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00:01:47.000 So we're going to say this a couple times, but yesterday we intentionally ignored what was happening with the committee.

00:01:54.000 We had other stories that I thought were more important.

00:01:56.000 Ghelain Maxwell, her sentencing, gas prices, the porous and southern, open southern border, I should say.

00:02:05.000 Just this testimony from Cassidy Hutchinson.

00:02:08.000 I just, I had developed kind of quite honestly a muscle memory to not really get into something, to really focus on it until I have all the facts available in front of me.

00:02:21.000 You see, throughout the years, we've been through many different stories where the media went instantaneously into accusation mode and full transparency.

00:02:33.000 One of the great teaching moments, one of the great learning moments for me personally was in either January or February of 2019.

00:02:43.000 I think it was January, the Covington Kid deal with Nicholas Sandman, where I was doing too many things at once.

00:02:51.000 I was spending far too much time on Twitter.

00:02:54.000 And I tweeted something such as the Covington kids shouldn't have behaved the way they did. 1.00

00:02:59.000 A stupid, dumb thing to tweet because I didn't let all the facts come through. 0.99

00:03:03.000 I didn't actually check the premise. 1.00

00:03:05.000 I didn't challenge the media narrative.

00:03:08.000 And that was such a teaching moment for me and a learning moment.

00:03:11.000 I said, what am I doing here?

00:03:13.000 Just kind of going along with the narrative for the narrative's sake.

00:03:17.000 And I wrote a whole op-ed about it, but I actually learned from it.

00:03:22.000 I decided that I was never going to do that again.

00:03:24.000 I said, I'm not going to kind of ready-fire aim.

00:03:27.000 I said, we're just going to kind of let the facts come out.

00:03:30.000 And I also learned that, man, when the media becomes so enthusiastic and so passionate about something so quickly, there's probably something they're withholding from us.

00:03:43.000 And then a couple months later, the Mueller report came out and it showed that Trump collusion was all a lie.

00:03:51.000 And as I was growing in the movement and growing as a commentator and growing as a podcaster and growing as a host and growing as a leader of Turning Point USA, I said to myself, man, the next time the media wants me to get so excited about something, I'm just not going to do it.

00:04:07.000 And I'm quite honestly thankful and thankful to God and thankful to all my mentors.

00:04:14.000 We passed the COVID test.

00:04:15.000 We refused to engage in the hysteria from day one.

00:04:18.000 We passed the Floyd test.

00:04:19.000 We refused to engage in the BLM nonsense from day one. 0.98

00:04:22.000 In fact, we pushed back against it, which people thought was coming at great personal cost to us.

00:04:28.000 And so every time the media starts to go into full coordination mode and they're almost wagging their finger at you, you must pay attention to this.

00:04:35.000 You must pay attention to this.

00:04:36.000 You must pay attention to this.

00:04:38.000 I think this is a generally accepted principle to take a timeout and pause and say, what are you doing, you annoying people? 0.98

00:04:46.000 You smug and arrogant media members. 0.95

00:04:49.000 Why are you screaming at me again? 0.99

00:04:50.000 Why are you bothering my day?

00:04:52.000 Why are you disturbing my peace?

00:04:54.000 What is this that you have?

00:04:55.000 Lay it out factually.

00:04:57.000 Do not use the pathos, the pathological arguments, the emotional arguments.

00:05:03.000 Let's use some facts, some cross-examination.

00:05:06.000 Let's yield to our reason because reason is universal.

00:05:09.000 Emotion is not, especially when you're talking about things that are so detailed and consequential.

00:05:17.000 And so what happened yesterday, I just, I have it built into my muscle memory now after COVID and masks and vaccines and Ukraine and all the mass hysteria that we live through.

00:05:30.000 I just don't indulge in it.

00:05:32.000 So I was hosting a show, as you all know.

00:05:34.000 We were all doing this together.

00:05:35.000 We had a wonderful show together.

00:05:37.000 We were talking about how Democrats were infiltrating the Republican primary.

00:05:40.000 And people were just emailing me, Charlie, you've got to cover the Cassidy Hutchinson.

00:05:45.000 Charlie, you have to cover the Cassidy Hutchinson.

00:05:47.000 And I told my team, I said, look, let's just take a pause.

00:05:49.000 Let's just look at what's really being said.

00:05:52.000 Let's see if there's any kind of rebukes to this and find out.

00:05:56.000 And boy, was that the right choice.

00:05:58.000 I'm going to tell you exactly why.

00:06:00.000 We were told to care.

00:06:02.000 We were told yesterday that we had to care about what was happening in the January 6th committee.

00:06:07.000 And so we decided to cover other stories.

00:06:10.000 I've learned throughout the years that when the media is insisting that you cover a story, when the media is demanding that you engage with their rage, it's usually a bad idea.

00:06:26.000 You see, I've learned throughout the years that the media, the narrative industrial complex, the regime, they prey on your emotions.

00:06:38.000 They want early and enthusiastic comments to try to get people to see things not as they are, but how they feel them to be.

00:06:47.000 I've fallen victim to this, as I mentioned, and I've wrote a whole op-ed about it.

00:06:51.000 I was doing too many things at once.

00:06:54.000 I didn't learn the lessons properly during the Covington Kids saga.

00:06:58.000 I got the whole Covington thing, Covington Kids thing wrong.

00:07:02.000 I believed the media on Twitter, and I said something to the effect of the Covington kids shouldn't be doing what they were doing. 1.00

00:07:09.000 Stupid, dumb thing to say. 1.00

00:07:11.000 But boy, did I learn my lesson. 1.00

00:07:13.000 When COVID came, when BLM came, when Floyd came, when Ukraine came, vaccines came. 0.78

00:07:17.000 I didn't fall for any of the media bait.

00:07:20.000 You could kind of feel it, right?

00:07:21.000 As you grow and as you learn, there's a certain fever pitch that you have to kind of develop an ear to, where it kind of gets to a frequency and you say, nope, let's pause.

00:07:35.000 Now, it doesn't inherently mean that everything that is being said is not true.

00:07:39.000 Another example, by the way, would be Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:07:42.000 When we refused to go along with the media, for example, when Black Rifle Coffee attacked Kyle Rittenhouse, we refused to go along with all of that.

00:07:50.000 And so, all these different examples where we were told we had to believe a certain thing.

00:07:55.000 It turns out there's more to the story.

00:07:58.000 So, yesterday, I intentionally avoided any mention of what was happening.

00:08:03.000 I said, why on earth would I cover something where I can't validate, cross-examine, or find out if there's any truth to what is being said?

00:08:11.000 Because there's some very significant things.

00:08:14.000 And so, basically, here's what happened yesterday.

00:08:18.000 Yesterday, with an urgent pace, the committee put together a surprise hearing with a White House aide, her name Cassidy Hutchinson.

00:08:31.000 Now, I'd never heard of Cassidy Hutchinson before.

00:08:33.000 I knew a lot of people in the White House.

00:08:35.000 I knew a different Cassidy, who's one of the sweetest person people ever who worked in the White House and was super loyal to the country and loyal to President Trump.

00:08:43.000 But this Cassidy, I had never heard of.

00:08:45.000 Fine, whatever.

00:08:46.000 I didn't know everyone in the White House.

00:08:47.000 I didn't work there, just did some projects and happened to visit more times than not.

00:08:53.000 So, this person comes up and she starts to testify.

00:08:56.000 And she says some very, very serious things.

00:09:01.000 She says some things, such as, for example, the kind of scintillating news-grabbing headline was the one that Donald Trump tried to hijack the presidential motorcade, otherwise known as the Beast.

00:09:16.000 That Donald Trump, in all of his fury, in all of his anger, was so upset with what was happening.

00:09:22.000 He wanted to go to the Capitol so badly that Donald Trump put his hand on the collar of a Secret Service agent, tried to take the steering wheel of the car, and the Secret Service had to push him back.

00:09:37.000 I mean, I heard this.

00:09:38.000 I said, wow, that's quite an accusation.

00:09:41.000 Hey, Cassidy, have you ever been in the Beast before?

00:09:44.000 Because I have.

00:09:46.000 And that's literally impossible to do.

00:09:48.000 I was thinking this while I was hosting the show yesterday, because again, I'm processing all this.

00:09:51.000 I said, I'm not going to cover this until I have time to really let all this set in.

00:09:55.000 By the way, previously, I was more immature with the way I reacted to things like I did with Covington.

00:10:01.000 I would like to think this is a mature response.

00:10:03.000 You wait a day, you think about it, you process it, you study it, you examine it.

00:10:07.000 That's what adults do.

00:10:09.000 Children immediately like, wow, oh my goodness, hi, Jack, the beast.

00:10:12.000 I can't believe it.

00:10:14.000 And then all it takes is someone to say, wait, hold on a second, you can't do that.

00:10:19.000 There's a separation wall between the passengers and the Secret Service.

00:10:26.000 It's physically impossible.

00:10:28.000 Here's Cassidy Hutchinson saying that Donald Trump tried to create a new saga in the Grand Theft Auto series, otherwise known as Grand Theft Auto Capital City, Play Cut 70.

00:10:40.000 Tony described him as being irate.

00:10:42.000 The president said something to the effect of, I'm the effing president.

00:10:46.000 Take me up to the Capitol now, to which Bobby responded, sir, we have to go back to the West Wing.

00:10:53.000 The president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel.

00:10:58.000 Mr. Engel grabbed his arm, said, Sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel.

00:11:04.000 We're going back to the West Wing.

00:11:06.000 We're not going to the Capitol.

00:11:08.000 Mr. Trump then used his free hand to lunge towards Bobby Engle. 0.78

00:11:12.000 And when Mr. Renato had recounted this story to me, he had motioned towards his clavicles.

00:11:18.000 So that's a really serious accusation, right?

00:11:20.000 I mean, you have a president of the United States that assaults his Secret Service agents.

00:11:24.000 I mean, that's serious.

00:11:25.000 I mean, wow.

00:11:27.000 And by the way, who uses the word clavicles? 0.84

00:11:32.000 He assaulted me in the clavicles.

00:11:34.000 The first thing you say, like, wait, is that's like super anatomically specific, by the way.

00:11:40.000 Unless you're trained to say that she was trained and coached, I think, to say that.

00:11:46.000 So, okay, fine.

00:11:47.000 She says this.

00:11:48.000 Super serious accusation.

00:11:52.000 And I knew it as soon as I heard it.

00:11:53.000 It's just like, there's no way that's true.

00:11:56.000 No way.

00:11:57.000 I've been in the beast.

00:12:01.000 You can't do that.

00:12:02.000 And by the way, it's just not something I believe Donald Trump would do otherwise.

00:12:08.000 And guess what?

00:12:10.000 Without any opportunity to do so, they never even thought to ask the Secret Service, hey, is this true?

00:12:20.000 Cut 71, the U.S. Secret Service issued a statement saying it's now prepared for agents to provide sworn testimony in relation to new allegations brought up in the January 6th committee.

00:12:32.000 Play Cut 71.

00:12:33.000 Agents are prepared to give sworn testimony in relation to these new allegations.

00:12:38.000 Two sources familiar with the investigation tell me that when President Trump returned to his motorcade after giving that speech on January 6th, he requested that agents take him to the Capitol.

00:12:48.000 Those sources told me that Robert Engel, one of the agents in the car, said something to the effect of that being unwise or dangerous and that the motorcade was going to return the president to the White House.

00:12:58.000 A source close to the Secret Service tells me that President Trump was apparently not happy with that answer, but the agents in the car would push back against any allegation of an assault by President Trump and the allegation that he reached for the steering wheel.

00:13:11.000 So the Secret Service, which is traditionally not exactly seeking out media attention, they're typically silent professionals.

00:13:22.000 That literally is in the name, Secret Service.

00:13:26.000 They are so repulsed by this accusation that the Secret Service is now talking to the media.

00:13:33.000 Again, it's not the public service.

00:13:35.000 It's not the PR service.

00:13:37.000 It's not NPR.

00:13:38.000 They don't talk to the media as part of what they do.

00:13:41.000 And they are now willing to go on the record.

00:13:43.000 The Secret Service is now willing to go on the record and say that did not happen.

00:13:50.000 Now, not once did we think, did the committee think, say, hey, can we get a cross-examination of this?

00:13:56.000 Can we get somebody to check this?

00:13:58.000 Can we find out if this is true or not?

00:14:02.000 And what's where we're going to now take this is, yes, we're going to keep on going through some of the other statements that were false, lying in front of Congress, lying under oath.

00:14:12.000 But there's a deeper point because I'm actually not shocked by the January 6th committee to do this.

00:14:16.000 You should expect that.

00:14:18.000 I expect this.

00:14:19.000 What should shock you, though, and what should anger you is all of the conservatives in media and in government that immediately, without question, without pause, took everything that they heard to be true.

00:14:35.000 Oh my goodness, Donald Trump hijacked the presidential limo?

00:14:38.000 He tried to put his hand on the steering wheel, one after the other after the other.

00:14:42.000 Oh, and we're going to name names of these people because the people that many of you have watched or watched on television, without any moment of pause, bought everything that was being said that has now been revealed to be a lie.

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00:16:36.000 As we were doing the program yesterday, we were getting some emails.

00:16:40.000 Charlie, are you watching the committee hearing?

00:16:43.000 Are you going to cut live to it?

00:16:44.000 No, as a general rule and principle here is do your homework.

00:16:47.000 Get into the weeds.

00:16:49.000 Do some research.

00:16:50.000 Take a breath.

00:16:51.000 Don't trust the headlines.

00:16:53.000 Cross-examine the major accusations.

00:16:56.000 Don't be led away by the emotion of it.

00:17:00.000 You see, this is a separate point, but it's important, which is I am a big believer that people should read their news before they watch their news.

00:17:12.000 Now, I say this also as we have a television program and we have a podcast, but especially if you're trying to get down to the root of it, I personally am a big believer in reading the news.

00:17:25.000 So when I read a New York Times article, I can add my own voice to it.

00:17:31.000 I can pause on a word or not.

00:17:33.000 But if you are watching a full-fledged CBS television program or ABC television program with the graphics and the red alert and the precise emotionally charged language, you're being taken for a ride.

00:17:48.000 Cut 73, while all this was happening, while we just basically ignored it and we said, take a time out.

00:17:54.000 We'll cover this once we kind of figure out all the different pieces.

00:17:56.000 Who is this woman? 1.00

00:17:57.000 Never heard of her before.

00:17:58.000 Figure it out.

00:17:59.000 Everyone's saying we should talk about it.

00:18:00.000 In due time, we will if it's a big enough deal.

00:18:02.000 And by the way, just to give you an idea of how seriously the activist media took this, it is the entire upper fold of the New York Times.

00:18:12.000 That's how big of a picture it is.

00:18:14.000 It says here: enraged Trump encouraged violence and sought to join mob aid testifies.

00:18:23.000 Well, is that true?

00:18:25.000 Let's find out.

00:18:26.000 But first, Cut 73, Fox News's Brett Baer immediately described Hutchins' testimony, Hutchinson's testimony, as stunning and compelling.

00:18:36.000 Play Cut 73.

00:18:38.000 According to her testimony, he says, I'm the effing president.

00:18:42.000 Take me there, and then goes to grab at him. 0.92

00:18:45.000 Listen, this testimony is, first of all, stunning because we haven't heard this.

00:18:50.000 Two, it's compelling because of her proximity to power.

00:18:55.000 All of these people directly having conversations with her.

00:18:59.000 I think, as we've seen before, it's methodical.

00:19:02.000 We always point out the caveat: there's not a minority here that's pushing back or questioning the other way.

00:19:08.000 No one pushing back the other way.

00:19:10.000 It's saying that it was compelling and stunning.

00:19:13.000 Continued by saying on Cut 74 that the January 6th testimony proves that we're not even close to being on the brink of losing our democracy because patriots resisted Trump's efforts.

00:19:25.000 Back and forth here on Fox News, PlayCut 74.

00:19:28.000 Listen, the premise here from the chairman, Benny Thompson and Liz Cheney, is that we were on the brink of losing our democracy.

00:19:37.000 If anything, I think this testimony shows not only the Arizona House Speaker, all of the state officials, these officials in DOJ, who, again, were working for President Trump, stood up saying, We have an oath to the Constitution.

00:19:52.000 But if one of them had buckled, it would be a very different 100%, right?

00:19:56.000 Now, I refuse to attack Neil Cavuto.

00:19:58.000 He was very good to me early in my career.

00:20:00.000 I mean that he was very generous to me and had me on, and it was a big part of Turning Point USA growing.

00:20:05.000 But he's totally off base here, but I'm not going to attack Neil Cavuto.

00:20:09.000 Why is it that people are so fast and so quick to get into the narrative on the right?

00:20:19.000 Why is it that we were so quick on the right to believe everything that was being said?

00:20:24.000 For example, Cassidy Hutchinson said that she wrote a note of how Trump should respond to this.

00:20:34.000 That she wrote something in particular, but it turns out that she actually didn't write that note.

00:20:40.000 It turns out that the handwriting is somebody else's, and the note in question actually wasn't written by her.

00:20:46.000 Joe Pollack has eight bombshells from Hutchinson's testimony are all duds.

00:20:52.000 For example, she said that, well, Donald Trump knew about the risk of violence before January 6th.

00:20:58.000 Well, so did the president himself, which is why he approved the use of the National Guard to secure the Capitol beforehand.

00:21:04.000 And Nancy Pelosi declined the use of the National Guard, calling them stormtroopers.

00:21:10.000 So that's not a bombshell.

00:21:12.000 We're being told it's a bombshell, but it's a mockingbird media strategy to try to have us believe that it's something that it actually isn't.

00:21:21.000 This, how about this one?

00:21:22.000 White House counsel raised concerns about Trump's speech.

00:21:25.000 Well, we already knew that prior to that from prior testimony, though in a general sense, it is completely unremarkable.

00:21:31.000 The job of legal counsel is to raise concerns about almost every speech.

00:21:34.000 If you ever dealt with an in-house counsel, God bless them all.

00:21:38.000 But their job is to say no and to try to bring you down to a place where it is safe harbor.

00:21:46.000 And it's the entrepreneur or the speaker's job to push boundaries on that.

00:21:49.000 That's normal.

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00:23:42.000 It's a remarkable thing.

00:23:44.000 And again, it's one thing to do it once and then correct it.

00:23:48.000 I've been there, done that.

00:23:50.000 And then you grow and you learn and you say, I'm never going to fall for that again.

00:23:54.000 Praise God.

00:23:55.000 We didn't do that with lockdowns.

00:23:56.000 We didn't do that with COVID.

00:23:58.000 We didn't do that with vaccines, the Floyd stuff, the BLM stuff, the stimulus stuff, the massive spending bills.

00:24:04.000 At every turn, we made very bold predictions and stances against the regime narrative, which actually ended up to be true.

00:24:12.000 And you grow and you mature.

00:24:14.000 However, it seems as if there are people that used to have rather significant positions in our government that never learned this.

00:24:22.000 One of whom is a guy who is a very intelligent person.

00:24:25.000 No doubt.

00:24:26.000 He's probably far smarter when it comes to, obviously, legal expertise and the ability to write and communicate than I am. 1.00

00:24:34.000 But he's looking like a fool today. 0.99

00:24:37.000 And that is Andy McCarthy. 0.99

00:24:39.000 Andy McCarthy has been phenomenal on television on some things recently in the last couple years, but he immediately, instantaneously came out with this story.

00:24:49.000 By the way, as the story was starting to get debunked and unraveling, he still published this, which goes to show the bubble that he's living in.

00:24:57.000 That says, Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony against Trump is devastating.

00:25:02.000 Now, I hope you know who Andy McCarthy is.

00:25:05.000 Andy McCarthy is not just some sort of legal analyst, but he's become one.

00:25:09.000 He's not just some sort of columnist.

00:25:11.000 He served as the assistant United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York.

00:25:17.000 That's right.

00:25:18.000 As the assistant U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York.

00:25:22.000 So, for example, Andy McCarthy said, It's worse than America thought.

00:25:27.000 Even Americans with extraordinarily low expectations about the former president previously undisclosed behind-the-scenes behavior during the hours when the riot unfolded.

00:25:38.000 Skillfully led through a prosecutor-style direct examination by committee chairwoman Liz Cheney.

00:25:44.000 Hutchinson explained that Trump was a wild beast at the ellipse shortly before his gasoline on fire speech.

00:25:52.000 The security personnel had set up mags for entry into the area that thinned the throngs proximate to the podium where he'd be speaking.

00:26:00.000 Trump was ballistic because of the effect of the shot, the video image of the speech that would go to the world.

00:26:05.000 He wanted an overflowing crowd.

00:26:07.000 What's amazing, though, is Annie McCarthy is believing everything she's saying despite the multiple lies that have now been revealed.

00:26:16.000 I thought you were a prosecutor one day, man.

00:26:20.000 Didn't you used to do this for a living?

00:26:22.000 You don't just trust a witness.

00:26:24.000 You have to cross-examine them.

00:26:26.000 You have to try to poke holes in their argument.

00:26:29.000 You just don't take a cable news hearing and write an op-ed.

00:26:33.000 This is a recklessly irresponsible thing to do.

00:26:37.000 It's the same sort of behavior that smeared Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:26:40.000 It's the same behavior that smeared Nicholas Sandman.

00:26:43.000 It's the same behavior that made us believe Jussie Smollett.

00:26:46.000 It's the same behavior that made us believe Christine Ballzay Ford.

00:26:50.000 It's the same behavior that continues to indict the innocence of millions of people and just specifically the people I just mentioned.

00:27:02.000 Again, he's a super smart guy.

00:27:04.000 He was hired as a prosecutor in the Southern District and worked for the U.S. Attorney for the District Rudy Julian at the time.

00:27:10.000 He led the successful prosecution of Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman and 11 others for planning out and carrying out the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

00:27:18.000 Praise God.

00:27:19.000 I'm glad Andy McCarthy did that.

00:27:20.000 But what he's doing right here is preemptive and it's reckless.

00:27:26.000 He continues by saying here, in this piece, Hutchinson recounted that after numerous discussions among this White House staff and security officials, that it was settled, that Trump would not go to the Capitol, which is to say, underlings made the call without the boss.

00:27:39.000 The president would be on board.

00:27:41.000 Trump, however, did not care what his subordinate said.

00:27:43.000 He said, I'm the effing president.

00:27:45.000 Gliding on the energy of his ellipse speech, Trump told the throngs that they should be marching to the Capitol and that he'd be going with them.

00:27:51.000 Andy McCarthy does not mention that he said peacefully and patriotically.

00:27:56.000 The piece continues by repeating the lie that Donald Trump grabbed the agent, and it goes all the way through and it ends with this.

00:28:11.000 This is what we learned today.

00:28:12.000 Things will not be the same after this.

00:28:16.000 Why?

00:28:17.000 Why will things not be the same after this?

00:28:19.000 Yeah, I mean, they won't be the same where hopefully more people won't be duped by this sort of thing ever again.

00:28:26.000 But the media did what the media did, and it creates this echo chamber.

00:28:30.000 And it's reinforced.

00:28:32.000 And the echo chamber by the mockingbird media just intensifies.

00:28:36.000 By the way, we went through this with Bob Mueller.

00:28:38.000 We went through this with the first impeachment call, with a perfectly fine phone call with Ukraine. 0.97

00:28:42.000 We went through this at every single turn.

00:28:45.000 And yet we just kind of get back into this same, we get led down these rabbit holes that turn out not to be what we were told they were at all.

00:28:54.000 In fact, directly the opposite of what we were told.

00:28:58.000 Let's play this piece of tape here.

00:29:00.000 Let's go to Cut 75.

00:29:04.000 This testimony was very compelling from beginning to end.

00:29:08.000 She obviously had access to all of the players.

00:29:11.000 We are now hearing from the former president on various posts where he questions her accuracy.

00:29:19.000 He goes after her directly, says he doesn't know who she is and said he didn't lunge at the Secret Service agent in the beast.

00:29:27.000 Cassie Hutchinson is under oath on Capitol Hill.

00:29:31.000 The president is on Truth Social making his statements.

00:29:34.000 What is so compelling, I think, is how it was laid out.

00:29:39.000 But the testimony in and of itself is really, really powerful.

00:29:44.000 Thank you for reminding us, Brett, that she's under oath.

00:29:46.000 That only makes the possible penalty of what she just committed even greater.

00:29:50.000 Because now the Secret Service, who never comments on things publicly, says that's all a lie.

00:29:56.000 It's all a lie.

00:29:58.000 But it's not just Andy McCarthy.

00:29:59.000 It's also former Trump White House chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney.

00:30:06.000 I wrote the book, The MAGA Doctrine.

00:30:09.000 I'm a massive supporter of President Trump and what he got done.

00:30:14.000 But I believe the greatest and most legitimate kind of piece of frustration from the Trump administration is some of the snakes that were given platforms within the Trump White House.

00:30:28.000 I hear this from all of you.

00:30:29.000 You guys email me, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:30:31.000 I love Trump.

00:30:32.000 Why did he put these people into place?

00:30:34.000 Now, some of it is just, you have to fill all these positions.

00:30:36.000 Some of it, they lied to it.

00:30:38.000 If Trump gets a second term, he better get this sorted out.

00:30:40.000 I'm telling you what, I say this as someone who remains loyal and a massive fan.

00:30:45.000 Mick Mulvaney, former White House chief of staff, says, my guess is that before this is over, we'll be hearing testimony from Ornado, Engel, and Meadows.

00:30:56.000 This is explosive stuff.

00:30:57.000 If Cassidy is making this up, they'll need to say that.

00:31:00.000 If she isn't, they'll have to corroborate.

00:31:02.000 I know her.

00:31:03.000 I don't think she is lying.

00:31:04.000 Immediately playing into it.

00:31:06.000 And where does Mick Mulvaney now work?

00:31:10.000 Works for CBS News.

00:31:13.000 His new employer is CBS News.

00:31:18.000 Look, very weak people with miserable personal lives. 0.53

00:31:24.000 They just seem to be so quick to go sell themselves out.

00:31:32.000 And now you have, and it's very hard to backtrack all of this now because you have all this testimony and this hoopla, and some people don't go as deep as they should.

00:31:41.000 And now we have to spend literally our entire hour we now have to spend on this, cross-examining it and all of this.

00:31:48.000 And a lot of it is a waste of time.

00:31:50.000 It is.

00:31:50.000 It's not something I don't want to have to spend all this time going through, was Donald Trump in the beast or was he in the SUV?

00:31:56.000 It's not a good use of anybody's time, including yours.

00:31:59.000 We have a wide open southern border.

00:32:01.000 We have parents being called domestic terrorists by our government.

00:32:04.000 We have an experimental gene therapy that is being called a vaccine that is being pushed on six-month-year-olds.

00:32:09.000 We have still massive hyperinflation.

00:32:13.000 We have a proxy war going in Ukraine, which is not, we're not, it's not happening what we're being told happening.

00:32:17.000 We have Republicans that very well might sell us out on immigration.

00:32:20.000 We're going to get on that story as well.

00:32:23.000 But now we have to spend all this time on whether or not Donald Trump threw food on a wall.

00:32:32.000 That's right.

00:32:33.000 That's the new piece of accusation.

00:32:35.000 Play cut 76.

00:32:37.000 Around the time that I understand the AP article went live, I remember hearing noise coming from down the hallway.

00:32:46.000 So I poked my head out of the office and I saw the valet walking towards our office.

00:32:53.000 After Mark had returned, I left the office and went down to the dining room.

00:32:57.000 And I noticed that the door was propped open and the valet was inside the dining room changing the tablecloth off of the dining room table.

00:33:05.000 He motioned for me to come in and then pointed towards the front of the room near the fireplace mantle and the TV where I first noticed there was ketchup dripping down the wall and there's a shattered porcelain plate on the floor.

00:33:21.000 The valet had articulated that the president was extremely angry at the Attorney General's AP interview and had thrown his lunch against the wall.

00:33:36.000 Ketchup dripping down the wall.

00:33:39.000 Not quite a blue dress, but it happens to be the same room.

00:33:47.000 Ketchup dripping down the wall.

00:33:49.000 Impeach him.

00:33:50.000 Are the American people moved by this?

00:33:55.000 MSNBC, why Cassidy Hutchinson's January 6th testimony blew the roof off Trump's defense?

00:34:01.000 We don't know what Trump's defense is.

00:34:03.000 This has been completely one-sided.

00:34:05.000 There has been no cross-examination as the great Jonathan Turley.

00:34:09.000 And to defend Jonathan Turley, he's been excellent.

00:34:12.000 I don't know what he did yesterday, but I didn't see anything out of him.

00:34:15.000 Been very impressed with Jonathan Turley, where he said, Boy, I would have made for a great prosecutor if I never had to have defense attorneys in the room.

00:34:22.000 That's a great quote.

00:34:24.000 Now, according to Google Trends, the only place yesterday where the interest in the January 6th committee outweighed gas prices was in Washington, D.C. Gas prices and gasoline is the number one issue for Google Trends, not total, but weighed against other political issues.

00:34:45.000 Only in the kingdom, only in Washington, D.C., was what happened yesterday bombshell news.

00:34:54.000 I can tell you right now, people are worried about paying their bills.

00:34:56.000 They're worried about the quality of their kids' education.

00:34:59.000 They're worried about CRT and transgenderism being taught to their five, six, or seven-year-old.

00:35:05.000 Not worried about whether or not Donald Trump threw a hamburger against the wall and ketchup dripped down the walls.

00:35:14.000 Nor are they moved by any sort of story that says, Yeah, Donald Trump tried to hijack the beast, which is impossible, despite the fact he was also not even in the beast.

00:35:24.000 He was in the SUV, separate vehicle, separate mode of transportation for a president.

00:35:29.000 So, Mick Mulvaney, you have Andy McCarthy rushing to judgment.

00:35:36.000 Now, I do want to make one point here that is a positive.

00:35:39.000 And I am not a fan of social media at all.

00:35:42.000 I've deleted all social media apps off my phone.

00:35:44.000 I get most of my information directly from Telegram.

00:35:47.000 Telegram is great because there's no filter, no BS.

00:35:49.000 You get the links, you can look at it directly, none of that nonsense.

00:35:52.000 However, I do want to say one thing that's a positive of social media.

00:35:57.000 If we did not have social media yesterday in particular, this narrative would have gone completely unchecked.

00:36:04.000 It would have been incredibly difficult for us to be able to get the information into the zeitgeist and cross-examine it as quickly as we did.

00:36:12.000 Social media allowed millions of people, patriots, that said, this doesn't sound right.

00:36:17.000 This isn't right.

00:36:18.000 He wasn't in the beast.

00:36:19.000 And amazingly, it was this small D democratized operation where people in their basement or people on their porch enjoying a cup of coffee.

00:36:31.000 For example, someone literally went and found the C-SPAN feed and found out that Trump wasn't in the Beast that day.

00:36:38.000 That wasn't CBS.

00:36:39.000 That wasn't ABC.

00:36:40.000 That wasn't MSNBC.

00:36:41.000 They didn't decide to do any of that work.

00:36:43.000 No, it was probably just some guy in the porch that tweeted out, like, hey, I just went to the C-SPAN feed and Trump wasn't in the Beast.

00:36:50.000 The Secret Service comes out immediately.

00:36:52.000 That gets amplified and it starts to go out.

00:36:54.000 And now this morning, when I watched some of the news, completely different tone.

00:36:59.000 All of a sudden, the news is saying, Hey, the Secret Service is debunking this part.

00:37:03.000 Hey, they're saying you actually didn't write this note.

00:37:05.000 Hey, they're saying you actually weren't in the room for this.

00:37:07.000 That's what the power of cross-examination is.

00:37:11.000 You see, when you're not able to cross-examine witnesses, everybody sounds terrific.

00:37:16.000 It sounds unquestioned.

00:37:19.000 The founders gave us a process to be able to handle this, and we've just thrown that completely and totally out the window.

00:37:25.000 But I am really encouraged.

00:37:28.000 I think it's a phenomenal and positive development at how the conservative movement, especially online, and many of you are doing this.

00:37:35.000 You find a narrative and you say, I don't remember that.

00:37:39.000 And that's why when I tell you, email me, freedom at charliekirk.com, you might remember something, you might see something, you might hear a story, and then you could get it to me, and we can get it out to millions.

00:37:48.000 And all of a sudden, we're more agile.

00:37:50.000 We are now, we have a direct connection to the people, and we have the collective brain power of millions of patriots to be able to debunk this stuff in real time with the actual access to technology to be able to communicate to millions of people in real time.

00:38:06.000 If it was, if we were just reliant on NBC, ABC, and CBS News and Andy McCarthy, we would just be like, wow, what a testimony.

00:38:13.000 Donald Trump tried to hijack the car.

00:38:15.000 That's bad.

00:38:16.000 Wow.

00:38:18.000 And then we'd have to send out those tweets that always send out where it says, you know, I voted for Donald Trump.

00:38:25.000 However, this is a deeply concerning testimony that is worthy of further examination.

00:38:30.000 I denounce this.

00:38:31.000 This is like repulsive, vomit-inducing tweets from the weak-kneed, low-testosterone, center-right media apparatus, which is always like, I'm such a good person because I've never tried to hijack the beast.

00:38:44.000 It's like, actually, that's all a lie.

00:38:47.000 And you, when you communicate, when you watch the news, I want to encourage you and tell you and empower you that it's actually the grassroots that are helping counter a lot of these narratives.

00:38:58.000 They come up with a narrative and they now have to come against the millions of patriots that can fact-check them, cross-examine them, and actually have memories of things that used to happen.

00:39:12.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

00:39:13.000 Email me your thoughts.

00:39:14.000 As always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:39:15.000 Thank you so much for listening.

00:39:17.000 God bless.

00:39:20.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk. com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - June 29, 2022

We Need to Talk About Cassidy Hutchinson...

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