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00:02:31.000 Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:02:34.000 With us is Congressman Matt Gates.

00:02:36.000 Matt, how are you doing?

00:02:37.000 I'm great, Charlie.

00:02:37.000 Good to be with you.

00:02:38.000 Just got married.

00:02:38.000 Congratulations.

00:02:39.000 You as well.

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00:02:42.000 It's the newlywed show without the women, so it would be a pretty lame newlywed show. 1.00

00:02:47.000 So let's get to the thing that some listeners might be curious about.

00:02:53.000 You've been in the news the last nine months.

00:02:55.000 Floor is yours.

00:02:56.000 What's going on?

00:02:57.000 Well, it's never fun to be the victim of a crime.

00:02:59.000 And I'm glad that at least one of the people who was involved in extorting my family not only has been charged, but has pled guilty.

00:03:06.000 It's my expectation that there are more people that were involved in that attempted extortion.

00:03:12.000 And I want to get to the origins of it.

00:03:14.000 You know, I see a certain pattern recognition whenever the deep state wants to go after someone.

00:03:19.000 The first thing they do is they seed a lie.

00:03:22.000 And then they need that lie retold.

00:03:24.000 And when that lie is retold, it justifies their action that otherwise wouldn't be appropriate.

00:03:29.000 That's what we saw in the Russia hoax. 0.79

00:03:30.000 They seeded this lie that Trump was a Russian agent.

00:03:33.000 And then at the end of the day, they were trying to throw him in jail for obstruction of justice.

00:03:38.000 We see it more recently with the DOJ targeting parents who showed up at school board meetings.

00:03:43.000 First, they went and seeded the lie in the National School Board Association and then used that as a basis to put threat tags on parents.

00:03:50.000 And with me, they seeded some really horrendous lies and then used that to try to take me out of the national conversation.

00:03:57.000 But we learned a lot from President Trump about how you ought to react and respond when you're in the barrel.

00:04:02.000 We've all spent our time there.

00:04:04.000 And I'm proud to be sort of looking ahead to the work that we have to do in the Congress to be worthy of the Republican majority that is, I think, forthcoming.

00:04:14.000 Yeah, and we don't have to spend the whole conversation on this.

00:04:17.000 It wouldn't be worth it for anybody.

00:04:19.000 But I thought it was disgusting how there were leaks to the New York Times to try to destroy your character, absent any actual legal vote.

00:04:29.000 Or even an accusation.

00:04:30.000 I mean, I felt at times like I was living through America's longest sex scandal without an accuser.

00:04:35.000 Well, but it was more than that.

00:04:36.000 It was multiple issues, right?

00:04:38.000 There were other weird things that they were trying to pile on around it.

00:04:44.000 And yeah, it was really trying to kind of destroy a career and destroy an influential voice by rumor, by like well-sourced rumor, right?

00:04:56.000 Like we're the New York Times, we know something you don't know.

00:04:59.000 And sure, sure, it's pretty reprehensible, honestly.

00:05:03.000 And we're familiar with that dynamic.

00:05:05.000 We're familiar with that pattern where the New York Times, the mainstream media sort of act as a conduit to justify very dangerous, very bad people in our government doing bad things to people.

00:05:16.000 I mean, remember, it was the Michael Issakoff piece in Yahoo News that the FBI went and planted.

00:05:21.000 I don't remember.

00:05:22.000 Well, yeah, no, the FBI goes and plants a piece with Michael Isakoff and Yahoo News saying, oh, Trump is a Russian agent.

00:05:29.000 And then they went and used the piece that they had planted to justify their FISA applications.

00:05:36.000 Well, we have constitutional rights for a reason.

00:05:38.000 It's supposed to protect us from tyrannical government.

00:05:42.000 And you're supposed to know what you're accused of before your rights are taken away.

00:05:48.000 But the kind of middle ground that has been developed is, well, we can destroy your credibility, force you into resignation, try to destroy how people view you, you know, outside of any of that.

00:06:01.000 And that's unprecedented.

00:06:03.000 And there's a real echo chamber for it.

00:06:05.000 I mean, when you see the unity of purpose between the corrupt elements of our government, the corrupt elements of big tech, and the corrupt elements of mainstream media, that can really create a whirlwind and a cyclone.

00:06:16.000 And by the way, we're now seeing that play out with this BS January 6th investigation, where you've got the January 6th committee in secret conducting interviews and depositions, selectively leaking Mark Meadows' text messages or other references, and then trying to use that to build a case that wouldn't stand if it was subject to the license.

00:06:38.000 Well, and not even asking questions about Ray Epps or any of these other revolver.

00:06:46.000 We've covered it extensively.

00:06:47.000 We've had him on the show.

00:06:49.000 I was just talking to Marjorie Taylor Greene about this.

00:06:51.000 And I think that part of the conservative impulse is to reject and to oppose.

00:07:00.000 And I get that.

00:07:01.000 But I think there's an opening where he says, hold on.

00:07:03.000 You want to get to the bottom?

00:07:06.000 Okay.

00:07:07.000 Who planted the pipe bombs?

00:07:09.000 I'm just curious.

00:07:11.000 If that's now going to be the new national conversation, then let's play ball.

00:07:17.000 Do you think that they are having to threat construct around January 6th?

00:07:22.000 Because as we look at the landscape in Washington now, Democrats have literally nothing to run off.

00:07:27.000 Yeah, of course.

00:07:27.000 I mean, it's a smokescreen.

00:07:29.000 And I think that increasingly the censures and the obsession with Paul Gosar's anime or Lauren Boebert's jokes are really for they really tell the direction the Democrats are going because they expected that this infrastructure bill was going to create some updraft in their polling, that it would help their frontline.

00:07:49.000 No one cares.

00:07:50.000 And I think it's done the opposite.

00:07:51.000 People are like, wait, you're spending more money on electric vehicle stations?

00:07:55.000 Yeah, I mean, People are worried about the kitchen table economics, and the infrastructure bill doesn't do anything for kitchen table economics.

00:08:03.000 And I think that is the major problem they face.

00:08:06.000 And so, what they're there's a certain like 2004 Bush-Cheney energy to this, if you think about it, right?

00:08:12.000 George Bush thought that he was going to have this No Child Left Behind education bill to run on, and it wasn't popular.

00:08:18.000 And so, in 2004, he and Cheney said, you know, those Democrats are dangerous, and if you vote for them, you know, you won't be safe.

00:08:24.000 Now, I think you see Democrats kind of running that Bush-Cheney playbook saying, Well, we haven't really done very much for you, but the Republicans are all insurrectionists and terrible people, and so continue to give us power.

00:08:36.000 None of that's working at all.

00:08:38.000 And actually, the deeper they dive into this, the more exculpatory evidence they're actually coming across.

00:08:45.000 That's a good point.

00:08:46.000 And so, look, I'm really frustrated that the national conversation has to be hijacked by January 6th committee.

00:08:54.000 But if that's the case, if that's really the powers to be, I think that Darren Beattie's instincts say, okay, you want to play ball around that day?

00:09:02.000 Like, who's Ray Epps?

00:09:04.000 Why hasn't he been arrested?

00:09:06.000 Yeah, I think history will ultimately view this as more of a Fed surrection than an insurrection.

00:09:11.000 And I think that the Darren Beattie evidence is very compelling on that point.

00:09:15.000 And we have seen a pattern yet again of federal assets really accelerating the criminal acuity of events.

00:09:24.000 I just want to be clear is that I didn't like at all what happened that day.

00:09:28.000 I don't like violence.

00:09:29.000 It was a terrible day.

00:09:30.000 Anyone that would smash windows at our Capitol or walk into the Capitol just kind of belligerently, I don't like it, and I want you to be held accountable for that.

00:09:39.000 And hitting police officers is totally unacceptable, right?

00:09:42.000 But those people should be held accountable under the standards for those violations of law.

00:09:45.000 Absolutely.

00:09:46.000 It shouldn't be supercharged.

00:09:48.000 As if it was Timothy McVeigh, right?

00:09:50.000 No, of course.

00:09:51.000 But the point that Darren Beattie made was not excusing any of that violence.

00:09:55.000 In fact, he denounces it in his piece.

00:09:57.000 He says, who is this Ray Epps that might have been encouraging it and inciting it?

00:10:02.000 And someone who might actually have been choreographing the crowd, who knows how to say perfectly placed statements, or how to throw gasoline on a fire, or how to remove a gate of entry where proud boys might be marching towards.

00:10:16.000 Those are really important questions, right?

00:10:19.000 And the reason they're important is because the entire construct, right, of the left's narrative is that Trump incited this thing, which of course is not true.

00:10:31.000 So if incitement is now the most important thing to discover, how about the guy that is like mega alpha on top of the steps multiple times, including the night before, saying, we got to go into the Capitol.

00:10:46.000 We got to go into the Capitol.

00:10:47.000 And the instincts of the crowd are like, no, you're a Fed.

00:10:50.000 And again, this is all allegedly.

00:10:52.000 It could be that Ray Epps is, man, it's almost impossible to believe he's anything but someone that's involved in federal law enforcement.

00:10:59.000 Because he hasn't arrested.

00:11:00.000 Exactly.

00:11:00.000 I mean, that's the point.

00:11:01.000 Yeah, what gives up the game is that Ray Epps was on the list of targets.

00:11:05.000 That's a right-hand left-hand thing.

00:11:07.000 Yeah.

00:11:07.000 And he's not going to be able to do that.

00:11:07.000 Meaning that some low-level FBI agent just didn't know who Ray Epps was, put him on the website.

00:11:14.000 And then someone was like, no, no, no.

00:11:15.000 Like, no.

00:11:17.000 Yep.

00:11:18.000 Well, the question I get around the country from our fellow Americans is, well, who's going to answer these questions for us?

00:11:24.000 Because whether it's January 6th, whether it's kind of the origins of coronavirus, whether it's the criminal activity of the Biden family, which is extensive, Americans want to believe that if they give Republicans power, that we will actually use it to answer these questions.

00:11:41.000 And frankly, many of my voters, many Republicans, feel a little spurned by Republicans who've broken promises in the past.

00:11:51.000 I mean, we promised we were going to repeal Obamacare.

00:11:53.000 I can't recall how many times Lindsey Graham was on Sean Hannity's show saying he was going to be calling Hunter Biden in any moment to answer questions, and that didn't happen.

00:12:02.000 Or just even more basic stuff is we're going to get to the bottom of the Comey stuff.

00:12:06.000 Like, we never got that.

00:12:08.000 But here's why I think.

00:12:09.000 During the era of Paul Ryan and Trey Gowdy, they wouldn't authorize a single subpoena to be sent, not one, during Republican control.

00:12:19.000 Is that right?

00:12:19.000 And Gowdy never sent a subpoena to the center of the center.

00:12:21.000 Not a single subpoena.

00:12:21.000 Even Benghazi?

00:12:22.000 Only polite letters around the Russia hoax.

00:12:25.000 No subpoenas?

00:12:25.000 Is that around the Russia hoax?

00:12:27.000 There was not a single subpoena around any of the Gowdy stuff.

00:12:30.000 I didn't know that.

00:12:31.000 Yeah, and so Paul Ryan had a vision of how Republicans ought to behave in the majority with a Democrat president.

00:12:37.000 It was pass a bunch of bills, get the Democrat president to veto them, and then claim a moral victory.

00:12:43.000 That is not the fight we are in today.

00:12:45.000 I totally agree.

00:12:46.000 So, and I've known Kevin for years.

00:12:47.000 I text with Kevin.

00:12:49.000 He really respects the base.

00:12:51.000 We disagree on some fundamental stuff.

00:12:53.000 But Kevin's saying he's going to do subpoenas.

00:12:56.000 He's used that word.

00:12:57.000 Is that right?

00:12:57.000 Do you believe him?

00:12:58.000 I think that it has to be more of a structural change.

00:13:02.000 Right now, the way to become a committee chairman in the Congress is to have the special interests and lobbyists who seek to influence that committee want you to be the chairman because then they launder the donations through the NRCC and through congressional leadership funds to try to get that person in that place.

00:13:21.000 And so you have a universe of committee chairmen who are essentially captive to the lobby core for that particular committee.

00:13:28.000 I want to flip the script.

00:13:30.000 I would love Kevin McCarthy to say every committee in Congress is going to be an oversight committee.

00:13:35.000 And we're ditching the seniority-based system that hands over power to the well, but that's what we have to do.

00:13:42.000 Honestly, if we just hand the gavels to the silver-haired valets for the special interests, we're not going to answer.

00:13:49.000 Jim Jordan being chairman of a committee is a good thing.

00:13:51.000 I don't know if you're going to do it.

00:13:51.000 Jimmy Jordan does a great job.

00:13:53.000 Yeah, no, Jim's, I think Jim will be chairman of the Judiciary Committee or if he has the authority from on high.

00:14:02.000 And I think Jim is one of our best members when it comes to pursuing oversight.

00:14:06.000 Jim has actually said if he becomes chairman, he's going to create an oversight and investigations subcommittee of the Judiciary Committee, and I intend to chair it.

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00:15:16.000 So it looks like the Republicans are going to take back the House.

00:15:19.000 I see almost no possibility that isn't the case.

00:15:23.000 Is that right?

00:15:24.000 Well, I wouldn't measure the speaker's office for drapes quite yet.

00:15:27.000 You know, the macro generic ballot gives us a lot of tailwind, but you actually have to go win specific campaigns in specific ways.

00:15:36.000 You got to go beat Golden in Maine.

00:15:38.000 You got to beat a Slotkin in Michigan. 0.97

00:15:41.000 And you got to beat Lauria and Spanberger in Virginia.

00:15:44.000 And these folks have run competitive campaigns and they have won them.

00:15:48.000 And so I don't take it for granted.

00:15:50.000 We have to have compelling candidates.

00:15:52.000 And that's why what Turning Point has done with this America conference, this pro-America conference we've been enjoying, is so important because it actually gives our candidates the right tone, the right message, the right infrastructure to be able to go and win.

00:16:08.000 And I think that if we just say, well, the generic ballot looks good for us, we could look past some of these specific tacticals.

00:16:14.000 Yeah, I think what you're talking about is we also have to play to win, not as if we've already won and just play defense and talk about corporate tax cuts, right?

00:16:20.000 Yeah, I mean, Zombie Reagan isn't coming to save us. 0.95

00:16:23.000 And so, you know, just sort of hearkening back to the zombie Reagan issue matrix won't be helpful.

00:16:29.000 Our voters are not going to trust candidates who don't say that they value the people's vote.

00:16:34.000 Yes.

00:16:35.000 And that means pursuing election integrity.

00:16:37.000 And this isn't impossible.

00:16:38.000 We've done this in Florida.

00:16:39.000 We were the laughingstock of the country in Florida.

00:16:42.000 And you get a good leader like Ron DeSantis, you fire the people who can't.

00:16:45.000 Brenda Snipes or whatever her name was. 1.00

00:16:47.000 Oh, yeah.

00:16:47.000 I mean, we got rid of those folks in the first 10 days of the DeSantis administration.

00:16:51.000 And now, lo and behold, we count the ballots as they come in, not hundreds of thousands in a night when certain urban areas seem to be almost waiting to figure out how many ballots they can will into existence.

00:17:05.000 And so I think that election integrity issue is very important in a lot of these primaries that I see playing out across the country.

00:17:12.000 I totally agree.

00:17:13.000 I think if Republicans run on specific promises they can deliver, and they actually deliver them, then I think that they're going to be rewarded.

00:17:22.000 And the biggest promise is answers, meaning that you're not going to be able to get a border wall under this regime.

00:17:30.000 It's not going to happen.

00:17:31.000 But you can say, why is the border wide open and what's the scandal around it?

00:17:35.000 We could prove where the virus came from and America's involvement in it.

00:17:38.000 We can get into Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Moderna's, and Johnson Johnson's connections to the CDC.

00:17:44.000 We can get into the IRS targeting conservatives because I believe that's happening again.

00:17:50.000 I hear a lot of stories.

00:17:52.000 Oh, they're building their 85,000-person army to conserve.

00:17:55.000 Thanks to President Joe Manchin.

00:17:57.000 I don't know if that's going to happen.

00:17:58.000 Well, let's hope.

00:18:00.000 I have a separate theory on that, but go ahead.

00:18:02.000 Yeah.

00:18:03.000 Yeah, I think that we have to take that a step further.

00:18:06.000 If we answer those questions, then what we'll do is we'll connect the pain that Americans are feeling right now with the bad choices that the Biden regime's going to be.

00:18:16.000 It's going to require Kevin McCarthy.

00:18:18.000 And I've given this advice privately.

00:18:20.000 There was a great article on Axios.

00:18:22.000 It was like 75% of the way there.

00:18:24.000 And again, it could be all smoke or it could be good.

00:18:26.000 Well, you got to get 75% of the ways.

00:18:27.000 What I know first.

00:18:28.000 Here's what I know.

00:18:29.000 Kevin McCarthy is not Paul Ryan and he's not John Boehner.

00:18:31.000 That's what I know.

00:18:32.000 And Kevin put in the article from Axios that he's going to get to the bottom of the origins of the virus, Afghanistan, whatever.

00:18:40.000 It needs to be a church and pike committee feel, though. 1.00

00:18:42.000 Meaning, like it needs to be the church and pike committees with the CIA investigations in the 60s and 70s. 0.99

00:18:48.000 And that changed the way people viewed the intelligence agencies.

00:18:51.000 It needs to be something that's not just reports.

00:18:53.000 It needs to result into action.

00:18:55.000 But you know that personnel is policy.

00:18:57.000 We saw this in the Trump administration.

00:18:59.000 You and I were on the first day.

00:19:00.000 That's a good Morton Blackwell one of a lot of those personnel decisions.

00:19:04.000 And if Kevin McCarthy says those things to Axios, he has to back it up by saying we're going to ditch the seniority-based system.

00:19:12.000 And instead of committee chairman, prospective committee chairman coming and pitching, oh, well, this is the bill I want to pass, or this is the interest group I want to please, they have to come and say, you know what, I want to chair ways and means, and here are the first three investigations I'm going to start.

00:19:26.000 I want to chair education and labor, and this is how we're going after the Biden Senate at UPEN.

00:19:30.000 We need to have a deluge of subpoenas happening in every place. 0.99

00:19:34.000 So let me ask you, this is an interest, this is a weird question.

00:19:36.000 But so you visited the D.C. jail and they didn't let you in.

00:19:39.000 Is that right?

00:19:40.000 It's correct.

00:19:40.000 I got half the government wanting to throw me in jail and the other half locking me out.

00:19:45.000 So I guess the question is: do you have a member of Congress have visitation rights to other agencies?

00:19:51.000 Yes.

00:19:51.000 Matter of fact, it really is unprecedented what's going on at the DC jail.

00:19:55.000 When Trump was president, you had Rashida Tlaib and Pramila Jayapal going down to the border and going into almost any detention facility they wanted to.

00:20:03.000 Yeah, but like, so when you get, why don't we just show up, like, not we, but you guys just show up at the IRS office once a month.

00:20:10.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:20:11.000 Like direct action.

00:20:12.000 That's what you're talking about.

00:20:13.000 Like see people walk into their office.

00:20:15.000 I think that's a totally different thing than like, oh, yeah, get back to me in June.

00:20:19.000 Yeah.

00:20:21.000 The Republican majority that I hope we establish would believe more in those direct action steps.

00:20:27.000 I don't think people elect us just to go vote yes or no ones.

00:20:32.000 I think they want us to be representative of their interests.

00:20:35.000 That's why when Adam Schiff was running the sham Ukraine impeachment down in the bunker of the basement, I showed up and 50 people and we blew them out of this.

00:20:44.000 The shift skiff.

00:20:45.000 Yeah, that was over after that.

00:20:46.000 You know, that's why I showed up with Marjorie Taylor Green and Louis Gomeert to the jail, to the Department of Justice.

00:20:50.000 But frankly, we need to grow our allegiance.

00:20:53.000 It's different than when four or five people show up than when 40 or 50 show up.

00:20:56.000 Well, yeah, or it's just like, hey, there's 10 congressmen and they're going to the Department of Justice and you're going to let them in.

00:21:02.000 They're going to sit in a conference room on the fifth floor and they're not going to leave until they get answers about the National School Board Association letter.

00:21:11.000 Now, that right there, I've asked constitutional lawyers, they're like, yeah, I guess you could do that.

00:21:18.000 The question is, the executive branch, they can't lock out Congress from walking into these buildings.

00:21:23.000 Like enough of the committees, enough of the like well-rehearsed, just show up at the Department of Energy and be like, hey, do you guys want to get rid of fossil fuels?

00:21:32.000 Because you sure say that a lot.

00:21:35.000 You have homeowners insurance for a good reason.

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00:22:34.000 What you're talking about, I think, deconstructs the performative nature of the committee program.

00:22:39.000 No, that's exactly what I'm saying, though.

00:22:40.000 This is legit oversight.

00:22:41.000 Right.

00:22:41.000 It's like we're showing up in your conference.

00:22:42.000 It's direct action.

00:22:43.000 We're not leaving.

00:22:44.000 Like, I'm a congressman from Oklahoma, and you got to give me answers by the end of the day.

00:22:51.000 That's a refreshing reverse.

00:22:52.000 If you think about it, like, that's the way oversight would have been done in, like, 1820, right?

00:22:57.000 Like, if you think about it, they would just like show up.

00:22:58.000 Like, yeah, just go to the Department of State and figure it out.

00:23:02.000 But now it's all theater, isn't it, Matt?

00:23:03.000 Well, it is true, and we've talked a lot about this, Charlie, that, you know, most members of Congress spend most of their days raising money.

00:23:11.000 It's terrible.

00:23:12.000 And really raising money for the sake of redistributing that money as like chits in a power.

00:23:17.000 Yeah, so I'm not supportive of this.

00:23:19.000 I'm open-minded to it.

00:23:20.000 I see upsides and downsides.

00:23:21.000 Is it time to publicly finance our elections?

00:23:24.000 I am not a fan of that because I don't believe that taxpayers think that money should be taken from them involuntarily to fund the ambitions of politicians.

00:23:34.000 And I don't think it's necessary.

00:23:36.000 I am regularly one of the top fundraisers in the Congress, and I don't believe I've asked anyone for a check in four years.

00:23:43.000 And it's because in the mail and online, people give $25, $50.

00:23:49.000 I mean, Donald Trump revolutionized small dollar giving on the Republican side.

00:23:54.000 It was really something that didn't exist on the Republican side.

00:23:56.000 So you would cap the limit, maybe?

00:23:58.000 You'd say, like, hey, $1,000 limit, no PAC money.

00:24:02.000 Yeah, I want to publicly shame the people that are.

00:24:04.000 I know, but let's be honest.

00:24:05.000 What from a policy standpoint needs to change, right?

00:24:08.000 Because it's an attitude that has to change.

00:24:11.000 Because you're not going to get the policy change otherwise, Charlie.

00:24:13.000 They're not going to do it.

00:24:14.000 They are so addicted to that PAC and special interest money, and it is gross.

00:24:18.000 Well, let's walk through how it works, right?

00:24:20.000 So you have like Citibank, but Citibank can't give money to a politician, but they can start a PAC, right?

00:24:25.000 Right.

00:24:26.000 And so Citibank can give a bunch of money, then the PAC can give you like $10,000 or whatever, right?

00:24:30.000 Oh, but then also Citibank can hire lobbyists.

00:24:32.000 Yes.

00:24:33.000 And then those lobbyists can write personal checks.

00:24:35.000 And then, that's right.

00:24:36.000 And then they can hire lobbyist firms.

00:24:38.000 Yep.

00:24:39.000 Right.

00:24:39.000 And the lobbyist firms can do fundraisers for you with other firms have their own firm package that their clients could do.

00:24:45.000 Yeah, so that's another flow.

00:24:47.000 And then they can give to the National Republican Congressional Committee, the leadership fund, which is give you credit for it.

00:24:53.000 Hey, I'm going to go to the Republican Party and I'm going to write a $10,000 check.

00:24:57.000 And I want that to be credited to my good friend, you know, Congressman Gates or Congressman whomever.

00:25:02.000 And then they could also go to the super PACs that are created outside of the orbit, right, and write a $5 million check.

00:25:09.000 Is that correct?

00:25:10.000 Yeah, but you know what my approach is?

00:25:12.000 Bring it on.

00:25:13.000 That is the Kinzinger play that's going on right now.

00:25:16.000 Adam Kinzinger is out there from the lobbyists and the special interests trying to be the maestro of that special interest money ecosystem.

00:25:24.000 And my response is, you know what?

00:25:25.000 It's still not more powerful than what I do because there are actually more of us than there are of them.

00:25:30.000 I really think people are waking up to that.

00:25:33.000 I really do.

00:25:33.000 I think it used to be like whoever had more money won.

00:25:35.000 And I'm not sure if that's the case anymore.

00:25:37.000 I really don't.

00:25:39.000 Well, it's about how the money is used, too.

00:25:41.000 We have so many new ways to distribute content.

00:25:43.000 There are fewer choke points, I think, as particularly conservative media becomes more fragmented, less homogenous.

00:25:51.000 And it's an exciting time to bounce ideas off each other, to find inspirational candidates and campaigns.

00:25:57.000 There are a number around the country that I think are really going to flavor the Republican Conference in a meaningful way.

00:26:02.000 Yeah, those are some very serious, like actually substantive changes that we should be talking about.

00:26:08.000 Okay, so I just want to get your kind of thought on this as we close, because we've got to go do our radio show.

00:26:15.000 It's the most depressed, most drug-addicted, most drug-overdosed, least married, most suicidal, least childborn generation in American history.

00:26:25.000 Why?

00:26:27.000 Wow.

00:26:28.000 That's your closing question, Charlie?

00:26:29.000 Yeah, it's really uplifting, right?

00:26:32.000 I do think we are experiencing a national malaise.

00:26:36.000 And it really began a lot during the Obama administration.

00:26:39.000 This notion that we've just sort of kind of arrived as a country and so it can kick back.

00:26:44.000 And we experienced great decline.

00:26:46.000 And in a lot of ways, Trump willed us out of that.

00:26:50.000 Maybe not even with policies, maybe just with just a hard-charging pro-America attitude.

00:26:55.000 And there was, you know, now this, I think, kind of guy doddering around the Oval Office, and it's not a very inspirational thing.

00:27:05.000 And, you know, those drug policies you mentioned, I think in many ways are a consequence of federal policy.

00:27:11.000 I don't think that's entirely societal.

00:27:13.000 I think Purdue Pharma and Big Pharma family.

00:27:18.000 Yeah, got a lot of members of Congress and regulators to do what they wanted.

00:27:22.000 People got addicted to this stuff, you know, legally through prescriptions.

00:27:26.000 Then we had this massive overreaction where people couldn't get prescriptions anymore.

00:27:30.000 It turned folks to street heroin.

00:27:32.000 Now that is being replaced by the fentanyl market because the Sinaloa cartel can cook it easier than they can move it.

00:27:38.000 And we're in a time of decline in a lot of places in America.

00:27:43.000 I still think this is the best country in the world.

00:27:45.000 I still think we can get out of it.

00:27:47.000 And we have seen how fast it can be turned around.

00:27:50.000 There was a lot of this concern about the country during the Obama years.

00:27:53.000 And it's pretty cool how fast we flipped the switch when we got Trump in power.

00:27:57.000 So, I mean, we had to live through Jimmy Carter to get to Ronald Reagan.

00:28:01.000 We had to live through Obama to get to Trump.

00:28:03.000 And we may have to endure a little more of Joe Biden to get to something even better.

00:28:07.000 Matt, how can people follow you or help you?

00:28:10.000 MattGates.com is my website.

00:28:12.000 C-A-E-T-Z. 1.00

00:28:13.000 That's right.

00:28:14.000 I got a podcast called Firebrand.

00:28:16.000 We release an episode every Thursday.

00:28:17.000 And we're not in the Charlie Kirk sphere, but it's a good way for folks to know what's going on behind the scenes in Congress.

00:28:22.000 Matt, thanks so much for joining.

00:28:23.000 That was a lot of fun.

00:28:24.000 Thank you, buddy.

00:28:27.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:28:28.000 Email us your thoughts.

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