The Charlie Kirk Show - May 07, 2025


What Happens in a Trump-SCOTUS Showdown? ft. Matt Gaetz


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Matt Gaetz joins Charlie Kirk on the Charlie Kirk Show to discuss his new role as the new Congressman for Florida, Matt Gaetz. Charlie and Charlie talk about what it means to be a conservative in the Trump administration and what it takes to get there.

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00:00:00.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:01.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
00:00:03.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
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00:00:10.000 I want to thank Charlie.
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00:00:58.000 Okay, we are very thankful to have tonight someone who is pinch-hitting.
00:01:01.000 For Scott Bessent, because Scott had a lot going on.
00:01:04.000 But we'll take Matt Gaetz as a replacement, won't we everybody?
00:01:07.000 Give it up, everybody, for Matt Gaetz.
00:01:09.000 Thank you.
00:01:19.000 So Matt, welcome to Turning Point.
00:01:21.000 I didn't know there were this many conservatives in California.
00:01:25.000 You got all of them, Charlie.
00:01:28.000 My producer, I do the Matt Gaetz show on One America News, and my producer called me and said, Matt, if you show up at the Dell Coronado tonight, you can be on the best podcast around.
00:01:39.000 And I just assumed it would be with Gavin Newsom.
00:01:41.000 And it's the Charlie Kirk show.
00:01:44.000 That is true.
00:01:47.000 So, Matt, what's been keeping you busy?
00:01:49.000 I tell you, mostly cheering on what I believe to be the greatest progress that we have seen in the White House in my lifetime.
00:01:58.000 And I know in moments like this there's always a sense to say, well, how come we haven't strung Anthony Fauci up yet by his entrails and imprisoned Liz Cheney and, you know, expelled Adam Schiff from planet Earth on an Elon Musk rocket yet?
00:02:17.000 And I pause for what we are enjoying and what we have achieved, and it is remarkable, and it must be nurtured.
00:02:27.000 I heard in hour after hour of congressional testimony from Biden administration officials, Mayorkas, that the border was just an unsolvable problem.
00:02:37.000 That it was like a Rubik's Cube.
00:02:40.000 That we just couldn't figure it out under any circumstance.
00:02:43.000 And now we see with vision and resolve and with a few high-profile deportations to some very unpleasant places, not only is our government deporting people, people are deporting themselves!
00:02:57.000 Thank you.
00:03:01.000 And when we think about the core covenant President Trump has to rescue this economy from the wilderness that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris sent us out to, I am proud that we have someone who is willing to do what is necessary to reset what was a deeply unfair international economic order.
00:03:22.000 And I learned in Congress in some pretty tense moments that leverage is really only about two things.
00:03:30.000 How much you're willing to dish out.
00:03:32.000 And I think the old Republican Party just wanted to endure pain, and I think the MAGA movement actually wants to dish a little bit out every once in a while.
00:03:45.000 And so, Matt, what would you say are some of the victories that are so noticeably, not just different, but better than Trump won?
00:03:53.000 The change in culture.
00:03:55.000 We saw, in Trump won...
00:03:58.000 Okay, we spent every day waking up with everyone trying to tell us we were a bunch of Russian agents.
00:04:03.000 I was Putin's lawyer.
00:04:05.000 Trump was Putin's puppet.
00:04:07.000 We won the election because Vladimir Putin told everybody to not vote for Hillary Clinton.
00:04:11.000 And we couldn't collude with Vladimir Putin.
00:04:14.000 We could barely collude with ourselves to put on the next Trump rally during that just electric and exciting campaign that we were a part of.
00:04:23.000 And so there was an effort to delegitimize.
00:04:27.000 And I think that was upsetting and frustrating.
00:04:32.000 And also in Congress, you had people like Paul Ryan.
00:04:35.000 I'm actively working to derail the Trump administration.
00:04:39.000 And those people had power.
00:04:41.000 Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan would have been just fine if we'd have found out that Trump did something illegal and we'd have ended up with President Mike Pence.
00:04:49.000 But now, now you have a cabinet that is actually for the president.
00:04:53.000 Isn't that something?
00:04:54.000 That's pretty exciting.
00:04:56.000 We were dealing with Jeff Sessions, who was off making excuses for Hillary Clinton.
00:05:01.000 We were dealing with people in high leadership positions.
00:05:05.000 The FBI and CIA who were trying to tee up the president for some sort of impeachment or prosecution all along the way.
00:05:14.000 And so I think that unified sense of purpose is important.
00:05:18.000 And within the culture, rather than delegitimizing, there's kind of a curiosity about all of us now.
00:05:24.000 I saw a little bit of it the other day when our friend Steve Hilton was out on Skid Row talking politics with people who had clearly not done all of their homework throughout life but who are humans nonetheless and who probably, even if their lives are in shambles, want their life to be better and the breakthroughs and the curiosity is something that we have to leverage.
00:05:50.000 Charlie, and it's also...
00:05:52.000 And I'm not just saying this because I'm here, because I say it everywhere, and if you follow me on Twitter, you see I say it all the time.
00:05:57.000 The generational shift that we have seen and the fact that our politics is no longer so racialized is deeply pleasant to me.
00:06:06.000 It was just all about race before, and now we are building a multiracial, multiethnic, working class.
00:06:15.000 Movement of people, and it is inviting and warm, and that's why we are rising.
00:06:20.000 But it's also with young people.
00:06:23.000 I'm going to be 43 years old pretty soon, and if you would have told me when I was under the age of 30 that a U.S. president could count as their key constituency, their number one approval demographic, voters under the age of 30. I would have told you that was crazy.
00:06:42.000 When I was a young man in the state legislature in Florida, our political strategy to deal with young voters was to try to get them to not vote.
00:06:51.000 It was, consultants would come in and say, well, you know, if you put 84 things on the ballot, maybe one of these young people that wants to show up and vote for Obama will just vote at the top, but then turn in the ballot and they won't get down to the state senate, they won't get down to the mayor or the city council or the school board.
00:07:10.000 And that was what we thought winning looked like, discouraging young people from participating.
00:07:17.000 And you know why?
00:07:18.000 Because we weren't offering them that much.
00:07:21.000 Actually, what the conservatives stood for was more war and inviting more people across our border and selling out time and again and saying that victory was just surrender at a slower pace.
00:07:34.000 That was not an appealing idea to young voters, but I think we had two conflating facts.
00:07:38.000 One, you had the other side trying to tell them that they were either an oppressor or oppressed.
00:07:46.000 And that's actually offensive to almost anyone you say it to.
00:07:50.000 And that...
00:07:51.000 Combined with the crazy gender theory and the identity politics gave us an opportunity and we seized that opportunity because we were fun and we were energetic.
00:08:02.000 If you went to a young Republican meeting back when I was in my 20s, it was boring and everybody was like wearing name tags and a clip-on tie.
00:08:10.000 And you go to these turning point rallies and it is the place to be.
00:08:13.000 It is awesome.
00:08:14.000 It is cool.
00:08:15.000 I've had so many parents and grandparents come up to me and say that the person in their life who they cared for, And Matt, let's talk a little bit more about that.
00:08:36.000 I mean, one of the themes of this weekend is how the experts have been wrong.
00:08:40.000 And you covered that really well in Congress.
00:08:42.000 Experts were wrong about the border.
00:08:43.000 They were wrong about masks.
00:08:45.000 They were wrong about the COVID shot.
00:08:46.000 They were wrong about six feet to sell the spread.
00:08:48.000 But the other thing that the experts were wrong about is that Gen Z was going to be permanently liberal.
00:08:53.000 And one of the reasons why they've moved, we believe, is the work of Turning Point and our organizing.
00:08:58.000 But also, it is a reaction to how their life and their future was stolen from them during COVID and the lockdowns.
00:09:04.000 Can you speak to that?
00:09:06.000 We all think about it in our own lives.
00:09:09.000 You know, what it meant to graduate and walk across the graduation stage with your loved ones there, or going to prom and getting those prom pictures that you might still flip through, or having the football game where the stands are full and you've had a great athletic achievement, or you're in ROTC and every morning you got out there at 6 a.m. and you proved to the United States Military Academy or to the Naval Academy that you belonged because you showed that group dedication.
00:09:38.000 They were robbed of leadership opportunities.
00:09:41.000 They were robbed of social opportunities, academic opportunities, and it built resentment.
00:09:46.000 And by the way, how could it not build that resentment?
00:09:50.000 And when I used to be a young person...
00:09:53.000 There was a resistance to the Republicans because the Republicans were always trying to stop you from doing stuff.
00:09:59.000 You couldn't look at this book.
00:10:01.000 You couldn't read that opinion.
00:10:04.000 There was a sense that the moral majority was limiting of the kind of adolescent experience.
00:10:12.000 And now the political left is the...
00:10:16.000 Movement that embraces the cancel culture and the censorship and the idea that certain ideas are so dangerous that we cannot even confront them or encounter them or deal with them.
00:10:27.000 That is nonsense.
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00:10:34.000 They want to engage.
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00:11:51.000 There's a lot of depth to what you're saying there.
00:11:54.000 I want to explore it.
00:11:55.000 Even deeper, which is that in a world that they are raised in, in their high school classrooms and their college classrooms, they are so intellectually sanitized that there's almost no robust speech.
00:12:07.000 Because you live in this world of you might microaggress.
00:12:10.000 If you don't know what a microaggression is, it's where you say something that is deeply offensive to somebody, but you didn't mean it.
00:12:17.000 So, for example, there's like a bunch of liberal trolls that were trying to disrupt the Turning Point USA event last week.
00:12:23.000 It all fell apart within a week.
00:12:26.000 I told this story on the show the other day, but it's worth repeating.
00:12:29.000 And the reason it fell apart was that one of the organizers was talking to a group of people.
00:12:34.000 Some of them were black women. 1.00
00:12:35.000 And the organizer said, this is too disorganized.
00:12:37.000 We have to get our act together.
00:12:39.000 Well, the black women said that's a microaggression against their community. 1.00
00:12:43.000 And they staged a revolt and they demanded a resignation of the head of this Democrat organizing firm.
00:12:48.000 I'm not kidding.
00:12:49.000 Because she said that, she said, quote, this is disorganized.
00:12:54.000 And they said this is trauma going back hundreds of years against the black community, and the whole thing has fallen apart within a week.
00:13:01.000 Now, I want you to multiply that times a million.
00:13:04.000 Every classroom in government-run school in California has that ideology laced in it.
00:13:09.000 Every college campus has that ideology laced in it, where if you say one thing, you don't mean it.
00:13:14.000 For example, if you use the term you people, and you happen to be talking about a Hispanic or a black person, that's racist colonial language that could get you fired from a job.
00:13:24.000 And so this is the world that they are raised in.
00:13:26.000 And finally, out of that comes Turning Point USA and our total free speech event, where you could say anything, you can have the battle of ideas, and it is unbelievably attractive to a generation that is held ideologically hostage and in a labyrinth of these unpopular, tyrannical ideas.
00:13:44.000 And I think we're going to...
00:13:49.000 I think we're going to hold those voters because it wasn't just colleges and universities.
00:13:53.000 Those very same young people would graduate colleges and universities and show up at a corporate work environment that was forcing DEI training on them.
00:14:03.000 Some went on to the military where, you won't believe this, but in the military, a microaggression was deemed, utilizing the deeply offensive terms, mom and dad.
00:14:14.000 That if you use the term mom or dad, that might be a microaggression against someone who didn't have a mom and a dad.
00:14:23.000 And so you should only use parent.
00:14:26.000 And I'm just kind of wondering if the CCP or the Iranians or the Russians are sitting around...
00:14:33.000 They're trying to get more macroaggressions out of their military, and we're trying to drive the microaggressions out of ours under that circumstance. 0.70
00:14:42.000 And so I think that the rejection of that was driven by this generation, and the maintenance of our control of these institutions kind of relies on them.
00:14:53.000 And that's why we have to make sure that they're not just turned ideologically, but that they're up for it, which is a key feature of what Turning Point does.
00:15:02.000 Look, we were just hoping when Turning Point was at the crescendo that we would be able to play even ball.
00:15:10.000 We would hold serve with young people.
00:15:11.000 We could maybe get a diminution in the delta of votes such that the boomers would save us forever. 0.99
00:15:18.000 And the reality is that...
00:15:22.000 Now, with this being a powerhouse, they have to go from voters to people who can activate other key constituencies and talk to their neighbors and get even the generation that follows, Gen Alpha, engaged in those very initiatives.
00:15:38.000 The durability of it is what we must nurture.
00:15:41.000 If we throw our hands up in the air and say, mission accomplished, this is all done, it can be lost.
00:15:47.000 Because that's what the left did, by the way.
00:15:49.000 They became the party that was opposed to curiosity, that was opposed to intellectualism, just generally, and embraced this monolith.
00:15:58.000 And we cannot do that.
00:15:59.000 We cannot do that.
00:16:00.000 And this was a constant...
00:16:02.000 Criticism I had of the Congress in which I served, there was such a desire to just be there and be on the team that so much of the necessary work was not being accomplished, particularly on the matter of spending.
00:16:15.000 And if you don't believe me, look at the work of Elon Musk and Doge.
00:16:21.000 What they have done has not only been inspirational...
00:16:26.000 It has been revealing.
00:16:28.000 It has been revealing about what you get when you govern by continuing resolution and omnibus spending bill.
00:16:35.000 It is true that the closest thing to everlasting life is a government program because once they are baked in...
00:16:42.000 They are infrequently reviewed for their efficacy and for their results.
00:16:47.000 And I am grateful that that happened, but I think that has to be a guiding light for what we demand of public servants going forward, not a solution unto itself.
00:17:00.000 So much to unpack there.
00:17:01.000 I'm glad you mentioned this, Matt, because if I were to so...
00:17:03.000 I would give the administration, President Trump and his team, an A or an A+.
00:17:07.000 And I mean that.
00:17:08.000 Because in 100 days, what they've been able to do is remarkable.
00:17:11.000 And let's just take one example.
00:17:12.000 For example, the military.
00:17:13.000 You say that.
00:17:15.000 Pete Hegseth gets non-stop negative news coverage.
00:17:19.000 Military recruitment is up.
00:17:21.000 Military morale is up.
00:17:22.000 These are measurable numbers, by the way.
00:17:23.000 These are not just anecdotes.
00:17:24.000 The morale of the military is up 30%.
00:17:27.000 Recruitment is up 15 to 20%.
00:17:29.000 War game exercises in the South China Sea are up 30%.
00:17:33.000 Procurement is going in the efficiency direction.
00:17:36.000 Our enemies finally fear us again.
00:17:39.000 All the stuff that we want of our military is happening.
00:17:42.000 And not to mention, we got rid of the COVID vaccine requirement.
00:17:45.000 We got rid of pronouns on battleships.
00:17:47.000 And the one that I love the most, that got almost no news coverage, physical fitness standards for men and women in combat are the same.
00:17:55.000 No accommodation based on sex.
00:17:59.000 I know this is...
00:18:00.000 The fact that we have to applaud that is pretty remarkable, right?
00:18:04.000 And again, nothing against people that want to serve, obviously, but the physical fitness standards were so lower accommodated that a woman only had to be able to do like 11 push-ups where the man had to be able to do 35 push-ups.
00:18:16.000 I have the whole chart.
00:18:17.000 It's so dramatic.
00:18:18.000 The one that was the most scary, though, was the deadlift.
00:18:22.000 Where a female in the United States military only had to deadlift, I think, like 195 pounds, where an average male in the U.S. military with gear on in a battle conflict weighs well over 250 pounds. 1.00
00:18:33.000 That is an existential threat to our servicemen in combat if a woman has to put him on her back and to get him out of harm's way to save his life. 1.00
00:18:43.000 That is not an abstraction.
00:18:44.000 That is a real national security threat for people that serve.
00:18:47.000 And that's just one of many examples.
00:18:49.000 So we can go through all the great stuff President Trump is doing, and I want to emphasize that.
00:18:52.000 But I think, Matt, you're uniquely positioned to address a current anxiety that a lot of people have in this room.
00:18:57.000 What the heck is Congress doing?
00:18:59.000 Where is the action?
00:19:01.000 Where is the legislation?
00:19:03.000 We do have these majorities.
00:19:05.000 You've served in the House and you did really well as a firebrand, but why have we not seen just like a volley of bills every week, making the Democrats vote against them?
00:19:17.000 One single subject bills, boom, vote against this, vote against that.
00:19:21.000 No men in female sports, vote against that. 1.00
00:19:23.000 Matt, I know you will not do air cover at all because you're not in Congress.
00:19:42.000 But help us understand, because the impatience of this audience is at record highs with Congress, the approval very high for President Trump.
00:19:50.000 So walk us through that.
00:19:51.000 Yeah, I didn't even talk too good about those folks when I had to go to work with them every day.
00:19:55.000 So I'll tell you exactly.
00:19:57.000 Come on, Matt.
00:19:57.000 Let them have it.
00:19:58.000 I'll be straight, very straight with you.
00:20:01.000 Congress is either afraid or corrupt.
00:20:04.000 In most circumstances.
00:20:06.000 And the fear derives from the sense of any criticism being dispositive.
00:20:11.000 I had a lot of colleagues in Congress whose goal was just to not be mentioned.
00:20:16.000 Because they see the stats, over 90% of people in Congress get re-elected.
00:20:21.000 And so if you're not getting mentioned frequently, you're not going to be one of the outliers that is at risk of losing the power that you've worked to accumulate.
00:20:30.000 And that really, really drives people to...
00:20:36.000 That's why you see so many bills that you think, gosh, did we really need to rename 13 post offices this week while President Trump is seeking critical trade authority or national security authorities?
00:20:51.000 And then the other part is the corruption.
00:20:54.000 When I was in Congress, I was the only Republican congressman who refused all lobbyists and PAC donations.
00:21:05.000 And even people I like, even people I would knock on doors for and donate to, would have the audacity to stand before their constituents and say that the hundreds of thousands of dollars or millions of dollars that they were getting from...
00:21:22.000 Professional power brokers was not tied to some expectation of their behavior on the other end.
00:21:29.000 And we all know that instinctively, but we forgive people who do it because we say, well, they just have to.
00:21:35.000 You know, you've got to fund your campaigns somehow.
00:21:37.000 And I came to the realization that if that's the way I had to fund my campaigns, I did not want this job anymore.
00:21:44.000 I did not want elections to just be about who got to be valets for the same special interests.
00:21:51.000 In big pharma or big business or who wanted open borders or trade agreements that hollowed out the middle class while building up the middle kingdom. 0.84
00:22:01.000 Fear and corruption paralyzes the place.
00:22:06.000 And then there is a muscle memory.
00:22:08.000 To just fund everything all at once.
00:22:10.000 And this would be one disagreement I have with the Trump strategy.
00:22:15.000 And President Trump's a far better strategist, so he's probably right and I'm probably wrong.
00:22:18.000 But I think that we should have single-subject bills that only deal with one thing at a time.
00:22:26.000 And I believe that because when you do it the other way, there is no way to scrutinize what is working and what is not working, what is harmful and what is helpful.
00:22:37.000 And when we tried to put up...
00:22:41.000 Reasonable reductions in obviously wasteful programs.
00:22:45.000 There would be a block of Republican votes against us to merely maintain the structure that did not allow that type of review because they may be subject to that review eliminating some of their programs.
00:22:58.000 We had a Republican who sat down in the budget negotiations and said, I'll be for any cut so long as it's across the board to everything and not reviewing individual things.
00:23:08.000 And I said, why?
00:23:09.000 He said, well, because mine wasn't.
00:23:11.000 And that was like an acceptable answer.
00:23:15.000 And so here's a tangible vote that I was aggrieved by.
00:23:19.000 You see Elon pointing out how USAID was really just a slush fund for the global left for their regime change ambitions and their social engineering ambitions.
00:23:31.000 That's what USAID has largely been.
00:23:33.000 Eli Crane, a terrific congressman from Arizona, put up an amendment to just cut their money in half.
00:23:39.000 And 141 Republicans voted against Eli Crane's amendment.
00:23:44.000 And those same people show up now and say, we love Doge, we love Elon, cut it.
00:23:48.000 But when they had the chance to vote, they just voted in lockstep because of the fear and because of the corruption.
00:23:54.000 Now, I tried everything to break through that.
00:23:57.000 I tried shaming them.
00:23:58.000 I tried altering my own behavior with donors.
00:24:01.000 I fired the guy who sat in front of the building.
00:24:04.000 All of that was insufficient.
00:24:07.000 And my only hope is that courage can be contagious with President Trump and with the effort that he has put into this initiative that the members of Congress will do what is necessary.
00:24:19.000 And I think the obvious first step is to take his most popular executive orders and to put them into permanent law.
00:24:25.000 And if we can't get the votes, show who's voting no.
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00:25:42.000 Single-subject, one-page bills.
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00:25:45.000 We're going to get a monstrosity, a big, beautiful bill.
00:25:50.000 And so walk us through how you're thinking about that.
00:25:54.000 There will be some really good stuff in there.
00:25:56.000 There will be no tax on tips.
00:25:57.000 There will be no tax on overtime, no tax on Social Security.
00:26:00.000 There will be more border funding.
00:26:01.000 There will be more deportation funding.
00:26:03.000 But where do you think the end product will be?
00:26:06.000 I'm so happy with all of those things and getting those things right.
00:26:10.000 If you got any one of those things right, it would be deemed one of the most consequential presidencies in all of our life.
00:26:15.000 If you could do all of that, it would be incredible.
00:26:17.000 But if we do all of that and you keep the structural deficit in place that we have on spending, we will not save the country.
00:26:27.000 If we have a secure border but no economy, we will not save the country.
00:26:31.000 We are headed to some necessary austerity and that only gets harder the longer you wait.
00:26:38.000 I heard a story From this last week in Congress, where they were trying to say, well, where can we get some cuts?
00:26:44.000 And the Medicaid program is an important program, but it is rife with fraud.
00:26:49.000 And a lot of the waste in Medicaid is driven by the fact that the federal government runs it.
00:26:53.000 Because states would come up with more cost-effective, innovative ways to be able to keep people healthy in their jurisdictions.
00:27:01.000 But no, no, no.
00:27:02.000 We have a system where you have to spend more state money in Medicaid in order to activate a federal drawdown.
00:27:09.000 Speaker Johnson and some smart folks said, tell you what, why don't we do a plan to cap Medicaid at our current spending and then just send it to the states and block granite and then some will succeed, some will fail, best practices will emerge and they'll be copied in our federalist system.
00:27:26.000 And Republicans were so offended that he would have the nerve to cut future expected Medicaid growth that they walked out of the room.
00:27:35.000 And wouldn't even listen, Derek Van Orten of Wisconsin.
00:27:38.000 And that should really worry us, because if we don't believe in unlocking innovation, then this is still going to be a very expensive government to run, far more expensive than we are able to generate in taxes or in any tariff.
00:27:54.000 And so I think the problem is structural.
00:27:57.000 I think that you have to get to the single-subject bills.
00:28:01.000 I don't believe the big, beautiful bill is going to result in substantial reductions in spending, and that's still the meat on the bone.
00:28:09.000 That's still the work we're going to have to do.
00:28:10.000 It's not a criticism of the important tax work and the important border work, but the spending hawks have become an endangered species on Capitol Hill, and I'll still fly with them.
00:28:22.000 So I want to now ask about the Democrat Party, and then I do want to do some questions.
00:28:26.000 What would you say is the state of the Democrat Party, What have we learned since the election?
00:28:33.000 And what are lessons that we can internalize to try to turn this into maybe a decade or two decade governing majority?
00:28:40.000 I have some impolitic views on this.
00:28:43.000 I believe that the most...
00:28:47.000 Well, who's left in the Democratic Party are like the beta males, the unsuccessful males, the angry lesbian, pitbull adopting lesbians. 0.97
00:28:57.000 Tim Walls.
00:28:58.000 And then...
00:29:00.000 And then the transsexuals. 1.00
00:29:03.000 And so I believe that the trans women will very soon be the most masculine force in the Democratic Party. 1.00
00:29:13.000 Because who are you?
00:29:14.000 I see several of you nodding.
00:29:16.000 Who do you think is going to be the most masculine force in the Democratic Party? 1.00
00:29:20.000 The beta males or the trans women? 0.98
00:29:23.000 I think the trans women are probably going to kind of take over that. 1.00
00:29:26.000 And you wonder how all of this broke out in the election.
00:29:30.000 And President Trump was able to overcome a gender gap with women by having a larger gender gap with men.
00:29:38.000 And so the coalition on the Republican side was like, you know, the non-self-loathing males.
00:29:45.000 Of any color, stripe, creed.
00:29:47.000 I mean, we had, like, the cool black guys and the cool Latino guys.
00:29:51.000 We got the gay men, pretty much, with us, for the most part.
00:29:54.000 And then you added...
00:29:57.000 It really put it to...
00:29:59.000 I think women, you could divide into, like, desirable women and undesirable women. 1.00
00:30:04.000 And the Democrats killed us with undesirable women. 1.00
00:30:09.000 If no one...
00:30:10.000 I mean, they struggled.
00:30:12.000 But if you were, like, cool...
00:30:14.000 And a woman, you looked around and you're like, well, who do I want to hang out with? 0.99
00:30:18.000 Like the cool alpha males and the cool black guys and the gay men?
00:30:21.000 Or the pit bull adopting lesbians and the transsexuals? 0.99
00:30:24.000 And we got the desirable women, and I would like to keep them. 0.98
00:30:28.000 Thank you.
00:30:35.000 And this is a cultural change that transcends politics, right?
00:30:40.000 This is a cultural change that is deeper than just...
00:30:44.000 A singular election.
00:30:46.000 What would you say, going into not just 2026, but future years, things, a to-do list, that Republicans need to get serious about?
00:30:55.000 Lessons you've learned from Congress, running for office, going through the process?
00:31:00.000 I would like to know where J.D. Vance gets his eyelashes done. 0.76
00:31:04.000 That is a question that needs to be answered.
00:31:06.000 No, I, look, for our party to succeed, you can't outkick your coverage.
00:31:14.000 I think that there are moments where we can go beyond our mandate.
00:31:23.000 I don't think President Trump has done that at all, and I think that's why he's been so successful thus far.
00:31:28.000 The other thing we've got to do is deal with this judiciary.
00:31:31.000 You have to deal with that because if you allow a single judge in Maryland to conduct foreign policy or gender policy or...
00:31:44.000 We have judges now telling the Department of Health and Human Services that they have to put back up websites about how to do gender blockers.
00:31:53.000 That is not something that a judge should do.
00:31:56.000 The concepts of judicial review did not...
00:32:00.000 Imagine a federal judiciary of hundreds of tyrants all over the country capable of binding all of us in the absence of an election.
00:32:08.000 That is crazy.
00:32:10.000 And I think Congress could do a lot more to attack that problem.
00:32:14.000 But ultimately, you know what it's going to come down to?
00:32:16.000 And I asked myself this question when President Trump and I were talking about me serving in the administration.
00:32:22.000 Are you going to be willing to defy a court order if necessary?
00:32:26.000 If you get to a point where It's somebody's life or limb on the border or what some Woketopian judge in the District of Columbia says.
00:32:37.000 Are you willing to do the right thing?
00:32:39.000 Are you going to allow these people to conduct the foreign affairs of the United States?
00:32:44.000 And we all know how this ends.
00:32:47.000 It's illustrated by a conversation I had with Elon Musk during the transition at Mar-a-Lago.
00:32:52.000 Elon said, Matt, all I need are everyone's passwords.
00:32:58.000 And I said, well...
00:32:58.000 He was obsessed about the passwords for like two months.
00:33:01.000 All I need is the passwords.
00:33:02.000 I said, well, Elon, they're in a lot of places, but why do you need the passwords?
00:33:06.000 He says, well, if I have the passwords, then we will not be inhumane.
00:33:10.000 We will not break any laws.
00:33:11.000 If we have to pay people out, you know, we will, but they will not be able to come to work anymore and do harm to the country.
00:33:18.000 I said, well, what's going to happen when you do that is that these federal laws and these employment contracts and a judge is going to issue an order that you cannot do that anymore.
00:33:28.000 And he says, and then what will happen?
00:33:30.000 I said, well, then if people don't enforce the order, the federal marshals will show up. 0.97
00:33:35.000 And he said, and who do they work for?
00:33:37.000 I said, well, they work for the attorney general.
00:33:40.000 And he said, and then I will make you the attorney general.
00:33:45.000 And then the idea was boring.
00:33:52.000 But Matt, I want to spend a little time on this because it's important.
00:33:55.000 That's a serious statement.
00:33:57.000 It's not unprecedented.
00:33:58.000 There have been standoffs between the third branch and the second branch.
00:34:04.000 Article 2, Article 3 were actually designed to be in tension.
00:34:07.000 Famously, there was the old expression, let Marshall send his army, was when there was a Supreme Court decision.
00:34:15.000 I think it was Andrew Jackson or something, right?
00:34:17.000 It was Andrew Jackson, right?
00:34:18.000 Let Supreme Court Justice Marshall send his army.
00:34:24.000 I don't remember all the details around the case, but essentially what Matt is getting at is a very provocative and yet important truth statement.
00:34:34.000 The third branch of government, the courts, have no enforcement mechanism.
00:34:38.000 They exist solely on faith, and they exist solely on our buy-in.
00:34:44.000 It's like the U.S. dollar.
00:34:45.000 It's valuable because we say it's valuable.
00:34:48.000 Right?
00:34:48.000 It's like everyone believes it, so therefore it is.
00:34:51.000 Now, defying a court order would be, let's just say, there's no going back if it's a big one.
00:35:01.000 Now, with that being said, Biden defied the...
00:35:04.000 I heard we're not going back.
00:35:05.000 No, I know.
00:35:06.000 That's what I was told.
00:35:07.000 But I want to play this out because this is heavy stuff and it's important.
00:35:11.000 Now, Biden did defy the Supreme Court when it came to student loans.
00:35:14.000 Harvard defied the Supreme Court when it came to affirmative action.
00:35:16.000 But let's say, for example, the United States Supreme Court, which you have no idea because Amy Coney Barrett's been a disappointment, and hopefully she gets better.
00:35:26.000 But let's just say the U.S. Supreme Court...
00:35:28.000 You know who really leaned in to get her picked?
00:35:31.000 Me.
00:35:31.000 Mike Johnson.
00:35:31.000 And me.
00:35:32.000 I made a mistake.
00:35:33.000 Whatever.
00:35:33.000 So, I mean, she's better than Sotomayor, but still, she's not been great.
00:35:38.000 But let's go, and let's say the U.S. Supreme Court says, you have to give individualized, multi-year due process to every illegal alien.
00:35:47.000 This is a possibility.
00:35:49.000 Which would mean that we would deport like 400 people in four years.
00:35:54.000 I'm exaggerating, but right, Matt, it would be...
00:35:56.000 What, are we going to have 20 million trials?
00:35:59.000 For these people who got in the country, what due process did you get if your job was taken, if your family member was harmed, if your community was changed? 0.99
00:36:05.000 But this is where the Supreme Court is considering it, because the precedent says that you have to give due process to every illegal alien.
00:36:11.000 And so, with that being said, of course, not when it comes to the Alien Enemies Act, which is also being debated, but Matt, play this out for us.
00:36:20.000 If President Trump basically says, let Roberts send his army, what then happens?
00:36:26.000 Well, I don't think he has one.
00:36:28.000 I know, but play this out.
00:36:31.000 Look, the court survives based on the veneer of its legitimacy.
00:36:36.000 And when it does violence to its own legitimacy, that is self-harm that the court is doing to itself.
00:36:42.000 That is not President Trump's fault.
00:36:43.000 That is the court's fault.
00:36:46.000 It's just so fantastical.
00:36:48.000 Their belief that these people who are a federal district court judge that nobody voted for, that no one has ever heard of, can define when America is being invaded.
00:36:59.000 That is something that the president decides.
00:37:01.000 And you may not like the president.
00:37:02.000 We've had presidents I haven't liked.
00:37:04.000 But that is solely within their purview.
00:37:07.000 And so when you've got the liberal judges engaged in the way they are, it's like trying to have a fair...
00:37:15.000 Football competition when the referee is wearing the jersey of the other team.
00:37:19.000 It is a futile exercise.
00:37:22.000 And so ultimately, I do believe that there will come that moment.
00:37:26.000 There will be a standoff.
00:37:27.000 Oh, yeah.
00:37:28.000 And so let's just play this out, though.
00:37:30.000 Trump defies it.
00:37:31.000 Yeah.
00:37:32.000 What then happens?
00:37:33.000 Then they will issue an order to the marshals to effectuate some enforcement of an injunction.
00:37:43.000 And those marshals work for the Attorney General and ought to be told to stand down.
00:37:50.000 Yeah, and so what we're saying is it could be a serious constitutional question.
00:37:55.000 They'll say it's a crisis.
00:37:56.000 They already call him a dictator, right?
00:37:58.000 We'll have a whole other impeachment, but I almost miss those.
00:38:01.000 I really miss the impeachments.
00:38:02.000 I don't know about anyone else.
00:38:03.000 Wouldn't you agree, though, Matt, that we should do this on a topic that the people voted for overwhelmingly?
00:38:12.000 Where it's a clean-cut case, where it's of existential importance, and the courts, it's gone all the way up to the Supreme Court.
00:38:20.000 So we've played it out.
00:38:21.000 For example, we should allow the Supreme Court to at least have a chance.
00:38:24.000 Would you agree?
00:38:25.000 Sure.
00:38:26.000 I don't know that we stopped the deportation while that's occurring, but I can't think of more advantageous high ground to fight on than Democrats wanting to re-import an MS-13 member from El Salvador who is a Salvadorian national.
00:38:41.000 I love El Salvador.
00:38:42.000 I spend a ton of time there.
00:38:44.000 I'm friends with the president.
00:38:44.000 I think he's one of the greatest leaders in the Western world.
00:38:47.000 The fact that the Democrats' cause du jour is to reimport Kilmar Garcia is, like, my favorite thing.
00:38:55.000 I will do anything to help the Democrats keep Kilmar Garcia in the A block of every news story.
00:39:01.000 He was, like, arrested for human smuggling.
00:39:04.000 He beat his wife.
00:39:05.000 He beat his kids.
00:39:06.000 I mean, this is not, like, the Maryland dad that they say.
00:39:10.000 By the way, MS-13 members have children too.
00:39:13.000 You guys knew that, right?
00:39:14.000 They didn't sterilize them on the way into MS-13.
00:39:16.000 They have children.
00:39:18.000 And that does not mean that you would not want to return that person back to their home country.
00:39:25.000 And I think our friend Stephen Miller put it best.
00:39:27.000 The arrogance of any system in the United States, be it a court or the State Department, to tell El Salvador what they have to do with their own gang member.
00:39:38.000 It's just astonishing to me.
00:39:41.000 They know what to do with gang members in El Salvador.
00:39:44.000 El Salvador used to be the murder capital of the world.
00:39:47.000 They locked up over 50,000 gang members, and now it is safer to walk the streets of San Salvador than it is to walk the streets of Los Angeles or San Diego.
00:39:56.000 And just think about the moral sickness.
00:39:59.000 You have a Democrat senator, several, that fly to El Salvador for this gang member.
00:40:04.000 Meanwhile, they would not get on a plane to probably go to try to go advocate for the return of American citizens that are still being held as hostages by Hamas.
00:40:13.000 You know there's American citizens that are still being held hostage by Hamas?
00:40:17.000 And they wouldn't get on a plane to go advocate for that, but they want the MS-13 gang member to return.
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00:40:36.000 Across the U.S., over 7.5 million businesses, from family-owned shops to entrepreneurs, are using TikTok to compete and grow.
00:40:42.000 We use TikTok all the time on The Charlie Kirk Show.
00:40:45.000 In fact, 74% of businesses on TikTok say TikTok has allowed them to scale their operations, increasing sales, and expanding to new locations.
00:40:53.000 And that growth means jobs.
00:40:54.000 Today, there's over 7.5 million U.S. businesses on TikTok employing more than 28 million people.
00:40:59.000 And that number keeps growing.
00:41:01.000 Small businesses thrive on TikTok.
00:41:03.000 Learn more about TikTok's contribution to the U.S. economy at TikTokEconomicImpact.com.
00:41:11.000 Let's just say one last question on this, Matt.
00:41:13.000 What is one thing that you are most hopeful about that is not necessarily being covered, a story that is not being noticed, that you think that deserves more attention, a real positive development?
00:41:25.000 Well, it's the ascent of J.D. Vance.
00:41:28.000 Look, being Donald Trump's vice president is not an easy job.
00:41:32.000 When you are close to the flame, President Trump can seek your advice, your deployment to a particular challenge, your...
00:41:42.000 Buddy time.
00:41:43.000 He wants to give relationship advice a lot, I've noticed.
00:41:48.000 And J.D. Vance has been a stalwart in that White House.
00:41:55.000 He has been a focused policy expert.
00:41:58.000 He has been a brilliant communicator.
00:42:01.000 President Trump always says, Matt, he's the greatest political athlete of all time.
00:42:05.000 Well, maybe other than me.
00:42:07.000 But I think that that That tells us that we're building to something.
00:42:11.000 Because I did wonder what it would be like after we won the last Trump election, maybe.
00:42:19.000 There weren't the MAGA rallies that gave us kind of a sense of community that brought us together.
00:42:25.000 And President Trump's campaign moments weren't the unifying vision and direction that any successful movement needs.
00:42:33.000 And to see someone right there, ready to take the mantle, ready to ensure that all this work we're doing is not going to just run through the hourglass like sand, it gives me hope that...
00:42:46.000 That it's all been worth it.
00:42:48.000 That going through the snow in Iowa at negative 20 degrees, which, by the way, after bringing my Southern California wife to Iowa at negative 20 was when I needed the relationship advice from President Trump.
00:43:00.000 But all of that, going to the swing states and enduring the indictments, the prosecutions, the investigations.
00:43:09.000 We are actually the party that wants this country to be better for everyone, and not just our own team.
00:43:15.000 And I really, really mean that.
00:43:16.000 I sincerely believe that the left seeks...
00:43:21.000 Their advancement at our detriment and that we don't feel the same way.
00:43:26.000 We actually don't have a vision for the country that just means we win and they lose.
00:43:30.000 That the economy is only better for us.
00:43:32.000 That the dollar is only stronger for us.
00:43:34.000 And I think that that can be something that pulls us together.
00:43:39.000 One final story from when we were out there in Iowa and I was dragging myself in from waving the sign out in the snow.
00:43:46.000 And there was this barista, and she runs up to me and says, Congressman Gates, can I get a picture?
00:43:52.000 My boyfriend is not working, and I have to send him a picture because he'll be so mad he didn't meet you.
00:43:57.000 He's a big fan of yours.
00:43:58.000 I said, sure, sure.
00:43:59.000 Will you vote for President Trump in the caucuses?
00:44:01.000 Will you caucus for him?
00:44:02.000 And she said, oh, yeah, no, I'll do that.
00:44:05.000 I said, well, if we send this picture to your boyfriend, can you make sure he gets out there in caucuses for President Trump, too?
00:44:11.000 And she said, Matt.
00:44:12.000 I'm so, for President Trump, I'm not only going to get my boyfriend to caucus for him, I'm going to get all of my ex-boyfriends to caucus for him, too.
00:44:20.000 And so it's with the spirit of that barista that we take on the challenge ahead of us.
00:44:24.000 I love it.
00:44:25.000 Let's do some questions.
00:44:26.000 Dylan has a mic here.
00:44:29.000 And let's keep it to questions, not speeches, please.
00:44:33.000 Yes, over there, Dylan.
00:44:35.000 Question one, why is Fauci not in jail?
00:44:38.000 Got a great former Navy SEAL here, by the way.
00:44:41.000 Newcomer.
00:44:41.000 Give it up for him.
00:44:42.000 Great, great guy.
00:44:45.000 Which team are you on?
00:44:46.000 Team three, right down the road.
00:44:47.000 That's amazing.
00:44:48.000 Right down the road, right?
00:44:49.000 Yeah, go ahead.
00:44:50.000 Right down the road.
00:44:50.000 So I had a question.
00:44:51.000 You brought up the subject of guys who are U.S. citizens who are in Gaza, still stuck there, multiple that are stuck there right now.
00:45:02.000 What politically is causing this?
00:45:05.000 Why has this not been solved yet?
00:45:07.000 How come there are guys in U.S.?
00:45:09.000 Military members who are in Tel Aviv right now who could go and either advise or take care of a mission like this and instead were how many years into this conflict?
00:45:20.000 A year and a half.
00:45:21.000 And they're still sitting there.
00:45:23.000 Still sitting there.
00:45:24.000 What is happening here?
00:45:26.000 Why are these guys not home?
00:45:28.000 How come there's not something undertaken tonight to get these guys home?
00:45:34.000 It's a great question.
00:45:35.000 For me personally, it's the most disturbing, and I even make a mistake on this.
00:45:39.000 We forget that there are U.S. citizens that were killed on October 7th and U.S. citizens taken hostage.
00:45:44.000 So it's very easy and tempting to say, okay, it's just a foreign thing. 0.96
00:45:48.000 But the contract should be a U.S. passport holder is held hostage. 0.67
00:45:52.000 That should be the full marshalling of the U.S. government.
00:45:54.000 At least that's the country I was raised in, right?
00:45:57.000 I know that.
00:45:59.000 And all that does is that it incentivizes more United States citizens to possibly get scooped up in foreign lands and missionaries to all of a sudden disappear.
00:46:08.000 I don't have a good answer for you strategically or militarily.
00:46:11.000 Matt, I don't know if you want to comment on that.
00:46:13.000 I know it's incredibly complex.
00:46:15.000 And look, I mean, Israel needs to be able to give the green light, get the green light to do what they do.
00:46:20.000 I go on campuses, as you guys know, and I get a ton of hate because I stand for America and I stand for Israel.
00:46:26.000 I don't care about the hate, honestly, like whatever.
00:46:30.000 But again, even on our side, we do a bad job of just making the very simple moral argument.
00:46:38.000 That if an American citizen is killed, and if an American citizen is currently hostage, that is our problem.
00:46:44.000 It's not an outsourced problem.
00:46:45.000 In fact, it should be a top priority.
00:46:47.000 I mean, we should know the names of these hostages, and I bet we can find it, right, that they're the U.S. citizens, but they should be like household names.
00:46:56.000 And just think about the moral sickness of the West, where we spent an entire summer getting mad because George Floyd died in Minnesota because he drug overdosed.
00:47:07.000 Which he did, by the way.
00:47:08.000 And, like, we're not getting mad that U.S. citizens are currently being held hostage for a year and a half by a foreign terror force?
00:47:14.000 I know, that really bothers me.
00:47:16.000 It's a great question.
00:47:16.000 Thank you.
00:47:18.000 Charlie, I have a question right here.
00:47:20.000 Thank you.
00:47:21.000 Bob Niehaus.
00:47:23.000 There's a long tradition in the British common law having to do with the equities of a matter as well as the legality in the process of the matter.
00:47:30.000 I don't mean equity in the DEI sense.
00:47:34.000 You understand.
00:47:36.000 Without getting into all the constitutional niceties, is that a way for the Supreme Court to find its way to the right answer on this deportation business?
00:47:45.000 Oh, I think that that's one of many ways.
00:47:48.000 I think that also having a muscular view of Article 2. Would give the court a pretty clear path to say that it is not for a district court judge with a law clerk and a secretary to determine what constitutes an invasion.
00:48:06.000 It is indeed for a president and a national security team to make that calculus.
00:48:12.000 But yes, the court's inherent equity power is one that is less frequently used by appellate courts, probably.
00:48:22.000 Explain what that is.
00:48:24.000 Yeah, I mean, a court can always sort of say, well, we have this inherent power to create an equitable outcome here.
00:48:33.000 And it does trace back to the British common law.
00:48:36.000 It's not something you'll find in a federal statute.
00:48:39.000 And it is used in courts every day to shape a particular remedy, or at times if someone has unclean hands and is seeking redress in a way, the court's equitable powers can be deployed.
00:48:53.000 But here, I think that it's really who you want to run in the country.
00:48:58.000 Do you want a web of judges that nobody votes for, or do you want the president?
00:49:02.000 And we will have presidents we like and don't like, but I think that any result that is not vindicated...
00:49:08.000 The degradation of Trump's powers here is a degradation of the democracy.
00:49:12.000 And how many years did we all have to listen to the Democrats telling us we were a threat to democracy?
00:49:17.000 We were a threat to democracy until the voters in our republic actually elected Donald Trump.
00:49:24.000 And you don't hear that anymore.
00:49:25.000 It's how the judges have to come in and stop the will of the voters from being executed.
00:49:30.000 And it's revealing of the hypocrisy.
00:49:32.000 So a couple thoughts on that.
00:49:33.000 So Matt's exactly right.
00:49:35.000 Over the last hundred years, we've created a figurehead presidency where they basically just show up and give ceremonial speeches and welcome Super Bowl champions and sign executive orders.
00:49:47.000 It's a figurehead ceremonial presidency.
00:49:50.000 So where is the power gone?
00:49:52.000 So post-FDR, almost all the power was broken into an unelected bureaucracy and an unelected judiciary.
00:49:59.000 Any president that has tried to actually stop this has, let's just say, Had a tough time.
00:50:07.000 Richard Nixon was the most popularly elected president in the 20th century.
00:50:13.000 More than Reagan.
00:50:14.000 He won every single state except D.C., I think, and maybe Massachusetts, if my memory serves me correctly, right?
00:50:20.000 Election of 1972.
00:50:21.000 The most popular.
00:50:22.000 And he's gone within a year and a half.
00:50:24.000 I think he's gone because of the deep state, and that's a whole thing.
00:50:27.000 Of course, he didn't act perfectly, but there is a good argument that Nixon was more innocent than people would believe.
00:50:33.000 The point being, this guy was legitimately popular.
00:50:36.000 And Nixon believed that the president actually should have the power the people gave him.
00:50:42.000 And he was constantly at war with the unelected bureaucracy.
00:50:45.000 He was constantly at war with the FBI.
00:50:47.000 He was constantly at war with the DOJ.
00:50:49.000 J. Edgar Hoover didn't like this.
00:50:51.000 He was like, who's this guy?
00:50:52.000 Who does he think is?
00:50:53.000 We're in charge.
00:50:54.000 You see, the German view of government, which is at odds with the American view of government, is the power rests in the middle bureaucracy.
00:51:02.000 Not in the people, not in the presidency, but it's the experts.
00:51:06.000 It's imagine they think the power should be in the hands of 100,000 Anthony Fauci's.
00:51:13.000 They know better than you, and they design your life.
00:51:16.000 And so Reagan tried to change it, and he attempted to do it, and he changed some things, but the biggest mistake Reagan ever made was making H.W. Bush his vice president.
00:51:24.000 It was a major mistake.
00:51:26.000 And H.W. Bush ran the government and changed everything.
00:51:29.000 And then, of course, Trump comes along.
00:51:31.000 And I believe this is one of the reasons why they hate him.
00:51:32.000 It's because he has this crazy idea that the people are actually sovereign and they're in charge of this country.
00:51:37.000 And that it's not an unelected bunch of judges and an unelected bunch of bureaucrats.
00:51:42.000 And Trump, interestingly enough, the story of Trump and Trump 1 and Trump 2 is those are the two places that are constantly trying to take him out.
00:51:50.000 It's either Crossfire Hurricane or some judge doing a national injunction.
00:51:55.000 Someone spying on his phone calls.
00:51:57.000 Or someone trying to stop him from drinking too many Diet Cokes.
00:52:01.000 And so, this is coming to a reckoning very fast.
00:52:05.000 Because this is not the system of government that we have.
00:52:08.000 It's something completely different.
00:52:10.000 We have a constitution in name only.
00:52:13.000 It literally is a ceremonial document.
00:52:16.000 We kind of look at it, we reference it.
00:52:17.000 But they don't actually believe it.
00:52:19.000 There's three branches of government.
00:52:20.000 We exist as if there's four, and the fourth is unelected with unchecked amounts of power, and it's unknown who's actually running it.
00:52:26.000 So this collision course that we're on, hilariously, and this is the final point, and we'll do another question here, is like when they, every time, I said this in the show, and not everyone heard it, it's very important.
00:52:36.000 Every time you hear, threat to democracy, substitute it, it's a threat to their oligarchy.
00:52:44.000 That's what they're saying.
00:52:48.000 It's very important.
00:52:49.000 It is a word game and a word trick.
00:52:52.000 These people have never believed in democracy.
00:52:54.000 Now, we are a republic, but they don't believe in representative government.
00:52:58.000 They don't believe in the people.
00:53:00.000 They believe in an expert class that is not you, that knows better than you, that will always be in charge.
00:53:07.000 It might be some of you.
00:53:09.000 Yeah, I mean, if you're a professor or something, right?
00:53:13.000 The sealed Team 3 guy.
00:53:14.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:53:15.000 But you guys can see the issue here.
00:53:18.000 And Trump, this is why they hate Trump so much.
00:53:20.000 Not because he caused it, but because he's exposed it and he's flushed out this 100-year problem to the surface.
00:53:26.000 It was bubbling up for a long time.
00:53:28.000 The type of candidate they want is someone like Obama that looks very popular and does whatever the unelected people want him to do.
00:53:35.000 The candidate they fear is someone that's popular like Trump that does none of the stuff the unelected people want to do.
00:53:40.000 And so we want to talk about what we want to fix.
00:53:43.000 We have to control the White House for 8, 10, 12, 15 years to fix this.
00:53:48.000 This is a multi-decade problem, and it can be fixed.
00:53:53.000 And Matt, talk about this briefly.
00:53:55.000 Trump is putting better people, not just in the cabinet positions, but the 4,000 blue book.
00:54:00.000 Can you talk about the blue book?
00:54:01.000 Yeah, I mean, these are the employees that actually run the government, and it's another key difference between Trump 1 and Trump 2. In Trump 1...
00:54:09.000 At any given time, we had about a third of the cabinet working against the president and his initiatives, and we had to be fighting them and keeping them at bay and trying to box them in.
00:54:18.000 Well, now you have a totally aligned, productive, effective cabinet, and so Charlie and I are out there sourcing people for deputy secretary positions, director positions, administrator positions.
00:54:27.000 I moved to Palm Beach with Matt literally from Election Day to Inauguration Day.
00:54:31.000 I lived in Palm Beach.
00:54:32.000 For this reason.
00:54:33.000 And we're still doing it.
00:54:35.000 I mean, we're still placing people in the government, and there's a few that still need to get weeded out, too.
00:54:40.000 But that is the way to have a vertically integrated movement, where in the presidencies to come in 4 and 8 and 12 years, we are credentialing people who see the world we do.
00:54:53.000 And that is something that under the...
00:54:56.000 Bush rule of conservatism you did not get.
00:55:00.000 You got a neoconservative, neoliberal credentialing system, not a populist nationalist credentialing system, and our ability to generate that now is entirely dependent on the inspiration drawn from Turning Point.
00:55:17.000 You know one of the biggest lies being sold to American people right now is that you're in control of your money, especially when it comes to crypto.
00:55:24.000 But the truth, most of these so-called crypto platforms are just banks in disguise, fully capable of freezing your assets the moment some bureaucrat makes a phone call.
00:55:32.000 That is not what Bitcoin was built for.
00:55:35.000 That's why I use Bitcoin.com.
00:55:37.000 I just did a major transaction on it.
00:55:39.000 They offer a self-custodial wallet, which means you hold the keys.
00:55:43.000 You control your assets.
00:55:44.000 No one can touch your crypto.
00:55:46.000 Not the IRS or not a rogue bank.
00:55:48.000 Not some three-letter agency that thinks it knows better than you do.
00:55:52.000 This is how it was intended by the original creators of Bitcoin, peer-to-peer money, free from centralized control, free from surveillance, and free from arbitrary seizure.
00:56:01.000 So if you're serious about financial sovereignty, go to Bitcoin.com, set up your wallet, take back control, because if you don't hold the keys, you don't own your money.
00:56:08.000 Bitcoin.com.
00:56:10.000 Freedom starts here.
00:56:11.000 We'll get to the next question here.
00:56:14.000 I'm extremely hopeful because people are going to wake up like, wait, what?
00:56:18.000 Didn't I vote for that?
00:56:19.000 And why is someone who didn't vote...
00:56:21.000 Get voted for stopping what I voted for.
00:56:24.000 It's an awareness project that is long overdue.
00:56:26.000 Next question.
00:56:28.000 I'm not calling on hands.
00:56:29.000 Wherever Dylan is, yes.
00:56:31.000 Hey, Matt.
00:56:32.000 Good to see you again.
00:56:34.000 We miss you in Florida.
00:56:36.000 What is next for you?
00:56:39.000 When are we going to see you back in the light of...
00:56:44.000 Moving democracy.
00:56:45.000 Yeah, after being in the state legislature for six years and Congress for eight years, I get this question a lot.
00:56:51.000 When are you going back in?
00:56:53.000 And getting out of government after 14 years and going immediately back in is sort of like being told you're let out of prison and punching a guard on the way out.
00:57:03.000 But I know this about how President Trump operates and really how the government operates.
00:57:09.000 There are line changes, much like in a hockey contest.
00:57:13.000 And there are people who are doing great work now who we're supporting and helping to find other good folks who will, for family reasons or personal reasons or other aspirations, depart government service.
00:57:26.000 And what Charlie and I know is anytime, anywhere, President Trump calls, we'll show up and do any job he asks.
00:57:34.000 Amen.
00:57:35.000 One or two quick ones because it's getting late.
00:57:37.000 Right here, Charlie.
00:57:38.000 I know people have early flights.
00:57:39.000 Yes, sir.
00:57:39.000 Hello, Scott Jackson.
00:57:41.000 I'm wondering, you know, people generally will continue to do the same bad things without consequences.
00:57:48.000 Hillary Clinton is an example, never had any consequences.
00:57:51.000 Shifty shift has yet to suffer any consequences.
00:57:54.000 You got pardoned.
00:57:55.000 I'm wondering, is it built, is it baked into the deep state and there's no way this is going to turn around?
00:58:01.000 Or will there be consequences at some point to some of these people who have done some bad things?
00:58:06.000 Because until...
00:58:07.000 If people suffer some consequences, it'll continue.
00:58:11.000 Yeah, I'll let you take the first hack out of Charlie.
00:58:14.000 Thanks, Matt.
00:58:16.000 We got the best possible people of Cash and Bongino.
00:58:20.000 If they can't get it done, then there is no hope to get it done.
00:58:23.000 I'm going to be honest.
00:58:23.000 So it takes time to write indictments.
00:58:26.000 It takes time to figure stuff out.
00:58:28.000 So you say, Charlie, what are the indictments that you think are the most important?
00:58:32.000 Because there's a lot on the board.
00:58:33.000 The ones that have always aggravated me is when people abuse government power.
00:58:38.000 When they do stuff on the outside and they're laundering money from other countries, okay, that's bad.
00:58:43.000 What they did in Trump 1 with Crossfire Hurricane, from James Comey to Peter Strzok to Lisa Page to Bruce and Nelly Orr to the destruction of the devices from the Mueller report, that whole thing, the fact that that has never been properly adjudicated.
00:58:57.000 I think the attention is rightful on there.
00:58:59.000 The media would have such trouble covering it if Trump went after those people because they miscovered it and they acknowledged they got that story wrong.
00:59:07.000 So it's a win across the board.
00:59:08.000 And I think there's something brutally evil with the fact that they robbed most of Trump's first term on a lie from the pit of hell that he was a Russian agent because of our FBI.
00:59:18.000 And I think those people need to go to federal prison very quickly for what they did.
00:59:22.000 They should, but they won't.
00:59:25.000 I hope so.
00:59:26.000 They won't because there's two problems.
00:59:28.000 No black pills, Matt.
00:59:29.000 There's a statute of limitations problem.
00:59:31.000 Some of those are beyond statutes, though.
00:59:33.000 There's stuff that they did that's beyond statute.
00:59:35.000 And the other is that they did it all in D.C. And, I mean, a Washington, D.C. jury is a very difficult place to make an argument against the people who hold these political views and use the power in the way that they do.
00:59:48.000 And so that realism is imposed upon prosecutorial decisions.
00:59:53.000 But, look, not all consequences have to be criminal.
00:59:55.000 I'm grateful that Kash Patel took those FBI agents who were kneeling after George Floyd's death and sent him to...
01:00:03.000 Fairbanks, Alaska, or Thule, Greenland, or wherever he sent them.
01:00:06.000 And I think that there are consequences being felt that are not always broadcast.
01:00:11.000 There are a few that I would probably like to have broadcast, and I'd probably be doing a little bit of that, but hopefully there's some on the horizon, and it does take a little time.
01:00:21.000 Yeah, and then the other ones, which are non-political, is anybody, and these are so easy, anyone that was involved in keeping the border open and working with the Mexican drug cartels, NGOs, Groups that were taking government money to smuggle human beings across the southern border, we need to start having perp walks of people that kept that border open, because I think that is the definition of high treason against a country, to allow an invasion to happen uninterrupted.
01:00:45.000 One or two more.
01:00:47.000 Very quickly.
01:00:48.000 Sorry, Dave, I'm not...
01:00:50.000 Where are we at?
01:00:51.000 Where are you, Dylan?
01:00:51.000 Taylor?
01:00:54.000 I don't know where Taylor... 0.83
01:00:56.000 Moore?
01:00:57.000 Okay.
01:01:00.000 Actually, if this lasts longer than two questions, it's legally an insurrection.
01:01:05.000 All right.
01:01:06.000 Yes, sir.
01:01:07.000 Good evening, Ali Al-Taha, Matt, Charlie.
01:01:11.000 Pleasure meeting you for the first time.
01:01:14.000 California.
01:01:15.000 Our condolences.
01:01:17.000 Thank you.
01:01:19.000 We've done California so much today, man.
01:01:21.000 I'm sorry.
01:01:22.000 What's the question?
01:01:23.000 The point I'm trying to say here, or the question that I have for you, and it really requires a strategy.
01:01:29.000 Everything that we're seeing here, everything that we're witnessing, California is the line number one.
01:01:36.000 How to defeat California?
01:01:38.000 I think you actually have to win people who are not activated politically now.
01:01:42.000 The math problem in a state where President Trump got 42% of the vote is a very real one.
01:01:48.000 But what I've kind of noticed about this place, spending a little more time here, is that it's hard to get people riled up about politics on our side when things are so wonderful.
01:01:57.000 It's like, oh my god, I hate that the school wants one of the kids to have a litter box, but let's go surfing.
01:02:04.000 It's 74 and sunny.
01:02:05.000 And the other side are in this self-loathing, you know, they didn't get invited to the prom, and they've got all their personal problems, so they can just pour into politics.
01:02:15.000 And I don't know how you break that.
01:02:17.000 I think that you have to have a campaign of joy that brings people together.
01:02:22.000 No, I think you do.
01:02:23.000 I think in a state like this, you've got to have something that's fun or people will not do it because there's a lot of fun things to do in this state.
01:02:31.000 Right, Steve Hilton?
01:02:33.000 Yeah.
01:02:33.000 And the other thing is you have to hope Kamala Harris runs.
01:02:37.000 You have to hope Kamala Harris runs for governor.
01:02:40.000 And then you can just go to the people of California and say, she doesn't even want to be your governor. 1.00
01:02:45.000 You want to be Kamala Harris' safety school? 0.95
01:02:48.000 You want to be Kamala Harris' side piece? 1.00
01:02:50.000 She wanted to be president. 0.74
01:02:51.000 And so if you convince people they're better than being her reject option, then maybe lightning can strike here.
01:03:00.000 All right.
01:03:00.000 We'll do one or two more.
01:03:02.000 Yep.
01:03:02.000 Dave is very eager.
01:03:07.000 Matt, would you give us the one or two favorite ways for people to go into Congress with de minimis net worth and then graduate as multi-multi-millionaires?
01:03:21.000 Yes.
01:03:23.000 And that explains why Matt is not.
01:03:25.000 Well, yeah.
01:03:26.000 No, I believe that...
01:03:30.000 For the same reason you don't let the referee bet on the game, members of Congress should not be allowed to trade individual stocks.
01:03:37.000 And that is one way.
01:03:40.000 Another way is to, if you're a member of Congress, you have a remarkable ability to get jobs for your ne 'er-do-well family members who otherwise can't do anything.
01:03:49.000 The number of members of Congress who have children or spouses who are registered lobbyists is astonishing to me, and it is bipartisan.
01:03:58.000 The former Republican chairman of the Intelligence Committee, Richard Burr's wife... 0.90
01:04:04.000 And son were both lobbyists.
01:04:06.000 Could you imagine how your interests would fare if on the other side the chairman of the Intelligence Committee's wife and son was being paid to advocate against you?
01:04:17.000 And so it is through the money laundering of fake no-show jobs, kind of an old mob tactic, and then the inside information that people get.
01:04:26.000 And I would suggest that you follow Quiver Quantitative on X because it shows the stock trades people make and then the committees they serve on.
01:04:33.000 We're just like, oh, well, this agriculture technology was just required by the EPA, and you sit on the Environment Committee, and you bought the stock that makes that tech, and it just went up 8,000%.
01:04:43.000 It happens so frequently, and the reason it is allowed is because it happens on both sides.
01:04:50.000 And if we really want to achieve Charlie's vision and all of your vision to save the country, we cannot tolerate that on our side either.
01:04:58.000 Amen.
01:04:59.000 Last question.
01:05:00.000 Charlie had to write.
01:05:01.000 Last question of the weekend.
01:05:03.000 Hi, my name's Mandy.
01:05:05.000 I live in California, but this is not a California question.
01:05:08.000 Thank you for pinch hitting tonight.
01:05:11.000 What it sounds like to me is that a constipated Congress is our main problem.
01:05:17.000 The president has term limits.
01:05:20.000 How can we get term limits in Congress?
01:05:23.000 What can we all do to push that notion forward?
01:05:26.000 Yeah, that was one of the things that we sort of demanded from McCarthy's scalp, was a vote on term limits.
01:05:31.000 And we knew we would lose that vote, but we thought it would be revealing to people who cared about it and saw that Republicans were blocking it.
01:05:39.000 Term limits failed in the vote of its first committee of reference, upon which I served.
01:05:44.000 The person who I campaigned, two people who I campaigned very hard for and consider otherwise good members of Congress, killed the bill.
01:05:52.000 Harriet Hageman, who defeated Liz Cheney in Wyoming, I mean, look, they'll say we have term limits. 0.57
01:06:07.000 They'll say there are elections.
01:06:08.000 We all know that that's a cop-out, right?
01:06:13.000 Okay, good.
01:06:14.000 So, Matt, any closing thoughts about Turning Point USA and the path forward?
01:06:19.000 I really appreciate the work you do.
01:06:20.000 We wouldn't have won the election without Turning Point.
01:06:23.000 And look, we've got a lot more of them to win.
01:06:29.000 People had to sit in these chairs before you when every polling presentation and every consultant was saying, we hope we can just get this thing within single digits.
01:06:37.000 We hope we don't lose this vote by 25 or 35 points.
01:06:41.000 And so, you know, the work we get to do is the fun stuff.
01:06:44.000 Now, we've got the wind at our back, the turning point has happened, and we have got to get the cement to harden around a generation that can save this country. 0.87
01:06:53.000 So I appreciate you all being a part of it.
01:06:54.000 Thank you, Matt, and thank you guys for a wonderful weekend.
01:06:57.000 God bless.
01:06:59.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
01:07:01.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.