The Charlie Kirk Show - What Happened to ‘Innocent Until Proven Guilty?’ With Clayton Echard

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00:03:12.000 A really great guest this hour, a very important story.

00:03:16.000 It is Clayton Eckard.

00:03:17.000 You were the bachelor in 2022?

00:03:19.000 That's correct.

00:03:20.000 So try to get as close to the mic as you can.

00:03:23.000 I do not watch The Bachelor.

00:03:24.000 Yeah.

00:03:26.000 So you're telling me that during like football commercials, you'd be like that guy.

00:03:31.000 They'd be like, he's the bachelor, you know, one of the promo guys.

00:03:34.000 Yeah.

00:03:35.000 I mean, again, everywhere I go, I thought there would be some sense of normalcy and privacy, but it's just once you're out there, you're out there for good.

00:03:41.000 So how many, there's been like, what, 20 bachelors, right?

00:03:44.000 Is that 27 at this point?

00:03:46.000 27.

00:03:46.000 So you're kind of in a very tight-knit club.

00:03:49.000 Fortunately or unfortunately, yeah.

00:03:49.000 Is that right?

00:03:51.000 So tell us your story.

00:03:53.000 Yeah.

00:03:54.000 So, where I'm currently at and why I'm here today is, I guess, fame comes with a side of madness.

00:04:02.000 And this last year, I've been dealing with a false accusation from a woman that claims she was impregnated by me with twins.

00:04:11.000 We are now a year into that, and she never was pregnant.

00:04:16.000 The whole thing was a lie.

00:04:18.000 She has done this previously to three other men that we're aware of.

00:04:22.000 She's been doing this for eight years now, at least.

00:04:25.000 And she claimed that she was impregnated with them by them with twins as well.

00:04:32.000 How do we know that she's made all this up?

00:04:34.000 Well, we've the doctors that she said that she has seen, all seven of them came back, said they have no record of her.

00:04:42.000 We did a paternity test at one point that came back as little to no fetal DNA twice because she was never pregnant.

00:04:50.000 And she also had sent me an ultrasound video at one point that she put online as well and was found 24 hours later by the Reddit audience online to be from a video from YouTube six years ago.

00:05:03.000 So everything has went back to she's made this entire thing up.

00:05:07.000 She's claimed that she was pregnant, which is a lie.

00:05:09.000 She claims she had a miscarriage, which is a lie.

00:05:11.000 She's claimed with one of the previous victims that she had ovarian cancer. 0.89

00:05:16.000 She's claimed she's been raped. 0.88

00:05:18.000 She said that I did that as well after we have evidence and everything's been documented showing that she said what we did was consensual, but we didn't have sexual intercourse.

00:05:26.000 I want to make that clear.

00:05:27.000 So it would have been an immaculate conception.

00:05:29.000 Correct.

00:05:30.000 Yes.

00:05:30.000 And so here we are where she has lied, lied, lied, and lied.

00:05:35.000 We have a June 10th hearing coming up where we hope that justice will be served.

00:05:40.000 We're hoping that a ruling will be found that she lied.

00:05:44.000 She probably won't admit it herself, but the judge hopefully will find that.

00:05:47.000 So I want to go way back.

00:05:48.000 This is super important.

00:05:49.000 And so there's so many elements here.

00:05:51.000 So you are the bachelor.

00:05:53.000 So you're a big target.

00:05:55.000 Correct.

00:05:55.000 Yeah.

00:05:56.000 This is my second false accusation that I've dealt with.

00:05:58.000 Is that right?

00:05:58.000 Yeah.

00:05:59.000 Is that one been completed?

00:06:00.000 The other one was I solved pretty quickly through location services on my phone.

00:06:04.000 This woman said that I flew out to New York, hooked up with her, and flew back, but my phone showed that I was in Scottsdale.

00:06:10.000 So just independently curious, does this happen to a lot of former bachelors?

00:06:13.000 No, apparently it's just me.

00:06:14.000 Okay, she's just like, some bad juju or something. 0.99

00:06:16.000 I don't know what happens.

00:06:17.000 We'll work on that.

00:06:18.000 So you're a big deal.

00:06:20.000 You're like one of the more desirable men in the country, right?

00:06:24.000 So this young lady, whatever, you know, have an experience together.

00:06:31.000 And then she all of a sudden comes to you and says, I'm pregnant with twins and all that.

00:06:36.000 And your first reaction is, no way.

00:06:38.000 No way.

00:06:39.000 No, not at all.

00:06:40.000 It was 11 days later that she sent me the message from a different phone number.

00:06:43.000 I had blocked her already.

00:06:45.000 And she said that she was pregnant.

00:06:47.000 At the time, it was one child.

00:06:49.000 It progressed to twins because I found out when we were doing the paternity test, she said, hey, we can't do a paternity test because they don't do it when there's twins involved because there's a small chance that it could be two different fathers.

00:07:02.000 So they won't do a test on twins, but certain, most won't, but certain facilities will.

00:07:07.000 But originally, she came out and said that, yeah, she's pregnant. 0.97

00:07:09.000 And she said, okay, so here's how it'll go.

00:07:13.000 Either you date me for a week, and if it doesn't work out after a week, I'll have an abortion. 1.00

00:07:17.000 And if you don't date me, then I'm having the child.

00:07:20.000 So that was this, that's basically what she told me that was needed to happen.

00:07:24.000 So first of all, I didn't know that if you have twins, it could be two different fathers.

00:07:27.000 That's interesting.

00:07:28.000 Some anomaly online.

00:07:30.000 Yeah, no, that's interesting.

00:07:31.000 So I guess they could be two different eggs that are fertilized simultaneously, I suppose.

00:07:36.000 You'd have to be quite an accurate person.

00:07:37.000 There's some liability apparently involved.

00:07:39.000 Well, you'd have to be a very active person in a certain window.

00:07:43.000 Let's put it that way.

00:07:44.000 Yes.

00:07:44.000 Correct.

00:07:45.000 So the but the part of the story that's very important is then she went to the media.

00:07:45.000 Okay.

00:07:52.000 She did.

00:07:52.000 Correct.

00:07:53.000 So you're trying to deal with this privately.

00:07:56.000 Yeah.

00:07:57.000 And then she goes to the media and then do they ask questions? 0.62

00:08:01.000 Do they analyze this?

00:08:02.000 Do they see if she's telling the truth?

00:08:05.000 No, it went straight to I'm guilty until proven innocent.

00:08:08.000 I mean, I was, she came out anonymously online through The Sun.

00:08:11.000 They published an article.

00:08:13.000 It got picked up right away by all these different news sources and they all ran with it.

00:08:19.000 And people online said, this is exactly the kind of guy that we knew he was. 0.50

00:08:23.000 He's a terrible human being. 0.94

00:08:24.000 This tracks. 0.67

00:08:26.000 And now, what does he have to say to this?

00:08:28.000 And so I went right out on the defense.

00:08:31.000 I said, I got to go back and combat this.

00:08:32.000 So I went out online and said, none of this is true.

00:08:36.000 And then it became, okay, then prove it.

00:08:38.000 And so that was the reception that I faced when it first went public as I went straight into defense mode.

00:08:43.000 I was already guilty in the eyes of the majority.

00:08:46.000 So the media didn't ask, do you think the media slandered you or do you think that they libeled you?

00:08:53.000 Yeah, my personal opinion is they did.

00:08:55.000 I spoke with one of the publicists and they said, listen, this might be one of the best things for you for this to go out publicly because all press is good press.

00:09:04.000 I said, I don't want to deal with this.

00:09:05.000 I've already went through enough.

00:09:06.000 I've been struggling as is with my mental health.

00:09:08.000 I'm getting, I was torn to shreds on, you know, after the show.

00:09:11.000 People didn't really like me.

00:09:12.000 I was a polarizing bachelor.

00:09:13.000 I said, I don't want this.

00:09:14.000 Oh, is that right?

00:09:15.000 See, I have an idea.

00:09:16.000 Yeah.

00:09:16.000 You should just have comfort.

00:09:17.000 Most people have no idea about that stuff.

00:09:19.000 Yeah, it feels like the entire world watched me.

00:09:22.000 The reality is it's a microcosm that did, but they speak so loud.

00:09:25.000 16-year-old girls watch me.

00:09:28.000 There's apparently six to eight million people, but when you take the entire population of the U.S., where it's like 300.

00:09:33.000 I was trying to comfort you.

00:09:34.000 I'm with you.

00:09:34.000 I know.

00:09:35.000 I appreciate that, but I'm past that point now.

00:09:37.000 Okay, good.

00:09:38.000 I've come into knowing who I am now and I have confidence.

00:09:40.000 And I at this point, praise God.

00:09:41.000 Yeah, that's good.

00:09:42.000 Yeah, I don't really care as much anymore.

00:09:43.000 But it does feel like the entire world when 6 million people are screaming at you.

00:09:47.000 That's what it feels like.

00:09:48.000 No, for sure.

00:09:48.000 Of course.

00:09:49.000 It's on network TV, right?

00:09:50.000 And they're constantly running promos.

00:09:51.000 Yeah.

00:09:52.000 So the media smears and slanders you.

00:09:54.000 You want nothing to do with this.

00:09:56.000 And so now you're kind of in this dogfight-ish legal fight with this individual who does this basically professionally.

00:10:05.000 Yeah.

00:10:06.000 I pulled the previous court cases because when she went public, I got a message within 12 hours saying, hey, you're not the only guy.

00:10:13.000 Go take a look at this court case.

00:10:14.000 And they gave me a number and I searched it in the system and I pulled it up and boom, same text messages.

00:10:20.000 I mean, verbatim.

00:10:21.000 It was, it was, this has been practiced over and over again.

00:10:24.000 And so, you know, at that point, though, then it was a matter of she was trying to destroy my reputation.

00:10:31.000 And I couldn't go anywhere with her without her harassing me.

00:10:34.000 She sent letters to my family.

00:10:36.000 She sent letters to my place of employment.

00:10:38.000 She sent emails to nonprofits.

00:10:42.000 Like that this is a bad guy that is.

00:10:42.000 What was she saying?

00:10:45.000 So I'm a mental health advocate.

00:10:46.000 And I was at the time I was speaking around the country.

00:10:48.000 I was talking to middle school, high school, college-age kids about just destigmatizing the conversations around mental health.

00:10:56.000 She started reaching out to these nonprofits, these mental health organizations saying, hey, this guy's not who you think he is.

00:11:04.000 I am pregnant by his twins and he won't even step up and he doesn't care about my mental health and he's letting me just deal with this on my own.

00:11:11.000 So she started reaching out to all them.

00:11:13.000 I had a full few of those opportunities pulled.

00:11:17.000 And then she went after my relationships.

00:11:20.000 I went to Miami to go see a friend and my cousin.

00:11:24.000 And she ended up sending a parenting plan.

00:11:28.000 She was trying to get papers served to me and she was sending them to women that I had talked to in the past. 1.00

00:11:33.000 Well, one of them that I had talked to, the other one I had mentioned on a podcast once that I thought, I said, hey, I would have interest in her.

00:11:38.000 And she tried to serve papers to both of those individuals that were living in Miami. 0.99

00:11:41.000 I mean, she just, wherever I went, she tried to smother me with, you know, just with information.

00:11:46.000 You are a perfect example of a trend of guilty until proven innocent.

00:11:51.000 Do you believe that just the lot to discuss here?

00:11:57.000 Yeah.

00:11:58.000 Lessons, takeaways, very similar to the Trevor Bauer situation.

00:12:03.000 Yeah, I'm very aware of that.

00:12:05.000 That happened.

00:12:05.000 It's also Scottsdale, right?

00:12:06.000 It happened here locally.

00:12:07.000 Is there something in the water?

00:12:09.000 I don't know, man.

00:12:10.000 You got to tell me.

00:12:11.000 It just was kind of shocking to be so close to home, but there's a lot of parallels, different.

00:12:15.000 Very, like, early similar.

00:12:17.000 Verily similar, correct.

00:12:18.000 So what are you in court with her about right now?

00:12:21.000 Really, at this point, she opened a family court hearing against me.

00:12:24.000 I didn't turn it back and filed on her.

00:12:26.000 I'm looking for justice to get served.

00:12:28.000 I want accountability to be had.

00:12:29.000 I want her to face consequences for her.

00:12:31.000 She stole a family court hearing on you? 1.00

00:12:33.000 Yeah, well, I held it open.

00:12:34.000 She opened it against me and I've held it open.

00:12:38.000 She seems really sweet.

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00:13:46.000 So Clayton, you have this court date, and you said some of the other men that she has extorted are going to be there.

00:13:51.000 Yeah, at least two, possibly the third one.

00:13:53.000 So this is a pattern.

00:13:54.000 Yeah, it's repetitive.

00:13:56.000 What have you learned by talking to the other victims?

00:13:58.000 Well, it made me feel less alone because we've went through the same things.

00:14:01.000 I mean, the previous two guys, she claimed she was pregnant with twins with those two as well.

00:14:06.000 So as we started comparing notes, showing previous text messages and just talking with one another, there was a playbook to this.

00:14:12.000 She's very calculated and she doesn't work alone. 0.87

00:14:15.000 Again, her mom's her accomplice. 0.86

00:14:16.000 Her mom's complicit in this behavior. 1.00

00:14:18.000 Oh, is that right?

00:14:19.000 I'm spoken to her mom on the phone or she's very aware of what she's doing.

00:14:22.000 And she, I think, is, yeah, as a part of her operation.

00:14:25.000 Essentially, her operation is hook up with a man and then like pretend she has children with them and get money. 1.00

00:14:33.000 She's not after money. 0.99

00:14:34.000 What she's after, in my opinion, is she's after validation from others.

00:14:38.000 So she has a mental health podcast.

00:14:39.000 So she basically takes these stories, spends them, becomes the victim, and then uses that for credibility.

00:14:46.000 So she gets validation online and through her podcast through saying, hey, I'm a victim of prior domestic abuse.

00:14:54.000 And I was formerly pregnant and these men treated me terribly.

00:14:57.000 She's done TED Talks or one TED Talk on this matter with the previous victim.

00:15:01.000 It's a complete lie, the entire TED Talk.

00:15:04.000 But she uses this to be the victim when the reality is she's the aggressor. 0.58

00:15:08.000 And so at this hearing, she's going to have to be confronted by all this.

00:15:15.000 I mean, it's all coming to a head.

00:15:15.000 Yeah.

00:15:16.000 It's going to be me, the other victims there as well.

00:15:19.000 One of them is testifying.

00:15:21.000 I'll obviously be testifying.

00:15:23.000 And again, we want justice to be served because it just hasn't happened yet.

00:15:27.000 Now, granted, we have a really good shot at all of the emotions that we have filed have been approved.

00:15:32.000 All of her recent motions have been denied.

00:15:35.000 I think we're in a really good position to have this referred, hopefully, to the DA for prosecution.

00:15:39.000 So, I mean, I guess this is a hard question to answer.

00:15:43.000 What did you learn from this?

00:15:45.000 Oh, man.

00:15:48.000 That's a big thing.

00:15:48.000 I don't, you know, a lot, uh, I guess is the first thought that popped in my head.

00:15:52.000 I think the biggest thing is for me is to just trust that everything is will work itself out.

00:15:59.000 And I think it's all for a bigger purpose.

00:16:01.000 Uh, do I make mistakes?

00:16:02.000 Absolutely.

00:16:03.000 Uh, I'm not trying to dodge any type of responsibility.

00:16:05.000 I could have, you know, not taking the actions that I did, but the reality is, I did take actions, and here I am today.

00:16:10.000 I believe that this is bigger than me, and I believe that this could potentially help other individuals.

00:16:16.000 I've had a lot of men come forward in private and say, Hey, this happened to me or this happened to my friend.

00:16:21.000 I've had women say this happened to my brother.

00:16:24.000 It's more common than people realize.

00:16:26.000 And I think the frustrating part is there's been pushback online.

00:16:30.000 I think the reason why we haven't seen a lot of coverage is because I've seen people say, Hey, listen, like, we don't want this to become a reverse Me Too movement.

00:16:37.000 We don't want people to stop believing women.

00:16:39.000 This isn't about believing women or not.

00:16:41.000 This is a matter of believing victims.

00:16:44.000 And but this story has been suppressed because I've read, you know, I've seen this online.

00:16:48.000 People have said, Hey, like if this gets out and people are going to stop believing women, we don't want that.

00:16:52.000 And so I've been called a men's right activist, especially when I posted about Trevor Bauer.

00:16:57.000 I posted about his story and I got all these messages in my DMs.

00:16:59.000 You're a men's right activist.

00:17:01.000 I'm like, I have no interest in trying to discredit women. 1.00

00:17:04.000 I'm just trying to, you know, credit victims.

00:17:06.000 That's all it is.

00:17:07.000 Believe the truth and maybe have a reserve a little judgment to not make a you know form opinions until all the facts are out because I got thrown to the wolves right out the gate.

00:17:17.000 And that was tough to have to fight that uphill battle to prove my innocence when it should be, I think, the you know the opposite scenario.

00:17:23.000 I should be innocent until proven guilty.

00:17:26.000 Do you think that there's an anti-male sentiment in this country?

00:17:30.000 I mean, as a blanket statement as a whole, I think there's a population of people that have a really hard time seeing me as a victim.

00:17:38.000 I've, again, I've read this all online.

00:17:40.000 These are not my opinions.

00:17:41.000 These are just the facts of the matter.

00:17:42.000 I've had people online say, look at me.

00:17:45.000 He's a good looking guy, former athlete.

00:17:47.000 I mean, it's hard to feel bad for him.

00:17:49.000 And the reality is what hurts me is I wasn't, you know, I used to be bullied.

00:17:53.000 I used to be, you know, a third of the size that I am now.

00:17:57.000 You know, I used to be friends on by every girl growing up.

00:17:59.000 I didn't, the way that I appear is not the way that I see myself in the mirror.

00:18:03.000 And so for people to discredit me and say, oh, boohoo, be quiet.

00:18:06.000 You've got enough good things going for you.

00:18:08.000 It's really hard for me to feel bad for you.

00:18:09.000 It's like, well, now you're discrediting what I've went through and I feel silenced and I feel alone.

00:18:14.000 And that's what I've seen online is I'm like, I feel hopeless.

00:18:16.000 There's days where I felt hopeless because I'm like, why won't anyone just listen to me?

00:18:19.000 Because it's the truth.

00:18:20.000 You know, I just, I just want to feel validated.

00:18:22.000 I don't want to.

00:18:23.000 Why do you think they won't listen to you?

00:18:25.000 Because I, again, I think they don't want to see if this, I was told if the rules were reversed, that I, as the man, would have been arrested months ago.

00:18:34.000 I was told by someone high up in the judicial system that if this was a female bachelorette and there was a man that was doing something like this, that this wouldn't have gone on for as long. 0.98

00:18:43.000 Yeah, so what does that mean?

00:18:45.000 I think that there's bias based off of my gender.

00:18:47.000 Yeah.

00:18:48.000 It's out there.

00:18:49.000 And I mean, and you have three other men that then are also coming to court.

00:18:49.000 Yeah.

00:18:54.000 The Trevor Bauer thing.

00:18:55.000 Yeah.

00:18:56.000 It is a, it's an unjust, it's an unjust system.

00:18:59.000 So being the bachelor and being through this, what advice for dating do you have for young people?

00:19:06.000 I mean, because you kind of are like now one of the, I mean, you're a dating expert.

00:19:11.000 You've been through hell.

00:19:12.000 What I think I'm always learning and progressing.

00:19:15.000 Well, but what's my advice?

00:19:17.000 Glean from your experience and offer some wisdom because pain is a teacher of wisdom.

00:19:21.000 Absolutely.

00:19:22.000 Be authentically you.

00:19:24.000 You'll attract ultimately the energy that you are.

00:19:24.000 Just be yourself.

00:19:27.000 I think, you know, when I went through this experience as the bachelor, I didn't have full confidence and self-love in who I was.

00:19:33.000 And so I went into that experience basically trying to please everyone, you know, the producers, the audience, the women, myself.

00:19:40.000 And you can't please all those people, but you can be yourself through it all while I wasn't.

00:19:43.000 And so I live, I was, you know, I created somewhat of a facade, this tough guy exterior, and it didn't, and it didn't, you know, pan out well for me.

00:19:51.000 So I think, you know, I started attracting a different audience that I didn't want around me because who I was, this creative human being that I've now am expressing outwardly, was suppressed.

00:20:01.000 So the authentic, genuine people that wanted to be around me or were similar to me had no idea who I actually was.

00:20:07.000 So my advice to people is B you. 0.99

00:20:10.000 You know, will you get pushback?

00:20:11.000 Have I gotten pushback for getting earrings?

00:20:11.000 Absolutely.

00:20:13.000 Yeah.

00:20:13.000 Have I gotten pushback for dancing now?

00:20:15.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:20:16.000 But am I attracting people that like that?

00:20:18.000 Absolutely.

00:20:19.000 And it feels really just awesome to see people that support the things that I genuinely love.

00:20:24.000 So for those that don't know what, I mean, do you, do you, I don't know, I say regret.

00:20:28.000 What do you think of your time doing the bachelor?

00:20:30.000 Would you do it again?

00:20:31.000 Yeah.

00:20:32.000 Because this has finally caused me to have to come to terms with my reality, which is that I was living a life that was a lie my entire life, trying to impress people by building up an image that I thought people would, you know, see or I would get validation from.

00:20:47.000 And I did throughout points of my life, you know, when I became an NFL athlete briefly, I got all the validation in the world.

00:20:52.000 Wow, that's super impressive.

00:20:53.000 But then I stopped being an NFL athlete and I lost it all and that void came back.

00:20:57.000 So I tried to fill that validation again that I was seeking.

00:20:59.000 And then I found it in the bachelor.

00:21:01.000 And then eventually I wasn't the shiny object anymore.

00:21:03.000 And that void was there again.

00:21:04.000 And I said, I'm so tired of having this void.

00:21:06.000 What is it going to take for me to finally feel good enough?

00:21:08.000 And it's when I realized I was like, you have to choose to feel good enough.

00:21:11.000 It's that simple.

00:21:12.000 There's people that are still in your hometown that love their lives and love who they are.

00:21:16.000 And they didn't have to do all those things you did to seek validation.

00:21:19.000 They have that internal validation.

00:21:21.000 I had to go through this whole experience to realize that, that no matter how high I climb, I won't feel good enough until I finally choose to feel that way.

00:21:29.000 Being one of the bachelor, is it hard to date?

00:21:32.000 Yeah, it is.

00:21:33.000 So talk about that.

00:21:35.000 I mean, you're like professionally good looking.

00:21:36.000 You're 6'5.

00:21:38.000 How could it be hard to date to date?

00:21:40.000 Because you always are questioning people's intentions.

00:21:43.000 I can pick it up now, but I will have women that'll say they'll act shocked whenever it finally gets uncovered. 1.00

00:21:50.000 I don't walk into the situation.

00:21:51.000 Oh, I was the former bachelor.

00:21:52.000 So, you know, I hide it, you know, a lot of times as much as I can.

00:21:56.000 And then it'll come out and they'll say, oh, I had no idea.

00:21:58.000 Well, I don't watch that show.

00:21:59.000 But then I can start to realize, no, they're just saying that.

00:22:01.000 They actually do know who I am.

00:22:02.000 And this is, you know, all a lie on their part.

00:22:05.000 So it's hard because you start to go, okay, do people like me for who I am authentically or do they like me for what I've done?

00:22:11.000 So every time I meet somebody, I'm always going straight into detective mode, trying to figure out.

00:22:16.000 That must be exhausting.

00:22:17.000 It is.

00:22:18.000 Yeah, it is.

00:22:19.000 But I mean, again, that's just my reality.

00:22:20.000 There's no other way around it.

00:22:21.000 I just have to accept the facts for what they are.

00:22:24.000 So I've gotten really good at reading people.

00:22:27.000 I have to.

00:22:28.000 Otherwise, they'll take advantage of me like they have in the past.

00:22:31.000 I mean, I'm sure there's no shortage of women that you can want to find. 1.00

00:22:35.000 Are you in a serious relationship now or kind of not so much?

00:22:38.000 Yeah.

00:22:39.000 There actually are a bachelor.

00:22:40.000 There actually is a shortage of women, but that's because I have begun to be authentically who I am.

00:22:46.000 And it's pushed away a large majority of people that see what I do as cringy.

00:22:50.000 I mean, listen, I'm not a good dancer.

00:22:52.000 I know that, but I love the dance and I've gotten better than when I started a year ago.

00:22:56.000 But a lot of people see that and they're like, oh, that's cringy.

00:22:58.000 So I've actually reduced my dating pool by pushing away the people that don't like that.

00:23:02.000 Step down to a manageable size.

00:23:03.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:23:04.000 But like what I've done, though, is now it's like, I don't have to weed through all those individuals.

00:23:07.000 They weren't going to be right for me anyways.

00:23:08.000 You know, at some point, if I would have not danced, they might have realized who I really was and not liked who I am.

00:23:13.000 So I've actually limited the dating pool.

00:23:16.000 So options are limited, but I don't have to weed through as many people that don't like who I am.

00:23:21.000 Now it's just like people that come around me do like me.

00:23:25.000 And you want one day to get married, have kids?

00:23:27.000 Yeah.

00:23:27.000 That's the goal.

00:23:28.000 I mean, again, I think the whole purpose in life is or what gives life meaning are relationships.

00:23:33.000 Of all the things that I've done, again, these are all temporary moments of satisfaction to be this, to be that, to be in the spotlight.

00:23:39.000 But you realize like at the end of the day, I just love being able to hang out with my brothers and just be in their presence.

00:23:44.000 We can be sitting outside, you know, in the sun by the pool.

00:23:47.000 And those are the moments where I'm most happy with my life.

00:23:50.000 It's those simple things.

00:23:51.000 And so without relationships, I'm like, what's the point of life?

00:23:54.000 You know, so I just want to get that back and I want to build a family.

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00:25:03.000 Zero in on just a couple other aspects of the story that I might have glossed over too quickly.

00:25:07.000 So there was the paternity test, the alleged miscarriage.

00:25:10.000 When did you realize what was actually happening?

00:25:12.000 Well, fairly early on, because I wanted, when she said, hey, listen, this is the reality of the fact you've got me pregnant.

00:25:19.000 I said, I don't believe it based off of the fact that we didn't have sexual intercourse, but like, let's go have an ultrasound done.

00:25:26.000 Well, she said, okay, we got to wait a certain period of time for that.

00:25:28.000 I said, okay, then let's cut off communication until that point.

00:25:31.000 She, of course, then did it.

00:25:32.000 And she kept sending me messages harassing me. 1.00

00:25:34.000 But then when it came time to do the ultrasound, she rescheduled it and said, I'm fearful that I can't trust that you won't show up and potentially harm me.

00:25:42.000 So she said, I'm going to reschedule it, not let you know when it is.

00:25:45.000 I said, that's fine.

00:25:45.000 Then you can FaceTime me when you go.

00:25:47.000 And then she just said, you know, rescheduled it and then never ever like did it.

00:25:51.000 And I'm like, okay, so you won't even, you know, I can't even get a doctor to sign off this.

00:25:55.000 I asked for the doctor that apparently a parent, Planned Parenthood, that did an ultrasound early on and said she was pregnant, had the documents.

00:26:03.000 I said, well, let me talk to her. 0.99

00:26:04.000 She wouldn't let me talk to the doctor.

00:26:05.000 So I said, it's really simple.

00:26:06.000 If you won't let me talk to them, then why would I believe you?

00:26:08.000 So I knew at that point early on, probably within the first couple of months, I was like, there's no truth in this at all.

00:26:14.000 Well, yeah, and it's a key point.

00:26:16.000 She feared for her safety because she knows a guy can't argue a woman feels unsafe.

00:26:21.000 So she has to like go to that card immediately.

00:26:25.000 And so you realize what was happening here.

00:26:28.000 How did you find the other men?

00:26:30.000 Yeah, I mean, because the second she went public, I think it was the worst thing that she could have done.

00:26:33.000 And she thought she was going to stay anonymous and destroy my character and everything that I have. 1.00

00:26:39.000 But when she went public, it just opened up the floodgates. 0.93

00:26:42.000 And I started, you know, I got, again, I got two DMs, two different people said, you're not alone.

00:26:46.000 Look up this court case.

00:26:48.000 And so I looked up the court case.

00:26:49.000 And when I went and looked up the court case, I saw there was another man that was named in that from a previous case.

00:26:54.000 And so then I had reached out because I said, okay, like I need to talk to these guys and see what's going on here.

00:27:01.000 And so I started having those conversations.

00:27:03.000 And then when I just realized it was almost a carbon copy from one case to the next, I realized, wow, this is an ongoing thing.

00:27:10.000 And this is why she's so good at it is because she's had practice.

00:27:13.000 And what doesn't work.

00:27:14.000 People like this should go to jail, shouldn't they?

00:27:16.000 Yeah.

00:27:16.000 Absolutely.

00:27:17.000 I mean, again, the fact that she hasn't faced any accountability this entire time for the last year.

00:27:21.000 Are there other laws against falsifully accusing somebody to try to extort them and get yeah, yeah.

00:27:27.000 I mean, from my understanding, absolutely there is.

00:27:29.000 And she's, she's admitted to medical fraud. 0.61

00:27:31.000 I mean, she's already admitted to it.

00:27:32.000 She said that she doctored the ultrasound and changed the name of the provider that did it.

00:27:38.000 I'm like, so she's admitted to that kind of medical fraud already.

00:27:40.000 I'm like, that's punishable.

00:27:41.000 Medical fraud is.

00:27:43.000 She's claimed that, you know, threatened to sue me for a certain amount of money.

00:27:47.000 So she's also, you know, defamed me.

00:27:49.000 That's punishable.

00:27:51.000 Will you sue her civilly?

00:27:53.000 That's where things will head if I don't get the outcome that I'm looking for on June 10th.

00:27:57.000 I'll have no choice but to let you know.

00:27:58.000 And the outcome is, I don't want to put you on the spot.

00:28:00.000 Justice is what you're looking at.

00:28:01.000 Again, I want this to be referred to the DA for prosecution.

00:28:01.000 The outcome is justice.

00:28:05.000 Here in Maricopa County.

00:28:06.000 Yes.

00:28:07.000 Yes.

00:28:08.000 Because she should be prosecuted.

00:28:09.000 She's Rachel Mitchell.

00:28:10.000 Yeah.

00:28:11.000 So again, I think with all of the facts that are out there, no, and I will personally, publicly and privately encourage her to just enforce the law because I think this is super important.

00:28:20.000 Yeah.

00:28:21.000 You can't just make stuff up and act like it's just going to happen.

00:28:24.000 I mean, the equal is, of course, if there was some bachelorette, like you said, and you were like, oh, yeah, we did, you would be in jail right now.

00:28:33.000 You'd be a felon.

00:28:34.000 Yeah, I just want to.

00:28:35.000 And this will keep on happening unless people serve time in prison.

00:28:38.000 Yeah.

00:28:39.000 I mean, there needs to be some type of repercussions for these kinds of actions.

00:28:39.000 Yeah.

00:28:42.000 If she goes walks freely, what do you think she's going to do?

00:28:45.000 She's going to feel, she's going to feel indestructible.

00:28:47.000 She's going to feel invincible and she's going to go do it again.

00:28:50.000 I mean, why would she stop?

00:28:52.000 She did it as recently as me, and she's done it for the last eight years.

00:28:55.000 What makes you think she won't do it again?

00:28:56.000 She sounds like a real peach. 0.68

00:28:58.000 Yeah, I got a lot of thoughts.

00:29:00.000 Again, I reserve my judgment.

00:29:01.000 Yeah, of course.

00:29:02.000 No, that's fine.

00:29:02.000 So, speaking of mental health problems, you're a mental health advocate.

00:29:06.000 So tell us about that.

00:29:08.000 Yeah, I mean, my biggest thing is, is when I went through my experience on the show, again, I wasn't a fan favorite.

00:29:13.000 So I was, you know, why is that?

00:29:15.000 Because, I mean, you're talking about so far off and distant world.

00:29:15.000 You got to help me out.

00:29:20.000 What happened on the show here?

00:29:21.000 Did you?

00:29:22.000 I fell in love with three women at once.

00:29:24.000 How does the show work?

00:29:25.000 So you date 30 women.

00:29:27.000 What do you mean you date 30?

00:29:28.000 That's very like 1300s.

00:29:32.000 What do you mean?

00:29:33.000 It's a show based in polyamory where the goal is to get down to monogamy where you end up getting engaged with one woman.

00:29:39.000 Okay, so I'm vaguely familiar.

00:29:41.000 So you have 30 women.

00:29:43.000 Are you guys like on an island or are you like in an area?

00:29:45.000 It's all over the world.

00:29:46.000 I mean, yeah, we went, we traveled the country.

00:29:48.000 It was incredible.

00:29:49.000 Okay, so it's not like they're all, you know, in a mansion living together?

00:29:54.000 At certain points.

00:29:55.000 Yeah, but then we mean certain, what do you mean?

00:29:57.000 Yeah, so I mean, at the beginning of the show, they stay in a mansion.

00:29:59.000 I stayed in a hotel separate.

00:30:01.000 And then we went to Canada.

00:30:03.000 We went to Austria.

00:30:04.000 We went to Croatia.

00:30:05.000 With the women, all 30? 0.99

00:30:07.000 Well, you start to eliminate them over time. 0.89

00:30:09.000 You eliminate them.

00:30:10.000 Yeah, that's probably not the right word I should have used, but that's the truth.

00:30:13.000 I mean, there's a, you know, it's like you send people home over time and then you try to get down to one person.

00:30:18.000 Okay.

00:30:18.000 I just happened to fall in love with you.

00:30:19.000 A fuera. 0.62

00:30:20.000 A fuera. 0.62

00:30:21.000 You just start done with that.

00:30:22.000 So the group, you guys travel together to all these very palatial areas.

00:30:28.000 Correct.

00:30:29.000 So you and what happens at each one?

00:30:29.000 Okay.

00:30:32.000 You go on dates with each one of them.

00:30:34.000 Yeah, you go on these extravagant dates.

00:30:35.000 I mean, I went into an active volcano for a date.

00:30:38.000 I went to Iceland and we did Doombuggy riding in the Black Sand Beaches of Reykjavik, Iceland.

00:30:43.000 And they all want to be with you.

00:30:45.000 Well, I don't know if all of them wanted to be with me, but they make it appear that way.

00:30:48.000 Why?

00:30:48.000 I'm not saying they're sarcastic.

00:30:50.000 Why would any woman want to do this? 1.00

00:30:52.000 Well, yeah, for the reason why people go on the show a lot, a lot of times is for external validation or fault.

00:30:56.000 Okay, okay.

00:30:57.000 Because they get a lot of clicks and social media followers.

00:30:58.000 Yeah, most of these women had no idea it was me when they came on the show. 1.00

00:31:01.000 I mean, that's what they told me.

00:31:02.000 What do you mean?

00:31:03.000 They didn't know it was me.

00:31:03.000 They just showed up and I happened to be the bachelor.

00:31:06.000 They didn't know it was me ahead of time.

00:31:07.000 No, no, of course.

00:31:07.000 No, it's the idea of a bachelor, of course.

00:31:10.000 Meaning, like it's, you know, attractive guy, whatever.

00:31:12.000 It's the criteria.

00:31:13.000 But so it's fame-seeking, essentially.

00:31:13.000 Yeah.

00:31:15.000 Again, I can't speak for all of them.

00:31:16.000 Okay.

00:31:16.000 Yeah.

00:31:17.000 So, so, again, I'm not being like sarcastic.

00:31:17.000 A lot of them.

00:31:17.000 Yeah.

00:31:19.000 I'm generally interested in this.

00:31:21.000 So you travel the world and you fall in love with one of them.

00:31:23.000 Is that like a big no-no?

00:31:23.000 Yeah.

00:31:25.000 You're not supposed to do that?

00:31:26.000 No, the goal is to fall in love with one, not three.

00:31:28.000 Technically, I mean, I fell in love with one.

00:31:30.000 Three.

00:31:31.000 Oh, three.

00:31:31.000 I'm sorry.

00:31:32.000 I just heard three of them.

00:31:34.000 Yeah.

00:31:34.000 And I that is polyamorous.

00:31:36.000 Yeah.

00:31:37.000 I fell in love with each of them for different things.

00:31:39.000 And that's when I realized I was in trouble because I knew that I told myself, I got asked early on, you know, could you fall in love with multiple people?

00:31:45.000 I said, no.

00:31:46.000 I said, because they, as in the producers, I said, because if I do, it's going to be a massive mess.

00:31:46.000 They said, why?

00:31:51.000 And then I did one day.

00:31:52.000 I felt, I realized I had fallen love with multiple women.

00:31:54.000 I started hysterically laughing on an elevator in Iceland.

00:31:56.000 They're like, what are you laughing about? 0.98

00:31:57.000 I said, I'm so screwed. 0.97

00:31:59.000 I said, because I just realized I've fallen in love with three women. 0.98

00:31:59.000 They said, why? 0.98

00:32:02.000 Of course, they were like, get them in a room right now.

00:32:04.000 Well, but this, how are the ratings of your show?

00:32:06.000 You're probably really good.

00:32:08.000 Yeah.

00:32:08.000 It ramped back up.

00:32:09.000 The show's kind of, you know, lost followers over the years, but mine was pretty dramatic.

00:32:12.000 It definitely brought people back in.

00:32:12.000 Yeah, my season.

00:32:14.000 Okay, so you were a polarizing bachelor because of that.

00:32:17.000 So because I was too.

00:32:18.000 But at the very end, you have to give a rose or something.

00:32:20.000 Is that correct?

00:32:21.000 You choose.

00:32:22.000 So how did it end?

00:32:25.000 So basically, what happened is I ended up expressing feelings of love to multiple women and I was intimate with multiple women.

00:32:25.000 Yeah.

00:32:32.000 And then I, one of them was bothered by it.

00:32:35.000 And then I went and told the other two women, hey, she was bothered by it. 0.90

00:32:38.000 So I'm going to let you all know what's occurred.

00:32:40.000 And that's where I got a lot of blowback.

00:32:42.000 People were really upset that I was so open and transparent about it and my actions, but I was just being honest.

00:32:48.000 I was like, hey, listen, I can't hide this.

00:32:50.000 This is what happened.

00:32:52.000 So you all should know.

00:32:53.000 And that's where, of course, I became a villain.

00:32:56.000 Everyone said, well, how could he just tell these women and do this publicly?

00:33:00.000 I was like, well, I had no choice.

00:33:01.000 I couldn't tell them privately.

00:33:02.000 There was no option to.

00:33:04.000 And if I didn't tell them then, they were going to walk.

00:33:06.000 Do you wish you would have just chosen one or you just couldn't do that?

00:33:08.000 I mean, yeah, that would have made things simpler.

00:33:10.000 But I just fell in love with three women. 1.00

00:33:12.000 I mean, I genuinely fought it until I ended up, it ended up happening.

00:33:16.000 I fought it, fought it, fought it.

00:33:17.000 Then it happened.

00:33:17.000 And I was like, well, this is where I'm at.

00:33:19.000 And I guess the show, people are okay with this because that's the nature of the show.

00:33:24.000 But people did not like how open I was about it.

00:33:27.000 And they thought I should have been more guarded and protected these women.

00:33:30.000 And of course, I could have done things better, but I didn't have the option to tell these women behind closed doors.

00:33:35.000 And so then the show ended with you with basically no women then.

00:33:35.000 Yeah.

00:33:38.000 Is that right?

00:33:39.000 Yeah.

00:33:40.000 Until I reconnected with one of them shortly after.

00:33:44.000 And then we ended up dating for a year.

00:33:46.000 And, you know, that was the thing was the whole show is based around like they kind of it was Camp Clayton versus Camp Susie, my ex.

00:33:52.000 And because like we had a really tense moment in the show and people took sides, but then we ended up together and the people didn't like seeing us together because they were like, well, I kind of liked, you know, I, I, I was on Clayton's side and I'll be like, well, I was on Susie's side.

00:34:03.000 And so like, there was already like just people didn't like us being together as one because we're like, hey, we're unified now.

00:34:08.000 You should support us as a couple.

00:34:09.000 And people just couldn't get behind it.

00:34:11.000 And now you don't talk to any of them.

00:34:13.000 I don't keep in touch with Susie because she's in a relationship now.

00:34:16.000 So out of respect, I don't.

00:34:17.000 But I mean, I'm still friends with her, I would say.

00:34:20.000 Thank you for explaining all that.

00:34:22.000 That's quite an experience.

00:34:25.000 So what did you learn about women? 1.00

00:34:28.000 I have a lot to learn still.

00:34:29.000 No, no, what did you learn about dating 30 women around the world?

00:34:33.000 What did you learn?

00:34:34.000 That you shouldn't date multiple people at once.

00:34:36.000 At least, I mean, it's different strokes for different folks.

00:34:39.000 I shouldn't date that many people ever.

00:34:41.000 I'll stick to one.

00:34:41.000 That's simple enough.

00:34:43.000 But, you know, again, it's a matter of, it's just, it's, it just wasn't for me.

00:34:46.000 And I think it's pretty obvious.

00:34:47.000 Like, what did you learn about female nature? 1.00

00:34:50.000 Um, that you just have to, I mean, everyone's a little bit different.

00:34:55.000 It's like, let me ask you this.

00:34:55.000 I guess that's the way I can put it.

00:34:57.000 Yeah, I guess.

00:34:57.000 So, so the you're physically very attractive with all the criteria.

00:35:02.000 And I say this with an unblemished record of heterosexuality for the record.

00:35:06.000 That's a George Costanza quote.

00:35:08.000 Do you think the women were more interested in your looks or the fame, or are women more visual driven, or are they driven by something else?

00:35:17.000 Would you say?

00:35:18.000 I think for that experience, they were more driven to the fame that could come from it.

00:35:22.000 Okay.

00:35:23.000 I was secondary.

00:35:24.000 You were secondary?

00:35:25.000 To the majority.

00:35:26.000 How did that make you feel?

00:35:28.000 And I felt that I wasn't good enough because I always felt that way my entire life.

00:35:28.000 Oh, I felt it.

00:35:31.000 And so that really just dug into me.

00:35:33.000 And I was very insecure on the show because I thought, how many of these women actually really like me for me?

00:35:37.000 And I thought the majority of them just wanted to be famous.

00:35:40.000 So after dating 30 women, do you feel as if you know more or less about women?

00:35:45.000 Oh, good question.

00:35:47.000 A little bit of both, honestly.

00:35:48.000 I think I'm not.

00:35:49.000 You're more confused.

00:35:49.000 I learned a lot.

00:35:50.000 If you're more confused, that's perfectly.

00:35:52.000 I think I am more confused.

00:35:53.000 But again, I think that was just an environment that I have to just say, hey, listen, you can't attribute too much of the real world to this.

00:35:59.000 You're terrific.

00:36:00.000 You're being very honest.

00:36:01.000 No, I, I, I was hoping you'd be like, I'm a total expert in women, but. 1.00

00:36:04.000 No, no, I'm not a total expert in anything, man.

00:36:06.000 I'm just learning.

00:36:08.000 Praise God for the humility.

00:36:11.000 Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.

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00:37:15.000 So talk about your mental health advocacy.

00:37:18.000 Yeah, so it kind of was put on hold with this whole thing because what happened was when the story first came out, I had somebody that was putting out, sending out emails saying, hey, Clayton would like to come speak at your university.

00:37:29.000 And I was starting to receive messages back saying, hey, we Googled Clayton and we're seeing what's going on right now and we cannot bring him in with all this occurring.

00:37:38.000 So it really put all that on hold.

00:37:39.000 So I had to basically then just focus on real estate, which is what I do, and solar sales.

00:37:45.000 And so I just went down those avenues and said, okay, hey, eventually I'll return to this once I can clear my name.

00:37:51.000 But right now, I mean, I'm just using my social media.

00:37:53.000 I go on podcasts.

00:37:54.000 I talk about mental health here and there.

00:37:56.000 I would like to have a bigger role again in that realm.

00:37:58.000 So I'm hoping to get back to that.

00:38:00.000 We'll talk about it.

00:38:00.000 So what particularly do you address in that arena when it comes to people's mental health or destigmatizing it, you say?

00:38:08.000 Yeah, I think the biggest thing that I'm trying to do is just get people to realize that it makes you stronger by being vulnerable.

00:38:15.000 And so the more you talk about it, you actually bring others, you attract them, and you share the struggles with them and you feel less alone and it gives you hope.

00:38:23.000 And that's what I've found.

00:38:24.000 So I want people to come out of the darkness and realize like, hey, I'm struggling with this, but it doesn't make you any less of a human.

00:38:30.000 It makes you actually stronger to come out and say, hey, I'm struggling, right?

00:38:33.000 And to be vulnerable.

00:38:35.000 And I know, you know, men struggle with this because there's this image of, you know, we got to be, you know, put our hand in the dirt and just push through it all and be tough and be the protector.

00:38:45.000 And so I want, you know, I'm wanting to get more men to speak openly about it.

00:38:49.000 But what's been great is I've had a lot of women open up as well as I've been more vocal.

00:38:53.000 So, you know, just working on continuing to get people to be more confident and sharing their truth because you keep seeing time and time again, people, there's just that golfer recently that took his own life.

00:39:03.000 He just killed himself last weekend.

00:39:04.000 Yeah.

00:39:04.000 And it's like, what if he just felt like he wasn't alone?

00:39:06.000 I bet he felt alone to some degree.

00:39:07.000 I don't know his whole story, but if he had people that said, hey, you're not alone in this, I think, you know, I might have given him enough hope.

00:39:12.000 I'm guessing he was hopeless to some degree.

00:39:14.000 And it's a shame because he was so young.

00:39:15.000 He had a lot of life to live.

00:39:17.000 Yeah.

00:39:17.000 So, I mean, what is your what the what is your explanation why so many people are depressed and anxious right now?

00:39:25.000 I think it has a lot to do with comparison culture.

00:39:27.000 So I think it's because everyone, we are so obsessed with social media and what we're seeing.

00:39:31.000 And we go online and we click on one person's profile and we're like, man, look at them.

00:39:36.000 They have so much more than we have.

00:39:37.000 And then what happens?

00:39:38.000 The algorithm feeds you someone similar.

00:39:40.000 So you click on that one, then that one, then that one.

00:39:42.000 Thou shalt not covet.

00:39:42.000 Yes.

00:39:43.000 And then after about an hour, you've seen 100 people that you think have a better life than you.

00:39:47.000 And you start to say, well, my life is worthless.

00:39:49.000 All these people are so much more successful than I am.

00:39:52.000 And I think that's the big driver is just how bad these algorithms are with social media and what they push in front of people.

00:39:58.000 It's the most depressed, suicidal, alcohol-addicted generation in history.

00:40:03.000 And I know that this is not your, I'm not blaming you, but the bachelor probably doesn't help with that.

00:40:10.000 Yeah, I mean, I think people watch the show and they don't realize that at the end of the day, it's still a show, but they go look at it.

00:40:14.000 Meaning that, I mean, these are people that are at the highest level of beauty standards, right?

00:40:19.000 And they say, I don't look that way.

00:40:20.000 And it probably doesn't agree very much.

00:40:23.000 No, I'm not blaming you.

00:40:23.000 No, I agree.

00:40:25.000 It kind of plays into that.

00:40:26.000 So, and Clayton, you're a Christian as well.

00:40:28.000 Is that right?

00:40:28.000 I am, yes.

00:40:29.000 Tell us about, is that a new journey for you?

00:40:32.000 Or?

00:40:33.000 No, I've been, I mean, I was raised Lutheran.

00:40:36.000 And then now since I would say I fall under non-denominational.

00:40:40.000 And, you know, for me, of course, I leaned on my faith through all this and just said, you know, hey, I have, you know, God's over me right now and he's watching over and ultimately I'll see this through.

00:40:50.000 He wouldn't put me through.

00:40:51.000 He wouldn't put me into something that I couldn't.

00:40:53.000 Oh, God has a plan.

00:40:54.000 That's right.

00:40:54.000 Yeah.

00:40:54.000 So I just had to keep relying on that.

00:40:56.000 But I did, you know, again, I made a really bad mistake and I'm very open about this.

00:41:02.000 When I went on the show, I came to terms with the fact that I didn't feel like it was a very godly show.

00:41:06.000 And so I prayed one night to God.

00:41:07.000 I said, God, I understand that this isn't very godly.

00:41:10.000 So I wouldn't be upset if you step back and I'm going to go through this experience and I'll see you on the other side, I suppose, because I am going to go through with this.

00:41:19.000 Big mistake, you know, and I think he's, I think, I don't know if I think you might have taken a step back.

00:41:23.000 Okay.

00:41:24.000 Like, you know, I'll give you that distance, but he was always there with me that entire time.

00:41:28.000 When everything went south on the show, actually, I was driving back in the car back to the hotel and I saw the northern lights for the first time.

00:41:35.000 And I really felt like that was a sign that he was like, I've never left you this entire time.

00:41:39.000 But a major, you know, human mistake on my part to say, hey, listen, I'm going on the show.

00:41:43.000 I don't think it's godly, but I'm going to do it, Lord.

00:41:45.000 So I don't, you know, I wouldn't, it doesn't hurt me or I understand if you have to take a step away because I just don't know how I can make this godly as I navigate through this environment.

00:41:53.000 What is your, so you're famous.

00:41:55.000 What is your advice to a 16 or 17 or 18 year old that all they want to do is be famous?

00:42:00.000 Is that something they should aim to be?

00:42:03.000 No, no, because it depends how they're presenting themselves.

00:42:08.000 I think at the end of the day, no, you should strive to be authentic.

00:42:11.000 And then if fame becomes a byproduct, then you'll always be grateful that you're able to be yourself and you're able to reach a larger audience.

00:42:18.000 But if your whole goal is to be famous at any cost, you're going to end up being inauthentic.

00:42:23.000 And then when you get to that place, you're going to hate the fact that, hey, I have to now play to this audience and make it appear that I am this person that I'm not.

00:42:30.000 And you'll always feel this tension between you and who you perceive yourself to be to others.

00:42:36.000 So my advice is be authentically you.

00:42:38.000 And if the fame comes, great.

00:42:39.000 You know, if you can help more people through what you're doing, then do it.

00:42:42.000 But do not try to like be famous at all costs because you'll end up feeling that tension that entire time.

00:42:46.000 Do you think most famous people are happy?

00:42:49.000 I would say no.

00:42:50.000 I don't think so because I think a lot of people are famous, but they're not authentic.

00:42:56.000 But they've just come to terms with that and said, you know, this is who I have to be.

00:43:00.000 I do think there are some, but I think the majority probably just saw an opportunity and said, okay, I'm going to become this person because I see an opportunity.

00:43:08.000 So let's bring it back kind of here.

00:43:11.000 So June 10th, you said is the big date?

00:43:14.000 Is that right?

00:43:14.000 Yes, June 10th.

00:43:15.000 June 10th.

00:43:16.000 And how can people help?

00:43:18.000 How can people support you?

00:43:19.000 And then if you get the judgment you want, you just want to close this chapter.

00:43:22.000 Yeah, to support me, I really just want people to look into the story.

00:43:26.000 I want people to talk about it.

00:43:27.000 Just keep eyes on it because, again, I think accountability comes through visibility.

00:43:32.000 It certainly doesn't hurt.

00:43:33.000 So I want people to share this story so that we're more likely to have accountability be had and justice to be served.

00:43:40.000 Beyond that point, again, then whatever happens afterwards, I'm no fortune teller.

00:43:44.000 I don't know what's going to happen.

00:43:45.000 I just hope I'm able to use this whole experience to help other people and be and use it for you.

00:43:50.000 But what's your advice to men right now that are being wrongly accused of sex crimes?

00:43:54.000 Understand that you're not alone and just go find your support system.

00:43:57.000 Keep fighting.

00:43:58.000 Yeah, and keep fighting.

00:43:58.000 Were there times when you wanted to give up?

00:44:00.000 Absolutely. 0.99

00:44:00.000 Yeah, there were many times where I said maybe I should just end things because you mean like kill yourself? 0.99

00:44:04.000 I had those thoughts.

00:44:05.000 Yeah.

00:44:05.000 I had suicidal thoughts.

00:44:06.000 Wow, that's nice.

00:44:07.000 And I wasn't the only one of the other victims that have had those thoughts as well.

00:44:10.000 And that's why I want to stop this from happening again.

00:44:11.000 I don't want any man to ever feel like that.

00:44:14.000 Well, of course not.

00:44:15.000 And know that you're not alone and that you have a great purpose in front of you.

00:44:19.000 So in closing here, the date is on June 10th.

00:44:26.000 People can support and pray for you and get behind you.

00:44:29.000 And who knows?

00:44:31.000 Any ambitions, what you want to do for the rest of your life?

00:44:33.000 Again, I just want to be able to be a voice for those that feel like they don't have one.

00:44:38.000 And I feel that I've done something very unique and I have the ability.

00:44:41.000 I'm very open and transparent.

00:44:42.000 And I think that vulnerability allows me to reach a large group of people.

00:44:46.000 And so I hope that I'm able to be able to continue helping as many people as I'm able to, whether that's 1,000, 10,000, a million, I don't know.

00:44:53.000 I don't care.

00:44:54.000 I just want to be able to serve my purpose.

00:44:56.000 And I think my purpose is tied into being an advocate with mental health.

00:44:59.000 Clayton, Clayton Eckert, thanks so much, man.

00:45:01.000 God bless you.

00:45:02.000 Look forward to getting to know you even better.

00:45:04.000 And I hope you have a triumph of truth and justice.

00:45:08.000 I hope so too.

00:45:09.000 On June 10th.

00:45:10.000 And I'll say it more bluntly, there's an attack on men in this country.

00:45:15.000 And it's happening, white men, especially.

00:45:18.000 And it's wrong. 0.99

00:45:19.000 It's terrible.

00:45:20.000 And we need to turn the incentive structure away against that and administer some justice.

00:45:25.000 So thank you, Clayton, so much.

00:45:26.000 God bless you, man.

00:45:27.000 Thank you so much.

00:45:30.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:45:31.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:45:34.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

00:45:38.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - May 31, 2024

What Happened to ‘Innocent Until Proven Guilty?’ With Clayton Echard

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