The Charlie Kirk Show - What Keeps Gen-Z Away From Christ? ft. Cliffe and Stuart Knechtle

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00:01:27.000 Cliff and Stuart Connect, the welcome guys.

00:01:28.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:01:30.000 So, uh, for some audience members that might not be aware, introduce yourselves.

00:01:35.000 All right, so I'm Stuart Keneckley.

00:01:37.000 I am Associate Pastor at Grace Community Church in New Canaan, Connecticut.

00:01:41.000 I get the pleasure of working with this guy.

00:01:43.000 He's nice enough to have me on his team.

00:01:45.000 And then we also do apologetics, outreach evangelism together on university campuses across the country.

00:01:53.000 And sometimes I notice we overlap, like UT, I think where you got the water bottle thrown at you, like the Westmall Steps right there.

00:02:00.000 He's been there for like 55 years.

00:02:01.000 Thanks a lot.

00:02:04.000 And then we combine those together.

00:02:06.000 So I've got a Master's in Psychology and Divinity.

00:02:09.000 So I try and use those to really do outreach at our church and beyond.

00:02:13.000 So that's kind of where I'm from.

00:02:15.000 And you've been doing this for 42 years, yeah?

00:02:17.000 Easy, Charlie.

00:02:19.000 He's got the numbers down.

00:02:20.000 You're right.

00:02:20.000 I'm getting up there.

00:02:23.000 I'm Cliff Keneckley. 0.95

00:02:24.000 I'm an obnoxious twit who the Holy Spirit is changing.

00:02:26.000 And I try and combine the grace and love and truth of Christ and communicate it on university campuses. 0.81

00:02:34.000 And at the church where Stuart and I get to pastor, and I get to be this guy's dad, so I'm an awful proud dad.

00:02:40.000 That's amazing.

00:02:40.000 So, you've been doing this on campuses for a while, kind of similar to what I do, somewhat from a political standpoint, but we're unafraid to talk about the deeper things, more important things.

00:02:53.000 Talk about that.

00:02:53.000 I mean, that's... Yeah, sure I will.

00:02:55.000 You know why I like him?

00:02:58.000 Because he hasn't made the mistake of elevating politics over faith in Christ.

00:03:03.000 Obviously we can slip into a type of nationalism that is ra-ra-ra country and leave God out of the equation. 0.65

00:03:16.000 That is lethal.

00:03:18.000 And what Charlie does in a way that I've come to respect is because I've been Uh, confronted by more and more this type of issue is he puts Christ at the center.

00:03:27.000 God is the basis of your worldview.

00:03:28.000 And then because of that, you respect your country.

00:03:32.000 You're very grateful for what our foremothers and forefathers have done in putting this country together.

00:03:37.000 And you want to return it to the Judeo-Christian ethic that was the foundation of this country, even though we're well aware of the fact that many of the founding mothers and fathers were deists.

00:03:46.000 And no, we're not deists.

00:03:47.000 We believe in a personal God who's involved in our lives today, not in a distant God who remains aloof.

00:03:53.000 So we disagree with Thomas Jefferson, with the Jeffersonian Bible.

00:03:57.000 But we're very grateful for the Judeo-Christian ethics that our forefathers and foremothers held to so tightly.

00:04:03.000 Well, thank you for that.

00:04:04.000 And so, have you seen, let's just talk in the last couple of years, both of you visiting campuses.

00:04:11.000 Be interesting to hear you say, what are you hearing?

00:04:13.000 What are you seeing?

00:04:14.000 Have things changed in recent years?

00:04:17.000 Talk about trends.

00:04:18.000 I think our audience would be interested in that.

00:04:21.000 So, 30 years ago, I was a little young, but from what I hear, it was, is there truth?

00:04:28.000 And then 20 years ago, it was, okay, there's truth, maybe lowercase, Maybe uppercase, but what is this truth?

00:04:35.000 Let's have a dialogue.

00:04:36.000 Today it's, all right, I'm in a lot of pain.

00:04:38.000 I think you may have mentioned it in one of your talks.

00:04:41.000 Divorce rates, death from despair, depression, anxiety, skyrocketing.

00:04:46.000 And so that's the trend I've seen.

00:04:48.000 Some of the very similar questions, is God a moral monster?

00:04:51.000 Slavery, why does God allow suffering?

00:04:54.000 All of those are pretty much the same and similar, but I think the growth, again, in pain, Whether that's psychological, relational, oftentimes that's connected to nihilism, because somebody who doesn't believe in God, it's, I have no objective meaning and purpose.

00:05:09.000 I came, I was an accident, accidental birth, and I'm going nowhere.

00:05:13.000 And my favorite is when I actually see happy nihilists, because it's the biggest contradiction probably out there that we see on college campuses, but literally we will have students come up to us and say, yeah, I'm a nihilist, I have no meaning and purpose in my life, but hey, I'm here, you know, YOLO.

00:05:28.000 I'm here for a good time, not a long time.

00:05:30.000 And so that's the new narrative I think we see.

00:05:33.000 So, do you want to comment on that, Cliff, as far as trends, things you've seen?

00:05:37.000 Yes, sure.

00:05:38.000 And talk about the process of how you do this on campuses.

00:05:42.000 I'd just be personally interested to hear that.

00:05:44.000 Yvette, I am not here to butter him up, okay?

00:05:48.000 In fact, I don't like talking about people, alright?

00:05:50.000 But guys, for 44 years, I've been standing up on university campuses, dialoguing with students.

00:05:57.000 Now, I am committed to pointing people to God's existence.

00:06:02.000 Therefore, morality is not subjective.

00:06:05.000 There are few moral absolutes.

00:06:07.000 Therefore, the logical conclusion is not despair.

00:06:10.000 There's hope.

00:06:11.000 Because there's a God who has eternal life in heaven for all who trust in his son Jesus.

00:06:16.000 Alright?

00:06:16.000 Now, I don't feel comfortable going into the political arena.

00:06:22.000 That's why I respect what he's doing.

00:06:24.000 It's very hard to communicate Christ and then also to challenge people to think, okay, what are the ramifications of your belief in Christ, especially politically?

00:06:34.000 Especially culturally?

00:06:35.000 That gets real hard.

00:06:37.000 And one of the reasons it's hard is because we don't all agree.

00:06:41.000 Right?

00:06:41.000 You go around in this room and I don't think we're all going to agree on everything.

00:06:44.000 That's where tolerance comes in.

00:06:46.000 Tolerance is not an atheist and I agree. 0.86

00:06:48.000 No, we don't agree.

00:06:51.000 Tolerance is, although you are an atheist, I respect you, and we're going to have an intelligent dialogue.

00:06:55.000 Now that's what he does, and that's what we try and do.

00:06:58.000 Intelligent dialogue.

00:07:00.000 Guys, that's what a liberal arts education is all about.

00:07:02.000 A free exchange of ideas where we don't necessarily agree, but we communicate respectfully, and we explain why we believe what we believe.

00:07:09.000 What's the evidence?

00:07:10.000 Whatever it is you believe is true.

00:07:12.000 So that's the kind of thing that we want.

00:07:14.000 Now in terms of trends, Charlie, it's been frustrating for me.

00:07:18.000 44 years ago, I began to watch the LGBTQ movement begin, just begin.

00:07:24.000 And then I watched the LGBTQ movement gather momentum, more momentum, more momentum, until it's become the most highly organized student group often on campus.

00:07:34.000 It's embarrassing, guys.

00:07:36.000 It's embarrassing.

00:07:38.000 So that's why we have to get it into gear, think about it, and that's why I'm so grateful for the emphasis here.

00:07:43.000 You gotta vote.

00:07:44.000 You gotta put it on the mat.

00:07:47.000 Get out there, wrestle with these issues.

00:07:50.000 And the most important thing is always Jesus.

00:07:53.000 The second most important thing is making sure that we could talk about Jesus and worship Jesus,

00:07:57.000 which is increasingly more difficult.

00:07:59.000 So talk about the process.

00:08:01.000 You guys set up a table on campus.

00:08:03.000 People come up and talk to you.

00:08:05.000 For the audience that might not be aware.

00:08:08.000 Yeah, so we've never set up a table.

00:08:10.000 We get invited by different student organizations and we go.

00:08:14.000 Back in the day, he would have to start, which is, that's the bold part, right?

00:08:18.000 You have to speak and somehow find a way to get people to stop and actually engage.

00:08:22.000 But now, thankfully, God has used social media in a big way.

00:08:26.000 So when we go, there's already a very big crowd, even at very secular schools like UConn.

00:08:31.000 Very hostile crowd.

00:08:32.000 So that's how we start.

00:08:33.000 We get invited by different organizations, we show up, they oftentimes will start the crowd, but then it'll gather and grow very quickly.

00:08:40.000 Then we go about debate, and then we go about connecting with as many students as possible, but the important part, I think you were kind of getting to there in your second part, is discipleship.

00:08:49.000 We don't want to go, sadly, Billy Graham, we're huge Billy Graham fans, but if you look statistically, when he would do his crusades, A very high percentage of people after three weeks would turn away from the faith who went to the altar calls.

00:09:00.000 So what we try and do is we make sure these organizations on their outreach nights where we speak at, and that'll have a lot of students show up, but we don't want there just to be an event that we speak at at the end of the week.

00:09:11.000 We say, guys, we are here not just to evangelize.

00:09:15.000 We need discipleship so these students will stay in the faith and understand what real scripture is.

00:09:22.000 When you went to Genesis 22, for example, specific scripture, this is what we need.

00:09:26.000 It can't just be this type of higher power.

00:09:28.000 Oh yeah, I'm a Christian now, but I just never read the Bible.

00:09:31.000 So that's part of the process.

00:09:34.000 It's very important.

00:09:36.000 You went on Logan Paul's podcast, which I'm sure you got a couple emails and things from that.

00:09:41.000 Talk about that experience.

00:09:42.000 What an amazing way that God used you to reach a population that has not heard the gospel.

00:09:50.000 All right, so here's some of the challenges.

00:09:52.000 I really respect Logan Paul.

00:09:54.000 He began our time together by saying, I am not a Christian, but maybe by the end of this podcast I will be.

00:10:01.000 No pressure.

00:10:02.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:03.000 I mean, that kind of honesty and vulnerability.

00:10:05.000 Goodness gracious, that's cool.

00:10:08.000 I found him to be a very nice guy, and it was fascinating, his sticking point.

00:10:12.000 His sticking point was, you got to be kidding me.

00:10:15.000 Good Jews and good Muslims and good Hindus, they need to accept Christ? 1.00

00:10:20.000 I mean, that just is too narrow.

00:10:22.000 That's just too bigoted.

00:10:23.000 It's too intolerant.

00:10:25.000 And so what I was trying to help him see was, if I say that every path leads to God, that's a truth claim.

00:10:32.000 I'm saying the majority of Muslims, the majority of humanity, which is Muslims, Christians, and Jews, they're wrong! 1.00

00:10:39.000 Every path leads to heaven.

00:10:40.000 That's a truth claim.

00:10:42.000 If I say to you, half the religions and philosophies of the world lead to heaven, that's a truth claim.

00:10:47.000 I'm saying half are right and half are wrong.

00:10:49.000 That is a truth claim.

00:10:50.000 And when Jesus says, I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me, that's also a truth claim.

00:10:56.000 He's saying, you've got to put your faith in me.

00:10:59.000 I am the way to heaven.

00:11:00.000 So let's be real honest.

00:11:02.000 We all make truth claims.

00:11:03.000 Let's not sit back and act like, oh, I'm a really open-minded, really tolerant person because I say all paths lead to heaven, all paths lead to God.

00:11:13.000 No.

00:11:14.000 You're making a truth claim.

00:11:15.000 And I can promise you, if I say that 1 plus 1 equals 2, I'm not necessarily being arrogant.

00:11:20.000 Now, I might be arrogant.

00:11:22.000 But just to make a truth claim does not mean you're being arrogant and intolerant.

00:11:26.000 It means, this is my take on reality.

00:11:29.000 You better ask me, what's the evidence that your take on reality is true?

00:11:33.000 And I'm going to ask you the same question.

00:11:34.000 And what is your take on reality?

00:11:37.000 What's the evidence that your take on reality is true?

00:11:39.000 So kind of tell us about the discussion you had with him.

00:11:43.000 Either one of you, the response that you received.

00:11:46.000 I thought he was really genuine.

00:11:48.000 He gets pegged for trying just to poke holes and then walk away, but I thought he was genuine.

00:11:53.000 I mean, he did ask questions like, will animals be in heaven?

00:11:57.000 And, you know, the lion will lie down with the sheep, so I believe that animals will be in heaven, literally.

00:12:02.000 He would ask questions like, why Jesus, amongst other religions.

00:12:06.000 He said he got burned a few times by Christians who were so judgmental about other faiths.

00:12:14.000 And so we dug into that a little bit, but, you know, his mom was sitting there the whole time, and I guess his mom typically doesn't show up, but she showed up for us, and she held her cross out the entire time, kind of pointing it to Logan, pointing it to us.

00:12:29.000 And I think that shows her obvious desire to get her sons, him and Jake, really thinking about the faith and moving towards the faith.

00:12:39.000 So that was a very, very interesting part of it, because he would really come after him.

00:12:45.000 He mainly really went after you.

00:12:46.000 I tried to do more of the emotional connection.

00:12:50.000 And yet at the same time, I think at the end of the time, he was a genuine, he was genuinely wrestling, and yet he would turn to his mom and try and, again, push back on her faith.

00:12:59.000 So it's fascinating dynamics, but offset yet again, there was still an hour of time where he wanted to connect.

00:13:05.000 So, but the... his objection was that Christianity is too true or something?

00:13:11.000 Or that... Too narrow.

00:13:12.000 Too narrow, yeah.

00:13:13.000 I'm being facetious.

00:13:15.000 I mean, like, too narrow?

00:13:17.000 I don't...

00:13:18.000 Alright, well, Logan has a problem with God being angry.

00:13:21.000 And guess what?

00:13:22.000 What would that... apparently he's just saying that God, no way that God would allow this

00:13:27.000 to happen, that God would not send a son?

00:13:31.000 Or what would his...

00:13:32.000 Because I didn't watch the entire interview.

00:13:34.000 Alright, who here has a problem with the idea of God being angry?

00:13:40.000 Alright, well, Logan has a problem with God being angry.

00:13:44.000 And guess what?

00:13:45.000 So do a lot of Americans.

00:13:46.000 You know, God is love.

00:13:48.000 God doesn't get angry.

00:13:50.000 The wrath of God?

00:13:51.000 I mean, how primitive.

00:13:52.000 You really believe that?

00:13:54.000 Yeah, I sure do believe that.

00:13:55.000 You know why?

00:13:55.000 Because I promise you, that if one of you kidnaps one of my little granddaughters, I'm gonna be real angry.

00:14:03.000 And guess what?

00:14:04.000 If I'm not angry, my granddaughter doesn't matter to me.

00:14:09.000 If you matter to me, and someone pulls out a knife and sticks it in your chest, and I say, uh, come on Charlie, we're Starbucks.

00:14:17.000 Let's be real honest, you don't matter to me. 0.87

00:14:21.000 I don't give a rip about you. 0.97

00:14:24.000 If I love you, and someone pulls out a knife and sticks it in your chest, I'm gonna be royally angry. 0.97

00:14:29.000 Not with a selfish anger, but with a righteous indignation. 0.97

00:14:33.000 Is God angry?

00:14:34.000 Yes he is.

00:14:35.000 Not with a selfish anger.

00:14:37.000 Oh, you've offended me.

00:14:38.000 Oh, you rained on my party.

00:14:40.000 No, none of that.

00:14:41.000 With a righteous indignation of how we dehumanize each other, that's sin.

00:14:46.000 Racism is dehumanizing.

00:14:48.000 Sexism is dehumanizing.

00:14:51.000 Sexually exploiting someone is dehumanizing. 0.98

00:14:54.000 She's not a Barbie doll.

00:14:56.000 She's a human being created in the image of God.

00:14:58.000 Don't use her sexually.

00:15:01.000 Greed. 0.99

00:15:02.000 Dehumanizing.

00:15:04.000 Your money's more important than you are.

00:15:05.000 I want your money.

00:15:06.000 Coveting.

00:15:07.000 Dehumanizing.

00:15:08.000 And so God is angry because we dehumanize each other, and God has created us not to dehumanize each other, but to respect each other, to love each other.

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00:16:23.000 So when you visit campuses, is that the most common sticking point that the path is too narrow?

00:16:28.000 If you had to really bring it down, what is the limiting current belief of Gen Z when confronted with the truth that prevents them from accepting Jesus?

00:16:37.000 What would that be?

00:16:38.000 Yeah, moral relativism.

00:16:39.000 For sure.

00:16:40.000 And this white, western, adopted philosophy which is all religions are true and how dare you say that you have the right religion. 0.96

00:16:48.000 So they will say, look at the elephant.

00:16:51.000 Look at all paths lead up to the mountaintop.

00:16:53.000 So all religions are just grabbing. 1.00

00:16:55.000 One's grabbing the ear.

00:16:56.000 One's grabbing the foot of the elephant.

00:16:57.000 One's grabbing the trunk.

00:16:58.000 And see, you guys are all just grabbing part of God.

00:17:01.000 And yet what they don't get is, well those people are blind so they don't realize they're grabbing parts of the elephant.

00:17:07.000 Well, okay, then someone has tremendous vigilance and spiritual superiority to say, I'm the one who's not blind.

00:17:17.000 And I see Charlie grabbing the trunk, so he's Buddhist. 1.00

00:17:20.000 I see Cliff grabbing the foot, so he's Hindu. 1.00

00:17:23.000 So you guys are all idiots. 1.00

00:17:25.000 All gods are the same. 1.00

00:17:26.000 What you don't realize is you are not only spiritually elitist, But you are also rejecting the exclusive truth claims of 95% of the world.

00:17:38.000 That's one of the biggest challenges.

00:17:39.000 Would you agree with that?

00:17:40.000 Is that the core objection you receive?

00:17:43.000 Yeah, and let's be real honest.

00:17:45.000 I think it really comes down to, I want to sleep with whoever I want to sleep with.

00:17:48.000 Well, that's a separate issue though.

00:17:50.000 Meaning that they won't believe it if it's true.

00:17:53.000 That's Frank Turek's line, would you believe Christianity if it was true? 0.99

00:17:57.000 And most people would not, because it would change their life.

00:17:59.000 Correct.

00:18:00.000 And so therefore, the reason I reject Christ is for a moral reason, and then I hide behind the intellectual reason, but if you push comes to shove.

00:18:08.000 I mean, my younger brother went to Princeton University, and at Princeton he used to share Christ with his roommates late into the night.

00:18:14.000 Around about midnight he'd turn to his Princeton classmates and say, If you're just going to ask these questions, we'll pull an all-nighter if he's honest.

00:18:21.000 But if the real issue is, I want to sleep around, and I want to cheat on my next exam because the pressure to get into med school is intense, then let's be honest.

00:18:28.000 And every single time his Princeton classmates would say, Stuart, you're correct.

00:18:31.000 This is not an intellectual problem.

00:18:32.000 It's a moral issue.

00:18:34.000 And he would say, guys, wait, we don't have to pull an all-nighter.

00:18:36.000 Have a good night's sleep.

00:18:36.000 Good night.

00:18:38.000 So then, how then do you overcome that, if at all?

00:18:42.000 I think it's, for me, it's getting rather simple the older I get.

00:18:49.000 You know, morality's relative, which means the guy who took a whack at President Trump and killed another guy, it's all relative.

00:18:58.000 That's his definition of truth.

00:19:00.000 And the sex trade traffic, well, you know, it's all relative, so if you're upset about it, fine, but I kind of enjoy it, and truth is relative.

00:19:09.000 You know something?

00:19:09.000 You can't live that out.

00:19:11.000 Because even when you were a little kid, if your sibling got more ice cream in their ice cream bowl than you did in your ice cream bowl, what would you say?

00:19:19.000 Oh, that's cool?

00:19:20.000 You'd say, that's not fair.

00:19:20.000 No.

00:19:22.000 And if you're married, and your spouse takes a whack at you, you don't say, oh, that felt good, honey, why don't you do that again?

00:19:29.000 No, you say, you should not do that.

00:19:31.000 You ought not to do that.

00:19:33.000 It is impossible to live out moral relativism.

00:19:36.000 Doesn't work.

00:19:37.000 Do you find that to be persuasive to the students you talk to?

00:19:42.000 I take a different route.

00:19:42.000 That's probably the better route.

00:19:44.000 I take the route, though, of, look, statistically, two guys from Yale wrote this book, Premarital Sex in America, and promiscuity is directly correlated with serious mental health problems, especially for women.

00:19:55.000 Men, for some reason, are able to cut off their emotions sexually from the physical side and just live out their physical well-being of shagging any woman they possibly can.

00:20:05.000 But there's clear breakdown as well, these Yale authors are writing, showing that there's a drastic increase in divorce if you're sleeping around as well.

00:20:14.000 But again, you can go there, but the best answer is making Christ more attractive than just, I'm going to shag the next thing or person with a pulse that I possibly can.

00:20:26.000 And if Jesus is more attractive in the way where he says, I love you unconditionally, no matter your failings,

00:20:33.000 I offer you grace, you know, it's the whole idea of your job can't die for you.

00:20:37.000 Your job, if you find your identity in it, you're going to be ultimately crushed.

00:20:41.000 If you find your identity in your wife, you're going to be ultimately crushed.

00:20:45.000 Augustine's Ordered Loves.

00:20:46.000 If you put God at the top, you will live a life of incredible flourishing.

00:20:52.000 So that's kind of where we're going.

00:20:53.000 Yeah, and I want to get to some questions here in a second.

00:20:56.000 I visit college campuses as you guys do.

00:20:58.000 And I get the spicier encounters at times. 0.94

00:21:01.000 I'm sure you guys get them as well.

00:21:03.000 But what's so fascinating is that I'll come and talk primarily about politics, but as you well know, I always share the gospel whenever it comes up.

00:21:10.000 But inevitably, almost always, if I go and I have a table and what I want to talk about for the day never remains.

00:21:18.000 And it could be about immigration, it could be about That there are no genders and two sexes and unlimited personalities, you know, whatever it is. 0.63

00:21:26.000 Within minutes, they are asking me, well, are you religious?

00:21:32.000 Because they have been so trained and conditioned because they want to get down into, well, where is this coming from?

00:21:38.000 Because if you're saying something that's true, and they think about it, they say, well, do you think there's a God that's telling you this?

00:21:47.000 Because they want a moral license to live as they want to live.

00:21:52.000 But what I've found is that almost all of these conversations yield back to some moral standard at some point.

00:22:00.000 And many college students and even college professors will deny the fact that there is a moral standard.

00:22:07.000 But they're living up to some standard at some point.

00:22:10.000 So if someone tells them that murder is wrong, or murder is evil, or theft is wrong, they say, oh, that's just common sense.

00:22:16.000 We just know that.

00:22:18.000 I know that murder is wrong.

00:22:19.000 I understand that.

00:22:20.000 So why do we have so many murderers, then, if everyone knows that it's wrong?

00:22:23.000 So do you guys encounter that as well, that it gets down to the deeper issues rather quickly?

00:22:30.000 Yes, it definitely gets down to the deeper issues rather quickly when you have the privilege of talking with thinking people.

00:22:36.000 And people have to think.

00:22:38.000 I mean, I'm very grateful that over 290 times in the Gospels, Jesus asks questions.

00:22:44.000 And this whole idea that faith is anti-intellectual, faith is anti-rational, faith is anti-logical, that's a naive, blind faith.

00:22:54.000 And Christ does not call us to a naive, blind faith.

00:22:57.000 Does he call us to something you can prove?

00:23:00.000 No.

00:23:01.000 To prove means to show it cannot be another way.

00:23:04.000 I can't prove, Charlie, that I'm not just a bad dream you're having right now.

00:23:07.000 Maybe your eyesight is flipping out on you and you're having this weird dream of Cliff.

00:23:11.000 So I can't prove it, but the overwhelming evidence is you and I are having this conversation now.

00:23:15.000 That's why we behave the way we do.

00:23:18.000 So, we've got to use our minds and ask ourselves, what does the evidence point to as being true?

00:23:25.000 I do not think the universe is religiously ambiguous.

00:23:29.000 I think God has left more than enough evidence for any thinking person to believe in him.

00:23:35.000 That's why anthropology shows us that around the world, every culture has some type of religion.

00:23:40.000 Yeah, atheism is the vast minority of a New Age belief.

00:23:44.000 Oh yeah.

00:23:45.000 So, Daisy, let's start doing some questions here.

00:23:47.000 First, just plug how people can support you.

00:23:50.000 Oh, yeah.

00:23:51.000 Okay, so Instagram, it's just Stuart Connectley.

00:23:54.000 So Stuart underscore Connectley is to U-A-R-T and then K-N-E-C-H-T-L-E.

00:23:59.000 And then TikTok is Stuart Connectley.

00:24:01.000 And then YouTube, our main channel is Give Me an Answer with Stuart and Cliff Connectley.

00:24:06.000 So those are our main three.

00:24:07.000 So thank you for the support.

00:24:09.000 We haven't started a podcast yet.

00:24:11.000 You got to do that.

00:24:12.000 All right.

00:24:12.000 Yes, ma'am.

00:24:13.000 Hi, my name is Jordan.

00:24:15.000 Huge fan.

00:24:17.000 So my question is that first I am not a cessationist and I do think that it is important to study to show yourself approved and I'm curious to know how do we test the spirit and allow God to minister through the apostolic and the prophetic while also studying and ensuring that we do not become super like religious and legalistic.

00:24:36.000 So in order to test the spirit you always have to remain tied to scripture as well as prayer and it has to be done humbly.

00:24:45.000 Because to your point, you were kind of going there.

00:24:47.000 I lead our small groups at our church, and one time, this person stepped into our small group.

00:24:54.000 She came from another church, and she said, oh, you guys don't speak in tongues here?

00:24:58.000 You guys are barely believers.

00:24:59.000 You're baby believers.

00:25:01.000 I speak in tongues, and I got a clear pathway and direct call to God the Father.

00:25:08.000 So obviously, the testing of the spirit has to start with the greatest Christian virtue, which I believe is humility.

00:25:15.000 And you are asking of Scripture, you're asking of God, but then you have to be in a healthy Christian community, and I believe a small group as well, to hold you accountable to say, yes, you're walking in line with the Spirit, or you're walking in line with the flesh.

00:25:28.000 And I love that you went here in terms of the pride issue, too, because I personally believe that when Niebuhr, for example, the great theologian, said that you will grow quickest in going against the Spirit and quickest in pride if you become religious, more so than any atheist.

00:25:46.000 Because there's something about religion that if it's in a petri dish, it will make you a person who's fundamentalist and always looking down on others.

00:25:53.000 And we see this with the Pharisees, right?

00:25:55.000 As opposed to the God of the universe sending his one and only son, becoming a slave, dying on a cross for us, Then we respond in such a way we're walking in light of the Spirit.

00:26:06.000 Next question.

00:26:07.000 Yes.

00:26:08.000 It's awesome to have so, you know, so many goats in the same room.

00:26:11.000 So thank you for being here.

00:26:15.000 So I was articulated yesterday by a couple of my friends that our country was not founded on Christian principles.

00:26:23.000 So I want to see how Like an argument that you guys can give me to combat that.

00:26:29.000 So essentially, they articulated to me that our country was taught on common law, because the Declaration only refers to God four times, and the Constitution doesn't refer to God at all, and it only articulates the structure of government.

00:26:43.000 And is common law Christian in nature, or is it not?

00:26:50.000 I can take it first.

00:26:53.000 Whoever said that doesn't really know what they're talking about.

00:26:55.000 So first of all, remember that we were a collection of states and colonies, and you need to read the state constitutions before anything else.

00:27:02.000 9 out of 13 of the original states required you to be a Bible-believing Christian to serve in government.

00:27:08.000 At the time of the founding.

00:27:09.000 13 out of 13 required a declaration of faith.

00:27:14.000 9 out of 13 required you to be a Protestant, except Maryland, which was Catholic, which still required a declaration of faith.

00:27:20.000 In almost every single one of the original state constitutions, Pennsylvania included, they had, I profess Lord and Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior in the original state constitutions.

00:27:30.000 So, remember, we're a collection of states before that.

00:27:34.000 Secondly, 55 out of 56 of the original signers of the Declaration were Bible-believing, church-attending Christians.

00:27:39.000 You ask about common law.

00:27:40.000 So common law is inherited from Blackstone, who was Christian.

00:27:44.000 Common law is an outgrowth of the scriptures.

00:27:46.000 So let's go to three principles of common law.

00:27:48.000 presumption of innocence, due process, and jury of your peers.

00:27:52.000 All three are biblical principles.

00:27:54.000 So and all wrapped into the ultimate biblical principle that you shall not favor justice

00:27:59.000 if you are rich or poor, which is in Leviticus 19, right before the most famous part of Leviticus

00:28:03.000 19, which is that you should love your neighbors yourself.

00:28:06.000 But before that is that in the administration of justice, you shall not favor the rich or

00:28:10.000 the poor, which is the idea of blind justice.

00:28:12.000 We get that in the West, which is incorporated also in the New Testament ideal.

00:28:16.000 neither slave nor Greek nor Jew, you're all one in Jesus Christ,

00:28:18.000 which is we got the idea of human equality.

00:28:20.000 These are all biblical ideas, they're not enlightenment ideas, which is, they kind of get conflated at the time, but more importantly than that, they say that God was only mentioned four times in the Declaration of Independence, Well, that's a big deal.

00:28:30.000 Okay.

00:28:31.000 Laws of nature and nature's God.

00:28:32.000 The last paragraph of the Declaration reads as a prayer.

00:28:35.000 It says, we appeal to the supreme judge of the universe.

00:28:39.000 Who's the judge of the universe?

00:28:40.000 Jesus Christ.

00:28:40.000 It says in Revelation that Jesus will judge the earth on his throne.

00:28:45.000 So in the Declaration, they were praying to Christ our Lord as a prayer, very specifically.

00:28:51.000 Thirdly, as I said on stage yesterday, Deuteronomy was by far the most quoted book, religious or non-religious, in the time of the founding when they were putting together the Constitution.

00:29:00.000 More than John Locke, more than Montesquieu, more than Blackstone.

00:29:03.000 So the Book of Deuteronomy, which talked about laws, customs, traditions.

00:29:07.000 It was Moses' farewell address as he's, you know, about to say goodbye.

00:29:10.000 Say, hey, good luck in Canaan, guys.

00:29:12.000 Here's how you should set up your form of government.

00:29:14.000 But finally, and most importantly, let's look at actually what the founders said.

00:29:19.000 John Adams famously said the Constitution was only written for a moral and religious people.

00:29:23.000 It was wholly inadequate for the people of any other. 0.60

00:29:25.000 The body politic of America was so Christian and was so Protestant that our form and structure of government was built for the people that believed in Christ our Lord.

00:29:33.000 One of the reasons we're living through a constitutional crisis is that we no longer have a Christian nation, but we have a Christian form of government, and they're incompatible. 0.95

00:29:41.000 So you cannot have liberty if you do not have a Christian population. 1.00

00:29:45.000 So, that's just a surface-level belief.

00:29:49.000 So then they'll go to the First Amendment, which has two parts of the First Amendment which get conflated.

00:29:54.000 First of all, separation of church and state is not in the U.S.

00:29:56.000 Constitution.

00:29:57.000 That is a single letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1807 to the Danbury Baptist Convention in Massachusetts, assuring them that the government would not come after the church, okay, which is the opposite of what they would say.

00:30:07.000 However, that was then resurrected by the Warren Court and the Burger Court in the 60s, where they said, hey, you know, all of a sudden, we're now going to make this as if it's the Constitution.

00:30:14.000 It does say in the Constitution two things, which is the establishment clause and the free expression clause.

00:30:19.000 The establishment clause is that Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

00:30:24.000 What they were most worried about was a Presbyterian Or a Anglican or a Quaker-type religion taking over the federal government?

00:30:33.000 Instead it was that there is not going to be a state-run religion or a state-run government.

00:30:37.000 Did you know that one of the first acts of Congress was taxpayer-funded Bible printing and distribution?

00:30:44.000 Did you know that there were church services held in the Supreme Court building as late as the Jackson presidency in the 1820s? 0.79

00:30:51.000 But going back to this idea of separation of church and state, and again I could riff on this ad nauseum because it's just so ridiculous, right?

00:30:58.000 Is that it's not constitutional because you go a layer deeper.

00:31:02.000 People that even say that, do you believe in separation of morality and state?

00:31:05.000 Nobody does.

00:31:06.000 So all laws are a reflection of morality and all morality comes from somewhere.

00:31:09.000 There is no such thing as neutral morality.

00:31:11.000 And we believe what the Founders believed, because they put it in the halls of Congress, they put it in the Supreme Court, and they put it all throughout the country, which is that the Decalogue, the Ten Commandments, is the core morality of how a society and a civilization should exist.

00:31:23.000 The Ten Commandments of every person.

00:31:23.000 Right?

00:31:25.000 And finally, and this is the kicker, if the Founding Fathers were not Bible-believing Church-faith Christians, why did they put Leviticus on the Liberty Bell?

00:31:34.000 Not John, not Psalms, not Proverbs, not Genesis.

00:31:37.000 Leviticus.

00:31:37.000 Most Americans can't spell Leviticus.

00:31:40.000 Leviticus 2519.

00:31:41.000 Proclaim liberty throughout the land of which you are in.

00:31:44.000 It is one of the most sinister, most unsubstantiated lies that does not come up against any sort of academic scrutiny.

00:31:50.000 This idea that founding fathers were a bunch of Enlightenment common law deists.

00:31:54.000 The reason they hate it is because if they... The reason they must say this is that if we actually go back to our Christian roots, And we go back to where we once were.

00:32:03.000 it's America's best hope for revival and for a great future.

00:32:06.000 You want to add to that?

00:32:11.000 Sorry, I covered it.

00:32:14.000 I didn't touch that. Beautifully put.

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00:33:22.000 Hey guys, big fan.

00:33:23.000 I know I ran into, my name's Ridge.

00:33:26.000 I'm here with my wife and my younger brother and some of our best friends.

00:33:30.000 I know I ran into you two last night, but just want to elaborate on that a little bit about that tragedy and ask a question.

00:33:38.000 And Charlie, I haven't had the pleasure of meeting you yet, but we lost our 18-year-old brother back in October to an accident in our front yard.

00:33:48.000 And we're constantly told like, oh, you guys might have to move on.

00:33:51.000 You guys might need to kind of like put it in the past.

00:33:54.000 It happened.

00:33:55.000 Get over it.

00:33:56.000 And we do have really good days where we get to share his story and share the gospel.

00:34:00.000 But with those good days, there's also some really, really bad days where anger comes out.

00:34:05.000 And I mean, I might get mad at my wife. 1.00

00:34:07.000 I may get mad at the family, at the kids.

00:34:11.000 What's your advice and what do you have to say about how to cope with those really bad days that we have, all of us collectively being really close to him after his loss?

00:34:23.000 Alright, I'm really sorry for your loss, brother.

00:34:25.000 It stinks.

00:34:27.000 And that's one of the reasons I'm so glad that in 1 Corinthians 15, Paul writes, death is the last enemy.

00:34:33.000 I am sick and tired of hearing people say, oh, death is just part of nature.

00:34:37.000 So just accept it.

00:34:38.000 No, I don't accept death.

00:34:40.000 That's why we fund hospitals. 0.97

00:34:41.000 That's why we do medicine.

00:34:43.000 Because we are against death and we're for life.

00:34:46.000 And that's what Jesus said.

00:34:47.000 I've come that you might have life and have it to the full.

00:34:52.000 Second point.

00:34:53.000 Alright wife and brother and family.

00:34:58.000 You've heard the man say, I'm hurting.

00:35:01.000 At a time I'm okay, but at other times I get really angry.

00:35:05.000 He's been honest, right?

00:35:07.000 He's been honest with all of us.

00:35:08.000 He's been vulnerable.

00:35:10.000 So now we've got to be patient with each other, right?

00:35:13.000 We've got to love each other through the hard times, and it's a hard time you're passing through.

00:35:18.000 The most difficult day of my life was when my seven-year-old niece was knocked into an early grave in a horrible car accident, and I had to go out to Madison, Wisconsin, where my brother, who's a transplant surgeon at UW-Madison, was transplanting kidneys and livers.

00:35:33.000 And I had to walk with him around a field, Behind his home in Madison, Wisconsin.

00:35:38.000 And he's pouring out his heart to me about the death of his seven-year-old daughter. 0.97

00:35:44.000 And if anybody thinks they got an easy answer for that question, they're nuts.

00:35:49.000 The honest answer first is, I do not know why the babysitter didn't see the stop sign, why she went right through the stop sign and a pickup truck at 55 miles an hour came careening down the road, smashing into the car, sending my seven-year-old niece into an early grave.

00:36:06.000 I don't know why God allowed that to happen.

00:36:09.000 And so therefore we've got to be patient with each other, we've got to love each other, we've got to be committed to each other as we go through these painful, difficult times.

00:36:17.000 The third point is, what's comfort?

00:36:20.000 Comfort is presence.

00:36:22.000 So you being together as a family with your presence is crucial.

00:36:27.000 And even more important is God's presence with you.

00:36:31.000 The presence of Jesus Christ.

00:36:33.000 And that's where all of this talk and all of these answers to all these difficult questions gets real practical.

00:36:39.000 It's not an issue of a good answer to a difficult question now.

00:36:42.000 It's an issue of presence.

00:36:44.000 I need you to be with me.

00:36:47.000 Because I'm hurting, my loved one died, and it stinks.

00:36:52.000 And now, all of a sudden, faith becomes real personal.

00:36:55.000 Because now it's an issue of, do I know the presence of God?

00:36:59.000 And brother, I'm 70 years old, so you're a lot younger than me, and I'm still working on that.

00:37:04.000 I want to know the presence of God.

00:37:07.000 Because it's hard.

00:37:09.000 And I was really ticked when Time Magazine came out with Mother Teresa on the cover saying, oh, the woman struggled with doubt.

00:37:14.000 See, she didn't really have real faith.

00:37:15.000 Ah, Bologna.

00:37:17.000 Give me a break.

00:37:18.000 There is such a thing as depression.

00:37:20.000 There is such a thing as loneliness, as the snot gets kicked out of you by life.

00:37:25.000 So now we've got to know Christ.

00:37:27.000 And I find great comfort that in Philippians 3.10 Paul writes, I want to know Christ and the power of his resurrection and the fellowship of sharing in his suffering.

00:37:37.000 Remember, you worship a suffering God who got the snot kicked out of him and he was nailed to a wooden cross. 0.93

00:37:44.000 So you can connect with this God.

00:37:45.000 This God can connect with you.

00:37:47.000 He's a suffering God.

00:37:49.000 And then ultimately, brother, we have the solution to suffering.

00:37:53.000 We're going to go through good times, we're going to go through hard times in this life, and you're going through them now, both of them.

00:37:58.000 And yet we have the ultimate solution for suffering and death.

00:38:02.000 And that solution is eternal life in a heaven where there will be no more stillbirth, no more cancer, no more heart failure, no more little kids getting knocked into early graves by ridiculous car accidents, but eternal life in the presence of God.

00:38:20.000 So come on my atheist agnostic friend, let's go into the hospital. 1.00

00:38:23.000 Come on my atheist agnostic friend, let's go into the room where the baby lies whose body is being shredded by terminal cancer.

00:38:29.000 What are you gonna do?

00:38:29.000 You're gonna wave your fist in God's face and blame God?

00:38:32.000 That's a cop-out.

00:38:33.000 That's misplaced blame.

00:38:36.000 I, as a follower of Christ, walk to the other side of that bed, and I too will hold that child's hand and seek to comfort that child.

00:38:43.000 But in Jesus Christ, I've got a suffering God who gives a rip about death, about grieving people, who wants to comfort us and wrap his arms around us.

00:38:53.000 That, my friend, is the solution to the very real problem of suffering and death.

00:38:58.000 Jesus Christ.

00:39:00.000 We'll take one or two more.

00:39:13.000 Thank you.

00:39:14.000 you Thank you.

00:39:16.000 My name is Darlene Slaffer.

00:39:17.000 Beautiful explanation earlier about the foundation of our country.

00:39:21.000 Under the Trump administration, the 1776 Commission was really focused on instilling patriotism for students.

00:39:30.000 And I wanted to know your thoughts on a new agenda.

00:39:32.000 I think it's called Project 2025, where many conservative organizations We're focusing on the solution of helping Americans understand the true goal of how our country is supposed to serve us.

00:39:47.000 What are your thoughts on that agenda or that project?

00:39:50.000 Yeah, we're one of the listed organizations on Project 2025.

00:39:53.000 I don't know all the details.

00:39:54.000 The Democrats are losing their minds over this thing.

00:39:57.000 I mean, it's...

00:39:58.000 Unbelievable.

00:39:59.000 It's actually like her core message right now.

00:40:03.000 It's not officially part of the campaign.

00:40:05.000 That's important to note.

00:40:06.000 It's a 900 page document.

00:40:07.000 I haven't read it.

00:40:08.000 I don't think anyone's going to read it.

00:40:09.000 But yes, if the essence is to bring back patriotic education, I was on the 1776 Commission and the first act, Biden gets sworn into office.

00:40:18.000 He walks 100 feet into a side room in the halls of Congress, doesn't even wait to get to the White House, and signs an executive order nullifying the 1776 Commission.

00:40:30.000 It was within seconds of getting sworn in, which was a commission all about American patriotism, our American founding.

00:40:37.000 It was literally the first thing he did as president was to make sure that our kids wouldn't learn to love America.

00:40:44.000 Yes.

00:40:44.000 All right, one more question.

00:40:45.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:40:47.000 So good to meet these others that are here.

00:40:49.000 I had dinner with George Barna not too long ago, and I said some of the biggest concerns I pastor just outside of Detroit.

00:40:57.000 And I realized that it's hard to keep college kids engaged.

00:41:04.000 It's a hard demographic to reach.

00:41:07.000 And it seems like my pastor friends are all asking the same question.

00:41:11.000 So I asked George Barna, I said, what is the solution?

00:41:16.000 He said, you think you're losing them in the college years, but you're losing them much earlier.

00:41:22.000 The worldview is developed by time they're 11.

00:41:26.000 So knowing God designed three institutions, But he gave the responsibility to parents to rear their children.

00:41:34.000 How do these three institutions come alongside parents in God's design to help them establish a biblical worldview in their children before they're 11?

00:41:47.000 Yes, 75% of Christian high schoolers turn away from the faith when they go to college.

00:41:54.000 Fortunately, 40% come back after college, but that 75% is astronomical in my mind.

00:42:01.000 And the reason why we go after college students is because they weren't prepared, like you put beautifully, they weren't prepared by their parents in high school.

00:42:12.000 And that's not just because they weren't given the intellectual tools to defend their faith, That is one of the biggest, but it's also often because their parents didn't just, they didn't mentor them, especially the father of the household.

00:42:25.000 They didn't mentor their child, and they didn't show their child what objective right and wrong is.

00:42:32.000 The reason why 80% of pastors' kids turn away from the faith and never come back to the faith is because their fathers, who are the pastors usually, spend more time with the congregants than they do their kids, and they also don't practice what they preach.

00:42:46.000 I'm fortunately one of the 20% who has retained my faith because my dad has done a fantastic job practicing what he preaches and spending a ton of time with us.

00:42:55.000 He actually was invited by endless amounts of organizations to speak all over the country and internationally, but he chose, because of his love for me and my brothers, to actually become a pastor and to spend time with us and not just leave us and travel all over the country and internationally.

00:43:11.000 So I think it starts with the father, absolutely the mother, and it starts with that mentoring process, loving them and giving them a firm foundation of what is true, right, and wrong, like the founders of our country clearly did.

00:43:23.000 With liberalism now, you clearly see that there's no objective right and wrong, so what do they do?

00:43:27.000 They come out screaming, and they don't even know what they're screaming about.

00:43:31.000 They don't know what's right or wrong, they're just screaming, and sometimes it'll be their own sexual identity, other times it'll be, oh yeah, drug use is healthy for you, and they just go on and on down the line, and it just becomes a total, excuse my language, poop show.

00:43:44.000 And so that's one way.

00:43:46.000 I won't speak to the government side and some of these other institutions because this is our kind of lane, but really loving mentoring and then giving the intellectual tools to defend their faith, which is not that hard because in the philosophical realm, about 50% now, and it's growing, of philosophers at the top schools are saying there is a God.

00:44:06.000 20 years ago it was 10%.

00:44:08.000 Now we have to go up to the religious departments.

00:44:10.000 Because you would think the religious departments are pretty high on their belief of God and teaching it.

00:44:13.000 No, they're not.

00:44:15.000 They're the opposite.

00:44:16.000 Even in the Bible Belt schools, like we were just at Mississippi State.

00:44:19.000 Some of the nicest professors I talked to, and yet they were secular liberals in the Bible Belt.

00:44:25.000 And they were in the religious departments saying, oh no, maybe there's a higher power, but let's be agnostic.

00:44:31.000 So pushing back against them is important.

00:44:32.000 I would just say this, that we need, and it's very fixable, we need a renaissance of homeschooling and not just sending your kids to private school, but homeschooling itself.

00:44:43.000 The excuses people give to not homeschool is the following, is that I don't know how to do it.

00:44:48.000 That's a really bad answer.

00:44:50.000 That's like, that's unbelievably bad.

00:44:52.000 You taught your kid how to talk and you taught your kid the fundamental stuff.

00:44:56.000 There's so many organizations that can supplement.

00:44:58.000 And this is understandable, is that it's too expensive because I have to go back in the workforce.

00:45:02.000 So, and here's the contradiction.

00:45:04.000 If you're willing for you or your kid to go into debt to send them to college, why would you not be willing to go into debt to homeschool your kid?

00:45:13.000 And no one has a good answer to that.

00:45:15.000 Because they're willing to send their kid to go study North African lesbian poetry at Arizona State University. 0.90

00:45:22.000 But they're not willing to make financial sacrifices so that they could educate their kids.

00:45:26.000 And the third thing is that, and I know this doesn't fall into anyone at this conference, but the general population, parents are lazy today.

00:45:34.000 They just are.

00:45:35.000 They just aren't doing their job.

00:45:37.000 They just want someone else to do it for them.

00:45:39.000 It's the, I'm more important than my kid.

00:45:41.000 A parent is like a part-time job.

00:45:43.000 I want my own career.

00:45:45.000 And we're seeing the ramifications of that.

00:45:48.000 Can I just add, how would you respond to, because I'm a pretty strong believer in this, 1929, what happens when the obvious biblical homeschool movement occurred and we left the halls of power at the big universities because we were terrified all of a sudden, Christian parents especially, more the fundamentalists of Darwinism, evolutionism.

00:46:07.000 I mean, how do you balance, because I was homeschooled through the sixth grade, but how do you take this balance of, let's congregate together, grow our faith, But then make sure we don't do what we did in 1929 and get terrified of the culture and lose power in the halls of power.

00:46:22.000 Yeah, I, I'm a big believer that up to a certain age, the child should be protected and nurtured.

00:46:28.000 And I don't know what that age is.

00:46:30.000 Sixth grade might be the right time, but I wouldn't put an eight year old in a government school.

00:46:36.000 And so in the current, in the current configuration, I think that it's okay for us to domicile our children away from the current culture, but prepare them that they're going to be going to war. 0.84

00:46:50.000 And then you send them out.

00:46:52.000 And so I think both can be equally true.

00:46:55.000 And once they get sent out, they must be really deep in their faith and understand what's coming to them.

00:47:02.000 Because it's not a matter of cloistering them for the rest of their life, but protecting the innocence of a child is biblical, it's necessary.

00:47:10.000 You know, we have, we've seen the ramifications of throwing these kids to the lions.

00:47:15.000 As you say, by 11, their worldview is formed.

00:47:18.000 Sixth grade is 13 years old, 12, 13 years old, right?

00:47:21.000 So, that's probably a good cutoff there.

00:47:24.000 We're out of time, everybody.

00:47:25.000 Give it up for the Connect Police, right?

00:47:27.000 Got it!

00:47:29.000 Thanks, guys.

00:47:30.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:47:31.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:47:34.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - July 31, 2024

What Keeps Gen-Z Away From Christ? ft. Cliffe and Stuart Knechtle

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