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00:02:33.000Joining us now is Dr. Gad Saad, a great friend of mine, visiting professor and global ambassador at Northwood University, author of The Sad Truth About Happiness and the Parasitic Mind.
00:02:48.000You were the first guest that we thought of, of someone who could really speak truth to power about what we're seeing in New York and a broader takeover of the West by Islam.
00:03:00.000I said, look, it doesn't feel right or seem right that the West is quickly being taken over.
00:03:06.000Both London and New York are going to have Muslim mayors and having third world immigration that has made that possible.
00:03:12.000Dr. Saad, how should we think about all of this?
00:03:15.000Look, Islam, like any ideology, has certain defining tenets, some of which might be perfectly consistent with our values, but many of which, regrettably, are perfectly inconsistent with our values.
00:03:28.000So take, for example, Sharia law, which is Islamic law.
00:03:32.000It purports that the severity of a punishment depends on the identity of the perpetrator and of the victim.
00:03:40.000In that sense, it couldn't be any more antithetical to American jurisprudence, which basically says that lady justice has to be blind.
00:03:48.000And so the people who say, hey, you know, all religions have good, good and bad.
00:03:53.000I mean, in a very idiotic sense, that's true.
00:03:56.000But, you know, Jains, people who practice Jainism are extremely pacifists, so much so that when they walk down the street, they use a broom so that they don't inadvertently step on any ants.
00:04:10.000Regrettably, Islam is not as peaceful as Jainism, and therefore we must make sure to let in people who share our values.
00:04:20.000And so why is it that secular Westerners, especially in New York, go out of their way to try to elect someone like Mamdani, who has, by no way whatsoever could you say this guy is a believer in Western values?
00:04:40.000So, I mean, there are several reasons, one of which is, so Islamophilia, the love of Islam, stems from several parasitic ideas, one of which is that Islam, because it is in the minority status in the West so far, it is viewed as the underdog.
00:04:59.000And of course, progressives with their suicidal empathy love to view the underdog as downtrodden and therefore we need to protect it.
00:05:07.000Of course, what they don't know is that Islam is the majority position in 56 countries that constitute the Islamic organization, you know, the IOC, OIC, Organization of Islamic Cooperation.
00:05:24.000And so therefore, they have this reflex, right?
00:06:04.000They're choosing the parts that they agree with and they're ignoring the parts that they don't agree with.
00:06:09.000But once Islam becomes, never mind a majority, if it becomes a strong minority, we have 1400 years of history that tells us what happens to all of the foundational values that we hold dearly in the West, right?
00:06:22.000I mean, you don't have to, you know, believe me, you could just study history, right?
00:06:27.000I mean, almost every single one of the 56 Countries that I mentioned a few minutes ago started off with having zero Islam.
00:06:35.000And then you close and open your eyes, suddenly it's 99.9% Islam.
00:06:51.000Many of your viewers may not know this.
00:06:54.000Since 9-11 alone, Charlie, so that's 24 years, there have been 47,000 plus terror attacks committed by Islamic terrorists in nearly 70 countries.
00:07:08.000And now there are multiple databases that you can use to prove that this number is correct.
00:07:35.000Of course, many, many Muslims have no interest in conquering anyone.
00:07:39.000And they want, as you just said, exactly what you said, which is I want better economic opportunities for me and my children and so on.
00:07:47.000But the Muslim Brotherhood and many other Islamic theorists and scholars and politicians have said that we will conquer the West through three means.
00:07:59.000And I hope that your listeners and viewers take note.
00:08:03.000Number one, we will conquer the West through the womb of our women, right?
00:08:07.000So that's a demographic fertility battle.
00:08:10.000We will produce five children, you will produce 1.2 children, and we will outbreed you.
00:08:16.000Number two, we will conquer the West through hijra.
00:08:19.000Hijrah is the Arabic word for immigration, and that's exactly what we do with our open border policies.
00:08:24.000And number three, we will conquer the West by using your miserable freedoms and liberties against you.
00:08:32.000They're screaming this out from the top of the mountain.
00:08:35.000And yet most Westerners choose to ignore it, Charlie.
00:08:59.000And I know that you're working on a book called Suicidal Empathy, but help me further understand the fortification strategy to help prevent this.
00:09:11.000Well, demography is indeed destiny, right?
00:09:14.000I mean, a culture is defined by the values that the majority of people share in that culture.
00:09:24.000Cultures that throw gays off rooftops are not as good as cultures that don't.
00:09:30.000Cultures that don't engage in female genital mutilation of their little girls are not as good as cultures that don't, and so on and so forth.
00:09:43.000It is perfectly reasonable for a host society to say you're only welcome here as long as you completely reject some of the values that are antithetical to ours.
00:10:02.000But again, Charlie, the reflex in the West, hence parasitic mind and suicidal empathy, people in the West have been taught that it is gauche, it is callous to ever criticize someone's religion.
00:10:13.000And that's what makes most Westerners so impotent to ever criticize Islam, because they say, well, you know, I've got my religion, they have theirs.
00:10:40.000Well, there are many, but one of which, so look, all Abrahamic faiths have a coalitional psychology, us versus them, right?
00:10:48.000The Jews say they are the chosen people and they are the gois.
00:10:52.000The Christians say they are the ones who accept Jesus and are going to heaven and the rest who are going to hell.
00:10:58.000The Muslims say that they are the believers and the kufar, the non-believers, which is kind of a derogatory term.
00:11:04.000But there is something unique in Islam in that the doctrines of Islam spend an extraordinary amount of time being very concerned about those that don't share their faith, right?
00:11:18.000So for example, Judaism is not a proselytizing religion.
00:11:21.000That's why there are only 15 million Jews in the world.
00:11:24.000There are as many Jews today in the world as there were at the start of the Holocaust, roughly.
00:12:31.000In a Muslim standard, what is a good Muslim look like?
00:12:35.000Well, certainly one, doctrinally speaking, is certainly one who is working to unify the entire globe under the unifying flag of Allah, right?
00:12:48.000So that should give shivers down the spine of most people.
00:12:52.000Look, Egypt used to be fully 100% Coptic Christian country.
00:12:59.000Fast forward many centuries, it's now 10% Coptic.
00:13:04.000Lebanon, during my lifetime, when I grew up in Lebanon, was a majority Christian country.
00:13:09.000Fast forward 45 years, it is a largely Muslim majority country.
00:13:15.000What happened to the Syrian Christians?
00:13:17.000What happened to the Iraqi Christians?
00:13:20.000What happened to the Pakistani Christians?
00:13:22.000So again, it's not as though Islam always goes into a place and decapitates everyone who's not Muslim.
00:13:29.000But by one mean or another, once Islam takes a foothold somewhere, then the trajectory is very clear.
00:13:37.000And so if we wish to have the United States become an Islamic countries, stay with the current open border policies, and in 500 years, we'll all be named Muhammad.
00:13:49.000What a smart point that in the Islamic text, they spend so much time about people who do not share their values.
00:13:56.000Christianity spends a fair amount of time of it, but nowhere near Islam, though.
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00:16:57.000Look, I don't know about the 40,000 of the minimum wage.
00:17:01.000I'd have to calculate whether that number makes sense or not.
00:17:04.000But the general gist of what he's saying, I mean, I couldn't agree more, right?
00:17:09.000I mean, what is it that allows, what's the logic of having illegal immigrants more money spent on them than American vets who've lost limbs fighting, defending our liberties?
00:17:41.000So that quote comes from, so prior to people knowing who I am, I mean, now I couldn't get away with it.
00:17:48.000But in the past, because Arabic is my mother tongue, I would hold conversations with all sorts of Muslim and Arabic-speaking people to sort of gauge their sentiments about things.
00:17:59.000And I would repeatedly hear from Arabic-speaking, Muslim-speaking immigrants, in this case, it was in Canada, always say that the West is a woman to be mounted.
00:18:12.000And what the reflex that that captures is that all of the virtues that we think as laudable in the West, compassion, magnanimity, generosity, empathy, are heard as weakness, weakness, weakness, and weakness by cultures that don't necessarily share our infinite largesse.
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00:22:35.000Thank you for your understanding, sir.
00:22:37.000So Dr. Ray, you are like an encyclopedia on wars, and you've studied and watched the Middle East for decades.
00:22:45.000Kind of give us your historical and just commentary on what we've witnessed the last couple of weeks and how it fits in Middle East history.
00:22:56.000Okay, let me start by saying that when people talk about a 12-day war, they're wrong.
00:23:04.000That war began in 1979 with the overthrow of the Shah and the arrival in Iran of Khomeini and of a clerical regime that really is foreign to the Shiite tradition, which had been dominant in Iran and in various other places before that time.
00:23:23.000Ever since that time, starting with the seizure of the people from the American embassy as hostages, there has been a low-level war going on between Iran, the Sunni neighbors of Iran, the United States, and Israel.
00:23:45.000And every so often, this thing explodes into something larger.
00:23:51.000And that's what the so-called 12-day war was about.
00:23:56.000One of the key elements to this was that the Iranians were seeking nuclear weapons and had the means to produce them in short order.
00:24:06.000And just having that capacity gave them leverage.
00:24:11.000And they sponsored proxies, the Houthis in Yemen, Hezbollah in Lebanon, and Hamas in Gaza.
00:24:22.000And this is all for the purpose of overcoming the Sunni world.
00:24:29.000The Israelis in the United States are seen as obstacles to that.
00:24:34.000We stand in the way, and we do indeed stand in the way.
00:24:38.000And you can see the manner in which in recent years, the Sunni world has lined up with the Israelis, settling all sorts of questions, providing ambassadorial, diplomatic recognition, and so forth.
00:24:52.000And that's because they're afraid of the Iranians.
00:24:55.000So there is a split within Islam between Sunni and Shiite that is every bit as important as the division between Catholic and Protestant in, say, the 16th and 17th centuries.
00:25:24.000Under Obama, we made a deal with them that they would put their nuclear program on hold, and we would provide them with a great deal of money, which then has been spent in attacking us and in attacking the Israelis.
00:25:39.000So there's a large struggle that's been going on for a long time.
00:25:44.000It may be over now, but I'm not too terribly confident of that.
00:25:50.000As long as that regime stays in power, they're likely to pursue this.
00:25:55.000If you see Khamenei, who is the leader There, being pushed aside.
00:26:01.000He's an old man, he's 86, and other people coming to the fore, there may be a deal worked out that has some legs to it.
00:26:13.000I don't know if you noticed, but today Khamenei appeared and declared victory in this war, despite all the damage that has been done to their nuclear program, to their military, and so forth.
00:26:29.000There is a larger context for this, and hidden in the background is the fact that there is a kind of rivalry between Turkey, which in the Ottoman period was the great rival of Iran, and the Iranians.
00:26:44.000So you have a Sunni power in Turkey that is formidable and allied with us, at least nominally.
00:26:53.000That has not burst out into violence, but you could see that it was going on in Syria, in which the current regime in Syria was being sponsored.
00:27:06.000Those people were being sponsored by the Turks.
00:27:09.000The Iranians were sponsoring the Alawite regime of the Assad family.
00:27:15.000So there's maneuvering that goes on sort of constantly in that region.
00:27:21.000And we're drawn into it because it's a source of oil for our allies in Europe and, of course, Japan.
00:27:30.000An awful lot of oil moves through the Straits of Hormuz, down through the Persian Gulf.
00:27:38.000It comes from Iran, it comes from Iraq, it comes from Saudi Arabia, and it comes from other countries in that particular region, but it's of strategic importance because our allies are dependent on that.
00:27:53.000For a time, we were dependent on it too, until we began to frack.
00:27:59.000And we're now an exporter of oil, although not on a huge level.
00:28:05.000The other thing is this is tied into the larger world.
00:28:10.000You know, the things that we do or don't do have an impact on the calculation of people elsewhere.
00:28:19.000To go back a little ways, when Obama was president, he declared a red line in Syria, and then they broke the red line, and he did absolutely nothing.
00:28:32.000He then tried to suck up to the Iranian regime, showing weakness again.
00:28:39.000And it's not a very big surprise that in 2014, the Russians will move into Crimea and will move into eastern Ukraine.
00:28:49.000They figured they could get away with it, and they did.
00:28:52.000The follow-up to that is that the Chinese take the reefs in the South China Sea and begin to militarize them, trying to turn the South China Sea into a Chinese lake.
00:29:06.000So if you show weakness, everybody's going to move against you in ways they think they can get away with.
00:29:15.000If you show strength, it's just the opposite.
00:29:19.000I don't believe that Putin would have gone into Ukraine in 2014, or excuse me, in 2022, if Donald Trump had been president.
00:29:33.000And the reason is when Soleimani, who was head of the Revolutionary Guard in Iran, instructed the militias that they sponsor in Iraq to attack the American base with missiles, we assassinated him.
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00:31:48.000So Dr. Ray, what you're articulating is Shia supremacism, where the Iranian regime has an ideological fervor to want to take over the entire region.
00:31:59.000What would you say is the status or the health of that regime?
00:33:16.000There's a sort of group of insiders, including the leaders of the Revolutionary Guard and so forth, but also the people in parliament and the mullahs.
00:33:28.000And you can bet that there are conversations going on now about what changes need to be made.
00:33:35.000And at a certain point, those changes could be serious.
00:33:40.000In the year 2002, after 9-11, I used to live in Turkey, so I know that part of the world a bit.
00:33:48.000And I went back to Turkey seeing old friends, but I was also invited to a party with Turkish journalists.
00:33:59.000There was an Iranian journalist there.
00:34:02.000There had been demonstrations in Iran, spontaneous demonstrations at soccer games, pro-American demonstrations in the wake of 9-11.
00:34:13.000So I asked this Iranian journalist, is the regime going to go under?
00:34:55.000But one of the things you can see in these sorts of regimes is they run out of revolutionary fervor when the generation that made the revolution passes from the scene.
00:35:20.000But it could be enough of them have passed from the scene and that there are people in positions of responsibility who are younger, the sort of Gorbachevs of the Iranian revolution.
00:35:34.000That is to say, people who were not there during the revolution.
00:35:38.000And they may think a little bit differently, especially since the defeats they've suffered in Gaza, in Lebanon, in Yemen, and now in the home country.
00:35:53.000So they might want to move away from a set of policies that brings this sort of thing on them.
00:36:02.000Now, if Khamenei remains in power, 86 years old, and if he dominates, I doubt that there will be change.
00:36:13.000But if he gets pushed aside, everything's open.
00:36:19.000And there's a very large population in Iran that has never liked this regime.
00:36:24.000And so there might be an opening in that direction.
00:36:27.000If there was ever an opportunity for the people of Persia to rise up, I would imagine this would be it.
00:36:33.000At least from the outside, they seem remarkably vulnerable.