The Charlie Kirk Show - What is Suicidal Empathy and Is It Destroying the West?

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00:02:33.000 Joining us now is Dr. Gad Saad, a great friend of mine, visiting professor and global ambassador at Northwood University, author of The Sad Truth About Happiness and the Parasitic Mind.

00:02:43.000 Dr. Saad, great to see you.

00:02:45.000 How are you, sir?

00:02:46.000 So, Dr. Saad, I'm doing well.

00:02:48.000 You were the first guest that we thought of, of someone who could really speak truth to power about what we're seeing in New York and a broader takeover of the West by Islam. 1.00

00:02:59.000 And I said something yesterday.

00:03:00.000 I said, look, it doesn't feel right or seem right that the West is quickly being taken over.

00:03:06.000 Both London and New York are going to have Muslim mayors and having third world immigration that has made that possible. 1.00

00:03:12.000 Dr. Saad, how should we think about all of this?

00:03:15.000 Look, Islam, like any ideology, has certain defining tenets, some of which might be perfectly consistent with our values, but many of which, regrettably, are perfectly inconsistent with our values.

00:03:28.000 So take, for example, Sharia law, which is Islamic law.

00:03:32.000 It purports that the severity of a punishment depends on the identity of the perpetrator and of the victim.

00:03:40.000 In that sense, it couldn't be any more antithetical to American jurisprudence, which basically says that lady justice has to be blind. 1.00

00:03:48.000 And so the people who say, hey, you know, all religions have good, good and bad.

00:03:53.000 I mean, in a very idiotic sense, that's true.

00:03:56.000 But, you know, Jains, people who practice Jainism are extremely pacifists, so much so that when they walk down the street, they use a broom so that they don't inadvertently step on any ants.

00:04:10.000 Regrettably, Islam is not as peaceful as Jainism, and therefore we must make sure to let in people who share our values.

00:04:18.000 But why is this so complicated?

00:04:20.000 And so why is it that secular Westerners, especially in New York, go out of their way to try to elect someone like Mamdani, who has, by no way whatsoever could you say this guy is a believer in Western values?

00:04:38.000 What drives that?

00:04:40.000 So, I mean, there are several reasons, one of which is, so Islamophilia, the love of Islam, stems from several parasitic ideas, one of which is that Islam, because it is in the minority status in the West so far, it is viewed as the underdog. 0.93

00:04:59.000 And of course, progressives with their suicidal empathy love to view the underdog as downtrodden and therefore we need to protect it.

00:05:07.000 Of course, what they don't know is that Islam is the majority position in 56 countries that constitute the Islamic organization, you know, the IOC, OIC, Organization of Islamic Cooperation.

00:05:24.000 And so therefore, they have this reflex, right?

00:05:27.000 The noble Gazans are the sweet boys.

00:05:31.000 The Israelis are the mean guys. 1.00

00:05:33.000 And so that just comes from the reflexive bent of progressives to always go for the minority.

00:05:40.000 And so what further about Islam do you wish or want Westerners to know about?

00:05:47.000 Do you think that Islam is compatible with Western civilization? 1.00

00:05:51.000 The short answer, no.

00:05:53.000 Of course, millions of Muslims decide to ignore the incongruent elements of their religion. 1.00

00:06:02.000 They're practicing cafeteria Islam, right? 1.00

00:06:04.000 They're choosing the parts that they agree with and they're ignoring the parts that they don't agree with.

00:06:09.000 But once Islam becomes, never mind a majority, if it becomes a strong minority, we have 1400 years of history that tells us what happens to all of the foundational values that we hold dearly in the West, right? 0.98

00:06:22.000 I mean, you don't have to, you know, believe me, you could just study history, right?

00:06:27.000 I mean, almost every single one of the 56 Countries that I mentioned a few minutes ago started off with having zero Islam. 1.00

00:06:35.000 And then you close and open your eyes, suddenly it's 99.9% Islam. 0.98

00:06:41.000 How did that happen?

00:06:42.000 In some cases, it takes five years for it to happen.

00:06:45.000 In some cases, it takes 500 years to happen.

00:06:48.000 But inshallah, it will always happen.

00:06:50.000 I'll mention one other thing.

00:06:51.000 Many of your viewers may not know this.

00:06:54.000 Since 9-11 alone, Charlie, so that's 24 years, there have been 47,000 plus terror attacks committed by Islamic terrorists in nearly 70 countries.

00:07:08.000 And now there are multiple databases that you can use to prove that this number is correct.

00:07:15.000 47,000 terror attacks.

00:07:18.000 So that should give you a sense of whether Islam is compatible with the West or not. 0.73

00:07:24.000 So why is it that so many Muslims are moving to Western countries?

00:07:29.000 Is it just economics or is there something more ideological at play here?

00:07:34.000 It's both.

00:07:35.000 Of course, many, many Muslims have no interest in conquering anyone. 0.98

00:07:39.000 And they want, as you just said, exactly what you said, which is I want better economic opportunities for me and my children and so on.

00:07:47.000 But the Muslim Brotherhood and many other Islamic theorists and scholars and politicians have said that we will conquer the West through three means.

00:07:59.000 And I hope that your listeners and viewers take note.

00:08:03.000 Number one, we will conquer the West through the womb of our women, right? 0.98

00:08:07.000 So that's a demographic fertility battle. 0.99

00:08:10.000 We will produce five children, you will produce 1.2 children, and we will outbreed you. 0.80

00:08:16.000 Number two, we will conquer the West through hijra. 1.00

00:08:19.000 Hijrah is the Arabic word for immigration, and that's exactly what we do with our open border policies.

00:08:24.000 And number three, we will conquer the West by using your miserable freedoms and liberties against you.

00:08:32.000 They're screaming this out from the top of the mountain.

00:08:35.000 And yet most Westerners choose to ignore it, Charlie.

00:08:38.000 It is so galling.

00:08:40.000 It is so frustrating.

00:08:41.000 I escaped that world 45 plus years ago.

00:08:44.000 And here it is now hunting me down 50 years later.

00:08:49.000 And it's what can we do to fortify ourselves against this?

00:08:54.000 And mass immigration leads to bad policies. 0.99

00:08:57.000 You become what you import.

00:08:59.000 And I know that you're working on a book called Suicidal Empathy, but help me further understand the fortification strategy to help prevent this.

00:09:11.000 Well, demography is indeed destiny, right?

00:09:14.000 I mean, a culture is defined by the values that the majority of people share in that culture.

00:09:22.000 Cultures are not all equal, right?

00:09:24.000 Cultures that throw gays off rooftops are not as good as cultures that don't. 1.00

00:09:30.000 Cultures that don't engage in female genital mutilation of their little girls are not as good as cultures that don't, and so on and so forth. 0.57

00:09:38.000 So cultures have values.

00:09:41.000 Religions have values.

00:09:43.000 It is perfectly reasonable for a host society to say you're only welcome here as long as you completely reject some of the values that are antithetical to ours.

00:09:55.000 If yes, welcome in, my brother.

00:09:58.000 If no, stay from where you came from.

00:10:00.000 I mean, it's as simple as that.

00:10:02.000 But again, Charlie, the reflex in the West, hence parasitic mind and suicidal empathy, people in the West have been taught that it is gauche, it is callous to ever criticize someone's religion.

00:10:13.000 And that's what makes most Westerners so impotent to ever criticize Islam, because they say, well, you know, I've got my religion, they have theirs.

00:10:22.000 Who am I to judge them?

00:10:24.000 Well, you should judge if those values are inconsistent with those that you hold dear.

00:10:29.000 And people in the West assume that Western values are universal, and they're not.

00:10:33.000 What in particular makes Islamic values incongruent with Western values?

00:10:38.000 What are the specifics you would say?

00:10:40.000 Well, there are many, but one of which, so look, all Abrahamic faiths have a coalitional psychology, us versus them, right? 0.88

00:10:48.000 The Jews say they are the chosen people and they are the gois. 0.98

00:10:52.000 The Christians say they are the ones who accept Jesus and are going to heaven and the rest who are going to hell.

00:10:58.000 The Muslims say that they are the believers and the kufar, the non-believers, which is kind of a derogatory term.

00:11:04.000 But there is something unique in Islam in that the doctrines of Islam spend an extraordinary amount of time being very concerned about those that don't share their faith, right?

00:11:18.000 So for example, Judaism is not a proselytizing religion.

00:11:21.000 That's why there are only 15 million Jews in the world.

00:11:24.000 There are as many Jews today in the world as there were at the start of the Holocaust, roughly.

00:11:28.000 Totally.

00:11:30.000 Whereas Muslims, in a sense, it's the ultimate successful marketing strategy. 1.00

00:11:36.000 In 1400 years, Charlie, they have nearly 2 billion people.

00:11:41.000 So Islam is successful. 0.97

00:11:43.000 Judaism sucks at marketing itself. 1.00

00:11:46.000 And so there are many elements within the contents of the doctrines of Islam that make it uniquely dangerous. 1.00

00:11:53.000 And again, this doesn't take away from the fact that most Muslims are perfectly nice and sweet and peaceful.

00:12:00.000 But where Islam goes, personal liberties die. 1.00

00:12:04.000 But and think about even within that statement, Dr. Said, okay, they're peaceful and sweet because we're comparing them to Western values.

00:12:13.000 And so if you compare a Muslim to Muslim values, so they're sweet by our standard is what I'm saying.

00:12:22.000 And so insofar that they will comply to the Western standard, then fine, of course.

00:12:28.000 But what is a good Muslim? 1.00

00:12:31.000 In a Muslim standard, what is a good Muslim look like? 1.00

00:12:35.000 Well, certainly one, doctrinally speaking, is certainly one who is working to unify the entire globe under the unifying flag of Allah, right?

00:12:48.000 So that should give shivers down the spine of most people.

00:12:52.000 Look, Egypt used to be fully 100% Coptic Christian country.

00:12:59.000 Fast forward many centuries, it's now 10% Coptic. 0.99

00:13:04.000 Lebanon, during my lifetime, when I grew up in Lebanon, was a majority Christian country.

00:13:09.000 Fast forward 45 years, it is a largely Muslim majority country.

00:13:15.000 What happened to the Syrian Christians?

00:13:17.000 What happened to the Iraqi Christians?

00:13:20.000 What happened to the Pakistani Christians?

00:13:22.000 So again, it's not as though Islam always goes into a place and decapitates everyone who's not Muslim.

00:13:29.000 But by one mean or another, once Islam takes a foothold somewhere, then the trajectory is very clear. 0.99

00:13:37.000 And so if we wish to have the United States become an Islamic countries, stay with the current open border policies, and in 500 years, we'll all be named Muhammad. 0.96

00:13:49.000 What a smart point that in the Islamic text, they spend so much time about people who do not share their values. 0.99

00:13:56.000 Christianity spends a fair amount of time of it, but nowhere near Islam, though.

00:14:01.000 It doesn't seem there.

00:14:02.000 There are like direct calls in Islam of what to do for those that don't believe.

00:14:08.000 And it's a very pernicious preoccupation.

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00:15:07.000 I want to play 526 and then let Dr. Sad just riff.

00:15:10.000 This is if Rush Limbaugh was king, and we should have listened to Rush.

00:15:15.000 This was 20 years ago.

00:15:16.000 20 years ago.

00:15:19.000 I should get a hat.

00:15:20.000 Rush was right about everything.

00:15:21.000 Play cut 526.

00:15:24.000 Everybody's making immigration proposals these days.

00:15:26.000 Let me add mine to the mix.

00:15:28.000 Call it the Limbaugh Laws first.

00:15:30.000 You immigrate to our country, you have to speak the native language. 1.00

00:15:34.000 You have to be a professional or an investor.

00:15:36.000 No unskilled workers allowed.

00:15:38.000 Also, there'll be no special bilingual programs in the schools with the Limbaugh Laws. 0.54

00:15:42.000 No special ballots for elections.

00:15:44.000 No government business will be conducted in your language.

00:15:46.000 Foreigners will not have the right to vote or hold political office. 1.00

00:15:50.000 If you're in our country, you cannot be a burden to taxpayers.

00:15:54.000 You are not entitled to welfare or food stamps or other government goodies.

00:15:57.000 You can come if you invest here, an amount equal to 40,000 times a daily minimum wage.

00:16:03.000 If not, stay home.

00:16:05.000 But if you want to buy land, it'll be restricted.

00:16:07.000 No waterfront, for instance.

00:16:08.000 And as a foreigner, you have to relinquish individual rights to the property. 1.00

00:16:12.000 And another thing, you don't have the right to protest.

00:16:15.000 You're allowed no demonstrations, no foreign flag waving, no political organizing, no badmouthing our president or his policies.

00:16:22.000 You're a foreigner. 1.00

00:16:24.000 Shut your mouth or get out.

00:16:26.000 And if you come here illegally, you're going to jail.

00:16:29.000 Now, you think the limbaw laws are harsh? 0.99

00:16:31.000 Well, every one of the laws I just mentioned are actual laws of Mexico today.

00:16:36.000 That's how the Mexican government handles immigrants to their country.

00:16:39.000 Yet Mexicans come here illegally and protest in our streets. 0.98

00:16:44.000 How do you say double standard in Spanish?

00:16:47.000 How about nomas?

00:16:50.000 Dr. Saad, react to the great Rush Lambaz as a conversation starter.

00:16:56.000 He is missed.

00:16:57.000 Look, I don't know about the 40,000 of the minimum wage.

00:17:01.000 I'd have to calculate whether that number makes sense or not.

00:17:04.000 But the general gist of what he's saying, I mean, I couldn't agree more, right?

00:17:09.000 I mean, what is it that allows, what's the logic of having illegal immigrants more money spent on them than American vets who've lost limbs fighting, defending our liberties?

00:17:24.000 It's insane.

00:17:24.000 I mean, hence, that's the exact point of my next book, Suicidal Empathy.

00:17:28.000 So yes, Rush Limbaugh is right about everything.

00:17:33.000 In closing here, Dr. Saad, what would you say the West is a woman to be mounted? 0.73

00:17:37.000 That is the Islamic creed? 0.99

00:17:39.000 Remind us of it.

00:17:41.000 So that quote comes from, so prior to people knowing who I am, I mean, now I couldn't get away with it.

00:17:48.000 But in the past, because Arabic is my mother tongue, I would hold conversations with all sorts of Muslim and Arabic-speaking people to sort of gauge their sentiments about things.

00:17:59.000 And I would repeatedly hear from Arabic-speaking, Muslim-speaking immigrants, in this case, it was in Canada, always say that the West is a woman to be mounted. 0.98

00:18:12.000 And what the reflex that that captures is that all of the virtues that we think as laudable in the West, compassion, magnanimity, generosity, empathy, are heard as weakness, weakness, weakness, and weakness by cultures that don't necessarily share our infinite largesse.

00:18:35.000 And so it's exactly what they're saying.

00:18:38.000 West is weak.

00:18:38.000 It's a woman.

00:18:39.000 Therefore, really quick.

00:18:41.000 We know the red-green alliance, right?

00:18:43.000 But Islam is all about power and leftism is all about power. 1.00

00:18:48.000 Maybe that's also what they have in common.

00:18:50.000 Exactly.

00:18:51.000 They both despise the West.

00:18:53.000 So because we both despise the West, we will join in unison in trying to get rid of the West.

00:18:59.000 But of course, the leftists don't recognize that once Islam becomes ascendant, they will be decapitated just like the rest of us. 0.97

00:19:08.000 Dr. Saad, please plug your work so our audience can follow and support you.

00:19:13.000 The Parasitic Mind was a big international bestseller.

00:19:17.000 You can certainly read my latest book on happiness, The Sad Truth About Happiness.

00:19:21.000 And I am feverishly working on my next book, which should be out probably early in 2026, called Suicidal Empathy.

00:19:28.000 Dr. Saad, thank you so much.

00:19:30.000 Excellent work.

00:19:31.000 And we'll have you on it soon again soon.

00:19:33.000 Thank you.

00:19:33.000 Thank you, sir.

00:19:34.000 Cheers.

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00:22:18.000 Joining us now is Dr. Paul Ray, professor of history at Hillsdale College and war historian.

00:22:24.000 Dr. Ray, thank you for your patience and time with us.

00:22:26.000 One day when I meet you, I'll tell you all the fun backstory of our first attempted interview, but now we're live on air.

00:22:33.000 So thank you for your attention.

00:22:35.000 Thank you for your understanding, sir.

00:22:37.000 So Dr. Ray, you are like an encyclopedia on wars, and you've studied and watched the Middle East for decades.

00:22:45.000 Kind of give us your historical and just commentary on what we've witnessed the last couple of weeks and how it fits in Middle East history.

00:22:56.000 Okay, let me start by saying that when people talk about a 12-day war, they're wrong.

00:23:01.000 It's been a 46-year war.

00:23:04.000 That war began in 1979 with the overthrow of the Shah and the arrival in Iran of Khomeini and of a clerical regime that really is foreign to the Shiite tradition, which had been dominant in Iran and in various other places before that time.

00:23:23.000 Ever since that time, starting with the seizure of the people from the American embassy as hostages, there has been a low-level war going on between Iran, the Sunni neighbors of Iran, the United States, and Israel.

00:23:45.000 And every so often, this thing explodes into something larger.

00:23:51.000 And that's what the so-called 12-day war was about.

00:23:56.000 One of the key elements to this was that the Iranians were seeking nuclear weapons and had the means to produce them in short order. 0.89

00:24:06.000 And just having that capacity gave them leverage.

00:24:11.000 And they sponsored proxies, the Houthis in Yemen, Hezbollah in Lebanon, and Hamas in Gaza.

00:24:22.000 And this is all for the purpose of overcoming the Sunni world. 1.00

00:24:29.000 The Israelis in the United States are seen as obstacles to that.

00:24:34.000 We stand in the way, and we do indeed stand in the way.

00:24:38.000 And you can see the manner in which in recent years, the Sunni world has lined up with the Israelis, settling all sorts of questions, providing ambassadorial, diplomatic recognition, and so forth.

00:24:52.000 And that's because they're afraid of the Iranians. 0.99

00:24:55.000 So there is a split within Islam between Sunni and Shiite that is every bit as important as the division between Catholic and Protestant in, say, the 16th and 17th centuries.

00:25:11.000 It's a source of bloodshed.

00:25:13.000 It's a source of struggle.

00:25:14.000 Honor is involved.

00:25:17.000 And the Iranians have been very effective in this.

00:25:22.000 We've helped fund it.

00:25:24.000 Under Obama, we made a deal with them that they would put their nuclear program on hold, and we would provide them with a great deal of money, which then has been spent in attacking us and in attacking the Israelis. 0.89

00:25:39.000 So there's a large struggle that's been going on for a long time.

00:25:44.000 It may be over now, but I'm not too terribly confident of that.

00:25:50.000 As long as that regime stays in power, they're likely to pursue this.

00:25:55.000 If you see Khamenei, who is the leader There, being pushed aside.

00:26:01.000 He's an old man, he's 86, and other people coming to the fore, there may be a deal worked out that has some legs to it.

00:26:11.000 Otherwise, not.

00:26:13.000 I don't know if you noticed, but today Khamenei appeared and declared victory in this war, despite all the damage that has been done to their nuclear program, to their military, and so forth.

00:26:26.000 So who knows in that regard?

00:26:29.000 There is a larger context for this, and hidden in the background is the fact that there is a kind of rivalry between Turkey, which in the Ottoman period was the great rival of Iran, and the Iranians.

00:26:44.000 So you have a Sunni power in Turkey that is formidable and allied with us, at least nominally.

00:26:51.000 And then you have the Iranians. 1.00

00:26:53.000 That has not burst out into violence, but you could see that it was going on in Syria, in which the current regime in Syria was being sponsored.

00:27:06.000 Those people were being sponsored by the Turks.

00:27:09.000 The Iranians were sponsoring the Alawite regime of the Assad family.

00:27:15.000 So there's maneuvering that goes on sort of constantly in that region.

00:27:21.000 And we're drawn into it because it's a source of oil for our allies in Europe and, of course, Japan.

00:27:30.000 An awful lot of oil moves through the Straits of Hormuz, down through the Persian Gulf.

00:27:38.000 It comes from Iran, it comes from Iraq, it comes from Saudi Arabia, and it comes from other countries in that particular region, but it's of strategic importance because our allies are dependent on that.

00:27:53.000 For a time, we were dependent on it too, until we began to frack.

00:27:59.000 And we're now an exporter of oil, although not on a huge level.

00:28:05.000 The other thing is this is tied into the larger world.

00:28:10.000 You know, the things that we do or don't do have an impact on the calculation of people elsewhere.

00:28:19.000 To go back a little ways, when Obama was president, he declared a red line in Syria, and then they broke the red line, and he did absolutely nothing.

00:28:32.000 He then tried to suck up to the Iranian regime, showing weakness again.

00:28:39.000 And it's not a very big surprise that in 2014, the Russians will move into Crimea and will move into eastern Ukraine. 0.81

00:28:49.000 They figured they could get away with it, and they did.

00:28:52.000 The follow-up to that is that the Chinese take the reefs in the South China Sea and begin to militarize them, trying to turn the South China Sea into a Chinese lake. 0.95

00:29:06.000 So if you show weakness, everybody's going to move against you in ways they think they can get away with.

00:29:15.000 If you show strength, it's just the opposite.

00:29:19.000 I don't believe that Putin would have gone into Ukraine in 2014, or excuse me, in 2022, if Donald Trump had been president.

00:29:33.000 And the reason is when Soleimani, who was head of the Revolutionary Guard in Iran, instructed the militias that they sponsor in Iraq to attack the American base with missiles, we assassinated him.

00:29:50.000 Trump ordered it.

00:29:51.000 Boom.

00:29:52.000 I'm not the only one who thinks this.

00:29:55.000 I sat at a dinner three years ago with a columnist of the New York Times who shall remain nameless, but she has red hair.

00:30:04.000 A New York Times speaker was speaking about Ukraine.

00:30:09.000 She got up and she asked him if he thought that had Trump been president, Putin would have gone into Ukraine.

00:30:17.000 And the fellow then went into the Russian collusion nonsense.

00:30:22.000 And I leaned over to her and I said, you think otherwise, don't you?

00:30:26.000 And she shook her head, yes.

00:30:28.000 And I said, it's Nixon, isn't it?

00:30:31.000 And she says, that's it.

00:30:32.000 That's exactly it.

00:30:35.000 Now, the key thing about Nixon is he was unpredictable.

00:30:40.000 I'm afraid of him.

00:30:42.000 That's an incredible story about Maureen Dowd.

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00:31:48.000 So Dr. Ray, what you're articulating is Shia supremacism, where the Iranian regime has an ideological fervor to want to take over the entire region. 0.87

00:31:59.000 What would you say is the status or the health of that regime?

00:32:03.000 Can we tell?

00:32:05.000 Please tell us, Dr. Ray.

00:32:06.000 Well, we really can't tell.

00:32:08.000 At least I really can't tell.

00:32:11.000 We may have intelligence agents there who know quite a bit.

00:32:16.000 The CIA may know quite a bit.

00:32:19.000 I wouldn't be shocked at all if the Israelis know quite a bit.

00:32:23.000 But I don't think this is a good day for that political regime.

00:32:30.000 A lot of damage has been done.

00:32:33.000 They've shown weakness.

00:32:34.000 I mean, Khomeini may claim victory, but the whole world, including all the people in Iran, know that this was a grave defeat for Iran.

00:32:46.000 And weakness in that part of the world, in Iran, in the Arab countries, isn't tolerated for long.

00:32:56.000 So I think it's possible that there will be a change within the regime or even a change of regime.

00:33:07.000 One of the things to know about the Iranian regime is it's not a monarchy.

00:33:12.000 It's not an ordinary tyranny.

00:33:14.000 It's an oligarchy.

00:33:16.000 There's a sort of group of insiders, including the leaders of the Revolutionary Guard and so forth, but also the people in parliament and the mullahs.

00:33:28.000 And you can bet that there are conversations going on now about what changes need to be made.

00:33:35.000 And at a certain point, those changes could be serious.

00:33:40.000 In the year 2002, after 9-11, I used to live in Turkey, so I know that part of the world a bit.

00:33:48.000 And I went back to Turkey seeing old friends, but I was also invited to a party with Turkish journalists.

00:33:59.000 There was an Iranian journalist there.

00:34:02.000 There had been demonstrations in Iran, spontaneous demonstrations at soccer games, pro-American demonstrations in the wake of 9-11.

00:34:13.000 So I asked this Iranian journalist, is the regime going to go under?

00:34:20.000 And he said, no.

00:34:22.000 He said, the people who run this country were graduate students in Eastern Europe during the Soviet period.

00:34:30.000 They know how to control a population.

00:34:34.000 There's one thing they don't know how to control, their own children.

00:34:40.000 I don't know if his story about Eastern Europe is correct, but I can tell you they have controlled that population. 0.99

00:34:48.000 It's now 46 years old.

00:34:50.000 At that time, it was younger.

00:34:55.000 But one of the things you can see in these sorts of regimes is they run out of revolutionary fervor when the generation that made the revolution passes from the scene.

00:35:10.000 Now, it's a bit early.

00:35:12.000 Those people are in their 60s now and in their 70s.

00:35:16.000 They haven't passed from the scene.

00:35:20.000 But it could be enough of them have passed from the scene and that there are people in positions of responsibility who are younger, the sort of Gorbachevs of the Iranian revolution.

00:35:34.000 That is to say, people who were not there during the revolution.

00:35:38.000 And they may think a little bit differently, especially since the defeats they've suffered in Gaza, in Lebanon, in Yemen, and now in the home country.

00:35:53.000 So they might want to move away from a set of policies that brings this sort of thing on them.

00:36:02.000 Now, if Khamenei remains in power, 86 years old, and if he dominates, I doubt that there will be change.

00:36:13.000 But if he gets pushed aside, everything's open.

00:36:19.000 And there's a very large population in Iran that has never liked this regime.

00:36:24.000 And so there might be an opening in that direction.

00:36:27.000 If there was ever an opportunity for the people of Persia to rise up, I would imagine this would be it. 0.99

00:36:33.000 At least from the outside, they seem remarkably vulnerable.

00:36:36.000 And they're a proud people.

00:36:38.000 They are an ancient power.

00:36:41.000 And despite the spin that the Ayatollah is giving, they were humiliated on the world stage.

00:36:45.000 They had no air defense systems.

00:36:46.000 I mean, two foreign countries had complete control of the skies over Iran.

00:36:50.000 It was a joke.

00:36:51.000 Dr. Ray, we're out of time.

00:36:53.000 Thank you for your time.

00:36:54.000 Final thoughts, 20 seconds, sir.

00:36:56.000 Okay.

00:36:56.000 The Russians and the Chinese are watching, and they're beginning to think maybe we should be a little bit careful.

00:37:05.000 Well said.

00:37:06.000 Be a little bit careful.

00:37:07.000 Donald Trump did not just drop a bomb on Ford.

00:37:10.000 It was a memo of understanding to our enemies that was delivered straight to the desk of Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin.

00:37:18.000 And they took careful notes at the military precision and the willingness of the commander-in-chief.

00:37:23.000 Dr. Ray, thank you so much.

00:37:24.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:37:25.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:37:28.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - June 27, 2025

What is Suicidal Empathy and Is It Destroying the West?

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