The Charlie Kirk Show - What Happens if We Do Nothing? LIVE from Redeemer Bible Church with John Benzinger

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, happy Sunday.

00:00:01.000 A pretty long conversation here where I talk in great detail about what is happening in our country from the Christian perspective.

00:00:10.000 Why should Christians care? 1.00

00:00:12.000 And I did this speech at the wonderful Redeemer Bible Church, sitting down with a phenomenal American, John Benzinger, great American.

00:00:20.000 And we talk about should Christians care? 0.98

00:00:22.000 Where are we at?

00:00:22.000 What do we do?

00:00:23.000 In our country right now, what happens if we do nothing?

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00:00:49.000 Buckle up, everybody, here we go.

00:00:51.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:53.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.

00:00:55.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:00:58.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:01:01.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:01:02.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:01:04.000 His spirit, his love of this country.

00:01:05.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

00:01:12.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:01:21.000 That's why we are here.

00:01:24.000 Charlie, thank you.

00:01:25.000 Thank you for being here.

00:01:27.000 We are excited to have you here.

00:01:30.000 I don't know how many of everybody here knows everything about you.

00:01:34.000 So I just want to get.

00:01:35.000 I certainly hope not.

00:01:38.000 So just would wonder, you know, to get us started, tell us, like, where did you grow up?

00:01:42.000 Where are you from?

00:01:43.000 Wife, kids. 0.90

00:01:44.000 Yeah, so I grew up in the suburbs of Chicago, refugee from Illinois.

00:01:48.000 Anyone else?

00:01:50.000 And moved here to Arizona a couple years ago.

00:01:53.000 Founder of Turning Point USA, which is an organization that some of you might be familiar with.

00:01:58.000 We fight for liberty and freedom on high school and college campuses all across the country.

00:02:02.000 And we believe the next generation should learn to love their country, not hate their country.

00:02:07.000 And we do that.

00:02:08.000 Thank you.

00:02:09.000 We do that every single day.

00:02:12.000 And I had a very interesting path, I guess you could say.

00:02:16.000 I didn't go to college.

00:02:17.000 It took a gap year.

00:02:18.000 It's been a gap decade ever since.

00:02:21.000 And which is the great irony of the whole thing, which is I don't go to college and yet I run a college organization.

00:02:27.000 So I'll let you figure that one out.

00:02:29.000 And actually, I just wrote a book about all of that, which we could touch on maybe a little bit later.

00:02:34.000 And so my wife is in Arizona here, and we got married in May of last year, and we just had a baby girl, which we are super thrilled about.

00:02:44.000 And the most important part of my biography is I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade at Christian Heritage Academy in the North Shore of Chicago.

00:02:52.000 Some of you might be familiar with that school.

00:02:54.000 It's actually founded by Wayne Grudem, who's a fellow Arizonan here, phenomenal Bible teacher and scholar.

00:02:59.000 Most important decision I made in my life was in fifth grade.

00:03:02.000 It has meant more and more to me as I got older.

00:03:05.000 And it really is the driving force of everything that I do.

00:03:08.000 Everything is about the Bible and God's plan and liberty, which is God's idea, not man's idea.

00:03:15.000 And I try to lace that into everything that we do at Turning Point USA and college campuses, on high school campuses, and what we do at TPUSA Faith, our radio show, our podcast, and everything in between.

00:03:26.000 And so, yeah, we're doing our best to try to fight for what we believe are God-given rights and principles.

00:03:33.000 And what I personally believe, and I believe there's more than overwhelming evidence, a nation that was divinely inspired into existence and something that has never happened before in human history, which is an experiment in self-government for the people and by the people, separation of powers, consent to the governed, independent judiciary.

00:03:50.000 These things are very rare to ever see implemented.

00:03:53.000 They're biblical in nature, derived straight from God's word.

00:03:57.000 And I believe we as Christians have a moral prerogative to make sure that civilization continues to flourish.

00:04:03.000 Well, thanks for that.

00:04:04.000 So I try to put myself into the shoes of people that disagree with what we're talking about.

00:04:13.000 And so like right now, if somebody's watching this and they just heard this audience clap at what you just said about the divine origins, the biblical origins of the country, and then before talking about teaching students to love their country and not hate it, some would listen to that and go, that's not what Christians are supposed to do.

00:04:33.000 Christians are just supposed to save souls, and that's it.

00:04:36.000 And so could you help us walk through that?

00:04:39.000 Sure.

00:04:39.000 What Bible are they reading?

00:04:42.000 Well, like, for example, Jeremiah 29, 7, the Lord is speaking to his chosen people, and he says, demand the welfare of the nation that you are in, because your welfare is tied to your nation's welfare.

00:04:52.000 So are we going to disobey God?

00:04:53.000 That's God's teaching in Jeremiah 29, 7.

00:04:55.000 We are commanded to care about our nation.

00:04:58.000 Daniel fasted and prayed for his country.

00:05:00.000 Esther, Mordecai, Nehemiah, Jeremiah, all sorts of figures in the Old Testament sought to be counselors to secular government for God.

00:05:10.000 Not to mention, all throughout the scriptures, we see this struggle, this question of how should man be governed in the earthly realm.

00:05:17.000 Of course, we know that Christ is king and is the chairman of the board of everything we do in our life, but we have to form some form of government.

00:05:24.000 So our founding fathers wrestled with this question, and they didn't do so lightly.

00:05:27.000 So when they came with the three branches of government, they were inspired by Isaiah 33, which is God is the lawmaker, God is the judge, and God is the king.

00:05:36.000 That sounds like our three branches of government.

00:05:39.000 The founding fathers said very clearly that only God should have all three of those powers together.

00:05:43.000 We have to do our best to separate them into three different branches.

00:05:46.000 How about in the Declaration of Independence, where it mentions God four times, and it says explicitly the laws of nature and nature is God?

00:05:54.000 One of the most beautiful statements ever to be written.

00:05:56.000 And the Declaration of Independence that laid the framework for Western civilization as we know it to allow to grow and flourish.

00:06:02.000 But let's pretend none of that is convincing to you.

00:06:04.000 Let me just get straight to it.

00:06:06.000 Charlie, all they care about the gospel.

00:06:07.000 All right, eight out of ten, eighty cents of every dollar that is funding all Christian ministries nationwide comes from this country.

00:06:15.000 Why?

00:06:16.000 Why is this country the most benevolent, productive, entrepreneurial, wealthy country ever?

00:06:21.000 Charlie, I only care about saving souls in Kenya.

00:06:23.000 Fine, how are you going to fund it?

00:06:26.000 Is it the generous people of France?

00:06:28.000 No.

00:06:29.000 Is it the wonderful entrepreneurial backbone of the wonderful people of Brazil?

00:06:34.000 No.

00:06:34.000 It's actually private property-based entrepreneurial capitalism that is the funding mechanism of all the ministries that we love to support.

00:06:41.000 God bless them all.

00:06:42.000 But you need something to be able to buy airplane tickets, be able to give goods out in all this work that you're doing.

00:06:48.000 The world is a better place because of the experiment of America.

00:06:52.000 In fact, the kingdom of God has spread to more nations, more corners, more people have been able to give their life to the Lord because of the United States of America than any other country in the history of the world.

00:07:05.000 So yeah, I think we should care about America.

00:07:11.000 Yeah, but Charlie, I mean.

00:07:17.000 I mean, if God wants this country to be run by tyranny, well, then we should just submit to the tyranny that's happening, right?

00:07:27.000 Yeah, so that would be a misapplication of the teaching of Romans 13, right?

00:07:32.000 So Romans 13, written by Paul, important context before he was obviously imprisoned and eventually killed by Roman leaders, he says that you must submit to all of those in authority.

00:07:44.000 It's the longest writing in the New Testament when it comes to politics.

00:07:49.000 So if we were in communist China or if we were in North Korea, I would have a different approach to this verse.

00:07:55.000 But we actually were given a gift by the founding fathers.

00:07:58.000 And it's very simple, which we need to ask ourselves the question, who is the governing authorities in America?

00:08:04.000 The people.

00:08:05.000 So actually, it's the mayors and the governors and the congresspeople that submit to our will.

00:08:10.000 We don't submit to a mayor that says the church is not essential.

00:08:12.000 It's the other way around.

00:08:14.000 Romans 13 was violated by the mayors, the congressmen, the governors, all those people that decided to take our God-granted natural rights away.

00:08:22.000 The sloppy, civically ignorant way of reading Romans 13 is to say, you must listen to the mayor, but the mayor is not in charge.

00:08:30.000 You gave your power up to the mayor in an election when you elected them. 0.85

00:08:33.000 You're the sovereign.

00:08:34.000 It starts with we the people, not we the politicians.

00:08:37.000 That is a game-changing type of civilizational bedrock principle.

00:08:42.000 The founding fathers inverted the entire way government was done.

00:08:45.000 Before America, absent maybe a little Athenian democracy, a Roman republic that blew up, every single country in the history of the planet was an empire trying to take more lands, trying to subjugate more people, trying to get more people under their oppressive rule.

00:08:59.000 It was subjects, slaves, and serfs. 0.64

00:09:01.000 That's how you lived.

00:09:02.000 You fought other people's wars, and if you were lucky, maybe you were able to have children if they survived, you know, which was a very difficult process for thousands of years.

00:09:10.000 America changed everything.

00:09:12.000 They said, you're a citizen.

00:09:13.000 Whoa, what's that?

00:09:14.000 In Greek, it means co-ruler.

00:09:16.000 You're a co-owner of the nation.

00:09:18.000 Everything changed at that point, that you matter as an individual.

00:09:21.000 In the Declaration of Independence, they said so clearly, all men are created equal.

00:09:26.000 Where do you think they got that idea?

00:09:28.000 You think they got that just from reading secular poetry?

00:09:31.000 No, they got it from the Bible.

00:09:33.000 55 out of 56 signers, that very same document were regular church attending Bible-believing Christians.

00:09:39.000 There's only one that wasn't, poor guy.

00:09:41.000 If not, I could say they were all.

00:09:45.000 This nation was founded by the Black Robe Regiment, by Jonathan Mayhew, by John Knox, by Jonathan Edwards, by George Whitfield, by the sermons of a pastoral community that cared so much about fighting for liberty and self-government.

00:09:58.000 And then we come in the 21st century, some Christians, not all, and they say, no, I don't care about all of that. 0.98

00:10:03.000 You know what that tells me?

00:10:05.000 You are allowed to not care, which is fine, obviously.

00:10:08.000 But how privileged are we to be able to be indifferent because we're recipients of people that weren't indifferent?

00:10:18.000 We are the benefactors of people that cared.

00:10:20.000 And guess what?

00:10:21.000 Not just people, Christians. 0.90

00:10:23.000 Christians that cared enough to create an experiment in self-government.

00:10:27.000 And so, look, I reject all forms of apathy.

00:10:30.000 I believe the Bible is an anti-apathy document in every single corner, whether it be how you eat, how you treat your neighbors, how you raise your children. 1.00

00:10:39.000 The Bible is a blueprint of how to do everything.

00:10:41.000 And yes, how to care about politics and how to vote and what type of government we should live under.

00:10:45.000 So I can't remember your devil's advocate question, but I'm sure that helps out of folks.

00:10:49.000 Absolutely.

00:10:54.000 Yeah, John Adams was asked who were the most influential people behind the revolution, and he named four preachers.

00:11:02.000 And he said, those are the four men that had more to do with anything happening in the American Revolution than anybody else.

00:11:08.000 And then when you go back and read the Declaration of Independence and you go back and read the sermons 15 years before the revolution, you find that the entire Declaration of Independence is just sermon topics in the colonies 15, 20, 15 years before the actual Declaration.

00:11:26.000 Yeah, and the Declaration of Independence is such a beautiful document.

00:11:29.000 We don't teach it to our children anymore, where it says, when in the corseum and events becomes necessary, one people to dissolve the political bands that have tied them to the never deriving the equal station of power of which they derive the laws of nature and nature is God.

00:11:42.000 And it goes on to say, of course, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, that all men are created equal.

00:11:46.000 I mean, these statements we take for granted.

00:11:50.000 But why was it that Thomas Jefferson was able to so eloquently put that?

00:11:54.000 It's because for decades prior, there were those activist preachers.

00:11:58.000 George Whitfield gave anywhere between 26 to 28,000 open-air sermons along the eastern seaboard.

00:12:05.000 So, yes, we celebrate 1776 and we should, but we forget that the soil was tilled by the American church, colonists that started to wrestle with the idea, how would God want us to live?

00:12:18.000 And they started to realize that God's orders and God's rules for life mattered more than King George.

00:12:23.000 That's a literally a revolutionary concept.

00:12:27.000 And with it was the outgrowth of Western civilization, of which we are able to enjoy and flourish in today.

00:12:33.000 There's plenty of malevolent forces that are trying to take it down.

00:12:36.000 And if I could just kind of go a little bit further, my patience wears thin when I have to hear from Christians that I don't care about such a civilization. 0.99

00:12:46.000 It is, and if I offend anybody, great. 0.99

00:12:51.000 It's historically ignorant. 0.95

00:12:54.000 You are so blessed that God allowed you to live in such a civilization.

00:12:58.000 And to say it means nothing to me or that doesn't matter to me, I believe it is the opposite of what Christ called us, which is to be good stewards.

00:13:09.000 It's the opposite.

00:13:10.000 It is to throw, it is to parable the talents of the person that just hid it away and did nothing with it.

00:13:16.000 And Christ had some of his harshest statements and teachings to people who do that.

00:13:21.000 But Charlie, Christians are just supposed to stay out of politics, aren't we?

00:13:28.000 I mean, we're just supposed to worry about saving souls.

00:13:31.000 And we should just stay out of it.

00:13:33.000 This should not be something that we are a part of.

00:13:36.000 Let the world burn itself down.

00:13:38.000 We'll just go, we'll just pull people from the fire and help them go to heaven.

00:13:42.000 Or we could put the fire out.

00:13:46.000 It's not either or.

00:13:47.000 I mean, no, I'm just joking around.

00:13:50.000 People always say, Charlie, the house is on fire.

00:13:51.000 I got to get the kids out.

00:13:53.000 Or you could put the fire out and make the country better and improve things, not just retreat to the hills.

00:13:58.000 And anyway, so let me address one thing you've said here that we shouldn't care about politics.

00:14:02.000 So I'm very clear about this.

00:14:04.000 The most important thing is advancing the kingdom of God and winning souls for Jesus Christ and doing that in every capacity.

00:14:10.000 That is the most important thing.

00:14:12.000 Number one.

00:14:13.000 Number two is to make sure you could do number one.

00:14:18.000 For Christians that still say this, and obviously you're doing a wonderful job playing devil's advocates. 1.00

00:14:22.000 It's really good.

00:14:23.000 You must get a couple emails here and there.

00:14:28.000 We just lived through a time where they called the church non-essential.

00:14:31.000 They kept strip clubs and cannabis dispensaries and liquor stores open.

00:14:35.000 They took Easter and Pentecost from us.

00:14:38.000 Suicide is up dramatically.

00:14:41.000 In-person worship is just finally coming back in some major cities.

00:14:45.000 And we're supposed to all of a sudden kind of say, ah, you know, politics doesn't really matter.

00:14:50.000 Politics came into the church.

00:14:52.000 This is what I always laugh.

00:14:53.000 People say separation of church and state.

00:14:54.000 Not in the Constitution, not in the Federalist Papers, not in the Declaration of Independence.

00:14:58.000 It's nowhere.

00:14:58.000 It's a single letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Baptist Convention, actually assuring them that the government wouldn't come after them.

00:15:06.000 But then I always laugh at people.

00:15:08.000 They say separation of church and state.

00:15:09.000 I say, okay, hold on a second.

00:15:10.000 Then why didn't you keep the government out of the church during the pandemic?

00:15:16.000 Why didn't all if it's true separation, then the church never should have been forced to close.

00:15:22.000 Fines, lockdowns, pastors being arrested.

00:15:25.000 If it was true, it was never separation of church and state.

00:15:27.000 You know what they're really saying?

00:15:29.000 They're saying Christians don't get involved in government.

00:15:31.000 That's all that they're saying.

00:15:32.000 Because for a variety of reasons, they're afraid.

00:15:34.000 They don't like it.

00:15:35.000 They know the power of what the church could potentially do if it actually rose up and got focused on it, which I believe it's in the process of happening.

00:15:41.000 But you do make an important question, though, right?

00:15:44.000 Which is, should we care?

00:15:46.000 And again, we must always be focused on number one.

00:15:49.000 I don't believe in political churches.

00:15:51.000 I don't.

00:15:52.000 I believe in churches that at times talk about political, cultural, and philosophical issues if it's consistent and harmonic with the word of God and the gospel of Jesus Christ.

00:16:02.000 I don't believe in political churches.

00:16:04.000 I believe in churches that glorify God.

00:16:06.000 It's a very important thing that the political church is a pejorative that people throw.

00:16:10.000 They say, oh, that's a political church.

00:16:12.000 What do you mean?

00:16:12.000 What do you mean by that?

00:16:13.000 Do you mean that they're willing to speak out about the unborn, speak out about transgender issues?

00:16:18.000 If you consider that to be a political church, don't read Leviticus.

00:16:21.000 All right?

00:16:22.000 Let's just put it that way.

00:16:23.000 Because you're going to be offended.

00:16:24.000 Thought crime, okay?

00:16:25.000 There's 66 books in the library of the Bible, and you might be a little too focused on just the couple.

00:16:33.000 All of it matters.

00:16:34.000 It's all the inerrant word of God.

00:16:35.000 So to answer another question, though, which is, are there examples of people in the Bible that we revere that cared about government?

00:16:45.000 And as I mentioned, of course there are.

00:16:47.000 I mean, there's numerous examples of Old Testament prophets and thinkers inspired by God wrestling with what is the best form of government.

00:16:56.000 And this is another thing that Christians must understand, which is, you know, they always say, oh, you know, don't legislate my morality. 0.82

00:17:02.000 All legislation is morality.

00:17:04.000 Every piece of legislation is morality.

00:17:06.000 There is no such thing as an amoral piece of legislation.

00:17:10.000 If you find it, show it to me.

00:17:11.000 Everything's a moral claim.

00:17:13.000 I'll give you an example.

00:17:14.000 From slowing down in front of a school.

00:17:16.000 Why do we have such a law? 0.95

00:17:18.000 Because children matter. 1.00

00:17:20.000 That's why.

00:17:21.000 Because society has decided morally that going 45 miles an hour out of a school might endanger children, so we make it illegal to do so.

00:17:31.000 All laws are a reflection of morality.

00:17:33.000 The question is: do you want the secular humanist morality or the Judeo-Christian word of God morality to live under?

00:17:39.000 And so if you are just kind of agnostic to it, then how are we also being salt and light, which are two things that change the environment of which they are in?

00:17:50.000 Salt and light go to something that is a certain way and changes it to be completely different.

00:17:56.000 And so, look, I totally agree.

00:17:57.000 Politics is messy.

00:17:59.000 I get it.

00:17:59.000 Trust me.

00:18:00.000 So is everything else that human beings are involved in.

00:18:02.000 The church is messy.

00:18:03.000 Families are messy.

00:18:04.000 Business is messy.

00:18:05.000 What's the point?

00:18:07.000 The question is: do we have something to offer when there is cloudiness and murkiness?

00:18:12.000 And yes, we do.

00:18:13.000 And may I just suggest a couple?

00:18:15.000 In a time of total confusion and chaos, can the church all agree that men can't become pregnant?

00:18:20.000 Is this something that we could start on?

00:18:24.000 I hope so.

00:18:28.000 This is taught in public schools.

00:18:30.000 Well, Charlie, I don't believe we should get involved in such matters.

00:18:34.000 Only the gospel.

00:18:36.000 Okay, so which part of the gospel?

00:18:38.000 Do you mean that the part where Jesus quoted Old Testament scripture?

00:18:42.000 Are you going to remove that?

00:18:43.000 Or how about the part where Jesus said on this rock, when we all say church, he said, on this rock, build my, it's actually a Greek word, ecclesia.

00:18:49.000 And thanks to Tyndale, who was actually killed for doing such an interpretation, killed by the Catholic Church at the time, we understand that ecclesia actually was a Greek equivalent of a political gathering.

00:19:02.000 Jesus said, on this rock, build my ecclesia.

00:19:05.000 And ecclesia was a place where all the Greek citizens in a local area would meet.

00:19:10.000 And there were two big words when they used to meet, two Greek words that meant eleutheria and isonomia, two Greek words that meant freedom and equality.

00:19:20.000 Wonder what country has that as two aims and ambitions.

00:19:23.000 So instead of not on this rock, build my church, it's on this rock, build my community gathering point, of which you all know the two unifying principles are freedom and equality.

00:19:34.000 That's a lot different than a lot of people would say.

00:19:37.000 So wait a second, Jesus was referenced, because he could have said, on this rock, build my synagogue.

00:19:43.000 On this rock, build my temple.

00:19:45.000 No, but he chose a secular term.

00:19:48.000 Why?

00:19:49.000 Maybe because Jesus did not want compartmentalized Christianity, he wanted comprehensive Christianity.

00:19:55.000 He didn't want to run to the hills and not care about what's happening in the world.

00:19:58.000 He wanted to bring the truth to all facets of human life.

00:20:03.000 So, when it comes to pastors encouraging people, encouraging Christians to stay out of politics, do we have any historical parallels to that?

00:20:16.000 Maybe around the 1930s Germany?

00:20:21.000 Yeah, I mean, look, you went there, so yeah, sure.

00:20:23.000 Okay.

00:20:23.000 I was wondering if there's anything.

00:20:25.000 Yeah, look, the most quoted verse of the Holocaust was Romans 13. 0.59

00:20:30.000 And this is the most important thing that people don't realize.

00:20:32.000 There were thousands of pastors that did nothing during the Holocaust.

00:20:36.000 And I know you're probably exhausted with Nazi reference.

00:20:38.000 Too bad.

00:20:39.000 Get over it, okay?

00:20:40.000 It happened.

00:20:41.000 In a country where there was a lot of institutional Christianity, mainline Protestantism was very well established in Nazi Germany.

00:20:50.000 It was not the majority belief, majority was agnostic, but it was 30 to 40% of the country.

00:20:55.000 And if you want to really all of a sudden challenge your view of what a political pastor is, go read Eric Metaxas' book on a Bonhoeffer.

00:21:05.000 It will challenge your belief to the core of Dietrich Bonhoeffer, who did everything he possibly could to try to stop Hitler because he saw what was happening of God's chosen people that were being systemically murdered.

00:21:17.000 But the American, not the American, the German church at the time said, we're going to do nothing because it says in Romans 13, we must submit to Adolf Hitler.

00:21:24.000 Most quoted verse.

00:21:26.000 Now, I'm not saying that's what we're living through now.

00:21:28.000 I'm not making that.

00:21:29.000 I'm not saying that.

00:21:30.000 But I am saying that we're definitely on a trajectory of tyranny and the same sort of language is being reintroduced very, very generously.

00:21:37.000 And it's not just there, though, by the way.

00:21:39.000 It's country after country that we see where the church agrees to co-opt itself.

00:21:44.000 Another example would be Stalin's Russia. 0.71

00:21:46.000 You know, the Russian Orthodox Church was not shut down by Stalin, even though Stalin was an atheist who actually went to seminary and rejected it completely and wholeheartedly.

00:21:56.000 Stalin was very smart, though.

00:21:57.000 Stalin bought the church.

00:22:01.000 Stalin knew that if he could just purchase the basically the clergy of the Russian Orthodox Church, pay them off, have them loyal to the government, let them still worship, but don't get too rambunctious and never, ever, ever speak against the Soviet government, then just keep it in its place.

00:22:19.000 It's very smart.

00:22:21.000 Now, of course, we have no examples of American Christianity taking money, I don't know, from the CDC or from NIH or from being purchased by secular SOARs-funded nonprofits.

00:22:32.000 The American church, of course, is not for sale.

00:22:38.000 If you look at history, some of the great atrocities ever committed was not because there were no Christians, it's because Christians that were there did nothing. 0.99

00:22:46.000 So, since you went there, Charlie, can you can you be more specific about what you just said?

00:22:54.000 Christian pastors, Christian leaders being bought off in order to because here's the thing: Christians, like right now, we will get slammed for having an event that would geared more towards the right politically.

00:23:11.000 If we had an event, if this is the right, then we're messed up.

00:23:14.000 I mean, I've said nothing political.

00:23:16.000 No, I haven't.

00:23:17.000 Right, exactly.

00:23:18.000 But if we had the same event and we geared, moved it toward the left, we'd be cheered.

00:23:24.000 And there would be nothing about being political.

00:23:26.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:23:28.000 And I want you to put those two things together: being bought off and the move to the left in the evangelical church.

00:23:34.000 Since you went there, I think that's the thing.

00:23:36.000 Well, no, I think it's actually a great question for those of you that really study your Bibles.

00:23:40.000 If you're being persecuted, are you closer to the truth or further away from the truth?

00:23:44.000 There you go.

00:23:45.000 Okay, so you're right. 0.99

00:23:46.000 If we had Drag Queen Story Hour tonight. 0.94

00:23:48.000 Yeah, you know, we'd be celebrated by the Arizona repugnant and all these people, right? 0.69

00:23:53.000 We had all these, oh, they're so wonderful and they do a great job and they're so great.

00:23:57.000 Okay, wonderful.

00:23:58.000 Yeah, so you're right.

00:23:59.000 So, I mean, it actually should give you a little encouragement that you talk about such matters that people get up in arms.

00:24:05.000 But yeah, so look, at a more fundamental level that I think we need to explore is, you know, the labeling is so insane and so sloppy.

00:24:14.000 If I gave this same speech with these principles 30 years ago, you wouldn't have been able to identify my political leanings.

00:24:19.000 You wouldn't.

00:24:20.000 To talk about the brilliance of the founders and the historicity of the Declaration of the Constitution and all this.

00:24:26.000 But now it just seems as if it's become politicized and whatever.

00:24:30.000 I mean, you know, that's the kind of time.

00:24:32.000 Isn't there a warning over the Constitution right now that some of the language in this might trigger you?

00:24:38.000 So be careful when you read, like in the National Archive right now?

00:24:42.000 Yeah, that is true, amongst other things.

00:24:46.000 I mean, if they even teach the Constitution anymore in our schools, which is just terrible.

00:24:50.000 But yeah, look, I mean, to your point, American Christianity doesn't speak out about this.

00:24:54.000 There's three types of churches.

00:24:55.000 We should just talk about it, okay?

00:24:57.000 And American Christianity has become a business model, right? 0.91

00:25:01.000 Which is at times about more baptisms.

00:25:03.000 Unfortunately, it's more times than baptisms about bigger buildings and bigger budgets, right?

00:25:08.000 It's all about the three B's, right?

00:25:09.000 Mostly bigger buildings and bigger budgets, by the way.

00:25:12.000 And most pastors do not want to disrupt the business model, okay?

00:25:16.000 And talking about these issues mean that people might leave, they might stop tithing, they might stop offering.

00:25:21.000 And what an unbelievably coward disservice to the kingdom of God and to what God has given us in this country to work, well, I might lose somebody because they get upset that I say that there's men and women were created. 0.96

00:25:38.000 It's ridiculous. 0.97

00:25:39.000 Okay, so we have three different types of churches. 0.97

00:25:42.000 It's the three C's.

00:25:43.000 Let's start with the good.

00:25:44.000 You're in one of the good churches.

00:25:46.000 You're in a courageous church right now.

00:25:49.000 This is a great church and you are being led very well.

00:25:53.000 This comes at a cost and comes at a price, though, right?

00:25:56.000 Angry emails, people get upset, whatever, right?

00:25:59.000 There's a choice has been made, a line has been drawn.

00:26:02.000 Praise God that you have a leader to be able to guide you through it because, boy, is that necessary.

00:26:07.000 Okay.

00:26:08.000 The courageous churches are growing in number and they're also being blessed by the Lord with, ironically, more tithes, more offerings, and more attendance.

00:26:18.000 In fact, it's the churches that have taken a stand the last couple years that are flourishing and being blessed, and it's the ones that have gone completely off the reservation that actually are seeing a decline in attendance and tithing and offering.

00:26:30.000 So the first are the courageous churches.

00:26:33.000 The second are the cowardly churches. 0.99

00:26:35.000 Now, all of you probably know a cowardly pastor or a cowardly church. 0.92

00:26:39.000 Now, what if you say, Charlie, define it?

00:26:40.000 Okay, they said nothing after Roe versus Wade was repealed.

00:26:44.000 Could think of someone, I could think of a couple dozen. 0.98

00:26:46.000 There's your coward, okay? 1.00

00:26:48.000 By the way, there's worse things in the world than being a coward. 1.00

00:26:51.000 No, there are. 1.00

00:26:52.000 You could be evil. 0.70

00:26:53.000 I'm not saying being a coward is being evil. 0.99

00:26:56.000 I'm not saying it's good, but there's worse things in the world than being a coward.

00:27:00.000 Okay? 0.97

00:27:00.000 It's understandable to be a coward. 0.97

00:27:02.000 Okay. 1.00

00:27:03.000 Peter was a coward. 0.98

00:27:05.000 In the Bible, there's plenty of examples of being a coward. 0.99

00:27:08.000 We should love on the cowards. 0.98

00:27:09.000 I'm not kidding. 0.97

00:27:10.000 You should find the coward and take them out to lunch and take them out to dinner and challenge them and try to build them up to try to be able to find the courage that God gives them. 0.97

00:27:21.000 Cowardly people are an opportunity. 0.85

00:27:23.000 I mean that completely.

00:27:24.000 Maybe they need to know there's others.

00:27:26.000 They need community.

00:27:26.000 They need to see what the path forward is.

00:27:29.000 And that's the biggest group of people.

00:27:31.000 Charlie, we only do the gospel here.

00:27:32.000 We don't do any of that.

00:27:33.000 Okay, what parts?

00:27:35.000 What part of the Bible do you teach and do not teach?

00:27:38.000 Do you teach the part about obeying God and not obeying man?

00:27:42.000 Do you teach Jeremiah 29, 7?

00:27:43.000 Do you teach the part about Daniel disobeying government authorities and praying and defying it, which got him thrown into Lion's Den?

00:27:49.000 Do you teach Leviticus?

00:27:51.000 Do you teach the Ten Commandments?

00:27:52.000 Which parts of the Bible do you teach and not teach?

00:27:54.000 That's your number one question when they say we only teach the gospel.

00:27:57.000 Number one.

00:27:58.000 And then say, do you teach morality?

00:28:00.000 And they'll say, of course we do.

00:28:01.000 Okay, do you teach how morality then might affect people in your congregation?

00:28:05.000 For example, do not murder.

00:28:07.000 Do you maybe talk about how that might impact what's happening around you?

00:28:10.000 These are very important questions, by the way, that cowardly pastors will be very clumsy in answering because deep down they know you're right.

00:28:17.000 They just do.

00:28:18.000 I'm not saying you have to give 52 sermons a year about how, you know, the Bible inspired the Federalist papers, okay?

00:28:26.000 But maybe a mention once a quarter about something that's going on in the world to give clarity to your congregation.

00:28:33.000 And let me just add on this before I go to the third type of church.

00:28:35.000 What a disservice and missed opportunity.

00:28:37.000 I see this all the time.

00:28:38.000 Churches that seize on this are growing because you are being propagandized every day by secular culture on how to believe what to believe in the news, transgenderism, your kids are on TikTok, all this stuff.

00:28:48.000 And the pastor says, I'm not going to give you a clarifying biblical lens to make sense of what's happening.

00:28:55.000 You are abandoning your flock.

00:28:57.000 They're asking you for help.

00:28:59.000 They're asking you, like, hey, how do I think about this issue?

00:29:03.000 Oh, no, we don't do that around here. 0.94

00:29:05.000 My daughter thinks she's a man. 1.00

00:29:07.000 We don't do that around here.

00:29:10.000 You're basically saying, I don't love you enough to tell you the truth because I want my business model to continue. 0.97

00:29:17.000 Okay, that's a cowardly church.

00:29:18.000 The third, though, this is the one that I definitely kind of throw the little chin music, a little fastball, up and high, if you will. 0.89

00:29:27.000 Very little patience for these people is the complicit church.

00:29:30.000 Okay?

00:29:31.000 These are the people with the BLM flags and the LGBT flags. 0.76

00:29:35.000 And they're the pastors that are coming out that saying Jesus is a socialist or saying that Jesus is pro-abortion. 0.96

00:29:40.000 Okay, that's much worse than being a coward. 0.95

00:29:43.000 Okay? 0.99

00:29:43.000 That is then pervert. 0.99

00:29:45.000 Yeah, that's evil.

00:29:46.000 That's exactly right.

00:29:46.000 That's perverting the word of God for your own purpose, whatever that very well might be.

00:29:51.000 They're actually not the majority of the churches.

00:29:54.000 They're growing in certain areas, but it is the intentional perversion of the word of God for a secular, humanist, progressive, quasi-demonic political agenda.

00:30:05.000 And those churches need to be called out.

00:30:07.000 Those teachers need to be challenged.

00:30:10.000 And we need to continue to cross-examine them very publicly. 0.91

00:30:14.000 So three types of churches, courageous, cowardly, complicit. 0.99

00:30:17.000 Most are cowards. 0.98

00:30:18.000 We want to bring them into the courageous category. 0.96

00:30:20.000 We want to encourage the courageous.

00:30:21.000 We want to support the courageous.

00:30:23.000 And the complicit, we must draw the line in the sand and call them out what they are, which I believe the teachers that are complicit teachers are the exact false prophets that we are warned about in 1 Peter, and I believe they'll be treated appropriately.

00:30:37.000 Exactly.

00:30:44.000 So can you, we see it every day, so I'm not asking you to do anything that we don't already know a little bit about.

00:30:51.000 But can you paint a picture for just how serious the situation is right now, just nationally?

00:30:58.000 Yes, and let me also comment on something you also said earlier, which is it's a temptation for those of us that read our Bibles, and I believe we have to be very careful about this, which is it's the temptation of the overemphasis on eschatology.

00:31:13.000 Now, eschatology is the study of the end times.

00:31:16.000 And some of you here tonight are probably like, Charlie, this is all great and good, but Jesus is coming next Thursday.

00:31:23.000 I hope there's nobody here like that.

00:31:29.000 I speak at a lot of churches.

00:31:30.000 I hear a lot of different things.

00:31:33.000 And they say, things are not falling apart.

00:31:35.000 They're falling into place.

00:31:37.000 And by the way, you very well might be right.

00:31:39.000 Now, there's pre-trib eschatology, right?

00:31:42.000 There's post-trib eschatology, right?

00:31:45.000 I tend to be pan-trib, it's all going to pan out in the end, right?

00:31:51.000 I love the debates, I stay out of them.

00:31:53.000 I'm not a theologian, that's not what I do.

00:31:54.000 And you know, there's been phenomenal scholarship on all that have at it, right?

00:31:59.000 Here's what I will say, though: is that Jesus said, occupy till I come.

00:32:04.000 That the hour and the day is unknown.

00:32:07.000 If you are allowing your eschatology to be an excuse for inaction, that is not biblical.

00:32:14.000 It can be a comfort, though.

00:32:15.000 That is a difference.

00:32:17.000 Eschatology can be a comfort in the midst of conflict, meaning that you know there's a broader plan, you know that God is working sovereign in a sovereign fashion, so it could comfort you, but it should not allow you to be inactive.

00:32:30.000 It's a very important distinction.

00:32:32.000 And I get emails every so often, Charlie, I'm done.

00:32:36.000 We are homesteading.

00:32:37.000 I'm bringing the kids to northern Vermont.

00:32:40.000 And, you know, Jesus, and it always ends with like, Jesus is coming soon.

00:32:45.000 And I always ask, what is soon?

00:32:50.000 When is soon exactly, right?

00:32:50.000 Right?

00:32:53.000 And if you are going to act in a way where what would, what do you want to be caught doing basically when Jesus comes again?

00:33:00.000 That's the question I always ask.

00:33:01.000 What do you want to be caught doing?

00:33:03.000 And even more immediate, how do you want to explain the last week, right?

00:33:03.000 Right?

00:33:07.000 Were you running away and retreating when souls needed to be saved, right?

00:33:11.000 When young kids needed to be, you know, rescued from this insidious LGBT ideology, right? 1.00

00:33:17.000 When the massacre of abortion continued?

00:33:19.000 You want to be like, oh, I was homesteading.

00:33:22.000 Okay, great.

00:33:23.000 No, I want to be able to say, hey, I was in the arena.

00:33:26.000 I was messing up and doing all things, but I was in the arena.

00:33:29.000 I was not a spectator.

00:33:30.000 So I just want to kind of mention that, which I think is really important.

00:33:35.000 And I forgot the question.

00:33:36.000 What was the question again?

00:33:37.000 That's all right.

00:33:38.000 I'm going to ask another question before I get back to that one.

00:33:40.000 Sorry.

00:33:41.000 So when you and I were talking, you actually not only pointed to biblical figures, biblical heroes who had political influence.

00:33:51.000 I mean, we have the prophets.

00:33:52.000 I mean, that's the entire 16 books of the prophets in the Old Testament speaking against national sin going on.

00:33:59.000 And so the church is supposed to have a prophetic voice, but they're also historical heroes.

00:34:04.000 You mentioned one in Tyndale.

00:34:06.000 We have Luther.

00:34:07.000 I mean, here we have people that many Christians look to and go, those are heroes.

00:34:12.000 John Knox and John Calvin, like these are heroes.

00:34:15.000 These are people that we put their pictures on our walls or we look back at history and go, man, I wish I could have an ounce of their courage.

00:34:22.000 But what did their courage lead to?

00:34:25.000 Well, yeah, I mean, look at Luther.

00:34:26.000 I mean, Luther was a rebel.

00:34:30.000 And not just a rebel.

00:34:31.000 I mean, it was a rebel with a cause.

00:34:34.000 I mean, Tyndale in particular is a very interesting one.

00:34:37.000 If you've never studied Tyndale, you don't know who he is.

00:34:40.000 You have the King James Bible thanks to Tyndale.

00:34:43.000 So Tyndale was hunted down, literally, for deciding to translate the Bible for the common folk.

00:34:50.000 I believe Tyndale is the least appreciated figure that led to the birth of Western civilization, America, and the commoner being able to get in a relationship with Jesus Christ.

00:35:01.000 And so what Tyndale did is he rejected, not rejected, he questioned and was skeptical of some of the Latin translation that the Catholic Church had.

00:35:11.000 So he got his hands on a Bible and he said, wait a second, I'm a little bit skeptical here.

00:35:16.000 So he went to original source manuscripts to the Koigne Greek, taught himself Koigne Greek.

00:35:21.000 You didn't have all these websites back then where you could learn Koigne Greek, okay?

00:35:25.000 And he literally became a master to be able to get back to what was it, what was it really saying?

00:35:32.000 Also, obviously going back to the Hebrew in mostly the Old Testament, but the New Testament is written in Koine Greek, spoken in Aramaic, but translated and written Koine Greek.

00:35:42.000 This was not a small piece of rebellion.

00:35:45.000 This was an act of treason against the government to do.

00:35:49.000 But he believed that everyday normal people, in particular his native country, Lil Bias, Scotland, wanted, you know, needed it, that everyday people needed to have a relationship with God.

00:36:00.000 So he gets this done.

00:36:01.000 He pulls it off, and it changes the world.

00:36:04.000 Because all of a sudden, people start reading the word of God, and the word of God never returns void.

00:36:08.000 And people start all of a sudden being like, wow, I can give my life to the Lord individually, right?

00:36:14.000 And it gave the Protestant Reformation the jet fuel to continue.

00:36:20.000 And of course, there were all these other things that happened, the advent of the Gutenberg press and the ability to mass produce Bibles.

00:36:26.000 But without Tyndale translating it, that was the missing piece.

00:36:30.000 And so how did Tinsdale die?

00:36:32.000 They crucified him, literally.

00:36:32.000 Tyndale died.

00:36:34.000 They set him on fire.

00:36:35.000 That's right.

00:36:36.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:36:38.000 Even not as brutal, but...

00:36:40.000 For translating the Bible into English.

00:36:42.000 That's right.

00:36:43.000 75% of your English Bible is Tyndale.

00:36:47.000 Like what you have right now is Tyndale, 75%.

00:36:51.000 And I can't remember it.

00:36:52.000 Boy, two years ago, I would have.

00:36:53.000 His final words before he died was something like, it was after the king or something was very sharp that he said before he died that was prophetic.

00:37:02.000 I'll remember it or someone will look it up.

00:37:04.000 Tyndale's last words was just beautiful.

00:37:06.000 Anyway, so this idea that the Christianity that we enjoy was just created by rule followers is just not true at all.

00:37:16.000 Now, we have to be careful, you know, what rules we break and how we break them.

00:37:19.000 That's where the Holy Spirit comes in and praying and fasting comes in.

00:37:24.000 But there's multiple examples.

00:37:25.000 I mean, we obviously mentioned Bonhoeffer and the founding fathers and so many others, not to mention, you know, George Washington, who was a godly man who prayed and fasted for his nation, a stoic figure filled with wisdom and godliness that was the father of our nation.

00:37:42.000 And there's so many things that happened, the founding fathers did, inspired by biblical Christianity, that we just totally and completely take for granted, not the least of which should be, why did we all of a sudden decide to abolish slavery?

00:37:56.000 Slavery was the norm.

00:37:57.000 It was everywhere.

00:37:59.000 Nine out of 13 colonies by the time the Constitution was ratified in 1787 abolished slavery.

00:38:05.000 Thomas Jefferson wrote extensively in the original draft of the Declaration of Independence, admonishing King George for bringing the slave trade to America.

00:38:12.000 Benjamin Franklin, who was called a deist by some people, he might have had a conversion to Christianity at the end of his life.

00:38:18.000 It's not proven, but his best friend was Whitfield, who was a pastor, so it makes you think.

00:38:22.000 He chaired the first anti-slavery convention in the world in Philadelphia in the year of 1775.

00:38:28.000 The question should not be, why was there slavery?

00:38:30.000 And we should hate them for it.

00:38:32.000 It should be, why did we actually start the process to get rid of it?

00:38:35.000 You know, there's more slaves today in the world than any other time in human history.

00:38:39.000 The idea of human beings owning human beings, tragically, unfortunately, was the norm before America.

00:38:45.000 And guess what?

00:38:46.000 It was also the British force, which was literally led by William Wilberforce, a Christian leader who abolished the British slave trade, actually before us technically, and cut in line while we were simultaneously struggling with the exact same thing.

00:39:00.000 And so, look, there's a multitude of examples.

00:39:03.000 But here's something, and this is why you ought to be careful sending your kids to government schools.

00:39:07.000 If you see something historically noteworthy, a Christian was probably behind that. 0.98

00:39:13.000 Probably.

00:39:14.000 Or something that was inspired by the Judeo-Christian moral construct.

00:39:18.000 Very rarely does a secular atheist do something that is worthy of a triumph or a celebration. 0.98

00:39:26.000 Very rarely.

00:39:29.000 Well, Charlie, I wish you had conviction about this stuff.

00:39:35.000 This is my watered-down speech, just so we're all clear, okay?

00:39:38.000 This is my church speech.

00:39:39.000 You guys should come to a college campus and you'll have a lot of fun.

00:39:42.000 And by the way, the message never changes.

00:39:43.000 It's just a matter of intonation.

00:39:46.000 Let's put it that way.

00:39:47.000 Tyndale's last words were prayer that God would open the king of England's eyes.

00:39:52.000 And so here he is.

00:39:52.000 There you go.

00:39:54.000 The King James Bible ended up being published like 20 years later.

00:39:54.000 And he did.

00:39:57.000 King James.

00:39:58.000 Yeah, in 1613 or something.

00:39:59.000 Exactly.

00:40:00.000 That's what I was forgetting.

00:40:01.000 Thank you.

00:40:02.000 So I have a question here from a young girl in our audience.

00:40:08.000 So, but I think you've been doing it, but just in general, you're known for giving people answers.

00:40:14.000 You're known for taking objections.

00:40:17.000 And so this question is kind of a general one, but how do you give biblical, conservative answers to those you disagree with?

00:40:24.000 Like, it's a broad question, but just in general.

00:40:28.000 I mean, look, I struggle with it at times, right?

00:40:30.000 You have to do it lovingly, but also full of grace and full of truth.

00:40:34.000 But look, let's learn from the best communicator ever, Jesus Christ.

00:40:37.000 He asked questions.

00:40:39.000 And so if you find someone who you disagree with or you find someone that doesn't share your views, just ask questions.

00:40:45.000 Where do you get that from?

00:40:46.000 What's your basis for that?

00:40:47.000 What is good?

00:40:49.000 What is the definition of good?

00:40:51.000 Is it your opinion or is there a moral objective standard?

00:40:53.000 So all these things are helpful, right?

00:40:55.000 Instead of telling people something, ask questions.

00:40:57.000 Put them on a journey towards learning.

00:40:59.000 That's at least my experience the best way to do that.

00:41:02.000 Now, I'm sure you'll see a multitude of YouTube videos of someone that isn't that sweet in asking a question, which is if someone on a college campus comes and they're just full of venom and hatred, we have fun.

00:41:15.000 Let's just put it that way, okay?

00:41:17.000 And again, it's all about if they're insulting you and all this, then okay, then we're going to have a little bit of a back and forth and let the best ideas and the better communicator win.

00:41:29.000 So it's all about who you're dealing with.

00:41:31.000 And I really believe this, and I believe you have to be discerning, but it's whether or not you're dealing with somebody in good faith, too, right?

00:41:37.000 If somebody is just trying to be a troll and if they're just trying to waste your time, I'm a big believer in just walking away.

00:41:43.000 I am.

00:41:44.000 And I know some people might disagree with that, but if someone is just trying to irritate you and not really trying to learn, then just say, forget it.

00:41:53.000 It's not worth your time.

00:41:55.000 Pray that the Lord moves their heart or moves them towards conviction.

00:41:58.000 But if they're just trying to make a mockery after a couple minutes, you see that, your time is much more valuable.

00:42:03.000 There's a lot of people that need your serious focus than just people that are there trying to waste your time.

00:42:07.000 But, Charlie, we're supposed to be so winsome, though, aren't we?

00:42:14.000 100% of the time.

00:42:17.000 Again, I always ask, what Bible are they reading, right?

00:42:20.000 You know, in the book of Luke, you know, somebody said to me the other day, they said, Charlie, Jesus came here to unify.

00:42:27.000 And I said, so what's your verse for that?

00:42:31.000 And they said, oh, it's just obvious.

00:42:32.000 I said, no, no, like, show me, what's the verse?

00:42:34.000 Chapter and verse.

00:42:35.000 Yeah, chapter and verse.

00:42:36.000 No, that sounds good, right?

00:42:37.000 That's very Eastern, like Buddhist.

00:42:39.000 Yeah, unifying.

00:42:40.000 Where does it say that?

00:42:41.000 He came to unify the body of Christ.

00:42:43.000 That's true.

00:42:44.000 Unify the church.

00:42:45.000 Where does it say he came to unify the world?

00:42:48.000 Jesus said explicitly, I did not come here to bring unity, but division.

00:42:54.000 I will turn siblings against one another, father against son, mother against daughter.

00:42:59.000 It's a very harsh teaching, very hard for some people, but it's right there.

00:43:04.000 It's biblical.

00:43:05.000 So, again, unity in the body of Christ.

00:43:08.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:43:10.000 Unity in the world?

00:43:11.000 No.

00:43:12.000 Truth by definition divides.

00:43:15.000 It has to.

00:43:17.000 And when we understand the spiritual dimension, when you're dealing with a usurper, a deceiver, which is a very real spiritual being of Satan, which again, some churches decide not to talk about Satan ever, right?

00:43:31.000 It's always like this one-sided equation as if there's not, it's not, we're not dealing with these very demonic spiritual dimensions that are always trying to bring us down.

00:43:41.000 Then we have to understand that you say something true, you will all of a sudden receive backlash and you'll receive spiritual opposition from the deceiver who hates truth itself, which is Jesus.

00:43:51.000 Jesus is truth.

00:43:52.000 He didn't just say true things, he was truth himself.

00:43:55.000 And so, yeah, look, to answer your question, be winsome all the time.

00:43:59.000 Jesus went into the holy temple and threw around tables because they were changing money.

00:44:08.000 There's a time for truth and there's a time for grace.

00:44:12.000 You must be 100% of those, hopefully all the time.

00:44:15.000 I never think you should be unfair.

00:44:16.000 I never think you should be unruly or any of those things.

00:44:18.000 But this idea that we must be passive when evil is happening in front of you is not biblical and it's not Christ-like.

00:44:26.000 But, Charlie, seriously, if the world likes us and thinks that we're great, then they're going to like Jesus, right?

00:44:38.000 No.

00:44:40.000 No.

00:44:41.000 If the world likes you, you got a problem.

00:44:43.000 And I mean, just read James 1.

00:44:45.000 It is a guarantee that you're going to be persecuted.

00:44:48.000 And you could see this.

00:44:50.000 Every pastor that has whacked theology, those are the ones that get on Oprah and they're the ones that get all of it, right?

00:44:58.000 Oh, you know, I'm not saying that there's one way to God.

00:45:00.000 There's multiple ways to God.

00:45:02.000 Book deal, Barnes and Noble, all this stuff.

00:45:05.000 So strong theology will give you condemnation from the world.

00:45:09.000 Now, this is important.

00:45:10.000 You shouldn't try to seek condemnation to be just like unruly and unpleasant.

00:45:15.000 But when it comes your way, inevitably, don't act shocked, okay?

00:45:19.000 That's what I always get.

00:45:20.000 People say, I'm just, I'm so nice.

00:45:22.000 I'm just so, I'm going to try to be so good, and I receive nothing but backlash and all this.

00:45:27.000 Let me just be very clear, okay?

00:45:28.000 If you say there's two genders and if you believe marriage is between a man and a woman, and you believe that life begins at conception, you're not going to have a lot of friends in the media, in the culture, or in all of that, okay?

00:45:38.000 It's impossible.

00:45:40.000 Yeah, even in family.

00:45:42.000 Yeah, exactly right.

00:45:42.000 It's okay.

00:45:43.000 That's fine.

00:45:44.000 But you have friends here in the family of Christ, which, you know, is honestly eternally much more important.

00:45:50.000 So, look, this is an equation that I hear where people say, yes, if they like us, then they're going to go bring themselves to Jesus.

00:45:57.000 So let's actually test this out, right?

00:46:00.000 So we've had a multi-decade test of watered-down Christianity. 0.60

00:46:03.000 For multi-decades, we were told, I'm going to be loved by the culture.

00:46:07.000 I'm going to go do the movies.

00:46:09.000 I'm going to go minister to NBA players.

00:46:11.000 I'm going to go dress like a gangbanger or like whatever, right?

00:46:15.000 And everyone's going to love me and therefore they'll love Jesus.

00:46:18.000 Is America less Christian or more Christian now? 0.89

00:46:20.000 Less.

00:46:20.000 Far less.

00:46:21.000 Are young people more Christian or less Christian?

00:46:24.000 Less.

00:46:25.000 Are young people demanding more truth right now? 0.94

00:46:28.000 Or are they wanting to actually, young people are going more towards, like, just give me the truth.

00:46:32.000 We have the most suicidal, alcohol-addicted, drug-addicted, miserable, anxious generation in history.

00:46:38.000 And the prevailing genre of Christianity is the watered-down form of Christianity.

00:46:43.000 So we've run the experiment, and it has shown that it actually has created America to be less Christian. 0.84

00:46:49.000 Here's the thing: the world will never actually love Jesus because it's at odds with what the world actually is.

00:46:56.000 Because you have to understand who runs the world.

00:46:59.000 The prince of this world is Satan.

00:47:01.000 God called, God, I'm sorry, Satan.

00:47:04.000 Paul called Satan the God of this world.

00:47:07.000 Jesus called him the prince of this world.

00:47:09.000 So by definition, this principality that we are in is currently being governed by the evil one.

00:47:18.000 So if that principality starts to give you approval and you're like, yeah, and kind of, I'm going to do this kind of bait and switch, and that's going to get them to give their life to the Lord and all this.

00:47:27.000 Like, okay, if you water down everything and they become a member of your church and then one day they open up the book of Deuteronomy and they have a question like, well, I didn't know you guys have in your book that, you know, that homosexuality is wrong. 0.78

00:47:41.000 Well, then you have to do what Andy Stanley does, right?

00:47:43.000 Who's, you know, calls himself a pastor.

00:47:45.000 Sorry if I'm going to get you in trouble here.

00:47:47.000 I apologize, but I have to do this.

00:47:48.000 He calls himself a pastor in Georgia.

00:47:51.000 And, you know, he says that, quote, the Christianity is not just about the accuracy of the Bible.

00:48:01.000 It's about the testimony of just Jesus of Nazarene. 0.91

00:48:05.000 He says we should de-emphasize the Old Testament and just focus on the four, you know, the four gospels.

00:48:12.000 This is Andy Stanley, which I always ask the question: why did Jesus quote the Old Testament so much?

00:48:18.000 How are you supposed to understand any of that?

00:48:20.000 So long-form answer of way to say that that's complete nonsense.

00:48:24.000 Don't try to invite the criticism, but when it comes, don't be shocked, surprise, and embrace it.

00:48:32.000 So can you paint a picture now of the national, just the state that we're in right now?

00:48:38.000 You did that.

00:48:40.000 Yeah.

00:48:40.000 Look, we're in a mess.

00:48:41.000 Okay.

00:48:41.000 I mean, there's no doubt.

00:48:44.000 We're in a total mess.

00:48:46.000 And I mean, how much time you got?

00:48:48.000 What topic, right?

00:48:49.000 You want to talk about the border?

00:48:51.000 You want to talk about CRT?

00:48:52.000 You want to talk about gender confusion.

00:48:55.000 What I'm doing is I'm getting ready for the next question is what should, how should Christians respond to what is going on?

00:49:02.000 Sure.

00:49:03.000 Okay.

00:49:03.000 So let me try to narrow the mess, which I think it's actually more helpful this way.

00:49:11.000 We have a case of Alzheimer's right now as a nation.

00:49:14.000 And anyone who's ever dealt with someone with Alzheimer's, one of the hardest things to see.

00:49:19.000 It is a very, very, very terrible thing.

00:49:23.000 And we have that as a country.

00:49:24.000 We don't know who we are, where we came from.

00:49:26.000 We don't know our history.

00:49:27.000 We don't know our name.

00:49:28.000 We don't know our founding principles.

00:49:31.000 And we're in complete and total societal, civilizational, moral, religious, and spiritual confusion.

00:49:38.000 That's where we are right now.

00:49:40.000 And so I believe that impacts all the other issues.

00:49:43.000 So if you can't tell me what America is, why we are here, then how on earth are we going to go about fixing it?

00:49:50.000 So that's the most important thing.

00:49:52.000 So what exactly is America?

00:49:54.000 America is an experiment in self-government, spired by the Bible, thanks to courageous Christians, that believes that one person, one party, one group of people should not be able to have the power over others without their consent.

00:50:08.000 You believe power should be separated.

00:50:09.000 You believe in independent judiciary.

00:50:11.000 You believe in checks and balances.

00:50:13.000 You believe in private property rights, all of which are biblical values.

00:50:16.000 But more than all of that, there's a spirit, there's an Americana spirit that makes us, in my personal opinion, different, which is Americans have always stepped up to a challenge when there's one in front of us.

00:50:26.000 Always.

00:50:26.000 Is that we don't complain when there's problems.

00:50:28.000 We have the French for that, right?

00:50:33.000 We don't just retreat to our villas. 0.65

00:50:35.000 That's what the Italians are for. 0.94

00:50:38.000 We don't retreat.

00:50:39.000 That's the French again. 0.99

00:50:43.000 Instead, no, Americans step up to the challenge.

00:50:46.000 And there's an uncomfortable truth behind this at times.

00:50:50.000 And this is why I believe the Bible, you know, you need to read the parts about warfare, because at times, things can get a little messy to defend good.

00:50:58.000 Sometimes you got to all of a sudden kind of get into the game a little bit.

00:51:03.000 Remember, Paul used the imagery of the armor of God for a reason, okay?

00:51:07.000 He didn't use the sewing kit of God.

00:51:11.000 But you got to get into combat and be willing to do something about it, which is this: which is all of us are able to go home tonight and still enjoy the last gasp of a free and civil society because of a couple generations ago, the greatest generation that was willing to step up and face evil and exterminate it from the planet.

00:51:31.000 And to be consistent, if a Christian pastor says we shouldn't get involved in politics, we shouldn't care about it, then what they are doing, and you should challenge them on this, is they're saying the greatest generation was wrong to go away to go to war in the Asian and the European theater.

00:51:46.000 That's what they're saying, because that was a political move.

00:51:50.000 When they stormed Normandy Beach, that's a moral and political move, saying that's evil, and we're going to sacrifice and we're going to do what's necessary to stop it.

00:51:59.000 Pastors that say don't get involved in politics are basically saying the greatest generation was wrong.

00:52:04.000 That's what they're saying.

00:52:06.000 And they don't want to say it out loud.

00:52:07.000 And it's kind of the final complete.

00:52:09.000 You had a second part of the question you wanted to ask?

00:52:12.000 Well, no, I want to build off of the Alzheimer's thing because I think it's definitely Alzheimer's, but there's also a sense of fear of losing my comfort.

00:52:22.000 Oh, yeah.

00:52:24.000 So I'm comfortable in my Alzheimer's.

00:52:26.000 I'm comfortable in my ignorance.

00:52:28.000 And if I actually did start to try to say something, it's like you said earlier, people are going to get mad at me.

00:52:35.000 People are going to leave the church.

00:52:37.000 People are going to, family members will disown me, all of these things.

00:52:41.000 And so at that point, the question becomes one of comfort or courage.

00:52:46.000 Yes.

00:52:46.000 Right?

00:52:48.000 So we should have comfort in Christ, but not comfort in the world.

00:52:52.000 It's really interesting you pinpoint that word comfort.

00:52:55.000 It's been actually a fascination of mine the last couple of months.

00:52:58.000 There's a secular book that's written that has biblical truth all throughout it called Comfort Crisis.

00:53:03.000 It's a phenomenal book for any young person you have right now that might be dealing with depression or anxiety.

00:53:07.000 It's not a biblical book, but all throughout it has biblical truth.

00:53:10.000 And the argument that he makes, he makes it from a Darwinian point of view, but you could easily change it to that of a creation point of view, which I believe, which is he thinks we evolved to be it.

00:53:19.000 But I believe that God created us to not be comfortable.

00:53:24.000 That actually comfort kills us.

00:53:26.000 That it's bad for the soul, that it's bad for our body, it's bad for our mind.

00:53:31.000 That waking up every single day and having three meals you don't have to think about in your air-conditioned car, right, not having to work for any form of pleasure, I actually think it's deteriorating our mind, body, and soul together.

00:53:44.000 And so there's kind of parlay that theory and that thesis of which Michael Easter writes in the book Comfort Crisis to what you say, which is, is that also the same thing as being comfortable in relationships and just comfortable not to offend?

00:53:58.000 The answer is absolutely yes.

00:54:00.000 I actually think the most miserable people are people that prioritize comfort over everything else.

00:54:06.000 I think it actually tortures you.

00:54:09.000 The freest people I know, the happiest people I know, the people that are closest to the Lord, that are most joyful, are the people that are always doing something adventurous and risky and pushing forward for the kingdom of God.

00:54:21.000 I mean, you read Acts.

00:54:23.000 I mean, Paul was on like a scenic missionary.

00:54:26.000 The guy was all, it wasn't like it is today where you could just fly around.

00:54:30.000 He was in Athens.

00:54:31.000 He was in Thessalonica.

00:54:32.000 He was in Corinth.

00:54:33.000 I mean, this guy was doing things.

00:54:35.000 You think he was comfortable?

00:54:38.000 No, I mean, the gospel of Jesus Christ, as we know it today, was made possible by people that were constantly not caring about comfort but caring about courage.

00:54:47.000 I think that's a really insightful point that you focus on.

00:54:50.000 But boy, this is the great irony and the paradox of everything I just said about the greatest generation, though, right?

00:54:56.000 They were such a great generation that they created a civilization that allows us to be comfort without effort.

00:55:02.000 Isn't that the great paradox?

00:55:03.000 They were so great, they're almost too great that we haven't had to really do anything of meaning that is above and beyond us for the last 60 or 70 years.

00:55:12.000 I'm not saying you've done nothing.

00:55:14.000 People have served in wars.

00:55:15.000 Thank you for your service, police officer, all this.

00:55:16.000 But let's be honest, what they did in a short period of time was civilizationally so beyond heroic versus anything that's happened in the last 70 years.

00:55:24.000 It was so beyond, it was so unbelievable that we've kind of been able to be at homeostasis for the last 70 years.

00:55:30.000 And now we have to ask the question: does that mean I might have to miss Sunday night football?

00:55:37.000 And you're right.

00:55:38.000 That does worry people.

00:55:40.000 The retreat from comfort is something that makes people very worried.

00:55:45.000 So I'm imagining somebody right now that would say, okay, this is so uncomfortable because this is Christian nationalism. 0.99

00:55:53.000 That's what this is.

00:55:54.000 And that's wrong.

00:55:55.000 And so this is all wrong.

00:55:57.000 How would you, this is the big moniker.

00:56:00.000 This is the slander that's being labeled on all Christians who would say anything like, I don't know, the Bible and the Declaration.

00:56:09.000 There's a ton of it in there.

00:56:11.000 Yeah, they use this slander intentionally because they, look, the left is very smart.

00:56:16.000 And now I am going to get a little political in the last 30 minutes.

00:56:19.000 The left, the secularists, the progressives, whatever you want to call them, they're very smart in one way.

00:56:24.000 I know that it's kind of hard to hear this at times, but they know this.

00:56:24.000 They could do math.

00:56:30.000 The greatest untapped political asset that has yet to be mobilized is the American church.

00:56:34.000 And they are terrified that if the American church did exactly what it did in the 1980s with Falwell and others, did what it did with Billy Graham, they know that they'll be displaced from political power at every single level of government very quickly.

00:56:48.000 They know that.

00:56:49.000 They've done the numbers.

00:56:50.000 There's 85 million evangelical Christians in America.

00:56:55.000 Only half of them are registered to vote.

00:56:57.000 And only half of them vote in elections.

00:57:00.000 So it's about 25 to 30 million.

00:57:02.000 That's a lot of people, right?

00:57:04.000 But they've done the math. 0.93

00:57:06.000 And all of a sudden they're like, Christian nationalism is the worst thing ever. 0.98

00:57:08.000 What they're trying to say is they're trying to stop what they see is the last gasp of the guardians of Western civilization, the very group of people that actually founded the country, caring so much to actually go and vote and mobilize and do things.

00:57:21.000 So they're trying to preempt it.

00:57:22.000 I don't even know how to properly respond to the Christian nationalist argument because they're trying to say it in a pejorative way.

00:57:28.000 But if I take those two words independently, those are two very important things that I totally support.

00:57:33.000 Christian.

00:57:34.000 Okay, I'm a Christian.

00:57:35.000 I'm a Bible-believing Christian that believes in the inerrancy of scripture. 0.98

00:57:37.000 I believe Jesus Christ died for my sins and rose from the dead, and he's on his throne.

00:57:42.000 Yeah, I'm a Christian.

00:57:44.000 Okay, a nationalist.

00:57:45.000 Do I love America?

00:57:46.000 Of course I do.

00:57:48.000 And you actually, you didn't call me a nationalist Christian.

00:57:50.000 You call me a Christian nationalist of the order's right.

00:57:54.000 And so, but again, people are like, I don't like the word nationalist.

00:57:58.000 Okay, it's been so completely smeared by everyone in the corporate media and all this.

00:58:02.000 What does it really mean?

00:58:03.000 It means that you love your nation and you want the priorities of your fellow citizens to be put above that of international interests and crony self-dealing, and you believe that there's a social contract in place to look after your nation.

00:58:17.000 That's what a nationalist is.

00:58:19.000 Okay, how is that different than Jeremiah 29, 7?

00:58:22.000 Demand the welfare of the nation that you are in because your welfare is tied to your nation's welfare.

00:58:27.000 Oh, my welfare tied to nation's welfare, demand it, Lord speaking, Jeremiah 29, 7.

00:58:31.000 Okay, that's pretty simple.

00:58:32.000 So if you get the order right, that's the way.

00:58:34.000 But what they're really saying is, this is the scary group of Christians that are going to put their morality into government. 1.00

00:58:40.000 Wait a second, our morality, wait, you mean the, like, let's be very clear: the morality that we put into government is this: that nine-year-olds shouldn't be able to get gender mutilation surgery.

00:58:51.000 The morality that we'll put into government is pornographic curriculum should not be in public schools, that the unborn need to be protected.

00:58:59.000 If that's all of a sudden legislating morality, then buckle up, I suppose, because I will do that enthusiastically.

00:59:08.000 And if you think that the Bible is, you know, the Bible is the source of that, but it's all kind of a very big fear and scaremongering campaign.

00:59:14.000 I'm not phased by it.

00:59:16.000 I know, I see what's happening here.

00:59:18.000 And I'll just kind of talk a little more politically for a second, and this might turn some people off, but that's okay.

00:59:23.000 Which is the church is the only institution the American left has not completely taken over.

00:59:30.000 Corporations, academia, government, FBI, and all of this.

00:59:35.000 And it's the church built this country.

00:59:38.000 The church has saved this country at every single corner in turn.

00:59:41.000 Billy Graham, who I consider to be the great evangelist of the last 100 years, gave a sermon where he said socialism, collectivism, and communism is Satan's religion.

00:59:51.000 If Billy Graham is willing to say that, I think every other American pastor should be willing to say that right now.

00:59:56.000 If the church decides to wake up and rise up, the country could be realigned politically in a matter of days.

01:00:04.000 So what's keeping that from happening right now?

01:00:06.000 Yeah, those three buckets, right?

01:00:08.000 So most are cowardly business model type stuff, right?

01:00:11.000 Because I think it's interesting, right?

01:00:13.000 So one of my hearts for American Christianity is to actually make churches smaller. 0.87

01:00:19.000 Now, I know this is a provocative thing, right?

01:00:21.000 And I'm not trying, and you might disagree with this and all that.

01:00:24.000 I think that, you know, churches that are 500 to 1,000 people is like that perfect sweet spot.

01:00:30.000 I really do.

01:00:31.000 You guys can feel the disagree because I think massive, massive, massive churches, it can work, right?

01:00:37.000 You know, I go to Dream City Church.

01:00:38.000 They do a phenomenal job, you know, up in the North Valley and all that.

01:00:42.000 But largely, the big business model that is massive corporate Christianity, there's a couple others in the valley that I won't mention.

01:00:50.000 The incentive structure is to not care about truth.

01:00:54.000 It's to care about putting people in seats and getting tithes and offerings and just sustaining your own size.

01:01:01.000 So I am generalizing because there's exceptions to all rules, right?

01:01:04.000 I mean, John MacArthur's church is big and Jensen Franklin's church is big.

01:01:08.000 But large in part, you end up getting more Andy Stanley's and Rick Warren's when you start to corporatize your Christianity.

01:01:15.000 It's a general rule.

01:01:17.000 So I think just as a practice of that, and then also it's, and I know this has been a recurring theme, but it's, it's been, there has not been up until COVID, up until the lockdowns, all of these things that happened, the church has not necessarily felt threatened.

01:01:30.000 So most pastors felt like they could just kind of skate by.

01:01:34.000 And not to mention, how about CRT in the church and postmodernism and all these things?

01:01:39.000 The church is now under direct attack.

01:01:42.000 And so I think it is a time where the church is and can wake up from it, but it's why is it not happening?

01:01:51.000 Because it's comfortable to do nothing.

01:01:54.000 It is.

01:01:54.000 And it is going to be our comfort that kills us if we don't.

01:02:00.000 That's so true.

01:02:01.000 That is exactly right.

01:02:02.000 So is there a connection between Christianity and citizenship in the Republic?

01:02:08.000 Is there, like, how do those two things go together?

01:02:11.000 Or do those two things go together?

01:02:12.000 And if so, how?

01:02:14.000 Yeah, that's a fabulous question.

01:02:15.000 So we at TPUSA Faith, we put on a forum called Biblical Citizenship.

01:02:19.000 I encourage you guys to check it out.

01:02:22.000 We'd love to partner with you guys, maybe do a couple sessions here on weeknights where it talks about what is biblical citizenship.

01:02:28.000 Does it talk about it at all in the Bible?

01:02:30.000 the need to actually care about your nation, the need to be a citizen.

01:02:35.000 So I said this earlier, but let me ask you, kind of, let me just kind of reiterate this.

01:02:39.000 Citizen comes from a Greek word that means co-owner or co-ruler.

01:02:44.000 Most people on the planet today are not citizens.

01:02:47.000 They're subjects, serfs, or slaves.

01:02:49.000 A citizen has rights.

01:02:51.000 So the question should be, who gives rights?

01:02:54.000 Well, God gives rights.

01:02:55.000 A government does not give rights.

01:02:57.000 This is one of the most amazing just kind of leaps forward of the American Revolution that Thomas Jefferson hit perfectly, which is where do rights come from?

01:03:06.000 He very well could have described it as an abstraction in the Declaration of Independence, but he said the laws of nature and nature's God.

01:03:16.000 That's a very, very big deal.

01:03:18.000 He's saying that your right to speech, your right to property, you as an individual are granted from God itself.

01:03:25.000 It's a vertical relationship.

01:03:27.000 And that is stemmed, of course, from a philosophical and religious and theological belief from the Protestant Reformation that you don't have to go through conduits, that I can deal directly with God.

01:03:37.000 You kind of see the similarities and the synergies where all those things start to percolate.

01:03:42.000 But citizenship requires being aware of the nation that you are in.

01:03:46.000 It requires you to be informed.

01:03:49.000 It requires you to care and to be invested and, of course, vote and all those different things.

01:03:54.000 And it requires you, the best way I could say it, being a citizen, a good citizen, is the equivalent of being a good steward, is what it is.

01:04:03.000 And it also is being invested in the passing down of values, traditions, and customs to the next generation.

01:04:11.000 And so biblical citizenship, the idea of biblical citizenship that you could wrestle with is what does God want for me when it comes to the citizenship context and from this kind of context here.

01:04:22.000 And we answer all that questions.

01:04:24.000 It's a longer kind of speech to give.

01:04:26.000 But the long and short of it is God hates tyranny.

01:04:30.000 It's a very simple truth, okay?

01:04:32.000 He doesn't want you to live in a tyranny of eternal sin in hell.

01:04:35.000 That's not his heart for his people.

01:04:37.000 He doesn't want people here on earth to live under tyranny.

01:04:40.000 He rescued God's chosen people from tyranny in Egypt, right?

01:04:44.000 Liberty, God's idea, not man's idea.

01:04:46.000 So what is tyranny?

01:04:47.000 The tyranny is the domination of a people irrationally without their consent of a smaller group of people.

01:04:54.000 Put simply, more plainly, it's the few ruling the many, not the many ruling the few.

01:05:00.000 The idea of the many ruling the few is a biblical concept.

01:05:05.000 It means that every single person matters.

01:05:05.000 Why?

01:05:08.000 Why?

01:05:09.000 Because you're all image bearers.

01:05:12.000 That's the leap forward.

01:05:14.000 Before Christianity, you were not an image-bearer.

01:05:17.000 You were a specimen that could be owned, bought, sold, transported, taken advantage of.

01:05:23.000 But if you're made in the image of God with dignity and worth, if you are not just a mind and a body, but also a soul, then that necessitates a different legal construct.

01:05:33.000 That means that you have the rights of due process, to own property, to protect yourself, and to speech.

01:05:39.000 You see how all those things all of a sudden come together?

01:05:42.000 But if you believe that you're just, and this is the secular humanist view right now, by the way, that kids are learning in schools, which again, if Christians don't weigh in on this, the secularists win these arguments, right? 0.55

01:05:52.000 If you don't believe there's a soul within you, if you're just a mind and a body, then why should you not be able to exterminate them?

01:06:02.000 Why not? 0.97

01:06:03.000 It's just get rid of them. 1.00

01:06:04.000 They're polluters. 1.00

01:06:05.000 They're making the environment dirty.

01:06:07.000 There's nothing special about them.

01:06:08.000 We can always create more if we need them, as if we're nothing more than ants.

01:06:12.000 But whoa, if you're an image bearer with a purpose and a plan and design by the sovereignty of God, that all of a sudden you have a retreat and you treat that being completely differently.

01:06:23.000 You remove Christianity. 1.00

01:06:25.000 There is no reason not to commit genocide. 0.57

01:06:28.000 Or let me say that again.

01:06:29.000 If you commit, if you remove Judaism and Christianity, geo-Christian values, there's no reason not to do it. 0.98

01:06:35.000 And you might say, what about Hinduism and Buddhism and all of this?

01:06:38.000 I'm not getting into that, okay?

01:06:40.000 Let's just be very realistic with what here today.

01:06:43.000 If there is no belief in God, then right and wrong is merely an opinion.

01:06:49.000 So, on that note, I'm going to upload me no.

01:06:53.000 On that, yeah.

01:06:54.000 No, let's go from the firing pan into the fire now.

01:06:57.000 Because there is a well, this would be considered a conspiracy, right?

01:06:57.000 Oh, okay.

01:07:03.000 But there's a global movement called the Great Reset, which is pushing this, what you just said, everywhere, all over the world.

01:07:12.000 It's fast-moving, it is being dominated, it's dominating governments all over the world right now.

01:07:19.000 People are rising up against it.

01:07:21.000 It doesn't matter.

01:07:22.000 It's still going.

01:07:23.000 And so, speak to that, because I know you're doing a conference next weekend on this subject.

01:07:28.000 This is not a conspiracy.

01:07:30.000 It's only conspiracy theory if it's false.

01:07:33.000 So, yeah, I mean, by the way, the term conspiracy theory is actually a CIA term that was introduced to the American Zeitgeist as a way to try to suppress ideas and questioning authority.

01:07:45.000 You should just take five minutes tonight and just study the origin of the term conspiracy theory.

01:07:51.000 It's very interesting.

01:07:52.000 Now, I will say, there's some wacky stuff out there that isn't true, okay?

01:07:55.000 Let me, I hear it all the time, but there's also things that I was told that were conspiracy theories that ended up being 100% true.

01:08:02.000 You might say, oh, Charlie, name one example.

01:08:05.000 Okay, how about Bill Clinton flying on an airplane with underage girls to a Caribbean island alongside a member of the royal family?

01:08:14.000 So that happened, okay?

01:08:15.000 And that used to be called a conspiracy theory.

01:08:17.000 Okay, so yes, kind of one thing on this.

01:08:21.000 Next Friday and Saturday, if you're at all interested and this topic intrigues you, we have a very short summit happening at the Arizona Grand Hotel all about the Great Reset.

01:08:31.000 So we do a lot of events at Turning Point USA.

01:08:33.000 We host our annual convention in December.

01:08:35.000 We have like 10,000 people come.

01:08:36.000 You should all come.

01:08:37.000 This is a different type of event.

01:08:39.000 This is educational.

01:08:40.000 It's not a rally.

01:08:41.000 We're going deep, very deep into the origins of the Great Reset and what you can do about it.

01:08:46.000 World Economic Forum, Klaus Schwab, who's that sinister-looking bond villain up there.

01:08:54.000 Again, if I was a globalist, I would not have a German run my operation. 1.00

01:09:03.000 A German who talks in a very deep, Germanic bond villain accent. 0.88

01:09:09.000 Up there's Bill Gates and Trudeau as well.

01:09:11.000 We believe there's a global game going on to destroy American sovereignty, to try to get in the way of our private property rights, to try and deteriorate the American currency.

01:09:21.000 And it's all about defeating the Great Reset.

01:09:23.000 What's hilarious is that they say the Great Reset is a conspiracy theory.

01:09:27.000 On the desk where I do my show every single day, and I have it just kind of referenced, is the book by Klaus Schwab.

01:09:35.000 It's a book called COVID-19, The Great Reset.

01:09:39.000 They published a book called.

01:09:40.000 It's actually their new strategy, which is brilliant.

01:09:43.000 It's called Hiding in Plain Sight, where they publish all the crazy things they're going to do.

01:09:47.000 And therefore, people don't pay attention because they would think that if it's really that bad, they wouldn't publish it, even though it's right in front of you.

01:09:53.000 And they say that they're going to try to turn you on the robots and all this crazy stuff.

01:09:56.000 You think I'm kidding?

01:09:57.000 It's part of it.

01:09:58.000 Transhumanism, you know, the mind manipulation. 0.93

01:10:01.000 It's all there.

01:10:02.000 And so I think that every Christian needs to get properly educated on this topic.

01:10:06.000 If you guys are interested, you guys go to tpusa.com.

01:10:10.000 We'll give you a discount.

01:10:11.000 If you guys can't afford the ticket, that's fine.

01:10:13.000 We have Steve Bannon coming.

01:10:14.000 We have James Lindsey coming.

01:10:16.000 We have Michael O'Fallon coming.

01:10:18.000 We have all sorts of great speakers coming.

01:10:20.000 You'll learn a lot.

01:10:21.000 It's next Friday and Saturday, and it'll be highly educational.

01:10:25.000 And if I could just kind of talk more broadly on that and less about the event, which is, look, the World Economic Forum, the Great Reset, they've come forward with some very specific promises and things that they think the world will look like by 2030.

01:10:37.000 You'll own nothing and you'll be happy.

01:10:39.000 Western values will be brought to a breaking point.

01:10:42.000 America will no longer be the world's superpower.

01:10:44.000 Almost everything that is happening in our world today should be viewed through a lens of the World Economic Forum.

01:10:49.000 There's a bigger game happening than what's happening in Washington, D.C.

01:10:53.000 I think you'll find it actually encouraging and liberating to know what's happening, what they're doing, why they're doing it.

01:10:59.000 So you guys could check it out.

01:11:01.000 Happy to expand on that more.

01:11:03.000 No, that would be something that if you're able to do it, you really should go to that.

01:11:08.000 You know, we had James Lindsay and Michael O'Fallon here back in June.

01:11:12.000 If you weren't able to go to that, you should go to this.

01:11:15.000 If you were able to go to this, you know how helpful that was.

01:11:19.000 And so it is critical that you get educated on this.

01:11:23.000 Last more, two questions.

01:11:25.000 One question is: what will happen if Christians don't fight? 1.00

01:11:30.000 What if we don't stand against this?

01:11:32.000 What if we do just say, other people will take care of this?

01:11:36.000 I can sit this one out.

01:11:37.000 There's all kinds of controversies.

01:11:39.000 People like Charlie get us fired up about everything.

01:11:42.000 We can't be fired up about everything.

01:11:43.000 And so I'm just going to wait for the really big thing.

01:11:46.000 That's the fight I'll get in, but it's not this one.

01:11:50.000 Yeah, I mean, if we do nothing, there will be a body count that will make the 20th century look like child's play.

01:12:01.000 I just want that to sit over the room.

01:12:06.000 Now, why is that not just speculation?

01:12:14.000 Let's remember what we just lived through.

01:12:16.000 We just lived through one of the great manipulations of truth and perversions of reality in front of us.

01:12:24.000 I mean, look how our world has changed, and we largely allowed it to happen.

01:12:29.000 We have a generation of teenagers where the leading cause of death is them killing themselves.

01:12:34.000 We have a generation of young people that have speech impediments and development because we've thrown masks on them.

01:12:41.000 We've completely inappropriately thrown, you know, a vaccine on eight, nine, and ten-year-olds, not even knowing what the side effects could potentially be.

01:12:50.000 And so, I mean, that was just a trial run.

01:12:53.000 Charlie, it's a conspiracy.

01:12:54.000 They said it's a trial run.

01:12:55.000 Read the book.

01:12:57.000 They said this is phase one.

01:12:58.000 Just read it.

01:12:59.000 Go buy it yourself.

01:13:00.000 COVID-19, the great reset.

01:13:00.000 It's 20 bucks.

01:13:03.000 They talk about depopulation openly.

01:13:05.000 You know that, right?

01:13:07.000 Openly.

01:13:08.000 They say that we have two times as many people in our world.

01:13:12.000 We have seven and a half billion people.

01:13:14.000 Do the math. 1.00

01:13:15.000 They say that human beings, many of them say this, are parasites and polluters. 0.72

01:13:20.000 And that climate change and environmentalism, you know, climate change is the greatest thing.

01:13:24.000 Environmentalism needs to be held sacrosanct.

01:13:27.000 Just read their literature.

01:13:28.000 It's all publicly available.

01:13:29.000 And so, look, 100 million people were murdered in the 20th century.

01:13:33.000 I will repeat that.

01:13:34.000 If we do nothing, there will be a body count that makes that look like child's play.

01:13:39.000 And I don't know how they'll do it, but boy, they're willing to do anything.

01:13:43.000 Lock us down, lie to us, pervert us, try to pervert the truth, go after dissident doctors, shun us on social media, call us all conspiracy theorists, raid apartments and homes of political dissidents.

01:13:58.000 They're playing a ballgame here, right?

01:14:01.000 So, yeah, maybe, maybe you want to do nothing.

01:14:06.000 I'm not willing to face God and tell him I did nothing.

01:14:17.000 So, any words specifically to the men in the audience?

01:14:22.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:14:24.000 First of all, we do believe in men and women around here, which is encouraging.

01:14:29.000 No, it's amazing.

01:14:33.000 I'll speak to young men first, young being like under 30.

01:14:39.000 But we could go under 40 or whatever you guys want, whatever sliding.

01:14:43.000 Young is a relative thing, right?

01:14:47.000 Yeah, it's actually when I say it, when I say that it's fun to be around people that believe in men and women, I speak at campuses all the time.

01:14:53.000 I spoke at Boulder in Berkeley back to back this last spring.

01:14:57.000 By the way, the same message that you hear tonight, just a lot more fun sparks, as you could imagine.

01:15:02.000 And yet they don't believe in men and women.

01:15:04.000 It's all a construct.

01:15:06.000 So just read Romans 1.

01:15:07.000 It's like word for word, if you know what I mean.

01:15:11.000 So yeah, to the men out there, for young men in particular, look, we have a men's summit that we do at TPUSA, and it's growing really well.

01:15:19.000 We have a women's summit as well.

01:15:20.000 So our women's summit we've been doing for seven years.

01:15:22.000 And it's hilarious, right?

01:15:24.000 We do this amazing summit, and like 2,500 young ladies come in their dresses.

01:15:28.000 It's all pink.

01:15:29.000 It's all great.

01:15:30.000 And, you know, if Kaylee Mackinen, it's all this.

01:15:32.000 Our men's summit is out in the woods.

01:15:33.000 You know, we fast them, no cell phones, learn how to pitch a tent.

01:15:38.000 You know, we like physically abuse them.

01:15:41.000 It's great.

01:15:43.000 And by the way, the men's summit and women's summit should be that different, okay?

01:15:48.000 It should be that way.

01:15:50.000 Because for more ways than one.

01:15:53.000 So look, for the men out there, young men in particular, chances are that if you're listening to this, you're probably addicted to something that you know that's not good for you.

01:16:02.000 Stop doing the thing you know that's not good for you.

01:16:05.000 And this is, we have the most addicted generation ever, whether it be addicted to pornography, addicted to drugs, addicted to video games.

01:16:12.000 We have the most depressed generation, I believe, for a lot of different reasons, but for a misdiagnosis of dopamine deficiency, a topic of which has become a fascination of mine over the last year and a half, something that I personally have seen the problems of the overstimulation of dopaminergic receptors in the brain.

01:16:31.000 This might be all nonsense to you.

01:16:33.000 However, I see at least 10 young men nodding their head because they know exactly what I mean.

01:16:38.000 We have participated in the largest open-air drug experiment in the history of the species to give every single young person a phone, which basically completely destroys their neurological impulses and creates an anxious, depressed generation.

01:16:51.000 And we just then throw psychiatric medication at them of Ritalin, benzodiazepines, Xanax, and all these things.

01:16:57.000 I am not doubting that some people need these interventions, but I think we are way over-medicated in our country.

01:17:03.000 And we just go directly to these medications and it causes all these other issues and all these other problems.

01:17:07.000 So for young men out there, I guess my message is really clear.

01:17:10.000 There's a beautiful life in front of you.

01:17:11.000 Stop doing the thing you know that's good for you.

01:17:14.000 I'm not trying to moralize or try to say anything.

01:17:16.000 But honestly, if you are a young man, in particular, a young white man in America, you hear a lot of depressing stuff all the time.

01:17:24.000 When I talk to the young men at Turning Point, they just say, Charlie, I can't get out of it.

01:17:28.000 Everywhere I turn, it's something that is just overwhelmingly negative and all this.

01:17:32.000 And so be a leader in your community and try to create a beautiful and meaningful life.

01:17:37.000 And then just men in general, we got to start to rise up and start to push back against the mass feminization of our country.

01:17:45.000 So there.

01:17:48.000 And so this is where I really start to make friends.

01:17:55.000 God created both man and woman, but also the masculine and the feminine.

01:17:58.000 A society needs both.

01:18:00.000 If a society gets too masculine, it gets too aggressive.

01:18:04.000 It gets too singular focused, right?

01:18:07.000 And it becomes too dictatorial and totalitarian.

01:18:11.000 Okay?

01:18:12.000 We know what happens when a society gets too masculine.

01:18:15.000 Think like Mussolini, okay?

01:18:17.000 But we never talk about what happens when a society gets too feminine. 0.67

01:18:21.000 What does that look like? 0.99

01:18:22.000 France.

01:18:23.000 Yeah, France, exactly.

01:18:28.000 Exactly.

01:18:30.000 Too emotional, right?

01:18:33.000 Can't make up their mind about anything. 0.77

01:18:35.000 Now, this is not an insult towards women.

01:18:37.000 It is true.

01:18:38.000 When a society gets too feminine, all of a sudden you go out of balance out of whack. 0.96

01:18:43.000 And you lose heroes to step up and do the dirty work that's necessary to get bad guys off the streets.

01:18:51.000 And to step up for people that can't defend themselves. 1.00

01:18:54.000 Now, I'm not saying that women can also do that. 0.98

01:18:57.000 But when I say that we became too feminine, most women were the ones that enthusiastically applauded because deep down, most women want to be led by godly men. 0.63

01:19:06.000 And they are sick and tired of being told all the time that just kind of become a boss babe or whatever the newest thing is.

01:19:16.000 It's a balance.

01:19:17.000 We both need each other.

01:19:18.000 It's necessary.

01:19:19.000 It's important.

01:19:20.000 It's beautiful.

01:19:21.000 It's good.

01:19:22.000 We are way out of whack. 1.00

01:19:23.000 We are way too feminine as a culture. 0.95

01:19:25.000 And we got to get back into that place of homeostasis or equilibrium.

01:19:29.000 So if somebody's sitting here now and going, man, I really want to learn about America, the founding principles, things like that.

01:19:37.000 Are there books?

01:19:38.000 Are there organizations?

01:19:40.000 Are there authors that you would recommend people here would be say, yeah, you need to read these people.

01:19:44.000 So yeah, just a couple action items, and I'll kind of connect this kind of more broadly for everybody.

01:19:49.000 So first of which is Turning Point USA.

01:19:51.000 If you're a high school or college student out there, get involved with our work if you're interested.

01:19:55.000 Our headquarters is right down the street.

01:19:56.000 It's tpusa.com.

01:19:58.000 We also have tpusa faith.

01:20:00.000 You guys can stay involved and engage with that.

01:20:03.000 The work we're doing, I think, is some of the most important work for everything that we've talked about tonight.

01:20:08.000 In addition, every morning from 9 to 12, I host three hours every single day.

01:20:13.000 Anyone listening to the podcast here?

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01:20:16.000 That really touches me.

01:20:17.000 So yeah, we do three hours every single day, also on Real America's Voice, and it's also on local radio, AM960, every single day.

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01:21:05.000 We do three podcasts a day, always from a biblical perspective, giving you the news of the day, hard-hitting, unapologetic.

01:21:13.000 I think we have some great guests with that.

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01:22:06.000 Maybe you have a 20-minute drive.

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01:22:11.000 That's CharlieForhillsdale.com.

01:22:12.000 But let me just kind of finish with one greater call to action than all those little particular things, which is my heart for coming tonight was really just to try to convict you, to have all of us continue to change our posture, change our posture from a passive to an active.

01:22:28.000 Now, I'm not going to give you a long grocery list of things to do.

01:22:32.000 Instead, if you pray and fast for your nation, if you ask God, hey, use me as an instrument right now in this time, he will answer your prayer.

01:22:41.000 It might be helping out a certain candidate.

01:22:43.000 It might be knocking on doors.

01:22:44.000 I don't know what it might be.

01:22:45.000 But you need to open your heart to be willing to be used and to contribute just a little bit of your time and your energy and your resources.

01:22:54.000 Remember, the most important thing is proclaiming the kingdom of God in Jesus Christ.

01:22:58.000 The second most important thing is to make sure we can do the first thing.

01:23:01.000 And if we don't do the first thing, we are all going to be sharing our theological differences on eschatology from prison.

01:23:09.000 We need to narrow in and unify the body of Christ and say this moment is about liberty and, of course, most important, the gospel of Jesus Christ.

01:23:17.000 But there is a multi-dimensional pincer movement happening right now against the church, against biblical values, against Western civilization.

01:23:24.000 And only the American church, only you, is what stands between it. 0.95

01:23:29.000 That's it.

01:23:29.000 Everything else has been vacated.

01:23:31.000 Every other secular institution has been captured.

01:23:34.000 It is the forces we've talked about and the church.

01:23:38.000 And it has yet to be written what will happen.

01:23:42.000 But if all of us rise up and commit ourselves to this action, I believe that we're going to see results like we've never seen before.

01:23:48.000 And I believe that will be us being obedient to God and to his will in this critical, important time.

01:23:55.000 Amen.

01:23:55.000 Thank you, Charlie.

01:23:58.000 God bless you guys.

01:23:59.000 Thank you so much.

01:24:06.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

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01:24:13.000 Thanks so much for listening.

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What Happens if We Do Nothing? LIVE from Redeemer Bible Church with John Benzinger

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