And Mike Johnson, to his credit, And his little tiny mighty majority nuked it.

00:13:54.000 So you've got to give Mike Johnson credit.

00:13:56.000 It might have been one of the greatest things Mike Johnson ever did as Speaker.

00:13:59.000 You've just got to always be clear about where things are.

00:14:02.000 What he did was significant.

00:14:04.000 He stood up to James Lankford and this entire team.

00:14:08.000 Here's James Lankford bragging on cable TV about how they wanted to steal Donald Trump's term away from him.

00:14:14.000 Let's play Cut 269. Yeah, it's not, again, it's not gates opening.

00:14:18.000 That's a misunderstanding of the bill itself.

00:14:20.000 It's how many can we process and actually deport.

00:14:23.000 When you raise the standard for people coming across, when you increase the detention beds, when you increase deportation flights, you're not letting people in. 0.51

00:14:30.000 And people are thinking about how the Biden administration is running it now.

00:14:33.000 Right now, the Biden administration is allowing, for instance, 1,500 people a day just to come to the ports of entry, get a work permit, and get released in the country.

00:14:41.000 People coming between ports of entry get what's called a notice to appear and get released in the country.

00:14:45.000 All of that.

00:14:48.000 We're focused on how many people can we process quickly and then deport out of the country, not release into the country. 0.98

00:14:54.000 It would be absolutely absurd for anyone to be able to propose something to say we're just going to slow the number of releases.

00:15:00.000 We're focused on how do we actually enforce our border and get us back to zero people actually crossing the border illegally.

00:15:07.000 Every administration has struggled to be able to get the authorities in place to be able to actually enforce our border.

00:15:12.000 Let's put them in place.

00:15:16.000 We'll never forget, Trump's not struggling.

00:15:18.000 He didn't need a bill.

00:15:20.000 You are wrong.

00:15:21.000 You are a liar.

00:15:22.000 You are a fake.

00:15:22.000 You are a fraud.

00:15:24.000 You went on TV and say, well, every administration struggled.

00:15:26.000 Trump right now is not struggling.

00:15:28.000 Trump is hanging out doing other stuff.

00:15:30.000 He's renaming the Gulf of Mexico, the Gulf of America, because we have a border.

00:15:35.000 There's no struggling.

00:15:37.000 Oh, well, every administration's struggling.

00:15:39.000 It just took a will.

00:15:41.000 It took a desire.

00:15:43.000 It took willpower to get it done.

00:15:45.000 It did not take some bipartisan committee.

00:15:47.000 And you on TV right there, well, every administration has struggled.

00:15:51.000 No, no, no, no.

00:15:51.000 You only struggle if you don't want it.

00:15:54.000 And we're kicking you out of office, James Lankford.

00:15:56.000 I'm going to say this every month, and I am not going to forget about this one.

00:15:59.000 Like a heat-seeking missile, we're coming after him in 2028. And he might want to run for governor.

00:16:04.000 He's not going to be able to run for mosquito abatement director in Enid, Oklahoma after this.

00:16:09.000 Because the great people of Oklahoma are smart.

00:16:11.000 They're wise.

00:16:12.000 They've got a great cuddiness to them.

00:16:14.000 They're tough.

00:16:15.000 And James Lankford is controlled opposition.

00:16:17.000 We would have a wide open border right now if James Lankford would have got his way.

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00:17:40.000 Joining us now is a great friend and total patriot from Oklahoma, Senator Mark Wayne Mullen.

00:17:46.000 Senator, thank you for joining the program.

00:17:48.000 What is going on with the CR? Explain it to our audience and how Chuck Schumer caved.

00:17:54.000 Well, so I guess it was earlier this week, Schumer said that he wasn't going to give one single Democrat the ability to vote on the CR. He was going to go into the shutdown because he said that Republicans don't have the vote.

00:18:08.000 Well, obviously, because we only have 53. Take Rand Paul off of it, we're at 52. Mitch McConnell, we don't know where he's going to vote at it, so we're probably at 51. Where we're at with the CR right now, as we speak, we invoke cloture on it at...

00:18:23.000 We have 115 today.

00:18:25.000 Now, that means it's a 30-hour window, and if the Democrats fight us on the 30-hour window, they can yield back their time if they want to.

00:18:31.000 If they fight us, then we won't be able to vote on it until tomorrow and shut down.

00:18:34.000 All the Democrats have agreed to do it except five.

00:18:37.000 Five Democrats.

00:18:38.000 The five Democrats that have agreed not to yield back to us on this are all up for re-election.

00:18:45.000 They're all in states that President Trump won, and they're wanting to use this for a fundraising opportunity so they can show their base if they're fighting for a losing cause.

00:18:55.000 Because they can't explain this, Charlie.

00:18:57.000 They can't explain why they're against the CR. Because, mind you, these are the same numbers, the same top-line numbers that they voted for in September when Biden was in office, in December when Biden was in office.

00:19:09.000 And the only thing that's really changed now is that Trump's in office.

00:19:12.000 So how do you explain that to American people, that you voted for it twice, but now you won't because the only reason is you hate the president that's currently in there?

00:19:20.000 And so talk about how this sets the table then for this one big, beautiful reconciliation bill.

00:19:27.000 Yeah, so what we've got to do here, and President Trump and I have spoken about this in length, President Trump is dead set on trying to balance the budget.

00:19:36.000 It's going to be very difficult to do that in FY26. So mind you, we're fighting over FY25, which FY25 runs out in September 30th because we're running off a fiscal year.

00:19:47.000 So we go from October 1 to September 30th.

00:19:50.000 We're five and a half months into FY25. Chuck Schumer not one time brought up a...

00:19:57.000 A single appropriation bill.

00:19:58.000 We had 11 appropriation bills sitting on his desk since July 31st.

00:20:02.000 Six of them passed out of committee with unanimous support, meaning no opposition.

00:20:07.000 And he didn't one time bring it...

00:20:09.000 To the floor, which now he's saying that the reason why we're doing the CR is because Republicans lack of leadership, but whatever.

00:20:16.000 What we've got to do is cut the umbilical cord from the Biden administration.

00:20:20.000 It's holding us back.

00:20:21.000 There's no way we can get the doge cuts that we need in this physical year for FY25 because before the Biden administration left, they front-loaded all the spending.

00:20:34.000 So basically, most of the money for FY25 has already been spent.

00:20:38.000 This is why you saw in the DOJ Act, they went in and they clawed back $80 billion from FEMA. They're going through these programs and they're getting the money back because otherwise we're going to run out of money.

00:20:52.000 I mean, they literally spent all the money in January.

00:20:54.000 So with that, that means that we can't start enacting DOJ. Cuts until we start on FY26. So we've got a cut, a clean cut.

00:21:04.000 We need to say goodbye, play the song, hey, hey, hey, goodbye, whatever that song is.

00:21:09.000 There you go.

00:21:11.000 Yeah, there you go.

00:21:12.000 No, no, no, no.

00:21:13.000 And get FY25 behind us to the Biden administration and move on to FY26. We start working on it.

00:21:20.000 Now, think about this.

00:21:22.000 We're already into March.

00:21:24.000 We'll start working on FY26 appropriations literally Monday.

00:21:30.000 I mean, we'll start working on them Monday because we need to have all 12 appropriation bills, unless we're going to do another CR, which none of us want to do that.

00:21:39.000 We've got to have all 12 appropriation bills out of the committees, out of the appropriation committee, which I sat on, and to the floor no later than July 31st.

00:21:51.000 Now, the House has to do the same thing.

00:21:54.000 And then we've got to start working out our differences so we can avoid conference in most of the bills because they're going to be different bills.

00:22:02.000 But if we don't have them done by the time we get back from August recess, we're going to run into a CR. So the more we waste on FY25, and I know this is getting wonky, the more we waste on FY25, the less likely we are to get FY26 appropriation done and get started with President Trump's agenda.

00:22:20.000 So, all that to say, that is a little wonky, but I think I was tracking it.

00:22:25.000 Do you think we'll get a big, beautiful bill before July 4th?

00:22:29.000 Well, so, that's another thing.

00:22:31.000 People are confused by this.

00:22:32.000 We've got the budget we've got to do, which sets the top-line numbers.

00:22:36.000 Budget is not reconciliation.

00:22:39.000 Budget just simply sets the top-line numbers for each committee to have to fall within.

00:22:44.000 So, we've got the budget from the House.

00:22:48.000 We still have got to get our budget done in the Senate.

00:22:51.000 And the difference that we're fighting on is current tax policy or current tax law.

00:22:58.000 So what that means is the current taxes that we're playing in right now, once again, this is difficult, but your listening audience is very educated on politics.

00:23:08.000 I believe they're following.

00:23:09.000 Right now, what we're working on is underneath the current tax policy that President Trump put in place.

00:23:15.000 But the law says it expires the end of this year.

00:23:19.000 And if we allow it to expire, the way the CBO scores it, the Congressional Budget Office, says that we have to count that as a deficit once it expires at $4 trillion.

00:23:29.000 What the House has got it written is they have their budget wrote on current tax law.

00:23:34.000 It should be current tax policy.

00:23:36.000 That way we don't have to count it as a policy or as a debt.

00:23:41.000 Either way, we have to work those differences out before we can even start reconciliation.

00:23:45.000 So once we get the budget done, then we can start reconciliation, and we still have FY26, which is why we've got to get rid of one more off our plate, FY25. The Biden administration left us in a mess.

00:23:55.000 They didn't do one single thing.

00:23:57.000 So we can get one thing off our plate.

00:23:59.000 We will be focusing on FY26 at the same time getting the budget done.

00:24:04.000 And getting one big beautiful bill for President Trump.

00:24:06.000 He's made it very clear that's what he wants.

00:24:09.000 But when do you think by when though?

00:24:13.000 I think we're behind now.

00:24:15.000 We wanted to get it done by Memorial Weekend.

00:24:18.000 I don't think we can do that.

00:24:19.000 I think we're probably going to be in July by the time we get it done.

00:24:22.000 There's a chance it could all come together that quick now that we're not having to deal with this CR anymore.

00:24:29.000 There's a chance it can get done, but I think realistically it's going to be July.

00:24:35.000 So what ingredients can we expect in this big, beautiful bill?

00:24:39.000 I know we're going to get more border funding.

00:24:41.000 And can we also get spending cuts in this big, beautiful bill, or is this a supplemental?

00:24:48.000 We can.

00:24:48.000 We can get a lot of cuts in there.

00:24:50.000 I believe we could approach a trillion dollars in cuts.

00:24:54.000 I think two trillion dollars is going to be tough.

00:24:56.000 Well, hold on.

00:24:57.000 Time out, time out, time out.

00:24:58.000 I don't want to do the D.C. thing.

00:24:59.000 Is that a trillion a year or a trillion over 10 years?

00:25:02.000 It'd be a trillion over this physical year.

00:25:06.000 Okay, that's big.

00:25:07.000 That's big.

00:25:09.000 But that would be tough to do, but I'm saying it's possible.

00:25:13.000 When I say the fiscal year, it would be basically for the two-year of Congress, so 119th Congress we'd build it.

00:25:18.000 So it's basically two years, but it would be the fiscal year of FY26. It's wonky math.

00:25:22.000 It only works in government.

00:25:24.000 But the real savings we could find is through rescission.

00:25:30.000 Now, I know this is something you know about.

00:25:34.000 The public people are just now starting to figure out what rescission is.

00:25:37.000 What's interesting about the rescission, and Elon and I were talking about this early last Saturday.

00:25:42.000 I mean, he literally called me at 1 o'clock in the morning, and we're talking about this.

00:25:46.000 I know.

00:25:47.000 It's him and President Trump.

00:25:49.000 Two very successful guys don't sleep.

00:25:51.000 Maybe there's something to this.

00:25:52.000 We've got it all wrong, people thinking that you've got to have eight hours of sleep because those two guys don't get it.

00:25:57.000 But anyways, when you start looking at rescission, I sent Elon two PDF files with 1,500 programs, agencies, and departments that have not been reauthorized by Congress.

00:26:13.000 And each one of them have a tag attached to them.

00:26:16.000 Essentially, the rescission, he could go through each one of these that these agencies have not been reauthorized, these programs that have not been reauthorized, and these departments that have not been reauthorized.

00:26:28.000 And give them to Congress one, two, or five at a time.

00:26:32.000 And the rescission, we have 45 days to either agree with them or do nothing.

00:26:38.000 If we do nothing, they've actually become law.

00:26:40.000 If we actually vote on them and vote them down, then they become law where the next president can't reinstate them.

00:26:47.000 It's a huge cost savings.

00:26:49.000 I mean, I feel like we could probably be somewhere, and this is what Elon and I were talking about, somewhere around $250 billion to $500 billion in cuts right there.

00:27:00.000 And it's simple.

00:27:01.000 It's very easy for us to do.

00:27:02.000 It's a conversation wrapping.

00:27:03.000 So we can have cuts in that, in the rescission.

00:27:06.000 We can have cuts in the reconciliation package.

00:27:11.000 And then you're also going to have cuts in FY26. I mean, Senator, I'm not telling you anything you don't know.

00:27:16.000 But there's still PPP money that hasn't been.

00:27:19.000 There's still COVID money that you guys could rescind, correct?

00:27:23.000 Well, that's part of the programs.

00:27:26.000 A lot of these programs that the PPP and the COVID money was never technically authorized by Congress.

00:27:33.000 What we did is we gave the administration a big clump of money.

00:27:39.000 And we allow them to set up these programs that we never authorized.

00:27:43.000 They actually set up extra departments, too, that we never authorized.

00:27:47.000 Every single one of those can come out through rescission.

00:27:51.000 So, Senator, I want to keep you from another segment here because this is, to your credit, very thoughtfully delivered and not just kind of the drive-by cable news thing.

00:28:01.000 I think people should subscribe to our podcast and re-listen to everything the senator has gone through here because this is really good meaty stuff.

00:28:09.000 So, what role then do the courts play in tying up some of the administration's actions when it comes to spending?

00:28:19.000 Because that's also an ingredient here.

00:28:21.000 So, the courts can't tie up anything that goes through the rescission.

00:28:25.000 Nothing.

00:28:25.000 Anything that is outside of rescission, technically they can, but it's tough for them to make the argument because most of the cuts are coming from...

00:28:33.000 Unappropriated funds because Congress, because we bundle, we don't do line-out of appropriations.

00:28:39.000 We bundle and give to these agencies.

00:28:42.000 Most of it can be said it's not directly been authorized or funded by government through appropriations.

00:28:52.000 And so what the courts are saying is it has been.

00:28:55.000 As it goes through the court system against the Supreme Court, you're going to see more and more of the lower courts being overturned by the Supreme Court because in the most cases, there's been one case they wasn't because it was actually appropriated.

00:29:10.000 Most of these other cases were not appropriated.

00:29:12.000 It was simply designed and put out by OBM by the Biden administration.

00:29:21.000 We're barreling towards a fiscal apocalypse.

00:29:24.000 This is a number to commit to memory.

00:29:26.000 You know this, Senator, but for the audience.

00:29:27.000 Every day, we are borrowing $2 billion to just pay for the interest on the debt.

00:29:35.000 $2 billion a day just go to interest payments.

00:29:39.000 $2 billion a day.

00:29:40.000 That's nearly $700 billion a year.

00:29:42.000 We're almost spending the same on our defense budget than on interest on our debt.

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00:30:52.000 Okay, everybody, welcome back.

00:30:54.000 I want to play this piece of tape here for Senator Mullen.

00:30:56.000 Let's play cut 146. I think the first thing is the debt issue.

00:31:01.000 We have a very severe supply-demand problem.

00:31:03.000 So we think there's debt, and some people think, oh, we'll handle it because we've handled it so far.

00:31:09.000 I don't think they understand the mechanics of debt.

00:31:12.000 But there's a supply-demand problem so that they have to sell a quantity of debt that the world is not going to want to buy.

00:31:21.000 And that's a set of circumstances that is imminent.

00:31:25.000 Okay, that's paramount importance.

00:31:28.000 The deficit must go from what will be projected now to be about 7.2% of GDP to about 3% of GDP. Otherwise, there will be a supply-demand problem.

00:31:45.000 Okay, that's a big deal.

00:31:47.000 Senator, is that possible?

00:31:49.000 Number one.

00:31:50.000 And number two, a more provocative question.

00:31:52.000 Are tax increases...

00:31:56.000 Tax increase is absolutely not.

00:31:58.000 Not on the table.

00:32:00.000 What was said is, is it theoretically possible?

00:32:04.000 Yes.

00:32:05.000 Is it something that we're going to be able to do?

00:32:09.000 Probably not.

00:32:10.000 The reason why we're in this debt is because it takes a whole lot of us to agree on what we're going to cut to get it passed.

00:32:17.000 And when you start cutting, you start paying attention to this, it starts affecting everybody's state.

00:32:22.000 I mean, right now what Doge is doing, I support a thousand percent, but I'm getting a ton of phone calls every single day because of things that are being cut and because it's federal employees.

00:32:35.000 I mean, the biggest implore we have in the United States is Federal government, right?

00:32:40.000 And you start talking, just generically speaking, 50% of everybody out there, half of everybody out there is either directly or indirectly financially benefiting from some type of federal program.

00:32:54.000 Now, you can say, well, I don't get any of those programs.

00:32:57.000 Well, your contract that your company is working on is paying your salary.

00:33:03.000 So you can keep going down the line.

00:33:04.000 It goes on.

00:33:05.000 So my point is that it's...

00:33:07.000 It is possible, but it's not likely.

00:33:10.000 Now, talking about taxes, we're going to send more money to Washington, D.C. by raising taxes?

00:33:15.000 Absolutely not.

00:33:17.000 We have...

00:33:18.000 Proven we can't spend the dollar wisely.

00:33:20.000 I know you know the scripture better than I do when you start talking about the talons and the servants that got five, four, right?

00:33:28.000 One guy went and buried it.

00:33:29.000 One guy spent it wisely.

00:33:32.000 We're the guy that buried it in Washington, D.C., and we're not spending it wisely, and it needs to be given back to the people who will spend it right.

00:33:39.000 We proved underneath President Trump that Reagan economics still work.

00:33:45.000 When President Trump cut taxes, they were talking about this $10 trillion deficit that he was going to add.

00:33:51.000 What we saw in the very first year was an actual increase into the Treasury Department.

00:33:58.000 We were actually on the path, if COVID wouldn't have happened, to actually have a balanced budget, which is why President Trump is pushing so hard to have a balanced budget.

00:34:08.000 There is no way, underneath the Republican Congress, being in the House and the Senate, we're going to raise taxes.

00:34:14.000 So, Senator, finally, what other little passion projects are you going to try to advocate to be put into this big bill?

00:34:21.000 The border, the taxes will get all the attention.

00:34:23.000 The way this works, though, is that there could be a lot of little wins.

00:34:26.000 For example, maybe a repeal of the Johnson Amendment.

00:34:29.000 I'd love to see that, which has been an anti-church amendment since Lyndon Baines Johnson.

00:34:33.000 What other little things will you be advocating for?

00:34:35.000 A minute remaining.

00:34:36.000 Well, you've got to remember, everything's got to go within the Byrd rule, and it's got to be directly related to...

00:34:46.000 We've got to be very careful that we don't blow up the whole bill by trying to put too much stuff into it.

00:34:53.000 We're going to have other opportunities as we move forward because we still have the disaster bill we've got to put into.

00:34:58.000 We've still got to be looking at trying to do immigration reform.

00:35:01.000 There's going to be opportunities for us to do this.

00:35:03.000 And then there's one thing that I have had the privilege of talking with Secretary Burgum about.

00:35:09.000 Is setting up this true sovereign wealth fund.

00:35:12.000 And this is stuff that can be put in this bill, by the way.

00:35:15.000 But the sovereign wealth fund that goes after the debt.

00:35:18.000 If we use the resources we have inside the United States, which we have more resources under our feet in the United States than any other country in the world, we just don't utilize it.

00:35:27.000 But we actually set up a sovereign wealth fund like a lot of these Middle East rich countries do.

00:35:32.000 And we, instead of us using it as a slush fund, but we use it specifically 100% to pay off the debt, we can see where we could get out of debt in your and I's lifetime.

00:35:45.000 It'll still be our kids carrying it, but there's an opportunity for us to get out of debt in our lifetime underneath President Trump setting it up for future Congresses if they don't screw it up.

00:35:54.000 But who knows?

00:35:55.000 They probably would.

00:35:56.000 Senator, thanks for the time.

00:35:57.000 Best of luck.

00:35:58.000 Excellent explanation.

00:35:59.000 Thank you.

00:36:00.000 Thanks, brother.

00:36:01.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:36:02.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - March 14, 2025

We Have a Border Again

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