The Charlie Kirk Show - What Happened to the Country We Grew Up In?

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody, today the Charlie Kirk Show.

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00:00:06.000 Kurt Schlichter, a very entertaining guest, trying to get into the psychology of Republicans.

00:00:11.000 And are we headed for a national divorce?

00:00:14.000 Also, Jack Pesobic gives us the latest out of Uvalde.

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00:01:52.000 With us right now is Kurt Schlichter.

00:01:55.000 He is a phenomenal columnist for Town Hall and also author of We'll Be Back, The Fall and Rise of America.

00:02:02.000 I want to ask him about that.

00:02:03.000 But first, Kurt, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:02:05.000 Maybe you can explain to our audience why are Republicans so willing to betray their voters?

00:02:11.000 Help me out here.

00:02:13.000 Well, it's because they're Republicans, and that's kind of what Republicans do.

00:02:17.000 Look, after that fiasco we saw yesterday, the only thing I found good about it is there were only 14 of them. 0.84

00:02:25.000 About 10 years ago, before Donald Trump, you know, before the Tea Party really established itself, there would have been 30 of these preening nitwits. 0.95

00:02:37.000 I mean, holy cow. 0.82

00:02:39.000 You know, Charlie, you look at these guys and you just imagine their conversation.

00:02:45.000 Hey, guys, we're about to win the Senate.

00:02:48.000 There's a red wave coming.

00:02:49.000 What can we do to screw it up?

00:02:53.000 Let's get his whole team in here.

00:02:54.000 Let's figure this out.

00:02:55.000 Let's convene a council of renowned nitwits of political amateurs to figure out how we can botch the unbotchable. 1.00

00:03:03.000 How do you screw up in an environment with $7 gas and a president who's the only man in human history who forgot how to ride a bike?

00:03:14.000 And yet they've managed to do it.

00:03:16.000 Bravo.

00:03:17.000 Bravo.

00:03:19.000 What's amazing to me, Kurt, though, and maybe you can help me understand this, is that Cornyn goes and gets rebuked to his face.

00:03:27.000 I mean, that's not fun for any human to go through.

00:03:31.000 And then within hours, he turns around and defies his voters.

00:03:37.000 Is there a deeper explanation to this?

00:03:40.000 This is Cornyn's time in the sun, right?

00:03:43.000 He's the guy he wants to take over for McConnell, who is also screwing up.

00:03:49.000 I actually defend McConnell often as a good tactical leader, but he has totally boxed this one, Charlie.

00:03:55.000 I mean, he is, this is amateur hour.

00:03:58.000 But he lets Cornyn run with us. 0.95

00:04:00.000 Cornyn's like, wow, I'm in the limelight.

00:04:02.000 And of course, it goes to his head.

00:04:04.000 And he comes out with this.

00:04:07.000 And then, like, he needs a cherry on top.

00:04:11.000 He's heard saying, okay, next, immigration.

00:04:15.000 I mean, literally, how do you plan to screw up worse?

00:04:21.000 Like I said, you would have to have a planning session to screw, you know, brainstorming.

00:04:25.000 Okay, how can we mess this up even worse?

00:04:28.000 Yeah, that's bad, but you can do worse.

00:04:32.000 It's staggering, unbelievable.

00:04:34.000 But what is their internal calculus?

00:04:36.000 I mean, I don't think they want to, maybe they do.

00:04:39.000 Maybe they actually had that planning meeting, but I mean, is there some sort of they think that they're going to win over moderate voters by doing this or they can appease the Democrats?

00:04:50.000 What is their internal calculus here?

00:04:53.000 Well, first of all, I think it's really personal driven, personally driven.

00:04:57.000 I think Cornyn really likes this. 1.00

00:04:59.000 He wants to show himself as somebody who can take over for McConnell someday when McConnell finally withdraws within his shell forever.

00:05:09.000 But he thinks there's polling out there that supports it.

00:05:12.000 Of course, the polling is: would you support something that would stop people from hurting kids?

00:05:17.000 And it's like 95% of people are like, yeah, I would.

00:05:20.000 And he's like, huh, well, everybody seems to support it because, you know, of course.

00:05:28.000 These guys didn't get here there because they're geniuses, okay?

00:05:32.000 You know, Washington, D.C. is full of lawyers.

00:05:37.000 Cornyn's a lawyer.

00:05:38.000 Cornyn's a judge, in fact, or was.

00:05:42.000 But, you know, if they were like any good at it, they'd actually be making money out in the real world.

00:05:50.000 It's a place where mediocrities get a lot of attention. 0.96

00:05:53.000 And that's what we're seeing with Cornyn.

00:05:55.000 He thinks that this is his limelight.

00:05:57.000 No one's ever talked about John Cornyn this much.

00:06:00.000 John Cornyn's wife hasn't talked about John Cornyn this much.

00:06:04.000 This is heaven for John Cornyn.

00:06:06.000 This is his time.

00:06:08.000 And he doesn't care if he has to screw over the voters because, well, you know, they're voters and, you know, they probably sweat when they work.

00:06:18.000 Well, that's awfully cynical, and I totally agree.

00:06:21.000 And I mean, there's 14 of them that voted for this.

00:06:24.000 And then he says, I want you to expand on this a little bit more actually and get a chance to really tell our audience about this.

00:06:29.000 And then he smugly says, and next immigration.

00:06:32.000 Can you walk our audience through that?

00:06:36.000 I can't, unless you have some sort of political death wish.

00:06:40.000 Do they want to remain in the minority?

00:06:43.000 Maybe they do.

00:06:43.000 Really?

00:06:44.000 You have to ask that.

00:06:45.000 And again, I'm a guy who will usually argue with people that McConnell is a parliamentary genius.

00:06:53.000 He's very good at that.

00:06:54.000 He deserves a lot of credit for saving us from Merritt Garland, who's really proved what he is over the last.

00:07:00.000 I agree with that.

00:07:00.000 I think that's fair.

00:07:01.000 I totally agree.

00:07:03.000 And then this, I know, where did this come from?

00:07:09.000 Now, I think he thinks, you know, Cornyn's doing it for himself.

00:07:14.000 I think McConnell's convinced by some polling.

00:07:18.000 I don't know what the others are thinking.

00:07:19.000 I mean, Jodi Ernst, like me, Joni Ernst was a battalion commander.

00:07:26.000 I would expect better from you, Joni, but it's not happening.

00:07:31.000 Here's the most cynical thing.

00:07:33.000 And this is beautiful, Charlie.

00:07:34.000 You'll love this.

00:07:35.000 Sherry Moore Capito of West Virginia, she votes for this abomination. 1.00

00:07:41.000 And she sends a message to her people saying, Well, you know, we got a lot of mental health stuff.

00:07:45.000 And people were talking about red flags, but those are for the states.

00:07:48.000 And we'll never have a red flag law here in West Virginia.

00:07:52.000 It's like, oh, great.

00:07:55.000 That's perfect.

00:07:56.000 It's a terrible law, but we're not going to do it here, so it's okay.

00:08:00.000 I just am staggered.

00:08:02.000 Yeah, that's for the other states.

00:08:04.000 Yeah, that's for the other states.

00:08:05.000 The Constitution doesn't matter.

00:08:07.000 You know, I kind of take it seriously.

00:08:08.000 I deployed two times in defense of our Constitution.

00:08:11.000 This stuff's personal to me.

00:08:14.000 And, you know, as a lawyer, when I look at the red flag laws, I mean, I've seen the movie Minority Report, Hell, I'm in Los Angeles.

00:08:20.000 One of my friends was in it.

00:08:23.000 This whole pre-crime thing where you haven't done anything wrong.

00:08:26.000 That's right.

00:08:27.000 You lose your rights, but you can get them back by spending $10,000 on a guy like me to go in and lawyer for you.

00:08:35.000 Lucky you.

00:08:36.000 What's the other constitutional right that's up to approval from a judge?

00:08:39.000 You know, if you're a criminal, we have a process for that and it's constitutional.

00:08:43.000 It's called prosecution.

00:08:45.000 And then you can get punished if you've committed a crime. 0.83

00:08:48.000 Or if you're crazy, we have constitutional provisions too.

00:08:51.000 You know, we can 5150 them like that great old Van Halen album.

00:08:56.000 And that's constitutionally okay too.

00:08:58.000 But what's not constitutionally okay, Charlie, is going out there and essentially saying, well, you know, you tweeted something.

00:09:08.000 You said something controversial.

00:09:09.000 You know, I got the new book, We'll Be Back, The Rise and Fall of America.

00:09:13.000 I talk in detail about what a civil war would look like.

00:09:15.000 I leverage my military experience.

00:09:18.000 I want people to get some ground truth so they don't talk about it, you know, frivolously because it's something very horrible.

00:09:24.000 But how long before somebody red flags me because I'm talking about civil wars?

00:09:28.000 And how long till some liberal judge goes, oh, okay, well, I don't want to risk it.

00:09:32.000 I'll just take Kurt's rights away.

00:09:34.000 And then Kurt can go and get them back.

00:09:37.000 Maybe.

00:09:38.000 This is America.

00:09:39.000 This is not how we do this.

00:09:41.000 I mean, I will definitely get red flagged by, I mean, like, not at all.

00:09:45.000 Dude, we're so red flagged.

00:09:48.000 Yes, all of us.

00:09:48.000 It's just red flags for everybody.

00:09:50.000 Yep.

00:09:51.000 And so then you read the actual language of the law of other states red flags.

00:09:55.000 It's, do you think you're a danger to yourself or others?

00:09:58.000 I get emails every single day from people that threaten my life.

00:10:03.000 Of course, they never get arrested, but they say you're a danger to democracy.

00:10:07.000 Well, you know, if guns are so bad, perhaps you'd want to arrest, I don't know, a meth addict with weird stuff on his laptop who's walking around with a gun and filled out a gun form wrong.

00:10:21.000 Shouldn't he be arrested?

00:10:22.000 Oh, wait, he's not because he's connected.

00:10:25.000 Oh, wait, maybe you'd want to prosecute gun crimes in Chicago and Los Angeles.

00:10:29.000 Oh, no, no, we can't do that.

00:10:31.000 But we can have something where we can take our political enemies' rights away.

00:10:35.000 That sounds great to me.

00:10:36.000 That's what they're going to do.

00:10:37.000 Kurt Schlichter will be back.

00:10:39.000 Tell us about the book, Kurt.

00:10:41.000 You know, the book is, I wrote the book because there are a lot of trends in our society that are getting people down, getting people scared, and they should be.

00:10:52.000 Look, I'm optimistic.

00:10:53.000 I think we're going to come through it on the other end.

00:10:56.000 But the new book explores a lot of the worst case scenarios.

00:11:01.000 And I get to leverage a lot of my military experience and my legal stuff and my pop cultural stuff.

00:11:09.000 I talk about whether maybe we're going to just die out as liberal lying women decide to stop having children and just live with their cats. 1.00

00:11:18.000 And eventually our cities are deserted like in Japan. 1.00

00:11:21.000 Or maybe we'll have a national divorce. 0.97

00:11:23.000 And I talk about what that is.

00:11:24.000 Now, I don't do family law.

00:11:26.000 I do other kinds of law.

00:11:28.000 But, you know, an American divorce would be like take Johnny Depp Amber Heard times a million.

00:11:37.000 It would be very, very ugly.

00:11:38.000 I talk about the practicalities of it.

00:11:41.000 And then I talk about civil war and I talk about a blue federal government and a red federal government and the many forms it could take.

00:11:48.000 Now, I'm, you know, again, I'm a war college graduate.

00:11:52.000 I went to the party war college, the Chico State of War Colleges, the Army War College.

00:11:57.000 But I know a little about this stuff.

00:11:59.000 And, you know, I talk about everything from low-grade insurgencies to actual, you know, mechanized forces moving on the battlefield, something like you might see out in Ukraine and what that would look like.

00:12:11.000 And I talk about the impact on real people. 0.97

00:12:14.000 You know, I'm a former stand-up comic, so this is not a battan death march of unfunny, bowtie, conservative garbage. 0.98

00:12:22.000 There's nothing I hate more than those crucifix conservatives who make conservatism boring. 1.00

00:12:26.000 I try not to do that.

00:12:28.000 There's some funny stuff in there.

00:12:30.000 I try and make every line either amusing, interesting, or thought-provoking.

00:12:36.000 And I think it's a good book.

00:12:39.000 It ends up with a president looking back because I put little vignettes in there.

00:12:47.000 I think fiction is a great tool for teaching.

00:12:49.000 I put a little chapter as a president looking back in 2033 on how we got where we're going and how we came back.

00:13:01.000 Because I think we will come back.

00:13:02.000 I think America is strong.

00:13:04.000 I think we've got good bones.

00:13:06.000 I think we've got the key and the answer in our Constitution.

00:13:09.000 And all we got to do is put them into effect.

00:13:11.000 But it's going to be a big fight.

00:13:13.000 So, yeah, that was going to be my question: where do you think we actually are going?

00:13:16.000 Because I know there's all these different scenarios.

00:13:18.000 But if this continues, when you do not have an opposition party in Washington, D.C., do you think a national divorce is something in the cards?

00:13:26.000 Is that something that you think we're getting closer towards?

00:13:29.000 I mean, for example, Arizona is being invaded.

00:13:32.000 We had 1,900 people come in the UMI sector last night, 1,900.

00:13:36.000 The federal government doesn't care.

00:13:37.000 In fact, they want them here.

00:13:38.000 Let's just say Arizona just says, you know what, we're going to secure our own border.

00:13:41.000 We're going to do our own thing.

00:13:42.000 You know, federal government, you're no longer sovereign.

00:13:45.000 We're sovereign over you.

00:13:46.000 Look, I think we're going to see more and more of that because these behaviors on the part of the federal government are driving people to extremes.

00:13:55.000 And people and the Overton window, you know, when leftists open the Overton window, it's open for us too.

00:14:03.000 And one of the things I write about is something I worry about because I don't think that just because you're conservative, you have somehow repealed human nature.

00:14:11.000 I write about the authoritarian temptation.

00:14:14.000 There is a temptation to have a strong man come in and make all the problems disappear.

00:14:20.000 But when all the problems have disappeared, you have a whole new set, like a constitution that's not in effect.

00:14:26.000 So I think we have to be very careful about what we do.

00:14:31.000 I'm famously aggressive.

00:14:33.000 I like confrontation, but we've got to understand that we've got to keep our society, our constitutional base system as a whole.

00:14:46.000 It's like a Jenga tower.

00:14:48.000 We keep pulling pieces out of it.

00:14:50.000 And then, you know, everybody try and look surprised when it collapses.

00:14:55.000 The question is, how far down are we?

00:14:58.000 Has it already been?

00:15:00.000 This is the question, right?

00:15:01.000 And that's actually the disagreement.

00:15:03.000 And we don't have time to dive into this right now.

00:15:05.000 I do want to make sure I reiterate the title for our audience, though, The Fall and Rise of America by Kurt Schlichter, which is, we have a lot of people on this program.

00:15:13.000 And what concerns me is that smart people like you, you're not even able to agree on the diagnosis of where we are.

00:15:20.000 And that's really, and so 20 seconds, what are your thoughts on that?

00:15:25.000 Well, I think it's good that we don't all agree on everything.

00:15:27.000 I think, look, when I was a battalion commander, I would gather, you know, 10 people in and say, what do you guys all think?

00:15:33.000 We have a, in the conservative movement, we have a lot of great thinkers, and we have to not fall into this trap of being afraid of disagreement like leftists are.

00:15:43.000 We don't need to conform.

00:15:44.000 I want to hear what everybody has to say.

00:15:46.000 And that's the way we're going to come to the best decision.

00:15:49.000 I'm optimistic, Charlie.

00:15:50.000 I think our country is strong.

00:15:52.000 I think our ideology is right.

00:15:53.000 And I think we're going to win.

00:15:54.000 My hope is in the people that have not fought for 40 years to wake up and fight.

00:15:59.000 And I think we're going to see a realignment like we've never seen before.

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00:16:03.000 Come back anytime.

00:16:05.000 Great book, The Fall and Rise of America.

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00:18:15.000 With us right now is Jack Pesobic.

00:18:16.000 He's been on our show many times, but now our first time, his first time on our Real America's Voice program.

00:18:22.000 Jack, welcome back.

00:18:23.000 I'm very excited to be here, Charlie.

00:18:24.000 And super congratulations again on getting the contract and getting everything signed off to deal with Real America's Voice.

00:18:31.000 I think this is going to 10X everything you do, which means you'll be at like 10,000 X from where everybody else is.

00:18:36.000 Well, you're very kind, Jack, and you've played a big part of that.

00:18:39.000 So Jack, I want to compliment you.

00:18:40.000 You've been on the cutting edge of what's happening in Uvalde.

00:18:43.000 I think this is important for two reasons.

00:18:45.000 Number one, we should always care about the truth, always.

00:18:47.000 But number two, I think that it's important when it comes to our gun control debate right now.

00:18:53.000 Because if we look at Uvalde as the facts actually show us, this has very little to do about gun purchasing or red flag laws and a lot more about a police failure to intervene.

00:19:08.000 What are your thoughts?

00:19:10.000 Well, one of the big things that people need to understand about Uvalde, and it's actually something that even in the initial reporting, so, and this is something where I do have to ask for forgiveness on because when this all happened, I was over in Davos, Switzerland.

00:19:22.000 I'm going up and down the Alps.

00:19:24.000 We're getting detained.

00:19:25.000 We went to Ukraine.

00:19:26.000 I come back.

00:19:27.000 And that's when I really was able to start sinking my teeth into the details here.

00:19:31.000 Then yesterday, the Texas Department of Public Safety comes out.

00:19:34.000 That's the head of the Texas police.

00:19:36.000 And they start releasing these documents based on the timeline, based on some of the 911 calls, the dispatcher calls with the local chief.

00:19:44.000 And so now we've been able to dig through those documents, to dig through this hearing.

00:19:49.000 And one thing that I think everybody needs to understand is that this guy, Pete Arredondo, one of the names you need to memorize in this is Pete Arredondo.

00:19:59.000 Originally, the way it was being reported, I think a lot of people had the misunderstanding that he was the chief of police for all Uvalde.

00:20:07.000 That's not true.

00:20:08.000 He's actually the chief of police for the Uvalde CIDS, the consolidated independent or CIASD school district.

00:20:17.000 So he's the chief of police just for that school.

00:20:21.000 That is his sole duty, his sole responsibility.

00:20:24.000 And it's a six-man force that is directly assigned for the security of that school.

00:20:30.000 They're brought on by the school board, and that's, of course, working in conjunction with the city council.

00:20:35.000 But this really is a situation where he had one charge, and that was the defense of this school.

00:20:41.000 And so when you're looking into this and you're hearing, and we can go through a little bit of the timeline if you want to.

00:20:47.000 Yeah, please.

00:20:48.000 When you're hearing this, it doesn't appear that they actually had a very strong plan for how to deal with an active shooter.

00:20:56.000 They've gone through some trainings and they've read a few materials, the PowerPoints that get pushed out by DOJ, et cetera, that most law enforcement agencies around the country go through.

00:21:05.000 But sure, they check the box, but did they have an actual plan for dealing with school shooters within the geography of their school itself?

00:21:13.000 Because this school district, it does include multiple schools.

00:21:16.000 You've got elementary school, middle school, you've got a high school nearby.

00:21:19.000 You've got multiple buildings, multiple facilities.

00:21:21.000 You need to know, if you're assigned to a school like that, you need to be understanding of that day in, day out.

00:21:28.000 So the two biggest things that I think right off the bat that we can immediately identify as lies, essentially, that were told in the early days of this.

00:21:39.000 And these were lies that unfortunately led Greg Abbott, I think the day after this happened, to praise the response of the police.

00:21:46.000 Obviously, that has not aged very well, but then he later came out, I think it's almost immediately, and said that he had been misled.

00:21:53.000 The first thing they told us, Charlie, was remember, they claimed that they engaged the shooter outside the school in the parking lot.

00:22:01.000 Remember, the very first headlines that we were hearing on this said, oh, there was an engagement, then they shot the officers, the officers fell back, the student, the shooter was able to go inside.

00:22:11.000 That never happened.

00:22:12.000 That never happened whatsoever.

00:22:14.000 That was a smokescreen.

00:22:16.000 I don't know exactly who started that story.

00:22:19.000 Never true.

00:22:20.000 Didn't happen.

00:22:21.000 The person who was engaged, by the way, was a teacher that one of the responding officers mistook for the shooter.

00:22:27.000 The shooter at the time was, in fact, outside the school at that point.

00:22:32.000 But because the responding officer misidentified the shooter or misidentified the teacher as the shooter, the shooter was hiding behind a car, used that moment to slip inside when they saw the door was open.

00:22:43.000 That's number one.

00:22:44.000 Number two, in terms of a lie that we're seeing on this, we were told again and again that all these, all these stories about you need a special key to be able to open the classroom 111 and 112.

00:22:53.000 And they needed the special key and they had to wait for the special key and they had to go find a dig up this janitor and Bortec comes in and they're trying different keys and they finally find the master key.

00:23:04.000 And we were told that the reason that they needed that was because the doors were locked from the inside.

00:23:11.000 What was revealed yesterday at the hearing from Texas DPS, number one, they actually brought the doors into the Texas legislature there in Austin and it demonstrated for the legislators, those doors do not lock from the inside.

00:23:27.000 You can't lock them from the inside.

00:23:28.000 The only way they could be locked from the inside is if there was an electronic system that it's sort of an auto lockdown procedure.

00:23:36.000 They weren't locked.

00:23:37.000 We know they weren't locked because the shooter was going in and out.

00:23:39.000 And that's the second part of the lie from the footage that reporters, it hasn't been released completely yet.

00:23:46.000 Now we do need to see this.

00:23:47.000 I think we're really at the point where we need to demand the body cam of Chief Arredondo in this.

00:23:52.000 That's because he's claiming, he's claiming, well, from what we see, Charlie, is that he never actually went into the classroom, right?

00:24:00.000 That he stayed in the hallway.

00:24:01.000 So I want to know what happened in that hallway, right?

00:24:05.000 He's claiming that they went up, they tried the doors, they couldn't enter.

00:24:08.000 We haven't found any surveillance footage whatsoever of officers simply trying to open the door, jiggle the handle to see if the room was actually locked or not.

00:24:18.000 Because if this shooter is going in and out, then guess what?

00:24:20.000 That means that that door is not locked.

00:24:23.000 So we've been able to blow two major holes in the story that have been told thus far.

00:24:28.000 And then when you're looking through some of the timeline of this, when you're looking at through some of the statements that were being made at the time they were being made, you can see what's what this should have been an amazing response, right?

00:24:40.000 Because within the first three minutes of that shooter entering that classroom, you had officers in the hallway within three minutes, which would have been amazing, right?

00:24:51.000 Which would have been this wonderful story about police officers stopping a school shooter within three minutes.

00:24:57.000 And it would have been a great resounding success story for having, you know, having police officers assigned to schools.

00:25:03.000 That doesn't happen.

00:25:05.000 At that point, Arredondo is on the dispatcher at 1140 saying that we only have pistols.

00:25:12.000 We don't have rifles.

00:25:13.000 That's not true, right?

00:25:14.000 I want to pause you.

00:25:15.000 And you can see in the photos.

00:25:15.000 Yeah, and we have the photos up on screen.

00:25:17.000 So they look like they have long, long rifles, long guns with shields.

00:25:22.000 How is this possible?

00:25:23.000 This guy's just making this stuff up. 1.00

00:25:25.000 He's a liar. 1.00

00:25:27.000 Right. 0.95

00:25:28.000 So this Pete Arredondo, and I see some people saying, well, it's because he didn't have his radio on him.

00:25:35.000 Now he leaves his radio outside the school, isn't able to communicate from his point in the hallway to the officers that are in other points of the hallway, yet he's the chief of police of school security.

00:25:48.000 And when you look at this guy, and some people have made, you know, made light of the fact that he is someone who donated to Biden.

00:25:55.000 He is someone who donated to Beto.

00:25:57.000 Not a lot of money, a couple bucks here and there.

00:26:00.000 But the fact of the matter is that is he somebody who isn't exactly a conservative, isn't exactly a traditional, what we would think of as a police officer, that, you know, it seems that he has a pretty good record up until this.

00:26:15.000 But when you listen to some of the statements and you go back to the original things that he said, then we match it up with the photos that are coming out from the hallway.

00:26:22.000 We match it up with the dispatcher police call that he was made.

00:26:25.000 He had a phone call.

00:26:26.000 He had to use his cell phone because he didn't have his radio.

00:26:28.000 But let me make sure I understand this, Jack.

00:26:30.000 There was a one hour gap between when the police officers were in the hallway between when they neutralized the shooter.

00:26:38.000 Is that still correct?

00:26:40.000 100%.

00:26:40.000 Okay.

00:26:41.000 So why didn't the police officers then go with their shields, 19 of them and their long guns into the classroom and go neutralize the shooter?

00:26:53.000 Why didn't they do that?

00:26:55.000 I think I've been able to pinpoint this.

00:26:58.000 And again, so Aredondo, who was essentially the incident commander on the scene, of course, his lawyers are saying that he never claimed to be the incident commander because he's got a law firm now.

00:27:09.000 Yavaldi City has hired a private law firm because they're trying to block the body cam footage coming out in terms of this, right?

00:27:16.000 We know they really don't want that coming out.

00:27:18.000 What it seems happened was he misunderstood the situation.

00:27:23.000 He thought that it was a barricaded shooter with hostages in the situation.

00:27:29.000 Hold on a second.

00:27:29.000 I just, this is an hour, Jack.

00:27:31.000 And then is responding based on that.

00:27:32.000 But for one hour, you just stand in the hall with long guns while you hear people screaming and suffering.

00:27:37.000 I mean, what sort of, what playbook are they following? 0.94

00:27:44.000 There's no other excuse for this than being a coward, period. 0.95

00:27:48.000 End of story, Charlie. 0.82

00:27:51.000 It's completely insane when you look at some of the explanations that he's trying to come up with, the way his lawyers are trying to block the footage from coming out, the way the city has hired this private law firm to block footage from coming out.

00:28:04.000 Because you hear the parents, the parents, by the way, and we have the other story that just came out, post-millennial has it, where an officer who arrived at the scene, off-duty officer, who was a husband of one of the teachers in the room.

00:28:20.000 I don't know if it's one 111 or 112, but one of the one of the rooms arrives with his gun, says, I need to go in because my wife just called me.

00:28:28.000 She said she's been shot.

00:28:29.000 And then officers outside detain him, disarm him.

00:28:33.000 So the police are more worried about disarming and detaining parents and spouses.

00:28:38.000 But again, I'm failing to understand this.

00:28:40.000 You have 19 people that just stand and do nothing for an hour.

00:28:44.000 Is that a fair thing to say, Jack, or am I oversimplifying it?

00:28:48.000 It's they're throwing up that they were looking for a key, that they didn't know if they could get in.

00:28:54.000 Aredondo, at one point, Charlie, and this is damning for him.

00:28:58.000 This is absolutely damning for him.

00:28:59.000 At one point, he calls the dispatcher and says, We only have pistols.

00:29:05.000 We are outgunned.

00:29:06.000 We need to.

00:29:06.000 But this is, we now have, we have pictures that show.

00:29:09.000 And we know that that's false.

00:29:11.000 And so I'm just trying to comprehend here where there might be some way I could be wrong because we went really hard, really quick, as you know, Jack.

00:29:21.000 And if it turns out the facts are only further strengthening our original gut instinct here, right?

00:29:28.000 I just, I have, I have to wonder what, what is the, the 19 people that did that, how could they live with themselves by standing there for an hour while kids are getting massacred?

00:29:42.000 Like, this is not the police I grew up with.

00:29:44.000 These are not the police I know.

00:29:46.000 Who are these people?

00:29:47.000 Who's got a teacher in there who was killed, by the way?

00:29:51.000 Killed, throwing herself in front of the children, sacrificing herself to try to save people by jumping in front of them, taking the bullets.

00:30:00.000 No, but the police were too worried to arrest him, but did nothing about the actual shooter.

00:30:05.000 Is that right?

00:30:05.000 We're also hearing, by the way, that one of the officers that was in that hallway had a daughter who was killed in that room.

00:30:12.000 And so why didn't he go in?

00:30:14.000 I don't, I just, I don't understand.

00:30:16.000 This is not the country I grew up in, Jack.

00:30:18.000 The country I grew up in is that the two towers have been hit.

00:30:21.000 I don't care what people are.

00:30:22.000 I'm going to go save their lives.

00:30:24.000 I don't get what country do we live in now, Jack?

00:30:28.000 Charlie, we live in a country where we got rid of toxic masculinity.

00:30:32.000 We turned into a country of proceduralists and bureaucrats and middle management, middle managers.

00:30:39.000 And we think that, well, we have to follow the protocol and we have to follow the guidance.

00:30:45.000 And we're waiting for someone to come down from on high to tell us what we're supposed to do.

00:30:50.000 And we've become a country that is afraid to act.

00:30:54.000 And we, at this point, we had men, 19 men, fully armed with shields.

00:30:59.000 Body armor, ballistic shields.

00:31:01.000 And I hear people saying, well, maybe they weren't the right kind of ballistic shields.

00:31:04.000 And this body armor maybe isn't rated for AR-15.

00:31:08.000 Since Columbine, every police officer has taught, if you have an active shooter situation, you go.

00:31:15.000 You go in.

00:31:16.000 You're there to serve and protect.

00:31:18.000 Flight 93 were heroes.

00:31:22.000 That was a different generation.

00:31:23.000 I don't know what is going on right now.

00:31:27.000 Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.

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00:31:39.000 Look, if we do not stop them from installing four more justices so they can rig the system in their favor, it'll be catastrophic for our court, our country, and the American way of life.

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00:32:26.000 I just want to reiterate, I love the police.

00:32:29.000 I'm pro-police.

00:32:31.000 But anything you love should not be immune from criticism or feedback if they act in a certain way.

00:32:40.000 And I want to know the societal and cultural and environmental factors that play in to what we saw in Uvalde.

00:32:49.000 And the failure to be able to tell that story, by the way, plays directly into the Democrats' gun-grabbing agenda.

00:32:57.000 If we all of a sudden say, oh, I don't care about Uvalde, how dare you say that?

00:33:01.000 But we do get emails at people that say, Charlie, time to move on from Uvalde, enough. 0.54

00:33:07.000 Which I think is ridiculous.

00:33:08.000 21 people died.

00:33:12.000 The tragedy is being so politicized that the truth of what happened there on that awful day is that you had 19 people with guns and riot shields that were struck by paralysis of either afraid of being sued or fired or terminated or killed in action.

00:33:33.000 So, Jack, I mean, we can go through some of the details here.

00:33:37.000 Let me play one of the tapes here, kind of what you were talking about here.

00:33:42.000 One of them, I think it was Greg Abbott.

00:33:45.000 Actually, let's play this one here.

00:33:46.000 Let's go to Cut 50, Texas House member on what happened.

00:33:48.000 Play Cut 50.

00:33:50.000 One error, 14 minutes and eight seconds.

00:33:54.000 That's how long the children waited and the teachers waited in rooms 111 to be rescued.

00:34:02.000 And while they waited, the on-seat commander waited for radio and rifles.

00:34:09.000 Then he waited for shields.

00:34:11.000 Then he waited for SWAT.

00:34:14.000 Lastly, he waited for a key that was never needed.

00:34:19.000 14 minutes.

00:34:20.000 So they could have went in, guns ablazing, and someone might have died.

00:34:23.000 That's true.

00:34:24.000 People might have got shot.

00:34:25.000 That is true.

00:34:27.000 But with 19 people, they would have overwhelmed the shooter and potentially children's lives would have been saved.

00:34:31.000 Is that correct, Jack?

00:34:33.000 100%, Charlie.

00:34:34.000 And not only that, but for some of the children who, it's gory to talk about this, but we do have to bring it up.

00:34:42.000 The fact that some of the children might still have been alive at that point.

00:34:47.000 If they'd been able to receive medical attention faster had they not waited this long hour that medical attention first responders could have been could have arrived there on the scene.

00:34:57.000 Those first critical moments are so fast.

00:34:59.000 You're airing, your airway, your breathing, your circulation, all of those things that need to be immediately, if you've got a sucking chest wound, et cetera.

00:35:07.000 I know from a little bit of training in the military on some of these things that in the first few moments, that's really when it matters so much.

00:35:13.000 But Charlie, you know, getting back to your question that you mentioned before the break, I think it's important for conservatives to look at this and understand that there is a sort of tension, right, between the sort of back the blue bumper stickers and flags and t-shirts that we see.

00:35:29.000 And you say, well, back the blue, back the blue, and conservatives back the blue.

00:35:32.000 And then you see a situation like this.

00:35:34.000 And so, you know, what do you do?

00:35:35.000 Do you throw out your back the blue t-shirt?

00:35:37.000 You know, do you get rid of it?

00:35:39.000 And the answer that I would say to this is: I think when it comes to a situation where you say you back the blue, I mean, that doesn't mean that you necessarily support bad cops.

00:35:48.000 You don't support decisions that lead to failure.

00:35:50.000 You call that out.

00:35:51.000 But the answer isn't to defund the police or get rid of police.

00:35:55.000 It's no, you have to actually re-strengthen these institutions in society.

00:36:01.000 Because as conservatives, we want proper law enforcement.

00:36:04.000 We want a proper system of justice, not a two-tier system of justice.

00:36:07.000 And we do want armed officials going forth and preventing crimes from happening in the country.

00:36:14.000 That's kind of the whole point of government, right?

00:36:16.000 Collective defense, you know, defense from crime, defense from aggression, defense from violence.

00:36:20.000 That's sort of the whole point.

00:36:21.000 Part and parcel with that, of course, is the right to self-defense, because as every gun owner knows, when seconds count, the police are minutes away.

00:36:29.000 And so that's where you have this tension.

00:36:32.000 And so I see a lot of conservatives wanting to jump on the defund the police bandwagon.

00:36:38.000 They say, you know what, maybe BLM's got some points about this.

00:36:41.000 But look, defund the police is what leads you to a problem or leads you to a place where you have poor police officers because you're not making a lot of money.

00:36:50.000 Yeah, I mean, you're not competitive and you're demonized.

00:36:54.000 You go out there thinking you're following policy and suddenly you're looking at a life sentence for doing your job.

00:36:59.000 Yeah, and never, Jack, did are we generalizing the all police?

00:37:02.000 We're talking about people that happen to be police officers, 19 of them.

00:37:06.000 And I just want an explanation.

00:37:08.000 So if anyone can come on the show and tell me why they waited an hour while they had the best equipment and shields that I think were at their disposal, just come and tell me what the explanation is.

00:37:19.000 I don't have to overthink it.

00:37:20.000 You don't have to overthink it.

00:37:21.000 If there isn't an explanation, then stop digging in and admit it and be like, this was terrible.

00:37:25.000 This is awful.

00:37:26.000 I love the police.

00:37:26.000 You love the police.

00:37:27.000 They're necessary for a functioning in civil society.

00:37:30.000 But there is something here that might be a deeper cultural rot beyond just kind of looking at things as like, oh, Charlie, you're advancing the BLM agenda.

00:37:39.000 Like, really, I mean, that's such a sloppy argument.

00:37:42.000 I want to know what country I'm living in when 19 people with guns and shields sit, you know, 50 feet away from a door that could have been opened while a maniac goes and murders children one by one and they bleed out and they wait an hour.

00:37:55.000 That's what the facts show us.

00:37:56.000 In Texas, mind you, in Texas.

00:37:58.000 Right.

00:37:59.000 We've lost something in this country.

00:38:01.000 I think it's something that can be regained.

00:38:03.000 And I think it's the rebuilding of society.

00:38:05.000 And conservatives need to look at this as a rebuilding and a restrengthening of society and social institutions.

00:38:12.000 If the new right exists, this needs to be the mantle of the new right.

00:38:16.000 Don't, please don't defend the indefensible.

00:38:19.000 I just, that's my advice to people.

00:38:20.000 Just look at how things are.

00:38:22.000 Just say, wow, that was bad.

00:38:23.000 Okay, let's fix it.

00:38:25.000 What's going on in our culture?

00:38:26.000 What's going on in our country?

00:38:27.000 What's going on with potential lawsuits?

00:38:28.000 What's going on to recruiting not the best people to become police officers?

00:38:32.000 Whatever.

00:38:33.000 Just be honest.

00:38:33.000 Don't defend the indefensible.

00:38:35.000 You lose credibility.

00:38:35.000 Our movement loses credibility.

00:38:37.000 And honestly, it's just not true.

00:38:38.000 So don't say things that aren't true.

00:38:40.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:38:41.000 Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:38:44.000 Thank you so much for listening.

00:38:45.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - June 23, 2022

What Happened to the Country We Grew Up In?

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