Matt Gaetz joins Charlie Kirk on the Charlie Kirk Show to discuss his new role as the new Congressman for Florida, Matt Gaetz. Charlie and Charlie talk about what it means to be a conservative in the Trump administration and what it takes to get there.
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00:01:28.000My producer, I do the Matt Gaetz show on One America News, and my producer called me and said, Matt, if you show up at the Dell Coronado tonight, you can be on the best podcast around.
00:01:39.000And I just assumed it would be with Gavin Newsom.
00:01:47.000So, Matt, what's been keeping you busy?
00:01:49.000I tell you, mostly cheering on what I believe to be the greatest progress that we have seen in the White House in my lifetime.
00:01:58.000And I know in moments like this there's always a sense to say, well, how come we haven't strung Anthony Fauci up yet by his entrails and imprisoned Liz Cheney and, you know, expelled Adam Schiff from planet Earth on an Elon Musk rocket yet?
00:02:17.000And I pause for what we are enjoying and what we have achieved, and it is remarkable, and it must be nurtured.
00:02:27.000I heard in hour after hour of congressional testimony from Biden administration officials, Mayorkas, that the border was just an unsolvable problem.
00:02:40.000That we just couldn't figure it out under any circumstance.
00:02:43.000And now we see with vision and resolve and with a few high-profile deportations to some very unpleasant places, not only is our government deporting people, people are deporting themselves!
00:03:01.000And when we think about the core covenant President Trump has to rescue this economy from the wilderness that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris sent us out to, I am proud that we have someone who is willing to do what is necessary to reset what was a deeply unfair international economic order.
00:03:22.000And I learned in Congress in some pretty tense moments that leverage is really only about two things.
00:03:32.000And I think the old Republican Party just wanted to endure pain, and I think the MAGA movement actually wants to dish a little bit out every once in a while.
00:03:45.000And so, Matt, what would you say are some of the victories that are so noticeably, not just different, but better than Trump won?
00:04:07.000We won the election because Vladimir Putin told everybody to not vote for Hillary Clinton.
00:04:11.000And we couldn't collude with Vladimir Putin.
00:04:14.000We could barely collude with ourselves to put on the next Trump rally during that just electric and exciting campaign that we were a part of.
00:04:23.000And so there was an effort to delegitimize.
00:04:27.000And I think that was upsetting and frustrating.
00:04:32.000And also in Congress, you had people like Paul Ryan.
00:04:35.000I'm actively working to derail the Trump administration.
00:04:41.000Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan would have been just fine if we'd have found out that Trump did something illegal and we'd have ended up with President Mike Pence.
00:04:49.000But now, now you have a cabinet that is actually for the president.
00:04:56.000We were dealing with Jeff Sessions, who was off making excuses for Hillary Clinton.
00:05:01.000We were dealing with people in high leadership positions.
00:05:05.000The FBI and CIA who were trying to tee up the president for some sort of impeachment or prosecution all along the way.
00:05:14.000And so I think that unified sense of purpose is important.
00:05:18.000And within the culture, rather than delegitimizing, there's kind of a curiosity about all of us now.
00:05:24.000I saw a little bit of it the other day when our friend Steve Hilton was out on Skid Row talking politics with people who had clearly not done all of their homework throughout life but who are humans nonetheless and who probably, even if their lives are in shambles, want their life to be better and the breakthroughs and the curiosity is something that we have to leverage.
00:05:52.000And I'm not just saying this because I'm here, because I say it everywhere, and if you follow me on Twitter, you see I say it all the time.
00:05:57.000The generational shift that we have seen and the fact that our politics is no longer so racialized is deeply pleasant to me.
00:06:06.000It was just all about race before, and now we are building a multiracial, multiethnic, working class.
00:06:15.000Movement of people, and it is inviting and warm, and that's why we are rising.
00:06:23.000I'm going to be 43 years old pretty soon, and if you would have told me when I was under the age of 30 that a U.S. president could count as their key constituency, their number one approval demographic, voters under the age of 30. I would have told you that was crazy.
00:06:42.000When I was a young man in the state legislature in Florida, our political strategy to deal with young voters was to try to get them to not vote.
00:06:51.000It was, consultants would come in and say, well, you know, if you put 84 things on the ballot, maybe one of these young people that wants to show up and vote for Obama will just vote at the top, but then turn in the ballot and they won't get down to the state senate, they won't get down to the mayor or the city council or the school board.
00:07:10.000And that was what we thought winning looked like, discouraging young people from participating.
00:07:18.000Because we weren't offering them that much.
00:07:21.000Actually, what the conservatives stood for was more war and inviting more people across our border and selling out time and again and saying that victory was just surrender at a slower pace.
00:07:34.000That was not an appealing idea to young voters, but I think we had two conflating facts.
00:07:38.000One, you had the other side trying to tell them that they were either an oppressor or oppressed.
00:07:46.000And that's actually offensive to almost anyone you say it to.
00:07:51.000Combined with the crazy gender theory and the identity politics gave us an opportunity and we seized that opportunity because we were fun and we were energetic.
00:08:02.000If you went to a young Republican meeting back when I was in my 20s, it was boring and everybody was like wearing name tags and a clip-on tie.
00:08:10.000And you go to these turning point rallies and it is the place to be.
00:08:15.000I've had so many parents and grandparents come up to me and say that the person in their life who they cared for, And Matt, let's talk a little bit more about that.
00:08:36.000I mean, one of the themes of this weekend is how the experts have been wrong.
00:08:40.000And you covered that really well in Congress.
00:09:06.000We all think about it in our own lives.
00:09:09.000You know, what it meant to graduate and walk across the graduation stage with your loved ones there, or going to prom and getting those prom pictures that you might still flip through, or having the football game where the stands are full and you've had a great athletic achievement, or you're in ROTC and every morning you got out there at 6 a.m. and you proved to the United States Military Academy or to the Naval Academy that you belonged because you showed that group dedication.
00:09:38.000They were robbed of leadership opportunities.
00:09:41.000They were robbed of social opportunities, academic opportunities, and it built resentment.
00:09:46.000And by the way, how could it not build that resentment?
00:09:50.000And when I used to be a young person...
00:09:53.000There was a resistance to the Republicans because the Republicans were always trying to stop you from doing stuff.
00:10:16.000Movement that embraces the cancel culture and the censorship and the idea that certain ideas are so dangerous that we cannot even confront them or encounter them or deal with them.
00:10:36.000They want to show up by the thousands like they just did in San Diego and actually see what ideas rise to the surface because of their...
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00:11:55.000Even deeper, which is that in a world that they are raised in, in their high school classrooms and their college classrooms, they are so intellectually sanitized that there's almost no robust speech.
00:12:07.000Because you live in this world of you might microaggress.
00:12:10.000If you don't know what a microaggression is, it's where you say something that is deeply offensive to somebody, but you didn't mean it.
00:12:17.000So, for example, there's like a bunch of liberal trolls that were trying to disrupt the Turning Point USA event last week.
00:12:49.000Because she said that, she said, quote, this is disorganized.
00:12:54.000And they said this is trauma going back hundreds of years against the black community, and the whole thing has fallen apart within a week.
00:13:01.000Now, I want you to multiply that times a million.
00:13:04.000Every classroom in government-run school in California has that ideology laced in it.
00:13:09.000Every college campus has that ideology laced in it, where if you say one thing, you don't mean it.
00:13:14.000For example, if you use the term you people, and you happen to be talking about a Hispanic or a black person, that's racist colonial language that could get you fired from a job.
00:13:24.000And so this is the world that they are raised in.
00:13:26.000And finally, out of that comes Turning Point USA and our total free speech event, where you could say anything, you can have the battle of ideas, and it is unbelievably attractive to a generation that is held ideologically hostage and in a labyrinth of these unpopular, tyrannical ideas.
00:13:49.000I think we're going to hold those voters because it wasn't just colleges and universities.
00:13:53.000Those very same young people would graduate colleges and universities and show up at a corporate work environment that was forcing DEI training on them.
00:14:03.000Some went on to the military where, you won't believe this, but in the military, a microaggression was deemed, utilizing the deeply offensive terms, mom and dad.
00:14:14.000That if you use the term mom or dad, that might be a microaggression against someone who didn't have a mom and a dad.
00:14:26.000And I'm just kind of wondering if the CCP or the Iranians or the Russians are sitting around...
00:14:33.000They're trying to get more macroaggressions out of their military, and we're trying to drive the microaggressions out of ours under that circumstance.
00:14:42.000And so I think that the rejection of that was driven by this generation, and the maintenance of our control of these institutions kind of relies on them.
00:14:53.000And that's why we have to make sure that they're not just turned ideologically, but that they're up for it, which is a key feature of what Turning Point does.
00:15:02.000Look, we were just hoping when Turning Point was at the crescendo that we would be able to play even ball.
00:15:10.000We would hold serve with young people.
00:15:11.000We could maybe get a diminution in the delta of votes such that the boomers would save us forever.
00:15:22.000Now, with this being a powerhouse, they have to go from voters to people who can activate other key constituencies and talk to their neighbors and get even the generation that follows, Gen Alpha, engaged in those very initiatives.
00:15:38.000The durability of it is what we must nurture.
00:15:41.000If we throw our hands up in the air and say, mission accomplished, this is all done, it can be lost.
00:15:47.000Because that's what the left did, by the way.
00:15:49.000They became the party that was opposed to curiosity, that was opposed to intellectualism, just generally, and embraced this monolith.
00:16:02.000Criticism I had of the Congress in which I served, there was such a desire to just be there and be on the team that so much of the necessary work was not being accomplished, particularly on the matter of spending.
00:16:15.000And if you don't believe me, look at the work of Elon Musk and Doge.
00:16:21.000What they have done has not only been inspirational...
00:16:28.000It has been revealing about what you get when you govern by continuing resolution and omnibus spending bill.
00:16:35.000It is true that the closest thing to everlasting life is a government program because once they are baked in...
00:16:42.000They are infrequently reviewed for their efficacy and for their results.
00:16:47.000And I am grateful that that happened, but I think that has to be a guiding light for what we demand of public servants going forward, not a solution unto itself.
00:18:00.000The fact that we have to applaud that is pretty remarkable, right?
00:18:04.000And again, nothing against people that want to serve, obviously, but the physical fitness standards were so lower accommodated that a woman only had to be able to do like 11 push-ups where the man had to be able to do 35 push-ups.
00:18:18.000The one that was the most scary, though, was the deadlift.
00:18:22.000Where a female in the United States military only had to deadlift, I think, like 195 pounds, where an average male in the U.S. military with gear on in a battle conflict weighs well over 250 pounds.
00:18:33.000That is an existential threat to our servicemen in combat if a woman has to put him on her back and to get him out of harm's way to save his life.
00:19:05.000You've served in the House and you did really well as a firebrand, but why have we not seen just like a volley of bills every week, making the Democrats vote against them?
00:19:17.000One single subject bills, boom, vote against this, vote against that.
00:19:21.000No men in female sports, vote against that.
00:19:23.000Matt, I know you will not do air cover at all because you're not in Congress.
00:19:42.000But help us understand, because the impatience of this audience is at record highs with Congress, the approval very high for President Trump.
00:20:06.000And the fear derives from the sense of any criticism being dispositive.
00:20:11.000I had a lot of colleagues in Congress whose goal was just to not be mentioned.
00:20:16.000Because they see the stats, over 90% of people in Congress get re-elected.
00:20:21.000And so if you're not getting mentioned frequently, you're not going to be one of the outliers that is at risk of losing the power that you've worked to accumulate.
00:20:30.000And that really, really drives people to...
00:20:36.000That's why you see so many bills that you think, gosh, did we really need to rename 13 post offices this week while President Trump is seeking critical trade authority or national security authorities?
00:20:51.000And then the other part is the corruption.
00:20:54.000When I was in Congress, I was the only Republican congressman who refused all lobbyists and PAC donations.
00:21:05.000And even people I like, even people I would knock on doors for and donate to, would have the audacity to stand before their constituents and say that the hundreds of thousands of dollars or millions of dollars that they were getting from...
00:21:22.000Professional power brokers was not tied to some expectation of their behavior on the other end.
00:21:29.000And we all know that instinctively, but we forgive people who do it because we say, well, they just have to.
00:21:35.000You know, you've got to fund your campaigns somehow.
00:21:37.000And I came to the realization that if that's the way I had to fund my campaigns, I did not want this job anymore.
00:21:44.000I did not want elections to just be about who got to be valets for the same special interests.
00:21:51.000In big pharma or big business or who wanted open borders or trade agreements that hollowed out the middle class while building up the middle kingdom.
00:22:01.000Fear and corruption paralyzes the place.
00:22:10.000And this would be one disagreement I have with the Trump strategy.
00:22:15.000And President Trump's a far better strategist, so he's probably right and I'm probably wrong.
00:22:18.000But I think that we should have single-subject bills that only deal with one thing at a time.
00:22:26.000And I believe that because when you do it the other way, there is no way to scrutinize what is working and what is not working, what is harmful and what is helpful.
00:22:41.000Reasonable reductions in obviously wasteful programs.
00:22:45.000There would be a block of Republican votes against us to merely maintain the structure that did not allow that type of review because they may be subject to that review eliminating some of their programs.
00:22:58.000We had a Republican who sat down in the budget negotiations and said, I'll be for any cut so long as it's across the board to everything and not reviewing individual things.
00:23:11.000And that was like an acceptable answer.
00:23:15.000And so here's a tangible vote that I was aggrieved by.
00:23:19.000You see Elon pointing out how USAID was really just a slush fund for the global left for their regime change ambitions and their social engineering ambitions.
00:24:07.000And my only hope is that courage can be contagious with President Trump and with the effort that he has put into this initiative that the members of Congress will do what is necessary.
00:24:19.000And I think the obvious first step is to take his most popular executive orders and to put them into permanent law.
00:24:25.000And if we can't get the votes, show who's voting no.
00:27:02.000We have a system where you have to spend more state money in Medicaid in order to activate a federal drawdown.
00:27:09.000Speaker Johnson and some smart folks said, tell you what, why don't we do a plan to cap Medicaid at our current spending and then just send it to the states and block granite and then some will succeed, some will fail, best practices will emerge and they'll be copied in our federalist system.
00:27:26.000And Republicans were so offended that he would have the nerve to cut future expected Medicaid growth that they walked out of the room.
00:27:35.000And wouldn't even listen, Derek Van Orten of Wisconsin.
00:27:38.000And that should really worry us, because if we don't believe in unlocking innovation, then this is still going to be a very expensive government to run, far more expensive than we are able to generate in taxes or in any tariff.
00:27:54.000And so I think the problem is structural.
00:27:57.000I think that you have to get to the single-subject bills.
00:28:01.000I don't believe the big, beautiful bill is going to result in substantial reductions in spending, and that's still the meat on the bone.
00:28:09.000That's still the work we're going to have to do.
00:28:10.000It's not a criticism of the important tax work and the important border work, but the spending hawks have become an endangered species on Capitol Hill, and I'll still fly with them.
00:28:22.000So I want to now ask about the Democrat Party, and then I do want to do some questions.
00:28:26.000What would you say is the state of the Democrat Party, What have we learned since the election?
00:28:33.000And what are lessons that we can internalize to try to turn this into maybe a decade or two decade governing majority?
00:30:46.000What would you say, going into not just 2026, but future years, things, a to-do list, that Republicans need to get serious about?
00:30:55.000Lessons you've learned from Congress, running for office, going through the process?
00:31:00.000I would like to know where J.D. Vance gets his eyelashes done.
00:31:04.000That is a question that needs to be answered.
00:31:06.000No, I, look, for our party to succeed, you can't outkick your coverage.
00:31:14.000I think that there are moments where we can go beyond our mandate.
00:31:23.000I don't think President Trump has done that at all, and I think that's why he's been so successful thus far.
00:31:28.000The other thing we've got to do is deal with this judiciary.
00:31:31.000You have to deal with that because if you allow a single judge in Maryland to conduct foreign policy or gender policy or...
00:31:44.000We have judges now telling the Department of Health and Human Services that they have to put back up websites about how to do gender blockers.
00:31:53.000That is not something that a judge should do.
00:31:56.000The concepts of judicial review did not...
00:32:00.000Imagine a federal judiciary of hundreds of tyrants all over the country capable of binding all of us in the absence of an election.
00:33:11.000If we have to pay people out, you know, we will, but they will not be able to come to work anymore and do harm to the country.
00:33:18.000I said, well, what's going to happen when you do that is that these federal laws and these employment contracts and a judge is going to issue an order that you cannot do that anymore.
00:33:28.000And he says, and then what will happen?
00:33:30.000I said, well, then if people don't enforce the order, the federal marshals will show up.
00:33:35.000And he said, and who do they work for?
00:33:37.000I said, well, they work for the attorney general.
00:33:40.000And he said, and then I will make you the attorney general.
00:34:18.000Let Supreme Court Justice Marshall send his army.
00:34:24.000I don't remember all the details around the case, but essentially what Matt is getting at is a very provocative and yet important truth statement.
00:34:34.000The third branch of government, the courts, have no enforcement mechanism.
00:34:38.000They exist solely on faith, and they exist solely on our buy-in.
00:35:07.000But I want to play this out because this is heavy stuff and it's important.
00:35:11.000Now, Biden did defy the Supreme Court when it came to student loans.
00:35:14.000Harvard defied the Supreme Court when it came to affirmative action.
00:35:16.000But let's say, for example, the United States Supreme Court, which you have no idea because Amy Coney Barrett's been a disappointment, and hopefully she gets better.
00:35:26.000But let's just say the U.S. Supreme Court...
00:35:28.000You know who really leaned in to get her picked?
00:35:49.000Which would mean that we would deport like 400 people in four years.
00:35:54.000I'm exaggerating, but right, Matt, it would be...
00:35:56.000What, are we going to have 20 million trials?
00:35:59.000For these people who got in the country, what due process did you get if your job was taken, if your family member was harmed, if your community was changed?
00:36:05.000But this is where the Supreme Court is considering it, because the precedent says that you have to give due process to every illegal alien.
00:36:11.000And so, with that being said, of course, not when it comes to the Alien Enemies Act, which is also being debated, but Matt, play this out for us.
00:36:20.000If President Trump basically says, let Roberts send his army, what then happens?
00:36:48.000Their belief that these people who are a federal district court judge that nobody voted for, that no one has ever heard of, can define when America is being invaded.
00:36:59.000That is something that the president decides.
00:38:26.000I don't know that we stopped the deportation while that's occurring, but I can't think of more advantageous high ground to fight on than Democrats wanting to re-import an MS-13 member from El Salvador who is a Salvadorian national.
00:39:18.000And that does not mean that you would not want to return that person back to their home country.
00:39:25.000And I think our friend Stephen Miller put it best.
00:39:27.000The arrogance of any system in the United States, be it a court or the State Department, to tell El Salvador what they have to do with their own gang member.
00:39:41.000They know what to do with gang members in El Salvador.
00:39:44.000El Salvador used to be the murder capital of the world.
00:39:47.000They locked up over 50,000 gang members, and now it is safer to walk the streets of San Salvador than it is to walk the streets of Los Angeles or San Diego.
00:39:56.000And just think about the moral sickness.
00:39:59.000You have a Democrat senator, several, that fly to El Salvador for this gang member.
00:40:04.000Meanwhile, they would not get on a plane to probably go to try to go advocate for the return of American citizens that are still being held as hostages by Hamas.
00:40:13.000You know there's American citizens that are still being held hostage by Hamas?
00:40:17.000And they wouldn't get on a plane to go advocate for that, but they want the MS-13 gang member to return.
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00:41:11.000Let's just say one last question on this, Matt.
00:41:13.000What is one thing that you are most hopeful about that is not necessarily being covered, a story that is not being noticed, that you think that deserves more attention, a real positive development?
00:42:07.000But I think that that That tells us that we're building to something.
00:42:11.000Because I did wonder what it would be like after we won the last Trump election, maybe.
00:42:19.000There weren't the MAGA rallies that gave us kind of a sense of community that brought us together.
00:42:25.000And President Trump's campaign moments weren't the unifying vision and direction that any successful movement needs.
00:42:33.000And to see someone right there, ready to take the mantle, ready to ensure that all this work we're doing is not going to just run through the hourglass like sand, it gives me hope that...
00:42:48.000That going through the snow in Iowa at negative 20 degrees, which, by the way, after bringing my Southern California wife to Iowa at negative 20 was when I needed the relationship advice from President Trump.
00:43:00.000But all of that, going to the swing states and enduring the indictments, the prosecutions, the investigations.
00:43:09.000We are actually the party that wants this country to be better for everyone, and not just our own team.
00:44:12.000I'm so, for President Trump, I'm not only going to get my boyfriend to caucus for him, I'm going to get all of my ex-boyfriends to caucus for him, too.
00:44:20.000And so it's with the spirit of that barista that we take on the challenge ahead of us.
00:45:09.000Military members who are in Tel Aviv right now who could go and either advise or take care of a mission like this and instead were how many years into this conflict?
00:45:59.000And all that does is that it incentivizes more United States citizens to possibly get scooped up in foreign lands and missionaries to all of a sudden disappear.
00:46:08.000I don't have a good answer for you strategically or militarily.
00:46:11.000Matt, I don't know if you want to comment on that.
00:46:47.000I mean, we should know the names of these hostages, and I bet we can find it, right, that they're the U.S. citizens, but they should be like household names.
00:46:56.000And just think about the moral sickness of the West, where we spent an entire summer getting mad because George Floyd died in Minnesota because he drug overdosed.
00:47:23.000There's a long tradition in the British common law having to do with the equities of a matter as well as the legality in the process of the matter.
00:47:36.000Without getting into all the constitutional niceties, is that a way for the Supreme Court to find its way to the right answer on this deportation business?
00:47:45.000Oh, I think that that's one of many ways.
00:47:48.000I think that also having a muscular view of Article 2. Would give the court a pretty clear path to say that it is not for a district court judge with a law clerk and a secretary to determine what constitutes an invasion.
00:48:06.000It is indeed for a president and a national security team to make that calculus.
00:48:12.000But yes, the court's inherent equity power is one that is less frequently used by appellate courts, probably.
00:48:24.000Yeah, I mean, a court can always sort of say, well, we have this inherent power to create an equitable outcome here.
00:48:33.000And it does trace back to the British common law.
00:48:36.000It's not something you'll find in a federal statute.
00:48:39.000And it is used in courts every day to shape a particular remedy, or at times if someone has unclean hands and is seeking redress in a way, the court's equitable powers can be deployed.
00:48:53.000But here, I think that it's really who you want to run in the country.
00:48:58.000Do you want a web of judges that nobody votes for, or do you want the president?
00:49:02.000And we will have presidents we like and don't like, but I think that any result that is not vindicated...
00:49:08.000The degradation of Trump's powers here is a degradation of the democracy.
00:49:12.000And how many years did we all have to listen to the Democrats telling us we were a threat to democracy?
00:49:17.000We were a threat to democracy until the voters in our republic actually elected Donald Trump.
00:49:35.000Over the last hundred years, we've created a figurehead presidency where they basically just show up and give ceremonial speeches and welcome Super Bowl champions and sign executive orders.
00:49:47.000It's a figurehead ceremonial presidency.
00:50:54.000You see, the German view of government, which is at odds with the American view of government, is the power rests in the middle bureaucracy.
00:51:02.000Not in the people, not in the presidency, but it's the experts.
00:51:06.000It's imagine they think the power should be in the hands of 100,000 Anthony Fauci's.
00:51:13.000They know better than you, and they design your life.
00:51:16.000And so Reagan tried to change it, and he attempted to do it, and he changed some things, but the biggest mistake Reagan ever made was making H.W. Bush his vice president.
00:51:26.000And H.W. Bush ran the government and changed everything.
00:51:29.000And then, of course, Trump comes along.
00:51:31.000And I believe this is one of the reasons why they hate him.
00:51:32.000It's because he has this crazy idea that the people are actually sovereign and they're in charge of this country.
00:51:37.000And that it's not an unelected bunch of judges and an unelected bunch of bureaucrats.
00:51:42.000And Trump, interestingly enough, the story of Trump and Trump 1 and Trump 2 is those are the two places that are constantly trying to take him out.
00:51:50.000It's either Crossfire Hurricane or some judge doing a national injunction.
00:52:20.000We exist as if there's four, and the fourth is unelected with unchecked amounts of power, and it's unknown who's actually running it.
00:52:26.000So this collision course that we're on, hilariously, and this is the final point, and we'll do another question here, is like when they, every time, I said this in the show, and not everyone heard it, it's very important.
00:52:36.000Every time you hear, threat to democracy, substitute it, it's a threat to their oligarchy.
00:54:01.000Yeah, I mean, these are the employees that actually run the government, and it's another key difference between Trump 1 and Trump 2. In Trump 1...
00:54:09.000At any given time, we had about a third of the cabinet working against the president and his initiatives, and we had to be fighting them and keeping them at bay and trying to box them in.
00:54:18.000Well, now you have a totally aligned, productive, effective cabinet, and so Charlie and I are out there sourcing people for deputy secretary positions, director positions, administrator positions.
00:54:27.000I moved to Palm Beach with Matt literally from Election Day to Inauguration Day.
00:54:35.000I mean, we're still placing people in the government, and there's a few that still need to get weeded out, too.
00:54:40.000But that is the way to have a vertically integrated movement, where in the presidencies to come in 4 and 8 and 12 years, we are credentialing people who see the world we do.
00:54:53.000And that is something that under the...
00:54:56.000Bush rule of conservatism you did not get.
00:55:00.000You got a neoconservative, neoliberal credentialing system, not a populist nationalist credentialing system, and our ability to generate that now is entirely dependent on the inspiration drawn from Turning Point.
00:55:17.000You know one of the biggest lies being sold to American people right now is that you're in control of your money, especially when it comes to crypto.
00:55:24.000But the truth, most of these so-called crypto platforms are just banks in disguise, fully capable of freezing your assets the moment some bureaucrat makes a phone call.
00:55:32.000That is not what Bitcoin was built for.
00:55:48.000Not some three-letter agency that thinks it knows better than you do.
00:55:52.000This is how it was intended by the original creators of Bitcoin, peer-to-peer money, free from centralized control, free from surveillance, and free from arbitrary seizure.
00:56:01.000So if you're serious about financial sovereignty, go to Bitcoin.com, set up your wallet, take back control, because if you don't hold the keys, you don't own your money.
00:56:53.000And getting out of government after 14 years and going immediately back in is sort of like being told you're let out of prison and punching a guard on the way out.
00:57:03.000But I know this about how President Trump operates and really how the government operates.
00:57:09.000There are line changes, much like in a hockey contest.
00:57:13.000And there are people who are doing great work now who we're supporting and helping to find other good folks who will, for family reasons or personal reasons or other aspirations, depart government service.
00:57:26.000And what Charlie and I know is anytime, anywhere, President Trump calls, we'll show up and do any job he asks.
00:58:33.000The ones that have always aggravated me is when people abuse government power.
00:58:38.000When they do stuff on the outside and they're laundering money from other countries, okay, that's bad.
00:58:43.000What they did in Trump 1 with Crossfire Hurricane, from James Comey to Peter Strzok to Lisa Page to Bruce and Nelly Orr to the destruction of the devices from the Mueller report, that whole thing, the fact that that has never been properly adjudicated.
00:58:57.000I think the attention is rightful on there.
00:58:59.000The media would have such trouble covering it if Trump went after those people because they miscovered it and they acknowledged they got that story wrong.
00:59:08.000And I think there's something brutally evil with the fact that they robbed most of Trump's first term on a lie from the pit of hell that he was a Russian agent because of our FBI.
00:59:18.000And I think those people need to go to federal prison very quickly for what they did.
00:59:29.000There's a statute of limitations problem.
00:59:31.000Some of those are beyond statutes, though.
00:59:33.000There's stuff that they did that's beyond statute.
00:59:35.000And the other is that they did it all in D.C. And, I mean, a Washington, D.C. jury is a very difficult place to make an argument against the people who hold these political views and use the power in the way that they do.
00:59:48.000And so that realism is imposed upon prosecutorial decisions.
00:59:53.000But, look, not all consequences have to be criminal.
00:59:55.000I'm grateful that Kash Patel took those FBI agents who were kneeling after George Floyd's death and sent him to...
01:00:03.000Fairbanks, Alaska, or Thule, Greenland, or wherever he sent them.
01:00:06.000And I think that there are consequences being felt that are not always broadcast.
01:00:11.000There are a few that I would probably like to have broadcast, and I'd probably be doing a little bit of that, but hopefully there's some on the horizon, and it does take a little time.
01:00:21.000Yeah, and then the other ones, which are non-political, is anybody, and these are so easy, anyone that was involved in keeping the border open and working with the Mexican drug cartels, NGOs, Groups that were taking government money to smuggle human beings across the southern border, we need to start having perp walks of people that kept that border open, because I think that is the definition of high treason against a country, to allow an invasion to happen uninterrupted.
01:01:38.000I think you actually have to win people who are not activated politically now.
01:01:42.000The math problem in a state where President Trump got 42% of the vote is a very real one.
01:01:48.000But what I've kind of noticed about this place, spending a little more time here, is that it's hard to get people riled up about politics on our side when things are so wonderful.
01:01:57.000It's like, oh my god, I hate that the school wants one of the kids to have a litter box, but let's go surfing.
01:02:05.000And the other side are in this self-loathing, you know, they didn't get invited to the prom, and they've got all their personal problems, so they can just pour into politics.
01:02:23.000I think in a state like this, you've got to have something that's fun or people will not do it because there's a lot of fun things to do in this state.
01:03:07.000Matt, would you give us the one or two favorite ways for people to go into Congress with de minimis net worth and then graduate as multi-multi-millionaires?
01:03:40.000Another way is to, if you're a member of Congress, you have a remarkable ability to get jobs for your ne 'er-do-well family members who otherwise can't do anything.
01:03:49.000The number of members of Congress who have children or spouses who are registered lobbyists is astonishing to me, and it is bipartisan.
01:03:58.000The former Republican chairman of the Intelligence Committee, Richard Burr's wife...
01:04:06.000Could you imagine how your interests would fare if on the other side the chairman of the Intelligence Committee's wife and son was being paid to advocate against you?
01:04:17.000And so it is through the money laundering of fake no-show jobs, kind of an old mob tactic, and then the inside information that people get.
01:04:26.000And I would suggest that you follow Quiver Quantitative on X because it shows the stock trades people make and then the committees they serve on.
01:04:33.000We're just like, oh, well, this agriculture technology was just required by the EPA, and you sit on the Environment Committee, and you bought the stock that makes that tech, and it just went up 8,000%.
01:04:43.000It happens so frequently, and the reason it is allowed is because it happens on both sides.
01:04:50.000And if we really want to achieve Charlie's vision and all of your vision to save the country, we cannot tolerate that on our side either.
01:05:20.000How can we get term limits in Congress?
01:05:23.000What can we all do to push that notion forward?
01:05:26.000Yeah, that was one of the things that we sort of demanded from McCarthy's scalp, was a vote on term limits.
01:05:31.000And we knew we would lose that vote, but we thought it would be revealing to people who cared about it and saw that Republicans were blocking it.
01:05:39.000Term limits failed in the vote of its first committee of reference, upon which I served.
01:05:44.000The person who I campaigned, two people who I campaigned very hard for and consider otherwise good members of Congress, killed the bill.
01:05:52.000Harriet Hageman, who defeated Liz Cheney in Wyoming, I mean, look, they'll say we have term limits.
01:06:20.000We wouldn't have won the election without Turning Point.
01:06:23.000And look, we've got a lot more of them to win.
01:06:29.000People had to sit in these chairs before you when every polling presentation and every consultant was saying, we hope we can just get this thing within single digits.
01:06:37.000We hope we don't lose this vote by 25 or 35 points.
01:06:41.000And so, you know, the work we get to do is the fun stuff.
01:06:44.000Now, we've got the wind at our back, the turning point has happened, and we have got to get the cement to harden around a generation that can save this country.
01:06:53.000So I appreciate you all being a part of it.
01:06:54.000Thank you, Matt, and thank you guys for a wonderful weekend.