The Charlie Kirk Show - 'We Live in Heroic Times' with Pastors Rick Brown and Rob McCoy

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00:00:58.000 Welcome to this special Sunday episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:00:58.000 Hey, everybody.

00:01:01.000 Super thrilled to be joined today with my pastor, Rob McCoy, and his pastor, Rick Brown.

00:01:07.000 Yeah, we're co-pastors.

00:01:08.000 Co-pastors.

00:01:09.000 Something like that.

00:01:09.000 God speaks.

00:01:10.000 Yeah.

00:01:10.000 That's right.

00:01:11.000 Great to have you guys on.

00:01:12.000 Rick, you're new to our audience, so please introduce yourself.

00:01:16.000 I'm Pastor Rick Brown.

00:01:17.000 I've been a pastor for 31 years, and I am hanging out with a very exciting Rob McCoy.

00:01:24.000 And because I've been hanging out with him, I am now, I guess, I'm not sure what to say.

00:01:29.000 Hanging out.

00:01:30.000 Yeah, I'm learning.

00:01:31.000 I'm learning a lot.

00:01:32.000 I'm growing from you.

00:01:33.000 And I'm just excited about being with you guys and what you guys are doing for our nation.

00:01:39.000 I mean, it's truly inspiring to guys.

00:01:41.000 So I know you might get a lot of shots.

00:01:44.000 So it's nice to get one little dink of encouragement.

00:01:49.000 You know, he was the atypical pastor in America where, you know, verse by verse, chapter by chapter, book by book teaching, solid Bible teacher, watched the church that he was responsible for grow to unbelievable proportions in Idaho and was really apolitical for the most part.

00:02:06.000 Personally, I was very political.

00:02:07.000 Personally, but I'm saying as a minister.

00:02:10.000 I was not political.

00:02:11.000 In our movement, we really learned to, hey, just leave politics out of the pulpit, tell people about Jesus.

00:02:18.000 And I very passionately pursued that course.

00:02:23.000 And I was in a conservative area, so I also didn't see the need.

00:02:27.000 Everywhere I looked, there.

00:02:29.000 And then I went to California and discovered socialism up close.

00:02:35.000 And it, I mean, I was slapped in the face.

00:02:38.000 And, well, Rob slapped me in the face.

00:02:40.000 The culture slapped me in the face.

00:02:41.000 I looked slapped.

00:02:43.000 Rob's kind of a pioneer of sorts.

00:02:45.000 He is.

00:02:46.000 Well, it was interesting how Rick and I would talk about stuff like that.

00:02:49.000 And he'd look at me.

00:02:50.000 He was very engaging and kind, but he's like, I ain't doing that.

00:02:53.000 And then when we kind of saw the writing on the wall, and then our careers have paralleled.

00:02:58.000 We trained into the same folks, but we've been in different places, but trained into the same people doing the same thing.

00:03:05.000 And then all of a sudden, Rick sees what I'm doing, and he has started the Kingdom X ministry where he does consulting because he's so good at what he does.

00:03:12.000 He's an organizer, unlike me, and administrator.

00:03:15.000 And then he started to realize the necessity of it and he's jumped in fully.

00:03:20.000 And I'm just so amazed.

00:03:22.000 I've been very inspired by Rob.

00:03:24.000 And 10 years ago, we were on a mission trip in Uganda and he challenged me about some political things.

00:03:29.000 Right.

00:03:29.000 Go figure.

00:03:30.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:03:31.000 Go figure.

00:03:32.000 And I just rolled my eyes and I'm like, Rob, you know, whatever.

00:03:36.000 And I just, he said, you're going to be like one of those other guys and just stick your head in the sand.

00:03:40.000 And I'm like, okay, that's me.

00:03:41.000 And let's go.

00:03:43.000 We were doing a pastor's conference.

00:03:44.000 Let's just focus on what we're doing.

00:03:45.000 I really, once again, I did not, the encouragement fell really for Rob, and I know it does for a lot of people on deaf ears because they didn't see the peril that we see now that is on the doorstep.

00:03:59.000 But Rob has been in this place for a very long time, engaging in his citizenship in a way that, honestly, now I'm ashamed of myself as a preacher in that sense.

00:04:09.000 I feel bad about that.

00:04:10.000 So, no, I mean, it's nothing on you.

00:04:12.000 I'm just, when you get a greater awareness of reality, truth is, you know, the truth hurts.

00:04:19.000 You know, the truth hurts.

00:04:20.000 Yeah.

00:04:21.000 So do you see more pastors starting to take notice of this?

00:04:26.000 Yeah.

00:04:27.000 We're seeing it not as quickly as we'd like, but, you know, you've got contending ideas.

00:04:34.000 You've got Russell Moore out there doing this stuff.

00:04:36.000 And then Gospel Coalition and, you know, being apolitical.

00:04:39.000 And even in the Calvary movement, the same thing.

00:04:42.000 And then over here, and it's, we haven't, we haven't organized, but people are being drawn to it because they're looking for answers because their congregants are looking for answers.

00:04:50.000 I mean, these are trying times where people need to know what's going on.

00:04:53.000 And we have to be prepared to do that.

00:04:55.000 Yeah.

00:04:55.000 Amen.

00:04:56.000 Yeah.

00:04:56.000 You've seen more pastors starting to stand up?

00:05:00.000 Well, I don't think that I'm speaking to groups of pastors in this season for the last, since all this started nine months ago as much as you guys are interfacing with them because of, but the one church I was really heavily involved with in San Jose is Mike McClure with the Calvary Chapel there, which I'm not sure.

00:05:18.000 He's under attack.

00:05:19.000 So I go there on Monday to spend a week with him and his team and then preach on Sunday.

00:05:25.000 He's facing a million dollars in fines.

00:05:26.000 Yeah, a million dollars in fines.

00:05:28.000 For remaining open.

00:05:29.000 Exactly.

00:05:29.000 And so this is the interesting thing.

00:05:31.000 I only started Kingdom X Leadership Consulting two years ago, Charlie, and I consulted most of 2019 with Mike McClure.

00:05:41.000 And then I started 2020 with Rob McCoy.

00:05:44.000 And the only two guys I consulted with are the tip of the spear to make a stand.

00:05:49.000 Go figure.

00:05:50.000 You picked the right guys.

00:05:51.000 I picked, that's it.

00:05:52.000 You know, you picked the right guys.

00:05:53.000 And so what a blessing.

00:05:54.000 Yeah.

00:05:55.000 Amen.

00:05:56.000 It's been a great blessing.

00:05:57.000 And Mike's really under attack right now.

00:05:59.000 He is.

00:05:59.000 And, you know, to his credit, I mean, I'm in Southern California.

00:06:02.000 I've got a sheriff that won't enforce the restraining order upon our church.

00:06:09.000 So we're in a little bit better position.

00:06:10.000 We're still getting fined, but Mike's up in the Santa Clara area, big tech, and very liberal.

00:06:17.000 And they are just dumping on him.

00:06:20.000 I mean, a million dollars in fines remaining open.

00:06:23.000 It's just unconscionable.

00:06:25.000 So it's sad.

00:06:27.000 We need to really help him and support him.

00:06:29.000 It's been a little bit of a busy news week, which is, to say the least.

00:06:33.000 I actually want to get into that.

00:06:34.000 Rick, you were there.

00:06:35.000 I was there.

00:06:36.000 Walk us through it.

00:06:37.000 Boots on the ground.

00:06:38.000 Speaking of D.C.

00:06:39.000 Yeah.

00:06:40.000 And so I went, I arrived to spend time with the incomparable Congressman Bob McEwen and his lovely wife, Liz, and to going from then, because I'm really on this fast track, Charlie, to absorb.

00:06:57.000 I'm very solid, obviously, after 31 years in my Christian walk, my Bible biblical understanding, but I'm being baptized into this.

00:07:06.000 So I wanted to spend those three days, and I thought it's a historic time for the nation.

00:07:11.000 I was so impressed you were there.

00:07:13.000 So I wanted to be there, boots on the ground, to spend time with Bob and Liz.

00:07:13.000 Yeah.

00:07:17.000 Then I wanted to go in the day before, scope things out for the big rally on Tuesday.

00:07:23.000 So on Monday, there's the pre-rally.

00:07:24.000 I didn't even know there was a pre-rally.

00:07:26.000 So I showed up for the pre-rally at Freedom Plaza in D.C. and engage with people, ask people questions, seeing people from all different walks of life.

00:07:36.000 And there was a worship thing going on there.

00:07:38.000 Oh, there's a worship.

00:07:39.000 I was sending videos of that to Rob and Michelle.

00:07:43.000 And then in the morning, they were going to open the gates at Ellipsis Park at 7 a.m.

00:07:48.000 But the only thing I knew on the schedule, because it went together so fast, there really wasn't a schedule for the speaking.

00:07:54.000 So I heard an interview that Eric Trump was going to be on at 10 and his father was going to be on at 11.

00:08:01.000 I said, okay, as long as I know the president's going to be on at 11, but how many people are going to come?

00:08:07.000 We have no idea.

00:08:08.000 So I thought, I'm going to get on the train because we're 30 minutes outside of town.

00:08:12.000 I'm going to ride the train to Union Station, get off the train at 6.30 and be there by 7.

00:08:18.000 I mean, I'm going to be there at the PC.

00:08:20.000 Easy, right?

00:08:22.000 I get there.

00:08:23.000 I don't know if people camp there, but when I showed up at dark, thousands, really, thousands in lines, long lines, lining up to get into the park.

00:08:33.000 I'm like, how early did I need to get up, right, to make it into the park?

00:08:36.000 Anyway, fast forward, the park fills up.

00:08:39.000 We're shoulder to shoulder.

00:08:41.000 And the person to my right is coming from this perspective.

00:08:44.000 The person from my left is coming from this perspective.

00:08:47.000 The person in front of me is a believer.

00:08:51.000 It was such a eclectic crowd, all passionate about liberty.

00:08:58.000 And it was peaceful.

00:08:58.000 Amen.

00:08:59.000 I mean, people had their children on their shoulders.

00:09:02.000 There was nothing in it that would even indicate that there was anything that would incite.

00:09:09.000 Yeah.

00:09:10.000 And the part that got me is he just felt compelled.

00:09:13.000 I think, because every time I thought about going to D.C. and I wanted to go, but then you asked me to come out here to help you with the Georgia Returns.

00:09:18.000 Which was great.

00:09:19.000 Yeah.

00:09:19.000 And I was thankful for it.

00:09:21.000 But I honestly didn't have a peace about going to D.C.

00:09:23.000 I thought, well, Rick's there.

00:09:23.000 And I was glad.

00:09:24.000 He's covering for the church and there's going to be some congregants out there.

00:09:27.000 So he's out there.

00:09:28.000 I'll come to Phoenix and be with you, Charlie.

00:09:28.000 He's got that.

00:09:30.000 But then Rick felt compelled to kind of walk away from it.

00:09:34.000 And then that's when you heard that the Capitol had been breached.

00:09:37.000 And it just, everyone that you were with, as you were telling me, none of them had any inclination.

00:09:42.000 They were all just shocked by that.

00:09:44.000 Totally.

00:09:44.000 Yeah.

00:09:45.000 We marched back and we're going back to the Capitol.

00:09:49.000 And we were just going to arrive because everything was unfolding, right?

00:09:53.000 The Electoral College is going to be counted.

00:09:55.000 And we just wanted to show in a peaceful way our presence and our voice.

00:10:01.000 And people were gathered up on the steps.

00:10:04.000 And I had been up very early and slept about three hours a night for the last three nights.

00:10:10.000 So I thought, I'm just going to, it's been a great time.

00:10:14.000 I'm exiting and I was parallel to the Capitol.

00:10:18.000 And some people next to me, their phone dinged, and they got the news.

00:10:22.000 Hey, somebody's trying to breach the, and I looked over at the building and all I could see is all the people on the steps.

00:10:28.000 Are you serious?

00:10:29.000 Wow.

00:10:29.000 Yeah.

00:10:30.000 And so I was just parallel and I'm like, I'm getting out of Dodge before everything breaks loose.

00:10:35.000 So I headed to the Union station and they wouldn't put anything up on the reader board for the schedule.

00:10:42.000 And I asked some officer there, hey, are they going to put this up?

00:10:45.000 And everybody really didn't know what was going on.

00:10:48.000 So I finally went down to a platform and there was a conductor actually out on the platform.

00:10:53.000 And he said, I don't know what's going on, but no trains are going anywhere for the next little while.

00:10:58.000 So they shut down Union Station because of things happening.

00:11:01.000 I'm sure they have a pretty fast protocol or something.

00:11:01.000 Yeah.

00:11:04.000 Yeah.

00:11:04.000 So I got an Uber and got out of Dodge before everything fell apart.

00:11:09.000 Sirens, cops everywhere.

00:11:10.000 Wow.

00:11:11.000 Charlie, sitting with you on a few of the previous broadcasts and watching how you're wisely navigating through just this deluge of information and videos and narratives and people trying to push it in one direction or the next.

00:11:27.000 But you're pursuing bringing clarity to what we're facing as a nation.

00:11:33.000 I read to you the other night.

00:11:34.000 I don't know if you wanted me to do it, but as a pastor contending with another pastor, and the two of us love the Lord.

00:11:41.000 We believe the Bible to be the inerrant word of God.

00:11:44.000 He's my friend and has been my friend.

00:11:45.000 And I love this man.

00:11:48.000 We're from different political positions.

00:11:51.000 Our skin color is different.

00:11:52.000 He contains more melanin than I do.

00:11:55.000 And we have been friends that have pushed each other lovingly and have always publicly been together, unified.

00:12:05.000 He texted me and he says, Was this okay with you?

00:12:08.000 I'm angry with exclamation points, meaning what had occurred at the Capitol.

00:12:12.000 And I said, No.

00:12:14.000 He said, I'm really upset.

00:12:16.000 And then my comment was, just like BLM, peaceful people marching for the right reasons.

00:12:22.000 Antifa and some others, Antifa incites rioting and the weak join in.

00:12:28.000 They want us to fight against each other.

00:12:31.000 And he says, no comparison.

00:12:33.000 I said, our folks were there on the ground as were our pastors.

00:12:38.000 He said, nothing to do with you or God speak.

00:12:40.000 This interrupts democracy with lies.

00:12:42.000 I said, this is contrary to our live footage, first-hand accounts.

00:12:45.000 Anger is what they want.

00:12:47.000 So if that is the response, we lose.

00:12:51.000 He said, it's painful, Rob.

00:12:52.000 I said, yes.

00:12:54.000 He said, this was not Antifa, Trump supporters.

00:12:56.000 It was not all peaceful, sad.

00:12:58.000 And then I responded.

00:13:00.000 And this is what we're dealing with as pastors as a nation.

00:13:03.000 I said, six months ago, six months ago, the Capitol BLM riots killed 30 people and billions of dollars in damage.

00:13:13.000 I never once sent you a text or even considered blaming you or holding you responsible.

00:13:18.000 The one death we've been informed of is that of an unarmed California woman who was a 14-year Air Force veteran.

00:13:24.000 I don't have the details on the other deaths.

00:13:26.000 I've stood by you even when I have disagreed with you and have never blamed you for anything ever.

00:13:32.000 I have never expressed anger or malice to you.

00:13:35.000 I'm not your enemy.

00:13:36.000 I never have been.

00:13:37.000 I will always, I have always been and will remain your friend.

00:13:40.000 And then I said, and this is where I want folks to hear.

00:13:46.000 I said, I do not condone, support, agree, nor believe the violence and destruction is acceptable, justified, correct, nor should it be tolerated.

00:13:55.000 No one I know, affiliate with, or follow, to the best of my knowledge, had anything to do with it.

00:14:03.000 It is wrong and did nothing to serve my beliefs or purposes of what I stand for and contend for.

00:14:08.000 To affiliate, connect me, or those who stand with me to this horror is what hurts most.

00:14:13.000 He says, I don't connect you with this.

00:14:15.000 I'm discussing this with you, my friend.

00:14:17.000 And that comforted me.

00:14:19.000 I'm almost done.

00:14:20.000 I said, I do not apologize for my immutable, God-given trait, nor do I apologize for the depraved, evil behavior and actions of those who participated in yesterday's horror, even if they possess my immutable trait, meaning my color of my skin.

00:14:37.000 I'm not them, and we are not all the same.

00:14:40.000 I am a child of the king, and I will stand upon my character and honesty formulated in my life by God's word, which was the connection at our beginning for our friendship and has been the glue that has kept us united.

00:14:51.000 I love you and I always will.

00:14:52.000 And he said, right back at you.

00:14:54.000 So we're having to navigate through this.

00:14:58.000 He has a different approach and a different worldview.

00:15:01.000 He sees these things.

00:15:01.000 He's hurt.

00:15:02.000 It's feeding his narrative.

00:15:04.000 And it's so easy for us at those times to feed our narratives.

00:15:06.000 Let's talk about the narrative that they think this is feeding.

00:15:09.000 Right.

00:15:09.000 So what do they see when they look at that?

00:15:09.000 Yeah.

00:15:12.000 All Trump followers are racist. 0.92

00:15:14.000 Yeah, they see what they have been warned about, I think, incorrectly, but it's confirmation bias of this pent-up narrative of that President Trump is worse than just his policies. 0.97

00:15:30.000 He's worse than just his remarks.

00:15:32.000 He has created a violent movement of mostly white people that are going to storm federal buildings and kind of do a Timothy McVeigh. 0.83

00:15:44.000 Yeah. 0.59

00:15:44.000 Because they've been saying that out loud. 0.59

00:15:46.000 Yeah, sure.

00:15:47.000 Yeah. 0.91

00:15:47.000 And I think there's obviously those ultra-right wing people that are of that element. 0.91

00:15:54.000 And like I said, there was a very eclectic crowd there to support Trump.

00:15:58.000 And listening to the president's speech, there was nothing in it.

00:16:02.000 If anything, you listened to it, it was nothing about violence.

00:16:06.000 It was basically about letting your peaceful protest, let your voice be known to deal with this election fraud.

00:16:13.000 And then just to sort that out.

00:16:16.000 But we had worship songs.

00:16:18.000 We all prayed together the Lord's Prayer.

00:16:20.000 And then there were people in the crowd that were chanting, you know, F and Tifa.

00:16:26.000 And there's a different element as well.

00:16:28.000 So those are all extremes.

00:16:30.000 And I think it's, there's no nuanced wisdom that, you know, just because you love liberty or you support Trump doesn't mean you all have the same character or you're coming from the same perspective.

00:16:42.000 Right.

00:16:43.000 It's very naive.

00:16:44.000 Charlie, you and Isabel brilliantly pointed out that if we don't have a shared history, we don't have a shared nation.

00:16:51.000 And the 1619 project, which is trying to pit us against each other by immutable traits, we share that history as ugly as it is, but we have to be honest about that history.

00:17:00.000 We can't rewrite it to the way it fits our narrative.

00:17:03.000 We have to look at original sources and go to that point.

00:17:06.000 And the attempt to try to divide us by rewriting a history that didn't exist and has been debunked is very problematic.

00:17:15.000 Because if that's what's going to happen in this nation and we don't have a shared history with the good and the bad, we have to really look at it, but we have to look at it honestly, not rewrite it.

00:17:27.000 And that, for me, when you said that as a history major, I was moved.

00:17:34.000 And I'm thinking to myself, doggone it, he's 28.

00:17:36.000 It just irritates me.

00:17:38.000 That's 27.

00:17:40.000 I'll be 28 this year.

00:17:41.000 No, I thought you had a birthday.

00:17:42.000 You went 27, 28.

00:17:44.000 Let me think about this how old am I.

00:17:45.000 I was born in 93, so I'm 27.

00:17:47.000 I get it confused.

00:17:47.000 Okay.

00:17:49.000 People call me 28 when I'm 27.

00:17:51.000 They called me 27 when I was 26.

00:17:52.000 Okay, so you're 27.

00:17:53.000 I'm 27.

00:17:53.000 I'm 56, dude.

00:17:56.000 So my point still holds.

00:17:58.000 So, Rick, you say that we need some nuanced wisdom.

00:18:01.000 Give us some of that.

00:18:02.000 Yeah, the nuanced wisdom is simply just because somebody is supportive of a president, there were people to my right that thought if this doesn't get worked out and the voter fraud is not challenged, there was a person to my right that had a very militant, this is going to a civil war.

00:18:20.000 He was talking about a physical civil war, not a civil war of ideas, not of dialogue, not of open dialogue with peaceful protest.

00:18:29.000 You know, the guy to my right was more militant.

00:18:32.000 And some people to my left were more peaceful and praying for the president and wanting to support. 0.97

00:18:39.000 And I just think it's to me, and not to state it too strongly, that it's really moronic to me to not have the wisdom.

00:18:47.000 Being a pastor for 31 years and hearing so many people's different perspectives and their character, is that life, it doesn't matter what color you are or what language you speak or any of those things.

00:18:58.000 It's about who you are and what you stand for.

00:19:01.000 And the majority, and I don't know what the percentages are, but the majority of the people that were there all wanted to exercise for their First Amendment rights.

00:19:13.000 And that is to peacefully assemble.

00:19:17.000 And that's what we were doing.

00:19:18.000 And so there's a lot of other people in the crowd.

00:19:21.000 Charlie, you had one of, you were answering the emails, and the question came from the 15-year-old young black man.

00:19:28.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:19:30.000 And he was moving towards conservative principles, actually to embrace them to the consternation of his father and saying he's betraying his race.

00:19:38.000 That's right.

00:19:39.000 And I had to step out, but my thought was he was, and you were talking about the Republican Party.

00:19:46.000 The thing that occurred to me is parties are platforms.

00:19:49.000 They're neither moral nor immoral.

00:19:51.000 They're amoral.

00:19:52.000 They're only as strong as the people that participate in them, and you gather ideas.

00:19:56.000 I would say the Republican Party is more accessible for people of diverse ideas.

00:20:01.000 But the party's only going to be as strong as the infusion of those who have wisdom.

00:20:07.000 And I was thinking of that young man at 15 years of age.

00:20:11.000 If he participates in this process and has access, he can design this party and make the tent stakes as wide as possible.

00:20:20.000 But what we're seeing from the opposition is to completely erase an entire party, make it a one-party system.

00:20:26.000 That's right.

00:20:26.000 And put everyone who holds conservative views on trial.

00:20:31.000 And that's dangerous.

00:20:32.000 Why would you need freedom of speech if everyone agrees with you?

00:20:34.000 Exactly.

00:20:35.000 Why would you need First Amendment protections if everyone's in agreement?

00:20:38.000 Because they've eliminated everyone else.

00:20:40.000 Yeah, they have a club of uniformity or conformity.

00:20:43.000 Conform to our ideas, or we will censor you, we will cut you off.

00:20:47.000 And that's not what we're all about as an issue.

00:20:49.000 It's not diversity, there's conformity.

00:20:50.000 Yes.

00:20:51.000 And in your phenomenal presentation of critical race theory, they really don't want us to critically think.

00:21:01.000 Well, it's part of it.

00:21:01.000 No.

00:21:03.000 Yeah, and look, actually, the interview we have with James Lindsay, we still have to put up on YouTube from Florida, which was great.

00:21:10.000 We put it up on our podcast feed.

00:21:11.000 That guy's brilliant.

00:21:12.000 Yeah, he's phenomenal.

00:21:14.000 Love that guy.

00:21:15.000 The issue that I find with kind of where this is currently headed and the labeling.

00:21:24.000 You think about the statement, you're betraying your own race, right?

00:21:29.000 So you think about that.

00:21:30.000 Well, that's actually very, it's a very interesting statement because it actually baked into that assumption is that your race and your ideology actually must be intertwined together, which is, by definition, a highly racist thing to believe.

00:21:45.000 It is, right?

00:21:46.000 Absolutely.

00:21:46.000 And so to say ever to anyone, could you imagine if I said to you, Rob, that you were betraying your race because you believed something?

00:21:55.000 You would be like, oh my goodness, you're completely racist. 0.79

00:21:58.000 And that would be a racist thing to say, right? 0.92

00:22:00.000 It would be.

00:22:01.000 And then to add that with Western culture, which is influenced by the scriptures themselves, to attribute that completely to those who don't possess a certain amount of melanin, that couldn't be more detrimental to mankind.

00:22:19.000 Think about this.

00:22:21.000 There are millions of believers in Africa, Christian believers in Africa.

00:22:27.000 They didn't receive Christianity from missionaries.

00:22:30.000 Christianity entered Africa from the Ethiopian eunuch that Philip led to the Lord when he went back for Candace's entourage.

00:22:40.000 And Christianity was in Africa before it got to Europe for the most part.

00:22:45.000 And here, it's a series of teachings that is promising to all mankind in the beauty of the Imago Day, regardless of the tapestry, where you fit in that tapestry.

00:22:59.000 It sets all mankind free. 0.76

00:23:01.000 But for those who want to oppress us, they need to attribute Christianity that I've come to set the captives free and label it to an immutable trait of whiteness.

00:23:10.000 That's right.

00:23:11.000 And that is the way that you are going to wipe out Christianity. 0.99

00:23:15.000 Can I have a simple PS? 0.97

00:23:18.000 I said things were shut down at Union Station.

00:23:21.000 I got an Uber, and this is kind of the junk position of all of this.

00:23:26.000 Sirens everywhere, whoever the radicals were that breached the Capitol, nothing that we support in this room.

00:23:35.000 And yet I'm getting an Uber because I realize just logistically, I'm 30 minutes outside of town, and I've got to get transportation.

00:23:43.000 And so the guy shows up and his name's Kofi.

00:23:46.000 Hey, Kofi, if you're listening, give you a little shout out.

00:23:49.000 Thanks, man.

00:23:50.000 Kofi was from Ghana. 0.55

00:23:52.000 And so here's a black Uber driver from Ghana.

00:23:56.000 And he doesn't know what's going on, right?

00:23:59.000 Because it was happening literally minutes.

00:24:02.000 And his wife's calling him on the phone.

00:24:04.000 Hey, there's this special alert.

00:24:05.000 What's breaking news?

00:24:06.000 What's happening?

00:24:08.000 Anyway, I go out on a limb.

00:24:09.000 Here's Kofi, a black guy, strong accent.

00:24:13.000 And I ask him when he immigrated to the United States.

00:24:16.000 It was 40, he's been in the States 41 years.

00:24:18.000 Wow.

00:24:19.000 And I asked Kofi, Kofi, I just want to ask you, I'm hearing so much rhetoric about how awful America is.

00:24:19.000 Okay.

00:24:30.000 And you've immigrated.

00:24:32.000 You made the trip to immigrate to this.

00:24:34.000 I said, as a black man, an Uber driver, right?

00:24:37.000 He's just a working class guy like myself coming from that place.

00:24:41.000 And I said, is America as bad as everybody's saying it is, Kofi?

00:24:45.000 He pauses because he wants to process it.

00:24:48.000 He goes, absolutely not.

00:24:50.000 You know, I mean, that's not his accent.

00:24:52.000 I'm terrible with accents.

00:24:53.000 Rob's great with accents.

00:24:54.000 Anyway, he says, no, it's not.

00:24:56.000 He said, America is wonderful.

00:24:58.000 And he said, honestly, until COVID hit, he said, the only reason America is bad right now is because of COVID.

00:25:06.000 And I went out on another limb, said, hey, Kofi, I'm a Christian.

00:25:12.000 And he said, well, I'm an elder at my Pentecostal church.

00:25:15.000 And him and I start fellowshipping going down the road.

00:25:18.000 And him and I had more in common in relationship.

00:25:22.000 Forget the melanin in our skin.

00:25:24.000 Forget the different country background. 0.61

00:25:26.000 Forget his accent.

00:25:28.000 We had more in common than I have with 10 other white people. 0.98

00:25:34.000 I mean, to me, it makes no sense. 0.78

00:25:37.000 There's no nuanced wisdom.

00:25:38.000 It's this blanketing conformity, and it's lost.

00:25:41.000 It's taking over the country.

00:25:42.000 It's taking over the country.

00:25:43.000 And we're bludgeoned into submitting or shutting up.

00:25:47.000 The West is a very short experiment.

00:25:50.000 We take it so for granted.

00:25:51.000 Our kids aren't taught what it even means.

00:25:53.000 And we are now regressing while we have technology, which only makes the regression quicker.

00:26:00.000 So we feel like we're progressing, but actually just makes the regression easier.

00:26:04.000 You think about it's easier than ever to spread really, really bad ideas to a lot of people because of the cyborg age, which I call it the human age ended as soon as these pieces of hardware.

00:26:15.000 We're just looking down and walking around.

00:26:17.000 I've been checking it.

00:26:17.000 But look, you have it.

00:26:18.000 You have it, right?

00:26:19.000 So we're no longer human beings for all intents and purposes.

00:26:22.000 We're cyborgs.

00:26:23.000 And that's where I think that you made a point at dinner yesterday where Congressman Bob McEwen's been around 70 years.

00:26:30.000 And he says, I've never lived through anything like this.

00:26:32.000 I'm like, I wouldn't expect you to have.

00:26:34.000 Because there's almost been a birth of a new, you know, like a quantum human in 2010.

00:26:39.000 It's exponential.

00:26:41.000 Yeah, where everything gets amplified, right?

00:26:43.000 Where it's all captured in real time.

00:26:45.000 But think about it.

00:26:46.000 What happened on Wednesday, if that would have happened in 1910, there might have been some still photographs of it, a couple eyewitnesses.

00:26:54.000 That would have happened in 1950.

00:26:56.000 There would have been some audio and some black and white footage.

00:26:59.000 1970, it would have made the nightly news, but happened in today.

00:27:03.000 Everyone had it watching it real time.

00:27:05.000 And then the worst clips of it get cut, reinforced, and spread.

00:27:08.000 Any dissension gets silenced.

00:27:10.000 So all of a sudden, it's designed to fit a super narrative, right?

00:27:14.000 To have people react in a very certain way.

00:27:17.000 That is not a way that we as human beings are built to process information.

00:27:22.000 But to both your point, the students of our country and pastors that are embracing this critical race theory nonsense, it really is the, it's not just unbiblical.

00:27:35.000 It is, it's anti-biblical.

00:27:37.000 It's the antithesis of what the Bible teaches.

00:27:39.000 That's right.

00:27:40.000 which is that life is nothing more than a power struggle.

00:27:44.000 Life is nothing more than a sequence of random events that you have no such power into.

00:27:49.000 And the great evangelist of this thinking, which I encourage all pastors to really become well aware of, and any pastors out there, please read his writings is Friedrich Nietzsche.

00:28:00.000 You have to know what this guy believed because he's kind of the Saint Paul, if you will, or Saint Peter is probably a better way to put it.

00:28:09.000 He's the first pope of the atheist church of America where he proclaimed in his writings, God is dead.

00:28:16.000 He wrote very simply.

00:28:17.000 He also came up with the phrase, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, which is unrelated to his theistic teachings, but he was the most outspoken anti-Christian writer.

00:28:28.000 And he, more than almost any other writer, influenced the rise of the National Socialist Workers' Party in Germany and also with it, Hegelian Marxism that came into the Soviet Union.

00:28:40.000 He gave a license to atheism.

00:28:43.000 He was, it's interesting, the German front line in World War I, over 600,000 copies of Friedrich Nietzsche were distributed to the front-run soldiers.

00:28:55.000 And then all of a sudden you wonder why they were so open to this ideology post-World War I. When you see the way it's infiltrated the church, and Rick, you can speak to this.

00:29:09.000 It says, and depending on someone's eschatology, study the end times.

00:29:12.000 They say that even in the end, the elect will be deceived.

00:29:16.000 And when I say that, they're deceived by the black tile.

00:29:19.000 But even further, as you and I can testify to, these folks that consider themselves conservatives, church-going folks, they're deceived by the Lynn Wood, all the narratives that are just crazy out there.

00:29:32.000 And making them run after stuff that just distracts them and frightens them and pits them against someone else when really we have what we need in front of us and we need to pursue that and endeavor to keep the union of the spirit and the bond of peace and let people know who they are in the Imago Day, but deceiving even the elect.

00:29:49.000 You want to speak to that?

00:29:50.000 Yeah, I think that's, as Charlie was saying, it's all exponential.

00:29:55.000 And I think that's the thing that is startling to us, the exponential decrease in whether it's the narrative of propaganda. 0.91

00:30:05.000 I mean, this machine that's happening here is exactly what they do in China. 0.81

00:30:10.000 Right. 1.00

00:30:10.000 And it's, you squish all dissent or in Islam. 1.00

00:30:15.000 I mean, they squish all dissent. 1.00

00:30:17.000 That's right.

00:30:18.000 And that's not what Western civilization, which is built on, for those who haven't really studied it, it's from a spiritual reality and then the Athenian reason and logic.

00:30:30.000 And you marry those two things together because we have this, we are fearfully and wonderfully made.

00:30:36.000 We have this creator mentality mixed with what the biblical truth and then reason and logic.

00:30:44.000 That's exactly right.

00:30:44.000 We're not unreasonable.

00:30:45.000 We're not.

00:30:46.000 We're logical.

00:30:47.000 But so much of this is, if you try to reason and logic with people, it's like there's deadness to it.

00:30:55.000 And it's emotion and passion.

00:30:57.000 Yes.

00:30:58.000 And it's also because the postmodernists and Nietzsche really kind of started this.

00:31:04.000 They are taught to believe that logic and reason are nothing more than mirages and aberrations to advance a Western phallo logo-centric power struggle, which phallo meaning man, logo meaning of the logic, centric, that it's eccentric.

00:31:19.000 So the men dominate everything through the patriarchy.

00:31:22.000 And that is literally a term they use.

00:31:24.000 And I'm not tuned into, I mean, I haven't had my finger on the pulse of this decline politically from your vantage point, either one of you.

00:31:34.000 For me, all the narrative and their rhetoric, just from a just call myself a novice to this whole experience, it's victimization.

00:31:43.000 Yeah, it everybody's a victim.

00:31:45.000 Everybody's, and it's to keep people in this, they convince them they're a victim, they want to keep them a victim, and they motivate them to violence or whatever it takes to overthrow those who have victimized them.

00:31:58.000 That's right.

00:31:59.000 And it's the exact opposite of Western thought of Christianity, filled with faith, hope, and love.

00:32:04.000 You're more than a conqueror.

00:32:05.000 You're more than a conqueror.

00:32:07.000 You can get up and work hard, and you're going to accomplish something.

00:32:10.000 Right.

00:32:11.000 So, David Engelhardt, Pastor David.

00:32:15.000 He's terrific.

00:32:15.000 He is great.

00:32:16.000 I preach this on Sunday and I took it from David, but it was a quote that he had posted, and I loved it.

00:32:21.000 He says, The purpose of propaganda is not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate.

00:32:28.000 And therefore, the less it corresponds to reality, the better.

00:32:31.000 When people are forced to remain silent, when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse, when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all all their sense of probity, which means moral conviction.

00:32:44.000 To assent to obvious lies is to cooperate with evil and in some small way to become evil oneself.

00:32:52.000 One standing to resist anything is thus eroded and even destroyed. 0.73

00:32:57.000 A society of emasculated liars is easy to control.

00:33:02.000 I thought it was such a brilliant quote.

00:33:04.000 It's great.

00:33:05.000 And we're not only being told lies that we're being forced to believe, but from the left, we're being told lies from the right.

00:33:13.000 That's right.

00:33:14.000 Well, and I think that this has played a huge role in just a lot of the nonsense in Georgia.

00:33:14.000 Yeah.

00:33:21.000 I mean, I got a text from one of our friends who said, Charlie, even if we all would have showed up in Georgia, it wouldn't have mattered.

00:33:27.000 And that's a really dangerous way to think that human action, no matter what.

00:33:33.000 I mean, I'm not going to say who it is.

00:33:36.000 He's a great guy, and I'll reconcile with it privately with him.

00:33:39.000 But I think it's actually a dangerous thing to believe that you ultimately would know what your human action would have resulted in.

00:33:48.000 I'm of the opinion that you know more surely because you didn't show up than you know than you could say very cleanly, you know, very clearly and cleanly.

00:33:58.000 But some people have that have really, I think, been infected like a parasite with hopium.

00:34:04.000 Yeah.

00:34:04.000 And I deal with this every day.

00:34:06.000 And so what I see in getting on the airplane with most of the people coming from the rally when I flew out of DC at six o'clock the next morning, and here's all these people, and they overhear all the buzz around me.

00:34:24.000 That fatalistic idea is that it wouldn't have mattered how many of us went, just give up.

00:34:30.000 And I heard, which I've heard a lot, and it is true from my heart.

00:34:35.000 I'm a father and a grandfather.

00:34:37.000 I want to be passionate in this season of my life with the breath I have left to see the Republic saved for my children and my grandchildren.

00:34:46.000 But what I heard behind me is somebody saying, I have, they were so devastated and defeated.

00:34:52.000 I have children and grandchildren, and now what are we going to do?

00:34:56.000 And I can just give a word of encouragement to anybody that's listening in this regard from a Christian worldview.

00:35:07.000 Why even have kids in this season?

00:35:08.000 I can't believe this is happening with our kids.

00:35:10.000 And this is my mindset.

00:35:13.000 Are you really a student of the Bible?

00:35:15.000 Every child that made the difference in the world was born in troublesome times.

00:35:20.000 Imagine you have to throw your child in the Nile like Moses' parents.

00:35:24.000 They put him in a boat in the Nile.

00:35:26.000 They did his clothes, you know, they did put him in the Nile. 0.76

00:35:29.000 But you got this ogre, Pharaoh, making them throw their children into the Nile River, and the crocs are eating them for appetizers. 0.66

00:35:36.000 And that's going on. 0.96

00:35:38.000 And Moses rises up.

00:35:40.000 And then you have a Joseph who, as a 17-year-old kid, ends up a slave in a brothers.

00:35:47.000 Betrayed by his brothers.

00:35:48.000 And if Joseph would have pulled the, if anybody in all the Bible could pull a victim card.

00:35:53.000 It's Joseph.

00:35:53.000 Joseph.

00:35:54.000 Throw him in a pit, sell him into slavery. 0.98

00:35:56.000 Then he gets a good gig for a job with at least a decent owner. 0.99

00:36:00.000 And then the wife lies about him.

00:36:03.000 He is the victim at every turn.

00:36:04.000 Then he gets thrown in jail and he interprets two guys' dreams, the butler and the baker.

00:36:10.000 He interprets their dreams, and they forget about him.

00:36:12.000 The only thing you ask of him, hey, I'm going to interpret your dreams, but would you tell Pharaoh about me?

00:36:16.000 Right?

00:36:17.000 If anybody, that's why he's a hero for everybody that would have been.

00:36:21.000 That's a good word, Rick.

00:36:22.000 And I think of David.

00:36:24.000 He's born in the times of the Philistines. 0.95

00:36:26.000 Who wants to bring their kids into the world when you got a giant almost 10 foot tall, everybody's shaking in their boots? 0.98

00:36:33.000 Well, let me just tell everybody, I am more stoked to live in this period of time than at any time in my entire life.

00:36:43.000 This is heroic times that inspire people to action, not apathy, not any of those things.

00:36:52.000 And whether it's Daniel being hauled off as a prisoner of war to serve under the cruel tyrant of Nebuchadnezzar, or even Joseph and Mary bringing the savior of the world into the world, and Herod says, go kill those children under the age of two years of age.

00:37:09.000 And they have to be on the run. 0.73

00:37:12.000 I mean, if you are really a conservative, biblical-oriented Christian, you're like, man, let's have a dozen kids and change the world.

00:37:20.000 I mean, that's anyone who starts to complain or play the victim.

00:37:24.000 Job's a great example.

00:37:25.000 God basically is like, are you done yet?

00:37:27.000 Who is this who darkens my counsel with words and without knowledge?

00:37:31.000 You finished.

00:37:33.000 The Bible is a phenomenal book.

00:37:36.000 What makes the Bible such a different religious text than anything else is that it talks so poorly about its protagonist, which is the people of Israel, right? 0.87

00:37:45.000 They're always screwing up, which is who would write poorly about themselves? 0.96

00:37:48.000 And he still loves them and pursues them.

00:37:51.000 That's right.

00:37:52.000 Self-deprecation.

00:37:53.000 That's right.

00:37:54.000 But also, it's a constant struggle of overcoming adversity and to not just lay down and completely and totally give up, which is the human norm is to experience that level of adversity and struggle.

00:38:07.000 Last night, just to clear my head, I turned on Band of Brothers.

00:38:11.000 It's a great film.

00:38:12.000 Great film.

00:38:12.000 Well, TV series, right?

00:38:14.000 TV series.

00:38:15.000 And I'm looking at Major Winters, who is the one that lived.

00:38:19.000 He died just a few years ago, but an amazing leader of men.

00:38:24.000 And he said on D-Day after it had concluded and they had, you know, he'd seen so much horror.

00:38:30.000 He said, I made a commitment to myself.

00:38:32.000 And he's reciting it.

00:38:33.000 This is verbatim.

00:38:34.000 He said, I made a commitment to myself that if I were to survive this war, I'm going to go find a big plot of land and forever live in peace.

00:38:42.000 And I think what we want is peace.

00:38:45.000 But he earned it because he contended with evil to bring about that peace.

00:38:49.000 And he had the right to enjoy it.

00:38:51.000 We've enjoyed peace without having to fight for it.

00:38:53.000 And we haven't.

00:38:54.000 And we haven't been vigilant.

00:38:56.000 And now our children are being thrust into conflict.

00:38:59.000 And we want to say, oh, it's going to hell in a handbag.

00:39:02.000 I mean, it's worth contending for.

00:39:06.000 And these kids are going to be grown in adversity, ready to do that.

00:39:08.000 And most of the folks that fought in World War II went through the Great Depression.

00:39:14.000 They understood heartache.

00:39:16.000 They saw socialism on the rise.

00:39:18.000 They saw people starving.

00:39:20.000 I'm excited for my kids.

00:39:21.000 My son, Michael.

00:39:23.000 My son, Daniel.

00:39:24.000 I mean, they're looking at that going, dad, man, this is, but they're processing it.

00:39:28.000 And you're going to say that with your statement of we might as well give up, they have more hope than to listen to Greta Thunberg.

00:39:34.000 Because at least if we stop, you know, using anything that has a fossil fuel, maybe the world will live.

00:39:41.000 Where's your scriptures?

00:39:42.000 Love hopes all things.

00:39:44.000 Come on, people.

00:39:45.000 Get with it.

00:39:46.000 And I was just thinking about this because people want to roll over and die and give up.

00:39:46.000 Yeah.

00:39:51.000 And it's really a time to.

00:39:53.000 contend.

00:39:54.000 It's a time in the public square, like we're talking about in a peaceful way, but with thought and words and not let people shame us into silence because that's the club they're using is to shame us.

00:40:05.000 Well, I don't have a voice because I'm white and I'm middle-aged and I'm privileged.

00:40:09.000 And I have this white privilege.

00:40:11.000 I was raised by an ex-convict.

00:40:14.000 I was in a trailer park. 0.58

00:40:16.000 I was living.

00:40:18.000 Well, it was close to that.

00:40:19.000 I mean, I really grew up on food stamps.

00:40:21.000 My mom was a bartender.

00:40:22.000 I lived. 1.00

00:40:23.000 Oh, you hate pot pies.

00:40:24.000 That's all you ate.

00:40:25.000 Frozen.

00:40:25.000 You know, living out of the tip jar and those things.

00:40:28.000 But your effort in life makes a difference.

00:40:31.000 And you're not a victim.

00:40:32.000 I don't care who you are.

00:40:33.000 But I was thinking about this for those who would say, this is the end.

00:40:37.000 We're going towards socialism because you could speak to this more than me, Charlie, but 60 to 70% of millennials lean towards or have embraced socialism.

00:40:47.000 And I go, okay.

00:40:49.000 So for the Christians, I tell them, has Christianity flourished under every single type of governmental authority for 2,000 years?

00:40:59.000 In China, it's the underground church, right?

00:41:02.000 And in Islam, there's Christians that are, I mean, people are becoming Christians. 0.99

00:41:07.000 Socialism, monarchy, anarchy, like Somalia, there's Christians there. 0.99

00:41:14.000 There's, you know, no, as far as I wouldn't say flourished, but survived. 0.99

00:41:17.000 Survived.

00:41:18.000 Well, that's what I'm saying, is that sometimes things have to get darker before people finally wake up.

00:41:27.000 And we've mentioned this about the sleeping giant.

00:41:30.000 And I think, honestly, the best answer for a lazy church, and that's what I believe it was G. Campbell Morgan said, that the church persecuted is the church pure, and the church unpersecuted is the church impure.

00:41:47.000 And right now, we're seeing the threshing floor and the separating of the wheat and the chaff.

00:41:51.000 Those who got the guts to follow Jesus and those who don't want to do it publicly and they're not ashamed of it and those who are going to cower in the corner and basically, put up the black tile, whatever I need to embrace.

00:42:05.000 How can I fit in? 0.89

00:42:06.000 I know I should, I'm ashamed that I should be white. 0.96

00:42:09.000 I'm colorblind. 0.99

00:42:10.000 I don't care what color you are, man. 0.99

00:42:11.000 Who are you as a person? 0.99

00:42:15.000 That's like a mic drop right there.

00:42:17.000 That's really good, right?

00:42:17.000 It's really good.

00:42:19.000 I don't have a microphone.

00:42:21.000 They just don't drop.

00:42:21.000 They're right here.

00:42:23.000 It's good.

00:42:25.000 We are, the country is definitely going up against.

00:42:28.000 I've said this before.

00:42:30.000 I think that the great, if I was a leftist, it's so helpful to think if you were kind of a secular leftist, what would you want us to do?

00:42:38.000 And the greatest thing you could possibly do to defeat your enemy is to give them to give up. 0.52

00:42:43.000 Think about it.

00:42:44.000 Yeah, right.

00:42:44.000 That is the greatest weapon.

00:42:46.000 And so to reinforce apathy, if I was a leftist, I would be running mass media telling everyone to give up, which is basically what they're doing.

00:42:54.000 Yes.

00:42:55.000 They said that the Western world was saved by the English language because it was Churchill who was so phenomenal in the way that he parsed his speeches.

00:43:03.000 He would even, the only time he used a French-based word was when he talked about surrender.

00:43:09.000 He was so equipped in the English language.

00:43:11.000 I would break no les déluge.

00:43:13.000 Which means after us the flood. 0.53

00:43:17.000 It's a typical French phrase.

00:43:19.000 You said their two greatest inventions are the tourniquet and the white flag.

00:43:19.000 I'm sorry.

00:43:25.000 We're pretty hard on the French here.

00:43:27.000 Yeah.

00:43:28.000 But he saved Western civilization by the clarity of the word that was true and brought them hope.

00:43:36.000 And if we really believe the Bible to be the inspired and errant word of God and that it's true and that that word spoke the heavens into existence and he calls himself the Logos, or Lagos, or Logos, or I've heard thousands of, if he calls himself that and he says, in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God and the word became fleshed what with man yeah, if we believe that to be true, then that that truth still has power to change lives,

00:44:06.000 a spoken word, to stand upon it and to stand upon truth and whatever things are true.

00:44:11.000 So that's why and I must say it again, that's why, sitting at this desk, as as we still have this audience before they, they may shut it down, because the only way that that a lie can be perpetrated is to silence the truth, and the truth must never be silenced.

00:44:27.000 Yeah, and you just keep rightly dividing it, sift through all of the you know the propaganda and everyone's narrative and just show people the truth.

00:44:37.000 That's why the press was supposed to be the ones who would report the truth, but now they report a narrative.

00:44:41.000 Yeah, that's why this is such a critical program and I really do believe it's a.

00:44:45.000 It's a war of truth.

00:44:47.000 I was telling somebody the other day, you know when the children of Israel went to war?

00:44:51.000 Do you know that they actually had a chapter in Deuteronomy 20 about warfare, how you go to war, how do you prepare if the enemy comes in like a flood?

00:44:59.000 Right, this is what you do.

00:45:02.000 And he, he walks them through it.

00:45:04.000 He says, you call for the priest and uh Rob, and I have the blessing of of being uh representatives in that way, to be a voice for god's people.

00:45:12.000 And you speak to the people.

00:45:13.000 This is what we're doing, even here today.

00:45:15.000 Yeah, right.

00:45:15.000 And so we're speaking.

00:45:17.000 And it says, do not be afraid or faint-hearted, because i'm with you.

00:45:24.000 Yeah, don't give up.

00:45:24.000 What?

00:45:25.000 What's the answer?

00:45:26.000 Immediately, when the enemies on the doorstep are overwhelming, you, i'm with you.

00:45:32.000 Right, God's with us.

00:45:33.000 We have nothing to be afraid of when we remember the presence of the lord and you forget God's promise, you don't have to be afraid because he's with you.

00:45:42.000 My, my father, naval officer.

00:45:44.000 We were in the the war riots uh, in the late 60s and 70s.

00:45:49.000 I was a young child in Washington Dc.

00:45:52.000 My dad was stationed at the Navy Yard.

00:45:53.000 I remember being there and I remember being frightened as we were there for America Day and then the protesters were out there and I remember his.

00:46:00.000 He had beautiful hands.

00:46:01.000 He's since gone to be with the lord and he just put me behind him and the comfort and the security that i'm with him just settled me.

00:46:09.000 Because I was there was anxiousness about me, and when you see the word discouraged, it just means without courage.

00:46:15.000 You want to remove the discouragement?

00:46:15.000 That's right.

00:46:17.000 Yeah, find some courage.

00:46:19.000 I can do all things through Christ, who strengthens me.

00:46:22.000 You are more than a conqueror.

00:46:23.000 In christ Jesus, you'll know the truth and the truth will set you free.

00:46:27.000 I have been young and I have been old.

00:46:29.000 I've never seen the righteous forsaken, nor their children begging bread.

00:46:32.000 Yeah, the lord is a strong tower.

00:46:33.000 The righteous run into him.

00:46:34.000 They are saved.

00:46:35.000 These are.

00:46:36.000 This is what you should be giving to your family and your kids.

00:46:39.000 Yeah not, Not this defeatism, not this fear.

00:46:42.000 Exactly.

00:46:43.000 Don't buy into this narrative.

00:46:44.000 They want you to be discouraged.

00:46:47.000 And it's time for courage.

00:46:48.000 And we're not going to become those who are victims.

00:46:52.000 We're not victims, you guys.

00:46:53.000 None of us are victims.

00:46:53.000 Nope.

00:46:54.000 Even if you were in communist China, you are more than a conqueror because God is going to do what he wants to do.

00:47:01.000 The rules of warfare, he goes on to say, Hey, if you've built a house and you haven't been able to live in it, then don't come because we want you to enjoy that.

00:47:11.000 And, you know, you planted a vineyard, you haven't eaten the grapes yet.

00:47:14.000 Don't come.

00:47:15.000 We're going to be out here fighting the battle.

00:47:17.000 Now, some of you guys are building homes and you're having a glass of wine.

00:47:21.000 And we're in this sea where we're fighting the battle.

00:47:24.000 Now, one of us, the third one, is, you know, if you're engaged to a woman and you haven't married her yet, right?

00:47:29.000 Well, go do that, Charlie.

00:47:31.000 And we know that the engagement has happened.

00:47:33.000 But anyway, moving on.

00:47:37.000 I plan to.

00:47:38.000 I know.

00:47:39.000 Oh, no, no.

00:47:40.000 No, I don't have anything to do with it.

00:47:42.000 Is that one of the rules?

00:47:43.000 No, it's one of the spend a year with your wife to get to know her before you go back onto battle.

00:47:47.000 What I'm saying is we'll talk to you about it later.

00:47:49.000 Because you're fighting the battle, right?

00:47:50.000 So you're fighting the country.

00:47:52.000 And the last one, this one's the one that kills me.

00:47:54.000 These people are all engaged in things, and there's the rest of us will go fight for you.

00:47:59.000 And then the last one is: if you're afraid, go home because your fear is going to fill the rest of us with fear.

00:48:04.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:48:05.000 I love that.

00:48:05.000 And that's it.

00:48:06.000 And it's contagious.

00:48:07.000 Do you know that courage is contagious?

00:48:09.000 And so is discouragement.

00:48:11.000 And so is fear.

00:48:12.000 And so, what are you bringing to people?

00:48:15.000 Are you bringing, I mean, it was such a blow.

00:48:18.000 You saw such devastation right this week.

00:48:21.000 And, but you're bringing courage.

00:48:23.000 Yeah, both of you guys.

00:48:25.000 I got pretty fired up in one of my live streams recently, and I don't regret it because the guy deserved it.

00:48:30.000 He said this whole diatribe on civil war and all the different tactical gear he had.

00:48:33.000 And I just had to swat it down one of the emails.

00:48:36.000 But I do have to, I think, have a little bit more understanding.

00:48:40.000 People are really despondent right now.

00:48:42.000 Like next level despondent.

00:48:44.000 I'm not there.

00:48:44.000 Right.

00:48:45.000 Yeah.

00:48:45.000 I'm actually not.

00:48:46.000 I mean, I'm angry.

00:48:47.000 I'm upset.

00:48:48.000 I'm saddened.

00:48:49.000 But it was always baked into my calculation that this could happen.

00:48:53.000 And I told everyone, I'm going to wake up and keep working.

00:48:56.000 I mean, yeah, you did.

00:48:58.000 I remember the question being asked of you.

00:48:59.000 You said, I'm going to go to work the next day.

00:49:01.000 What did I do?

00:49:01.000 Yeah.

00:49:02.000 Got up and went to work.

00:49:03.000 Rick, when Joshua approaches the commander of the Lord's army.

00:49:03.000 Yeah.

00:49:09.000 Yeah.

00:49:10.000 And he says, Are you for us or against us?

00:49:12.000 And we look at it as a Christophany appearance of Christ in the Old Testament.

00:49:12.000 Yeah.

00:49:17.000 And he says, neither.

00:49:19.000 Right?

00:49:19.000 And he says, neither.

00:49:20.000 That's right.

00:49:21.000 So in the political world, you have a spectrum.

00:49:24.000 You can go left and right.

00:49:27.000 I look at it more as a horseshoe.

00:49:29.000 But let's just say left and right.

00:49:32.000 And you're going to have militants on either end.

00:49:34.000 It's kind of like a church tug of war.

00:49:36.000 You got the big, heavy-sit militants that never talk to anybody on the other side.

00:49:40.000 They just wrap the rope around.

00:49:41.000 They're just the heaviest people in church and they're going to be the anchors. 0.98

00:49:44.000 But the people who are closest to the mud pit, they're having interaction and they're contending with one another. 0.93

00:49:50.000 But along these lines, you're going to have these folks that are militant.

00:49:54.000 Yes.

00:49:54.000 And then there's going to be pieces all the way through it.

00:49:58.000 When you're looking at these different levels of activity, the one thing that spans the entirety of that tug of war is Christ.

00:50:07.000 That's right.

00:50:08.000 He speaks to every segment of that population.

00:50:11.000 And the question is: are you free or are you enslaved?

00:50:17.000 And that spans the political spectrum.

00:50:19.000 That's right.

00:50:20.000 That's right.

00:50:20.000 But the politics is still necessary to contend for the ecclesia on how we live together.

00:50:26.000 Will that put us into greater slavery or will it give us freedom to experience the Imago Day to pursue excellence?

00:50:32.000 Or are we all going to be conformed with this Tower of Babel where we all march the same way and we're robots? 0.79

00:50:39.000 Or do we see the diversity that Elohim, unified diversity?

00:50:43.000 The flowers on the field, different colors, but they're just a tapestry of beauty.

00:50:47.000 Or are we going to have to all conform to be one set?

00:50:50.000 Is there freedom?

00:50:51.000 And that's the difference in creation that all of us have that imago day.

00:50:56.000 And Christianity speaks to the freedom of man.

00:51:00.000 And if the pulpits aren't doing it, the political structure dissolves into enslavement.

00:51:06.000 That's exactly right.

00:51:07.000 Yeah.

00:51:08.000 And an oligarchy of some capacity, whether fascism, socialism, you know.

00:51:12.000 Right.

00:51:13.000 Go ahead.

00:51:14.000 No.

00:51:14.000 I don't.

00:51:15.000 No, it's just an interesting question.

00:51:17.000 If you were to get 100 students and you ask them what builds civilizations, the answer is usually not easily grappled with because no one talks about that, right?

00:51:29.000 And so how does one build a civilization?

00:51:32.000 You can go through the ancients.

00:51:34.000 They kind of just stumbled backwards into it because of proximity to water.

00:51:39.000 These were the riverbed civilizations of the Indus River Valley, the Nile, Mesopotamia, and of course the Yangste.

00:51:47.000 But what builds civilizations outside of just proximity to natural resources?

00:51:51.000 Well, you could either build civilizations for good or civilizations for bad.

00:51:55.000 And we've seen both.

00:51:57.000 Most actually pretty awful and brutal. 0.99

00:52:00.000 What made this civilization different, though, is there was activist Christians that actually built this place. 0.95

00:52:07.000 And it will be completely and totally upon activist Christians whether or not this will continue. 0.88

00:52:12.000 It's that simple. 0.92

00:52:14.000 And using that word activist because it's been so messed with, I would just say.

00:52:18.000 I mean it positively.

00:52:18.000 I know you do.

00:52:19.000 But I want to encourage people to.

00:52:21.000 You're an activist Christian.

00:52:22.000 You're an activist Christian.

00:52:22.000 That's what I mean.

00:52:24.000 Being aware, reading the news, knowing what's true and what's not, influencing your community.

00:52:24.000 And I receive it that way.

00:52:29.000 Well, these are the other kind of things.

00:52:31.000 These are the things that I knew.

00:52:32.000 I even taught that there's only three institutions that the Bible institutes, right?

00:52:39.000 You have marriage, the marriage and family that the Lord creates in Genesis 2.

00:52:45.000 And then you have the church, because there's sacrifice and forgiveness of sins, whether it's them being covered with animal skins or Abel's official first worship service that the Lord blesses in Genesis 4.

00:53:02.000 And then there's the government.

00:53:04.000 There's the state.

00:53:05.000 And the Lord's organized these three institutions.

00:53:08.000 We have after Noah comes out of the ark, he talks about it in Genesis 9.

00:53:13.000 And the Saud Covenant. 0.83

00:53:14.000 Yeah, that's right. 0.94

00:53:15.000 So I talk about those things.

00:53:17.000 But even as a pastor, knowing that the Lord created three institutions, marriage and family, I was all about it.

00:53:24.000 Okay.

00:53:24.000 And the church or forgiveness for sins and a spiritual center for people.

00:53:30.000 I'm a pastor, right?

00:53:31.000 But when it came to the government to be salt and light, my simple adage was pray for your leaders like 1 Timothy 2 declares, and then use your citizenship, vote.

00:53:43.000 That's as far as my activism went.

00:53:47.000 But get involved to be salt and light on the school board and run for city council and county commissioners and for governor and engage the public square.

00:53:57.000 This is where I fell short.

00:53:59.000 It's a three-legged stool.

00:54:01.000 If God's involved in your marriage, it's going to do well.

00:54:04.000 If he's involved in the spiritual center, you're going to do well.

00:54:07.000 And if you leave him out of engaging in the public square as a citizen, a three-legged stool will only stand if all three legs are strong.

00:54:16.000 And that's exactly what you were speaking to.

00:54:18.000 The forefathers put all three of those things together, and we got the greatest nation in the history and the greatest experiment of a republic or they stumbled backwards into it.

00:54:29.000 They didn't just wake up in 1750 and say, you know, 26 years from today, we're going to go dissolve ties.

00:54:36.000 They fell backwards into it.

00:54:37.000 Was the first great revival in our country, first great awakening.

00:54:40.000 Yeah, there was a great awakening, and then Whitfield and Jonathan Edwards.

00:54:43.000 And the Declaration of Independence was preached from the pulpits of America before it was penned by Jefferson.

00:54:48.000 I mean, there's pastors that you can take full clips out of their sermons that exist in the Declaration of Church.

00:54:53.000 He was just, he wasn't declaring, and he was not expressing anything that wasn't already articulated in the they had learned it in the pulpits.

00:55:00.000 I believe it was really supernatural wisdom that was poured upon them as they were working in that constitutional meeting, right?

00:55:07.000 And they were at a logger's head with all of these ideas to put into it.

00:55:11.000 And they went to fasting and prayer.

00:55:13.000 It's very much like Solomon in here having a baby and two women saying it's my baby.

00:55:19.000 And he calls for a sword to get to the heart of the matter.

00:55:22.000 And the mom that, yeah, please let my child lie.

00:55:25.000 Don't split my baby in half because, hey, let's just split this in half and let's do this.

00:55:29.000 And they prayed, fasted and prayed.

00:55:31.000 And I believe the Lord gave them supernatural wisdom, the sword to cut through really so many human issues and to give us a spiritually inspired biblical perspective of a creator and our inalienable rights.

00:55:47.000 And it's up to us to save it.

00:55:49.000 That's right.

00:55:50.000 Well, from that, when he walked out of the Constitutional Convention, Benjamin Franklin, when he had called for prayer, he said, Spartatos fall from the sky without God's knowledge.

00:55:56.000 How can we build a government without his help, beseeching his help?

00:56:00.000 And then the woman says, Mr. Franklin, what form of government have you given us?

00:56:03.000 He says, Republic, madam, if you can keep it. 0.56

00:56:06.000 And it falls to us.

00:56:07.000 Yes.

00:56:07.000 That republic has to be of a moral people.

00:56:10.000 And we've got to help people be free.

00:56:15.000 Well, if that wisdom was available for them then, Charlie, in the Lord, it's available.

00:56:20.000 James 1:5.

00:56:22.000 Ask for wisdom.

00:56:23.000 Ask for wisdom.

00:56:23.000 It's available for us.

00:56:24.000 Anyone who lacks it, just ask.

00:56:26.000 He'll give freely.

00:56:28.000 Amen.

00:56:28.000 He'll give freely.

00:56:29.000 It's wisdom.

00:56:30.000 Amen.

00:56:31.000 So on January 21st, I will be at Jack Kibbs Church.

00:56:35.000 If everyone wants to.

00:56:35.000 Great.

00:56:36.000 What about January 17th?

00:56:38.000 And then I'll be at the God Speak on the 17th.

00:56:40.000 We get you first.

00:56:41.000 That's right.

00:56:41.000 We're chopped liver.

00:56:42.000 It's okay.

00:56:43.000 Well, by the way, Charlie, January 17th, when you come, Sean Foyt's going to be there.

00:56:47.000 Yeah, doing the worship.

00:56:48.000 He's going to do the worship.

00:56:49.000 But then we're going to have many pastors from across the country that have stood in opposition to tyranny.

00:56:53.000 And we're going to sign that declaration.

00:56:55.000 And we're going to pray over it and sign it.

00:56:57.000 And it's going to be a big day.

00:56:58.000 So folks are encouraged to come on out.

00:56:59.000 Yes.

00:57:00.000 January 17th, Saturday.

00:57:02.000 Saturday, we're going to be having some dinner with the pastors and then bringing it for Charlie's big day, Charlie.

00:57:09.000 You guys are going to bring it to the next day.

00:57:09.000 On that Sunday, we talked about this.

00:57:12.000 We're going to come up with the three to five bullet points of questions.

00:57:15.000 Yes.

00:57:16.000 And you have to have all these checked.

00:57:17.000 If you say, what do I do?

00:57:18.000 Great question.

00:57:18.000 What do I do?

00:57:19.000 You got to check these three, which is one of them, for example, that we talked about for a Christian is: do you know every single school board member personally?

00:57:29.000 Have you taken them all out to lunch?

00:57:32.000 Or do you have plans to influence the next school board election?

00:57:34.000 Maybe running yourself.

00:57:36.000 If the answer is no, don't ask me what should you do.

00:57:39.000 That's just one, right?

00:57:41.000 I agree, Charlie.

00:57:42.000 I was laying those out at dinner last night.

00:57:45.000 Not those.

00:57:46.000 I was saying, we need this list of things to just practically.

00:57:51.000 And I was wanting to declare to pastors what to do.

00:57:54.000 And Charlie and his wisdom, who has a lot of conversations with pastors, said, I believe it's best to ask questions and have them respond and engage.

00:58:02.000 And you thought that was the better way to do it.

00:58:04.000 I thought it was 100%.

00:58:05.000 Thank you.

00:58:06.000 We're restoring the third leg of the stool.

00:58:08.000 Yeah, amen.

00:58:09.000 And I believe that's exactly what's happening.

00:58:12.000 It's a great opportunity.

00:58:13.000 But wait, Charlie, I asked you what I'm supposed to do.

00:58:15.000 I did all these things.

00:58:16.000 I bought a pillow.

00:58:19.000 I sent visceral emails to my friends.

00:58:21.000 Yep.

00:58:22.000 Well, look, I will say that it's better to have thousands and thousands and thousands of emails of people that are asking what to do than have an inbox where no one cares.

00:58:33.000 Yeah, we're no one.

00:58:33.000 And I could tell you this, though.

00:58:34.000 I get a lot of emails from people in Eastern Europe, the Estonian email of God, and from Italy and Greece and Spain.

00:58:43.000 I'll just use Europe as an example.

00:58:45.000 And they say, Charlie, no one cares in our country.

00:58:48.000 No one.

00:58:48.000 And it is what happens just with this kind of parliamentarian apathy where it's just give me stuff.

00:58:55.000 And the one thing that does give me hope outside of all of this, hundreds of thousands of people showed up to Washington, D.C. on a long shot just to celebrate a president.

00:59:04.000 What other country is that happening on the planet?

00:59:06.000 Yeah.

00:59:07.000 And that goes to show that President Trump, one of his longest-lasting legacies will be all of a sudden this reignition of participatory citizen government.

00:59:16.000 I just pray, and this is up to us, that it doesn't get lost because of the correct, the good conversations we've been having around voter integrity.

00:59:24.000 All of a sudden, people say, it doesn't matter, I'm done.

00:59:25.000 Because no matter what I do, they're going to change my votes.

00:59:28.000 We have to be careful with that.

00:59:29.000 Right?

00:59:29.000 Yeah.

00:59:30.000 I agree.

00:59:30.000 Well, it'll also be a pruning process.

00:59:32.000 Most people are saying, what do I do?

00:59:35.000 And the reason why they're asking that question is because nobody's led them and they've never been educated.

00:59:40.000 And it's time for leaders, for shepherds to start doing your homework, studying to show yourself approved and start leading.

00:59:47.000 For lack of a vision, the people perish.

00:59:49.000 We're in responsibility.

00:59:50.000 We're going to create, we're going to ask people every time, do you have your boxes checked?

00:59:54.000 That's what we're going to say from this point forward, right?

00:59:56.000 Do you have your boxes checked?

00:59:57.000 I think that's a great way to approach it.

00:59:59.000 And we need those beginning steps.

01:00:02.000 And that's just the beginning.

01:00:03.000 And to teach and instruct.

01:00:05.000 You know, I was so impressed not only with the whole student action summit.

01:00:09.000 Your whole team did a phenomenal job.

01:00:12.000 They worked so hard.

01:00:13.000 I want you to know how much hope that filled me with because as a middle-aged guy that's loved our nation, when I saw that place and all the kids waiting outside, they wouldn't even let them all in.

01:00:22.000 That's a tragedy.

01:00:23.000 That was sad.

01:00:24.000 But high schoolers and college-age kids in there so excited about a conservative worldview.

01:00:33.000 It just, oh, it thrilled my heart.

01:00:35.000 And to see Christy Noam there.

01:00:37.000 It's so good.

01:00:37.000 And she said, I have taken the opportunity, and I thought it was such a great word for every DeSantis and Christie are really leading the way.

01:00:45.000 Don't you think?

01:00:46.000 They are the two best governors in America.

01:00:48.000 Two best.

01:00:49.000 That's my assessment.

01:00:50.000 And she said, I believe our job for our nation or for my people in South Dakota is to teach and instruct and trust them with personal responsibility.

01:01:02.000 That's a good word.

01:01:04.000 But the same thing for us, right?

01:01:06.000 Teach and instruct in personal responsibility.

01:01:09.000 And their personal responsibility.

01:01:10.000 It's on you, man.

01:01:11.000 Amen.

01:01:12.000 It's on them.

01:01:13.000 That's what makes the American experiment different than any other is this idea of trust of the citizenry.

01:01:18.000 That's right.

01:01:18.000 And you only give trust to people that have earned it.

01:01:22.000 You don't give the keys to the new Cadillac to an eight-year-old.

01:01:26.000 They haven't earned it, right?

01:01:27.000 That's right.

01:01:28.000 And so we as citizens need to, we need to have, get our leaders to trust us again to give us our liberty back.

01:01:35.000 But that all starts with the church.

01:01:36.000 When you have an informed, prayerful citizenry, then you are able to deal with liberty.

01:01:41.000 Because liberty is a, it's a thermonuclear weapon if you don't know what you're doing.

01:01:44.000 Well, I think that's why people don't understand why the church is so essential.

01:01:48.000 When the nation of Israel went through this, right?

01:01:51.000 Their city was destroyed and they were dispersed all over for 70 years because God was disciplining them.

01:01:57.000 And when they came back, the first thing they had to rebuild was the temple, the spiritual center of the nation.

01:02:03.000 And then they could rebuild the walls, which were the defensive mechanisms of the nation.

01:02:08.000 And then they could take over the rest of the country.

01:02:11.000 Do the commerce.

01:02:12.000 So it's got to be body, soul, and spirit, but it starts with, you know, Peter said, judgment begins with the house of God.

01:02:20.000 Everything begins with God's people.

01:02:23.000 That's true.

01:02:23.000 Amen.

01:02:24.000 in the Constitutional Republic, we should take note from all the people in the Old Testament that influenced the king, Joseph, for example, Esther, Mordecai, Jeremiah, Daniel, and that's not an exhaustive list.

01:02:37.000 No.

01:02:37.000 But who's the Esther, Daniel, Mordecai in our country?

01:02:41.000 It's you. 0.73

01:02:42.000 You're supposed to be the counselor.

01:02:43.000 The church is supposed to be the counselor.

01:02:45.000 That's right.

01:02:46.000 And that's why the founders had comfort as Christians, not putting in a national religion, but instead giving the freedom of, because they said, as long as we have the freedom of, Christians will influence this government.

01:02:59.000 Earlier this week, I heard Graham Allen say, where are the pastors in this hour?

01:03:03.000 And I tweeted back to him.

01:03:04.000 I said, I'm right here.

01:03:06.000 And I'm with Rick.

01:03:07.000 You know, it's like, we're out there.

01:03:10.000 And it's growing.

01:03:11.000 And it's growing.

01:03:12.000 And I have been so pleased to meet Greg Farrington, both of you guys, McClure, James Cadiz, Ken Graves, Jurgen, Jack Hibbs, who deserves a special shout out, who is as bold as ever.

01:03:27.000 James Cadiz.

01:03:28.000 Yeah, James Cadiz.

01:03:29.000 Phil Green.

01:03:30.000 Right?

01:03:30.000 Yep.

01:03:31.000 Frank from.

01:03:33.000 Greg Locke.

01:03:34.000 Yeah, Greg Locke.

01:03:35.000 Frank Ramsauer.

01:03:37.000 Yeah, Frank Ramsauer from Chattanooga, Tennessee.

01:03:40.000 Cody Kuhl.

01:03:41.000 These are all guys that have completely opened up.

01:03:43.000 Randall in California, San Clemente, John Randall.

01:03:48.000 Yeah, I don't know if I've met.

01:03:49.000 No, no.

01:03:49.000 That's San Juan Capistrano.

01:03:51.000 San Juan Capistrano.

01:03:52.000 I'm speaking there on the evening of the 17th.

01:03:56.000 Who's your friend up in northern Idaho?

01:03:58.000 Paul.

01:03:59.000 I want to say it.

01:03:59.000 Paul.

01:04:00.000 It is Paul.

01:04:00.000 That's right.

01:04:01.000 Yeah.

01:04:01.000 Paul.

01:04:02.000 I'm going to put him on right now.

01:04:03.000 These guys are heroes.

01:04:04.000 They are.

01:04:05.000 You two are heroes.

01:04:06.000 No, we're not heroes.

01:04:07.000 Those pastors are heroes.

01:04:08.000 Rob's a hero.

01:04:10.000 But they're out there and they're growing and there will be more.

01:04:15.000 Paul Van Oy.

01:04:15.000 That's right.

01:04:16.000 Shout out.

01:04:17.000 A Dutch name.

01:04:18.000 That's right.

01:04:20.000 Well, I think that's the thing that people don't understand.

01:04:22.000 To be heroic simply means that you are willing to do in scary times what nobody else is willing to do.

01:04:30.000 Yeah.

01:04:30.000 You know, I mean, that's you're willing to make that stand.

01:04:34.000 And if you're not willing to throw down now, in this time of our nation, like you think it's going to get better, they have no idea how the shrinking control of government is coming. 0.51

01:04:47.000 If Germany could throw the brakes on Nazi Germany 10 years before it happened, because of what was developing, and you see it when you read Bonhoeffer's book.

01:05:00.000 That's right. 0.94

01:05:00.000 It was all on the horizon. 0.94

01:05:02.000 It was all coming when you read Bonhoeffer's.

01:05:06.000 And the church just kind of hedged a little bit.

01:05:10.000 And the gospel, the false gospel of Friedrich Nietzsche was growing.

01:05:15.000 I'm sorry, go ahead.

01:05:16.000 And you know what they used?

01:05:18.000 They used Martin Luther's own words, the church, the founder of the Lutheran church of Germany, because he went in his later years, he went through a bad spell of being anti-Jewish.

01:05:30.000 So they use the church.

01:05:33.000 They use the leadership of the church to bludgeon and shame the people into submission.

01:05:38.000 I believe.

01:05:38.000 I believe in your spiritual leaders.

01:05:39.000 And that's what's happening when you put a black tile on your door.

01:05:43.000 They're using the leverage of the facade, really.

01:05:48.000 And that's all it is.

01:05:48.000 Look how good of a person I am.

01:05:50.000 Yeah.

01:05:50.000 Virtue signaling.

01:05:52.000 Well, this has been fun, guys.

01:05:53.000 Thanks, John.

01:05:54.000 So January 17th.

01:05:55.000 Yeah.

01:05:56.000 Godspeak.

01:05:57.000 Three services.

01:05:58.000 Right.

01:05:59.000 Spectacular.

01:06:00.000 You can check it out at Godspeak.com.

01:06:01.000 And then I want to say thank you because I was not an Instagram guy, but you've like...

01:06:07.000 So what's your Instagram?

01:06:08.000 Rob underscore McCoy.

01:06:10.000 You made it go crazy.

01:06:11.000 Cool.

01:06:11.000 Yeah.

01:06:12.000 Hopefully you don't get deleted soon.

01:06:14.000 Whatever.

01:06:14.000 And do you have Instagram?

01:06:15.000 No, but I'm going to get everything. 0.93

01:06:17.000 I'm the new anti-Semitic.

01:06:18.000 Don't, don't, don't.

01:06:19.000 We're all going to walk away.

01:06:20.000 Yeah.

01:06:21.000 Well, I do think that people have to use their devices less.

01:06:23.000 Yeah, amen.

01:06:25.000 I said that at SAS.

01:06:26.000 You did.

01:06:26.000 That resonated with us.

01:06:27.000 And it actually affected me.

01:06:29.000 It was good.

01:06:29.000 Oh, I was blessed by it.

01:06:30.000 I thought it was one of your best presentations.

01:06:32.000 Thank you.

01:06:32.000 It's very kind.

01:06:33.000 And then this night of the 17th at Calvary Chapel, San Juan Capistrano.

01:06:37.000 Did I get that right?

01:06:38.000 Yeah.

01:06:38.000 And then the following Thursday.

01:06:40.000 Thursday.

01:06:40.000 And I did this intentionally with Jack.

01:06:42.000 Yeah.

01:06:42.000 Who you introduced me to Jack.

01:06:45.000 And Jack is a great American.

01:06:47.000 He is.

01:06:47.000 And he's never said no, just like you.

01:06:50.000 And I said, Jack, I think people are going to be pretty depressed and despondent the day after, you know, right near the inauguration said, let's go do a massive happening now.

01:06:58.000 He's like, I love it, brother.

01:07:00.000 I want to be in the front row and join it.

01:07:01.000 Well, and I just think that, you know, we're going to have some good stuff to share.

01:07:04.000 Wow.

01:07:04.000 I'm so excited.

01:07:05.000 Chino Hills, if anyone's listening, wants to come on the 21st.

01:07:08.000 Since this is a Sunday podcast, can we have Rick?

01:07:10.000 Yeah, please.

01:07:10.000 Let's do it.

01:07:11.000 Will you pray for everyone?

01:07:12.000 Let's do it.

01:07:13.000 Father, thank you for your incredible love.

01:07:15.000 Lord Jesus, we just want to declare from our hearts we love you.

01:07:18.000 And we thank you that you're the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end.

01:07:23.000 And, Lord, you are the author and finisher of our faith.

01:07:26.000 And Lord, what you have begun this good work in us and in our nation, Lord, you will bring it to completion until the day that you come again, Lord Jesus.

01:07:35.000 So we just commit our ways into your hands.

01:07:37.000 Lord, just bless Charlie, strengthen him, bless Rob and myself.

01:07:41.000 Strengthen us to be a voice for your kingdom and for our citizens, for our nation, Lord, and for the world.

01:07:49.000 In Jesus' name, amen.

01:07:51.000 Amen.

01:07:54.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

01:07:56.000 If you want to get involved with Turning Point USA, go to tpusa.com, where we play offense with a sense of urgency to win America's culture war.

01:08:03.000 We're a movement of positivity and optimism.

01:08:06.000 While everyone else is negative around you, do something positive around it.

01:08:09.000 We still live in a great country.

01:08:11.000 Let's do it.

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01:08:17.000 God bless you guys.

01:08:18.000 Talk to you soon.

The Charlie Kirk Show - January 10, 2021

'We Live in Heroic Times' with Pastors Rick Brown and Rob McCoy

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