Will Tebow joins the show to talk about the Joint Chiefs of Staff, CQ Brown, and Mike Cernovich joins us to talk the New Right and what makes us different, unique, and more capable than ever before.
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00:02:56.000And we have an ideology, of course, and you talk about that often enough.
00:03:01.000What I'm interested in kind of talking about is the self-confidence that people like J.D. Vance have.
00:03:07.000So a good example of how this is demonstrated is that the way the National Review and a lot of other so-called conservative media outlets would manipulate the narrative.
00:03:18.000Is they wouldn't have strong people like you, Posobiec.
00:03:21.000They wouldn't have the big guns to come on or ban it.
00:03:25.000They wouldn't have the big guns come on and talk directly.
00:04:21.000And I mean that in the combative fighting way, not a different context.
00:04:26.000And everybody has the confidence to do this now because the new right is the party of religion, philosophy, history.
00:04:34.000If you want to understand obscure historical topics, you can read about...
00:04:40.000I was red-pilled on the conquistadors and how that was actually far more complicated than we were taught in history, the Spanish Civil War.
00:04:49.000I know that you and Jack talk about that a lot.
00:04:51.000So there's an intellectual component to the new right, but there's also a, we don't need your head paps.
00:04:58.000We don't need your little cookies, right?
00:05:01.000We don't need the libs to say, oh, these people, the most- Good little gnome.
00:05:13.000Charlie Kirk makes a lot of great points.
00:05:15.000That's why you won't have him on, and that's why you guys try to act like an intermediary between the energy of the modern Christian conservatives, the modern new right, and everybody realizes that we just have to go direct, and also people, of course, go very hard.
00:05:31.000JD's obviously more civil than other people, so I think that's the biggest...
00:05:35.000If I had to explain it because somebody from another country was asking me, hey, what's up?
00:05:40.000And I would go, it's a new self-confidence.
00:05:48.000I want to zero in on one thing you said here, which is that our side has a philosophical depth to it that I have not seen in my 13 years of doing this.
00:06:01.000We get described by our critics as just being power politics and just caring about winning elections.
00:06:07.000But MAGA has matured in its love of philosophy, of ancient things, to wonder about really what matters, what is good, true, and beautiful, of the great books, the great authors, and the great traditions of the West.
00:06:24.000Speak about this, Cerno, about how the right gets caricatured as just being You know, a bunch of guys from the back hills of Appalachia, when in reality, it's the leaders that are openly talking about Aquinas, thinking about Montesquieu, Rousseau, Locke, and understanding the implications of these ideas when it comes to politics.
00:06:47.000Yeah, there's always been a philosophical depth to working class people.
00:07:19.000But as a lot of people from humble backgrounds, You know, the Posobics, a lot of people from different backgrounds where your dad might be a machinist, your dad might have a different kind of factory job.
00:07:47.000You know, they had to remind me, you know, Andrew reminded me before I went on to watch my language, which I should anyway, because we're on national TV, and I should just watch it anyway now, being a father of four children.
00:08:06.000And it's very much, and I'm not threatening violence, obviously, but within the working class world, there's very much an understanding that you've got to...
00:08:16.000And these snobs, or they think they're snobs, they always talk down to us.
00:08:22.000And we never had our own platforms, a way to respond.
00:08:25.000Whereas if you went into a small town, if you went to a small town and you talk down to people like the way these guys do, it would be a different situation.
00:08:37.000Oh, Neville Chamberlain was a pacifier, and he was responsible for every great evil of World War II, and we can't be like him, and somehow the Ukraine war is just like that, right?
00:08:55.000And the reason that these old-school neocons, these former leftists, as they call themselves, even though they showed that that was always a fake PSYOT thing, They can't handle this.
00:09:05.000We can talk Aristotelian virtue ethics.
00:09:22.000I know because I would watch them and I would think, you haven't done any of the reading, but you can always tell who has or hasn't done the reading.
00:09:33.000Yeah, there's a glibness to these people.
00:09:35.000And so, for example, I would just, you know, because now they're all like, oh, all these guys care about power.
00:09:40.000It's like, no, actually, we care about virtue.
00:09:42.000The conservative movement, especially the Christian conservative movement, even people who aren't necessarily Christian but are in that Western value, no, no, it's more Aristotelian.
00:09:56.000It's conducting yourself in a courageous way because chief of all virtues is courage.
00:10:02.000They don't have any understanding of this, and they claim they understand Hegel, even though I've read Hegel, and it's a bit laughable that they haven't done that.
00:12:05.000That is 1-800-4-RELIEF, 1-800-4-RELIEF. So let me ask you, Mike, what pitfalls can we avoid of what you saw in Trump 1 that we have to make sure we do not repeat here during Trump 2?
00:12:21.000The professionalism of staffing is so well handled that I barely, even other than the big hits, I barely see that as my duty anymore.
00:12:31.000The first term, remember, a lot of people become frustrated with me because I would report about staffing that ended up, unfortunately, being right.
00:13:10.000And the next thing you know, a year later, they're calling you Nazis or they're claiming that you're woke.
00:13:16.000They're claiming that you're throwing Roman salutes when you're waving at people.
00:13:20.000And I really want the bulwark to be up against that, to tell people it's good for people to change their minds, and you don't want to be mean to people who claim they're a former leftist, but you don't have to promote them, right?
00:13:34.000You don't have to pop them up, because 99 out of 100 times, this is an act, right?
00:13:41.000You have to be gentle as doves, but people forget wise as discernment.
00:13:49.000No, you have to be wise like a serpent.
00:13:51.000You have to recognize that there's a lot of shenanigans happening.
00:13:56.000You must be wise as a serpent, but gentle as a dove.
00:14:00.000So let me ask you, as we are proceeding, do we possibly have a threat of being too cocky, too confident, where we become a little too uppity, a little too high on our own supply?
00:14:14.000I love that you said that because I've been feeling, even within myself, because there's all this masculine energy.
00:14:21.000It's almost like football energy or fighting energy where you're a little bit too wound up.
00:14:26.000And that's something that I'm trying to be mindful of in myself and others.
00:14:32.000Logos is rationality, but also there's a component of we broke free from the COVID longhouse.
00:14:38.000We broke free from the moral skulls, but we don't want to lose our morality either.
00:15:16.000So as I conduct myself in a certain way, even though people know I can be a little crass and whatever, don't post anything that the Maha Moms, that could turn away the Maha Moms, right?
00:15:29.000So we need to, as we recalibrate this new line.
00:15:35.000Sorry to interrupt, Mike, but I think Maha Moms is number one.
00:15:38.000I think skeptical of foreign wars, younger crypto bros, kind of the people I represent, we can't do anything to kind of necessarily turn them off.
00:15:46.000What would you say is the third pillar of this new coalition we must care about?
00:15:50.000The people who are like, there's this wonderful woman, I think her name is Katie, she works for Andreessen Horowitz.
00:15:56.000There's people who are kind of moderate, they're sort of watching and trying to figure things out.
00:16:02.000So I do think, and I think everybody is, So far, behaving themselves well.
00:16:06.000But I do think we need to be mindful of our P's and Q's and do our best to let people know that there is a depth to what we talk about.
00:18:34.000That on Friday evenings we get Kennedy Center news, we get all sorts of stuff.
00:18:39.000The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, C.Q. Brown, fired!
00:18:45.000And joining us is Will Thibodeau to discuss first, what is the chairman of the Joint Chiefs and why should it even exist in the first place, Will?
00:18:53.000The chairman of the Joint Chiefs is the senior ranking military, uniformed military officer in the armed forces.
00:19:02.000He sits atop what's called the Joint Staff, which is an organization that by statute gives advice and consent to the president on matters of military affairs.
00:19:12.000Now, importantly, what did I leave out?
00:19:14.000The Joint Staff does not control troops in the battlefield or aircraft carriers on the sea.
00:19:19.000He doesn't make decisions about the budget or where troops go.
00:19:22.000That's the Department of the Secretary of Defense.
00:19:25.000The Joint Staff provides advice and consent to the president.
00:19:30.000And therefore, I think that says a lot about why the president should have ultimate prerogative.
00:19:36.000Over who serves as the chairman of the Joint Chiefs and which generals serve on the joint staff from the respective services.
00:19:43.000But the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, in part because of Mark Milley, has become this godlike figure who controls all matters of military affairs, and that's not true.
00:19:53.000Yeah, and so I want to understand why this institution exists in the first place, and I'm open either way.
00:20:00.000I don't have that strong of opinions, but I tend to ask the question of first principles.
00:20:05.000It feels as if it's another layer of kind of oligarchic bureaucracy in the Department of Defense that is neither constitutional nor essential.
00:20:21.000Should have good military advice from competent leaders who are combat proven and can help the president make decisions that help us win the next war and help the president make foreign policy decisions because the military also should not make foreign policy decisions.
00:20:39.000The Goldwater-Nichols Act of 1986 was also a key statute in this formation.
00:20:44.000But again, the Joint Staff only provides advice and consent.
00:20:48.000Again, it doesn't own resources or operational decisions in the field.
00:20:52.000There are almost no political appointees in the joint staff, even though it is now about 4,000 large when you include contractors.
00:21:03.000There's a joke in the Pentagon that you can't plan a unit barbecue without joint staff concurrence.
00:21:09.000Even though these people in the joint staff, these generals have no, again, authority, they have somehow weaseled their way into every decision that the military makes, and they are immune from political accountability.
00:21:24.000If there is a deep state in the Pentagon, it is the joint staff.
00:21:28.000We've convinced ourselves that these leaders and the staff...
00:21:32.000Persist throughout time in administrations, immune from political accountability, and it's time for change.
00:21:38.000I think firing C.Q. Brown is a really good start, but let's consider some other things.
00:21:46.000Why do they work in the Pentagon if they work directly for the president?
00:21:50.000We always were afraid of being close to the flagpole when I was in the military because we were then under the watchful eye of our boss.
00:21:56.000Well, let's bring them closer to the flagpole.
00:21:59.000I think there's empty office space in USAID and D.C. and probably some offices in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, too, where we could retask these joint staff from bureaucratic malaise and actually towards the proper advice that they should focus on giving President Trump.
00:22:14.000Fascinating question, I think worthy of examination, and I've heard a lot of complaints that that is the deep state of the leadership of the DOD. So on Friday evening, President Trump terminated C.Q. Brown.
00:22:25.000Let's put up a picture of C.Q. Brown, please, on screen.
00:22:28.000The termination of C.Q. Brown was met with a lot of media fury.
00:22:33.000So if you can see there, C.Q. Brown is sitting.
00:22:38.000Help me understand, what war or civilization did he conquer to get the medals that make it look as if he won World War II? What on earth did he do to do that?
00:22:53.000And that's somewhat of a sarcastic question, but...
00:22:56.000We overly reward failure in the military, number one.
00:23:01.000Secondly, what do you make of the firing of him as an individual C.Q. Brown?
00:23:06.000Sadly, Charlie, you could argue that the civilization that he helped conquer was our own.
00:23:11.000The class of C.Q. Brown were the class of military leaders who presided.
00:23:19.000At key points in their career over the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
00:23:44.000You know, it's not just a trite online meme to, you know, juxtapose a picture of Mark Milley or C.Q. Brown with Dwight Eisenhower, the Supreme Allied Commander, you know, who won World War II with fewer generals, smaller bureaucracy in the Pentagon.
00:24:03.000He figured out a way to do it, and it seemed like he didn't at least need to wear all the medals he won on his way.
00:24:11.000But C.Q. Brown was fired because he's not the man who should provide advice and consent to President Trump, and President Trump wanted someone else.
00:24:19.000That's reason enough as far as I'm concerned, but let's examine C.Q. Brown's career as a four-star general.
00:25:51.000It's not necessarily to disparage the man, but there's a lot about his career before he was the chairman of the Joint Chiefs that should...
00:25:57.000That should bring into question his ability to be an objective leader during President Trump's agenda.
00:26:04.000And that begins with DEI and how he established race quotas for the Air Force.
00:26:11.000He said as commander of Air Force's Pacific that the Air Force would remedy racial...
00:26:18.000Systemic racism in America, which is troubling if you really think about that statement.
00:26:23.000He also made an effort in just one example to make flight school in the Air Force look like America.
00:26:29.000Who got selected to be pilots in the Air Force was not based on your...
00:26:35.000They wanted to make sure the race and sex composition looked a certain way.
00:26:41.000We didn't graduate enough pilots during that experiment of General C.Q. Brown.
00:26:47.000Again, he may be, by all accounts, is a good man, but we can't forget the extent to which he politicized the military himself as an Air Force general.
00:27:17.000On his first day in the job, he signed a memo.
00:27:21.000That importantly ended race and sex as a consideration for personnel and programs.
00:27:27.000What most Republican senators urge and even past secretaries of defense and Republican administrations, they'll reemphasize the importance of merit.
00:27:38.000Bureaucracy of the Pentagon will go about with service-wide race quotas and diversity programs because they fulfill this McKinsey and Company-backed lie that our diversity is our strength.
00:27:54.000And, you know, sure enough, accountability for certain senior military officers, including the top service JAGs.
00:28:02.000Including other members of the Joint Staff is a key part of it because it was senior uniformed military officers who propagated this ideology.
00:28:12.000They violated the Uniform Code of Military Justice countless times by advocating and speaking on behalf of a political cause, that being DEI, while in uniform.
00:28:23.000It's not following orders to speak at a Women's Equality Day event.
00:28:30.000It's not just following orders to make absurd comparisons between Christian Americans and Hamas on Twitter.
00:28:40.000These are real problems that compromise the trust of the American people and the military leadership class.
00:28:46.000So I think, frankly, there's more to go.
00:28:49.000There are more people who need to go and more vigilance to be paid.
00:28:54.000But all signs show that the political leadership at the...
00:28:57.000The Pentagon understands this, and it's a question of making sure they follow through with it, and we can help them.
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00:30:19.000But now we know, due to leaked chats on company time, not company time, taxpayer time, government time, these are the people that are spying on you.
00:30:30.000These are the people that are watching your messages, watching your emails, watching what you have to say.
00:31:40.000I found it that I like being penetrated, but all the rest is just as important as well.
00:31:46.000These are the people that are running your intel agencies, that are running your government, that are in charge of keeping the nation safe.
00:31:53.000One of the weirdest things that gave me euphoria.
00:32:08.000The servers are supposed to be for government work, but gender activists have hijacked at least two of the channels for LGBTQA and ICPrideTWG.
00:32:17.000I've said that I do not think that trans people should be in the U.S. military.
00:32:21.000I don't think trans people should be in the intel community.
00:32:23.000It is a sister agency of the military.
00:32:26.000Obviously, they are showing that they are not capable of staying focused on the main thing.
00:33:25.000They're supposed to be cross-checking satellite imagery, not talking about their butthole being zapped.
00:33:32.000This is the regime that, by the way, when Senate Republicans go on Capitol Hill and they talk about the intel agencies, oh, we must trust the intel agents.
00:33:41.000Putin's bad because the intel agencies tell us our intel reports.
00:33:45.000This is who's authoring their intel reports.
00:33:47.000People like Dylan Mulvaney bragging about the most graphic things imaginable on government devices during government time using taxpayer servers.
00:33:59.000Imagine that they could also be vulnerable to being blackmailed by the Chinese Communist Party.
00:34:03.000All it takes is to compromise one NSA agent and say, hey, leak these 550 things or else we're going to go public with your butthole zapping.
00:34:24.000Enough trying to assuage people's feelings and either you play to win and you have a country that is worthy of defending, which we do, or we're going to have chat rooms discussing fetishes, kink, sex, all legitimized as DEI. And these are the intel agencies that many of your Senate Republicans Take a knee to.
00:34:45.000No, we need massive and dramatic change.