The Charlie Kirk Show - What Really Is An American? ft. Prof. Victor Davis Hanson

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here live from the Bitcoin.com studio.

00:00:04.000 We have a great episode.

00:00:05.000 Remember Dr. Dobson who passed away.

00:00:07.000 A very impressive young black man by name of Matt Nuclear joins the show.

00:00:12.000 And most importantly, we kick off with Victor Davis Hansen.

00:00:16.000 Really insightful conversation.

00:00:18.000 The author of the new book, End of Everything.

00:00:20.000 We ask, what is the state of the Democratic Party?

00:00:22.000 Mom Donnie.

00:00:23.000 And of course, what is an American?

00:00:25.000 Victor Davis Hansen, legend.

00:00:27.000 Professor, author, joins us.

00:00:29.000 You'll love it.

00:00:29.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com and subscribe to our podcast.

00:00:33.000 That is the Charlie Kirk Show podcast page and get involved with Turning Point USA Today at TPUSA.com that is tpusa.com buckle up everybody here we go Charlie what you've done is incredible here maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk Charlie Kirk's running the White House folks I want to thank Charlie he's an incredible guy his spirit his love of this country he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created Turning Point USA We

00:01:04.000 will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries destroyed lives and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country that's why we are here joining us now is one of my favorite people.

00:01:18.000 And when he speaks, I listen.

00:01:20.000 I've also taken his Hillsdale online course.

00:01:23.000 It's incredible.

00:01:23.000 It's Victor Davis Hansen, author of the forthcoming book, updated paperback edition of The End of Everything, How Wars Descend into Annihilation.

00:01:33.000 And boy, is that a great way to describe what's happening between Russia and Ukraine?

00:01:37.000 Victor Davis Hansen is also a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution.

00:01:41.000 Great to see you, Mr. Hansen.

00:01:42.000 Thank you for taking the time.

00:01:44.000 I want to just allow you the opportunity to go deeper into something you said recently.

00:01:48.000 You said, quote, it's over.

00:01:49.000 I don't think there is a Democrat Party right now.

00:01:53.000 What did you mean by that?

00:01:54.000 And please take some time to explain.

00:01:56.000 Well, you can ascertain that by a lot of factors.

00:02:02.000 We've never really seen the Republican Party register more voters in a year or any definite period that was defined in the Democratic Party.

00:02:12.000 And we're seeing, in addition to that, massive defections from the Democratic Party to the independent affiliations.

00:02:20.000 and then we see this astounding statistic that while the white working the white vote in 16 20 and 24 stayed pretty constant the reason that Donald Trump won the popular vote the third time around was a 55% of Hispanics and maybe anywhere from 23% to 25% Hispanic males and then 20% to 25% of black males.

00:02:48.000 So the data shows that something's going wrong and then you look at the popularity indexes and there's about 35%.

00:02:55.000 popularity for the Democratic Party.

00:02:57.000 That doesn't mean that they can't win a binary election if they run, you know, just demonize Trump and say that, you know, we're we're we don't represent anything.

00:03:08.000 We just represent non-Trump.

00:03:09.000 And it's ob always harder to have a counter-revolution restoration in a year than it's easier to destroy things in four years like I think the Biden period did.

00:03:22.000 But the question I think you're asking is what happened to them?

00:03:26.000 Why?

00:03:26.000 And I think there was a lot of factors.

00:03:28.000 One is we have 50 million people who were not born in the United States.

00:03:33.000 And so when you look at a lot of the signature.

00:03:36.000 candidates or politicos in the Democratic Party, whether it's the squad, Ilian Omar, or Mandami, the second, first and second generation were not they were not receptive to the idea of civic education or we didn't offer it to them so assimilation integration may have taken place on a personal level but it surely didn't in an americanization and so we brought a lot of people into the country and yet

00:04:06.000 when they set foot here most of them were from the former third world their attitude was the left offers me all sorts of benefits free this scholarships student loans DEI preference affirmative action and the right is more entrepreneurial so you see a breakdown of immigrants who are entrepreneurial electricians, 0.73

00:04:29.000 plumbers or voting Republican, but the elite that has had a very powerful effect on the Democratic Party, the elite first and second generation immigrants, especially on matters of Israel or DEI.

00:04:45.000 The second thing very quickly is the universities are not liberal biased anymore, they're socialist biased, and they have trained the elite of the Democratic Party.

00:04:54.000 Third, globalization favored a bicoastal elite that had global skills, media law, high-tech, corporate boardroom, and disadvantaged people in the interior that were natural resource extraction, farming, mining, timber, assembly, things like that, muscular labor.

00:05:15.000 And there was a vocabulary that, you know, as we've talked about, irredeemables, deplorables.

00:05:23.000 clingers, drags, chumps.

00:05:25.000 I think Biden's latest was garbage.

00:05:28.000 And that kind of became a credo of the Democratic Party.

00:05:32.000 We're the professional classes and we're smarter because we got really wealthy out of globalization and now we can concentrate on utopian agendas like transgenderism or New Green Deal. 0.64

00:05:44.000 But they lost touch, in other words, with the old lunch bucket middle class of the Democratic Party. 0.92

00:05:50.000 So if you look at 92 and 96 Clinton convention agendas, they were paranoid about drifting too far, at least rhetorically from the middle class.

00:06:01.000 They were for closed borders.

00:06:03.000 They were for unions.

00:06:04.000 They were for tough policing, et cetera.

00:06:07.000 They were for trying juveniles as adults in some cases.

00:06:11.000 So that was it.

00:06:13.000 And then finally, Charlie, if you look at the fertility rates of red and the top red state, the top 10 fertile states going up to 2.1 to 1.8 are all red and the bottom from 1.5 all the way to 1.3 are all blue and you've got about a 4 million person exodus in addition.

00:06:35.000 So there's a sense in the Democratic Party that they're paranoid or that their model of a blue state professional, especially women who may have one or no children, and they want to concentrate, as AOC said, on things like global warming rather than child raising and traditional families.

00:06:53.000 That has an influence as well.

00:06:55.000 And you can see that with the demonstrations, the type of person who goes to those anti-ice radical demonstrations tend to be single women or professional women, especially they're overrepresented.

00:07:08.000 All of those add it all up.

00:07:10.000 And I think it's a different Democratic party and it'll have to have a McGovern-like disaster before it wakes up.

00:07:20.000 So let's zero in on that.

00:07:22.000 Mr. Hansen.

00:07:23.000 And again, the book is The End of Everything.

00:07:25.000 It's incredible.

00:07:26.000 How are you thinking about Mom Dani?

00:07:28.000 Mom Dani wrote a not bad kind of some of the news today.

00:07:31.000 The elements of my platform are all about affordability.

00:07:33.000 I'm a Democratic socialist.

00:07:34.000 When New Yorkers ask me what it means, I take the words of Martin Luther King, who says, call it democracy, call it democratic socialism.

00:07:39.000 There must be a better distribution of wealth for all God's children in this country.

00:07:43.000 How are you thinking about Mom Dani?

00:07:44.000 He's likely to be the next mayor of our largest city.

00:07:47.000 And so while you're contesting that the Democrat Party doesn't really exist, they're about, the very insurgent wing is about to conquer America's largest city.

00:07:57.000 How are you thinking about it?

00:07:58.000 And what is the major takeaway here, Victor Davis Hansen?

00:08:01.000 Yeah, well, I think he's going to win.

00:08:03.000 But he's going to win on about the basis of somewhere between 11 and 15 percent of the resident population.

00:08:11.000 Voting for mayor is not like for president.

00:08:13.000 So you're not going to get a big turnout.

00:08:15.000 And they're going to split the vote three ways and the vote between Curtis Silwa and Eric Adams and Cuomo together is going to probably be about 50 percent.

00:08:29.000 So I don't know if that's accurate.

00:08:31.000 The other thing is that New York is a little different.

00:08:35.000 About 30 or 40 percent of the population is on rent control and probably over a million people are either working for city or state government in New York or they're working for kind of affiliated NGOs that have government contracts.

00:08:53.000 So it's not representative of the United States as a whole.

00:08:58.000 But you make a good point when you would say, well, Victor, wait a minute, they elected Giuliani and they elected Bloomberg, and these people were moderates or conservatives in some sense, so why did they change to this?

00:09:11.000 And I think it's this idea that this professional class that I talked about, especially single metrosexuals, urban people, they're highly educated, and they feel that for a variety of reasons, they are not getting the type of deference or advantages that they feel that their superior morality and intellectual ability and education and degrees warrant.

00:09:40.000 So it's basically an appeal to the upper white professional class and the subsidized poor.

00:09:51.000 But I don't think it's representative of America in general.

00:09:55.000 But it surely is.

00:09:56.000 And so I go ahead.

00:09:59.000 I love that.

00:10:00.000 So then I want to extrapolate how we might, this is my thesis, and I believe you agree, we might see more Mamdanis if we do not create a culture of ownership and how small how private property ownership, owning land is the greatest deterrent from Mamdanis. 0.97

00:10:16.000 from Mom Daniism and Marxism.

00:10:19.000 If that were to spread, it would only spread because we have a nation of renters and not owners.

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00:11:28.000 Can you pick up on what I was saying, author of End of Everything?

00:11:32.000 everything on we need a society of owners not just renters which I believe is one of the reasons why if Momdaniism were to become a spreading virus it would be because of that. 0.97

00:11:43.000 Victor Davis Hansen, please.

00:11:45.000 Yeah, I wrote a book about that called The Other Greeks that the origins of Western culture occurred around 700 BC when all of a sudden there were radical changes in land ownership.

00:11:57.000 population increases and a rise of a small but predominant agrarian class, ten acre farmers.

00:12:04.000 Same thing when this country was founded, 90% of people were agrarian.

00:12:09.000 And that was the idea.

00:12:11.000 that Jefferson said, when people are piled up in the cities and they don't own property, then it's not going to work because it depends on an autonomous, self reliant person to take on the responsibilities of consensual government.

00:12:26.000 So I agree with that.

00:12:28.000 And the problem is, Charlie, is that you look at home ownership and across administrations in decades, it's still stagnated around 62 percent, 60 percent.

00:12:40.000 It's about the same percentage as the labor participation rate.

00:12:45.000 And I don't know, part of it is the rise of the welfare socialist state.

00:12:48.000 for social estate that creates laxity and dependency.

00:12:51.000 But the other problem is the interest rates have been too high and the regulations have been too steep.

00:13:00.000 So here in California, you know, the average small, I don't know, 1,800 square foot home is a million dollars.

00:13:08.000 And the interest rates are seven percent.

00:13:10.000 So to the degree people are buying houses or have houses, they're inheriting either the house, second home or their house from their parents, or they're inheriting the capital or being lent the capital from their parents who were from a different generation and it was much easier to buy.

00:13:27.000 So you're right, the Republicans have to address that.

00:13:31.000 And it's it's taken the Republicans very quickly a little while to adjust that they're a populist nationalist middle class party.

00:13:38.000 Because if you listen to what Mitt Romney was saying or John McCain or the Bushes, it was always, let's lower the capital gains rate or let's privatize social security or let's deregulate.

00:13:48.000 There was some logic to it, but it ignored the idea that the middle class is the largest group in America and you can win elections if you have free market solutions to the inability to buy homes.

00:14:05.000 So about one minute remaining here, just really quick.

00:14:07.000 I had a conversation recently with a hedge fund type, he said, but Charlie, owning is a failed and is an old concept.

00:14:13.000 He said failed an older concept.

00:14:14.000 It's very inefficient.

00:14:16.000 Renting is much better and you can maximize your returns.

00:14:20.000 What would that mean for us politically as a country, as a palace?

00:14:24.000 Forget the economics of it, but if you just become a society of renters.

00:14:30.000 What does that do to a people?

00:14:31.000 But why Victor Davis Hansen?

00:14:33.000 It makes people dependent on a landlord so they don't know when they're going to be there.

00:14:37.000 And if the window breaks, they don't feel like they're going to fix it.

00:14:40.000 They're not going to paint the interior.

00:14:42.000 It doesn't require any self-discipline or reliance or independence.

00:14:47.000 You own your home, nobody can take it away from you.

00:14:50.000 And you can say, I'm going to fix it up, improve it, and I'm going to pass it on to my children.

00:14:56.000 And then that creates a larger idea that you fix things and you take care of them and you're a custodian.

00:15:01.000 But when you're a renter mentality, it's like, someone will take care of it, I'm not going to worry about it.

00:15:06.000 I don't really worry about taxes.

00:15:08.000 I don't worry about interest rates.

00:15:10.000 I don't worry about anything.

00:15:11.000 All I do is get mad at my landlord because he's he increases the rent, and I don't know why he does that.

00:15:17.000 That's right.

00:15:18.000 Because I don't pay taxes.

00:15:20.000 I ask people all the time, when was the last time you washed a rental car?

00:15:24.000 Not usually.

00:15:25.000 You return it pretty dirty because someone else is going to take responsibility for it.

00:15:29.000 Check out Victor Davis Hansen's book, The End of Everything.

00:15:33.000 How would you answer the question, what is an American, Victor Davis Hansen?

00:15:38.000 It's somebody who accepts the general principles of the Constitution and consensual government.

00:15:44.000 Second, it's somebody who impregnates. 0.99

00:15:54.000 I think that's very important.

00:15:56.000 And third, it's somebody because we're the only real successful multiracial democracy in history who believes their superficial appearance or their ethnic racial background religious is incidental to who they are, that it's not essential.

00:16:12.000 What's essential is they're an American that transcends race and religion and gender and sexual orientation.

00:16:19.000 But if you don't do that, then you're going to end up like these large.

00:16:23.000 democracies that are multiracial, multi-ethnic that don't work like Brazil or India where you have caste systems and racial tensions and racial essentialism.

00:16:33.000 Yeah, and that's the reason I asked the question is that you have people like Mamdani or Omar Fattah or Y Elon Omar, that do not share our values, that do not share our worldview.

00:16:45.000 And so many of our traditions are Anglo at its core.

00:16:50.000 And so I think we need to just graduate above this idea that just because you have your paperwork organized, you are an American and you need to have your full spirit bought in, your thumos bought into the nation, the allegiance.

00:17:05.000 Victor Davis Hansen.

00:17:06.000 Well, we can do that because we're the, we take in more immigrants legal and illegal until recently illegal than all the countries put together. 1.00

00:17:14.000 So we can be a lot more selective.

00:17:16.000 And I think the Trump administration is just starting to see that, that we can ask people, are you acquainted with the English language?

00:17:23.000 Are you acquainted with the constitution?

00:17:24.000 Do you want to be an American?

00:17:26.000 But because of the nature of immigration, it's bizarre, Charlie, because it's mostly coming from Asia, Africa, and Latin America.

00:17:34.000 So when a person sets one inch across the border, the left greets them and saying, you're a victim.

00:17:40.000 You don't know it yet, but you're not an Anglo-Saxon or white or whatever they tell them.

00:17:45.000 And you have grievances that are legitimate against this major culture.

00:17:48.000 And we're here to give you a subsidized loan.

00:17:51.000 We're here to give you affirmative action.

00:17:53.000 We're going to be here.

00:17:54.000 You'll go to a separate graduation, a separate dorm when we get you into and that's all and you're going to be angry at this country and it's going to be very lucrative for you.

00:18:03.000 It's going to be very advantageous versus the melting pot integration and assimilation. 0.94

00:18:08.000 In closing here, I want to have an opportunity for you to talk about your book, The End of Everything.

00:18:12.000 And I'd love to hear your take on the Peloponnesian War and what did that do to Athenian democracy.

00:18:18.000 So tell us about your book and tell us about the Peloponnesian War and its impact on Athenian democracy.

00:18:24.000 Well, I looked at four societies in history, ancient Thebes.

00:18:29.000 the Aztecs, Carthage, and Constantinople.

00:18:32.000 And why were they destroyed?

00:18:34.000 Most wars do not lead to utter destruction.

00:18:37.000 The culture, the language, everything vanishes.

00:18:40.000 And it's because they're not, they have an unrealistic view that of their robustness, they're in decline, they don't recognize it.

00:18:47.000 They don't recognize that people really do want to destroy them, and they don't realize they have the ability to destroy them.

00:18:53.000 So this happens in history, and it's relevant to the present because we keep dismissing bio, nerve gas, AI, atomic weapons, but it doesn't mean we've gone to the end of history.

00:19:08.000 This can happen again if we're naive.

00:19:10.000 And so that was one of the reasons I wrote it.

00:19:11.000 In the epilogue, I listed all of the existential threats made by North Korea, China, Turkey, Russia to destroy not just the army of the enemy, but to wipe out an entire civilization. 0.88

00:19:24.000 So it's not unusual that it can't, I mean, it's going to happen again somewhere.

00:19:30.000 And I was just trying to give the reader a description of how it happened in the past and could that happen in the future.

00:19:37.000 And I think it could, especially as we see in Ukraine.

00:19:41.000 When Donald Trump said to Zelensky, you're on the bridge of nuclear war, what he was saying is, fair or not, when you attack Russia and you have no nuclear weapons and they have nuclear weapons and you're and they may be humiliated, be careful what happens.

00:19:56.000 He didn't mean to say that you shouldn't do it.

00:19:58.000 He was just trying to apprise them that we've never done this in the Cold War.

00:20:02.000 And the Cold War, the proxy war did not involve the two rivals on the doorstep of one threatening.

00:20:11.000 And when Cuba was armed by the Soviet Union pointing missiles at us, we said, no, we're not going to do that.

00:20:16.000 You broke the rules.

00:20:17.000 So we got to be careful.

00:20:19.000 I mean, we all resent what Russia do, and I oppose it. 1.00

00:20:22.000 I support Ukraine, but we are the West is having a proxy to hurt Russia rather.

00:20:28.000 And that's what was unique about Trump when he said he's the only person talking about a million to a million and a half wounded, dead, missing.

00:20:35.000 No one else talks about it.

00:20:36.000 He does.

00:20:37.000 As a humanitarian in Stalingrad.

00:20:40.000 He has, he has more of a moral compass than almost any president, I think, in the last hundred years.

00:20:47.000 He cares about people that are not even his own, and he's willing to try to solve wars that have an immediate impact on the United States.

00:20:52.000 Victor Davis Hansen, thank you so much for the time.

00:20:54.000 The end of everything.

00:20:55.000 Thank you.

00:20:55.000 How Wars Descend into Annihilation.

00:20:57.000 Thank you.

00:20:58.000 God bless you.

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00:21:41.000 So I was the first one to do this sort of thing where you sit in a ring and it's a show called Jubilee.

00:21:47.000 This was a year ago.

00:21:48.000 Can you believe it, Andrew?

00:21:49.000 A year ago in Jubilee, it was the shot heard around the world, seen hundreds of millions of times.

00:21:53.000 I think it was probably over a billion views if you count all the clips.

00:21:56.000 It was the marker right into our campus tour.

00:21:58.000 And now it's kind of become a rite of passage where a lot, almost everywhere on the right and on the left, they go through this Jubilee thing and it's internet shock debating.

00:22:05.000 I saw this clip of a young man take on this very nasty, condescending.

00:22:11.000 liberal woman by the name of Amanda Seals. 0.99

00:22:13.000 And it was a black conservative.

00:22:15.000 It was, I think it was like 20 black conservatives and a singular black liberal.

00:22:18.000 I think that was the premise.

00:22:20.000 And boy, it was just beautiful to witness.

00:22:22.000 And the young man did a great job of deconstructing her arguments, of not taking the bait of rejecting the premise and it takes a lot of talent and skill and bringing the facts.

00:22:31.000 It is Matt Nuclear who debated on Jubilee.

00:22:34.000 You can find him on exit, Matt Nuclear 60466.

00:22:38.000 We had to get him a better handle, but we'll work on that.

00:22:40.000 Matt Nuclear, welcome to the program.

00:22:42.000 Matt, thank you for the time.

00:22:43.000 And Matt, congratulations.

00:22:45.000 That was a big moment for you.

00:22:46.000 Introduce yourself to the audience.

00:22:48.000 Great to meet you.

00:22:48.000 Great to meet you as well, Charlie Kirk.

00:22:50.000 I'm very honored to be here.

00:22:52.000 So I've been debating since I was fifteen years old.

00:22:54.000 I started debating on smaller platforms until recently when I've been doing TikTok live debates talking about the Israel Palestine conflict, talking about domestic policy and Trump and Harris and all those sorts of different things.

00:23:07.000 And I was invited on Jubilee to debate a liberal, although she turned out to be a radical.

00:23:12.000 That's what she called herself later on.

00:23:14.000 And yeah, she was very nasty. 1.00

00:23:15.000 She was very condescending.

00:23:17.000 But I really did enjoy the debate and this is what I like to do.

00:23:20.000 Debate people, read and learn facts.

00:23:22.000 And I'm eighteen years old.

00:23:24.000 Well, that's awesome.

00:23:25.000 Let's play a little bit of your master class.

00:23:28.000 Now, this is just as this is very good as someone who does this for a living.

00:23:32.000 I told my team, I said, get them on the program.

00:23:34.000 You know, it's kind of funny.

00:23:35.000 I'm kind of like a talent scout.

00:23:37.000 Because, you know, I do this profession.

00:23:38.000 I do this, you know, hundreds of hours a year.

00:23:40.000 And so I know what I know what's hard and easy.

00:23:43.000 I know what pull and it's hard to get the vocabulary right and the tone and the premise and all that, especially while you're being filmed.

00:23:48.000 Not easy.

00:23:49.000 Right.

00:23:49.000 Not to mention age eighteen, play cut 360.

00:23:53.000 You can give everyone here like a $50,000 check, especially people that are in the streets who are committing violent crimes consistently, a $50,000 check.

00:24:00.000 It's not going to fix anything.

00:24:01.000 It's not going to increase the median household income in the next ten years by ten percent to twenty percent.

00:24:05.000 There's no systemic racism that I've experienced here in America.

00:24:08.000 What system is racist?

00:24:09.000 I think the only racism that we've actually seen recently, systemic racism that we've seen is the application of systemic racism against white people.

00:24:15.000 The University of Western Washington, for example, has been trying to segregate dormitories using black only dormitories because black people feel safer amongst each other, but they're more likely to kill each other than white people ever to kill them. 0.99

00:24:27.000 That's just the truth.

00:24:28.000 You have King Von rapping about killing other black men.

00:24:31.000 Why should I think that the white man is the oppressor when black men are more likely to kill me?

00:24:35.000 Whoa.

00:24:37.000 You tell him, Matt.

00:24:39.000 Tell us more.

00:24:40.000 Yeah.

00:24:40.000 By the way, her response to that, I know you guys didn't play it was you should speak to me as if I was your mother.

00:24:46.000 You have to understand that I was very respectful towards her.

00:24:48.000 As soon as I sat down the first time because I went up twice, the first time I sat down with her, I shaken her hand.

00:24:53.000 I complimented her.

00:24:53.000 I gave her my name and I was very respectful and she and she responded in a very condescending way, telling me that I should respond to her or speak to her as if she was my mother when she's not my motherher.

00:25:03.000 She's a she's a crazy radical leftist who has no respect. 1.00

00:25:07.000 Before I play another piece of tape, how did you become a conservative?

00:25:11.000 Why are you conservative?

00:25:12.000 Because she was basically saying throughout the whole thing, I didn't watch the whole thing, I watched some of it that how dare you young black man be right wing, how did you become conservative?

00:25:22.000 Just from reading.

00:25:23.000 Like I've always been interested in politics and Donald Trump and just seeing everything, watching Ben Shapiro, Ben Carson, Thomas Sowell and looking into everyone's arguments and even you yourself as well and Turning Point USA and what you guys have done.

00:25:36.000 And I think after learning a lot, after researching, after trying to figure things out, I was like well, I more politically align with the right.

00:25:42.000 And I think that the right is justified politically.

00:25:46.000 I think what they are doing is justified.

00:25:49.000 I think the MAG movement is a great movement.

00:25:52.000 And I just found myself aligning with facts and logic.

00:25:57.000 And I feel that that most aligns with the Republican Party or the right in general.

00:26:02.000 So you were you raised conservative?

00:26:05.000 I mean, I don't want to pry too much, but I mean, was the environment liberal?

00:26:09.000 I mean, so my father is Christian.

00:26:12.000 My mother is also Christian.

00:26:13.000 I was raised in a Christian household.

00:26:15.000 My father has always been political, but he was born in Angola.

00:26:17.000 And so I don't really know, like, whether or not he's conservative.

00:26:20.000 I think you'd be considered a conservative.

00:26:22.000 Um, but my parents weren't too political.

00:26:25.000 When I was younger, my, my, like, even like six years old or five years old, my father used to make me, like, you know, write things down that would, you know, they would be on the newspaper there.

00:26:33.000 Um, and so that's really it.

00:26:34.000 But no one really, you know, got me into politics.

00:26:37.000 I kind of just went along and figured, well, I find this interesting.

00:26:40.000 Um, and I like debating and I just got into it.

00:26:43.000 I think that I think there's that's awesome.

00:26:45.000 Let's play another piece of tape here.

00:26:46.000 This is you with this woman.

00:26:48.000 Let's play cut 361.

00:26:49.000 For example, we had the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882.

00:26:52.000 We prevented Chinese people from getting citizenship and even entering the country. 1.00

00:26:55.000 We discriminated against them and basically put them under apartheid even here in the United States.

00:27:00.000 Yet they have the highest median household income.

00:27:02.000 How is that possible?

00:27:03.000 How come they don't complain and feel entitled consistently to beg for reparations and beg for this when they are killing each other ninety percent of the time, which is the rate that black people kill each other according to the FBI. 0.98

00:27:13.000 Oh, young Matt.

00:27:14.000 Yet white people are the oppressors.

00:27:16.000 I'm not sure where your education came from, but they lied to you.

00:27:19.000 Stats don't lie though.

00:27:20.000 Statistics lie all the time.

00:27:22.000 If you're going to start your argument on stats don't lie, you've already lost the argument.

00:27:26.000 They lie.

00:27:27.000 They lie all the time.

00:27:29.000 So let me tell you what's going on here, everybody.

00:27:31.000 This is why this is a master class.

00:27:32.000 That's why Matt did so well.

00:27:33.000 Do you notice she did not mention or even refute a single thing he said?

00:27:39.000 She immediately argues from authority.

00:27:42.000 She immediately goes from a place of condescension. 0.96

00:27:45.000 Well, I don't know where you got your education.

00:27:47.000 Well, tell us why the data is wrong.

00:27:49.000 Was it a bad study?

00:27:50.000 Is it flimsy?

00:27:51.000 Is it not consistent with other data that you might be able to present?

00:27:55.000 Are you not aware of it?

00:27:56.000 Like there's a there's a million different ways that you could good faith respond to that.

00:28:00.000 The worst way is, well, I don't know where you got your education from and statistics lie all the time.

00:28:06.000 She is correct.

00:28:07.000 Statistics lie, but however, tell us why.

00:28:10.000 So tell us, okay, young man, that study is wrong because actually we have an overwhelming amount of data to show.

00:28:16.000 the show, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

00:28:17.000 And we know this because it's peer reviewed and it's from multiple areas and it's from different cities.

00:28:22.000 And again, we know a lot of cities aren't even sending all their crime stats to the FBI.

00:28:26.000 So if they lie, they're probably underrepresented the problem.

00:28:29.000 And so the way you handle it is like, here's some of the facts, here's some of the data, and she immediately resorts to this kind of condescension.

00:28:36.000 I want to ask you, do you think that black liberalism is cracking and falling apart?

00:28:41.000 Do you think that black liberalism is destined to be a a failed domestic american political endeavor absolutely and i mean uh i mean i've gotten a lot of reactions from that clip and then those clips that went viral and a lot of people are starting to see the truth is that black liberalism and radicalism and leftism in general is falling apart.

00:29:01.000 It's going away.

00:29:02.000 Okay.

00:29:03.000 And the way that she conducted herself showed exactly what black liberalism or radicalism is. 0.94

00:29:08.000 It's emotionality, not responding to facts, not responding to arguments, being condescending and not knowing how to have a conversation with people in general.

00:29:16.000 And so I definitely believe it's falling apart in this country.

00:29:18.000 I believe it's only going to become more and more unpopular.

00:29:20.000 And let's be honest, the Democratic Party is not doing well.

00:29:22.000 It has become more and more unpopular.

00:29:24.000 Their ratings have been the lowest we've ever seen them.

00:29:27.000 Right.

00:29:27.000 And so absolutely it is.

00:29:30.000 What are the names you are called by either white liberals or others or other fellow black liberals that you might know for having these sort of opinions.

00:29:37.000 Are you treated well for being a conservative young black man?

00:29:40.000 Definitely not by the majority of black people in this country.

00:29:43.000 So the typical slurs would be like, I'm not going to say the actual slur, but raccoon.

00:29:49.000 And then people will use terms like Uncle Rockefeller and things like that to try to undermine me and say that I'm only trying to appease white people when I'm not.

00:29:58.000 I'm just trying to speak the truth and try to get the block communities to focus on the right issues. 0.99

00:30:02.000 But yeah, of course, that's what they'll call me.

00:30:07.000 You're young.

00:30:08.000 It's the same age I started Turning Point USA.

00:30:10.000 point USA and you are in the pursuit of truth.

00:30:13.000 You also have some, I believe, heterodox takes on the Israel issue.

00:30:18.000 I guess.

00:30:18.000 We would love to hear that.

00:30:20.000 What are your views?

00:30:21.000 Why do you talk about it so much?

00:30:23.000 Please.

00:30:24.000 Yes.

00:30:25.000 So originally when the when the conflict started between Israel and Palestine, I didn't really know too much and then I started doing research about it and I was like, what's going on here with this whole Israel Palestine conflict?

00:30:33.000 Why are we involved?

00:30:34.000 And I figured that, well, Israel is a great outpost of democracy in the Middle East.

00:30:38.000 They best resemble our values.

00:30:40.000 They're the safest place for Christians and Conservatives in the Middle East in terms of those that represent our values and not, you know, Islamic fundamental values.

00:30:49.000 And I was like, well, I support Israel.

00:30:51.000 There's no reason why I shouldn't support their war against jihadists, their self defense and their self determination.

00:30:57.000 And so that's kind of how I aligned myself that way.

00:30:59.000 And I did a significant amount of research on the Israel-Palestine conflict.

00:31:04.000 And I, you know, started talking about it on, you know, TikTok, doing TikTok live debates.

00:31:09.000 And that's kind of how I got, I got a little bit of notoriety.

00:31:12.000 And what's interesting about that actually is the fact that I originally was supposed to go on Jubilee for a Israel debate.

00:31:18.000 But that got canceled.

00:31:18.000 But they invited me back for another one where I was going to be debating radical leftists.

00:31:21.000 And that's how we got this.

00:31:23.000 Last, last one.

00:31:24.000 Let's play cut 486.

00:31:25.000 Let's just send you off with a triumph here.

00:31:28.000 And she literally says, are you acting right now?

00:31:30.000 You see, this is why the liberal black mind, not all blacks are this way but the liberal black mind she appeals to emotionalism and she can't comprehend the idea that a young black man might believe this she thinks it's synthetic play cut 486 No one here is in. 0.81

00:31:49.000 Are you acting from now?

00:31:50.000 Do you really believe in it?

00:31:51.000 I'm telling you the truth.

00:31:52.000 There's no systemic racism that I've experienced here in America.

00:31:55.000 What system is racist?

00:31:56.000 I think the only racism we've actually seen recently, systemic racism that we've seen is the application of systemic racism against white people.

00:32:02.000 The University of Western Washington, for example, has been trying to segregate dormitories using black only dormitories because black.

00:32:09.000 people feel safer amongst each other, but they're more likely to kill each other than white people are ever to kill them. 0.91

00:32:14.000 That's just the truth.

00:32:15.000 You have King Von rapping about killing other black men.

00:32:18.000 Why should I think that the white man is the oppressor when black men are more likely to kill me?

00:32:22.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

00:32:23.000 Oh, God, this is scary.

00:32:24.000 You need to think about me as your mama.

00:32:26.000 Do not talk to me in that fashion.

00:32:28.000 So let's check that now.

00:32:30.000 See, it's immediate appeal to authority.

00:32:32.000 I'm a black woman and you have to appeal, like, no, that doesn't work anymore, okay? 0.98

00:32:38.000 You were able to talk facts and she made a fool of herself, typical emotionalism. 1.00

00:32:43.000 Matt Nuclear, if you were a stock, I would buy it.

00:32:46.000 Stay humble, keep researching.

00:32:48.000 Hope to meet you soon.

00:32:49.000 Thank you so much.

00:32:49.000 Thank you so much, Charlie Kirk.

00:32:51.000 It's an honor to meet you as well and speak to you.

00:32:53.000 Thank you.

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00:33:49.000 Unfortunately, last night or early this morning, we lost a legend.

00:33:53.000 And that is Dr. Dobson.

00:33:55.000 I grew up listening to Dr. Dobson on Focus on the Family Radio.

00:33:59.000 Loyally married through his entire career.

00:34:02.000 Dr. Dobson was a culture warrior.

00:34:04.000 He did it with great joy and whimsy.

00:34:07.000 You see, Dr. Dobson, he stood for the family and for biblical Christian values while there was the big push for gay marriage, the big push for premarital sex, the big push for all the sexual anarchy that has really infected our nation. 0.93

00:34:22.000 Dr. Dobson stood by President Trump when other people questioned Donald Trump's Christian and biblical beliefs.

00:34:31.000 Dr. Dobson, he finished well.

00:34:34.000 So many guys I'm watching, like Rick Warren and others, like, oh, it's so hard to watch.

00:34:39.000 They had such, you know, they had a promisising career and then they just be going to woke toopia.

00:34:43.000 Let's just remember Dr. Dobson from Focus on the Family of some of his great teachings throughout his career.

00:34:49.000 Play cut 481, please.

00:34:51.000 You don't need the anger.

00:34:54.000 You do not need anger to control children.

00:34:56.000 That teacher who said I have to stay mad all the time to control my class, you see, was using anger to control.

00:35:03.000 It doesn't work.

00:35:05.000 Action is what controls.

00:35:09.000 Now that's a little snippet.

00:35:10.000 I wish we had more time, but he didn't just advocate for these things.

00:35:14.000 He had real technical advice on how to be better parents.

00:35:20.000 He would run infomercials on how to biblically parent your kids.

00:35:25.000 He would famously say, you spell love to a kid T-I-M-E, time.

00:35:32.000 It's an attitude.

00:35:33.000 I'll never forget I got a chance to spend a good amount of time with Dr. Dobson at his retreat.

00:35:37.000 And I saw him last at his retreat back in Colorado, Colorado Springs.

00:35:40.000 In the midst of the election, I made time to go see him.

00:35:42.000 I'm so glad I did.

00:35:43.000 And the first thing and the last thing he always says to me.

00:35:46.000 says, I know, Charlie, I know you're changing the world and you're doing God's work, but those kids of yours, they need you.

00:35:54.000 And don't forget that.

00:35:56.000 That daughter needs you.

00:35:57.000 That son needs you.

00:35:58.000 So you better go make time.

00:36:00.000 Kind of in a very forceful, fatherly, biblical way.

00:36:05.000 Let's play cut 483, the legend, Dr. James Dobson.

00:36:09.000 It's love to tell a person the truth.

00:36:11.000 Well, who was our model?

00:36:13.000 Christ was our model.

00:36:15.000 He was certainly not intolerant.

00:36:19.000 He was not tolerant of sin.

00:36:21.000 He called it by its name.

00:36:22.000 And he's the one that said, it's the truth.

00:36:25.000 You shall know the truth and the truth will set you free.

00:36:28.000 If you do, you have to take the heat that comes with it.

00:36:32.000 You know, I mentioned the universities.

00:36:37.000 There's going to be tremendous pressure even on Christian colleges.

00:36:41.000 Again, I wish we had more time to play these pieces of tape.

00:36:43.000 Finally, let's play cut 474 on Dr. Dobson having Trump's back.

00:36:49.000 Play cut 474.

00:36:50.000 You know, I have Christian people, conservative people, who come up to me and say, what, what's he like?

00:36:56.000 The truth matter is, is that he's much more of a gentleman than anybody knows he is.

00:37:03.000 And he has kept every promise he made to the faith community.

00:37:09.000 I really do love and appreciate that man.

00:37:12.000 If that makes some people unhappy, I'm speaking for myself, not for my organization, but I'm extremely pleased and I wish people to get off his back.

00:37:24.000 Dr. Dobson ran the race well, as it says in 1 Timothy.

00:37:28.000 He finished well.

00:37:30.000 And let us that be the goal for all of us as we remember David Horowitz and John MacArthur and now Dr. Dobson.

00:37:35.000 So many legends are passing away and it is a beautiful legacy.

00:37:39.000 He never wavered despite the protests, the calls for cancellation.

00:37:43.000 Dr. Dobson never wavered for something that keeps our society free, the family.

00:37:50.000 His entire effort was called focus on the family.

00:37:55.000 And boy, is that beautiful.

00:37:56.000 God bless him.

00:37:57.000 We'll miss you, Dr. Dobson.

00:37:58.000 We'll keep on fighting for the family every day.

00:38:00.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:38:01.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:38:04.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - August 22, 2025

What Really Is An American? ft. Prof. Victor Davis Hanson

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