The Charlie Kirk Show - What Do You Really Know About Marijuana?

00:00:00.000 Okay, everybody, on the Charlie Kirk Show, what do you know about marijuana?

00:00:03.000 What do you know about the marijuana referendum?

00:00:06.000 We have a conversation with an expert, John Redman.

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00:01:39.000 Okay, everybody, we have a great guest, lots to talk about.

00:01:42.000 John Redman from the Community Alliances for Drug-Free Youth, Connecting People and Changing Communities.

00:01:48.000 I think I got that right, didn't I?

00:01:50.000 Excellent.

00:01:51.000 Welcome to the program, John.

00:01:52.000 Please introduce yourself.

00:01:53.000 I'm John Redman.

00:01:54.000 I'm the Executive Director for CADFI, as you said.

00:01:58.000 I also work on global drug policy at the UN, at the CND.

00:02:03.000 I have consultative status there, and we work Internationally, as well as around the country.

00:02:10.000 I want to talk about the W.H.L., I want to talk about all that.

00:02:12.000 Sure.

00:02:13.000 Talk about the mission statement of your organization first, creating alliances for drug-free youth.

00:02:19.000 Yeah, so CAFI came out, grew out of the parent movement in the early 80s, and it was created as an advocacy group to deal with policy that supported youth.

00:02:34.000 You know, at the UN, they certainly have a number of treaties, but one of the treaties is the Convention on the Rights of the Child.

00:02:40.000 And what that convention says is that children have rights, they have human rights, they have the right not to be sold into slavery, pushed into prostitution, they have the right to an education, health care, all of that stuff.

00:02:55.000 And that's what Article 3 says.

00:02:57.000 They have these rights.

00:02:58.000 Children have rights.

00:02:59.000 And it's up to adults to ensure those rights, because they rarely have a voice and never have a vote.

00:03:05.000 But Article 33 says they have the right to grow up drug-free.

00:03:09.000 And when you create any policy that's for adults but against children, you put children first. 0.97

00:03:16.000 And that's what the UN espouses.

00:03:20.000 They should espouse.

00:03:22.000 Should.

00:03:23.000 Is drug usage going up with America's youth versus where it was 30 years ago?

00:03:29.000 Absolutely.

00:03:29.000 The biggest issue is potency.

00:03:32.000 In 1960, the potency of marijuana was 1% THC.

00:03:34.000 1% THC. By 1985, you're looking at about 5% THC. Today, what is THC for audience?

00:03:44.000 Tetrahydrocannabinol.

00:03:45.000 It's the active ingredient, the cannabinoid that gets you high.

00:03:48.000 So the potency goes up.

00:03:50.000 Now it's around, average is 17.

00:03:53.000 The high is probably around 32%.

00:03:57.000 But all that's blown away because the concentrates are at, just a few years ago they were at 60%.

00:04:04.000 The National Marijuana Initiative out of the high-intensity drug trafficking area just did a conference and they announced it was up to 99% THC content.

00:04:15.000 When you look at Dr. Daryl Inaba, he was the co-founder of the Haight-Ashbury Free Clinic, who was against legalization.

00:04:24.000 He said, John, in 1985, Before that we didn't have addiction to marijuana.

00:04:30.000 By then, which was only five percent, four to five percent average, he said I had a hundred people a month come into my clinic addicted to marijuana.

00:04:41.000 But we're told that it's not chemically addictive.

00:04:44.000 Oh, it's absolutely chemically addictive, especially as that potency increases.

00:04:49.000 Is that a technical term?

00:04:50.000 Meaning, chemically addictive, they mean it doesn't create bonds like cocaine does, but meaning you still will form an addictive type of attachment to the substance.

00:05:01.000 Right.

00:05:01.000 Well, before that, you could stop and you wouldn't have those withdrawals.

00:05:06.000 Correct, that's what I'm getting at, yes.

00:05:08.000 You do now.

00:05:08.000 Because of the higher...

00:05:11.000 So, if and when marijuana is legalized, is the THC levels disclosed to the purchaser or the buyer, or is it regulated at all?

00:05:21.000 Well, that's a large question.

00:05:23.000 First of all, states have tried to regulate, but they really haven't.

00:05:27.000 There's more regulation in Ben and Jerry's ice cream than in any state regulation of marijuana.

00:05:32.000 Really?

00:05:33.000 Well, they don't have the purview.

00:05:35.000 Who regulates drugs? 0.69

00:05:38.000 Food and drugs?

00:05:39.000 That's the FDA.

00:05:40.000 That's a national regulation.

00:05:42.000 That the federal government puts on states.

00:05:46.000 Every state has some type of, for alcohol, they have a bureau.

00:05:50.000 They're all required to have a bureau of law enforcement and control to do nothing but alcohol control.

00:05:58.000 They don't have that for marijuana.

00:06:00.000 And marijuana is a drug of addiction.

00:06:02.000 Alcohol, tobacco, marijuana.

00:06:05.000 But it's not being treated the same because it's being introduced into states Through corporate greed, through the initiative process, like in Florida currently.

00:06:15.000 I want to get into that.

00:06:16.000 So, drug usage, let's just say for kids, 12 years old to 18 years old.

00:06:23.000 Right.

00:06:25.000 That's when I used to think when drug usage was experimented.

00:06:27.000 What is the average age of the introduction to drugs now?

00:06:31.000 The average age of onset for marijuana is 12 years of age.

00:06:34.000 Okay, so I'm about right.

00:06:36.000 Is that younger than it used to be?

00:06:38.000 It's not younger than it used to be, but it's increased more than it used to be.

00:06:42.000 So more people are using marijuana than they used to?

00:06:45.000 Yeah, the people who use marijuana the most are between the ages of 12 to 26, really 25, 26.

00:06:50.000 It really drops off after that.

00:06:55.000 Because people start to get into the world and have other issues.

00:07:00.000 I have to pick up dog poop every day.

00:07:02.000 So there you go.

00:07:04.000 So one of the mythologies that we were told is that with legalization, black markets would disappear.

00:07:13.000 Is that correct?

00:07:14.000 Absolutely not.

00:07:15.000 Look, we had prohibition of alcohol, right?

00:07:19.000 And they talk about the mafia and all of that during Prohibition.

00:07:23.000 When Prohibition ended, the mafia didn't end.

00:07:27.000 We still had the mafia well after.

00:07:28.000 Jimmy Hoffa in the 60s, the Teflon Don in the 80s.

00:07:32.000 It didn't go away.

00:07:33.000 And it's certainly not gone away with marijuana.

00:07:37.000 It's a huge myth.

00:07:39.000 So, like, for example, a 14-year-old at Scottsdale High School here, down the street, they're still getting marijuana.

00:07:46.000 Are they getting it passed down through somebody buying at a dispenser getting to them, or is there another black market that they're getting the marijuana from?

00:07:53.000 Both.

00:07:53.000 And the black market is still robust.

00:07:55.000 As a matter of fact, the Haida director, once it was passed in 2012 in Colorado, said, We're not going to be able to stop this.

00:08:04.000 We're going to have problems.

00:08:05.000 Before it was legal, we didn't have Mexican cartels in the United States.

00:08:11.000 We had drug trafficking organizations.

00:08:13.000 We had mules, but we didn't have cartels.

00:08:15.000 Drug trafficking organizations are family-oriented, so one drug trafficking organization doesn't go after the uncle of another.

00:08:25.000 Drug cartels, they don't care about that. 0.98

00:08:27.000 After it was passed, The Rocky Mountain HIDTA out of Denver was reporting drug

00:08:36.000 traffic, drug cartels in Colorado and now it's out of control. So it's

00:08:40.000 fair to say that with the legalization usage has gone up across the board. Right.

00:08:46.000 Look at California, the use rates in... Tell us the numbers.

00:08:51.000 Off the top of my head, the numbers in California for youth use has doubled out of the national average.

00:08:58.000 So for those who say it doesn't affect, it's not true.

00:09:03.000 And it's not just use rates.

00:09:05.000 Look at poison control in California.

00:09:08.000 When you look at, I think around 2010, you had 15 calls into the poison control for kids five years and younger.

00:09:17.000 In 2021, it was 798 just for five-year-olds.

00:09:19.000 20 it was 798 just for five-year-olds so this is because you've got gummy bears

00:09:30.000 laced with THC and and those kids are when parents go to the bathroom or

00:09:36.000 whatever and it's on the coffee table they're eating them They don't know the difference between a candy gummy bear and a pot gummy bear.

00:09:43.000 So we are told, though, that marijuana helps with anxiety, depression.

00:09:48.000 If that's the case in somebody who's using drugs, why are they more anxious and depressed than ever?

00:09:53.000 Because marijuana doesn't help with anxiety and depression.

00:09:55.000 No, of course not.

00:09:57.000 I know.

00:09:59.000 It actually creates anxiety, it creates depression.

00:10:02.000 As a matter of fact, we now have studies that show that marijuana increases early on stage psychosis and schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.

00:10:16.000 You get marijuana at that high THC content, you've got some mental health issues.

00:10:20.000 Back to the really quick about the lacing.

00:10:23.000 So we were told that the lacing market would disappear when legalization occurred, but there's more lacing than ever.

00:10:30.000 Well, yes, there's lacing with fentanyl and other drugs.

00:10:33.000 Because we were told that legalization will at least make drug usage safe.

00:10:36.000 Yes, that hasn't happened because there's no real way to regulate.

00:10:40.000 As a matter of fact, they took all of that, the ability for law enforcement to deal with that issue.

00:10:46.000 It's not there.

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00:11:51.000 Just an interesting historical nugget to emphasize for a second here, which is you mentioned prohibition.

00:11:57.000 What led to prohibition and what happened during it?

00:12:01.000 What led to prohibition was the United States had a problem.

00:12:05.000 Germany was drinking beer.

00:12:07.000 France was drinking wine.

00:12:08.000 We were drinking full, 100-proof Kentucky corn-fed whiskey.

00:12:12.000 Yeah, you can thank the Appalachians for that.

00:12:14.000 The Scots.

00:12:15.000 Yeah, so this wasn't 9% alcohol.

00:12:18.000 This was 100-proof.

00:12:21.000 And we had an addiction problem, just like the potency problem in marijuana.

00:12:27.000 The same thing happened here.

00:12:29.000 We had higher and higher increases of potency.

00:12:32.000 By 1840, people were talking about abstinence.

00:12:34.000 P.T.

00:12:35.000 Barnum was one of those outspoken people, and so they were talking about prohibition.

00:12:40.000 You'd think it was only a few years before.

00:12:42.000 It was decades before.

00:12:45.000 And they were talking about it was supposed to eliminate spirits.

00:12:48.000 That didn't happen.

00:12:49.000 The temperance movement came in at the end and wanted the prohibition of not only spirits but also beer and wine.

00:12:58.000 And that took away an entire culture where men brought in their sons to introduce them to the community. 0.63

00:13:06.000 As men, politicians went to speak out to get votes and people mostly Cash their checks at bars, not at banks back then.

00:13:16.000 And all of that, that whole culture went away, and it was very difficult.

00:13:21.000 What happened during Prohibition?

00:13:23.000 Was there anything good that happened during Prohibition?

00:13:25.000 Yeah, people talk about, you know, well, it wasn't a success.

00:13:28.000 Well, it depends on how you look at it.

00:13:33.000 From a public health standpoint, it was an absolute success.

00:13:37.000 And also from some civil issues as well.

00:13:39.000 You know, you had child abandonment that went down to almost nothing.

00:13:44.000 You had divorce rates that went down.

00:13:45.000 You also had cirrhosis of the liver was almost nothing.

00:13:49.000 So you look at it from a public health point of view, it was an absolute success.

00:13:52.000 Whether it was popular or not, because of that cultural issue where it was just crossing the line, that was another issue.

00:13:59.000 So now, fast forward to today's time.

00:14:01.000 That's a very important topic.

00:14:02.000 We can talk about that.

00:14:04.000 Let's talk about the actual substance as it is, marijuana, which some people have, as you mentioned, a multi-decade-old view of what pot is, saying, oh, it makes a little high, not a big deal, might as well legalize it.

00:14:19.000 What other potential health negative outcomes are we seeing broadly because of the overusage of marijuana?

00:14:27.000 Well, first of all, in terms of the plant, we have to recognize that there are over 70 cannabinoids within the marijuana plant, like THC, like CBD, and there's others that we don't know about and what they do.

00:14:39.000 Certainly THC has been researched a lot, and CBD, but what do the others do?

00:14:45.000 And we are finding out, one of the issues with the World Health Organization, they were trying to take it off the The scheduling and put it into the same level as as vitamins and They were saying CBD is benign.

00:15:02.000 Well, it isn't it has a lot of problems in terms of sleep disorders upset stomach dizziness a number of issues but under the FDA in terms of the research of CBD and GW Pharmaceuticals has gone through the FDA to create a medication with the FDA's approval and one of the things that they found out within their clinical trials was there was 10% of their patients were getting toxicity levels within the liver.

00:15:33.000 If you're going to a doctor under a clinical situation, that's fine because you can run lab tests and find out and adjust, but you're not going to do that through marijuana as a commodity where you have CBD and in office water that they're selling out in the strip mall.

00:15:52.000 That's not happening.

00:15:53.000 There isn't a regulation to that, and there are side effects.

00:15:57.000 So what do you have to say to then the people who say, okay, let's legalize it and then create a Bureau of Marijuana Transparency like we do with liquor?

00:16:05.000 Would that solve the problem?

00:16:06.000 Well, you're going to have to do that through the federal government.

00:16:08.000 You're not going to do that through states because they don't have the research doctors, the lab technicians, the calibrations, the machinery.

00:16:18.000 None of that exists at a state level.

00:16:20.000 And you're going to have to deal with that through the United Nations, because we've signed a treaty with them.

00:16:25.000 So if that were to happen, then would it solve any of those issues, you think?

00:16:31.000 Well, what will happen?

00:16:33.000 The question then becomes, are we going to treat it like alcohol and tobacco as a commodity, or are we going to treat it like a medication?

00:16:40.000 That's the first conversation that we should have.

00:16:43.000 They say that states were going to treat it like a medication, and they haven't.

00:16:47.000 Not a single one has done that.

00:16:49.000 And so now you have these problems.

00:16:52.000 We have one of the most tightly regulated drug regulation systems in the world, and yet still we've had problems with that, which we're able to resolve, like the opioid crisis, the pill mills and stuff in Florida, but we're not even having those conversations on marijuana.

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00:18:19.000 Walk us through the ballot initiatives that we are seeing in these states.

00:18:22.000 Yeah, you know, I've been out of that for a while, about six years, but I was asked to go back because Florida was looking at it, and so they have Amendment 3.

00:18:31.000 I see the whole ballot initiative process is flawed.

00:18:36.000 It's problematic.

00:18:38.000 And it really doesn't get you you're voting on something that I think is crucial and critical and you're voting on

00:18:44.000 it from you know Bumper sticker marketing, that's the problem

00:18:48.000 In in Colorado, I'm not Colorado in Florida that got amendment three. It's four pages

00:18:55.000 How can you?

00:18:57.000 solve the problems through a constitutional amendment where the

00:19:02.000 Corporations that wrote it mostly one corporation is backing it that that pulls out every single

00:19:09.000 criminal and civil liability out of it Bars don't have that.

00:19:14.000 You know, if you over-serve someone and they go out and have an accident, that bartender in the bar has some liability to that.

00:19:23.000 Is that right?

00:19:24.000 In Florida, zero.

00:19:26.000 Their liability is gone.

00:19:27.000 Plus, in four pages, which is all the Amendment 3 is, So, how do you talk about the regulations?

00:19:34.000 How are you going to grow it?

00:19:35.000 When?

00:19:35.000 Where?

00:19:36.000 What pesticides can you use or not use?

00:19:39.000 The fertilizers?

00:19:40.000 How do you transport it?

00:19:41.000 A point of sale?

00:19:42.000 Hours?

00:19:43.000 Location?

00:19:44.000 Age restrictions?

00:19:45.000 And how do you deal with that and ensure that?

00:19:48.000 None of that is happening in that amendment, other than the fact that corporations get off on liability.

00:19:55.000 So, what company is pushing for this?

00:19:58.000 My understanding is that it's Trulief that's there. 1.00

00:20:02.000 They just announced, I believe, that they put in an additional $10 million.

00:20:07.000 They had put in $60 million, is the number that I heard last week.

00:20:12.000 I think their total was $66 million.

00:20:17.000 $60 million of it came from Trulief and they just put in another $10 million.

00:20:22.000 That's $70 million that they've put into that.

00:20:24.000 Why?

00:20:24.000 Because they care about the people?

00:20:26.000 Or because there's some corporate greed that they know that they're going to get it back?

00:20:29.000 And is it fair to say that their business model is they succeed when young people get addicted?

00:20:36.000 Sure.

00:20:36.000 If you take a look at the tobacco industry, their model was, and through the Master Settlement Agreement, which there was a whistleblower that found out the tobacco industry, they were absolutely targeting youth because the younger you can get somebody to use, the more likely they are to be addicted.

00:20:55.000 If you can get them to not use up until age 25, where the brain is fully formed, you have a 95% chance that they'll never be addicted because they'll never use.

00:21:07.000 So that's the model from the tobacco industry.

00:21:09.000 The model from the alcohol industry is, for example, there's eight times the liquor stores in minority communities, in African-American communities, and in white communities.

00:21:20.000 Why?

00:21:20.000 Because they know they don't have the $50,000 to get them to the Betty Ford Clinic.

00:21:24.000 so that they can get off of it.

00:21:27.000 So the alcohol industry has targeted minority communities.

00:21:31.000 And in Colorado, in Denver, the same thing has happened.

00:21:35.000 Denver Post put out a map where all the weed stores were.

00:21:39.000 States that have legalized, has crime gone up or down?

00:21:44.000 That's hard to tell because it's very difficult to connect marijuana usage to crime or anything

00:21:53.000 It's very difficult to do that.

00:21:56.000 Colorado tried to do that.

00:21:58.000 They couldn't connect the two, but crime went up.

00:22:01.000 They tried to connect it to marijuana and just weren't able to.

00:22:06.000 What does the society look like after there is legalization?

00:22:10.000 Well, it was funny.

00:22:13.000 I was asked to do a class.

00:22:16.000 There were a number of agents that came down, did certain classes while I was at the Haida.

00:22:20.000 I'm still there, but not in that capacity.

00:22:22.000 But they were, in Washington State and in Oregon, that they were pushing for that and also the And there was one person that was there that he had a grow there.

00:22:40.000 It was legal for him.

00:22:42.000 And a motorcycle gang came in and said, we're going to buy all your crop.

00:22:48.000 And he said, that's great.

00:22:49.000 He goes, but we're going to pay this amount.

00:22:50.000 He goes, that's not even a tenth of the value of it.

00:22:53.000 And he goes, well, it's ours.

00:22:55.000 He went up and turned himself in.

00:22:56.000 And they said, fine.

00:22:58.000 Tell us who.

00:23:00.000 What the issue is and he wouldn't do it.

00:23:03.000 So they had nothing to hold him on.

00:23:06.000 And so all of that.

00:23:08.000 So he became a target of that as well as people who've had farms up in the Green Triangle up in California.

00:23:20.000 People come in and say, hey, you know, we want to give you six figures to grow marijuana.

00:23:24.000 They're all in suits, but the people that come to grow is not.

00:23:28.000 And they're pushing people, people five generations in their farm, they're leaving.

00:23:32.000 It's changing the very nature of that.

00:23:35.000 And the farmers, you know, that have kids on there, they're coming to school laced with THC.

00:23:45.000 And one of the clinical child psychiatrists had to go to the school to come up with a system where they had to keep their winter parkas and their backpacks outside so that they didn't come into the classroom.

00:24:02.000 Changed the whole face of it.

00:24:03.000 So, you've been in this space for a while.

00:24:05.000 Just remind our audience your biography and why you're such an advocate for kids not getting addicted to drugs.

00:24:12.000 Yeah, I was in the entertainment business for 20 years and the more and more that I was moving up the ladder and producing, I wasn't with my family and I just answered an ad and it was for this coalition dealing with drug prevention and it was housed at the high-intensity drug trafficking area.

00:24:35.000 And they had a small part, 5% of what they did was in that HIDTA.

00:24:41.000 Each HIDTA, there are 32 HIDTAs in the country.

00:24:44.000 It's out of the Federal Government Office of National Drug Control Policy, a program out of that.

00:24:50.000 And they asked me to take over their program, so I did.

00:24:53.000 And then, you know, it started to expand.

00:24:57.000 The drug czar at the time came through and saw what we were doing and at the National Haida meeting he said, I want everyone to do what John's doing in San Diego.

00:25:06.000 So it just kind of expanded in that way.

00:25:08.000 And what were you doing in San Diego?

00:25:11.000 We were bringing in unlikely partners that normally law enforcement didn't bring in.

00:25:18.000 We were bringing in the African-American community, African-American bishops that had problems and having them sit down with law enforcement.

00:25:26.000 In a way that they had never talked before.

00:25:28.000 You know, medical doctors, schools, communities.

00:25:33.000 That's what the Safe and Drug-Free Schools and Communities Act was all about.

00:25:38.000 That Joe Biden signed, but I haven't seen any care about that since.

00:25:44.000 Out of his administration, I think that we need to get back to that coalition, that community work that we can bring people together and partner them with law enforcement and really make a difference.

00:25:56.000 You say here we have a profound responsibility to support sound drug policy that will explicitly protect our youth.

00:26:02.000 Sure.

00:26:02.000 Why is it that voters continually vote for these referendums?

00:26:07.000 Why is it so popular considering the carnage it's doing to our country?

00:26:11.000 Because I think there's a myth out there about marijuana that's a benign drug, that it's not addictive, that it's not harmful.

00:26:18.000 And that may be true in the 1960s.

00:26:21.000 That went away in the 80s, and today it's certainly not true.

00:26:25.000 And the facts about it I don't think are being put out very well and that's why I get on as many shows as possible to let people know this is the reality.

00:26:37.000 So why is it, is this also a failure of parenting too?

00:26:41.000 It seems parents are completely indifferent about their kids doing drugs.

00:26:45.000 You know, I certainly think that parents need to be more involved in their kids.

00:26:50.000 I have two girls, and I was very involved in their lives.

00:26:56.000 And there's always a time, usually around middle school, where they start to talk, and they want to push you away, but that's when you've got to be closer.

00:27:05.000 So, yeah, I think parents need to be more involved.

00:27:07.000 But also, you know, remember, they're at school eight hours a day, and then we get them four hours in the evening.

00:27:14.000 Well, unless you homeschool.

00:27:16.000 Unless you homeschool.

00:27:17.000 And if you don't, then, you know.

00:27:19.000 You should.

00:27:20.000 So it's, you know, they're out there, and we've got to take a look at all of those issues.

00:27:25.000 And we can't just blindly go down this road by dealing with crazy policies that turn into laws that then hurt the youth.

00:27:36.000 We're supposed to protect our youth.

00:27:39.000 We're the ones that have that.

00:27:41.000 It's incumbent upon us to do so.

00:27:43.000 In an ideal world, what laws would you like to see passed to help solve this?

00:27:49.000 I'd like to see the commodity part, treating marijuana as a commodity, pulled back to the beginning.

00:27:59.000 Whether that's possible or not, I think that's what it should do.

00:28:04.000 We'll continue to look at some pretty profound possibilities in terms of the FDA-regulated cannabis medications.

00:28:15.000 There's some real good things that are coming out in terms of neurological disorders and may go on to muscular dystrophy or multiple sclerosis.

00:28:27.000 Certainly Dravet syndrome, epilepsy in youth.

00:28:30.000 I'm very excited about that, but then handling it and turning it over to corporations that are actually sitting at the table creating the regulations and the policies once those policies are passed.

00:28:45.000 That doesn't happen in the alcohol industry or the tobacco industry.

00:28:48.000 It certainly happens now because we're not having those nuanced conversations.

00:28:53.000 Yeah, because we're legislating by bumper sticker.

00:28:58.000 Bumper stickers.

00:29:00.000 By majority wins.

00:29:03.000 And yet we're supposed to look at it through the rule of law.

00:29:09.000 What's the best for all?

00:29:11.000 That's not happening.

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00:31:08.000 So tell us about the WHO.

00:31:10.000 Well, you know, I was looking to scale down as I got older and some of the work that I was doing.

00:31:19.000 And I thought in 2017 I wasn't going to do the UN stuff anymore.

00:31:25.000 And someone called me up and said, John, in 2016 they're looking to do something.

00:31:30.000 I don't know what it is, but we need you to go there.

00:31:32.000 And I'm like, I'm not doing that anymore.

00:31:34.000 But I went ahead and then I saw, I heard some rumbles and then it came out that the UN was taking a look and trying to review marijuana as how it matched to the drug conventions.

00:31:47.000 And what I saw was pretty shocking.

00:31:51.000 And one of the things they said was they did six issues that they were putting out.

00:31:58.000 None of them were very good, but the fifth issue was to take CBD, move it out of the schedule, and put it on the shelves just like vitamins, but allow 2% THC as an adulterant in there.

00:32:16.000 And they said that that was because of the research that GW Pharmaceuticals was doing.

00:32:21.000 That's what they had allowed.

00:32:23.000 So I had known them for about a decade.

00:32:26.000 I called them up and I said, is this true?

00:32:27.000 And they went, absolutely not.

00:32:29.000 It is not true.

00:32:30.000 This is what it is.

00:32:32.000 Going through the FDA, we were at not 0.2, but 0.15.

00:32:35.000 So they rounded up.

00:32:39.000 But then the FDA said, you know, 0.15 is too much.

00:32:45.000 You're going to have to go to 0.10.

00:32:48.000 That was the active ingredient.

00:32:51.000 But as you know, in NyQuil, you're going to have an active ingredient that's diluted.

00:32:57.000 The active ingredient was diluted another tenfold.

00:32:59.000 So they were looking at 20 times the amount of THC to be allowed in a new treaty at the UN than what

00:33:11.000 the FDA said was safe.

00:33:13.000 And I said, we'll talk to them.

00:33:16.000 They did.

00:33:17.000 And nothing happened.

00:33:18.000 So I went and talked to them.

00:33:19.000 And they went, uh-huh, like blind stares and kept going.

00:33:23.000 And then they presented it.

00:33:25.000 And I presented the counterargument.

00:33:28.000 And it took two years.

00:33:30.000 And the more and more that came out, the more and more they held steadfastly.

00:33:35.000 It was the strangest thing.

00:33:37.000 Even Russia said, where are you getting this information from?

00:33:41.000 Where's your research on this?

00:33:43.000 And they said, well, you know, we'll get you that next time.

00:33:47.000 So next meeting came up.

00:33:48.000 I was there.

00:33:49.000 Russia said, where's the information?

00:33:51.000 They said, well, put it in writing.

00:33:53.000 They said, excuse me?

00:33:56.000 So they came to the next meeting, and they said, OK, we put it in writing.

00:33:58.000 They said, well, we already gave it to you in our original document, which wasn't there.

00:34:03.000 It was the most bizarre thing.

00:34:07.000 When it came down to it, of the six issues that they presented, Only one, which was a political win for them, passed.

00:34:15.000 Everything else was voted no.

00:34:17.000 And the one that I put forth, it was, you know, these were votes that were, you know, like five countries that swung the vote.

00:34:27.000 This one, 37 swung the vote that said no on 5.5.

00:34:31.000 Meaning, if you educate people, let them know what's really going on, they'll do the right thing.

00:34:37.000 Are you hopeful for any sort of reformation at the W.H.L.?

00:34:40.000 Because it seems like they've lost all credibility.

00:34:44.000 I'm not.

00:34:47.000 You know, I could never get a straight answer.

00:34:48.000 I even asked them, you know, you're using language that isn't even the treaty.

00:34:52.000 It's vague.

00:34:53.000 What about specifics?

00:34:55.000 And they just kind of blindly move forward.

00:34:59.000 In closing here, John, let's just recap the referendums that are up.

00:35:02.000 What states have the marijuana referendums?

00:35:04.000 Florida?

00:35:05.000 Florida.

00:35:06.000 I don't know the other ones currently because I was asked to take a look at the Florida one, and that's the one I know about.

00:35:12.000 But there's always ones that they're pushing.

00:35:16.000 Florida seems to be the worst because I mean it it takes away all liability puts

00:35:21.000 it in a constitute in the Florida Constitution that's very would be very

00:35:25.000 difficult to change anything that and it would be the most liberal marijuana law

00:35:30.000 in our country and no restrictions whatsoever none that I can see I would

00:35:36.000 Well, I mean, they have certain restrictions that are, you know, like three ounces, which is a bizarre amount.

00:35:42.000 That's more than any other state.

00:35:45.000 So, you know, and then you look at the states that have passed it.

00:35:47.000 You look at Oregon, you look at Washington.

00:35:49.000 Oregon, they went even further and legalized or decriminalized all drugs.

00:35:55.000 And within a few years, they had to rescind that.

00:36:02.000 Oregon is 50th in terms of treatment in the United States.

00:36:06.000 For what they did, they needed another 200 outpatient treatment facilities and almost 300 inpatient treatment facilities.

00:36:15.000 Another 30 recovery centers that they didn't have.

00:36:21.000 They look at the income.

00:36:22.000 They don't look at the costs.

00:36:23.000 John, thank you so much.

00:36:24.000 John Redmond, excellent conversation.

00:36:26.000 Thank you.

00:36:26.000 Thanks for having me.

00:36:27.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:36:29.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:36:31.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - September 04, 2024

What Do You Really Know About Marijuana?

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