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00:02:40.000So, you've been doing this on campuses for a while, kind of similar to what I do, somewhat from a political standpoint, but we're unafraid to talk about the deeper things, more important things.
00:03:18.000And what Charlie does in a way that I've come to respect is because I've been Uh, confronted by more and more this type of issue is he puts Christ at the center.
00:03:28.000And then because of that, you respect your country.
00:03:32.000You're very grateful for what our foremothers and forefathers have done in putting this country together.
00:03:37.000And you want to return it to the Judeo-Christian ethic that was the foundation of this country, even though we're well aware of the fact that many of the founding mothers and fathers were deists.
00:04:48.000Some of the very similar questions, is God a moral monster?
00:04:51.000Slavery, why does God allow suffering?
00:04:54.000All of those are pretty much the same and similar, but I think the growth, again, in pain, Whether that's psychological, relational, oftentimes that's connected to nihilism, because somebody who doesn't believe in God, it's, I have no objective meaning and purpose.
00:05:09.000I came, I was an accident, accidental birth, and I'm going nowhere.
00:05:13.000And my favorite is when I actually see happy nihilists, because it's the biggest contradiction probably out there that we see on college campuses, but literally we will have students come up to us and say, yeah, I'm a nihilist, I have no meaning and purpose in my life, but hey, I'm here, you know, YOLO.
00:05:28.000I'm here for a good time, not a long time.
00:05:30.000And so that's the new narrative I think we see.
00:05:33.000So, do you want to comment on that, Cliff, as far as trends, things you've seen?
00:06:24.000It's very hard to communicate Christ and then also to challenge people to think, okay, what are the ramifications of your belief in Christ, especially politically?
00:07:12.000So that's the kind of thing that we want.
00:07:14.000Now in terms of trends, Charlie, it's been frustrating for me.
00:07:18.00044 years ago, I began to watch the LGBTQ movement begin, just begin.
00:07:24.000And then I watched the LGBTQ movement gather momentum, more momentum, more momentum, until it's become the most highly organized student group often on campus.
00:08:33.000We get invited by different organizations, we show up, they oftentimes will start the crowd, but then it'll gather and grow very quickly.
00:08:40.000Then we go about debate, and then we go about connecting with as many students as possible, but the important part, I think you were kind of getting to there in your second part, is discipleship.
00:08:49.000We don't want to go, sadly, Billy Graham, we're huge Billy Graham fans, but if you look statistically, when he would do his crusades, A very high percentage of people after three weeks would turn away from the faith who went to the altar calls.
00:09:00.000So what we try and do is we make sure these organizations on their outreach nights where we speak at, and that'll have a lot of students show up, but we don't want there just to be an event that we speak at at the end of the week.
00:09:11.000We say, guys, we are here not just to evangelize.
00:09:15.000We need discipleship so these students will stay in the faith and understand what real scripture is.
00:09:22.000When you went to Genesis 22, for example, specific scripture, this is what we need.
00:09:26.000It can't just be this type of higher power.
00:09:28.000Oh yeah, I'm a Christian now, but I just never read the Bible.
00:11:03.000Let's not sit back and act like, oh, I'm a really open-minded, really tolerant person because I say all paths lead to heaven, all paths lead to God.
00:11:48.000He gets pegged for trying just to poke holes and then walk away, but I thought he was genuine.
00:11:53.000I mean, he did ask questions like, will animals be in heaven?
00:11:57.000And, you know, the lion will lie down with the sheep, so I believe that animals will be in heaven, literally.
00:12:02.000He would ask questions like, why Jesus, amongst other religions.
00:12:06.000He said he got burned a few times by Christians who were so judgmental about other faiths.
00:12:14.000And so we dug into that a little bit, but, you know, his mom was sitting there the whole time, and I guess his mom typically doesn't show up, but she showed up for us, and she held her cross out the entire time, kind of pointing it to Logan, pointing it to us.
00:12:29.000And I think that shows her obvious desire to get her sons, him and Jake, really thinking about the faith and moving towards the faith.
00:12:39.000So that was a very, very interesting part of it, because he would really come after him.
00:12:46.000I tried to do more of the emotional connection.
00:12:50.000And yet at the same time, I think at the end of the time, he was a genuine, he was genuinely wrestling, and yet he would turn to his mom and try and, again, push back on her faith.
00:12:59.000So it's fascinating dynamics, but offset yet again, there was still an hour of time where he wanted to connect.
00:13:05.000So, but the... his objection was that Christianity is too true or something?
00:15:08.000And so God is angry because we dehumanize each other, and God has created us not to dehumanize each other, but to respect each other, to love each other.
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00:16:23.000So when you visit campuses, is that the most common sticking point that the path is too narrow?
00:16:28.000If you had to really bring it down, what is the limiting current belief of Gen Z when confronted with the truth that prevents them from accepting Jesus?
00:18:00.000And so therefore, the reason I reject Christ is for a moral reason, and then I hide behind the intellectual reason, but if you push comes to shove.
00:18:08.000I mean, my younger brother went to Princeton University, and at Princeton he used to share Christ with his roommates late into the night.
00:18:14.000Around about midnight he'd turn to his Princeton classmates and say, If you're just going to ask these questions, we'll pull an all-nighter if he's honest.
00:18:21.000But if the real issue is, I want to sleep around, and I want to cheat on my next exam because the pressure to get into med school is intense, then let's be honest.
00:18:28.000And every single time his Princeton classmates would say, Stuart, you're correct.
00:19:00.000And the sex trade traffic, well, you know, it's all relative, so if you're upset about it, fine, but I kind of enjoy it, and truth is relative.
00:19:11.000Because even when you were a little kid, if your sibling got more ice cream in their ice cream bowl than you did in your ice cream bowl, what would you say?
00:19:44.000I take the route, though, of, look, statistically, two guys from Yale wrote this book, Premarital Sex in America, and promiscuity is directly correlated with serious mental health problems, especially for women.
00:19:55.000Men, for some reason, are able to cut off their emotions sexually from the physical side and just live out their physical well-being of shagging any woman they possibly can.
00:20:05.000But there's clear breakdown as well, these Yale authors are writing, showing that there's a drastic increase in divorce if you're sleeping around as well.
00:20:14.000But again, you can go there, but the best answer is making Christ more attractive than just, I'm going to shag the next thing or person with a pulse that I possibly can.
00:20:26.000And if Jesus is more attractive in the way where he says, I love you unconditionally, no matter your failings,
00:20:33.000I offer you grace, you know, it's the whole idea of your job can't die for you.
00:20:37.000Your job, if you find your identity in it, you're going to be ultimately crushed.
00:20:41.000If you find your identity in your wife, you're going to be ultimately crushed.
00:21:03.000But what's so fascinating is that I'll come and talk primarily about politics, but as you well know, I always share the gospel whenever it comes up.
00:21:10.000But inevitably, almost always, if I go and I have a table and what I want to talk about for the day never remains.
00:21:18.000And it could be about immigration, it could be about That there are no genders and two sexes and unlimited personalities, you know, whatever it is.
00:21:26.000Within minutes, they are asking me, well, are you religious?
00:21:32.000Because they have been so trained and conditioned because they want to get down into, well, where is this coming from?
00:21:38.000Because if you're saying something that's true, and they think about it, they say, well, do you think there's a God that's telling you this?
00:21:47.000Because they want a moral license to live as they want to live.
00:21:52.000But what I've found is that almost all of these conversations yield back to some moral standard at some point.
00:22:00.000And many college students and even college professors will deny the fact that there is a moral standard.
00:22:07.000But they're living up to some standard at some point.
00:22:10.000So if someone tells them that murder is wrong, or murder is evil, or theft is wrong, they say, oh, that's just common sense.
00:24:17.000So my question is that first I am not a cessationist and I do think that it is important to study to show yourself approved and I'm curious to know how do we test the spirit and allow God to minister through the apostolic and the prophetic while also studying and ensuring that we do not become super like religious and legalistic.
00:24:36.000So in order to test the spirit you always have to remain tied to scripture as well as prayer and it has to be done humbly.
00:24:45.000Because to your point, you were kind of going there.
00:24:47.000I lead our small groups at our church, and one time, this person stepped into our small group.
00:24:54.000She came from another church, and she said, oh, you guys don't speak in tongues here?
00:25:01.000I speak in tongues, and I got a clear pathway and direct call to God the Father.
00:25:08.000So obviously, the testing of the spirit has to start with the greatest Christian virtue, which I believe is humility.
00:25:15.000And you are asking of Scripture, you're asking of God, but then you have to be in a healthy Christian community, and I believe a small group as well, to hold you accountable to say, yes, you're walking in line with the Spirit, or you're walking in line with the flesh.
00:25:28.000And I love that you went here in terms of the pride issue, too, because I personally believe that when Niebuhr, for example, the great theologian, said that you will grow quickest in going against the Spirit and quickest in pride if you become religious, more so than any atheist.
00:25:46.000Because there's something about religion that if it's in a petri dish, it will make you a person who's fundamentalist and always looking down on others.
00:25:53.000And we see this with the Pharisees, right?
00:25:55.000As opposed to the God of the universe sending his one and only son, becoming a slave, dying on a cross for us, Then we respond in such a way we're walking in light of the Spirit.
00:26:15.000So I was articulated yesterday by a couple of my friends that our country was not founded on Christian principles.
00:26:23.000So I want to see how Like an argument that you guys can give me to combat that.
00:26:29.000So essentially, they articulated to me that our country was taught on common law, because the Declaration only refers to God four times, and the Constitution doesn't refer to God at all, and it only articulates the structure of government.
00:26:43.000And is common law Christian in nature, or is it not?
00:26:53.000Whoever said that doesn't really know what they're talking about.
00:26:55.000So first of all, remember that we were a collection of states and colonies, and you need to read the state constitutions before anything else.
00:27:02.0009 out of 13 of the original states required you to be a Bible-believing Christian to serve in government.
00:27:09.00013 out of 13 required a declaration of faith.
00:27:14.0009 out of 13 required you to be a Protestant, except Maryland, which was Catholic, which still required a declaration of faith.
00:27:20.000In almost every single one of the original state constitutions, Pennsylvania included, they had, I profess Lord and Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior in the original state constitutions.
00:27:30.000So, remember, we're a collection of states before that.
00:27:34.000Secondly, 55 out of 56 of the original signers of the Declaration were Bible-believing, church-attending Christians.
00:27:54.000So and all wrapped into the ultimate biblical principle that you shall not favor justice
00:27:59.000if you are rich or poor, which is in Leviticus 19, right before the most famous part of Leviticus
00:28:03.00019, which is that you should love your neighbors yourself.
00:28:06.000But before that is that in the administration of justice, you shall not favor the rich or
00:28:10.000the poor, which is the idea of blind justice.
00:28:12.000We get that in the West, which is incorporated also in the New Testament ideal.
00:28:16.000neither slave nor Greek nor Jew, you're all one in Jesus Christ,
00:28:18.000which is we got the idea of human equality.
00:28:20.000These are all biblical ideas, they're not enlightenment ideas, which is, they kind of get conflated at the time, but more importantly than that, they say that God was only mentioned four times in the Declaration of Independence, Well, that's a big deal.
00:28:40.000It says in Revelation that Jesus will judge the earth on his throne.
00:28:45.000So in the Declaration, they were praying to Christ our Lord as a prayer, very specifically.
00:28:51.000Thirdly, as I said on stage yesterday, Deuteronomy was by far the most quoted book, religious or non-religious, in the time of the founding when they were putting together the Constitution.
00:29:00.000More than John Locke, more than Montesquieu, more than Blackstone.
00:29:03.000So the Book of Deuteronomy, which talked about laws, customs, traditions.
00:29:07.000It was Moses' farewell address as he's, you know, about to say goodbye.
00:29:12.000Here's how you should set up your form of government.
00:29:14.000But finally, and most importantly, let's look at actually what the founders said.
00:29:19.000John Adams famously said the Constitution was only written for a moral and religious people.
00:29:23.000It was wholly inadequate for the people of any other.
00:29:25.000The body politic of America was so Christian and was so Protestant that our form and structure of government was built for the people that believed in Christ our Lord.
00:29:33.000One of the reasons we're living through a constitutional crisis is that we no longer have a Christian nation, but we have a Christian form of government, and they're incompatible.
00:29:41.000So you cannot have liberty if you do not have a Christian population.
00:29:45.000So, that's just a surface-level belief.
00:29:49.000So then they'll go to the First Amendment, which has two parts of the First Amendment which get conflated.
00:29:54.000First of all, separation of church and state is not in the U.S.
00:29:57.000That is a single letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1807 to the Danbury Baptist Convention in Massachusetts, assuring them that the government would not come after the church, okay, which is the opposite of what they would say.
00:30:07.000However, that was then resurrected by the Warren Court and the Burger Court in the 60s, where they said, hey, you know, all of a sudden, we're now going to make this as if it's the Constitution.
00:30:14.000It does say in the Constitution two things, which is the establishment clause and the free expression clause.
00:30:19.000The establishment clause is that Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
00:30:24.000What they were most worried about was a Presbyterian Or a Anglican or a Quaker-type religion taking over the federal government?
00:30:33.000Instead it was that there is not going to be a state-run religion or a state-run government.
00:30:37.000Did you know that one of the first acts of Congress was taxpayer-funded Bible printing and distribution?
00:30:44.000Did you know that there were church services held in the Supreme Court building as late as the Jackson presidency in the 1820s?
00:30:51.000But going back to this idea of separation of church and state, and again I could riff on this ad nauseum because it's just so ridiculous, right?
00:30:58.000Is that it's not constitutional because you go a layer deeper.
00:31:02.000People that even say that, do you believe in separation of morality and state?
00:31:06.000So all laws are a reflection of morality and all morality comes from somewhere.
00:31:09.000There is no such thing as neutral morality.
00:31:11.000And we believe what the Founders believed, because they put it in the halls of Congress, they put it in the Supreme Court, and they put it all throughout the country, which is that the Decalogue, the Ten Commandments, is the core morality of how a society and a civilization should exist.
00:31:25.000And finally, and this is the kicker, if the Founding Fathers were not Bible-believing Church-faith Christians, why did they put Leviticus on the Liberty Bell?
00:31:34.000Not John, not Psalms, not Proverbs, not Genesis.
00:31:41.000Proclaim liberty throughout the land of which you are in.
00:31:44.000It is one of the most sinister, most unsubstantiated lies that does not come up against any sort of academic scrutiny.
00:31:50.000This idea that founding fathers were a bunch of Enlightenment common law deists.
00:31:54.000The reason they hate it is because if they... The reason they must say this is that if we actually go back to our Christian roots, And we go back to where we once were.
00:32:03.000it's America's best hope for revival and for a great future.
00:33:26.000I'm here with my wife and my younger brother and some of our best friends.
00:33:30.000I know I ran into you two last night, but just want to elaborate on that a little bit about that tragedy and ask a question.
00:33:38.000And Charlie, I haven't had the pleasure of meeting you yet, but we lost our 18-year-old brother back in October to an accident in our front yard.
00:33:48.000And we're constantly told like, oh, you guys might have to move on.
00:33:51.000You guys might need to kind of like put it in the past.
00:33:56.000And we do have really good days where we get to share his story and share the gospel.
00:34:00.000But with those good days, there's also some really, really bad days where anger comes out.
00:34:05.000And I mean, I might get mad at my wife.
00:34:07.000I may get mad at the family, at the kids.
00:34:11.000What's your advice and what do you have to say about how to cope with those really bad days that we have, all of us collectively being really close to him after his loss?
00:34:23.000Alright, I'm really sorry for your loss, brother.
00:35:10.000So now we've got to be patient with each other, right?
00:35:13.000We've got to love each other through the hard times, and it's a hard time you're passing through.
00:35:18.000The most difficult day of my life was when my seven-year-old niece was knocked into an early grave in a horrible car accident, and I had to go out to Madison, Wisconsin, where my brother, who's a transplant surgeon at UW-Madison, was transplanting kidneys and livers.
00:35:33.000And I had to walk with him around a field, Behind his home in Madison, Wisconsin.
00:35:38.000And he's pouring out his heart to me about the death of his seven-year-old daughter.
00:35:44.000And if anybody thinks they got an easy answer for that question, they're nuts.
00:35:49.000The honest answer first is, I do not know why the babysitter didn't see the stop sign, why she went right through the stop sign and a pickup truck at 55 miles an hour came careening down the road, smashing into the car, sending my seven-year-old niece into an early grave.
00:36:06.000I don't know why God allowed that to happen.
00:36:09.000And so therefore we've got to be patient with each other, we've got to love each other, we've got to be committed to each other as we go through these painful, difficult times.
00:37:27.000And I find great comfort that in Philippians 3.10 Paul writes, I want to know Christ and the power of his resurrection and the fellowship of sharing in his suffering.
00:37:37.000Remember, you worship a suffering God who got the snot kicked out of him and he was nailed to a wooden cross.
00:37:49.000And then ultimately, brother, we have the solution to suffering.
00:37:53.000We're going to go through good times, we're going to go through hard times in this life, and you're going through them now, both of them.
00:37:58.000And yet we have the ultimate solution for suffering and death.
00:38:02.000And that solution is eternal life in a heaven where there will be no more stillbirth, no more cancer, no more heart failure, no more little kids getting knocked into early graves by ridiculous car accidents, but eternal life in the presence of God.
00:38:20.000So come on my atheist agnostic friend, let's go into the hospital.
00:38:23.000Come on my atheist agnostic friend, let's go into the room where the baby lies whose body is being shredded by terminal cancer.
00:38:36.000I, as a follower of Christ, walk to the other side of that bed, and I too will hold that child's hand and seek to comfort that child.
00:38:43.000But in Jesus Christ, I've got a suffering God who gives a rip about death, about grieving people, who wants to comfort us and wrap his arms around us.
00:38:53.000That, my friend, is the solution to the very real problem of suffering and death.
00:39:17.000Beautiful explanation earlier about the foundation of our country.
00:39:21.000Under the Trump administration, the 1776 Commission was really focused on instilling patriotism for students.
00:39:30.000And I wanted to know your thoughts on a new agenda.
00:39:32.000I think it's called Project 2025, where many conservative organizations We're focusing on the solution of helping Americans understand the true goal of how our country is supposed to serve us.
00:39:47.000What are your thoughts on that agenda or that project?
00:39:50.000Yeah, we're one of the listed organizations on Project 2025.
00:40:08.000I don't think anyone's going to read it.
00:40:09.000But yes, if the essence is to bring back patriotic education, I was on the 1776 Commission and the first act, Biden gets sworn into office.
00:40:18.000He walks 100 feet into a side room in the halls of Congress, doesn't even wait to get to the White House, and signs an executive order nullifying the 1776 Commission.
00:40:30.000It was within seconds of getting sworn in, which was a commission all about American patriotism, our American founding.
00:40:37.000It was literally the first thing he did as president was to make sure that our kids wouldn't learn to love America.
00:41:07.000And it seems like my pastor friends are all asking the same question.
00:41:11.000So I asked George Barna, I said, what is the solution?
00:41:16.000He said, you think you're losing them in the college years, but you're losing them much earlier.
00:41:22.000The worldview is developed by time they're 11.
00:41:26.000So knowing God designed three institutions, But he gave the responsibility to parents to rear their children.
00:41:34.000How do these three institutions come alongside parents in God's design to help them establish a biblical worldview in their children before they're 11?
00:41:47.000Yes, 75% of Christian high schoolers turn away from the faith when they go to college.
00:41:54.000Fortunately, 40% come back after college, but that 75% is astronomical in my mind.
00:42:01.000And the reason why we go after college students is because they weren't prepared, like you put beautifully, they weren't prepared by their parents in high school.
00:42:12.000And that's not just because they weren't given the intellectual tools to defend their faith, That is one of the biggest, but it's also often because their parents didn't just, they didn't mentor them, especially the father of the household.
00:42:25.000They didn't mentor their child, and they didn't show their child what objective right and wrong is.
00:42:32.000The reason why 80% of pastors' kids turn away from the faith and never come back to the faith is because their fathers, who are the pastors usually, spend more time with the congregants than they do their kids, and they also don't practice what they preach.
00:42:46.000I'm fortunately one of the 20% who has retained my faith because my dad has done a fantastic job practicing what he preaches and spending a ton of time with us.
00:42:55.000He actually was invited by endless amounts of organizations to speak all over the country and internationally, but he chose, because of his love for me and my brothers, to actually become a pastor and to spend time with us and not just leave us and travel all over the country and internationally.
00:43:11.000So I think it starts with the father, absolutely the mother, and it starts with that mentoring process, loving them and giving them a firm foundation of what is true, right, and wrong, like the founders of our country clearly did.
00:43:23.000With liberalism now, you clearly see that there's no objective right and wrong, so what do they do?
00:43:27.000They come out screaming, and they don't even know what they're screaming about.
00:43:31.000They don't know what's right or wrong, they're just screaming, and sometimes it'll be their own sexual identity, other times it'll be, oh yeah, drug use is healthy for you, and they just go on and on down the line, and it just becomes a total, excuse my language, poop show.
00:43:46.000I won't speak to the government side and some of these other institutions because this is our kind of lane, but really loving mentoring and then giving the intellectual tools to defend their faith, which is not that hard because in the philosophical realm, about 50% now, and it's growing, of philosophers at the top schools are saying there is a God.
00:44:16.000Even in the Bible Belt schools, like we were just at Mississippi State.
00:44:19.000Some of the nicest professors I talked to, and yet they were secular liberals in the Bible Belt.
00:44:25.000And they were in the religious departments saying, oh no, maybe there's a higher power, but let's be agnostic.
00:44:31.000So pushing back against them is important.
00:44:32.000I would just say this, that we need, and it's very fixable, we need a renaissance of homeschooling and not just sending your kids to private school, but homeschooling itself.
00:44:43.000The excuses people give to not homeschool is the following, is that I don't know how to do it.
00:45:04.000If you're willing for you or your kid to go into debt to send them to college, why would you not be willing to go into debt to homeschool your kid?
00:45:15.000Because they're willing to send their kid to go study North African lesbian poetry at Arizona State University.
00:45:22.000But they're not willing to make financial sacrifices so that they could educate their kids.
00:45:26.000And the third thing is that, and I know this doesn't fall into anyone at this conference, but the general population, parents are lazy today.
00:45:45.000And we're seeing the ramifications of that.
00:45:48.000Can I just add, how would you respond to, because I'm a pretty strong believer in this, 1929, what happens when the obvious biblical homeschool movement occurred and we left the halls of power at the big universities because we were terrified all of a sudden, Christian parents especially, more the fundamentalists of Darwinism, evolutionism.
00:46:07.000I mean, how do you balance, because I was homeschooled through the sixth grade, but how do you take this balance of, let's congregate together, grow our faith, But then make sure we don't do what we did in 1929 and get terrified of the culture and lose power in the halls of power.
00:46:22.000Yeah, I, I'm a big believer that up to a certain age, the child should be protected and nurtured.
00:46:30.000Sixth grade might be the right time, but I wouldn't put an eight year old in a government school.
00:46:36.000And so in the current, in the current configuration, I think that it's okay for us to domicile our children away from the current culture, but prepare them that they're going to be going to war.
00:46:52.000And so I think both can be equally true.
00:46:55.000And once they get sent out, they must be really deep in their faith and understand what's coming to them.
00:47:02.000Because it's not a matter of cloistering them for the rest of their life, but protecting the innocence of a child is biblical, it's necessary.
00:47:10.000You know, we have, we've seen the ramifications of throwing these kids to the lions.
00:47:15.000As you say, by 11, their worldview is formed.
00:47:18.000Sixth grade is 13 years old, 12, 13 years old, right?
00:47:21.000So, that's probably a good cutoff there.