The Charlie Kirk Show - What Makes College A Scam? My Debate at Cal State Fullerton

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00:01:39.000 I was hoping we could talk a little bit more about how you see college as a scam.

00:01:43.000 Okay.

00:01:43.000 I think we did that, but sure.

00:01:45.000 If you want to talk about something else, we can talk about something else.

00:01:48.000 I was just curious.

00:01:49.000 Okay.

00:01:51.000 What would you like to pinpoint on that?

00:01:53.000 Yeah, well, I think a big part of your issue was that people are spending a lot of money and that you feel like they're not getting the equivalent of all the money that they go into debt or that they have to borrow to make it worth it.

00:02:05.000 Well, in that case, I really, I think education is really awesome.

00:02:09.000 I think it's really valuable.

00:02:11.000 I think education's the only way that someone like you is able to write a book is because someone taught you how to read and write.

00:02:17.000 And education on all levels is great.

00:02:19.000 So that's not my that one.

00:02:21.000 I don't think that's your issue with college, right?

00:02:23.000 Do you know where I went to college?

00:02:24.000 I don't think that's important right now.

00:02:26.000 Let me just.

00:02:28.000 I didn't.

00:02:28.000 I'm just talking about, I said read and write, like who taught you to read and write?

00:02:32.000 No, I agree.

00:02:33.000 I didn't say grade school is a scam.

00:02:34.000 Can we just keep going?

00:02:35.000 All right.

00:02:36.000 I said college is a scam, not grade school.

00:02:37.000 Keep going.

00:02:38.000 So we're talking about the financial part, right?

00:02:40.000 So do you think that college should be free then so that everybody can get like a free education?

00:02:45.000 No.

00:02:45.000 And by the way, what's happening in college is not an education.

00:02:48.000 Well, okay.

00:02:50.000 I'm just, you don't think that college should be free because it's not an education?

00:02:54.000 If it was education, if it was an education in your eyes, would you think that should be free?

00:03:00.000 What do you mean by free?

00:03:01.000 You mean paid by somebody else?

00:03:02.000 Oh, sure.

00:03:03.000 Our taxpayer dollars would go to school.

00:03:04.000 Oh, okay.

00:03:04.000 So, so, so, yeah.

00:03:05.000 So, so, paid by somebody else.

00:03:07.000 Sure.

00:03:08.000 Sure.

00:03:08.000 No, I don't believe that your schooling should be paid by somebody else.

00:03:12.000 I want my taxes to go to schooling for everybody.

00:03:15.000 I think education is great.

00:03:16.000 I don't want my taxes to go to fund wars.

00:03:18.000 I don't want my taxes to go to the military or the police budget, but I don't get to.

00:03:22.000 You don't want any military?

00:03:24.000 I don't think that it should go to fund the military like that.

00:03:26.000 I want my taxes.

00:03:27.000 You don't want any police force?

00:03:30.000 I want my taxes to go towards education because I think education is valuable.

00:03:35.000 Do you think that education should be define education?

00:03:39.000 I'm curious.

00:03:40.000 Sure.

00:03:40.000 It's just the I would probably say that education right now is the ability to go out and learn different mindsets, to be introduced to different subjects, to have the opportunities to talk about these things with a lot of different kinds of people.

00:03:54.000 I think that's the really cool part about college.

00:03:56.000 Someone like you can come here and have different opinions.

00:03:58.000 My history teacher just talked about how he's like, he does this whole like, I'm a conservative old school conservative act.

00:04:05.000 And then one of my other teachers, she's like, I'm a bleeding hippie, you know?

00:04:09.000 There's like a lot of opportunities to just be introduced to subjects you didn't even know were a thing.

00:04:14.000 Like I didn't know that semiotics was a thing until my last philosophy class.

00:04:18.000 And I think that's really interesting.

00:04:20.000 So just the idea that you get to go out to this place and you get to get taught about a bunch of different ideas.

00:04:27.000 Do you are you against that being available for everyone?

00:04:30.000 Oh, I have a completely different view of what education is.

00:04:32.000 So education in Latin means to lead forth.

00:04:35.000 Okay.

00:04:36.000 Your idea of education is the new age, which is we're going to have like a buffet line of postmodern ideas and all ideas are treated the same.

00:04:43.000 I don't believe that at all.

00:04:44.000 College means partnership in Greek.

00:04:47.000 And going back to education, you must lead forth towards something.

00:04:50.000 And I think college should lead you towards the good, the true, and the beautiful.

00:04:54.000 It should lead you towards things.

00:04:56.000 You think it should lead towards beautiful things?

00:04:59.000 Of course.

00:05:00.000 Like beautiful things?

00:05:01.000 Like you think that we should go out after college and be like, where's the prettiest thing?

00:05:05.000 If your idea of beauty is just the aesthetic, then you're not having a great college experience.

00:05:10.000 What's your idea of beauty?

00:05:11.000 My bad.

00:05:12.000 Which is perfected in being.

00:05:13.000 Okay, so you really like the Greek ideas and like the Roman ideas of like the idea of perfection and perfect harmony because that's like a very Greek and Roman way of.

00:05:22.000 Well, it's Western, which is the civilization we currently live in.

00:05:25.000 Okay, but that's the first from Greek and Roman.

00:05:27.000 Of course, you're right.

00:05:28.000 So the good, the true, and the beautiful are the three things that every college student should grapple with.

00:05:34.000 Do you think in this current university, that is what you're currently grappling with?

00:05:38.000 That the focus of your education is enriching yourself to get closer to what is good, what is true, and beautiful.

00:05:44.000 See, I don't engage with you on the ideas that good, true, and beautiful are something that can be defined and something that can be taught.

00:05:50.000 You're perfect evidence of why I think college is a scam.

00:05:54.000 Why do you wait?

00:05:55.000 I don't.

00:05:56.000 Because of course they could be defined and they should be sought after.

00:05:59.000 Okay, so you think that something like the beautiful, the perfect, like something like goodness can be defined in quantifiable, teachable.

00:06:07.000 Oh, because you're Christian. 1.00

00:06:08.000 I forgot.

00:06:08.000 You guys think that there's like a binary to goodness.

00:06:12.000 There's a hierarchy, not a binary.

00:06:14.000 There's an ultimate perfection.

00:06:15.000 The ultimate perfection would be that there's a creator who loves you, who made you in his image and loved you so much to come down and take the broken flesh form, live a perfect life, die and rise from the dead that you might live forever.

00:06:30.000 There is nothing more perfect, good, true, or beautiful than that.

00:06:35.000 Okay, so I don't really engage with religion like that. 0.98

00:06:38.000 But what about just the idea that you get to go to a place, you get taught about different subjects, you get the opportunity.

00:06:44.000 Okay, I'm sorry, because you don't have access to all these things wherever you come from.

00:06:48.000 You get the opportunity to talk to people who know a lot about these different subjects and get to learn about that.

00:06:54.000 You don't think that that should be free or like provide?

00:06:56.000 First of all, I don't think it should be free.

00:06:58.000 And I don't think that's what education should be or what it once was when it was at its best.

00:07:01.000 When do you think it was at its best?

00:07:02.000 Because we have like the Indian golden house of, oh no, I think this was called the Baghdad Golden House of Wisdom.

00:07:07.000 We have the Greek and Roman and they had their whole thing about how you have to learn astrology at the same time as learning your education.

00:07:15.000 We have like so many different points of learning and knowledge.

00:07:18.000 I think people just love to learn.

00:07:20.000 I think learning is inherent to what we want to do with our lives.

00:07:23.000 So two thoughts.

00:07:25.000 That is the first line of Aristotle's metaphysics, which is all people seek to know that something within us wants to learn.

00:07:31.000 So to answer your question, when was education at its best?

00:07:34.000 No, that was your, you were the one who's like, education is not at their best here.

00:07:38.000 You're like, this is your new age bull.

00:07:40.000 It is.

00:07:42.000 When was it good?

00:07:43.000 I was about to say that and you interrupted me again, okay?

00:07:45.000 My bad.

00:07:46.000 I'm sorry.

00:07:46.000 So it was at its best when we had a thing called classical education here in America, specifically around the American founding.

00:07:54.000 Classical education has a prioritization on Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle and the core canon of Greek thinking, which is that there is an abstract, distant good, the logos, which created the world, right?

00:08:09.000 I want to try to find out more about what that is.

00:08:11.000 So you think that education should revolve around ethics then?

00:08:14.000 You think it should be?

00:08:15.000 Well, it's a big part of education.

00:08:17.000 I think that creating good people should be the number one priority of education.

00:08:17.000 Yes.

00:08:21.000 Do you guys think that creating good people is a priority at Cal State Fullerton?

00:08:25.000 I don't think that that is really a thing that you can achieve like with a pointed, I don't think there's a way to really teach somebody being like being a good person is so hard and it involves so many different like factors.

00:08:38.000 I could prove to you we're getting a little bit too general with things, because the Greeks and the Romans weren't really like they were.

00:08:45.000 They had a lot of beliefs.

00:08:46.000 Okay, Plato and Aristotle were not like let's do the most good.

00:08:50.000 They were not all in agreement about all these different things.

00:08:52.000 They had a lot of beliefs.

00:08:54.000 They had a teacher student relationship.

00:08:55.000 But let me ask you a question if, do you think people would commit more crimes or less crimes if they knew that a police officer was watching them at all times?

00:09:04.000 I don't think this is what we're talking about.

00:09:06.000 You asked.

00:09:06.000 No no, it's no.

00:09:07.000 You said you cannot teach people good.

00:09:08.000 I'm asking a question, if somebody thought that somebody was watching their actions, would they behave differently?

00:09:15.000 I think that people behave differently when.

00:09:17.000 Therefore, if society thought that there was a God that was watching all of their actions, would they behave differently?

00:09:24.000 Do you feel like you behave better when someone is watching?

00:09:27.000 Absolutely, and in fact, I so you feel like you can't be good without someone there to absorb.

00:09:32.000 It's not a matter of you can't be good.

00:09:33.000 Is that you act better if you think that there is somebody watching and judging your actions?

00:09:38.000 That this is really unfortunate for you because I want to do good, because I think it's better for the people around me, not because someone's watching me, like the ideas of the panopticon.

00:09:47.000 Well, hold on a second.

00:09:48.000 But if you believe that somebody is always watching your behavior, you'd be less likely to lie, less likely to steal, less likely to cheat, and this is a good question, because you're coming after this in good faith.

00:09:58.000 Do you think human beings are generally naturally good or generally not so good?

00:10:02.000 Are we?

00:10:03.000 Are we, are we flawed from our birth, or are we good, or are we a blank slave?

00:10:08.000 See, you're bringing up these Christian ideas of good again.

00:10:10.000 I don't think we really come to the same synthesis on what a good person is.

00:10:14.000 I feel like, was Hitler good? 0.95

00:10:16.000 Um, I feel like again, you're not listening to me.

00:10:19.000 I feel like we don't come to the same synthesis about what I think we will though, is because, for me, I think that something like good is again the question of ethics.

00:10:28.000 It's not really a question of education, right?

00:10:31.000 So you have to decide.

00:10:33.000 What people decide for themselves is good is different, right?

00:10:36.000 So Hitler thought what he was doing was good for his people. 0.82

00:10:40.000 We do not see his actions as good because he was pretty awful to a lot of people.

00:10:45.000 But when we turn things into an ethical question, he may see it as doing good for himself and God because yes, a lot of people believe they're doing good for God, even if that thing is killing people.

00:10:57.000 Was Hitler doing something objectively wrong?

00:11:00.000 Which thing are you talking about?

00:11:01.000 You're talking about concentration camps.

00:11:04.000 I don't like the concentration camps, believe it or not.

00:11:06.000 But hold on, you don't like so.

00:11:08.000 Was that objectively bad?

00:11:10.000 Objectively bad?

00:11:11.000 I do think that hurting people is objectively okay.

00:11:13.000 So now we're believing in bad.

00:11:14.000 So then good, there's a spectrum.

00:11:17.000 Now you said objectively bad.

00:11:18.000 So you now just said there's a spectrum, it's not a matter of well, somebody wanted to do some good for yourself.

00:11:22.000 No no no, no.

00:11:23.000 Now there's a spectrum.

00:11:24.000 Concentration camp bad.

00:11:26.000 So then let's like, get away from that.

00:11:28.000 How about Mother Teresa?

00:11:30.000 Good, are you talking about her actions and trying to help the poor, hundreds of thousands of poor people that were saved in India and Calcutta thanks to her sacrificial work over 30 years?

00:11:39.000 I don't know Mother Teresa like that, but can we go back to what I just said, for I feel like we've gotten really off track.

00:11:44.000 No way for one actually.

00:11:45.000 Again Dude, you're interrupting me again.

00:11:50.000 It is kind of our table.

00:11:51.000 So, oh, so you can interrupt me, but I can't interrupt you.

00:11:55.000 The fact you can't answer this question shows that college is a scam.

00:11:58.000 Because if you can't say that Mother Teresa Good and his Mother Teresa denied anesthetics to people who are in serious pain because she thought the suffering would bring them closer to God, I think a lot of what she did could be considered.

00:12:12.000 We can't just reference random things and use that.

00:12:12.000 Whatever.

00:12:14.000 Because right now we're talking about ideologies.

00:12:16.000 Again, I find that what I consider to be good revolves more around the fact that humans are social creatures and generally pro-social attitudes of promoting collectivism tends to be it tends to be better for people just because that's in our evolutionary nature.

00:12:33.000 But you are a Christian.

00:12:35.000 So you believe that there's a guy watching you and that's what makes you do good.

00:12:38.000 You're like, if someone's watching me, I am more likely to be nice.

00:12:42.000 But I want to be nice because I like I was asking the question that for would you be more or less likely to shoplift if a police officer was next to you in a department store?

00:12:52.000 It's a very simple ethical question.

00:12:54.000 But how does that make me good or not?

00:12:56.000 That just makes me worried about consequences.

00:12:58.000 No, it makes me worried about consequences, you little faced man.

00:13:01.000 If you do not have consequences, but consequences does not determine ethics. 0.99

00:13:06.000 The mark of an intellectual fool is throwing around pejoratives when they don't have wisdom. 0.97

00:13:10.000 Remember that. 0.99

00:13:11.000 So let's the question is this.

00:13:14.000 If you do not believe there's a consequence to your action, why wouldn't you do the action?

00:13:19.000 See, that's again the ideology of consequentialism.

00:13:23.000 I don't really subscribe to that.

00:13:24.000 There should be consequences.

00:13:25.000 No, but I think that consequences, your actions can exist outside of a vacuum of consequences, right?

00:13:31.000 We can't make our decisions based on whether or not we think the actions will lead to a certain outcome because those will always be random, right?

00:13:39.000 So I revolve more around we try to do things that we think will promote general pro-social attitudes.

00:13:46.000 I think that that is more likely to get us other than worrying about.

00:13:50.000 Let me ask you a hypothetical.

00:13:51.000 I think this will tell me a lot.

00:13:53.000 Is pedophilia wrong?

00:13:55.000 Pedophilia I consider to be wrong because it is actively damaging someone else, right?

00:14:01.000 But what if they say they're a minor attracted person and it's pro-social to be with a young person?

00:14:06.000 Why are they?

00:14:06.000 Do you know what pro-social means?

00:14:07.000 Like pro-social means there's like pro-social and antisocial behaviors.

00:14:11.000 It's like a theory of social psychology.

00:14:14.000 Pro-social generally means like working together, socialization.

00:14:19.000 No, they're socializing with an eight-year-old.

00:14:20.000 Why is that wrong?

00:14:21.000 Okay, that's not socializing and you know it.

00:14:23.000 Antisocial behavior usually means doing things that are considered rejecting socialization, like rejecting other people, pushing things away, promoting things that other people actively end up considering less.

00:14:39.000 So then should pedophiles go to prison?

00:14:41.000 Pedophiles go to, I do not know what's the best way to handle pedophilia because, no, because how do we know?

00:14:50.000 I don't think that anyone should molest a child.

00:14:53.000 God forbid.

00:14:54.000 I really don't.

00:14:55.000 Why shouldn't a pedophile go to prison?

00:14:58.000 That's again, we're getting really off topic.

00:14:58.000 What?

00:15:01.000 Let's go back to the ideas of good and evil and consequentialism.

00:15:04.000 College is a scam, and you're a perfect example, like one of the best I've ever seen to show the intellectual drivel that is caught on a college campus.

00:15:13.000 Because you think that I'm not being taught about the good, the pure.

00:15:16.000 Let's go back to that because I thought that was really interesting.

00:15:18.000 Yeah, the good, the true.

00:15:19.000 We'll do a couple more minutes.

00:15:20.000 The good, the true, and the beautiful, yes.

00:15:22.000 Right.

00:15:22.000 So you think that that's something that can be quantified, can be taught, and that it should experience wait.

00:15:27.000 And not only that, that it should be taught, that we should promote the ideas of good and beauty to other people.

00:15:34.000 Okay, but let's remove it from that. 0.76

00:15:36.000 What about just the idea of, because remember the ancient Greeks and Romans that you love so much, they didn't have the same ideas of God in the same way that we do, but they still, thank you for saying I'm correct.

00:15:47.000 That was really nice of you.

00:15:49.000 It's true.

00:15:51.000 So when they wanted to learn, when they sought out learning, when they have schools of learning and all that kind of stuff, a lot of the times they didn't just teach things around ethics.

00:16:01.000 They taught other stuff.

00:16:02.000 They taught astrology.

00:16:04.000 They taught medicine.

00:16:05.000 They taught science.

00:16:06.000 They taught arts.

00:16:07.000 And people wanted to learn that.

00:16:08.000 Do you think that that ability, that experience of going into a place and saying, can you teach me more about this subject?

00:16:14.000 Can I learn?

00:16:15.000 Can I expand my worldview?

00:16:16.000 Can I get open to different beliefs?

00:16:18.000 Do you think that that should not be paid for or not be compensated?

00:16:23.000 First of all, it should definitely not be paid for.

00:16:25.000 Secondly, it depends if those disciplines are rooted in the pursuit of truth, goodness, and beauty.

00:16:30.000 So you think only if they're tied into something that falls in your ideological worldview.

00:16:36.000 Can I finish?

00:16:37.000 Okay.

00:16:38.000 If those disciplines are finished, are rooted in the good, the true, and the beautiful.

00:16:42.000 Absolutely.

00:16:43.000 Let me give you a hypothetical example.

00:16:45.000 So if you go, I don't know if this school has one, but if they have some sort of center for like feminist ideology or some sort of inter, do they have one here?

00:16:45.000 Okay.

00:16:54.000 Then that is not in the pursuit of what is good, true, and beautiful.

00:16:57.000 That is in the pursuit of how I can complain and hate men and get a degree and be paid for that.

00:17:02.000 I'm a feminist and I don't hate men.

00:17:04.000 Wait, hey, let me finish.

00:17:06.000 Then tell me what a woman is. 1.00

00:17:07.000 But I'm just saying.

00:17:10.000 Again, we're not talking about that.

00:17:12.000 What is a woman telling me? 1.00

00:17:13.000 Do you think that people should not have the ability to read the works of feminist writers? 0.89

00:17:17.000 Of course, you should have the ability.

00:17:19.000 Should it be elevated and taught in an interdisciplinary way and treated as if that's higher education is a different question.

00:17:26.000 When people, what is a woman? 1.00

00:17:27.000 Really quick, just tell me.

00:17:28.000 Women have written a lot throughout centuries about feminist writers. 0.85

00:17:32.000 Do you think that people should not be allowed to study all of these?

00:17:35.000 Do you think it not?

00:17:36.000 Of course, allowed and elevated are two different things.

00:17:38.000 Sure, but no one's forcing anyone here to take feminist studies. 1.00

00:17:41.000 Has anyone here been forced to take a class full of drivel? 0.86

00:17:43.000 Of course.

00:17:44.000 It's part of the core of any school.

00:17:46.000 People, that's called general education, and we do that so that people get a lot of opportunities to get exposed to different mindsets.

00:17:54.000 Last question.

00:17:55.000 You know, I take a feminist class and no one there is forcing me to believe in what they're saying. 1.00

00:18:00.000 It's just letting, exposing me to these writings, to these ideas.

00:18:05.000 That's what college is about, exposing yourself to different ideas.

00:18:08.000 We have clarity, but not agreement.

00:18:09.000 Last question.

00:18:10.000 You are a self-described feminist. 1.00

00:18:12.000 What is a woman? 1.00

00:18:14.000 Why do you want to know?

00:18:17.000 I'm infinitely curious.

00:18:18.000 What's a man?

00:18:19.000 You're looking at one.

00:18:23.000 So you would describe a man as having short hair, wearing a little popped collar.

00:18:28.000 Sly chromosomes.

00:18:29.000 Okay.

00:18:30.000 And why do you think that that's important to you, what a man and a woman is?

00:18:33.000 How does that define your worldview going forward?

00:18:36.000 Do you treat men and women differently?

00:18:38.000 Of course we should treat men and women differently. 1.00

00:18:39.000 Of course.

00:18:39.000 In what way?

00:18:40.000 We should honor and protect women.

00:18:43.000 I want to honor and protect you, man.

00:18:45.000 Great.

00:18:45.000 Okay.

00:18:46.000 Do we not like that?

00:18:47.000 Do you not want to be honored with that?

00:18:48.000 Women are worthy of protection. 1.00

00:18:49.000 I think you're also worthy of protection.

00:18:51.000 Don't talk down to yourself like that.

00:18:54.000 Can you tell me what a woman is since you're a feminist? 1.00

00:18:54.000 Please. 1.00

00:18:56.000 I want you to ask yourself, why do you think that it's so important to you that we define man and woman?

00:19:02.000 Like, how does that change the way that you're saying?

00:19:03.000 Because civilization cannot answer the question of what is male and female, that civilization will cease to exist. 0.51

00:19:09.000 Is that why the Roman Empire failed?

00:19:11.000 Because all of a sudden Aristotle is not.

00:19:13.000 It's one of the reasons why this civilization is collapsing.

00:19:16.000 Because we send kids to go hundreds of thousands of dollars into debt that can't answer the most simple biological question.

00:19:23.000 I'll ask you one last time.

00:19:24.000 What is a woman? 1.00

00:19:26.000 I know you're not asking this for actual, you're trying to get a gotcha, right?

00:19:30.000 You're trying to get like a little baity question, but I really want to know why is it so important to you to define things in certain categories?

00:19:38.000 Why does how does that help your day-to-day life?

00:19:40.000 Like what other categories in the human species are there besides male and female?

00:19:45.000 Well, I just think that categorization is usually unhelpful when we're trying to improve society, right?

00:19:50.000 We want to make things better for people.

00:19:51.000 We want to improve things.

00:19:53.000 I have XY chromosomes.

00:19:54.000 Okay.

00:19:54.000 Can I give birth?

00:19:57.000 No, you can't.

00:19:58.000 Bingo.

00:19:59.000 That's why categorization matters.

00:20:02.000 Do men menstruate?

00:20:05.000 What?

00:20:06.000 Do men menstruate. 1.00

00:20:10.000 Do they menstruate?

00:20:11.000 Menstruate?

00:20:12.000 Okay, because you're saying menstruate.

00:20:14.000 And it's like kind of a little...

00:20:15.000 But again, you're saying these things because you're trying to get a gotcha.

00:20:19.000 And I don't want to engage with you.

00:20:20.000 Why is it?

00:20:21.000 I'm serious.

00:20:21.000 No, no, no.

00:20:22.000 You ask the question.

00:20:23.000 And you keep asking me another question.

00:20:25.000 There are big differences between men and women.

00:20:28.000 Here's a question, man.

00:20:29.000 Men and women are not the same. 0.99

00:20:30.000 And if you can't tell me what a woman is, and also you're a feminist. 1.00

00:20:34.000 Shouldn't you be able to tell me what a woman is? 1.00

00:20:37.000 I'm a feminist. 1.00

00:20:38.000 Isn't that probably important to feminism? 1.00

00:20:40.000 What is the woman that you're trying to advance and protect? 0.92

00:20:44.000 Isn't that integral to the whole feminist project? 1.00

00:20:48.000 So a lot of times feminism has to do with the ways that people have treated the female sex on a different way than the male sex has traditionally. 0.77

00:20:57.000 It's all about analyzing that and exposing it.

00:21:00.000 You say that men and women are different, and you think that's a good question. 1.00

00:21:03.000 Wait, I'm just asking you.

00:21:05.000 I'm not done yet.

00:21:06.000 So, and you think they should be treated differently, right?

00:21:09.000 Well, it depends in what context, though.

00:21:10.000 Should it be treated differently politically?

00:21:12.000 No.

00:21:13.000 Should we be treated differently under the law?

00:21:14.000 No.

00:21:15.000 Should we be treated differently into societal customs and norms?

00:21:18.000 Yes.

00:21:18.000 Why?

00:21:19.000 We should open doors for women, for example. 1.00

00:21:21.000 Okay, but where do we see these charitable tools?

00:21:23.000 Where we come from?

00:21:24.000 We should protect women if they're under duress. 1.00

00:21:26.000 I think that we should protect everybody.

00:21:28.000 We as men have duress.

00:21:29.000 We as men have a moral right to stand up for the women in our life, against predators, against rapists, against people that wish them harm.

00:21:36.000 We're not for everybody in our life.

00:21:38.000 Of course we do.

00:21:39.000 Why do you see yourself as a man who has to protect and take care of other people?

00:21:44.000 You're placing yourself on a higher ideological standpoint where you gain more power by having someone that you can protect.

00:21:52.000 I find that system and hierarchy of power to be just exhausting to traverse the world through, just looking at people as people to protect and people to take care of instead of us working together, right?

00:22:05.000 And trying to improve feminism. 1.00

00:22:06.000 Do you think there are any differences between a male and female?

00:22:09.000 Are we talking about just the sex right now?

00:22:11.000 Of course.

00:22:12.000 There's tons of differences just between the male and the female sex.

00:22:15.000 But what's important is how we treat people because of that.

00:22:19.000 So therefore they have different contributions to give to society?

00:22:23.000 I think that everybody has different contributions, man.

00:22:26.000 Just because I'm not popping out kids 24-7 doesn't mean I can't be helpful.

00:22:30.000 I'm not saying that that's not the case.

00:22:31.000 However, if you can't tell me again what a woman is, and you're not able to answer the question because that is the cheat code against postmodernism. 0.83

00:22:39.000 No, because I don't think you even know what postmodernism is.

00:22:42.000 Well, you want to talk about Herbert Marcuse or Jacques Derrida or Michelle Foucault, one-dimensional man?

00:22:46.000 Okay, we can get into all of those.

00:22:49.000 So Donald Trump. 0.78

00:22:49.000 You're trying to tell me I don't know postmodernism because I have read the pantheon of the garbage that you believe postmodernism. 0.78

00:22:55.000 But let me complete with this. 0.62

00:22:56.000 Postmodernism.

00:22:57.000 I don't want to expose myself.

00:23:01.000 I actually know what the literature says and what it means and what it espouses.

00:23:05.000 But this is why it's the great cheat code because it is the war.

00:23:09.000 I don't know what a woman is. 1.00

00:23:10.000 It's the only way that you can get a gotcha over everybody else.

00:23:14.000 Great conversation.

00:23:15.000 You'll see it online next week.

00:23:16.000 I hope you enjoy it.

00:23:17.000 Thank you.

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00:24:36.000 Hi.

00:24:36.000 Just get as close as you can.

00:24:38.000 Closest like this?

00:24:38.000 Yeah.

00:24:39.000 Great.

00:24:40.000 Hi, Mr. Kirk.

00:24:40.000 How are you?

00:24:41.000 If I'm not wrong, you helped co-author the 1776 report.

00:24:45.000 I'm sorry, just got it closer.

00:24:46.000 Yeah.

00:24:46.000 You helped co-author the 1776 report.

00:24:49.000 That's correct.

00:24:50.000 Yeah.

00:24:50.000 Great.

00:24:50.000 Do you still agree with all of the sort of narratives in that?

00:24:54.000 Yeah.

00:24:56.000 She's trying her best.

00:24:58.000 I was part of a 1776 commission, and she's asking me, do I still agree with the essence of the publication?

00:25:05.000 The answer is yes, of course.

00:25:07.000 I can't memorize every detail.

00:25:08.000 So you could grill me on it.

00:25:10.000 But yes, I thought it was a terrific, terrific document.

00:25:13.000 And was it up to your personal standards?

00:25:15.000 I heard it got a lot of criticism for not having proper citations, a lot of it being sort of plagiarized from other works of the authors.

00:25:21.000 How do you respond to that?

00:25:22.000 So I didn't write it.

00:25:23.000 I just happened to be on the committee.

00:25:24.000 I'd have to lean on Victor Davis Hansen and Dr. Larry Arn and the other PhDs that primarily pushed forward the public.

00:25:31.000 Okay, so having a college degree does make you qualified to be on that commission more so than not having one.

00:25:36.000 I was on the commission without a college degree.

00:25:39.000 What makes you qualified?

00:25:41.000 I run the largest campus organization in the country and talk to millions of people every single day.

00:25:45.000 And that verifies your historical knowledge?

00:25:47.000 Well, it wasn't just about history.

00:25:48.000 So remember, it was a commission based on reforming education.

00:25:52.000 Education about history primarily, though.

00:25:54.000 Right, but about education reformation.

00:25:56.000 And having spoken on more college campuses than any living person in the last decade, I do think I had something to contribute to the committee about the ales of education.

00:26:06.000 More so than qualified educators?

00:26:08.000 Well, the question is, do they have the same depth and width of the understanding of the problem with American education?

00:26:14.000 So take a PhD.

00:26:15.000 How many campuses have they visited?

00:26:17.000 Likely two or three.

00:26:18.000 Okay, I visited over 140.

00:26:21.000 And educated?

00:26:22.000 Well, that depends what you mean by educated because a lot of kids can go to college.

00:26:26.000 They don't get educated.

00:26:27.000 But my role on that committee was to try to contribute what was wrong with American education and potentially some of the solutions that we put forward.

00:26:37.000 Again, we barely got out of the gate the first day of the Biden administration.

00:26:40.000 They got rid of our committee.

00:26:41.000 Yeah, which I agree with, frankly.

00:26:44.000 In terms of the content of the document, right?

00:26:47.000 It was a lot of sort of very, how do I put it?

00:26:51.000 Elementary understanding of American history.

00:26:53.000 Don't you think it should be a little more nuanced if it's being taught to our students?

00:26:57.000 Super nuanced.

00:26:58.000 Give me an example.

00:26:59.000 Yeah, so in the document, the natives aren't mentioned a single time, Native Americans, except for in the entirely quoted Declaration of Independence, where they're referred to as savages.

00:27:08.000 Additionally, slavery isn't really talked about unless it's not.

00:27:11.000 It's not true.

00:27:11.000 It is mentioned in it.

00:27:12.000 It is mentioned in the document.

00:27:14.000 That's not true.

00:27:15.000 Someone else should verify that in that case.

00:27:17.000 That's not my mention.

00:27:18.000 It's not extensively mentioned, but it is mentioned.

00:27:20.000 Don't you think that should be an extensive part of American history?

00:27:23.000 It's a part, but an over-fixation on the sins of the past is not helpful for anybody.

00:27:27.000 Okay, so that's kind of what I want to talk about, right?

00:27:29.000 An overfixation compared to a accurate restatement.

00:27:33.000 Those are very different things, yeah?

00:27:34.000 Okay, so let's make sure we're clear.

00:27:38.000 Nine out of 13 of the states that formed the union had already abolished slavery at the time of the Constitution, correct?

00:27:46.000 Sure.

00:27:46.000 Okay.

00:27:47.000 So it's not fair to say that slavery was fundamental to our founding.

00:27:51.000 In fact, the founding was the greatest anti-slavery moment in human history. 0.73

00:27:56.000 It started the chain of events that ended slavery in the industrialized world.

00:28:02.000 It's my understanding that we were one of the last nations to get rid of it, but I might be wrong.

00:28:07.000 Well, we started the process.

00:28:08.000 So as far as the entire country, you're correct.

00:28:10.000 But in 1777, Vermont abolished slavery, which is a year after the Declaration, and then started a chain of events of Northeastern states that continued.

00:28:17.000 There were four holdouts, right?

00:28:19.000 Mainly in the South, South Carolina, Georgia, North Carolina, and I believe parts of Virginia.

00:28:24.000 And until the advent of the cotton gym in 1820, slavery was basically on its way out, right? 0.98

00:28:29.000 However, it's important to ask the question, can you point to a single founding document, Federalist Papers, Declaration, Constitution, private journals of George Washington, Madison, Hamilton, John Jay, where they talk positively about slavery?

00:28:42.000 They don't talk positively about the practice, but it's, you know, I'm sure there's instances, I'm not necessarily quoting Madison off the top of my head, but I'm sure there's practices where they've talked positively about the institution or the necessity of preserving it for preserving the union.

00:28:56.000 And so I think discussing slavery.

00:28:58.000 That's different, though.

00:28:58.000 Hold on.

00:28:59.000 Preserving the union and then the actual immorality of the practice.

00:29:03.000 Those are, you would agree, two totally different things.

00:29:05.000 Of course, but shouldn't it be taught as an ethical dilemma in school?

00:29:08.000 Shouldn't we focus on how severe slavery was, some of the modern consequences?

00:29:13.000 I have no problem with that.

00:29:14.000 Yeah, of course.

00:29:15.000 I think you do, though, because you have a problem with CRT.

00:29:18.000 Okay, that's not what CRT.

00:29:19.000 So tell me what CRT is.

00:29:21.000 I believe CRT and the founder of CRT thinks it's the study.

00:29:24.000 Who is the founder of CRT?

00:29:26.000 I can't name her, but I know that she's quoted saying her ideology.

00:29:29.000 Kimberly Crenshaw, introduction.

00:29:31.000 Kimberly Crenshaw.

00:29:31.000 Yeah, Introduction of Critical Race Theory written in what year?

00:29:33.000 She's herself.

00:29:35.000 Okay, but hold on.

00:29:36.000 You can't come up here and start throwing around the stuff and not know the literature, okay?

00:29:39.000 I actually can't.

00:29:40.000 And who is her mentor and inspiration?

00:29:42.000 Why would I need to know?

00:29:43.000 Derek Bell, right?

00:29:44.000 Who in the early 1990s wrote the prerequisite to the modern CRT regime.

00:29:48.000 But please continue.

00:29:50.000 Okay.

00:29:50.000 CRT by its founder is designed as the study of past inequalities and their effect on modern institutions, specifically economics.

00:29:59.000 Do you agree with that definition?

00:30:00.000 No.

00:30:01.000 What's your definition?

00:30:02.000 Call everything racist till you control it.

00:30:04.000 Right, which is why you don't agree with it because you're wrong.

00:30:06.000 No, because I've actually read the literature.

00:30:08.000 So let me ask you a question.

00:30:09.000 So in the CRT literature, what do they think of white people or whiteness?

00:30:16.000 Who would you like me to quote?

00:30:17.000 Kimberly Crenshaw.

00:30:18.000 I haven't read Kimberly Crenshaw. 0.95

00:30:20.000 She says that whiteness is a cancer or a toxin on our society. 0.72

00:30:23.000 The concept of whiteness, the racial concept of whiteness. 0.94

00:30:26.000 Okay, so what is whiteness?

00:30:28.000 What is whiteness?

00:30:29.000 Yeah, define it.

00:30:30.000 As Kimberly Crenshaw would probably say, the sort of construction of privilege that comes with being white in this country. 0.58

00:30:37.000 Right.

00:30:38.000 So what privilege do you and I as white people have that black people don't have? 0.73

00:30:42.000 Yeah, great question.

00:30:43.000 On applications that are blindly judged, white-sounding names are often given the job more.

00:30:47.000 They're paying attention.

00:30:48.000 That's not true.

00:30:49.000 In fact, it's the opposite.

00:30:50.000 There's black privilege right now. 0.76

00:30:52.000 It's called affirmative action, where underqualified blacks are taking Asians and white people's places in universities across the country. 0.68

00:30:59.000 True or false?

00:31:02.000 Sure, true.

00:31:03.000 Okay, so yeah, there's black privilege, not white privilege.

00:31:05.000 I actually don't think affirmative action is how we address education inequality.

00:31:09.000 Okay, well, affirmative action is still largely supported by the CRT regime.

00:31:14.000 But let's get back to CRT, to the essence of it.

00:31:16.000 CRT believes in one manifestation of its ideology is black-only dormitories.

00:31:16.000 Sure.

00:31:22.000 So white people are not allowed. 0.97

00:31:24.000 Do you believe in black-only dormitories? 0.88

00:31:27.000 No, and I don't have to agree with every aspect of an ideology to argue for it.

00:31:30.000 So then what part of CRT do you like?

00:31:33.000 Because they call whiteness a toxin, black-only dormitories. 0.99

00:31:37.000 And if you want to talk about like ideological or intellectual sloppiness, the 1619 project.

00:31:43.000 I think it's very sloppy.

00:31:45.000 Okay, we agree.

00:31:45.000 Nicole Hannah.

00:31:46.000 I think it's overstated.

00:31:47.000 And I think some of you are being fair.

00:31:49.000 Okay, good.

00:31:51.000 The parts of CRT that I think are most relevant and, you know, very factually, you can, you know, what am I trying to say?

00:31:59.000 There's a lot of evidence for them is the fact that previous inequalities, such as the institution of slavery, such as our treatment of Native Americans, do in fact affect those populations today.

00:32:08.000 And you were saying before in inner cities, there's a lot more crime.

00:32:12.000 And a lot of that is because of redlining and other practices that come directly from the mistreatment of minorities previously in this country.

00:32:18.000 So I want to make sure I understand.

00:32:20.000 So black people make up 13% of the American population.

00:32:23.000 Oh, 1350, my favorite.

00:32:24.000 Yes, exactly.

00:32:25.000 Why do they commit 55% of all the murders?

00:32:28.000 Super great question.

00:32:30.000 It's basically a very complex intersection of race and economic status.

00:32:35.000 It's pretty well known that minority people tend to be in a lower economic status because of discrimination.

00:32:42.000 So then why don't poor Asians commit a lot of murders? 1.00

00:32:45.000 Also a great question. 0.99

00:32:47.000 Asian people weren't originally brought to America on purpose like black people, and they weren't already present here like natives. 1.00

00:32:53.000 Wait, so blacks murder because they were brought here 250 years ago? 0.95

00:32:57.000 I would like to finish. 0.99

00:32:58.000 It's very simple.

00:32:58.000 Okay, just answer.

00:32:59.000 Black. 0.93

00:33:00.000 I am answering. 0.82

00:33:00.000 No, I know, but you're not really. 0.82

00:33:02.000 Asian Americans predominantly immigrate here for work reasons.

00:33:02.000 I am.

00:33:05.000 They come from already wealthy countries.

00:33:07.000 They're already wealthy when they get here.

00:33:09.000 Crime is committed primarily.

00:33:11.000 First of all, that's not true.

00:33:12.000 Talk to anybody from Vietnam.

00:33:14.000 Vietnamese?

00:33:14.000 Who's that?

00:33:14.000 Anybody?

00:33:15.000 Did your family come here wealthy?

00:33:17.000 No.

00:33:18.000 Not wealthy, but not saying they come here. 0.74

00:33:21.000 The average Vietnamese does not come here wealthy.

00:33:24.000 Okay.

00:33:24.000 I'm not.

00:33:24.000 I perhaps misspoke.

00:33:26.000 Not wealthy, but a lot of the, you know, you complain about it all the time.

00:33:29.000 A lot of the immigration from countries that border us, right, it's sort of desperate people who are of a lower economic status, right?

00:33:37.000 And they're coming here for a better life.

00:33:39.000 So two things.

00:33:39.000 Number one, there's been more blacks that have legally immigrated to this country in the last 30 years than were ever brought as slaves.

00:33:45.000 That's number one.

00:33:46.000 Number two, you still haven't answered the question.

00:33:48.000 I'm trying to.

00:33:50.000 It's a complicated answer. 0.99

00:33:51.000 Black people are only 13% of the population, yet they commit 55% of the murders. 1.00

00:33:56.000 Why? 0.99

00:33:57.000 Because black people tend to be in lower economic statuses because of complex because of CRT. 0.97

00:34:07.000 This is great.

00:34:08.000 So you think that poverty equals crime?

00:34:10.000 I think that it's highly correlated and there's a lot of people.

00:34:14.000 This is where we disagree.

00:34:15.000 What an insult to the working poorest. 0.98

00:34:17.000 Why do you think black people commit more crime? 0.99

00:34:19.000 Well, first of all, so how, let me ask you, let me ask you a question as my answer. 0.94

00:34:23.000 What percentage of blacks have a father around when they're raised?

00:34:26.000 I'm not sure.

00:34:27.000 20%.

00:34:28.000 80% of blacks do not have a stable father around. 0.98

00:34:31.000 It is the most predictable way to end up in prison, end up as a murderer, or a criminal. 0.52

00:34:37.000 It's not a racism problem.

00:34:39.000 It's not a white supremacy problem. 0.94

00:34:41.000 It's a fact that black fathers impregnate women and they don't stay around with the women that they have impregnated. 0.99

00:34:47.000 Charlie Kirk, do you think that that happens more in the black community compared to others? 0.94

00:34:52.000 It's threefold.

00:34:52.000 Number one, we subsidize single motherhood.

00:34:54.000 Number two, it's culture.

00:34:55.000 It's accepted in the black community.

00:34:57.000 And it shouldn't be.

00:34:57.000 It's culture.

00:34:58.000 Okay, okay.

00:34:58.000 Don't take my word for it.

00:35:00.000 Read Thomas Soule's own book on how black culture allows single motherhood to continue into a nanny state type practice. 0.96

00:35:07.000 75% of black youth are raised out of father in the home.

00:35:10.000 75%.

00:35:11.000 Is that a bigger problem or not a bigger problem than whiteness, white privilege, or white supremacy?

00:35:16.000 They should all be addressed and they're all related.

00:35:18.000 Okay, how is a white person to blame for the fact that 75% of blacks Oh, individual white people aren't at all to blame.

00:35:26.000 We agree.

00:35:26.000 Yeah.

00:35:27.000 So, but wouldn't it be more like smarter to be like, hey, that this is not about systemic racism?

00:35:32.000 Like, stop impregnating your women and abandoning them?

00:35:37.000 Well, the way to incentivize not impregnating women and abandoning them is increasing access to healthcare, into housing, into everything that we know increases. 0.99

00:35:47.000 So we've got that.

00:35:48.000 So we have spent $30 trillion on the social welfare system since 1965.

00:35:54.000 Black people are poorer, and the single motherhood went from 25% to now 75 to 80%. 0.99

00:35:59.000 So the more money we've spent on Black America, the less fathers we have because black women divorced black men and married the government. 1.00

00:36:08.000 And do you think that's a problem inherent to black people? 0.96

00:36:11.000 No, it's not.

00:36:12.000 It's happening now in white communities and Hispanic communities. 0.99

00:36:14.000 It's just the worst in Black America. 1.00

00:36:16.000 And why do you think that is? 0.88

00:36:18.000 Why is it the worst in Black America? 0.99

00:36:20.000 There's also a cultural problem.

00:36:21.000 There is. 0.99

00:36:23.000 It's just that black people are. 0.99

00:36:24.000 No, no, no. 0.99

00:36:25.000 Let me ask you a question.

00:36:26.000 The average music that a black person in Compton is listening to, is it about contemplating the good, the true, and the beautiful? 0.97

00:36:32.000 Or is it about being a gangbanger and trying to get as much money and sleep with as many girls as you can? 0.86

00:36:38.000 I would actually like to think that's a, I would be offended by that.

00:36:42.000 Do you think the average black kid in Compton is listening to Beethoven or some sort of gangster rap music that glorifies gangster culture? 0.98

00:36:51.000 Silly question. 0.98

00:36:51.000 Rap wasn't created to glorify gangster culture. 0.98

00:36:54.000 So even though there is a lot of people who are not answering, you're dodging the question because.

00:36:57.000 Okay, I'm sure they're listening to rap.

00:36:59.000 Okay.

00:37:00.000 Cheap rap music makes no difference.

00:37:02.000 Do you think the cultural expectation in black America is that you stay with the woman that you impregnate?

00:37:09.000 Within black communities, I can't speak on that.

00:37:11.000 Okay, the answer is no.

00:37:12.000 It's not.

00:37:13.000 It's not expected.

00:37:14.000 Okay.

00:37:14.000 And do you think that in white Anglo-Saxon Protestant communities?

00:37:19.000 Hold on.

00:37:19.000 It's a fact.

00:37:20.000 In upper middle class white communities.

00:37:22.000 Upper middle class.

00:37:22.000 Say that part louder.

00:37:23.000 Yeah.

00:37:24.000 Upper middle class white Anglo-Saxon Protestant communities.

00:37:26.000 If you impregnate a woman, you are looked down upon and we do not think highly of you if you abandon the woman that you impregnate.

00:37:33.000 That's a cultural difference.

00:37:35.000 It has nothing to do with money.

00:37:36.000 It has nothing to do with anything except norms and the norms that have infected black America are destroying it from within. 1.00

00:37:43.000 We need more fathers, not less.

00:37:45.000 We need more dads around and less drag queen story hour. 1.00

00:37:50.000 We need more young blacks to be able to look up to role models that are not leaving all the time and are not just saying, hey, I impregnated her, so be it. 0.85

00:38:03.000 It's a toxin. 0.97

00:38:04.000 And if we don't address that as the root cause, oh, it's white supremacy. 0.91

00:38:07.000 It's injustice.

00:38:08.000 It's economics.

00:38:09.000 We're dancing around the core of the issue.

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00:39:17.000 I guess what I'm saying is, right, and you've perfectly actually laid out the dichotomy here. 0.97

00:39:22.000 It is a fact, obviously, that black people disproportionately commit crime in this country. 1.00

00:39:26.000 No one's arguing that.

00:39:28.000 But you either believe that that is due to a complex intersection of social, economic, and like leftover effects from previous inequalities, or you believe that that is an inherent trait to the race.

00:39:38.000 No, I don't because they weren't that way in the 1940s and 50s.

00:39:42.000 Black America was one of the most peaceful, flourishing, fastest-growing economically communities in the country.

00:39:48.000 You're trying to point something on me that I don't believe.

00:39:48.000 It's not genetic.

00:39:50.000 Instead, then you do believe that it's not genetic.

00:39:52.000 So you do think CRT is correct.

00:39:54.000 Hold on a second.

00:39:56.000 In the 1940s and 1950s, Black America was prosperous and was on pace to be richer and wealthier than white America. 0.97

00:40:02.000 More dads were staying with the women that they were with.

00:40:05.000 There was monogamy.

00:40:06.000 What changed?

00:40:07.000 You're supporting my argument.

00:40:08.000 No, hold on, but answer the question.

00:40:09.000 What changed?

00:40:10.000 Did America get more racist since 1950?

00:40:12.000 I would argue there were more racist policies passed.

00:40:15.000 There were more policies dedicated to pushing them into poor housing and poor schools.

00:40:20.000 In the 1950s, Jackie Robinson had not even broken the color barrier.

00:40:20.000 Wait a second.

00:40:24.000 We had Jim Crow laws. 0.94

00:40:26.000 We hadn't passed the Civil Rights Act and we had passed the Voting Rights Act.

00:40:29.000 Yet blacks were better in the 1950s per capita than they are today. 1.00

00:40:33.000 So we have become less racist. 0.98

00:40:35.000 We've passed more anti-racist laws and given more stuff, and blacks are worse than they were 70 years ago. 1.00

00:40:41.000 So you're equating here institutional and social racism.

00:40:41.000 Yeah.

00:40:41.000 Why?

00:40:46.000 Social racism was certainly worse in the 1950s.

00:40:49.000 I'm sure everyone would agree.

00:40:50.000 But institutional racism occurs when policies are passed against people.

00:40:54.000 Come on, which can increase over time.

00:40:56.000 And it did.

00:40:57.000 You're not being intellectually honest.

00:40:58.000 You know that.

00:40:59.000 There were black-only drinking fountains in the 1950s.

00:41:02.000 We don't have those anymore.

00:41:03.000 Well, we're bringing it back with black-only dormitories. 1.00

00:41:05.000 But we had, for example, in the antebellum South in the 1950s, we had white-only communities, white by law. 0.52

00:41:14.000 We got rid of that with the Civil Rights Act. 0.67

00:41:16.000 But it didn't.

00:41:17.000 Unfortunately, we look around, the numbers speak for themselves.

00:41:22.000 Black youth are less likely to have fathers. 0.98

00:41:24.000 They're not doing as well as far as economically, they commit more crime. 0.98

00:41:27.000 So something changed.

00:41:29.000 And our argument is what changed is three things.

00:41:31.000 Number one, the imposition of the Great Society project by Lyndon Baines Johnson of spending $30 trillion since 1960s on Section 8 housing, on welfare, on, you know, all sorts where, as I said, that young black women married the government and they divorced young black men. 0.66

00:41:48.000 And then we also have had the, as Thomas Sowell and as Clarence Thomas would say, the soft bigotry of law expectations.

00:41:55.000 And we have been afraid to get to the root of the issue or even speak about it because we don't be called a racist.

00:42:00.000 So who, what is imposing those low expectations?

00:42:03.000 It's part of it is like white academic culture.

00:42:06.000 I'll give you an example.

00:42:08.000 I'm not saying you believe this, but Merrick Garland, the Attorney General of the United States, has come out and said having an ID to vote is racist. 1.00

00:42:15.000 That is code for saying black people are too dumb to get a voter ID. 1.00

00:42:20.000 You're doing it again. 1.00

00:42:21.000 You're simplifying a very nuanced, complex argument from the real people who are making it.

00:42:26.000 Is voter ID racist?

00:42:27.000 Obviously not, Charlie.

00:42:28.000 Okay, all right.

00:42:29.000 If you want to know where the argument comes from, I can eloquently tell you.

00:42:33.000 Eloquently tell me why voter ID is racist.

00:42:37.000 Right.

00:42:37.000 Certain policies in southern states were proposed that would, like, I think the quote from the person who decided the case was with surgical precision, target the times where black people were voting and make it like illegal or harder for them to get that to come at that time.

00:42:53.000 And then they were targeting the type of ID that black voters had and making that specific type of ID illegal.

00:42:59.000 That is racist.

00:43:00.000 Perfectly fair.

00:43:01.000 How does that impact today saying that every citizen, if you need an ID to vote, just that aside, why is it racist?

00:43:08.000 Because we have to have, you know, obviously humans are making those decisions, right?

00:43:12.000 And so if there is still institutional racism and people in power that are racist, we can't trust those institutions to make those decisions.

00:43:19.000 Institutional racism do we have in this country right now?

00:43:23.000 What you just named it, what 1350?

00:43:27.000 Oh well, affirmative action needs to happen because there is not that many minorities in these higher educations or higher education institutions.

00:43:36.000 No you're you're, you're being clear.

00:43:36.000 Okay, so that?

00:43:38.000 Which is then you lower standards.

00:43:40.000 No, affirmative action, always affirmative action, lowers standards, by definition.

00:43:46.000 I'm saying why affirmative action was introduced.

00:43:48.000 I'm not arguing for it.

00:43:49.000 Were you asking me why it was introduced or no, i'm saying, you agree, that's why it was introduced.

00:43:53.000 Well, I agree, why it was.

00:43:54.000 I don't think it ever should have been.

00:43:55.000 But yes right, but there is institutional inequality.

00:43:58.000 Yes well, I wouldn't even use the word inequality.

00:44:00.000 I mean I, I don't love looking at it that way, but of course, white people generally are richer than black people in this country, richer and more represented in politics and schools.

00:44:09.000 Yes somewhat yes, and why do you think that is, Charlie?

00:44:12.000 Well, hold on a second, let's. 0.69

00:44:13.000 Let's ask the question here, represented how so?

00:44:17.000 I mean, look at Congress.

00:44:19.000 Hold on a second.

00:44:19.000 Are white people represented fairly in the National Basketball Association?

00:44:24.000 Who cares?

00:44:25.000 What political representation?

00:44:29.000 I think that it should, by law, half of the NBA should be white. 0.99

00:44:32.000 Great fine, and and the product would suck, because blacks are much better at basketball than we whites are. 1.00

00:44:39.000 What political power does the NBA have? 0.99

00:44:41.000 A lot, actually.

00:44:42.000 The NBA reaches millions of people every day.

00:44:44.000 They have slogans that people internalize.

00:44:47.000 In fact, if the NBA had no political power, why would they have to wear black lives matter on all their jerseys? 0.90

00:44:52.000 Why would they tele?

00:44:53.000 Why would politicians try to get their endorsements all the time?

00:44:55.000 The NBA is more powerful than Congress in some ways of shaping the mind.

00:45:00.000 To be academically dishonest, hold on a second.

00:45:02.000 No, no.

00:45:03.000 But if you want fair representation, just to be clear, then why would you not be against whites by law being half of the National Basketball Association right now? 0.88

00:45:11.000 Sure, black people make up 88 of the NBA.

00:45:13.000 Do it, great.

00:45:14.000 Who cares?

00:45:15.000 No, I don't care, i'm saying okay.

00:45:17.000 So here's my point, all right, if we have, I have a shot.

00:45:20.000 Everybody, please listen.

00:45:21.000 If we, I could play for the Lakers, I hope.

00:45:24.000 Do it Charlie, i'll come to your games, i'll do it.

00:45:26.000 The point is this is that merit should triumph over all, which is awesome, okay.

00:45:31.000 So merit should triumph, we agree okay okay Charlie, do you think black people are not as smart or competent as white people perfect, so they should in theory then be equally represented.

00:45:42.000 No positions.

00:45:44.000 So have you ever read discrimination and disparities by Thomas Sole?

00:45:49.000 Do you only read Thomas Sole?

00:45:50.000 You've quoted him like three times.

00:45:51.000 I haven't read.

00:45:51.000 No, I read a lot more than Thomas Sole, but i'm happy to.

00:45:54.000 Thomas Sole's the only intellectual with the courage to go after, like these core issues of why Black America has fallen behind and why no one actually has studied it. 0.80

00:46:03.000 So let's just give a great example, when you don't have a father in the home, the amount of words that a child hears goes down by 60 to 70 percent.

00:46:12.000 The amount of words that a child I don't know if you're a mother or not or plan to be okay no, just it's.

00:46:17.000 It's an important point.

00:46:19.000 The amount of words that an 18 month year old hears is highly predictive of Iq verbal development.

00:46:25.000 Okay, so that's simple.

00:46:27.000 When you don't have a dad in the home, the mom is overwhelmed and there's just less interaction With the child, that's all fine, okay.

00:46:33.000 So, you we agree.

00:46:35.000 I'm just saying that is that's not because of racism, no, that's fine.

00:46:38.000 That's good.

00:46:39.000 No, she's she's, I know what you meant, but you have a all of a sudden they hear thousands of more words a day, and they're they're already like way further ahead of a single motherhood, a single mother raising a child.

00:46:52.000 That's not racism, okay.

00:46:53.000 So, dads are good, yes, great.

00:46:55.000 Okay, what my question is: I'm saying dads actually answer most of the questions that you might have about why black America is falling behind, okay?

00:47:02.000 But because their dads don't stay around, and that's trying to sort of get to you to reconcile your own beliefs.

00:47:07.000 And if that's true, which is fine, that's true, we can say that's true.

00:47:11.000 Um, you either believe that that has social and economic causes, or you believe that, oh, black culture is just worse, no, and there isn't another thing to think about. 1.00

00:47:22.000 No, I see it was very clear right now.

00:47:24.000 Black culture is being held captive by influences, songs, which influences Cardi B. 1.00

00:47:32.000 Okay, Nikki Minaj is causing dads to leave the home. 1.00

00:47:34.000 Hold on, I don't think that's a good role model for 18-year-old black girls. 1.00

00:47:38.000 I don't. 0.99

00:47:38.000 I don't think that songs that are talking about like glorifying wet female genitalia is exactly. 0.99

00:47:46.000 I don't know which one wrote that song, which one was I think it was Ben Shapiro.

00:47:49.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:47:50.000 Yeah, but is but and but by the way, the role models of the 1940s and 50s for black America were completely different.

00:47:58.000 So it is a representation issue.

00:48:00.000 Hold on a second, no representation.

00:48:01.000 It's who do you get your art from?

00:48:03.000 It's what values are they putting forward.

00:48:06.000 It's the question of every day, for example, more times than not, black politicians will lament the condition of America. 0.97

00:48:15.000 It's systemically racist, it's terrible. 0.84

00:48:17.000 What does that do to a 14-year-old black kid if you just find that you hear that everything is rigged against you?

00:48:22.000 Instead, they should be saying, Hey, there might be some barriers, but if you believe in yourself enough, you can achieve in this country.

00:48:28.000 It creates a form of social conditioning of low expectations.

00:48:32.000 And that's not my argument.

00:48:33.000 You know whose argument that is?

00:48:35.000 Barack Obama's.

00:48:36.000 I don't necessarily know that.

00:48:37.000 Barack Obama said.

00:48:39.000 Barack Obama said, Number one, we need more fathers in the home.

00:48:41.000 This is when Barack Obama.

00:48:42.000 Back Obama's a liberal.

00:48:43.000 I don't care what he's got to say.

00:48:45.000 Okay, but Barack Obama.

00:48:46.000 And then secondly, he said that we can't keep telling our black youth that you can't succeed in this country.

00:48:51.000 Anybody can succeed in this country.

00:48:53.000 And Obama was right when he said that.

00:48:55.000 Obama was correct when he said that we need to change the story we're telling black America. 1.00

00:49:00.000 Which is fine.

00:49:00.000 I've never heard any teacher look at a black person and say, oh, you can't succeed because of racism.

00:49:05.000 Hold on a second.

00:49:05.000 But what is the embedded message of all the propaganda saying it's systemically racist?

00:49:11.000 You're going to run into racist employers that they're going to discriminate against you.

00:49:16.000 It creates this heaviness of why even try by the time college students get to college, they've experienced all that.

00:49:21.000 They don't need to be told.

00:49:23.000 You think that the average, I'm curious, you think that the average black student at this university experiences like active daily racism?

00:49:33.000 I'd be curious.

00:49:34.000 I'm just curious.

00:49:36.000 I don't know.

00:49:37.000 Maybe it's true.

00:49:38.000 Maybe it's as bad as it was in the antebellum South.

00:49:40.000 I'm not saying that, obviously.

00:49:41.000 Okay.

00:49:41.000 I did say social racism improved.

00:49:44.000 I'm saying institutional racism is still present, and that's what's causing lower outcomes for minority communities.

00:49:51.000 Do you think the reason why only 20 to 25%, we don't know the number, it's just a range per year.

00:49:57.000 So one in four of black youth have a stable father around.

00:50:01.000 What would you just say is the big, why is that the why is that the reason?

00:50:04.000 A complex intersection of social and economic reasons, which are outlined in CRT.

00:50:09.000 Okay.

00:50:10.000 Thank you for the dialogue.

00:50:11.000 Thank you.

00:50:12.000 Okay.

00:50:16.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:50:18.000 Email us as alwaysfreedom at charliekirk.com.

00:50:20.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - April 24, 2024

What Makes College A Scam? My Debate at Cal State Fullerton

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