The Charlie Kirk Show - What's the FISA Holdup?

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00:01:40.000 Four corrupt, politically motivated prosecutors. 0.91

00:01:44.000 One target, Donald Trump.

00:01:46.000 They say they're upholding the law, but a close examination reveals politics of the very worst kind meant to influence the 2024 election.

00:01:56.000 Investigations unprecedented in American history, part of a broader attempt to silence and penalize a president who challenged the status quo.

00:02:05.000 You have four or five different prosecutions in different form on different highly aggressive theories and applications of the law.

00:02:17.000 On the eve of an election of the president of the United States, can there be any doubt that there's a sentiment of this is get Trump.

00:02:26.000 Get Trump.

00:02:27.000 These prosecutions against President Trump, both the criminal prosecution along with the civil fraud prosecution, is blatant election interference.

00:02:38.000 It's Democrat lawfare to take out President Trump.

00:02:41.000 They fear that they can't beat Trump on November 5th, 2024.

00:02:46.000 And so they just want to throw him in prison for the rest of his life.

00:02:50.000 Revealing the depth of four politically motivated prosecutions.

00:02:54.000 Chasing Trump, political prosecutions, justice gone wrong.

00:03:00.000 Mike, tell us all about it.

00:03:01.000 Looks excellent.

00:03:02.000 Yeah, thank you for having me on, Charlie.

00:03:03.000 Chasing Trump is produced by the good people at American Greatness.

00:03:09.000 And I was pleased to volunteer my time to participate on this important documentary because it shows this is Democrat lawfare and election interference driven by Biden and his White House counsel and his Justice Department to take out Trump on many different fronts.

00:03:26.000 They have four unprecedented criminal indictments.

00:03:29.000 The first one of those starts on Monday.

00:03:32.000 Sorry, respondent Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg is bringing an unprecedented indictment against Trump.

00:03:40.000 A trial starts on Monday for the non-felony of a businessman settling a nuisance claim.

00:03:46.000 And these Democrat operatives have transformed this, what would be at best, time-barred bookkeeping misdemeanors from seven years ago.

00:03:57.000 Somehow they've turned these into felony charges against Trump, like 34 felony charges that the prior Manhattan DA Cy Vance, the Manhattan U.S. Attorney, the Federal Election Commission, and Alvin Bragg himself declined to prosecute until Matthew Colangelo got deployed from the Biden Justice Department, a senior Biden Justice Department political appointee to resurrect this zombie case against Trump that starts on Monday.

00:04:24.000 And that's just one of the four cases.

00:04:26.000 You also have Alvin, you also have Jack Smith, I'm sorry, charging President Trump down in Florida for the former president having his presidential records in the office of former president, which is allowed by the Presidential Records Act.

00:04:41.000 At the same time, they gave Biden a pass for his clear espionage from when he was the vice president and even a senator where he made $8 million on his book advance when he intentionally gave classified records to his ghostwriter.

00:04:57.000 And not a damn thing happened to Biden for clear espionage, yet they're going after Trump for presidential records he's allowed to have.

00:05:05.000 You also have two prosecutors going after Trump, Fannie Willis down in Georgia, Fulton County, Georgia, in Atlanta, and Jack Smith going after Trump for objecting to a presidential election, which is allowed by the Electoral Count Act of 1887.

00:05:20.000 These are political prosecutions.

00:05:22.000 We've been talking about this for nearly two years.

00:05:25.000 Charlie, we've been way out in front of everyone on this, and it's coming to fruition.

00:05:29.000 It's starting on Monday with this Bragg trial.

00:05:32.000 The American people are going to tune into this trial and see what a bogus trial this is.

00:05:37.000 And this is Democrat lawfare.

00:05:39.000 This is election interference.

00:05:40.000 This is going to backfire on Biden and the Democrats.

00:05:44.000 And this Chasing Trump documentary lays this out.

00:05:48.000 So, Mike, I think that it's hurting the Democrats politically, but they're moving forward at a rapid pace.

00:05:55.000 The acceleration is really disturbing. 0.99

00:05:58.000 And it is that of a desperate, dying third world regime. 1.00

00:06:03.000 So, do you think there's any chance?

00:06:05.000 I'm just going to ask you plainly and bluntly, Mike Davis.

00:06:07.000 Do you think there's any chance that Donald Trump avoids conviction at this upcoming trial?

00:06:14.000 No.

00:06:15.000 I mean, you're dealing with a biased, a George Soros-funded Manhattan DA, Matthew Colangelo being deployed from the Biden Justice Department.

00:06:24.000 This Democrat Manhattan Judge Juan Mershon donated to Biden versus Trump in 2020.

00:06:31.000 Judge Juan Mershon donated to another anti-Trump group.

00:06:35.000 His adult daughter, Lauren Michon, is a leading Democrat consultant who's consulted for Biden and Kamala Harris and many Democrats.

00:06:44.000 She has a financial stake in this criminal trial starting on Monday over which her father is presiding.

00:06:52.000 She's fundraising off of this criminal trial, these criminal proceedings.

00:06:57.000 And Judge Juan Murshon refuses to recuse in violation of New York law.

00:07:03.000 And when Trump raises this issue in a motion to recuse and raises this publicly, this Judge Juan Mershon responds by saying that Trump is somehow making violent threats against Judge Mershon and his adult daughter.

00:07:18.000 Apparently, when you raise evidence of a judge's bias, that somehow is a violent threat.

00:07:23.000 And this Judge Mershon has illegally, unconstitutionally gagged President Trump, where he cannot talk about Matthew Colangelo getting sent from the Biden Justice Department to go after Trump with this unprecedented indictment of a former president who happens to be the leading presidential candidate.

00:07:40.000 President Trump can't talk about Lauren Mershon and how she's making money off of her dad's trial of President Trump.

00:07:46.000 I mean, this is lawfare. 0.64

00:07:48.000 This is election interference.

00:07:49.000 There's a reason these Democrats waited 30 months to bring these four different indictments in four different places. 0.51

00:07:56.000 And in three of these places, New York, D.C., and Atlanta, you have these Democrat judges, these Democrat prosecutors, these Democrats, other attorneys, these Democrat witnesses, and these Democrat hellholes.

00:08:09.000 There's no chance that Trump is going to get a fair trial anywhere.

00:08:12.000 And that's the point.

00:08:13.000 This is election interference because they know they can't beat Trump on November 5th, 2024.

00:08:19.000 So they want to bankrupt him. 0.55

00:08:20.000 They want to disqualify him from the ballot, and they want him to die in prison. 0.79

00:08:25.000 Yes, they do.

00:08:25.000 And so let me ask you now, Mike, do you think there's any chance the federal cases will be heard before November?

00:08:32.000 They could.

00:08:33.000 It would be very hard because on the federal case with Jack Smith on January 6th, remember, it is not a crime to object to a presidential election.

00:08:43.000 It's allowed by the Electoral Count Act of 1887.

00:08:46.000 Democrats objected to Republican wins in 1968, 2000, 2004, 2016.

00:08:53.000 You don't see Al Gore and John Kerry and Hillary Clinton in prison.

00:08:57.000 You also have a First Amendment right to object.

00:09:00.000 And President Trump has raised the issue of presidential immunity in that case.

00:09:05.000 If you're going to charge President Trump, if Jack Smith is going to charge President Trump for contemplating firing his acting attorney general, that is clearly a presidential act.

00:09:17.000 That is clearly covered by presidential immunity.

00:09:20.000 So the Supreme Court is going to have to decide that case.

00:09:23.000 There's going to be oral arguments later this month on April 25th.

00:09:27.000 I presume the Supreme Court's going to rule on presidential immunity by the end of June.

00:09:33.000 And then I presume the Supreme Court's going to hold that the presidents are immune from criminal prosecution for their official acts, just like federal judges, just like members of Congress.

00:09:43.000 The case will get remanded to Judge Chucken, this Obama judge in D.C., and she'll have a mini trial on what is Jack Smith alleging that's within President Trump's presidential powers that are immune from prosecution versus what did Trump do in his personal capacity that are not.

00:09:59.000 If that happens, it will be very difficult for Jack Smith to try Trump for January 6th in D.C.

00:10:05.000 Now, this Mar-a-Lago case for the presidential records where Garland and Jack Smith have charged Trump with espionage while Garland gave Biden a pass for Biden's clear espionage when Trump is protected by the Presidential Records Act.

00:10:21.000 It doesn't look likely that that case will get to trial because there are so many pretrial issues.

00:10:26.000 But at least in Florida, we know with Judge Eileen Cannon that she's a fair judge. 0.82

00:10:31.000 She's going to ensure that Trump gets a fair trial in Florida.

00:10:35.000 And she's not going to be a rubber stamp for Trump.

00:10:37.000 Far from it.

00:10:38.000 She's denied many of Trump's motions, but she's going to do what any judge is supposed to do, which is to protect the criminal defendant's constitutional rights and to make sure he gets a fair trial.

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00:12:11.000 So Mike, help me understand.

00:12:13.000 The polling is showing that this is not helping Donald Trump.

00:12:17.000 I mean, not helping Democrats.

00:12:18.000 It's helping Trump.

00:12:20.000 Why are Democrats continuing on the lawfare campaign?

00:12:23.000 Why have they not pressed the brakes?

00:12:25.000 Well, if they were smart, they would, because at the Article III project, we've done over 3,000 media hits in the last nearly two years, including many times on your show.

00:12:35.000 And we've helped change the politics of this, where these Democrats thought they were going to bring these indictments and just take out Trump.

00:12:42.000 It was going to be too messy.

00:12:43.000 And Republican primary voters would just say, we can't deal with this. 0.74

00:12:47.000 Let's go with someone else.

00:12:48.000 They tried the same thing during the Kavanaugh confirmation, where I was the chief counsel for nominations on the Senate Judiciary Committee. 0.96

00:12:54.000 They thought they would just bring six bogus allegations against Kavanaugh, and it would be too messy for Republicans who are cowards and don't have a spine.

00:13:03.000 And Republicans would just throw Kavanaugh overboard. 0.90

00:13:06.000 And I think they thought the same thing here, that Republicans would just throw Trump overboard.

00:13:10.000 And it's had the opposite effect.

00:13:11.000 It's actually emboldened Republicans.

00:13:14.000 It took a while for many of these Republicans to get on board.

00:13:17.000 It was pretty lonely out there for six months or so, but they got on board, and this is backfiring badly. 0.62

00:13:23.000 We are taking, we are turning lemons into lemonade, and we are going to make sure that these Democrat prosecutors and these Democrat judges and these Democrat hillholes in New York, D.C., and Atlanta understand that the American people, not Democrat operatives, get to choose the president of the United States on November 5th, 2024.

00:13:43.000 So the other one, Mike, that we can't forget about is the confiscation of Donald Trump's business assets.

00:13:48.000 And there was all this drama about posting bond.

00:13:51.000 It is part of this lawfare campaign.

00:13:53.000 It is under appeal.

00:13:54.000 What is the status of that as they're trying to deprive Trump of his cash and his freedom?

00:13:58.000 This is truly outrageous and scary and dangerous, what New York Attorney General Tish James is doing to Trump, because this is so much bigger than Trump.

00:14:09.000 They went after Trump for the non-fraud of a businessman paying back sophisticated Wall Street banks in full on time as agreed with interest. 0.90

00:14:20.000 They rigged the case so it was front of this Democrat Manhattan judge, Arthur Ingeron, a total partisan clown.

00:14:27.000 And they came up with like this $500 billion damages award when all the banks got paid back in full.

00:14:35.000 All the banks are happy and all the banks would gladly do business with Trump going forward.

00:14:40.000 No one was defrauded, but Tish James used this to go after Trump.

00:14:44.000 They got this outrageously large damages award, unconstitutionally punitive damages award.

00:14:53.000 In order for Trump to file an appeal, to pursue an appeal on this clearly illegal, clearly unconstitutional judgment on many different fronts, they made Trump put up this bond, which was just an outrageously high bonds.

00:15:10.000 The appellate court reduced the bond, but it's still too high.

00:15:13.000 Trump was able to get the assets to come up with this bond.

00:15:17.000 And now Tish James is saying that's not good enough. 1.00

00:15:20.000 She's going to apparently try to go take his property from him. 0.84

00:15:24.000 Good luck to her, Tish James.

00:15:26.000 And again, this is so much bigger than Trump, because if they can do this to a billionaire, former and likely future president, just imagine what they can do to the rest of us.

00:15:36.000 Why would any person, why would any businessman want to invest in New York if you have these partisan Democrat prosecutors and judges who can bring third world Marxist tactics and just take away your property overnight without due process, without fair hearing, without following the Constitution?

00:15:58.000 This is unacceptable.

00:15:59.000 These Democrats have crossed the Rubicon with their lawfare and election interference.

00:16:05.000 That's right.

00:16:06.000 Mike, plug your documentary one more time, how people can find it, all the details surrounding that.

00:16:11.000 Yeah, I appreciate that.

00:16:12.000 It's coming out on Monday.

00:16:14.000 It's called Chasing Trump.

00:16:15.000 I just volunteered to appear in this thing, but it's American Greatness, the good people at American Greatness who are producing and getting out this documentary chasing Trump about this Democrat lawfare and election interference.

00:16:28.000 And it's going to be a game changer.

00:16:30.000 Mike, thank you so much.

00:16:31.000 Excellent work.

00:16:32.000 Talk to you soon.

00:16:32.000 Check it out, Chasing Trump.

00:16:33.000 Thank you.

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00:17:52.000 Joining us now is Congressman Jim Jordan.

00:17:54.000 Congressman, thank you for taking the time.

00:17:56.000 As always, help me understand, Congressman, what is going on with FISA.

00:18:00.000 I know there was like this procedural vote or a vote to get it to debate.

00:18:05.000 We believe, and I know you agree, that the FBI, they need to get a warrant.

00:18:08.000 This unlimited FISA thing is a broken system.

00:18:10.000 Walk us through it, please.

00:18:12.000 Yeah.

00:18:12.000 So look, there are two parts to FISA.

00:18:14.000 There's the one part where you got the court, and that part was certainly abused relative to spying on President Trump's campaign and all the things that we know that come up with Strzok and Page and all the stuff that we learned about a few years ago.

00:18:26.000 There's the other part of FISA, which is the 702 database.

00:18:30.000 And this is where they surveil foreigners.

00:18:32.000 They collect all this information, but inevitably pick up lots of Americans in this, what I call this giant haystack of information in that data. 0.59

00:18:39.000 And there are hundreds of thousands of searches done on that database each year on Americans using your phone number, your name, or your email address.

00:18:50.000 And what we're saying is the FBI that spied on a presidential campaign, the FBI that said if you're a parent at a school board meeting, you need to be investigating.

00:18:57.000 The FBI that said if you're a pro-life Catholic, you're an extremist.

00:19:01.000 And maybe most important, Charlie, the FBI that said we're going to retaliate against and did retaliate against whistleblowers who came and talked to our committee about those issues.

00:19:10.000 We don't think that FBI should be able to police themselves, particularly with all those abuses.

00:19:15.000 So we're saying you got to do what our Constitution and our great system has done for 200 plus years.

00:19:21.000 You got to go get a warrant.

00:19:23.000 You can't just let the executive branch do what they want.

00:19:25.000 The way it works in our country is you want to search American citizens' stuff.

00:19:29.000 You got to go to a separate and equal branch of government and get a warrant.

00:19:33.000 And that's what our amendment would require.

00:19:35.000 Frankly, it was part of the base text that came out of the Judiciary Committee 35 to 2.

00:19:41.000 It included the warrant in the text.

00:19:43.000 Now on the floor, you have a base text that doesn't include the warrant.

00:19:46.000 We're trying to add that back in.

00:19:48.000 And to me, that is the fundamental fight.

00:19:50.000 And if it doesn't get back in the bill, I ain't voting for the bill because I think we have to have this fundamental constitutional protection that has served our country so well for so long.

00:20:00.000 So help me understand because there was a split and I'm getting kind of two different versions of the story from people that I really respect, like you and other members that tried to block this yesterday.

00:20:11.000 What was the attempt to block yesterday by, you know, Eli Crane and Matt Gates, where they said they wanted to kill the renewal.

00:20:18.000 So walk me through that.

00:20:20.000 I think there was a frustration with what they saw was like the pressure and the push against the amendment I just described.

00:20:28.000 I think there was a frustration with that.

00:20:29.000 There was also another amendment that we had in the bill that came out of the committee that wasn't part of the rule package and is not being allowed to be offered to the base text as an amendment.

00:20:42.000 I think there was some concern about that.

00:20:44.000 And then frankly, I think there was some concern about the length of time for this reauthorization for a five-year time frame.

00:20:52.000 So I think those were the concerns that the people voted against the rule.

00:20:54.000 I voted for the rule because I am focused on one thing, winning this warrant requirement.

00:21:00.000 This to me is the most important thing.

00:21:02.000 It is a hallmark of our system.

00:21:04.000 And they can say whatever they want.

00:21:05.000 The people on the other side say, oh, no, no, this is a U.S. person query.

00:21:10.000 Well, I tell folks, query is a fancy name for search.

00:21:13.000 And you're not allowed under our system to just search Americans' information without first getting a warrant from a separate and equal branch of the government, the judicial branch.

00:21:23.000 So particularly, here's the other thing, Charlie.

00:21:25.000 The Inspector General reported that 278,000 times the FBI didn't follow their own rules and they illegally searched, didn't follow the procedures in place at the FBI, and they searched this database on U.S. on American citizens.

00:21:40.000 So if the FBI, they didn't follow their rules before, if you just put new regulations and requirements on them, are they really going to follow them now?

00:21:48.000 I don't think so.

00:21:49.000 That's why, again, we think you need this warrant requirement.

00:21:53.000 So can you talk about the bipartisan element here?

00:21:57.000 Because it seems as if there are some Democrats that are willing to play ball on this.

00:22:03.000 Do you anticipate that this could be some bipartisan unity to actually fix FISA?

00:22:09.000 And what are the legislative prospects?

00:22:11.000 I mean, we kind of see a strange coalition, Freedom Caucus plus squad, and then more, let's just say, moderate uniparty members in both parties.

00:22:20.000 Walk us through the dynamics here.

00:22:21.000 No, it's the dynamics are there because there's been abuses on both sides.

00:22:25.000 That 278,000 number I gave you of illegal queries that were done to the database by the FBI.

00:22:32.000 Those included people who were at the January 6th protest.

00:22:35.000 Those included people who were part of Black Lives Matter in the summer of 2020 at the protests and riots around the country there too.

00:22:42.000 So there were 19,000 donors to a congressional campaign that were illegally searched.

00:22:47.000 So that's why you have the bipartisan element, and that's why it came out of the committee.

00:22:52.000 You know, our committee charter, it's pretty partisan in the Judiciary Committee.

00:22:57.000 But this bill came out of the committee with a 35 to 2 vote.

00:23:01.000 Yeah, Jerry Nadler and Jim Jordan on the same page because we understand that the First Amendment and the Fourth Amendment and the Constitution all need to be protected.

00:23:11.000 These are fundamental liberties.

00:23:13.000 So here's the one question they won't answer too.

00:23:16.000 Because in our warrant requirement, we have an exception.

00:23:18.000 If there's an emergency situation, if there's an imminent threat to the security of our country, you can proceed with the search of the database.

00:23:27.000 But short of that, you got to go get a warrant.

00:23:30.000 We know that, again, there's a couple hundred thousand times a year that they search this database on U.S. on U.S. persons.

00:23:37.000 So I asked the question, I said, how many of those several hundred thousand searches aren't covered under the exception in our warrant requirement amendment?

00:23:47.000 And no one will give me an answer, which should scare us because if it's a big number, that should really frighten us.

00:23:54.000 And if it's a small number, what's the big deal?

00:23:56.000 If it's just a few that aren't in this emergency situation, what's the big deal?

00:24:01.000 But no one will answer that fundamental question, which again, I think raises the concern why we really need it in the first place.

00:24:08.000 I might have missed this, Congressman, in all the macro discussion I've had with members, but a question we're getting from our audience: what is the time horizon here?

00:24:17.000 Wouldn't it be smart to say, okay, we don't trust you at all.

00:24:21.000 Here's these 10 reforms.

00:24:22.000 You guys get six months and then come back again.

00:24:25.000 This 10-year horizon, it just, it is a gift to the intelligence and the administrative state.

00:24:32.000 What are we talking about as far as timing?

00:24:34.000 That right now, what's being proposed is to take it from a five-year reauthorization of the 702 program that we've been talking about to a simple two to a shorter two-year time or two-year reauthorization time period.

00:24:49.000 I think that's fine.

00:24:51.000 What I care about, but again, the warrant requirement is the most important.

00:24:54.000 Even with the two-year reauthorization, if the warrant requirement's not on it, I ain't voting for it.

00:24:59.000 I'm not going to pass that because I think that is, again, I can't stress it enough.

00:25:04.000 I know you understand it.

00:25:05.000 Your audience understands it.

00:25:07.000 You have the law enforcement, the government would love to just be able to go look through your stuff.

00:25:14.000 But that's not how we operate in this country.

00:25:16.000 And it started right from the beginning when they said you shouldn't be able to search Americans' papers and their homes.

00:25:22.000 You shouldn't be able to do that without going to a separate branch of government and showing probable cause for a warrant.

00:25:30.000 That is the protection we've always had in this country.

00:25:33.000 We think it most definitely should apply here.

00:25:36.000 And the FBI, particularly in light of their history, the context we're in now, particularly we need it now.

00:25:42.000 So, Congressman, your colleagues that are pushing for this with almost no alterations, no reforms, I got to be honest, what is their contention here?

00:25:54.000 It is remarkable to me that they say, well, you know, everything's fine.

00:25:57.000 We give the FBI exactly what they want.

00:25:59.000 What is their argument?

00:26:00.000 Yeah, you'll hear that this would slow things down.

00:26:03.000 And by slowing things down, we may not be able to stop a terrorist threat or whatever.

00:26:07.000 But I sat in the skip for three and a half hours with the intelligence committee members, with the speaker of the house and judiciary committee members, and people from the intelligence agencies.

00:26:19.000 We sat down there in the skip and they gave us the presentation.

00:26:23.000 And I'll be honest, nothing in that presentation, nothing in that discussion for three and a half hours told me that we should move away from what's always happened in this country. 0.59

00:26:32.000 You're going to look at Americans' information.

00:26:34.000 You got to get a warrant. 0.55

00:26:35.000 You got to have a probable cause reason for doing so.

00:26:38.000 So we hear that from some people.

00:26:41.000 There are some people who are in the intelligence community, even in the Trump administration, who say, no, no, you don't want to go with this warrant requirement.

00:26:48.000 And then there are others who say, yeah, you do.

00:26:50.000 So, look, I get it.

00:26:52.000 And there's this tension there.

00:26:54.000 But it seems to me when there's tension, you err on the side of enforcing the, you know, respecting the Constitution and doing what the Constitution has always done, protect Americans' liberties by getting a warrant.

00:27:06.000 Well, and then just also, I mean, our base field, I know you do too, Congressman, is that the abuse of FISA is never held accountable.

00:27:12.000 People don't go to jail.

00:27:14.000 And we don't even know the full extent of all the abuse.

00:27:17.000 I mean, regardless of people's opinion of Snowden, he did reveal that there was mass lying and abuses by the national security apparatus and national security state.

00:27:27.000 So, if you were to make a prediction, which is always a dangerous thing in politics, what do you think we end up with?

00:27:32.000 Do we end up with some serious reform, something meaningful?

00:27:36.000 I think there's some, you know, some good reform in the base tax, but not enough to get the vote without the warrant for me.

00:27:43.000 And I think for a lot of my colleagues, I do feel like every time there's been a debate on this internally and externally, our side is picking up votes, our side meaning the pro-warrant requirement being in the legislation.

00:27:57.000 So, I just want to get this debate.

00:27:59.000 I want to win this debate.

00:28:00.000 I want to win this amendment and send it to the Senate and then, you know, encourage the Senate to keep it in the bill.

00:28:06.000 I think that's the most important.

00:28:08.000 There are, you know, some of the reforms that are in there enhance the penalties for people who violate the other part of FISA, like what we had with Strzzok and Page and the Crystal Steel and Dossier and all the stuff they did to President Trump's campaign.

00:28:20.000 But again, I don't think that's enough without the warrant requirement in the 702 program, as I said now several times, to protect our fundamental liberties like we're supposed to under our Constitution.

00:28:32.000 Congressman, I want to encourage you to really hold the line on this.

00:28:35.000 Our audience is really wanting a win, and I think this one is winnable.

00:28:39.000 We have Democrats that are willing to play ball on this, and just for your colleagues that say, oh, it's going to slow down the process, it's not about the FBI, doesn't care about speed, they care about accountability, and they don't want to have to go in front of a judge to explain themselves.

00:28:52.000 Too bad.

00:28:53.000 We have a Fourth Amendment for a reason.

00:28:54.000 I know you agree.

00:28:55.000 Congressman, please keep fighting.

00:28:56.000 Thank you.

00:28:57.000 We will.

00:28:57.000 You too.

00:28:58.000 Keep it up.

00:28:58.000 Thanks.

00:28:59.000 Thank you.

00:29:02.000 I mean, look, I don't have much to say about the OJ thing. 1.00

00:29:04.000 I just, I think he was a scumbag. 0.99

00:29:06.000 I don't feel sorry for him. 1.00

00:29:08.000 He never felt sorry for any of his unrepentant lying.

00:29:11.000 He obviously killed.

00:29:13.000 Is it his wife or is his girlfriend?

00:29:15.000 I can't remember the details.

00:29:17.000 Just, I don't have a lot to add to that.

00:29:19.000 I don't.

00:29:21.000 And I mean, are people going to start writing obituaries?

00:29:24.000 By the way, OJ intentionally played into a lot of the racial narratives.

00:29:29.000 He was the best example of post-racial America before the murder.

00:29:33.000 Married a white woman, was a popular TV personality, film star, Heisman Trophy winner, beloved by almost everyone. 0.83

00:29:39.000 He commits this heinous crime.

00:29:40.000 He obviously did it.

00:29:41.000 And builds the whole narrative that he was framed by racist cops.

00:29:44.000 And then he was, you know, acquitted and it made the whole country go nuts.

00:29:48.000 And then he had this whole thing, what if I would have done it?

00:29:52.000 I never liked him.

00:29:53.000 I never liked his tone.

00:29:55.000 I never liked his approach.

00:29:56.000 Never liked his narcissism. 0.95

00:29:58.000 Anything, I mean, obviously it was a murderer.

00:30:01.000 Okay, let's get to other stories here.

00:30:02.000 Maybe I would love your thoughts.

00:30:04.000 Email me freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:30:05.000 Again, I was alive.

00:30:07.000 I was two years old during the whole thing.

00:30:08.000 I've just never been obviously a fan.

00:30:13.000 I think he was an evil person.

00:30:16.000 Okay, let's get to some tape here.

00:30:18.000 The abortion thing is like the number one story in the country.

00:30:22.000 But up there is also our Nebraska coverage.

00:30:27.000 There's a new story with the New York Times that published this morning as follows: which is Nebraska was minding its business until Charlie Kirk came along.

00:30:39.000 Now, I wanted to ask Mike Davis this, but we are running out of time.

00:30:43.000 Mike Davis was critical to the Kavanaugh and the Gorsuch hearing.

00:30:46.000 And as you might remember, in the Kavanaugh and the Gorsuch hearing, we lifted the filibuster in the Senate.

00:30:54.000 Nebraska might have to do the same so that Nebraska can get to go to winner take all.

00:31:01.000 And you could tell by the press's reaction, my favorite quote in this New York Times podcast is when the gentleman by the name of, I think his name's Estead, Goes through all the states and plays tape from here, the Charlie Kirk show.

00:31:21.000 And he says, You know, Charlie's not wrong about Omaha being a deciding electoral vote.

00:31:28.000 And it's just the power of this audience.

00:31:30.000 I just want you to know that the action items that we put in front of you are having real and tangible impact, and you need to have that posture.

00:31:39.000 It has to be an attitude of not sitting on the sidelines and just hoping that things will get better.

00:31:44.000 Making those calls, showing up to rallies, running for precinct committeemen, running for state party chair, running for state representative, being on the tip of the spear.

00:31:53.000 This show is about action, action, action, which is always what I wanted this program to be, very similar to Steve Bannon's great show on War Room.

00:32:02.000 And there's plenty of talk shows out there.

00:32:06.000 However, this is the whole ballgame.

00:32:09.000 Republican operatives circulating Tuesday at the Kirk rally seemed smitten with the idea that they might have an easier passage than securing 33 votes needed to beat a pledge Democrat filibuster.

00:32:19.000 The plan being discussed would suspend the legislature's rules that would allow a minority-led filibuster.

00:32:26.000 It would take 30 votes to suspend legislative rules.

00:32:28.000 Doing so means winner-take-all could pass the 25 votes in Pillan signature.

00:32:32.000 The best argument, the best argument is Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, Amy, Coney Barrett.

00:32:39.000 We achieved Supreme Court justices for a generation because we were willing to suspend a filibuster in the United States Senate.

00:32:47.000 Pillan has discussed calling senators back to Lincoln to pass property tax relief if they cannot coalesce around a tax package.

00:32:52.000 They won't.

00:32:52.000 So they'll definitely come in back for taxes, which is a good thing, which means that they're going to be in Lincoln in a post-session anyway.

00:33:00.000 And the governor can just use that.

00:33:02.000 He could just see when that's going to end and then call a special session as an addendum, essentially.

00:33:08.000 He told a reporter last week that he'd keep lawmakers in session until December, if needed, on taxes.

00:33:15.000 And Nebraska politics property taxes are a big deal right now.

00:33:18.000 But do you know what's amazing?

00:33:19.000 And this is the best takeaway.

00:33:21.000 I'm going to close this hour with this.

00:33:23.000 One of the local reporters in Nebraska were asking the attendees at our turning point action event.

00:33:30.000 They went up to about 50 of them and they said, Hey, would you prefer lower taxes or winner take all?

00:33:37.000 Lower taxes or winner take all?

00:33:39.000 Every single Nebraska patriot said, I prefer winner take all over lower tax.

00:33:45.000 That's patriotism right there.

00:33:47.000 Not saying that lower tax isn't important, of course it is.

00:33:50.000 But they'd say, I'd rather have a country.

00:33:52.000 We can fix taxes later.

00:33:54.000 I want a country more than more money.

00:33:57.000 It's a big deal.

00:33:58.000 That's a side that's ready to win, willing to sacrifice.

00:34:04.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:34:05.000 Everybody, email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:34:08.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

00:34:12.000 For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to CharlieKirk. com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - April 11, 2024

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