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00:01:51.000What would you like to pinpoint on that?
00:01:53.000Yeah, well, I think a big part of your issue was that people are spending a lot of money and that you feel like they're not getting the equivalent of all the money that they go into debt or that they have to borrow to make it worth it.
00:02:05.000Well, in that case, I really, I think education is really awesome.
00:03:40.000It's just the I would probably say that education right now is the ability to go out and learn different mindsets, to be introduced to different subjects, to have the opportunities to talk about these things with a lot of different kinds of people.
00:03:54.000I think that's the really cool part about college.
00:03:56.000Someone like you can come here and have different opinions.
00:03:58.000My history teacher just talked about how he's like, he does this whole like, I'm a conservative old school conservative act.
00:04:05.000And then one of my other teachers, she's like, I'm a bleeding hippie, you know?
00:04:09.000There's like a lot of opportunities to just be introduced to subjects you didn't even know were a thing.
00:04:14.000Like I didn't know that semiotics was a thing until my last philosophy class.
00:04:18.000And I think that's really interesting.
00:04:20.000So just the idea that you get to go out to this place and you get to get taught about a bunch of different ideas.
00:04:27.000Do you are you against that being available for everyone?
00:04:30.000Oh, I have a completely different view of what education is.
00:04:32.000So education in Latin means to lead forth.
00:04:36.000Your idea of education is the new age, which is we're going to have like a buffet line of postmodern ideas and all ideas are treated the same.
00:05:13.000Okay, so you really like the Greek ideas and like the Roman ideas of like the idea of perfection and perfect harmony because that's like a very Greek and Roman way of.
00:05:22.000Well, it's Western, which is the civilization we currently live in.
00:05:25.000Okay, but that's the first from Greek and Roman.
00:05:28.000So the good, the true, and the beautiful are the three things that every college student should grapple with.
00:05:34.000Do you think in this current university, that is what you're currently grappling with?
00:05:38.000That the focus of your education is enriching yourself to get closer to what is good, what is true, and beautiful.
00:05:44.000See, I don't engage with you on the ideas that good, true, and beautiful are something that can be defined and something that can be taught.
00:05:50.000You're perfect evidence of why I think college is a scam.
00:06:15.000The ultimate perfection would be that there's a creator who loves you, who made you in his image and loved you so much to come down and take the broken flesh form, live a perfect life, die and rise from the dead that you might live forever.
00:06:30.000There is nothing more perfect, good, true, or beautiful than that.
00:06:35.000Okay, so I don't really engage with religion like that.
00:06:38.000But what about just the idea that you get to go to a place, you get taught about different subjects, you get the opportunity.
00:06:44.000Okay, I'm sorry, because you don't have access to all these things wherever you come from.
00:06:48.000You get the opportunity to talk to people who know a lot about these different subjects and get to learn about that.
00:06:54.000You don't think that that should be free or like provide?
00:06:56.000First of all, I don't think it should be free.
00:06:58.000And I don't think that's what education should be or what it once was when it was at its best.
00:07:02.000Because we have like the Indian golden house of, oh no, I think this was called the Baghdad Golden House of Wisdom.
00:07:07.000We have the Greek and Roman and they had their whole thing about how you have to learn astrology at the same time as learning your education.
00:07:15.000We have like so many different points of learning and knowledge.
00:07:46.000So it was at its best when we had a thing called classical education here in America, specifically around the American founding.
00:07:54.000Classical education has a prioritization on Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle and the core canon of Greek thinking, which is that there is an abstract, distant good, the logos, which created the world, right?
00:08:09.000I want to try to find out more about what that is.
00:08:11.000So you think that education should revolve around ethics then?
00:08:21.000Do you guys think that creating good people is a priority at Cal State Fullerton?
00:08:25.000I don't think that that is really a thing that you can achieve like with a pointed, I don't think there's a way to really teach somebody being like being a good person is so hard and it involves so many different like factors.
00:08:38.000I could prove to you we're getting a little bit too general with things, because the Greeks and the Romans weren't really like they were.
00:08:54.000They had a teacher student relationship.
00:08:55.000But let me ask you a question if, do you think people would commit more crimes or less crimes if they knew that a police officer was watching them at all times?
00:09:04.000I don't think this is what we're talking about.
00:09:07.000You said you cannot teach people good.
00:09:08.000I'm asking a question, if somebody thought that somebody was watching their actions, would they behave differently?
00:09:15.000I think that people behave differently when.
00:09:17.000Therefore, if society thought that there was a God that was watching all of their actions, would they behave differently?
00:09:24.000Do you feel like you behave better when someone is watching?
00:09:27.000Absolutely, and in fact, I so you feel like you can't be good without someone there to absorb.
00:09:32.000It's not a matter of you can't be good.
00:09:33.000Is that you act better if you think that there is somebody watching and judging your actions?
00:09:38.000That this is really unfortunate for you because I want to do good, because I think it's better for the people around me, not because someone's watching me, like the ideas of the panopticon.
00:09:48.000But if you believe that somebody is always watching your behavior, you'd be less likely to lie, less likely to steal, less likely to cheat, and this is a good question, because you're coming after this in good faith.
00:09:58.000Do you think human beings are generally naturally good or generally not so good?
00:10:16.000Um, I feel like again, you're not listening to me.
00:10:19.000I feel like we don't come to the same synthesis about what I think we will though, is because, for me, I think that something like good is again the question of ethics.
00:10:28.000It's not really a question of education, right?
00:10:33.000What people decide for themselves is good is different, right?
00:10:36.000So Hitler thought what he was doing was good for his people.
00:10:40.000We do not see his actions as good because he was pretty awful to a lot of people.
00:10:45.000But when we turn things into an ethical question, he may see it as doing good for himself and God because yes, a lot of people believe they're doing good for God, even if that thing is killing people.
00:10:57.000Was Hitler doing something objectively wrong?
00:11:30.000Good, are you talking about her actions and trying to help the poor, hundreds of thousands of poor people that were saved in India and Calcutta thanks to her sacrificial work over 30 years?
00:11:39.000I don't know Mother Teresa like that, but can we go back to what I just said, for I feel like we've gotten really off track.
00:11:51.000So, oh, so you can interrupt me, but I can't interrupt you.
00:11:55.000The fact you can't answer this question shows that college is a scam.
00:11:58.000Because if you can't say that Mother Teresa Good and his Mother Teresa denied anesthetics to people who are in serious pain because she thought the suffering would bring them closer to God, I think a lot of what she did could be considered.
00:12:12.000We can't just reference random things and use that.
00:12:14.000Because right now we're talking about ideologies.
00:12:16.000Again, I find that what I consider to be good revolves more around the fact that humans are social creatures and generally pro-social attitudes of promoting collectivism tends to be it tends to be better for people just because that's in our evolutionary nature.
00:12:35.000So you believe that there's a guy watching you and that's what makes you do good.
00:12:38.000You're like, if someone's watching me, I am more likely to be nice.
00:12:42.000But I want to be nice because I like I was asking the question that for would you be more or less likely to shoplift if a police officer was next to you in a department store?
00:13:25.000No, but I think that consequences, your actions can exist outside of a vacuum of consequences, right?
00:13:31.000We can't make our decisions based on whether or not we think the actions will lead to a certain outcome because those will always be random, right?
00:13:39.000So I revolve more around we try to do things that we think will promote general pro-social attitudes.
00:13:46.000I think that that is more likely to get us other than worrying about.
00:14:21.000Okay, that's not socializing and you know it.
00:14:23.000Antisocial behavior usually means doing things that are considered rejecting socialization, like rejecting other people, pushing things away, promoting things that other people actively end up considering less.
00:14:39.000So then should pedophiles go to prison?
00:14:41.000Pedophiles go to, I do not know what's the best way to handle pedophilia because, no, because how do we know?
00:14:50.000I don't think that anyone should molest a child.
00:15:01.000Let's go back to the ideas of good and evil and consequentialism.
00:15:04.000College is a scam, and you're a perfect example, like one of the best I've ever seen to show the intellectual drivel that is caught on a college campus.
00:15:13.000Because you think that I'm not being taught about the good, the pure.
00:15:16.000Let's go back to that because I thought that was really interesting.
00:15:36.000What about just the idea of, because remember the ancient Greeks and Romans that you love so much, they didn't have the same ideas of God in the same way that we do, but they still, thank you for saying I'm correct.
00:15:51.000So when they wanted to learn, when they sought out learning, when they have schools of learning and all that kind of stuff, a lot of the times they didn't just teach things around ethics.
00:16:43.000Let me give you a hypothetical example.
00:16:45.000So if you go, I don't know if this school has one, but if they have some sort of center for like feminist ideology or some sort of inter, do they have one here?
00:19:26.000I know you're not asking this for actual, you're trying to get a gotcha, right?
00:19:30.000You're trying to get like a little baity question, but I really want to know why is it so important to you to define things in certain categories?
00:19:38.000Why does how does that help your day-to-day life?
00:19:40.000Like what other categories in the human species are there besides male and female?
00:19:45.000Well, I just think that categorization is usually unhelpful when we're trying to improve society, right?
00:19:50.000We want to make things better for people.
00:20:38.000Isn't that probably important to feminism?
00:20:40.000What is the woman that you're trying to advance and protect?
00:20:44.000Isn't that integral to the whole feminist project?
00:20:48.000So a lot of times feminism has to do with the ways that people have treated the female sex on a different way than the male sex has traditionally.
00:20:57.000It's all about analyzing that and exposing it.
00:21:00.000You say that men and women are different, and you think that's a good question.
00:21:29.000We as men have a moral right to stand up for the women in our life, against predators, against rapists, against people that wish them harm.
00:21:39.000Why do you see yourself as a man who has to protect and take care of other people?
00:21:44.000You're placing yourself on a higher ideological standpoint where you gain more power by having someone that you can protect.
00:21:52.000I find that system and hierarchy of power to be just exhausting to traverse the world through, just looking at people as people to protect and people to take care of instead of us working together, right?
00:22:12.000There's tons of differences just between the male and the female sex.
00:22:15.000But what's important is how we treat people because of that.
00:22:19.000So therefore they have different contributions to give to society?
00:22:23.000I think that everybody has different contributions, man.
00:22:26.000Just because I'm not popping out kids 24-7 doesn't mean I can't be helpful.
00:22:30.000I'm not saying that that's not the case.
00:22:31.000However, if you can't tell me again what a woman is, and you're not able to answer the question because that is the cheat code against postmodernism.
00:22:39.000No, because I don't think you even know what postmodernism is.
00:22:42.000Well, you want to talk about Herbert Marcuse or Jacques Derrida or Michelle Foucault, one-dimensional man?
00:25:48.000So remember, it was a commission based on reforming education.
00:25:52.000Education about history primarily, though.
00:25:54.000Right, but about education reformation.
00:25:56.000And having spoken on more college campuses than any living person in the last decade, I do think I had something to contribute to the committee about the ales of education.
00:26:27.000But my role on that committee was to try to contribute what was wrong with American education and potentially some of the solutions that we put forward.
00:26:37.000Again, we barely got out of the gate the first day of the Biden administration.
00:26:59.000Yeah, so in the document, the natives aren't mentioned a single time, Native Americans, except for in the entirely quoted Declaration of Independence, where they're referred to as savages.
00:27:08.000Additionally, slavery isn't really talked about unless it's not.
00:28:08.000So as far as the entire country, you're correct.
00:28:10.000But in 1777, Vermont abolished slavery, which is a year after the Declaration, and then started a chain of events of Northeastern states that continued.
00:28:19.000Mainly in the South, South Carolina, Georgia, North Carolina, and I believe parts of Virginia.
00:28:24.000And until the advent of the cotton gym in 1820, slavery was basically on its way out, right?
00:28:29.000However, it's important to ask the question, can you point to a single founding document, Federalist Papers, Declaration, Constitution, private journals of George Washington, Madison, Hamilton, John Jay, where they talk positively about slavery?
00:28:42.000They don't talk positively about the practice, but it's, you know, I'm sure there's instances, I'm not necessarily quoting Madison off the top of my head, but I'm sure there's practices where they've talked positively about the institution or the necessity of preserving it for preserving the union.
00:30:52.000It's called affirmative action, where underqualified blacks are taking Asians and white people's places in universities across the country.
00:31:51.000The parts of CRT that I think are most relevant and, you know, very factually, you can, you know, what am I trying to say?
00:31:59.000There's a lot of evidence for them is the fact that previous inequalities, such as the institution of slavery, such as our treatment of Native Americans, do in fact affect those populations today.
00:32:08.000And you were saying before in inner cities, there's a lot more crime.
00:32:12.000And a lot of that is because of redlining and other practices that come directly from the mistreatment of minorities previously in this country.
00:35:27.000So, but wouldn't it be more like smarter to be like, hey, that this is not about systemic racism?
00:35:32.000Like, stop impregnating your women and abandoning them?
00:35:37.000Well, the way to incentivize not impregnating women and abandoning them is increasing access to healthcare, into housing, into everything that we know increases.
00:35:48.000So we have spent $30 trillion on the social welfare system since 1965.
00:35:54.000Black people are poorer, and the single motherhood went from 25% to now 75 to 80%.
00:35:59.000So the more money we've spent on Black America, the less fathers we have because black women divorced black men and married the government.
00:36:08.000And do you think that's a problem inherent to black people?
00:36:26.000The average music that a black person in Compton is listening to, is it about contemplating the good, the true, and the beautiful?
00:36:32.000Or is it about being a gangbanger and trying to get as much money and sleep with as many girls as you can?
00:36:38.000I would actually like to think that's a, I would be offended by that.
00:36:42.000Do you think the average black kid in Compton is listening to Beethoven or some sort of gangster rap music that glorifies gangster culture?
00:37:45.000We need more dads around and less drag queen story hour.
00:37:50.000We need more young blacks to be able to look up to role models that are not leaving all the time and are not just saying, hey, I impregnated her, so be it.
00:39:28.000But you either believe that that is due to a complex intersection of social, economic, and like leftover effects from previous inequalities, or you believe that that is an inherent trait to the race.
00:39:38.000No, I don't because they weren't that way in the 1940s and 50s.
00:39:42.000Black America was one of the most peaceful, flourishing, fastest-growing economically communities in the country.
00:39:48.000You're trying to point something on me that I don't believe.
00:41:29.000And our argument is what changed is three things.
00:41:31.000Number one, the imposition of the Great Society project by Lyndon Baines Johnson of spending $30 trillion since 1960s on Section 8 housing, on welfare, on, you know, all sorts where, as I said, that young black women married the government and they divorced young black men.
00:41:48.000And then we also have had the, as Thomas Sowell and as Clarence Thomas would say, the soft bigotry of law expectations.
00:41:55.000And we have been afraid to get to the root of the issue or even speak about it because we don't be called a racist.
00:42:00.000So who, what is imposing those low expectations?
00:42:03.000It's part of it is like white academic culture.
00:42:08.000I'm not saying you believe this, but Merrick Garland, the Attorney General of the United States, has come out and said having an ID to vote is racist.
00:42:15.000That is code for saying black people are too dumb to get a voter ID.
00:42:37.000Certain policies in southern states were proposed that would, like, I think the quote from the person who decided the case was with surgical precision, target the times where black people were voting and make it like illegal or harder for them to get that to come at that time.
00:42:53.000And then they were targeting the type of ID that black voters had and making that specific type of ID illegal.
00:43:01.000How does that impact today saying that every citizen, if you need an ID to vote, just that aside, why is it racist?
00:43:08.000Because we have to have, you know, obviously humans are making those decisions, right?
00:43:12.000And so if there is still institutional racism and people in power that are racist, we can't trust those institutions to make those decisions.
00:43:19.000Institutional racism do we have in this country right now?
00:43:27.000Oh well, affirmative action needs to happen because there is not that many minorities in these higher educations or higher education institutions.
00:43:54.000I don't think it ever should have been.
00:43:55.000But yes right, but there is institutional inequality.
00:43:58.000Yes well, I wouldn't even use the word inequality.
00:44:00.000I mean I, I don't love looking at it that way, but of course, white people generally are richer than black people in this country, richer and more represented in politics and schools.
00:44:09.000Yes somewhat yes, and why do you think that is, Charlie?
00:45:03.000But if you want fair representation, just to be clear, then why would you not be against whites by law being half of the National Basketball Association right now?
00:45:11.000Sure, black people make up 88 of the NBA.
00:45:21.000If we, I could play for the Lakers, I hope.
00:45:24.000Do it Charlie, i'll come to your games, i'll do it.
00:45:26.000The point is this is that merit should triumph over all, which is awesome, okay.
00:45:31.000So merit should triumph, we agree okay okay Charlie, do you think black people are not as smart or competent as white people perfect, so they should in theory then be equally represented.
00:45:51.000No, I read a lot more than Thomas Sole, but i'm happy to.
00:45:54.000Thomas Sole's the only intellectual with the courage to go after, like these core issues of why Black America has fallen behind and why no one actually has studied it.
00:46:03.000So let's just give a great example, when you don't have a father in the home, the amount of words that a child hears goes down by 60 to 70 percent.
00:46:12.000The amount of words that a child I don't know if you're a mother or not or plan to be okay no, just it's.
00:46:39.000No, she's she's, I know what you meant, but you have a all of a sudden they hear thousands of more words a day, and they're they're already like way further ahead of a single motherhood, a single mother raising a child.
00:46:55.000Okay, what my question is: I'm saying dads actually answer most of the questions that you might have about why black America is falling behind, okay?
00:47:02.000But because their dads don't stay around, and that's trying to sort of get to you to reconcile your own beliefs.
00:47:07.000And if that's true, which is fine, that's true, we can say that's true.
00:47:11.000Um, you either believe that that has social and economic causes, or you believe that, oh, black culture is just worse, no, and there isn't another thing to think about.
00:47:22.000No, I see it was very clear right now.
00:47:24.000Black culture is being held captive by influences, songs, which influences Cardi B.
00:47:32.000Okay, Nikki Minaj is causing dads to leave the home.
00:47:34.000Hold on, I don't think that's a good role model for 18-year-old black girls.