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00:02:24.000The Fall of Minneapolis came about after I put out a book called They're Lying, The Media, the Left, and the Death of George Floyd.
00:02:32.000Did that in October of 2022, but we wanted to kind of take this a step further, knowing that not everybody reads books nowadays.
00:02:40.000And I think the book gave many people courage to come forward for the first time to share their stories on camera about this incident in Minneapolis that in so many ways changed lives all across the world.
00:02:54.000And all of these lies, I should say, peddled in Minneapolis helped to do so as well.
00:02:58.000So this is years of research on this case, thousands of documents that we've poured over over the years, working with a remarkable editor.
00:03:08.000His name is Dr. J.C. Shea, who's the director of The Fall of Minneapolis as well.
00:03:13.000And we wanted to make this available for free so as many people would see this documentary as possible and more than 8 million people I believe have at this point but really appreciate you having me on to spread the word about this.
00:03:25.000Well it's incredibly important for thefallofminneapolis.com.
00:03:35.000You know I think first and foremost we start the documentary out with the body camera footage of this incident.
00:03:42.000This is the very first time in Minneapolis police history that they've withheld body camera footage from the public, from the police union.
00:03:50.000And just to back up a bit with my story, I was working in corporate media at the CBS station, WCCO, for years when this transpired, but I was so bothered by the lies the media helped to push over all of this.
00:04:06.000And I'm married to now the former union president at the time that this happened.
00:04:13.000So clearly, I had a unique perspective into all of this.
00:04:16.000But this body camera footage kind of speaks for itself.
00:04:18.000And that's why we start out with those 20 minutes beginning with the fall of Minneapolis.
00:04:23.000You have George Floyd talking about how he can't breathe before Derek Chauvin arrives on scene.
00:04:28.000You have George Floyd complaining of his health.
00:04:32.000He's very resistant to not wanting to go back there as he discusses.
00:04:38.000You have these officers asking, what are you on?
00:05:21.000And I think you really talked about this, the fall of a once great city here in the Midwest in Minneapolis.
00:05:27.000This is the fall of Minneapolis can really be traced to this very incident.
00:05:32.000But you have, I'll talk about that a bit, you have this autopsy conducted on George Floyd within 12 hours of his death.
00:05:40.000And there's really some telling conversations that we know about now.
00:05:43.000We've done a lot of reporting on this at Elpha News, where I work now, elphanews.org.
00:05:49.000But these conversations that are taking place with Hennepin County prosecutors and Dr. Andrew Baker, the Hennepin County medical examiner, that clearly point to no asphyxiation, no strangulation of George Floyd.
00:06:01.000Toxicology tests eventually come back.
00:06:04.000There's methamphetamine, three times the lethal amount of fentanyl in George Floyd's systems.
00:06:10.000More than that, you know, he has a bad heart just recovering from COVID.
00:06:14.000He has a paraganglioma, which is a very questionable tumor that many people have wondered why more testing wasn't done on that.
00:06:22.000Medical professionals have described him a bit of a, sadly, as a bit of a ticking time bomb, but that is not what the public is allowed to hear and to see.
00:06:31.000Instead, you have these back, these behind the scenes, I'd say, meetings that are taking place with prosecutors, with Dr. Baker, and the FBI.
00:07:21.000In patients that have acromegaly, they tend to die from cardiovascular complications such as heart attack or arrhythmias.
00:07:29.000Do you feel in a way they were trying to hide this information?
00:07:33.000I'm not sure if the medical examiners were trying to hide it, but it seems like the prosecutor team was trying to hide it.
00:07:45.000What is MRT and why does it matter for this case?
00:07:48.000Something else that is clear in that body camera footage that we're not allowed to see.
00:07:54.000This is the maximal restraint technique known as MRT.
00:07:58.000You hear Thomas Lane refer to this in the body camera footage, a part of police training for years in Minneapolis.
00:08:06.000But instead of telling the full story, the full truth about what happened, you have the very next day, the mayor of Minneapolis and the chief of police at that time, Madera Arredondo, quickly say this is not something police have been trained in.
00:08:19.000This is not something we recognize, despite Thomas Lane talking about this during that interaction.
00:08:27.000But just recently, MRT was taken out of policy by the Minneapolis Police Department, and that happened just within the last year.
00:08:36.000So this has been something that has been allowed, that has been trained for years.
00:08:41.000And instead of Judge Peter Cahill allowing MRT to be a part of Derek Chauvin's trial, it was not allowed.
00:08:51.000They were not allowed to speak of MRT at trial.
00:08:56.000Instead, you have the head trainer and you have the chief of police under oath take the stand to say this is not how we train.
00:09:04.000But you'll see in the fall of Minneapolis, there are more than a dozen Minneapolis police officers who say that they in fact were trained in MRT and just basically what that lie, peddling all of that, did to the department.
00:09:20.000And this was not an inconsequential lie.
00:09:22.000This lie resulted in the death of thousands of people across the country, radical racial politics, billions of dollars of property destruction across the country, the defunding of police, direct interference into our election around this lie.
00:09:40.000And is it true that the original Hennepin County autopsy report showed that George Floyd died from causes unrelated to restraint?
00:09:53.000I will say that the original autopsy did not even have the word homicide on that document.
00:10:03.000You also have Amy Sweezy testifying to she had conversations with Dr. Baker who said the evidence is not matching up with the public narrative.
00:10:11.000This is the type of case that ends careers.
00:10:14.000So there is certainly so much fear here and so much manipulation.
00:10:18.000And these officers, we've continued to follow their stories.
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00:12:42.000And was that presented in Derek Chauvin's trial?
00:12:45.000And did the chief of police commit perjury?
00:12:47.000Yeah, as I was saying, Charlie, in the earlier segment, no, Judge Peter Cahill did not allow, did not allow MRT to be a part of Derek Chauvin's trial.
00:12:57.000What's interesting to point out, I recently had a conversation with Tu Tau, who is in a federal facility as well.
00:13:15.000So just the way that this was sort of going on behind the scenes, the manipulation and how things were allowed in one case and not allowed in the other really, I think, should raise a lot of eyebrows.
00:13:27.000But no, MRT was not allowed in Derek Chauvin's trial.
00:13:49.000And that was sort of the point of bringing this to light because there are so many things that people should be questioning, especially if you believe in this so-called justice system.
00:14:00.000And basically, Judge Peter Cahill in a ruling said that he would not allow MRT in Derek Chauvin's trial because there was no proof that Derek Chauvin last signed his name in the last time MRT was taught to the Minneapolis Police Department.
00:14:17.000So that was his deciding factor there.
00:14:35.000During the trial, several witnesses, including Chief Arredondo and Inspector Blackwell, testified that they didn't recognize the technique you and the other officers were using as if it was not a part of Minneapolis police training.
00:14:49.000But was MRT, the maximal restraint technique, part of training and policy?
00:15:22.000But again, if you are questioning the federal government's involvement in the case, I think that is also something that should raise eyebrows and cause alarm.
00:17:34.000But I really saw corporate media change before my eyes, pushing very dangerous, divisive narratives that I really just couldn't get behind because the facts were not there.
00:17:45.000It seems critical thinking in many ways has gone out the window.
00:17:48.000Our job is supposed to hold people accountable and push back.
00:18:26.000My book is called Lying for a Reason because I kept shouting that for months on end, but it seemed nobody wanted to listen.
00:18:35.000And so that's why I left and went into independent media to set the record straight, not only about this story, but to give a voice to so many others who just don't have it.
00:19:28.000I kind of ask myself that each and every day when I see certain headlines or certain stories, because it's not why I got into this business, you know, decades ago.
00:19:39.000You know, now we live in a world where people pounce on viral videos or certain sound bites.
00:19:46.000We're not looking at the full picture, so it is, I think, easier to manipulate a population when that's happening.
00:19:53.000You have a lot of, you know, people nowadays as journalists, they grow up with social media.
00:19:58.000It becomes more about how they're feeling rather than facts.
00:20:01.000So I think that's been an issue as well.
00:20:03.000I know I sound like a dinosaur here at this point talking about this, Charlie, but really, I think we're all paying the price for that.
00:20:12.000So unreported to this, I mean, we have been led to believe that Derek Chauvin is the worst person ever.
00:20:19.000And again, there could be a heated debate of whether or not he conducted himself correctly, but there's far more to this story.
00:20:28.000And because of how much his character has been assassinated, and you've demonstrated that he was just following the police procedure manual, he has been stabbed.
00:20:45.000Yeah, talking about that, we put out this documentary.
00:20:48.000It's nine days after we do that he is stabbed at a federal facility where he's been with no incidents at all by a former FBI informant, this John Terskak, who tried to murder him the day after Thanksgiving.
00:21:03.000He was in the hospital for quite some time.
00:21:05.000He's back now in the medical unit at that same facility.
00:21:09.000I know his family has been able to see him recently, but he's still struggling, had some nerve damage from that stabbing.
00:21:16.000And interestingly enough, he's left alone in the law library for the first time when this takes place.
00:21:22.000It seems as if he's working on his case, his appeal, and seems like somebody doesn't want that to be happening here, this appeal.
00:21:32.000And this is just very, very frightening.
00:21:36.000He is recovering, but he also is not allowed many things.
00:21:40.000He doesn't have access to his materials still to this day, months later, after this stabbing.
00:22:45.000And I remember how people got so caught up in this hysteria, and it became an irrefutable thing that this was like the worst issue, the worst thing that ever happened to American society.
00:22:57.000You wrote a book and then you did the film.
00:23:00.000As you, as a journalist, were looking for facts, what did you learn that shocked you?
00:23:06.000That as a journalist, you said just yourself, you just were just so like, I can't wait to get this out there.
00:23:13.000Talk about a couple things in the production of all this that really moved you as a journalist that surprised you the most.
00:23:19.000You know, I think that sort of living with a police officer during all of this, and so many of these officers in Minneapolis were forced from this career, from this job that they loved.
00:23:35.000I mean, the department went from nearly 900 the beginning of May of 2020 to less than 500 are how many Minneapolis police officers are still out there working.
00:23:48.000And I think that's what I really wanted the public to know about all of this, you know, as well.
00:23:53.000These dominoes that fell that simply did not have to, how they're served up to the mob to surrender the third precinct.
00:24:01.000That was a high-profile incident that obviously happened with the riots.
00:24:05.000They weren't peaceful protests, no matter what corporate media was telling you.
00:24:09.000It's just astounding to me what these men and women were forced to go through in the riots because of these lies.
00:24:18.000And so it's not only you have so many victims in all of this.
00:24:22.000The story goes beyond the officers in prison.
00:24:25.000Certainly there is something to be said about George Floyd and how he was acting that day, how he was arrested and acted the very same way in 2019, but also an arrest that lies were told about that, that they'd never heard of George Floyd before.
00:24:40.000They'd never had anything to do with him.
00:24:42.000Well, he's the subject of an undercover drug investigation a year earlier, but the public wasn't allowed to know that as well.
00:24:50.000So again, all these men and women who've left the department, they tell their stories for the first time.
00:24:56.000We have an officer who's still on the job, and what's that like in Minneapolis nowadays?
00:25:10.000You know, the corporate media has completely ignored the documentary, of course, because it went against the narrative that they pushed from day one, despite the fact they were privy to the truth here.
00:25:22.000So let's keep on diving into this here.
00:25:26.000How has the city of Minneapolis changed since this occurred?
00:25:32.000Is Minneapolis safer since Floyd Apalooza?
00:25:36.000Yeah, I mean, there's a reason we called the documentary the fall of Minneapolis.
00:25:40.000I've yet to find someone who thinks Minneapolis is better off now.
00:25:45.000You know, I talked about the police numbers down nearly 40 percent in that time since May 25th, 2020.
00:25:53.000Not only that, I just was checking recently, there's been a thousand stolen cars in Minneapolis just within the first two months of this year.
00:26:02.000Elf News, we just released a report today, a story about a survey that was done, and this was among all Minnesota law enforcement.
00:26:10.000So, all across the state, and 80% of law enforcement in Minnesota now will not recommend this profession to their friends and family.
00:27:51.000Yeah, and is there any adjustment from the Democrats who run Minneapolis to try to increase police presence?
00:27:59.000I know there was a debate about defunding police and police levels.
00:28:04.000Where's the average run-of-the-mill Democrat in the Minneapolis City Council when it comes to crime and policing?
00:28:11.000Yeah, this is what's interesting and frankly heartbreaking as a reporter having to cover.
00:28:17.000Not only have we talked about the prosecution of officers, but there have been eight first responders killed in this region in the line of duty just within the last year.
00:28:27.000That includes three Burnsville first responders, a fire medic, and two Burnsville police officers who just recently were murdered on the site of a domestic call that they were responding to.
00:29:28.000Also, you work with Alpha News, who's just terrific, and people are sending me Alpha News stuff all the time.
00:29:34.000Just talk about the other factors of this film.
00:29:38.000I'm sure when you put together a film like this, you don't know the direction totally that it's going to take.
00:29:43.000It's been seen by millions and millions of people.
00:29:46.000Anything else in this film that you want to discuss that we haven't touched on?
00:29:49.000You know, I think that's the thing I always like to say about the documentary, Charlie, is we want people to feel free to think for themselves.
00:30:00.000This isn't, you need to think this way, but we wanted to bring them as close to this case as possible by speaking to Derek Chauvin, to his mother, to Joni King, the mother of Alex King, and him as well.
00:30:13.000And how would this perhaps have changed your perception of all of this if you would have known this early on?
00:30:19.000And there's really no reason for this to have been kept from you for years.
00:30:25.000Because again, I've received so many emails who, people who have admitted that this really did change their mind, and they're upset that this just wasn't told to them from the start.
00:30:37.000I did want to give a quick shout out, if I can, if people are in the LA area, we'll be there with Brandon Tatum.
00:30:43.000I know a friend of yours, so that's why I'm bringing this up.
00:30:56.000And any way we can promote all of this, Liz, I mean, I'm enthusiastically behind this because, you know, we took some very firm stands against BLM while it was happening when we were called racist.
00:31:05.000And this thing from a very early perspective didn't feel right.
00:32:28.000It's a bit more of my personal story and kind of how I got wrapped up into all of this, but so much about the case and many of these officers sharing their story as well.
00:32:40.000And we'll continue to follow this on Alpha News if people want to subscribe.