The Charlie Kirk Show - What is a Libertarian, a Leftist, a Liberal, and a Conservative? LIVE from GCU

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00:02:45.000 I thought it would be helpful, though, tonight to kind of go through how people identify philosophically and through a worldview.

00:02:52.000 I know a lot of you are Christians.

00:02:53.000 I know this is a Christian school.

00:02:55.000 I know not all of you are Christians.

00:02:56.000 And so we can have a discussion about that.

00:02:58.000 But there's all these labels and terms that are thrown out.

00:03:01.000 And you can feel free to disagree with any, you know, how I'm doing these descriptions, but they're approximately right.

00:03:06.000 It's just basic, it's in the general direction.

00:03:09.000 And it's kind of four different categories.

00:03:10.000 And you hear these words thrown around a lot.

00:03:13.000 Liberal, libertarian, conservative, leftist, totalitarian.

00:03:18.000 What do those words actually mean?

00:03:19.000 Well, I'm going to do the best job I possibly can to fairly talk about that.

00:03:23.000 And then I'll tell you when I'm not being, I guess I'm always being fair when I'm being brutally honest, honestly, about some of those descriptions.

00:03:29.000 And then you can decide, you know, what category you fall into because, you know, I know a lot of you here tonight probably pick and choose from a lot of different political ideologies and philosophies.

00:03:40.000 I prefer the term worldview, honestly.

00:03:42.000 I think that's a better way to look at it.

00:03:44.000 I would encourage all of you always to have a Christian and biblical worldview when you look through all things.

00:03:48.000 We can talk about what that actually means and how that impacts politics.

00:03:51.000 There is kind of a movement to try to get Christians not involved in these things at all.

00:03:55.000 I think that's a huge mistake.

00:03:56.000 I think we as Christians should be more involved than ever in the public square and more involved than ever in the issues of what is right and wrong and good and evil and kind of how we orient our entire society.

00:04:06.000 Because absent an objective moral standard, then who's to say a line is crooked if you don't have a straight line to compare it to, as C.S. Lewis would say.

00:04:15.000 So let's go through the four different categories because they're kind of interchangeably talked about all the time.

00:04:19.000 The first of which is a leftist.

00:04:22.000 I would say that leftist today, it's kind of always a changing, moving target.

00:04:27.000 Very much a totalitarian or someone that would want to impose things on a certain kind of group of people.

00:04:34.000 I'll give you some examples of that.

00:04:35.000 The second is a liberal.

00:04:36.000 There are differences between liberals and leftists.

00:04:40.000 And I'll tell you kind of how I view that.

00:04:42.000 And then libertarians.

00:04:43.000 I'm sure we have some libertarians here tonight.

00:04:45.000 Couple, three.

00:04:47.000 Okay, good.

00:04:48.000 You know, it's very interesting.

00:04:50.000 When we first started Turning Point USA, and I used to ask, hey, how many libertarians are out there?

00:04:55.000 People would always like applaud and kind of show their pocket constitution.

00:04:59.000 Not as many libertarians know.

00:05:01.000 I have a theory as to why.

00:05:02.000 And then, of course, the fourth category of conservatives.

00:05:05.000 So let's go through the four as I see it.

00:05:06.000 Okay, so leftists as today.

00:05:08.000 And by the way, if I were to give this speech 10 years ago, I would describe a leftist a little bit differently than I would today.

00:05:14.000 But leftists, more than anything else, I would say they have a very specific view of the country, view of the world.

00:05:21.000 They're unapologetic about wanting to use political power to effectuate that.

00:05:25.000 In modern America, hyper-focused on race, hyper-focused on trying to redesign society, and also rather indifferent towards, not indifferent, hostile towards American history, the American founding, Western civilization, very outspoken about what they would see as systemic injustices.

00:05:46.000 Now, if I had a leftist in front of me, I don't think they could disagree with what I just said, right?

00:05:49.000 That is basically their song sheet saying America is sexist. 0.98

00:05:53.000 It's racist, it's xenophobic, it's homophobic.

00:05:55.000 We were actually founded in 1619, not 1776.

00:05:58.000 You know, if you're white, you have white privilege, that we need to kind of invert society and try to have reparations and massive amounts of governmental power to try to right the wrongs of things that happened a long time ago.

00:06:10.000 I think that's probably a fair way to say it.

00:06:12.000 Now, how that actually plays itself out, very interesting.

00:06:15.000 So I would say that kind of, let me just be very clear, trying to use that kind of force and that kind of power in that upside down way, I think is sinister and evil and wrong.

00:06:23.000 That's my kind of commentary, but you guys can feel free to disagree.

00:06:26.000 The second of which are liberals.

00:06:28.000 Now, liberals are different than leftists.

00:06:29.000 They have a lot in common, by the way.

00:06:31.000 Liberals will see things similarly, but they'll stop short of how willing they're actually, how willing they are to actually use government power.

00:06:38.000 A great example is like one of the last liberals in America, Alan Dershowitz, right?

00:06:42.000 Alan Dershowitz, he's pro-abortion.

00:06:45.000 He's generally very relaxed on immigration, but he still has an honest, you know, kind of, I would say, moral fiber where he'll go and defend people for their right to speech, to speak.

00:06:54.000 Now, that's a very important distinction between leftists and liberals is the issue of speech.

00:06:59.000 If you think speech can be hostile because you say something offensive, you're a leftist.

00:07:04.000 If you think speech is necessary towards a free society and you say, get over it, because you hear something offensive, you're not a leftist.

00:07:10.000 You might be one of the other three categories.

00:07:12.000 The other three categories have at least a higher than not value on believing that we as human beings are the speaking beings.

00:07:20.000 And from a Christian biblical worldview, we're made in the image of God.

00:07:24.000 God spoke into existence.

00:07:25.000 In the beginning was the word, the word was God, and the word became flesh, that word logos.

00:07:29.000 Rational speech, what makes us different than the beasts of the wild?

00:07:32.000 We're able to reason.

00:07:34.000 We're able to tell the just from the unjust, not just pain from pleasure.

00:07:37.000 Speech is who we are.

00:07:39.000 It's not just some indifferent thing what differentiates us from dogs or animals or the beasts of the wild.

00:07:44.000 Okay, so a leftist, though, believes, and you see this playing out all in society, that if you say something wrong, that if you say something offensive, you could actually be making the world more hostile and dangerous.

00:07:56.000 They would call this hate speech.

00:07:57.000 You see that kind of spreading all across America today.

00:08:00.000 A liberal wouldn't go that far.

00:08:02.000 A true, honest liberal would say, boy, I believe there are systemic injustices.

00:08:06.000 I believe there's issues here, but I'll still kind of rely on freedom of speech and classical liberal values to solve some of the issues.

00:08:12.000 There's very few liberals left in America.

00:08:15.000 If there's any here tonight, I would love to meet you and talk to you.

00:08:18.000 There's very few liberals.

00:08:19.000 There's a lot of leftists and they control almost everything.

00:08:22.000 Okay, the third category, an even more dying breed, in some ways that's a good thing, in other ways it's not a good thing, because it actually used to be a really good holding pattern for young people before they grew up and became conservatives, which are libertarians, which is a libertarian is someone who believes more than anything else, the most hostile thing you could possibly do is use government power and use the government for any purpose whatsoever.

00:08:45.000 Now, if I had to use a word to describe libertarianism, it would be indifferent.

00:08:50.000 Now, that might be a little harsh for some of you that are libertarians watching online, but it's the principle of not using government is more important than what might actually be happening out in society.

00:09:01.000 So, for example, who's to say that we should use government to clean up people using drugs on the side of the street?

00:09:07.000 We just can't make government any bigger because it doesn't matter what the result is, our principle disallows us from interfering with that particular action.

00:09:16.000 Now, I have a lot in common with libertarians on certain issues: speech.

00:09:20.000 Libertarians tend to be like 100% pro-free speech absolutists.

00:09:24.000 Libertarians are also very good on the Second Amendment.

00:09:26.000 Could not agree more, by the way.

00:09:28.000 The Second Amendment protects all the other amendments.

00:09:30.000 We can go into that later if you guys choose.

00:09:32.000 Where I disagree with libertarians a lot on is when there is a moral crisis happening in front of us, if the excuse is, well, we can't do anything because it might violate my principles, I say, wait a second.

00:09:43.000 If children are being medically mutilated for profit, if you have a homelessness crisis and our country's being invaded, I really don't need a lecture about government indifference.

00:09:54.000 Let's solve the problem prudently and appropriately because the good is greater than your principle as a bumper sticker they might wear.

00:10:02.000 It's like, well, no matter what, we can't use the government because the government's the worst thing ever.

00:10:06.000 Now, I'm no fan of expanding government.

00:10:07.000 We're the people that came up with big government socks, obviously.

00:10:10.000 But we don't like the government, not just because it's fashionable not to like the government.

00:10:14.000 We don't like the government because we don't like power being concentrated too much for two reasons, you know, two awful reasons.

00:10:21.000 But we're not going to turn a blind eye to sort of injustices.

00:10:24.000 And that leads us to conservatives.

00:10:25.000 What is a conservative?

00:10:26.000 You hear that term used all the time.

00:10:28.000 Well, a conservative is someone who recognizes the good, the true, and the beautiful, does not like using government that resists it.

00:10:34.000 It's in the mold of the founding fathers and the framers.

00:10:36.000 A conservative is someone who agrees with James Madison in Federalist 51 that men are not angels.

00:10:42.000 We're not perfect.

00:10:43.000 We prefer limited government.

00:10:45.000 We want to yield to people's virtue.

00:10:47.000 However, conservatives are willing, if necessary, to step up and do what is right when you start to see a moral or societal crisis unfolding around you.

00:10:56.000 So let me use one example, right?

00:10:58.000 Right now, there's this massive controversy.

00:11:00.000 You got that smug comedian Jon Stewart kind of gallivanting around this whole issue of should we as society accept, make it acceptable that Phoenix Children's Hospital, you know, wants to go do what they call transgender reassignment surgeries for profit, right?

00:11:17.000 Is that something we as society should say, you know what?

00:11:19.000 Yeah, that's fine.

00:11:20.000 Or should we say, well, I'm timeout?

00:11:22.000 Maybe there's not just unforeseen irreversible damage, but why is it that a major organization is going to make standard millions, if not billions of dollars, preying on children when they're 12 and 13 when they really don't really understand their place in the world?

00:11:35.000 Like maybe we should pause and say kind of waging war on God's design when someone's 12 or 13 is not super smart.

00:11:41.000 So let's go through each category.

00:11:42.000 Okay, how does a leftist view that?

00:11:44.000 Well, not only does a leftist view that the kind of medical mutilation surgery happening at Phoenix Children's Hospital is okay, they say if you disagree with it, we want you kicked off social media.

00:11:56.000 We want to be able to kick you off your banking, and you're a bad person.

00:12:00.000 Not only do they think it's okay, but if you dare have a disagreement in that specific policy, we're going to make your life harder.

00:12:08.000 Okay, you might have that view.

00:12:09.000 A liberal would say, okay, you know, we're okay with 11-year-olds having irreversible, you know, breast removal surgery or taking Lupron or what this incredibly graphic stuff happening, but we don't necessarily want to shut up people that might believe in this.

00:12:22.000 A libertarian would say, well, let the market decide.

00:12:27.000 Come on, like, let's just have, if people want, when they're 11 years old, they'll chop off their parts. 0.99

00:12:32.000 Let's have a clinic on every corner and market forces will decide that.

00:12:36.000 That's what a libertarian would say.

00:12:37.000 We as conservatives would say, this is evil and wrong, and we're not going to put up with the medical mutilation of our children for profit, period.

00:12:45.000 We're not going to put up with it.

00:12:47.000 Now, some people find that to be disagreeable.

00:12:52.000 So if you're not willing to use prudent incremental laws to protect children, then what are you willing to do?

00:13:01.000 And that one specific example gets so misrepresented.

00:13:05.000 And people say, well, you know, Charlie, when they're 12 and 13, you know, they might be more likely to, you know, commit suicide and all this.

00:13:12.000 We can go in that direction if you want.

00:13:13.000 Statistics show that there is a spike in self-esteem and in someone's own self-value and worth after a couple of years, and then it plummets after five to 10 years, of which there's a mass community of regret and all that.

00:13:24.000 But that's not even the main point.

00:13:26.000 The main point is much more important, which is what do we as a society put up with currently?

00:13:31.000 And that's where a conservative can say, well, look, we don't love the fact that there might have to be a new law.

00:13:37.000 But if there are laws at all, the law that I would pass before any others is the ones that protect those that can't protect themselves.

00:13:44.000 Okay, the second issue, the border, right?

00:13:46.000 Our border is completely and totally wide open.

00:13:48.000 We live here in a border state.

00:13:50.000 A leftist would say borders by definition are racist.

00:13:54.000 The idea of a border is wrong.

00:13:56.000 You hear it all the time on television, right?

00:13:58.000 Who has borders?

00:13:58.000 By the way, they live in gated mansions and gated communities, of course, obviously.

00:14:02.000 But they won't just say that we should have open borders.

00:14:05.000 They would say the idea of a border is wrong.

00:14:08.000 How dare borders ever exist?

00:14:10.000 They are nothing more than outgrowths of a white supremacist colonialist experiment, and we should just get rid of borders altogether.

00:14:18.000 Anyone could go anywhere they want at any time for any reason, okay?

00:14:22.000 Now, a liberal would say, hey, like, you know, maybe we can have some border protections, but generally we should allow people to come and go as they please because we just, we don't want to offend people.

00:14:35.000 That's what a liberal would go.

00:14:37.000 A liberal is much more likely to be weak when there's a crisis.

00:14:40.000 It's very important.

00:14:41.000 Different than a leftist.

00:14:42.000 A leftist, they're not weak.

00:14:43.000 They are going full speed ahead.

00:14:45.000 They know what they want and they're going to get it quickly.

00:14:47.000 Now, a libertarian, a true libertarian, now there is some disagreement in the libertarian community, to be very honest, about the issue of immigration, but a legit doctrine libertarian would say, free flow of people, citizenship is nothing more than a card that you carry.

00:15:02.000 It really doesn't matter.

00:15:03.000 Let's just let people come and go as they please.

00:15:06.000 Now, a conservative would say, whoa, hold on a second.

00:15:09.000 A country is a social contract.

00:15:12.000 It's a people.

00:15:12.000 It's a language.

00:15:13.000 It's a tradition.

00:15:13.000 It's a culture.

00:15:15.000 Of course, we can invite people into our nation when we see it appropriate to benefit the mission statement or our own country.

00:15:22.000 But that's a key word, invite.

00:15:25.000 If you are not invited, then you are invading, and we're not going to put up with it.

00:15:28.000 In fact, that's why we would need increased border security and not allow 5 million people to walk into your country every single year.

00:15:35.000 That's how a conservative would respond to that.

00:15:37.000 Now, mind you, that is a popular position with the vast majority of the American people.

00:15:41.000 But if you dare say that, they say, well, you know, you're totally racist and all that, which goes right back to the central theme of you can't have policy disagreements anymore without them calling you the worst things you could possibly hear, which, of course, I honestly don't care.

00:15:51.000 I've been called everything.

00:15:52.000 I would give you great advice for your life.

00:15:54.000 Say what is true and don't care what people call you.

00:15:56.000 You'll be very free and very happy.

00:15:58.000 If you walk around always worrying about being called a racist or whatever nonsensical thing they say, you're not going to be a happy person.

00:16:04.000 You're always going to be walking around being somebody different in private than you are in public.

00:16:09.000 The happiest people are people that get to be the same person in public that they are in private.

00:16:13.000 Those are the happiest people.

00:16:15.000 Okay, the last one, actually two more I'll use as kind of a contrast.

00:16:17.000 Then I'll talk a little bit about Christianity, then we'll do some questions.

00:16:20.000 Okay, critical race theory.

00:16:21.000 What is critical race theory?

00:16:23.000 Well, critical race theory is an outgrowth of critical theory, critical legal theory, 1960s, 1970s.

00:16:27.000 Herbert Marcuse passed on to Michelle Foucault and Jacques Derrida.

00:16:31.000 It's a way of viewing the world.

00:16:32.000 Basically, many of you know what economic Marxism is.

00:16:35.000 Okay, economic Marxism is oppressed versus oppressor type class struggle, bourgeoisie versus the proletariat, business owners versus labor, working class, that kind of struggle.

00:16:46.000 Well, in the 1960s, Herbert Marcuse from the Frankfurt School in Germany came to America and he looked around and he said, boy, our Marxist movement is not doing too well.

00:16:56.000 It's not doing great because the American middle class is actually successfully integrating into a private property-based market system and Marxism is kind of fizzling out.

00:17:05.000 So then he conjectured, what if we come up with a new type of Marxism, not economic Marxism, but race Marxism?

00:17:13.000 And that's actually the name of James Lindsay's book that I encourage you guys to check out.

00:17:16.000 Dr. James Lindsay wrote a whole book called Race Marxism, which is taking that same sort of struggle.

00:17:20.000 And he said, the real struggle is not rich versus poor.

00:17:22.000 It's not the bourgeoisie versus proletariat.

00:17:24.000 It's white versus people of color. 0.99

00:17:27.000 Now, this used to be a fringe theory, introduction to critical race theory, written by Derek Bell in the early 1990s.

00:17:32.000 No one ever took it seriously because we were all raised in a country.

00:17:35.000 And actually, many of you in the audience to a lesser extent, because you probably don't even remember this country as much as, you know, those of us that are 28 know to remember, which is we used to strive to be a colorblind society.

00:17:45.000 Yeah, we've thrown all that out.

00:17:47.000 The vision and the dream of Martin Luther King, gone.

00:17:50.000 Now it is about systemic oppression, white privilege, and doing whatever is necessary to try to fix those problems, including Ibram X. Kendi, who says that we need discrimination today to fix the discrimination of yesterday.

00:18:01.000 And I'll prove exactly what he means by that.

00:18:03.000 So with critical race theory, it's not just bad ideology.

00:18:06.000 It's not just, here's the best way I can describe CRT to you with all that philosophical stuff aside.

00:18:11.000 It's calling everything you don't like racist until you control it.

00:18:18.000 That's what CRT is.

00:18:19.000 Just keep calling it racist until you control it.

00:18:21.000 The banking system is racist.

00:18:23.000 The colleges are racist until all of a sudden you're in control of it and it really is a major power grab.

00:18:27.000 Okay, so if you asked a leftist about race in America, they would say the worst thing, the worst thing you could possibly is a straight white man, right?

00:18:35.000 They'd say that it's the problem with the entire society, the structure, the bones of society comes down to the issues of straight white men. 0.70

00:18:41.000 A liberal would say, look, there's systemic racism, but maybe we make some moderate improvements around the edges and we don't do anything too dramatic.

00:18:50.000 But they would admit with the premise that America is systemically racist.

00:18:54.000 A libertarian, they're all over the place.

00:18:56.000 Privatize it.

00:18:56.000 You know what they would say?

00:18:58.000 That's not even the question.

00:18:59.000 They would say, just privatize.

00:19:00.000 Like, okay, we're not even asking you.

00:19:01.000 Okay, anyway, that's what a libertarian would say, okay?

00:19:04.000 If you get the government out of it, okay, I agree with that.

00:19:07.000 Where a conservative would say, hold on a second.

00:19:12.000 Discrimination is wrong. 0.99

00:19:13.000 I couldn't care less about the color of your skin. 0.99

00:19:15.000 It means nothing to me.

00:19:17.000 I care about your character.

00:19:18.000 I care about your actions.

00:19:20.000 I care about your values.

00:19:21.000 And I want to live in a country where people are not talking about race.

00:19:25.000 In fact, I'm very, very worried we're heading into a country where we are re-tribalizing ourselves and we should not put up with this kind of discrimination.

00:19:34.000 For example, there's black-only dormitories on hundreds of, not hundreds, about 120 schools across the country.

00:19:40.000 Black-only graduation ceremonies, hiring quotas that are saying that we are going to give racial preference and hiring to certain minority ethnic groups.

00:19:48.000 So, basically, to Ibram X. Kendi's, you know, dream of we need discrimination today to fix the discrimination of yesterday.

00:19:56.000 So, finally, kind of viewing America, which is honestly the most important thing, not a huge, not a huge news flash.

00:20:01.000 Flash, we're very, very pro-American at Turning Point USA.

00:20:04.000 We believe it's the greatest nation ever to exist in the history of the world.

00:20:07.000 And what a blessing from the Lord to live here, truly.

00:20:12.000 And so, a leftist would say, Look, America is evil.

00:20:17.000 It was evil at its founding.

00:20:18.000 It's been evil at every single corner and turned.

00:20:20.000 Now, if I had to overgeneralize, a leftist or a totalitarian or a statist or a progressive, however you want to say it, they're very ungrateful people.

00:20:29.000 They are.

00:20:30.000 And that's not an insult, it's a fact.

00:20:32.000 I never hear, let's just say, long speeches of gratitude from the American left.

00:20:39.000 I never hear about we live in the wealthiest, most prosperous nation ever to exist in the history of the world.

00:20:44.000 That is the envy of all people.

00:20:46.000 And praise God, I was born here and not in Vietnam.

00:20:51.000 Rarely do I hear that.

00:20:52.000 Rarely from people like Congresswoman Elon Omar, who's actually the beneficiary of American generosity. 0.94

00:20:58.000 I have to hear from her that we're systemically racist, even though she was accepted from a Kenyan refugee camp from Somalia into America and became a congresswoman in our system. 0.96

00:21:08.000 That's probably a pretty good system.

00:21:10.000 But I have to hear about how America is systemically racist repeatedly.

00:21:13.000 It is rooted in ingratitude.

00:21:14.000 Conservatives generally have gratitude for this unbelievable country we get to live in.

00:21:19.000 Do we have problems?

00:21:20.000 Of course, we do.

00:21:20.000 I could give a whole speech on the problems.

00:21:22.000 But boy, do the benefits outweigh the negatives in this nation.

00:21:25.000 And I would love to hear more about that in the kind of political talk in our country.

00:21:28.000 Anyway, liberals would say, look, that, yeah, America is special, but what made America special, this is the liberal argument, is not our founding.

00:21:36.000 It's not Jefferson, Madison, Jay, Hamilton, Washington.

00:21:40.000 What made America special is our massive movements of progress the more we turned our back on the founders.

00:21:47.000 That would be the modern liberal argument.

00:21:49.000 The modern liberal argument would say, hey, the founders got it wrong, but our ability to correct the founders is actually what makes us great. 0.98

00:21:56.000 This is rubbish.

00:21:57.000 It started with Woodrow Wilson in the 19, you know, 1913, 1914, 1915. 0.98

00:22:02.000 We could talk about slavery and all that stuff, you guys, in the question and answer, but be very clear.

00:22:05.000 Let's be very clear.

00:22:06.000 The founding fathers got the most important thing right, which is they understood that human beings are the speaking beings.

00:22:13.000 They understood that power should not be concentrated.

00:22:15.000 They understood separation of powers, consent to the governed.

00:22:18.000 They understood the structure that is necessary to create a government for people to flourish.

00:22:22.000 And they had the courage and they were animated to act on that.

00:22:25.000 And we are all beneficiaries of that, period.

00:22:28.000 And people love to, you know, go after the founding fathers, mostly on lies, by the way.

00:22:31.000 They say, oh, they were majority slave owners.

00:22:33.000 Not true.

00:22:34.000 In fact, nine out of 13 of the states, by the time the Constitution was ratified, had already eliminated slavery.

00:22:39.000 The first anti-slavery convention was held in 1775 before the signing of the Declaration of Independence, chaired by Benjamin Franklin.

00:22:46.000 There's all sorts of different lies that kind of get into the zeitgeist.

00:22:48.000 We could talk one by one by one.

00:22:50.000 Thomas Jefferson wrote in the first draft of the Declaration of Independence a letter to King George admonishing King George for bringing the sin of the slave trade to America.

00:22:58.000 Thomas Jefferson fought for abolitionist slaves in his home state of Virginia, despite he himself owning slaves.

00:23:03.000 Contradiction, of course, paradox, yes.

00:23:05.000 We're all, by the way, walking contradictions.

00:23:07.000 Called being a sinner. 0.77

00:23:09.000 He was trying to eliminate slavery in his lifetime, as George Washington said.

00:23:11.000 It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when we get rid of the slave trade.

00:23:15.000 It was America and Britain, the first two civilizations ever to get rid of slavery, period.

00:23:22.000 No other civilization even tried to do it, thought to do it, aspired to do it.

00:23:26.000 And news flash for the Virtue Signal leftists out there.

00:23:28.000 There are more slaves on the planet today than there were back at the time of the American founding. 0.82

00:23:34.000 There's more slavery on the southern border, in the Horn of Africa, in the Middle East, and in China.

00:23:39.000 More human beings are owned by human beings today than any other time in human history on the planet today.

00:23:44.000 Okay, anyway, so liberals would say there's, you know, like there's it's it's how we turned our back on the founders that would make America exceptional.

00:23:50.000 A libertarian, again, it's all over the place.

00:23:53.000 I'm just doing my best.

00:23:54.000 I'm trying to be fair, but they basically say, look, what was great about America is how we had limited government, and anything we've done besides limited government has been awful.

00:24:02.000 And let's go back to 1787.

00:24:04.000 That would be, and in some way, they were right about this.

00:24:08.000 But I think they get a lot wrong there.

00:24:10.000 Okay, but conservatives would say, well, hold on a second.

00:24:13.000 Say, America is not an idea.

00:24:17.000 Of course, we have ideas in America, but we are a people.

00:24:19.000 We're a tradition.

00:24:20.000 We're a custom.

00:24:21.000 We're an attitude.

00:24:23.000 We are the great beacon for liberty, for freedom, for opportunity, for a dream for people of any color or background that have ever come here.

00:24:31.000 And yes, America, because of its structure, because of its ideas, because of its heroism, because of its commitment, because of its actions, because of your parents and grandparents, we're the greatest nation ever to exist in the history of the world.

00:24:42.000 And that's, I couldn't imagine, wow.

00:24:46.000 That was great timing, by the way.

00:24:47.000 I have to say.

00:24:49.000 Greatest nation ever to exist in the history of the world.

00:24:51.000 I planned that, by the way.

00:24:54.000 And here's where it comes down to it.

00:24:56.000 Here's the final thing when it comes to it.

00:24:58.000 We as conservatives are not going to put up with or tolerate the intentional destruction of that nation that we are beneficiaries of.

00:25:08.000 We're not going to put up with that.

00:25:13.000 Okay.

00:25:14.000 So let me close kind of on the Christian note and then we'll do some questions for a little bit.

00:25:18.000 Okay, so when you ask the question of what kind of government do we want to form, you have to ask some very, very simple questions.

00:25:24.000 Again, I'm going to make some generalizations and some approximations based on those other four categories, but I'm just going to condense it down to the status, totalitarians, progressives, or leftists, and conservatives.

00:25:34.000 So one of the most important questions is, what is a human being?

00:25:37.000 Now, we as Christians, if you're a Christian, great.

00:25:40.000 If you're not a Christian, that's fine. 1.00

00:25:41.000 I'm not trying to generalize, but it was a Christian school.

00:25:43.000 So hear me out here.

00:25:45.000 We have a very simple biblical answer for this.

00:25:47.000 A human being is made of the image of God with a soul, with a date, with eternity, and you've got two options.

00:25:56.000 Therefore, that being has rights not given to you by government, but by a creator.

00:26:02.000 And government cannot take those rights away.

00:26:04.000 Government didn't give you those rights.

00:26:06.000 Government is there to protect those rights.

00:26:08.000 Now, I will go a step further to say that we as Christians should be very clear that we were created, designed for a purpose.

00:26:16.000 Now, why is that important?

00:26:18.000 Well, I believe if a, you know, if you even entertain the idea that we're an accident of 500 million years of evolution, well, then you just look at like, well, it's just a random combination that allowed us to get here.

00:26:30.000 Now, some people have the Christian-endorsed view of evolution.

00:26:32.000 I'm not here to talk about that stuff.

00:26:32.000 That's fine.

00:26:34.000 There's some phenomenal scholarship written on it.

00:26:36.000 I do encourage you guys to read a book called Darwin's Doubt that talks about the mathematical improbability of Charles Darwin and how he basically shouldn't be taken seriously at all.

00:26:44.000 But that's not the thrust of my speech tonight.

00:26:46.000 I'm not.

00:26:46.000 No, and you should check it out.

00:26:48.000 Dr. Stephen Meyer wrote an entire book debunking Charles Darwin.

00:26:52.000 Some of the great mathematicians of our time have shown the mathematical improbability.

00:26:56.000 It's much more probable to believe in an intelligent designer than to believe in the roll of the dice that could give us consciousness and sight, smell, the ability to reason, all of that.

00:27:04.000 But the point is this: what is a human being?

00:27:06.000 If you believe a human being is specially designed for a purpose, then you treat that human being differently.

00:27:11.000 Then all of a sudden, power is not the most important thing.

00:27:13.000 Human dignity and rights are far more important than that.

00:27:16.000 And then finally, it's another important question, which a leftist or a progressive or a secularist can't answer this, and they can, but when they do, of course, they mess it up, which is, do you believe human beings are naturally good?

00:27:27.000 And a Christian should be able to answer that immediately.

00:27:29.000 Of course not.

00:27:30.000 Didn't take long for us to mess that up.

00:27:32.000 Now, if you believe human beings are naturally good, then you have to explain all the evil in the world.

00:27:37.000 And they explain it away not by human beings, but by saying it's the system that creates evil.

00:27:42.000 And that's a very profound difference.

00:27:44.000 You see, we as Christians believe that we're the problem and that we have to improve our behavior and our actions and hopefully come more in alignment to glorify God.

00:27:54.000 And only Jesus Christ can get us eventually to God.

00:27:57.000 And we didn't earn that.

00:27:58.000 We didn't do anything to deserve that.

00:28:00.000 It's a gift that has been given to us.

00:28:03.000 But a secularist would say, oh, no, no, you're perfect at birth.

00:28:06.000 As Jean-Jacques Rousseau would say, you know, all men are born free, but they spend the rest of their lives in chains.

00:28:11.000 It's a romantic view of human nature, but they say, oh, no, human beings are born perfect, but it's capitalism.

00:28:18.000 It is the patriarchy.

00:28:20.000 It is all these things that create bad behavior.

00:28:22.000 And if we crush those things, then we can live on some form of utopian heaven on earth.

00:28:28.000 The consequences of that are incredibly dangerous.

00:28:30.000 Do you believe people are naturally good or people are naturally not so good?

00:28:33.000 Or you could say even evil.

00:28:34.000 And then, and so the question is: how do the founding fathers view this?

00:28:37.000 And that's the system we all get to live in today.

00:28:39.000 And I really pray that we're able to revitalize that system.

00:28:43.000 The founders wrote very clearly in Federalist 51, men are not angels.

00:28:47.000 They knew men are broken from birth. 0.84

00:28:50.000 And so therefore, if you believe men are up to no good, then you've got to create a system where power is not concentrated.

00:28:57.000 So I ask all the time, I say, what is the worst thing that a human being can do?

00:29:02.000 What is the worst thing a human being can do?

00:29:04.000 And, you know, people would say, they'd say all sorts of graphic, awful things.

00:29:07.000 And I'd say, yeah, that's true. 0.97

00:29:08.000 You could murder, you could lie, you could steal, you could rape, you could pillage, you could plunder, you could do all that stuff. 0.99

00:29:12.000 What's even worse than that? 0.97

00:29:14.000 What if you have a government that does those things?

00:29:16.000 Because it's not just one person doing it, it's institutionalized.

00:29:19.000 It's a Soviet Union.

00:29:21.000 You're not just killing one person, you're killing 100 million people.

00:29:24.000 So the founders knew that only God should have the power to make laws, to enforce laws, and to interpret laws.

00:29:32.000 Isaiah 33, 22, God is the lawgiver, the judge, and the administrator.

00:29:36.000 Paraphrasing.

00:29:37.000 And so they had to break those into three different branches.

00:29:40.000 They knew what Lord Acton said, that absolute power corrupts absolutely.

00:29:44.000 And so that is a moral claim.

00:29:45.000 It's a moral claim that if government gets too big, your freedoms get infringed upon.

00:29:49.000 If you think human beings are naturally good, then why wouldn't you make government big enough to get rid of what you think is evil?

00:29:56.000 But if you think human beings are the problem, well, then you got to do everything you possibly can to make sure human beings don't get too much power and they terrorize their fellow men.

00:30:03.000 It's one of the most important questions you can ask in modern society.

00:30:06.000 Where does that all come down to?

00:30:08.000 Boy, those questions all have biblical answers.

00:30:11.000 That's why I'm always telling pastors and Christians, you better lean in and speak out.

00:30:14.000 Those are not political questions.

00:30:15.000 Those are biblical questions.

00:30:17.000 That's all that's unfolding today on the news.

00:30:19.000 Do you think human beings are naturally good?

00:30:21.000 What is a human being?

00:30:22.000 When does life begin?

00:30:23.000 God created man and woman.

00:30:25.000 These all now are considered to be political issues.

00:30:26.000 No, no, no, they're not.

00:30:28.000 These are things that are answered so clearly in the word of God.

00:30:32.000 So if you're a Christian out there, I just want to encourage you to speak out more boldly and clearly on this.

00:30:36.000 There is no debate or argument.

00:30:37.000 Now, if you can want to come up to the line and tell me the Bible endorses transgenderism, we'll have a lot of fun because I don't know what that's all about. 0.98

00:30:44.000 But you could have very understandable questions on certain topics from the Christian perspective, and we can interface and dialogue on that.

00:30:52.000 The Bible is very clear.

00:30:53.000 It's very clear about how it respects power.

00:30:55.000 First and foremost, the ultimate power is God, not here on earth.

00:30:58.000 Founding fathers knew that.

00:31:00.000 They wrote it so clearly.

00:31:00.000 God is mentioned four times in the Declaration of Independence.

00:31:03.000 They swore everything under divine providence.

00:31:06.000 When they wrote in the Declaration of Independence, by the way, was the outgrowth, was the last chapter in a Christian revival in America, something we don't teach our kids well enough in our nation, was the black robe regiment of Jonathan Edwards and John Whitfield, George Whitfield, I'm sorry, and Jonathan Mayhew, speaking the word of God over 35,000 outdoor sermons that were given on the Eastern seaboard.

00:31:27.000 All of that preaching, all of that teaching then resulted in a population that was finally ready for liberty.

00:31:34.000 And liberty is not man's idea.

00:31:35.000 It's God's idea.

00:31:36.000 And liberty is not doing whatever you want to do whenever you want to do it.

00:31:39.000 Liberty is not going to be able to do heroin on the side of the street.

00:31:41.000 That's licentiousness.

00:31:43.000 Big difference.

00:31:44.000 Liberty is being able to have the ability to do the right thing.

00:31:48.000 It's a big difference.

00:31:50.000 Liberty is pursuing virtue.

00:31:51.000 And you might say, well, how do you know what is virtuous?

00:31:54.000 This is where we as Christians have the answer very clearly.

00:31:56.000 It all comes back to the irrefutable standard.

00:31:59.000 Now, this speech applies to people that are not Christians as well.

00:32:01.000 But being here at a Christian university, I just want to implore you, I want to encourage you to lean in on these topics and this discussion.

00:32:08.000 If you do not have truth in your society, all that comes out of that is power.

00:32:13.000 That's it.

00:32:14.000 And that's exactly what the postmodernist, the deconstructionist, the leftists, the talatrans, whatever category you want to use, all they have is power because they don't believe that there is truth. 0.99

00:32:21.000 They believe it's my truth, bunch of garbage.

00:32:23.000 They believe that it is my personal experience instead of believing that there is a truth and a way and a specific way to be able to organize society around that. 0.97

00:32:33.000 So in that closing, we as Christians, I think, are going to be called to do more.

00:32:35.000 Jeremiah 29:7, demand the welfare of the nation that you are in because your welfare is tied to your nation's welfare.

00:32:41.000 Zechariah 8:16 through 17, care about the justice and the well-being of the business and the city of the city within your gates, basically.

00:32:49.000 The city within your gates, what is happening in your community.

00:32:52.000 I'm paraphrasing that scripture in particular.

00:32:54.000 Daniel fasted and prayed for his nation.

00:32:55.000 Esther, Mordecai, Nehemiah, Jeremiah, all cared about what secular government was doing for God's chosen purpose.

00:33:01.000 Apathy and cynicism are not acceptable for Christians in modern America today.

00:33:05.000 And I will close on that.

00:33:06.000 Let's do some questions.

00:33:07.000 Thank you guys.

00:33:13.000 You guys can form a line here.

00:33:15.000 And if you disagree, you're welcome to go to the front.

00:33:18.000 And by the way, if someone is, it's obviously a majority conservative audience here.

00:33:24.000 This is important.

00:33:25.000 The media never reports on this, by the way.

00:33:28.000 No, this is important.

00:33:29.000 If a liberal comes up, give them the opportunity to answer, ask their question.

00:33:33.000 No ridicule or mockery.

00:33:35.000 We're going to give them the respect that generally they never give me or us, okay?

00:33:39.000 I said generally.

00:33:40.000 I said generally, okay?

00:33:43.000 But no, don't interrupt them or heckle them.

00:33:46.000 It takes courage to come up and ask a question in a room of people that you don't agree with.

00:33:50.000 Okay, let's do a question.

00:33:51.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:33:52.000 Thank you for your time here tonight.

00:33:55.000 I just wanted to congratulate you as being a father.

00:33:59.000 And I wanted to.

00:34:00.000 Thank you.

00:34:04.000 And I wanted to ask, how has your life been different?

00:34:07.000 And have you faced any challenges?

00:34:10.000 Wow.

00:34:11.000 Well, look, here's the best way I can explain it.

00:34:13.000 You know, kind of like the Old Testament and the New Testament, it's that big of a deal.

00:34:17.000 It's like everything changes.

00:34:18.000 And for other parents out there, you know, someone said something to me.

00:34:22.000 They said, you know, you finally share a title with God.

00:34:24.000 I said, what's that?

00:34:25.000 You're both fathers.

00:34:26.000 I said, that's really very deep.

00:34:27.000 You think about that.

00:34:29.000 And it's true. 0.56

00:34:30.000 Yeah, it still is changing me.

00:34:33.000 It's not like a thing that gets changed immediately.

00:34:36.000 But I'll be honest, part of it, boy, does it animate me to want to fight harder?

00:34:41.000 Because, you know, I really, look, I'm going to generalize this.

00:34:47.000 There's plenty of good people without children, and there's plenty of bad people without children.

00:34:52.000 Okay, so that's fine.

00:34:53.000 But I generally believe that if more people in our leadership class in America had children earlier, America would be a much freer country.

00:35:01.000 I really believe that.

00:35:04.000 I could go into this in great detail, but it anchors you.

00:35:08.000 It's very real.

00:35:09.000 You know, we live in kind of this very disturbing moment where kind of fictional narratives reign over kind of reality.

00:35:18.000 Having a child is very real.

00:35:21.000 You don't get to live in this kind of postmodern argument of, well, I define my own existence and my own gender.

00:35:29.000 It's like, no, actually, it's very, very real.

00:35:32.000 And it rejects all this kind of nonsensical abstractions and it anchors you in a way that is very, very profound.

00:35:38.000 So I encourage, and I say this with no sarcasm, I encourage young people to get married very early and stay very loyally married to that person and have lots of children, to reject hookup culture and all that nonsense that is pervading our society.

00:35:55.000 And so, yeah, I could go further.

00:35:59.000 And just for men, you know, women email us all the time.

00:36:03.000 They say they can't find husbands and all that.

00:36:05.000 We get that all the time.

00:36:06.000 So I'll just give some advice.

00:36:07.000 No, I'll give some advice to men about the two things that they say are missing with young men in America.

00:36:11.000 I know you didn't ask about this, but I don't care.

00:36:14.000 So self-control is number one. 0.86

00:36:18.000 Young ladies would probably agree. 0.98

00:36:19.000 And then number two, they're not responsible for anything.

00:36:22.000 Responsibility is considered to be the most attractive quality in men because it's so lacking in America today.

00:36:28.000 So if you're looking for a wife or vice versa, I'll let my wife give the young ladies' advice. 0.96

00:36:33.000 I'm not even going to try to go there.

00:36:34.000 But young men, we have a men's summit for this exact reason now at Turning Point USA.

00:36:38.000 So God bless you.

00:36:39.000 Thank you.

00:36:46.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:36:46.000 I just want to say thank you for being here tonight.

00:36:49.000 And then my question is: there have been some pro-abortion posters put up around campus by Planned Parenthood advertising door-knocking jobs.

00:36:55.000 As a student body who is mostly conservative, how does Planned Parenthood get away with this?

00:37:00.000 And how can we educate our peers?

00:37:02.000 Yeah, how do they get away with it?

00:37:05.000 Yeah, I mean, guess, yeah, you guys are a Christian school.

00:37:08.000 I mean, I would be, so let's pretend I was in charge of this school.

00:37:10.000 I wouldn't allow Planned Parenthood to put up posters at GCU.

00:37:13.000 I just wouldn't allow it.

00:37:14.000 Now, you say, okay, Charlie, you know, aren't you for freedom of speech and all of that?

00:37:18.000 Yeah, look, you're a Christian school.

00:37:19.000 Is it in alignment with your values?

00:37:21.000 No.

00:37:22.000 And also, I don't think advertising for the butchery of children is necessarily the speech that I'm going to go to the wall for.

00:37:30.000 But if you have that opinion, we could dialogue about it.

00:37:32.000 Life begins at conception.

00:37:34.000 It's very clear.

00:37:34.000 It's not your DNA.

00:37:36.000 It's not your choice. 0.99

00:37:37.000 Abortion is kind of in vogue right now.

00:37:39.000 It's kind of something that everyone wants to talk about.

00:37:42.000 I've said for quite a while that the great, let's just say, the pro-life community has to continue to step up to the bat to make it easier for people to be able to have children in this country, including through some public policy measures.

00:37:55.000 But I just, I always cringe, and it really makes me sad when I have to hear the term unwanted pregnancy.

00:38:01.000 I just, what a, that's a morally troubling statement, isn't it?

00:38:06.000 Unwanted?

00:38:07.000 Unwanted by whom?

00:38:09.000 By the creator?

00:38:10.000 Oh, no, no.

00:38:11.000 Creator already loves that being and wants that being to thrive and survive and flourish and breathe and be able to be out in the world.

00:38:17.000 Unwanted by the mother in that particular moment, maybe, is, and I'm not going to get deep into why that might be the matter.

00:38:24.000 It might be a lack of explanation of what that being actually is.

00:38:27.000 But look, we need to better educate about this.

00:38:29.000 I'll be very honest.

00:38:30.000 It's a slaughter in our country.

00:38:32.000 It's a million babies every single year.

00:38:35.000 It happens.

00:38:35.000 There's 3,000 abortions a day in our country.

00:38:38.000 And a vast, vast majority of them are abortions of convenience and choice.

00:38:41.000 They're not because of rape, incest, or even life of the mother, which is incredibly, incredibly, incredibly rare.

00:38:46.000 But let's pretend we just, you know, said, okay, you can have abortion for those three categories.

00:38:50.000 Well, then you're talking about 99.2% of all abortions that are part of that 1 million category that are abortions at convenience.

00:38:57.000 So look, this is a question of a morals of a society.

00:39:00.000 Why is abortion uncomfortable for some people to talk about?

00:39:03.000 Well, it's because it happens in closed rooms and it doesn't really feel personal because it's private.

00:39:10.000 Well, we know it's happening.

00:39:11.000 Just because you don't see it every single day, it should still really bother you.

00:39:15.000 And boy, if we as Christians put up with it, I don't know what to tell you.

00:39:18.000 It's very, very clear in the scriptures when life begins.

00:39:21.000 And so yeah, look, I could go on about that.

00:39:24.000 But Planned Parenthood has done more destruction for these communities than almost any other organization.

00:39:30.000 We should defund Planned Parenthood, by the way.

00:39:32.000 They shouldn't receive a taxpayer dollar.

00:39:34.000 Thank you.

00:39:35.000 Appreciate it.

00:39:38.000 That's the outfit I was talking about, by the way.

00:39:40.000 Look at that.

00:39:44.000 Thank you.

00:39:46.000 Well, thank you so much for coming.

00:39:48.000 I got to say, I didn't know what to really think you beforehand, before this speech.

00:39:53.000 I can say I'm now definitely a fan.

00:39:56.000 Thank you.

00:39:56.000 My sister got me interested in your speeches and in your stuff like that.

00:40:01.000 She couldn't make it tonight.

00:40:02.000 She's in California right now.

00:40:04.000 She's serving our country in the Air Force.

00:40:06.000 And yeah, definitely.

00:40:11.000 And she would love for you to sign this hat.

00:40:13.000 But onto my question.

00:40:14.000 Sorry.

00:40:15.000 Just wanted to plug that in there.

00:40:18.000 So I loved what you said about the Founding Fathers tonight.

00:40:20.000 Obviously, that's why I wear this attire.

00:40:25.000 So my question is: if the Founding Fathers could somehow see America in 2022, what is one thing you think they'd be proud of that we've overcome or that we've maintained?

00:40:34.000 And what is one thing you think they'd be disappointed in?

00:40:37.000 It's a very, very profound question, and I'd be happy to sign that.

00:40:40.000 Disappointed in, almost all of it.

00:40:43.000 So, but yeah, look, I think what they would be most surprised, let me start with this.

00:40:48.000 The thing that, and here we are kind of playing Monday morning quarterback of the great designers of the longest-lasting constitutional republic and freest society in the history of the world.

00:40:57.000 So, you know, just forbid me from doing this, but I think they would, I think it's very well agreed upon is the creation of this fourth branch of government, is this unelected administrative state that came up in the Woodrow Wilson presidency of the FBI, the CIA, the Department of Justice, the EPA, this unaccountable, unelected fourth branch of government that has unlimited amounts of power, that kind of operates in total violation to the promises, the moral claims of the U.S. Constitution, the moral claims of consent of the government.

00:41:25.000 Where do they get their consent from?

00:41:27.000 They just operate on their own.

00:41:28.000 They always exist.

00:41:29.000 The machinery grinds on.

00:41:31.000 Separation of powers, not really, because they're almost above the three branches of government.

00:41:35.000 The fourth branch of government spies on presidents, spies on members of Congress, right?

00:41:39.000 I mean, it leaks documents of IRS, you know, documents of sitting president.

00:41:45.000 They're almost more powerful.

00:41:46.000 They're almost the sovereign.

00:41:47.000 And then finally, the thing that really troubles me the most about the fourth branch of government is another one of the claims that Madison and Hamilton and Jay made in the Federalist Papers: checks and balances.

00:41:57.000 What is the check right now against this fourth branch of government?

00:42:01.000 Almost nothing.

00:42:02.000 It's as if now the real power is in the inner workings of these bureaucracies.

00:42:07.000 So I think the founding fathers would just be flabbergasted about how we allowed that to happen and then how we were able to, like, why didn't we do something about that earlier?

00:42:16.000 100 years.

00:42:17.000 Or maybe why they didn't put more safeguards in place for there.

00:42:20.000 But yeah, let me say the one thing I think they would be really thrilled about or excited about.

00:42:24.000 I think they would be shocked at how long the Constitution stood.

00:42:29.000 And not because they didn't value their work.

00:42:32.000 It's just never before has a small R Republican form of government stood so long.

00:42:37.000 They wrote about this in the Federalist Papers, and Thomas Jefferson basically wrote this in so many ways.

00:42:42.000 He's totally misquoted and misunderstood, where people say, oh, yeah, he wanted the revolution every couple years.

00:42:46.000 No, he didn't want that.

00:42:47.000 What he was saying is this form of government has a tendency not to last.

00:42:52.000 The fact we still have the same United States Constitution that we had in 1787 and 1791 at both ratification of the Bill of Rights and the usual Constitution is unbelievable.

00:43:01.000 That should make everyone pause and say why.

00:43:04.000 It's because the Constitution was not written for the times.

00:43:07.000 It was written to stand the test of time.

00:43:09.000 Because it makes very clear arguments on morality and human behavior.

00:43:17.000 This is something that differentiates me from the progressives.

00:43:21.000 John Dewey, who's kind of the father of public education in America, said it's a new age.

00:43:26.000 We have machines and airplanes and we have gas-powered engines.

00:43:30.000 Humanity is entering a new era.

00:43:33.000 Whereas a conservative say, whoa, whoa, whoa, just because you have Twitter and you can fly across the country doesn't mean human beings radically improve.

00:43:41.000 We're just as selfish and greedy and broken as we were, regardless of the technology we have.

00:43:46.000 In fact, the technology only amplifies how broken we actually are.

00:43:50.000 It only makes evil easier.

00:43:53.000 And so I think without belaboring the point, the founders, I think, would actually be stunned at how much we have screwed up and how much of a chance we still have to revive it.

00:44:06.000 And so I think that should give you a lot of hope.

00:44:08.000 It really does.

00:44:09.000 I by no means think America is past the point of no return.

00:44:13.000 And honestly, a lot of it is thanks to the founders.

00:44:15.000 I mean, they gave us so many opportunities, safeguards.

00:44:18.000 And by the way, the left always wants to get rid of those safeguards.

00:44:21.000 Abolish the Electoral College. 1.00

00:44:23.000 Abolish the fact that Nebraska has senators.

00:44:25.000 Abolish the filibuster.

00:44:26.000 Like, whoa.

00:44:27.000 No, that's really a thing, right?

00:44:28.000 They want to combine all the great plain states into one big state because they say it should be done on population.

00:44:33.000 Of course, not understanding that the states created the federal government.

00:44:36.000 The federal government didn't create the states.

00:44:37.000 Big difference.

00:44:38.000 That local is better over the central or the supreme.

00:44:41.000 Okay.

00:44:42.000 So, but I just want to just reinforce: I mean, I love your fascination with the American founders.

00:44:47.000 I wish that I pray for a revival in our nation where people really appreciate how special they were.

00:44:54.000 55 out of 56 of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were Bible-believing church-attending Christians.

00:44:59.000 John Adams spoke fluent Hebrew.

00:45:01.000 This is how you know how based the founding fathers were, okay?

00:45:05.000 They put Leviticus on the liberty bell, okay?

00:45:08.000 Leviticus, not the book of John, not Psalms, Leviticus, okay?

00:45:13.000 Let liberty reign throughout the land of which you are in.

00:45:16.000 So I think a constitutional reset is sorely needed in our country.

00:45:20.000 God bless you, man.

00:45:20.000 Thank you.

00:45:33.000 All right.

00:45:37.000 Hey, Charlie.

00:45:39.000 I asked the same question back like two years ago in Bismarck went to North Dakota.

00:45:43.000 And I think my aunt would kind of kill me if I didn't say hi for Amber Vibetto.

00:45:49.000 And it was.

00:45:51.000 I'm trying to remember the last time I was in Bismarck, but okay.

00:45:54.000 Not a lot of people go there.

00:45:56.000 You know what?

00:45:57.000 I do remember.

00:45:57.000 Okay, yeah, got it.

00:46:00.000 It's how will abortion affect our youth, or not our youth, but my generation.

00:46:06.000 And now that we kind of have all this stuff going on in the Supreme Court with Roe v. Wade, how would you answer that question now as to where, like, two years ago?

00:46:16.000 Yeah, well, praise God first and foremost that Roe v. Wade was overturned.

00:46:19.000 It was an awful judicial decision.

00:46:21.000 Awful.

00:46:23.000 And if a liberal, not a leftist, is being honest, they would even agree it was awful judicial interpretation.

00:46:34.000 It was a total drive-by shooting of the U.S. Constitution.

00:46:36.000 It was.

00:46:37.000 And it was allowed to stay for far too long.

00:46:39.000 And actually, if the left was being honest, of which they're not about this topic, the decision that was administered down was actually agnostic on the issue of abortion itself.

00:46:50.000 The court did not rule on whether abortion was right or wrong.

00:46:53.000 It simply said it should be left to the states.

00:46:56.000 Now, I wish they would have ruled on it being right or wrong, obviously, because it's very clear, but that's besides the point.

00:47:02.000 Okay, so how does abortion impact your generation?

00:47:05.000 Well, it already is.

00:47:06.000 I mean, you know, imagine if you had a million more people in your generation, you know, the younger generation every single year.

00:47:11.000 Maybe you wouldn't need this relaxed immigration policies and all these other things.

00:47:17.000 You know, I you look at certain communities, especially the black community in this country, the black birth rate has been going down significantly the last 40 years, where in certain communities the abortion rate is actually greater than the birth rate in certain communities.

00:47:30.000 So it definitely impacts that.

00:47:31.000 But let me kind of talk more morally, if you will.

00:47:33.000 By the way, the U.S. birth rate has fallen 20% by 2007.

00:47:38.000 It's remarkable.

00:47:39.000 Let me just talk more morally, though.

00:47:40.000 If a country or a nation, a civilization, or a people put up with a million souls basically being terminated every single year, then what else are we going to put up with?

00:47:50.000 The answer is quite a lot.

00:47:52.000 And I'm not, you shouldn't be shocked.

00:47:54.000 The very same nation that puts up with that puts up with the medical mutilation of children at alleged children's hospitals.

00:48:02.000 It's a very simple moral question, which again, which is why I encourage Christians to speak out about this.

00:48:07.000 What do you do when you're strong?

00:48:10.000 Do you use that strength to protect the weak, or do you try to get more strength yourself and exploit people that aren't as strong as you?

00:48:16.000 It's a very simple moral question.

00:48:19.000 And biblical Christianity tells us to protect those that can't protect themselves.

00:48:22.000 But if you don't believe in that thing, you don't believe in an absolute standard or objective in that way, why not use your strength to crush the weak?

00:48:30.000 Most countries do that, by the way.

00:48:32.000 Most countries have done that.

00:48:33.000 It's all about power, right?

00:48:34.000 And by the way, if you don't believe that every being is an image-bearer, then it's even easier to justify that.

00:48:40.000 As Joseph Stalin would say, one death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic.

00:48:44.000 And he was good at racking up statistics.

00:48:47.000 Anywhere between 40 to 50 million people intentionally murdered under his regime, Mao Zedong, anyway, between 30 to 40 million people.

00:48:53.000 And by the way, both Stalin and Mao were known for Mao, more than Stalin, were known for their zealous anti-religiosity. 0.63

00:49:03.000 I mean, you cannot have a widespread Marxist regime and a vibrant church that is preaching the word of God.

00:49:10.000 They cannot exist.

00:49:11.000 So one has to go or the other.

00:49:12.000 You have to take over the church.

00:49:14.000 You have to dilute the preaching.

00:49:15.000 One has to happen or the other.

00:49:16.000 And so that's exactly why, I mean, Mao all but basically outlawed religious expression.

00:49:20.000 It wasn't Christianity. 0.97

00:49:22.000 It was just basically Taoist Confucian teaching that he utilized for his own purpose and also basically absorbed it.

00:49:28.000 So how does it impact our country?

00:49:29.000 It impacts our country in every way possible.

00:49:32.000 But look, it's just a matter of what is right and what is real and what is true.

00:49:38.000 And I know for me personally, I'm going to do everything I possibly can to protect those that can't protect themselves.

00:49:43.000 Thank you.

00:49:50.000 Hello, Charlie.

00:49:51.000 My question is: what are your thoughts on a complete immigration moratorium?

00:49:55.000 Yeah, I mean, right now, I think it's a great idea, especially with where unemployment is right now.

00:50:00.000 Look, I think immigration should always be modified, and let's just say, not modified, immigration policy should be adjusted towards the current circumstances that we're living through, right?

00:50:10.000 So here's my main argument: that U.S. governmental policy should always serve the citizen first.

00:50:16.000 Always serve the citizen.

00:50:18.000 All of you right now are entering into a job market.

00:50:20.000 You're entering into a set of circumstances where you are probably going to have student loan debt, where you probably inflation is absolutely crushing younger people right now.

00:50:31.000 I believe there is a moral social contract argument to make that American college graduates should be given preferences and hirings over foreign students. 0.86

00:50:41.000 And that is a moral question, right?

00:50:42.000 So then people say, well, Charlie, how is that fair?

00:50:45.000 Of course it's fair.

00:50:46.000 It's fair in the question of whose government is it?

00:50:48.000 The government of the American people should first and foremost serve the American people.

00:50:52.000 Once you're able to have excesses beyond your limitations, then we could talk about how generous we want to be.

00:50:57.000 But we right now are a nation $31 trillion in debt with the most depressed, suicidal, alcohol-addicted, psychiatric, drug-added generation in history.

00:51:05.000 That generation needs a lot of help right now, you guys.

00:51:08.000 And I don't mean that in a negative way or a condescending way.

00:51:10.000 And so immigration policy should be adjusted in that way.

00:51:13.000 Not to mention, we had 5 million people legally enter into our country this last year.

00:51:18.000 Let's press the pause.

00:51:19.000 Let's allow that assimilation to happen, if at all, because it certainly isn't happening quick enough. 0.99

00:51:25.000 So I fully support it.

00:51:26.000 I think in the future that could be adjusted or changed, but this is what prudence is all about, which is what makes a conservative different than an ideological person.

00:51:34.000 You look around, you see what's happening, and you adjust policy based on the time, the circumstances, and your desired goal and objective.

00:51:40.000 Thank you.

00:51:41.000 Appreciate it.

00:51:47.000 Hi there, Charlie.

00:51:48.000 Nice to meet you.

00:51:50.000 Process, I grew up, never really had religion in my life, but somehow was, I always remained conservative.

00:51:58.000 The real question being, in this environment, trying to get into politics, being very open-minded, and actually enjoying learning and growing with my knowledge of the Bible and Christianity.

00:52:10.000 As an outsider, I feel like in conservatism and I want to get into politics.

00:52:15.000 How am I supposed to meld the two while not truly being a believer?

00:52:19.000 Well, first of all, thank you for being here.

00:52:20.000 It's awesome.

00:52:22.000 And yeah, of course there's a place for people that aren't believers in the conservative movement.

00:52:26.000 It's about building a coalition for liberty and things that we agree on.

00:52:26.000 Of course there is.

00:52:31.000 And I will always say though that having biblical Christianity an objective standard is of which the entire, there we go again, the entire foundation that the movement is built upon, I would venture a guess that if you really get into the weeds of our movement over a period of time, I think you will become a believer if you remain open-minded, especially if you read the word and you pray and you ask God to come into your life because reading of the word never turns up void ever.

00:53:00.000 So, but look, I get this question a lot.

00:53:02.000 I want to be very, very clear that as long as you believe in liberty, you believe in what I talked about here, and you believe in the natural law, which I would probably guess that you probably believe in the natural law.

00:53:12.000 I believe the natural law was written by somebody, right?

00:53:14.000 Some people, just not trying to suppose, but someone with a secular view would say the natural law was just kind of, you know, it just sprung into, or we don't know.

00:53:23.000 I think that's fair.

00:53:23.000 Let's just put it.

00:53:24.000 Then welcome aboard, right?

00:53:27.000 Because we're here as a way to build a civil government and a free society.

00:53:33.000 We believe that those origins and those roots unquestionably come from biblical Christianity.

00:53:37.000 But if you want to lock arms with me to make sure that we no longer have a million abortions every single year, or you want to lock arms with me to make sure that kids are not medically mutilated for profit, then I'll be more willing to march in the streets with you alongside most past more so than most pastors in this country because most pastors are totally silent on those issues.

00:53:54.000 And so I'm not here to say that you have your metaphysics perfectly configured, right?

00:53:59.000 I wouldn't say that.

00:54:00.000 I believe there's only one way, one truth, and one, you know, obviously path.

00:54:04.000 But I will say, though, that I'm a behaviorist when it comes to some of these things.

00:54:09.000 What do you do?

00:54:10.000 And I know some atheists that don't believe a thing of the Christian worldview that I have, but they are more outspoken about doing good and confronting evil than a lot of Christians that I know.

00:54:22.000 And I say, welcome aboard.

00:54:24.000 Thank you.

00:54:24.000 I truly do.

00:54:31.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:54:32.000 Thanks for taking the time to come out and speak tonight.

00:54:34.000 I really enjoyed listening to you.

00:54:37.000 My question is: for 2024, would you rather have the nominee be Ron DeSantis or Donald Trump and why?

00:54:44.000 I get this question all the time.

00:54:46.000 Okay, so first I have to say, you know, I will speak on behalf of myself personally for Turning Point Action, Turning Point USA, which focuses obviously on everything we talked about tonight, worldview principles, all that stuff.

00:54:57.000 So kind of with that proper disclaimer, I've answered this question multiple times before, and I will answer it again.

00:55:03.000 I'm a loyal guy.

00:55:04.000 I said if Trump is going to run again, I will totally have his back 100%.

00:55:08.000 He runs in 2024.

00:55:10.000 I refuse to be the type of guy that says one thing and does another when it comes to this and be wishy-washy on that.

00:55:15.000 With that being said, it's very, very possible.

00:55:18.000 It's possible that Governor DeSantis might be a once-in-a-generation type leader.

00:55:23.000 He has been courageous and wise and strong, magnanimous, and effective at every single turn.

00:55:28.000 But here's what it distills down to for me: where I think Ron DeSantis would be a good president.

00:55:36.000 I know Donald Trump was a great president.

00:55:38.000 And that's what I will yield back to.

00:55:41.000 Thank you.

00:55:42.000 I appreciate it.

00:55:47.000 Hey, Charlie, maybe you remember me last year from the University of Arizona as the Latinos for Trump guy.

00:55:52.000 Yes, yes, sure.

00:55:53.000 And now the Latinos for Kerry Lake has also voted for Kerry Lake.

00:55:58.000 So I was wondering, my question is this: Given the fact that I'm pretty sure you're more aware than anybody else that the Latino community really is moving to the right, and that I'm pretty sure we're going to surprise the Democrats this upcoming midterms election, that we're going to completely go to the right.

00:56:11.000 But how do you think that me as a young Latino conservative, I can continue to educate and, you know, I guess for lack of a better way of putting it, kind of like, you know, really get into their mind to show that the Republican or the conservative movement is more beneficial to us Latinos than Democrats.

00:56:27.000 What do you think I get?

00:56:28.000 So, first of all, God bless you.

00:56:29.000 I do remember you.

00:56:29.000 I love the enthusiasm.

00:56:31.000 And so, very simple.

00:56:33.000 Every single day, remind the Latino and Hispanic community that it is white, woke liberals that want to teach your children that men can become pregnant. 0.90

00:56:43.000 Every single day.

00:56:46.000 Every single day.

00:56:47.000 You should say, by the way, one of the reasons why the Latino-Hispanic community is moving to the conservative direction is because they were conservative all along.

00:56:55.000 And now that this insane postmodern deconstructionist policy of there's unlimited amounts of genders, men can become pregnant. 0.68

00:57:04.000 We could have abortion up until the time of termination, that we're not going to teach men or female, but we're just going to say you could be whatever you want to be.

00:57:13.000 It turns out that in Latino and Hispanic households, not only is that not popular, that is a threat to their way of life. 1.00

00:57:21.000 That is hostile. 0.99

00:57:23.000 Where all of a sudden they say, I'm willing to do whatever it takes to make sure that my eight-year-old is not taught this sort of gender garbage and perversion. 0.98

00:57:30.000 And so I would frame it. 0.97

00:57:32.000 And again, who am I to say?

00:57:33.000 I mean, you're part of the Latino community, but at least I look at the data and I talk to a lot of people on our radio program and our podcast.

00:57:39.000 I would frame it as an issue of imperialism.

00:57:41.000 I would say that you have white, woke people that do not live here, that do not care about you, that are invading your cultures and your community, your culture, and your community, and telling you things that are not true, using force to make your kids believe perverse queer gender theory and to believe in, quite honestly, the rejection of traditional conservative Hispanic values. 0.86

00:58:02.000 And finally, I would just kind of lean on the fact that conservatives are becoming the kind of movement of the muscular class, people that shower before work and shower after work, people that work at their hands, and not just people that are in the Zoom and Skype class in our country.

00:58:16.000 No offense, if you're part of that, that's fine.

00:58:18.000 But it's the muscular class that kept our country going in the midst of the Chinese Fauci coronavirus.

00:58:23.000 It was the muscular class that allowed things to continue.

00:58:26.000 And so lean in on that.

00:58:28.000 I think social conservatism is the key to winning over the Latino and Hispanic community in the future.

00:58:36.000 We should lean in on that.

00:58:37.000 God bless you, men.

00:58:38.000 Thank you.

00:58:38.000 Latinos for turning right.

00:58:44.000 Hey, Charlie.

00:58:45.000 So one thing that I find separates a lot of conservatives is the topic of foreign policy, mainly interventionism.

00:58:53.000 When I say interventionism, I don't mean invading Iraq every other weekend.

00:58:56.000 I mean there's a conflict, let's say, the one in the Caucasus, where Artsakh was invaded by Azerbaijan and the U.S. did next to nothing.

00:59:05.000 I want to know what your position of that is.

00:59:08.000 Do we take a more interventionist stance of sanctions or just having troops on the ground to scrape them off?

00:59:13.000 Or do we do nothing and just hope it goes well?

00:59:16.000 Okay, thank you for the question.

00:59:18.000 Pretty well documented my views on this stuff.

00:59:21.000 I always want to serve the American homeland.

00:59:23.000 All foreign policy should point back to what is best for the American people.

00:59:26.000 And I have been so outspoken, just simply asking a series of questions, which gets me accused of being a Kremlin agent, despite the fact I say Putin's a thug and a war criminal never should have invaded Ukraine.

00:59:36.000 I just ask some very simple questions, which is what does success look like in Ukraine?

00:59:40.000 And I've asked lawmaker after lawmaker, and I cannot get a serious, I cannot get answered.

00:59:45.000 They say, well, the defeat of Putin.

00:59:46.000 Oh, really?

00:59:46.000 You think that's going to happen?

00:59:48.000 You think that you're going to displace Putin with $70 billion?

00:59:50.000 Another question.

00:59:51.000 To what cost and to what end are you willing to spend?

00:59:53.000 So we spent $70 billion, of which I get so kind of perplexed, like, wow, we spent $70 billion defending Ukraine's border, but we can't spend $70 billion or $7 billion or $700 million defending our own border with the illegal invasion happening in our country.

01:00:08.000 Now, a response that you might have, or other people say, Charlie, those are two different things.

01:00:14.000 Hold on.

01:00:15.000 To the urgency, the speed, the virtue signaling that was used by the American elite to try to care about Ukraine's border and not our own border, it's honestly perverted.

01:00:24.000 It is.

01:00:25.000 It's care much more about the foreign than the immediate, much more about the distant than the actual.

01:00:30.000 Okay, I have some other questions, though, too.

01:00:32.000 What is the latitude and longitude of which we're comfortable with success in Ukraine?

01:00:36.000 Because here's the reality of it.

01:00:38.000 Eastern Ukraine, they want to be part of Russia.

01:00:40.000 No one wants to say this out loud.

01:00:42.000 They voted this way.

01:00:43.000 They're ethnically Russian.

01:00:44.000 They speak Russian.

01:00:45.000 They used to be part of Russia.

01:00:46.000 Okay, why is that our business?

01:00:48.000 So they say, well, because Putin is going to march across Europe.

01:00:51.000 He can barely take Ukraine. 0.88

01:00:54.000 And I'm supposed to be worried he's going to march across Europe.

01:00:57.000 And they say, well, because we can't let him border a NATO country.

01:00:59.000 He already does.

01:01:00.000 There's a 1 million person military base in an area called Kolingrad Oblast, which currently borders Poland.

01:01:06.000 What other arguments do they use?

01:01:07.000 Well, we don't stop them there.

01:01:08.000 They're going to invade Cincinnati.

01:01:10.000 Not worried about that.

01:01:12.000 Russia can barely field their own military with a declining population, riots in the streets, mandatory conscription.

01:01:18.000 This is a family dispute between two thugs.

01:01:21.000 Not a fan of Zelensky either. 0.89

01:01:23.000 And I say that openly. 0.92

01:01:24.000 He's awful to his people.

01:01:25.000 And you could talk to anybody in that country.

01:01:27.000 They'll tell you about that.

01:01:28.000 But that does not mean Putin was morally right to invade the country.

01:01:32.000 But you have to understand something in Russian history.

01:01:34.000 Many people in Russian government, all they know is war.

01:01:37.000 They don't look at war the way the West does.

01:01:39.000 War is normalized in Russian history. 0.73

01:01:42.000 Russian leaders are judged by how they expand their lands.

01:01:46.000 And so the question is: how does that serve the American homeland?

01:01:49.000 And the answer is it doesn't.

01:01:50.000 So from the first standpoint, we should.

01:01:52.000 And you'll say, Charlie, does that mean you do nothing?

01:01:54.000 No.

01:01:55.000 You try to broker peace.

01:01:57.000 That's what a leader does.

01:01:58.000 You don't send missiles and tomahawks.

01:02:00.000 You go there and you say, there's a meeting immediately.

01:02:02.000 Okay, Zelensky, we put you in via our CIA, which we did.

01:02:06.000 He was not democratically, it was democratically elected.

01:02:08.000 We displaced the actual Democratic leader.

01:02:10.000 We go to Putin, we say, okay, you get to have fair and free elections, the eastern part of Ukraine.

01:02:15.000 If they want to be part of Russia, allow to self-select and sovereignty. 0.88

01:02:19.000 And 100,000 people's lives could have been saved if we had leadership in that regard.

01:02:22.000 And here's something we could all agree upon, but despite the interventionist.

01:02:26.000 If we would have allowed ourselves to have energy supremacy like we did under the prior administration, Putin never would have had the petro-dollar bill to do this in the first place.

01:02:34.000 That we can all agree on.

01:02:36.000 So I just ask questions: how does it benefit America?

01:02:42.000 And I just get very angry when I have to be lectured about why it's our priority to go spend another $70 billion in Ukraine.

01:02:51.000 When I see kids that are going into debt to go pay rent, that could barely afford to go to school, kids that are addicted to psychiatric medication because we locked down our entire country.

01:03:03.000 I want our leaders to say, you know what?

01:03:05.000 It might be a great cause in Ukraine.

01:03:07.000 Let's do $70 billion to make sure this generation isn't bankrupt, homeless, and depressed.

01:03:12.000 I would love to hear a leader say that.

01:03:14.000 Thank you.

01:03:22.000 Hi, Charlie.

01:03:23.000 Thank you for being here tonight.

01:03:25.000 So, my question is coming from a perspective of a Christian that's very, very pro-life and cares very much about justice.

01:03:32.000 A topic I struggle with is the death penalty.

01:03:35.000 How should I, as a pro-lifer and a Christian, view death penalty as someone who also cares about justice, and it's a lot more difficult for me to defend a murderer or criminal versus an unborn innocent child?

01:03:48.000 That's a great question.

01:03:49.000 You and I both struggle with it.

01:03:51.000 I've been outspokenly against the death penalty in years past, but I got to be honest, I'm moving away from that position.

01:03:55.000 I'm not totally there yet.

01:03:56.000 So let me just kind of correct one thing that you said, which is not trying to, you know, kind of focus on it.

01:04:03.000 Executing a criminal is not murder.

01:04:05.000 Okay?

01:04:06.000 That's something different.

01:04:07.000 Okay.

01:04:08.000 Some would say that's justice.

01:04:09.000 Some would say that's the administration of the proper consequence of the rule of law.

01:04:14.000 Now, I'm not totally there.

01:04:16.000 Here's one of my big problems with the death penalty.

01:04:17.000 One of the reasons why I'm against it, probably, but I'm moving on it, is how many people we've wrongfully executed in the last 50 or 60 years.

01:04:27.000 It is the great argument against the death penalty.

01:04:29.000 A lot of people were wrongly executed based on bad evidence, and they were later shown to be exonerated or basically, here we go again, with exculpatory evidence, right?

01:04:40.000 So that's number one.

01:04:42.000 But I do want to say something.

01:04:43.000 I think the weakest argument that people that are, by the way, the death penalty is more expensive.

01:04:48.000 There's all these other different things, right?

01:04:50.000 Also, the belief that the state shouldn't have the power to execute its own citizens.

01:04:54.000 I resonate with that.

01:04:55.000 But I think the weakest argument for the against the death penalty, the weakest argument is they say, well, I don't want innocent life to be taken, and I don't want to have someone on death row to be murdered.

01:05:07.000 Okay, the innocent person in the womb wasn't like the chainsaw murderer or whatever reason they're up for death row, okay?

01:05:15.000 It's a totally different moral category.

01:05:17.000 The person who's on death row is probably there for a very, very good reason, right?

01:05:22.000 The person in the womb hasn't done anything to anybody whatsoever. 0.59

01:05:25.000 It is the definition of innocence, right?

01:05:28.000 They've done nothing but just existed in the womb.

01:05:31.000 So, but I want to be honest.

01:05:32.000 I struggle with it for the reasons of people that were wrongly accused, and then you can't reverse that, right?

01:05:38.000 Once they're dead, they're dead.

01:05:40.000 And that's wrong.

01:05:40.000 It's more expensive.

01:05:42.000 And I also really try to be principled on this idea that the government should not be able to have the power to take the life of its own citizens.

01:05:49.000 I do resonate with that argument.

01:05:51.000 But at the same time, I see some of the crimes committed by some of these people in our country, and I struggle with that too.

01:05:58.000 And I say, I'm supposed to now pay for meals for them for the rest of their life, really?

01:06:02.000 And so I'm right with you with struggling with it, but I definitely yield towards the direction of not having the death penalty currently.

01:06:09.000 But I have to say, one of the clearest moral thinkers on this is Dennis Prager.

01:06:13.000 He's definitely moved me a little bit.

01:06:14.000 He's been great.

01:06:15.000 Thank you.

01:06:15.000 God bless you.

01:06:21.000 Charlie, thank you for coming out here.

01:06:23.000 I wanted to continue with the foreign policy aspect.

01:06:27.000 Do you believe that NATO has a place in the 21st century and we should still be a part of it?

01:06:32.000 Probably not.

01:06:33.000 No, I'd say that NATO is basically the largest socialist subsidy experiment in the history of foreign policy.

01:06:39.000 Basically, NATO is us pumping in tens of billions of dollars.

01:06:43.000 So these major countries have to then go defend them.

01:06:46.000 Like they're not defending themselves, right?

01:06:50.000 Why?

01:06:50.000 So let me just get this straight.

01:06:52.000 If Putin launches a missile to Poland right now and hits a restaurant, you might get drafted.

01:06:57.000 How is that in our national interest exactly?

01:07:00.000 I just ask a series of questions.

01:07:01.000 So I think Trump did the right thing to try to rearrange it.

01:07:05.000 I tend to believe that large, long-standing, massive multinational alliances, not a big fan of that.

01:07:12.000 But I'm open to different arguments on that.

01:07:16.000 But man, you want to talk about, you want to have your opinion shaken on NATO?

01:07:20.000 Go look at how they're imposing radical gender theory throughout all the militaries of Europe.

01:07:27.000 They fly the LGBT flag, all that stuff.

01:07:31.000 That's what NATO is.

01:07:32.000 You should go check it out.

01:07:34.000 But at the same time, I do believe that the West is deserving of protection.

01:07:39.000 But boy, large entanglements in some of these nations.

01:07:42.000 And there's a lot of members of NATO that are awfully questionable.

01:07:45.000 Turkey plays both sides of the ball.

01:07:47.000 Let's just put it that way.

01:07:48.000 God bless you.

01:07:48.000 Thank you.

01:07:49.000 Got to get to the next one.

01:07:50.000 Sorry.

01:07:50.000 Thank you.

01:07:53.000 Hi, Charlie.

01:07:54.000 Growing up as a conservative Christian who heavily believed in loving people for who they are instead of what they believed, in high school when people were starting to express themselves with their sexuality, I was heavily told I couldn't be an ally because of my views.

01:08:08.000 How would you respond to that?

01:08:11.000 So you were told by whom?

01:08:14.000 That was a belief in my family is just loving people for people for who they are.

01:08:18.000 Okay, got it.

01:08:19.000 So I just want to make sure I understand.

01:08:21.000 So your family believed, like, let's say a kid thinks he's a man when he's 16.

01:08:28.000 You should love them where they just can you.

01:08:30.000 No, like we love them for who they are and like where they're at in their life in the sense of it's not our place to judge other people.

01:08:36.000 Got it.

01:08:37.000 Okay.

01:08:37.000 So how do you respond as a Christian to that?

01:08:41.000 Okay, yeah.

01:08:42.000 So look, if someone is 17 years old and is suffering from gender dysphoria, right?

01:08:46.000 They're a man who thinks they're a woman or a woman who thinks they're a man, we could totally have compassion for that person.

01:08:52.000 But the loving thing to do to that person is make sure they get help.

01:08:55.000 The loving thing is not to all of a sudden justify medical mutilation, taking of Lupron, or other interventions that honestly show the continuation or the escalating interventions that would cause more suicide or more issues down the road.

01:09:09.000 And look, here's just one other thing.

01:09:11.000 You know, this is the tension that I think, you know, happens sometimes in Christianity where people say we must accept all people.

01:09:17.000 That is not true.

01:09:19.000 That is not biblical at all.

01:09:21.000 Now, we must stand on truth.

01:09:22.000 We must stand on the natural law.

01:09:24.000 We must have grace in all things.

01:09:25.000 But the Bible is very, very clear.

01:09:27.000 If you love God, you must hate what is evil.

01:09:30.000 That's a harsh teaching for some people.

01:09:31.000 It's Psalm 97, 10. 0.76

01:09:33.000 And so, look, I think that if someone is suffering from that condition, you shouldn't be a jerk to them, but you also should love them enough to say that God has a greater plan for you than from staying in this current condition that you currently are.

01:09:45.000 And that kind of goes back to what is love, right?

01:09:48.000 Which is it phileo, agape, eros, or storge?

01:09:51.000 You see, we have one word for love, and we use it interchangeably here in the West.

01:09:55.000 But in biblical Christianity, in the Koine Greek, there's multitude of different words for love.

01:09:59.000 Is it phileo, brotherly love?

01:10:01.000 Is it storge, you know, kind of a parent-to-child love?

01:10:03.000 Is it eros, romantic love, or is it agape, sacrificial love?

01:10:07.000 And so, you know, the type of love where God sacrificed himself for us is one thing, but is it the type of love where it's a brotherly love where I love you so much, I'm not going to allow you to stay where you are because I believe God has a better plan in store for you?

01:10:19.000 That I believe is more loving than justifying a lifestyle that's in, let's just say, complete and total war with God's natural design.

01:10:28.000 God bless you.

01:10:29.000 Thank you.

01:10:33.000 Hi, Charlie.

01:10:35.000 Thank you for being here.

01:10:36.000 It's a pleasure to be here.

01:10:36.000 I'm a big fan.

01:10:38.000 My question is about the war in Ukraine and how it's currently projected to go with NATO being the way it is.

01:10:46.000 How let me let me sorry.

01:10:51.000 So I have a brother who's in the army.

01:10:53.000 I got out of the Navy last year, and I have a lot of friends who are coming up on the end of their contracts, trying to figure out if they should re-enlist or get out.

01:11:00.000 And my question is: with the war going the way it is and the potential for U.S. involvement, do you think that they how what would you say to someone who is considering whether or not to stay in or get in versus get out?

01:11:14.000 Yeah, so um first I this I get this question all the time and it's a very difficult question to answer because who am I to try to deter the willingness of someone who wants to serve America, right?

01:11:24.000 It's a very, very difficult question.

01:11:25.000 Let's put the Ukraine thing aside because I think we've talked about that plenty.

01:11:29.000 Let's talk about why military enrollment is down 25% this year.

01:11:33.000 Military enrollment is down 25% because the military is quickly becoming a college campus with missiles.

01:11:43.000 You look at what's happening to the military from the woke seminars to the gender ideology. 0.51

01:11:50.000 You have PSAs put forward by the Navy that says that we need to get people's genders correctly.

01:11:56.000 We need to get their pronouns correctly.

01:11:57.000 I'm sorry.

01:11:58.000 They're more worried about social sensitivity than crushing and killing the enemy.

01:12:04.000 I would caution your loved ones, your brother, your friends to be more worried about that and what that might mean, where you have Mark Milley who comes out and he says that the biggest, one of the biggest problems in the military is white rage.

01:12:19.000 What is that exactly? 0.98

01:12:21.000 You mean the white rage that stormed Guadalcanal, Iwo Jima, and Normandy Beach, you fat bum? 1.00

01:12:26.000 Like, that's the white rage that you're worried about? 0.99

01:12:32.000 You mean like the white rage?

01:12:34.000 I'm not saying that all the people in the military in World War II were Caucasian, but a vast majority were.

01:12:39.000 And they had a lot of rage against the Nazis, and I'm glad they did. 0.99

01:12:44.000 And so, and then the other thing I would say is the vaccine thing is that if they have any sort of claim in the future that they don't want to have to take an mRNA gene-altering technology against their will, then the United States military probably is not the best choice for them.

01:13:01.000 And then I would also just everyone look up who the rear admiral for health is, Levine, of which got me suspended from Twitter for even mentioning it.

01:13:13.000 So that would actually give me greater caution than that, than the Ukrainian situation.

01:13:18.000 Because I do still think that American military involvement is unlikely, despite all the clamoring and the kind of the incessant kind of cattle around that.

01:13:27.000 So look, the woke mind virus, the pathogen of the progressives, is quickly infecting every institution.

01:13:33.000 And boy, the Chinese Communist Party, they could not be more happy with our progressive ideology that has taken over massive parts of our military. 0.97

01:13:42.000 And that's why military enrollment is at the lowest levels since the Vietnam War, because people see it.

01:13:48.000 Thank you.

01:13:48.000 God bless you.

01:13:55.000 Hello, Charlie.

01:13:56.000 I would like to ask you about the importance of money.

01:13:59.000 So under Executive Order 14067, the Federal Reserve is tasked with looking into how a central bank digital currency might be created, and they are evaluating the necessary steps and requirements of implementing one.

01:14:16.000 What are your thoughts on Bitcoin?

01:14:18.000 And what do you think, how important do you think its adoption is in securing individual liberties in this country?

01:14:27.000 I'm a huge fan of Bitcoin.

01:14:29.000 The technology, I think, is terrific.

01:14:32.000 I think it's just a matter of time.

01:14:33.000 Now, when I say Bitcoin, I really mean cryptocurrency more broadly or generally.

01:14:38.000 I'm not trying to endorse a coin or telling you to buy it or any of that stuff that got Kim Kardashian in trouble, okay, for all the federal regulators that are watching this.

01:14:46.000 You could buy Ethereum, you could buy whatever you want.

01:14:48.000 But the idea of decentralized currency that is transparent and inflation resistant is very important to liberty.

01:14:55.000 Money is a store of value.

01:14:56.000 That's all that it is.

01:14:57.000 Money replaced the barter system.

01:14:59.000 It's more efficient.

01:15:00.000 It allowed the entire Western world to be developed.

01:15:03.000 And the war on liberty is being directly waged by the Federal Reserve for a reason to deteriorate our money.

01:15:08.000 I think to eventually reset it to be able to crush your earning potential, crush your ability to store capital, crush your ability to be able to earn a life, you know, build a life and earn capital quickly and the ability you want to.

01:15:21.000 Bitcoin, I think, is a hedge against all of that.

01:15:23.000 Without going too deep into the technology of all of it, using blockchain and using it more broadly, it is resistant to kind of tyrannical intervention, if you will.

01:15:32.000 Blockchain, because of its unique one-to-one ability to be able to exist.

01:15:42.000 And the other part about Bitcoin that's so fascinating is the ledger.

01:15:45.000 The ability that you'd be able to see every transaction in real time.

01:15:48.000 That only gives you trust and transparency in the system, where our current system is built on fiat currency wishes and hopes.

01:15:55.000 So I'm a big believer in crypto, a big believer in blockchain.

01:15:59.000 I think it's just a matter of time before that becomes the norm.

01:16:03.000 But let me say one final thing: resist, resist, resist, resist the federal government creating a digital currency.

01:16:11.000 Do not allow that to happen.

01:16:12.000 God bless you.

01:16:13.000 Thank you.

01:16:19.000 Hi, Charlie.

01:16:20.000 First, I just wanted to thank you for coming.

01:16:22.000 I'm a big fan.

01:16:24.000 So I do want to be a dad one day, and I'm a little worried about the public school system pushing more and more radical leftist agenda like transgenderism, socialism, CRT. 0.70

01:16:38.000 So I just wanted to see what you would recommend for me and conservative parents for protecting their kids as they enter school.

01:16:46.000 Like, would you recommend private schooling or homeschooling?

01:16:50.000 Well, a couple of things.

01:16:51.000 So we have the wonderful partnership with Dream City Christian Academy, which is a Turning Point Academy right up the street.

01:16:58.000 We're super thrilled about that.

01:16:59.000 So if anyone watching wants to send their kid to a great school, Dream City Christian does a phenomenal job.

01:17:03.000 We're also launching Turning Point Academy pod schools all across the country for kind of homeschooling centers.

01:17:09.000 For anyone watching, or you have friends or family or relatives that want to start a pod school with Turning Point Academy anywhere across the country, we'd be thrilled about that.

01:17:16.000 And look, so the numbers are overwhelming, though, that homeschooling kids outperform even private school and definitely government school kids.

01:17:24.000 But look, every parent is different.

01:17:25.000 I went to public school, and for me, it was a good thing.

01:17:28.000 It was.

01:17:29.000 Despite the indoctrination and the Marxism, I was a little different.

01:17:32.000 Where the more opposition that I actually encountered, the stronger it made me and the more willing it wanted, you know, I wanted to fight.

01:17:38.000 But not every kid is like that, right?

01:17:40.000 Some kids bend to the whims and kind of the whispers of secular progressivism when it's in the schools.

01:17:46.000 But I think generally and broadly, we need a mass exodus of kids from the government school system into private schools and homeschooling.

01:17:54.000 We have to try to double the homeschooling population and double the Christian private school population in the next couple of years.

01:17:59.000 God bless you.

01:18:00.000 Thank you.

01:18:07.000 Hi, Charlie.

01:18:08.000 My name is Tori, and I am vice chair of the Students for Carrie Lake Coalition.

01:18:08.000 Thanks for coming out.

01:18:12.000 And because of the importance of our upcoming election on November 8th, I wanted to ask you if you believe Carrie Lake is a future of conservatism and your thoughts on her policies, as most GCU students are from out of state and could be unfamiliar with her.

01:18:25.000 So thanks for the question.

01:18:26.000 Again, I'm speaking personally here when we talk politics, especially this close to an election.

01:18:31.000 So I'm a huge Carrie Lake fan.

01:18:33.000 That's not a mystery. 0.92

01:18:36.000 Carrie's awesome. 0.99

01:18:39.000 Arizona is a terrific state, and she would be Arizona would be so well served by having Carrie Lake as governor.

01:18:45.000 And I got to tell you, though, that, you know, to see the race unfold, and you have someone who's not even willing to debate, that should tell you everything that you need to know.

01:18:53.000 And just go up and debate.

01:18:54.000 Just go up and answer some questions. 0.99

01:18:56.000 But here's the thing: Carrie Lake understands everything we're talking about tonight: the border, the need for a free market and flourishing economy, the need to put parents first in education, and also will reject the California cation of Arizona at every single turn. 1.00

01:19:08.000 She's not going to put up with the homelessness. 0.97

01:19:09.000 She's not going to put up with the vagrancy. 1.00

01:19:11.000 She's not going to put up with the teacher unions, you know, dominating the entire kind of government discourse here.

01:19:18.000 And despite all of the nonsense, despite all of the garbage thrown at Carrie Lake, I still think she's going to win, and I think she's going to win convincingly.

01:19:25.000 And so, I got to tell you, you look at Carrie Lake, she's young, energetic, charismatic, full of life.

01:19:30.000 She's willing to look at solutions for all people.

01:19:34.000 And then you have Katie Hobbs.

01:19:36.000 And so, I got to tell you that my personal, again, not on behalf of Turning Point USA, Turning Point Action, yes, which is not posting tonight, but my personal endorsement of Carrie Lake is 100% across the board.

01:19:48.000 And I got to tell you, I get complaints from people all across the country about their person running for dog catcher and running for all this different stuff.

01:19:53.000 We got so many emails.

01:19:55.000 And I got to say, I smile.

01:19:56.000 I say, man, when I get to fill out my ballot, I get to vote for Carrie Lake.

01:20:01.000 That's awesome.

01:20:02.000 Thank you.

01:20:09.000 Adam, Charlie, good to see you again.

01:20:11.000 Proud you and proud ultra MAGA.

01:20:13.000 I'm even wearing my Donald Trump yarmulke right now under my stetcher.

01:20:19.000 So, similar question as like my boy Daniel was asking with the Latino community.

01:20:24.000 The rhinos never gave a damn about spreading the Republican message and especially the conservative message. 0.99

01:20:30.000 And those leftist schmucks don't give a damn about minorities until it's time for us time for us to vote. 0.96

01:20:35.000 So, what would your recommendation be to the America First Movement so that we can avoid those mistakes and spread our message? 0.99

01:20:42.000 Yeah, look, we just have to represent all people.

01:20:44.000 I mean, look, the messages we're talking about tonight are applicable to all backgrounds and all people at all times.

01:20:50.000 But you look at school choice, you look at parents' rights, you look at the issue of the border.

01:20:54.000 This is widely popular.

01:20:56.000 And I have to just say this: rejecting and resisting kind of this mass movement of wokeism is something I think that represents all communities, especially communities of Latinos and black people across America.

01:21:08.000 It's very, very important.

01:21:09.000 But, you know, you look at the kind of issues we're dealing with in the country.

01:21:13.000 I want to see conservatives talk about solutions.

01:21:16.000 I want to see conservatives lean in and try to improve the lives of all people.

01:21:20.000 And you look at how bad things can actually get.

01:21:24.000 You saw over the course of the last two years, the lockdowns, from the mass inflation, everything we're living through right now.

01:21:30.000 You know, it's very, very clear, regardless of skin color or background, there's a lot of misery going around right now.

01:21:35.000 And conservatives have solutions.

01:21:37.000 They have solutions rooted in reality, rooted in the natural law that I think would lift all people, regardless of skin color or background.

01:21:43.000 God bless you, man.

01:21:44.000 Thank you.

01:21:45.000 I think this is the last question, right?

01:21:46.000 Yeah.

01:21:47.000 One more.

01:21:48.000 This will be the last question.

01:21:51.000 Charlie, thank you for coming out and talking to us today.

01:21:54.000 So my question is: so, I remember listening to a podcast with Ben Shapiro, and I love listening to him because he sometimes will attack conservatism and kind of give his viewpoint and say, hey, these things are we don't do well.

01:22:09.000 So I was listening to his podcast, and one of the things that he brought up was conservatism's ability to get in their own way sometimes, to where they struggle to connect with a lot of people that sit in the middle, where you're spending a lot of your time fighting wokeism in the left, and you have a lot of people in swing states that are crucial states that lead to a successful presidency like Biden.

01:22:36.000 What do you think the biggest mountain conservatism has to climb to get out of their own way, to hopefully connect with those center people?

01:22:46.000 Yeah, that's a great question.

01:22:48.000 Boy, I would say generally, so there's two things: kind of conservative worldview or conservative politically, right?

01:22:53.000 So those can be kind of interchanged.

01:22:55.000 So I think for conservative worldview in particular, I think that we have to lean in and learn more about how to be persuasive and how to communicate.

01:23:04.000 And I think we're doing a good job of that, though.

01:23:06.000 I got to be honest.

01:23:07.000 You know, you look at the top 15 podcasts on Apple News and you're talking about suppression and social media.

01:23:13.000 The top 15 podcasts are continually, eight or nine of them are conservative.

01:23:17.000 It's Bongino, it's our program, it's Shapiro, it's Walsh, it's Bannon.

01:23:22.000 And so you look at just kind of the ideological direction of the average podcast listener in America, it's center right.

01:23:27.000 That's pretty amazing, considering the amount of media and spending that comes from the left.

01:23:32.000 That's number one.

01:23:32.000 But just from politicians, though, I got to be honest, I think if politicians were more clear about running against the threat of what, and it's kind of against your question here, but that's fine.

01:23:46.000 I just kind of, I don't know if I disagree.

01:23:47.000 It's just the threat of what the kind of woke mind virus will do to our country.

01:23:51.000 I think that appeals to 70 to 80% of our country.

01:23:54.000 I think that most people know deep down that black-only dormitories are wrong.

01:24:00.000 They know deep down that, you know, this men can become pregnant nonsense that is being taught in our schools or pornography for six-year-olds, which is happening, right? 0.53

01:24:08.000 Or there's all this kind of queer theory stuff that's happening.

01:24:11.000 I think it really animates people and it builds broad-based coalitions.

01:24:15.000 And then as far as kind of like general conservatives, I do say this, as someone who's 100% pro-life, I do think though, unless conservatives go through a boot camp on how to talk about abortion, they shouldn't talk about abortion.

01:24:26.000 I think that most conservatives do not know how to talk about the topic at all whatsoever.

01:24:30.000 I'm willing to help teach them.

01:24:31.000 Shapiro can teach them all that, you know, Candace Owens and all that.

01:24:34.000 But most candidates stumble over their own words.

01:24:36.000 They don't talk about, you know, made in the image of God, not your DNA, not your choice.

01:24:40.000 It's a very deep, complex issue, but it's very morally clear.

01:24:43.000 I think it's a loser in some communities if you don't actually know how to communicate it.

01:24:46.000 Generally, I actually think it's a winner.

01:24:48.000 But finally, the big, big thing, I think conservatives have to stop playing based on the terms of engagement set by the media.

01:24:55.000 The media is always trying to set the terms of the engagement.

01:24:57.000 When conservatives set the terms, we win.

01:25:00.000 When we play offense, we talk about the issues we care about.

01:25:02.000 If it was up to them, we'd just be talking about January 6th all the time.

01:25:05.000 Like, that's the only thing that matters, right?

01:25:06.000 Like, actually, no, people can't afford gas.

01:25:08.000 They can't afford their homes, right?

01:25:09.000 They can't afford their mortgages.

01:25:12.000 Rent in Phoenix is going up astronomically for working people.

01:25:15.000 I mean, they're getting crushed.

01:25:17.000 And so I think we have to set the agenda and not care what the media does.

01:25:20.000 And one final thing that I think is applicable.

01:25:22.000 We have to not care about what the general world calls us.

01:25:26.000 It doesn't matter if they call us you the bad names at all.

01:25:29.000 Are you doing what's right?

01:25:30.000 Are you doing it courageously?

01:25:31.000 And are you doing it clearly?

01:25:32.000 That matters a lot more than whatever label the media tries to throw at you.

01:25:35.000 And just to kind of go to earlier, you know, an earlier thing that I was talking about personally, that's one of the things that fascinates me about Carrie Lake.

01:25:42.000 If she ends up winning, it will be a masterclass of someone who was once in the media, fought the media successfully despite being outspent like 30 to 1 on TV and running a real people first, you know, Arizona-first issue-based campaign.

01:25:57.000 It's a fascinating test case in more ways than one.

01:26:00.000 And I think it could be a blueprint in other states and other races.

01:26:03.000 Thank you.

01:26:03.000 God bless you, man.

01:26:07.000 All right.

01:26:08.000 I want to thank our turning point USA chapter again.

01:26:11.000 They worked very hard to make this possible.

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01:26:16.000 Very, very thankful for that.

01:26:17.000 In closing, guys, stay engaged, stay involved.

01:26:20.000 Everyone, register to vote and make sure you vote.

01:26:22.000 Yes, we're all voting.

01:26:25.000 And please, if you're a Christian, if you're engaged in this stuff, if you're not a Christian, obviously there's a place for you.

01:26:30.000 We need you involved in the movement.

01:26:32.000 We need you.

01:26:33.000 And it's our time as our generation to rise up and to make a serious difference in the world.

01:26:39.000 Please subscribe to my podcast if you're not already.

01:26:41.000 And God bless you guys.

01:26:42.000 Thank you.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - October 15, 2022

What is a Libertarian, a Leftist, a Liberal, and a Conservative? LIVE from GCU

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