Victor Davis Hansen joins the show to discuss his new book, "End of Everything: How Wars Descend into Annihilation" and why he doesn't think there is a Democratic Party anymore. He also discusses why the Democratic Party is failing, and why it's time to go back to basics.
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00:01:04.000will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries destroyed lives and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country that's why we are here joining us now is one of my favorite people.
00:01:23.000It's Victor Davis Hansen, author of the forthcoming book, updated paperback edition of The End of Everything, How Wars Descend into Annihilation.
00:01:33.000And boy, is that a great way to describe what's happening between Russia and Ukraine?
00:01:37.000Victor Davis Hansen is also a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution.
00:01:56.000Well, you can ascertain that by a lot of factors.
00:02:02.000We've never really seen the Republican Party register more voters in a year or any definite period that was defined in the Democratic Party.
00:02:12.000And we're seeing, in addition to that, massive defections from the Democratic Party to the independent affiliations.
00:02:20.000and then we see this astounding statistic that while the white working the white vote in 16 20 and 24 stayed pretty constant the reason that Donald Trump won the popular vote the third time around was a 55% of Hispanics and maybe anywhere from 23% to 25% Hispanic males and then 20% to 25% of black males.
00:02:48.000So the data shows that something's going wrong and then you look at the popularity indexes and there's about 35%.
00:02:57.000That doesn't mean that they can't win a binary election if they run, you know, just demonize Trump and say that, you know, we're we're we don't represent anything.
00:03:09.000And it's ob always harder to have a counter-revolution restoration in a year than it's easier to destroy things in four years like I think the Biden period did.
00:03:22.000But the question I think you're asking is what happened to them?
00:03:26.000And I think there was a lot of factors.
00:03:28.000One is we have 50 million people who were not born in the United States.
00:03:33.000And so when you look at a lot of the signature.
00:03:36.000candidates or politicos in the Democratic Party, whether it's the squad, Ilian Omar, or Mandami, the second, first and second generation were not they were not receptive to the idea of civic education or we didn't offer it to them so assimilation integration may have taken place on a personal level but it surely didn't in an americanization and so we brought a lot of people into the country and yet
00:04:06.000when they set foot here most of them were from the former third world their attitude was the left offers me all sorts of benefits free this scholarships student loans DEI preference affirmative action and the right is more entrepreneurial so you see a breakdown of immigrants who are entrepreneurial electricians,
00:04:29.000plumbers or voting Republican, but the elite that has had a very powerful effect on the Democratic Party, the elite first and second generation immigrants, especially on matters of Israel or DEI.
00:04:45.000The second thing very quickly is the universities are not liberal biased anymore, they're socialist biased, and they have trained the elite of the Democratic Party.
00:04:54.000Third, globalization favored a bicoastal elite that had global skills, media law, high-tech, corporate boardroom, and disadvantaged people in the interior that were natural resource extraction, farming, mining, timber, assembly, things like that, muscular labor.
00:05:15.000And there was a vocabulary that, you know, as we've talked about, irredeemables, deplorables.
00:05:28.000And that kind of became a credo of the Democratic Party.
00:05:32.000We're the professional classes and we're smarter because we got really wealthy out of globalization and now we can concentrate on utopian agendas like transgenderism or New Green Deal.
00:05:44.000But they lost touch, in other words, with the old lunch bucket middle class of the Democratic Party.
00:05:50.000So if you look at 92 and 96 Clinton convention agendas, they were paranoid about drifting too far, at least rhetorically from the middle class.
00:06:13.000And then finally, Charlie, if you look at the fertility rates of red and the top red state, the top 10 fertile states going up to 2.1 to 1.8 are all red and the bottom from 1.5 all the way to 1.3 are all blue and you've got about a 4 million person exodus in addition.
00:06:35.000So there's a sense in the Democratic Party that they're paranoid or that their model of a blue state professional, especially women who may have one or no children, and they want to concentrate, as AOC said, on things like global warming rather than child raising and traditional families.
00:06:55.000And you can see that with the demonstrations, the type of person who goes to those anti-ice radical demonstrations tend to be single women or professional women, especially they're overrepresented.
00:07:44.000He's likely to be the next mayor of our largest city.
00:07:47.000And so while you're contesting that the Democrat Party doesn't really exist, they're about, the very insurgent wing is about to conquer America's largest city.
00:07:58.000And what is the major takeaway here, Victor Davis Hansen?
00:08:01.000Yeah, well, I think he's going to win.
00:08:03.000But he's going to win on about the basis of somewhere between 11 and 15 percent of the resident population.
00:08:11.000Voting for mayor is not like for president.
00:08:13.000So you're not going to get a big turnout.
00:08:15.000And they're going to split the vote three ways and the vote between Curtis Silwa and Eric Adams and Cuomo together is going to probably be about 50 percent.
00:08:31.000The other thing is that New York is a little different.
00:08:35.000About 30 or 40 percent of the population is on rent control and probably over a million people are either working for city or state government in New York or they're working for kind of affiliated NGOs that have government contracts.
00:08:53.000So it's not representative of the United States as a whole.
00:08:58.000But you make a good point when you would say, well, Victor, wait a minute, they elected Giuliani and they elected Bloomberg, and these people were moderates or conservatives in some sense, so why did they change to this?
00:09:11.000And I think it's this idea that this professional class that I talked about, especially single metrosexuals, urban people, they're highly educated, and they feel that for a variety of reasons, they are not getting the type of deference or advantages that they feel that their superior morality and intellectual ability and education and degrees warrant.
00:09:40.000So it's basically an appeal to the upper white professional class and the subsidized poor.
00:09:51.000But I don't think it's representative of America in general.
00:10:00.000So then I want to extrapolate how we might, this is my thesis, and I believe you agree, we might see more Mamdanis if we do not create a culture of ownership and how small how private property ownership, owning land is the greatest deterrent from Mamdanis.
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00:11:28.000Can you pick up on what I was saying, author of End of Everything?
00:11:32.000everything on we need a society of owners not just renters which I believe is one of the reasons why if Momdaniism were to become a spreading virus it would be because of that.
00:11:45.000Yeah, I wrote a book about that called The Other Greeks that the origins of Western culture occurred around 700 BC when all of a sudden there were radical changes in land ownership.
00:11:57.000population increases and a rise of a small but predominant agrarian class, ten acre farmers.
00:12:04.000Same thing when this country was founded, 90% of people were agrarian.
00:12:11.000that Jefferson said, when people are piled up in the cities and they don't own property, then it's not going to work because it depends on an autonomous, self reliant person to take on the responsibilities of consensual government.
00:12:28.000And the problem is, Charlie, is that you look at home ownership and across administrations in decades, it's still stagnated around 62 percent, 60 percent.
00:12:40.000It's about the same percentage as the labor participation rate.
00:12:45.000And I don't know, part of it is the rise of the welfare socialist state.
00:12:48.000for social estate that creates laxity and dependency.
00:12:51.000But the other problem is the interest rates have been too high and the regulations have been too steep.
00:13:00.000So here in California, you know, the average small, I don't know, 1,800 square foot home is a million dollars.
00:13:08.000And the interest rates are seven percent.
00:13:10.000So to the degree people are buying houses or have houses, they're inheriting either the house, second home or their house from their parents, or they're inheriting the capital or being lent the capital from their parents who were from a different generation and it was much easier to buy.
00:13:27.000So you're right, the Republicans have to address that.
00:13:31.000And it's it's taken the Republicans very quickly a little while to adjust that they're a populist nationalist middle class party.
00:13:38.000Because if you listen to what Mitt Romney was saying or John McCain or the Bushes, it was always, let's lower the capital gains rate or let's privatize social security or let's deregulate.
00:13:48.000There was some logic to it, but it ignored the idea that the middle class is the largest group in America and you can win elections if you have free market solutions to the inability to buy homes.
00:14:05.000So about one minute remaining here, just really quick.
00:14:07.000I had a conversation recently with a hedge fund type, he said, but Charlie, owning is a failed and is an old concept.
00:15:56.000And third, it's somebody because we're the only real successful multiracial democracy in history who believes their superficial appearance or their ethnic racial background religious is incidental to who they are, that it's not essential.
00:16:12.000What's essential is they're an American that transcends race and religion and gender and sexual orientation.
00:16:19.000But if you don't do that, then you're going to end up like these large.
00:16:23.000democracies that are multiracial, multi-ethnic that don't work like Brazil or India where you have caste systems and racial tensions and racial essentialism.
00:16:33.000Yeah, and that's the reason I asked the question is that you have people like Mamdani or Omar Fattah or Y Elon Omar, that do not share our values, that do not share our worldview.
00:16:45.000And so many of our traditions are Anglo at its core.
00:16:50.000And so I think we need to just graduate above this idea that just because you have your paperwork organized, you are an American and you need to have your full spirit bought in, your thumos bought into the nation, the allegiance.
00:17:06.000Well, we can do that because we're the, we take in more immigrants legal and illegal until recently illegal than all the countries put together.
00:17:54.000You'll go to a separate graduation, a separate dorm when we get you into and that's all and you're going to be angry at this country and it's going to be very lucrative for you.
00:18:03.000It's going to be very advantageous versus the melting pot integration and assimilation.
00:18:08.000In closing here, I want to have an opportunity for you to talk about your book, The End of Everything.
00:18:12.000And I'd love to hear your take on the Peloponnesian War and what did that do to Athenian democracy.
00:18:18.000So tell us about your book and tell us about the Peloponnesian War and its impact on Athenian democracy.
00:18:24.000Well, I looked at four societies in history, ancient Thebes.
00:18:29.000the Aztecs, Carthage, and Constantinople.
00:18:34.000Most wars do not lead to utter destruction.
00:18:37.000The culture, the language, everything vanishes.
00:18:40.000And it's because they're not, they have an unrealistic view that of their robustness, they're in decline, they don't recognize it.
00:18:47.000They don't recognize that people really do want to destroy them, and they don't realize they have the ability to destroy them.
00:18:53.000So this happens in history, and it's relevant to the present because we keep dismissing bio, nerve gas, AI, atomic weapons, but it doesn't mean we've gone to the end of history.
00:19:10.000And so that was one of the reasons I wrote it.
00:19:11.000In the epilogue, I listed all of the existential threats made by North Korea, China, Turkey, Russia to destroy not just the army of the enemy, but to wipe out an entire civilization.
00:19:24.000So it's not unusual that it can't, I mean, it's going to happen again somewhere.
00:19:30.000And I was just trying to give the reader a description of how it happened in the past and could that happen in the future.
00:19:37.000And I think it could, especially as we see in Ukraine.
00:19:41.000When Donald Trump said to Zelensky, you're on the bridge of nuclear war, what he was saying is, fair or not, when you attack Russia and you have no nuclear weapons and they have nuclear weapons and you're and they may be humiliated, be careful what happens.
00:19:56.000He didn't mean to say that you shouldn't do it.
00:19:58.000He was just trying to apprise them that we've never done this in the Cold War.
00:20:02.000And the Cold War, the proxy war did not involve the two rivals on the doorstep of one threatening.
00:20:11.000And when Cuba was armed by the Soviet Union pointing missiles at us, we said, no, we're not going to do that.
00:20:19.000I mean, we all resent what Russia do, and I oppose it.
00:20:22.000I support Ukraine, but we are the West is having a proxy to hurt Russia rather.
00:20:28.000And that's what was unique about Trump when he said he's the only person talking about a million to a million and a half wounded, dead, missing.
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00:21:49.000A year ago in Jubilee, it was the shot heard around the world, seen hundreds of millions of times.
00:21:53.000I think it was probably over a billion views if you count all the clips.
00:21:56.000It was the marker right into our campus tour.
00:21:58.000And now it's kind of become a rite of passage where a lot, almost everywhere on the right and on the left, they go through this Jubilee thing and it's internet shock debating.
00:22:05.000I saw this clip of a young man take on this very nasty, condescending.
00:22:11.000liberal woman by the name of Amanda Seals.
00:22:20.000And boy, it was just beautiful to witness.
00:22:22.000And the young man did a great job of deconstructing her arguments, of not taking the bait of rejecting the premise and it takes a lot of talent and skill and bringing the facts.
00:22:31.000It is Matt Nuclear who debated on Jubilee.
00:22:34.000You can find him on exit, Matt Nuclear 60466.
00:22:38.000We had to get him a better handle, but we'll work on that.
00:22:52.000So I've been debating since I was fifteen years old.
00:22:54.000I started debating on smaller platforms until recently when I've been doing TikTok live debates talking about the Israel Palestine conflict, talking about domestic policy and Trump and Harris and all those sorts of different things.
00:23:07.000And I was invited on Jubilee to debate a liberal, although she turned out to be a radical.
00:23:12.000That's what she called herself later on.
00:23:37.000Because, you know, I do this profession.
00:23:38.000I do this, you know, hundreds of hours a year.
00:23:40.000And so I know what I know what's hard and easy.
00:23:43.000I know what pull and it's hard to get the vocabulary right and the tone and the premise and all that, especially while you're being filmed.
00:23:49.000Not to mention age eighteen, play cut 360.
00:23:53.000You can give everyone here like a $50,000 check, especially people that are in the streets who are committing violent crimes consistently, a $50,000 check.
00:24:09.000I think the only racism that we've actually seen recently, systemic racism that we've seen is the application of systemic racism against white people.
00:24:15.000The University of Western Washington, for example, has been trying to segregate dormitories using black only dormitories because black people feel safer amongst each other, but they're more likely to kill each other than white people ever to kill them.
00:24:53.000I gave her my name and I was very respectful and she and she responded in a very condescending way, telling me that I should respond to her or speak to her as if she was my mother when she's not my motherher.
00:25:03.000She's a she's a crazy radical leftist who has no respect.
00:25:07.000Before I play another piece of tape, how did you become a conservative?
00:25:12.000Because she was basically saying throughout the whole thing, I didn't watch the whole thing, I watched some of it that how dare you young black man be right wing, how did you become conservative?
00:25:23.000Like I've always been interested in politics and Donald Trump and just seeing everything, watching Ben Shapiro, Ben Carson, Thomas Sowell and looking into everyone's arguments and even you yourself as well and Turning Point USA and what you guys have done.
00:25:36.000And I think after learning a lot, after researching, after trying to figure things out, I was like well, I more politically align with the right.
00:25:42.000And I think that the right is justified politically.
00:25:46.000I think what they are doing is justified.
00:25:49.000I think the MAG movement is a great movement.
00:25:52.000And I just found myself aligning with facts and logic.
00:25:57.000And I feel that that most aligns with the Republican Party or the right in general.
00:26:13.000I was raised in a Christian household.
00:26:15.000My father has always been political, but he was born in Angola.
00:26:17.000And so I don't really know, like, whether or not he's conservative.
00:26:20.000I think you'd be considered a conservative.
00:26:22.000Um, but my parents weren't too political.
00:26:25.000When I was younger, my, my, like, even like six years old or five years old, my father used to make me, like, you know, write things down that would, you know, they would be on the newspaper there.
00:27:03.000How come they don't complain and feel entitled consistently to beg for reparations and beg for this when they are killing each other ninety percent of the time, which is the rate that black people kill each other according to the FBI.
00:28:17.000And we know this because it's peer reviewed and it's from multiple areas and it's from different cities.
00:28:22.000And again, we know a lot of cities aren't even sending all their crime stats to the FBI.
00:28:26.000So if they lie, they're probably underrepresented the problem.
00:28:29.000And so the way you handle it is like, here's some of the facts, here's some of the data, and she immediately resorts to this kind of condescension.
00:28:36.000I want to ask you, do you think that black liberalism is cracking and falling apart?
00:28:41.000Do you think that black liberalism is destined to be a a failed domestic american political endeavor absolutely and i mean uh i mean i've gotten a lot of reactions from that clip and then those clips that went viral and a lot of people are starting to see the truth is that black liberalism and radicalism and leftism in general is falling apart.
00:29:03.000And the way that she conducted herself showed exactly what black liberalism or radicalism is.
00:29:08.000It's emotionality, not responding to facts, not responding to arguments, being condescending and not knowing how to have a conversation with people in general.
00:29:16.000And so I definitely believe it's falling apart in this country.
00:29:18.000I believe it's only going to become more and more unpopular.
00:29:20.000And let's be honest, the Democratic Party is not doing well.
00:29:22.000It has become more and more unpopular.
00:29:24.000Their ratings have been the lowest we've ever seen them.
00:29:30.000What are the names you are called by either white liberals or others or other fellow black liberals that you might know for having these sort of opinions.
00:29:37.000Are you treated well for being a conservative young black man?
00:29:40.000Definitely not by the majority of black people in this country.
00:29:43.000So the typical slurs would be like, I'm not going to say the actual slur, but raccoon.
00:29:49.000And then people will use terms like Uncle Rockefeller and things like that to try to undermine me and say that I'm only trying to appease white people when I'm not.
00:29:58.000I'm just trying to speak the truth and try to get the block communities to focus on the right issues.
00:30:02.000But yeah, of course, that's what they'll call me.
00:30:25.000So originally when the when the conflict started between Israel and Palestine, I didn't really know too much and then I started doing research about it and I was like, what's going on here with this whole Israel Palestine conflict?
00:30:40.000They're the safest place for Christians and Conservatives in the Middle East in terms of those that represent our values and not, you know, Islamic fundamental values.
00:30:49.000And I was like, well, I support Israel.
00:30:51.000There's no reason why I shouldn't support their war against jihadists, their self defense and their self determination.
00:30:57.000And so that's kind of how I aligned myself that way.
00:30:59.000And I did a significant amount of research on the Israel-Palestine conflict.
00:31:04.000And I, you know, started talking about it on, you know, TikTok, doing TikTok live debates.
00:31:09.000And that's kind of how I got, I got a little bit of notoriety.
00:31:12.000And what's interesting about that actually is the fact that I originally was supposed to go on Jubilee for a Israel debate.
00:31:25.000Let's just send you off with a triumph here.
00:31:28.000And she literally says, are you acting right now?
00:31:30.000You see, this is why the liberal black mind, not all blacks are this way but the liberal black mind she appeals to emotionalism and she can't comprehend the idea that a young black man might believe this she thinks it's synthetic play cut 486 No one here is in.
00:31:56.000I think the only racism we've actually seen recently, systemic racism that we've seen is the application of systemic racism against white people.
00:32:02.000The University of Western Washington, for example, has been trying to segregate dormitories using black only dormitories because black.
00:32:09.000people feel safer amongst each other, but they're more likely to kill each other than white people are ever to kill them.
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00:34:07.000You see, Dr. Dobson, he stood for the family and for biblical Christian values while there was the big push for gay marriage, the big push for premarital sex, the big push for all the sexual anarchy that has really infected our nation.
00:34:22.000Dr. Dobson stood by President Trump when other people questioned Donald Trump's Christian and biblical beliefs.
00:36:50.000You know, I have Christian people, conservative people, who come up to me and say, what, what's he like?
00:36:56.000The truth matter is, is that he's much more of a gentleman than anybody knows he is.
00:37:03.000And he has kept every promise he made to the faith community.
00:37:09.000I really do love and appreciate that man.
00:37:12.000If that makes some people unhappy, I'm speaking for myself, not for my organization, but I'm extremely pleased and I wish people to get off his back.
00:37:24.000Dr. Dobson ran the race well, as it says in 1 Timothy.