00:01:20.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:29.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:02:13.000Well, it's because they're Republicans, and that's kind of what Republicans do.
00:02:17.000Look, after that fiasco we saw yesterday, the only thing I found good about it is there were only 14 of them.
00:02:25.000About 10 years ago, before Donald Trump, you know, before the Tea Party really established itself, there would have been 30 of these preening nitwits.
00:04:36.000I mean, I don't think they want to, maybe they do.
00:04:39.000Maybe they actually had that planning meeting, but I mean, is there some sort of they think that they're going to win over moderate voters by doing this or they can appease the Democrats?
00:06:08.000And he doesn't care if he has to screw over the voters because, well, you know, they're voters and, you know, they probably sweat when they work.
00:06:18.000Well, that's awfully cynical, and I totally agree.
00:06:21.000And I mean, there's 14 of them that voted for this.
00:06:24.000And then he says, I want you to expand on this a little bit more actually and get a chance to really tell our audience about this.
00:06:29.000And then he smugly says, and next immigration.
00:06:32.000Can you walk our audience through that?
00:06:36.000I can't, unless you have some sort of political death wish.
00:06:40.000Do they want to remain in the minority?
00:09:51.000And so then you read the actual language of the law of other states red flags.
00:09:55.000It's, do you think you're a danger to yourself or others?
00:09:58.000I get emails every single day from people that threaten my life.
00:10:03.000Of course, they never get arrested, but they say you're a danger to democracy.
00:10:07.000Well, you know, if guns are so bad, perhaps you'd want to arrest, I don't know, a meth addict with weird stuff on his laptop who's walking around with a gun and filled out a gun form wrong.
00:10:41.000You know, the book is, I wrote the book because there are a lot of trends in our society that are getting people down, getting people scared, and they should be.
00:10:53.000I think we're going to come through it on the other end.
00:10:56.000But the new book explores a lot of the worst case scenarios.
00:11:01.000And I get to leverage a lot of my military experience and my legal stuff and my pop cultural stuff.
00:11:09.000I talk about whether maybe we're going to just die out as liberal lying women decide to stop having children and just live with their cats.
00:11:18.000And eventually our cities are deserted like in Japan.
00:11:21.000Or maybe we'll have a national divorce.
00:11:59.000And, you know, I talk about everything from low-grade insurgencies to actual, you know, mechanized forces moving on the battlefield, something like you might see out in Ukraine and what that would look like.
00:12:11.000And I talk about the impact on real people.
00:12:14.000You know, I'm a former stand-up comic, so this is not a battan death march of unfunny, bowtie, conservative garbage.
00:12:22.000There's nothing I hate more than those crucifix conservatives who make conservatism boring.
00:13:13.000So, yeah, that was going to be my question: where do you think we actually are going?
00:13:16.000Because I know there's all these different scenarios.
00:13:18.000But if this continues, when you do not have an opposition party in Washington, D.C., do you think a national divorce is something in the cards?
00:13:26.000Is that something that you think we're getting closer towards?
00:13:29.000I mean, for example, Arizona is being invaded.
00:13:32.000We had 1,900 people come in the UMI sector last night, 1,900.
00:13:46.000Look, I think we're going to see more and more of that because these behaviors on the part of the federal government are driving people to extremes.
00:13:55.000And people and the Overton window, you know, when leftists open the Overton window, it's open for us too.
00:14:03.000And one of the things I write about is something I worry about because I don't think that just because you're conservative, you have somehow repealed human nature.
00:14:11.000I write about the authoritarian temptation.
00:14:14.000There is a temptation to have a strong man come in and make all the problems disappear.
00:14:20.000But when all the problems have disappeared, you have a whole new set, like a constitution that's not in effect.
00:14:26.000So I think we have to be very careful about what we do.
00:15:03.000And we don't have time to dive into this right now.
00:15:05.000I do want to make sure I reiterate the title for our audience, though, The Fall and Rise of America by Kurt Schlichter, which is, we have a lot of people on this program.
00:15:13.000And what concerns me is that smart people like you, you're not even able to agree on the diagnosis of where we are.
00:15:20.000And that's really, and so 20 seconds, what are your thoughts on that?
00:15:25.000Well, I think it's good that we don't all agree on everything.
00:15:27.000I think, look, when I was a battalion commander, I would gather, you know, 10 people in and say, what do you guys all think?
00:15:33.000We have a, in the conservative movement, we have a lot of great thinkers, and we have to not fall into this trap of being afraid of disagreement like leftists are.
00:16:05.000Great book, The Fall and Rise of America.
00:16:10.000Look, free speech, religious liberty, and the Second Amendment.
00:16:13.000Our rights are being destroyed across the board.
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00:18:40.000You've been on the cutting edge of what's happening in Uvalde.
00:18:43.000I think this is important for two reasons.
00:18:45.000Number one, we should always care about the truth, always.
00:18:47.000But number two, I think that it's important when it comes to our gun control debate right now.
00:18:53.000Because if we look at Uvalde as the facts actually show us, this has very little to do about gun purchasing or red flag laws and a lot more about a police failure to intervene.
00:19:10.000Well, one of the big things that people need to understand about Uvalde, and it's actually something that even in the initial reporting, so, and this is something where I do have to ask for forgiveness on because when this all happened, I was over in Davos, Switzerland.
00:19:36.000And they start releasing these documents based on the timeline, based on some of the 911 calls, the dispatcher calls with the local chief.
00:19:44.000And so now we've been able to dig through those documents, to dig through this hearing.
00:19:49.000And one thing that I think everybody needs to understand is that this guy, Pete Arredondo, one of the names you need to memorize in this is Pete Arredondo.
00:19:59.000Originally, the way it was being reported, I think a lot of people had the misunderstanding that he was the chief of police for all Uvalde.
00:20:48.000When you're hearing this, it doesn't appear that they actually had a very strong plan for how to deal with an active shooter.
00:20:56.000They've gone through some trainings and they've read a few materials, the PowerPoints that get pushed out by DOJ, et cetera, that most law enforcement agencies around the country go through.
00:21:05.000But sure, they check the box, but did they have an actual plan for dealing with school shooters within the geography of their school itself?
00:21:13.000Because this school district, it does include multiple schools.
00:21:16.000You've got elementary school, middle school, you've got a high school nearby.
00:21:21.000You need to know, if you're assigned to a school like that, you need to be understanding of that day in, day out.
00:21:28.000So the two biggest things that I think right off the bat that we can immediately identify as lies, essentially, that were told in the early days of this.
00:21:39.000And these were lies that unfortunately led Greg Abbott, I think the day after this happened, to praise the response of the police.
00:21:46.000Obviously, that has not aged very well, but then he later came out, I think it's almost immediately, and said that he had been misled.
00:21:53.000The first thing they told us, Charlie, was remember, they claimed that they engaged the shooter outside the school in the parking lot.
00:22:01.000Remember, the very first headlines that we were hearing on this said, oh, there was an engagement, then they shot the officers, the officers fell back, the student, the shooter was able to go inside.
00:22:21.000The person who was engaged, by the way, was a teacher that one of the responding officers mistook for the shooter.
00:22:27.000The shooter at the time was, in fact, outside the school at that point.
00:22:32.000But because the responding officer misidentified the shooter or misidentified the teacher as the shooter, the shooter was hiding behind a car, used that moment to slip inside when they saw the door was open.
00:22:44.000Number two, in terms of a lie that we're seeing on this, we were told again and again that all these, all these stories about you need a special key to be able to open the classroom 111 and 112.
00:22:53.000And they needed the special key and they had to wait for the special key and they had to go find a dig up this janitor and Bortec comes in and they're trying different keys and they finally find the master key.
00:23:04.000And we were told that the reason that they needed that was because the doors were locked from the inside.
00:23:11.000What was revealed yesterday at the hearing from Texas DPS, number one, they actually brought the doors into the Texas legislature there in Austin and it demonstrated for the legislators, those doors do not lock from the inside.
00:24:01.000So I want to know what happened in that hallway, right?
00:24:05.000He's claiming that they went up, they tried the doors, they couldn't enter.
00:24:08.000We haven't found any surveillance footage whatsoever of officers simply trying to open the door, jiggle the handle to see if the room was actually locked or not.
00:24:18.000Because if this shooter is going in and out, then guess what?
00:24:20.000That means that that door is not locked.
00:24:23.000So we've been able to blow two major holes in the story that have been told thus far.
00:24:28.000And then when you're looking through some of the timeline of this, when you're looking at through some of the statements that were being made at the time they were being made, you can see what's what this should have been an amazing response, right?
00:24:40.000Because within the first three minutes of that shooter entering that classroom, you had officers in the hallway within three minutes, which would have been amazing, right?
00:24:51.000Which would have been this wonderful story about police officers stopping a school shooter within three minutes.
00:24:57.000And it would have been a great resounding success story for having, you know, having police officers assigned to schools.
00:25:28.000So this Pete Arredondo, and I see some people saying, well, it's because he didn't have his radio on him.
00:25:35.000Now he leaves his radio outside the school, isn't able to communicate from his point in the hallway to the officers that are in other points of the hallway, yet he's the chief of police of school security.
00:25:48.000And when you look at this guy, and some people have made, you know, made light of the fact that he is someone who donated to Biden.
00:25:57.000Not a lot of money, a couple bucks here and there.
00:26:00.000But the fact of the matter is that is he somebody who isn't exactly a conservative, isn't exactly a traditional, what we would think of as a police officer, that, you know, it seems that he has a pretty good record up until this.
00:26:15.000But when you listen to some of the statements and you go back to the original things that he said, then we match it up with the photos that are coming out from the hallway.
00:26:22.000We match it up with the dispatcher police call that he was made.
00:26:41.000So why didn't the police officers then go with their shields, 19 of them and their long guns into the classroom and go neutralize the shooter?
00:26:55.000I think I've been able to pinpoint this.
00:26:58.000And again, so Aredondo, who was essentially the incident commander on the scene, of course, his lawyers are saying that he never claimed to be the incident commander because he's got a law firm now.
00:27:09.000Yavaldi City has hired a private law firm because they're trying to block the body cam footage coming out in terms of this, right?
00:27:16.000We know they really don't want that coming out.
00:27:18.000What it seems happened was he misunderstood the situation.
00:27:23.000He thought that it was a barricaded shooter with hostages in the situation.
00:27:51.000It's completely insane when you look at some of the explanations that he's trying to come up with, the way his lawyers are trying to block the footage from coming out, the way the city has hired this private law firm to block footage from coming out.
00:28:04.000Because you hear the parents, the parents, by the way, and we have the other story that just came out, post-millennial has it, where an officer who arrived at the scene, off-duty officer, who was a husband of one of the teachers in the room.
00:28:20.000I don't know if it's one 111 or 112, but one of the one of the rooms arrives with his gun, says, I need to go in because my wife just called me.
00:29:11.000And so I'm just trying to comprehend here where there might be some way I could be wrong because we went really hard, really quick, as you know, Jack.
00:29:21.000And if it turns out the facts are only further strengthening our original gut instinct here, right?
00:29:28.000I just, I have, I have to wonder what, what is the, the 19 people that did that, how could they live with themselves by standing there for an hour while kids are getting massacred?
00:29:42.000Like, this is not the police I grew up with.
00:29:47.000Who's got a teacher in there who was killed, by the way?
00:29:51.000Killed, throwing herself in front of the children, sacrificing herself to try to save people by jumping in front of them, taking the bullets.
00:30:00.000No, but the police were too worried to arrest him, but did nothing about the actual shooter.
00:31:29.000Right now, court packing is the real danger to our country.
00:31:32.000Make no mistake, court packing is a coup.
00:31:34.000The radical left is working overtime on new plans to pack the Supreme Court.
00:31:39.000Look, if we do not stop them from installing four more justices so they can rig the system in their favor, it'll be catastrophic for our court, our country, and the American way of life.
00:31:53.000We're gathering a coalition of 1 million patriots to say no to court packing, no to the left-wing agenda, and no to the Supreme Court coup.
00:32:01.000Franklin Graham, former U.S. Attorney General Ed Meese, Dr. James Dobson, the Family Policy Alliance, and more, and over 400,000 people like you are all on board.
00:33:12.000The tragedy is being so politicized that the truth of what happened there on that awful day is that you had 19 people with guns and riot shields that were struck by paralysis of either afraid of being sued or fired or terminated or killed in action.
00:33:33.000So, Jack, I mean, we can go through some of the details here.
00:33:37.000Let me play one of the tapes here, kind of what you were talking about here.
00:33:42.000One of them, I think it was Greg Abbott.
00:34:34.000And not only that, but for some of the children who, it's gory to talk about this, but we do have to bring it up.
00:34:42.000The fact that some of the children might still have been alive at that point.
00:34:47.000If they'd been able to receive medical attention faster had they not waited this long hour that medical attention first responders could have been could have arrived there on the scene.
00:34:57.000Those first critical moments are so fast.
00:34:59.000You're airing, your airway, your breathing, your circulation, all of those things that need to be immediately, if you've got a sucking chest wound, et cetera.
00:35:07.000I know from a little bit of training in the military on some of these things that in the first few moments, that's really when it matters so much.
00:35:13.000But Charlie, you know, getting back to your question that you mentioned before the break, I think it's important for conservatives to look at this and understand that there is a sort of tension, right, between the sort of back the blue bumper stickers and flags and t-shirts that we see.
00:35:29.000And you say, well, back the blue, back the blue, and conservatives back the blue.
00:35:32.000And then you see a situation like this.
00:35:39.000And the answer that I would say to this is: I think when it comes to a situation where you say you back the blue, I mean, that doesn't mean that you necessarily support bad cops.
00:35:48.000You don't support decisions that lead to failure.
00:36:21.000Part and parcel with that, of course, is the right to self-defense, because as every gun owner knows, when seconds count, the police are minutes away.
00:36:29.000And so that's where you have this tension.
00:36:32.000And so I see a lot of conservatives wanting to jump on the defund the police bandwagon.
00:36:38.000They say, you know what, maybe BLM's got some points about this.
00:36:41.000But look, defund the police is what leads you to a problem or leads you to a place where you have poor police officers because you're not making a lot of money.
00:36:50.000Yeah, I mean, you're not competitive and you're demonized.
00:36:54.000You go out there thinking you're following policy and suddenly you're looking at a life sentence for doing your job.
00:36:59.000Yeah, and never, Jack, did are we generalizing the all police?
00:37:02.000We're talking about people that happen to be police officers, 19 of them.
00:37:08.000So if anyone can come on the show and tell me why they waited an hour while they had the best equipment and shields that I think were at their disposal, just come and tell me what the explanation is.
00:37:27.000They're necessary for a functioning in civil society.
00:37:30.000But there is something here that might be a deeper cultural rot beyond just kind of looking at things as like, oh, Charlie, you're advancing the BLM agenda.
00:37:39.000Like, really, I mean, that's such a sloppy argument.
00:37:42.000I want to know what country I'm living in when 19 people with guns and shields sit, you know, 50 feet away from a door that could have been opened while a maniac goes and murders children one by one and they bleed out and they wait an hour.