The Charlie Kirk Show - What Successful People Do, And Others Don't: Business Tips with Grant Cardone

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here, live from the Bitcoin.com studio.

00:00:04.000 Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Grant Cardone live from Vegas.

00:00:07.000 I take questions from him about entrepreneurialism, building Turning Point USA, my daily routine, honoring the Sabbath, and more.

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00:00:33.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:35.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.

00:00:37.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:00:40.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:00:43.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:00:45.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:00:46.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

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00:01:30.000 Give it up for Charlie Kirk!

00:01:40.000 That was quite an intro, I've got to tell you.

00:01:44.000 So you're going to run for governor of California, I guess.

00:01:48.000 Well, right now I'm trying to get out of this business because your audiences are getting so big.

00:01:57.000 I don't know if you guys know who Charlie Kirk is.

00:02:03.000 He's got 100 billion people on social media.

00:02:07.000 Is that right?

00:02:08.000 Okay.

00:02:10.000 450 employees.

00:02:11.000 He's organized to present at 3,000 colleges a year?

00:02:17.000 Organizationally, yes.

00:02:18.000 I can't quite make 3,000 campuses myself a year.

00:02:20.000 Okay, okay.

00:02:21.000 And it looked like you could.

00:02:24.000 This guy's making a difference, and what's crazy is he's waking people up about what's happening and what needs to happen.

00:02:31.000 So give him another big hand.

00:02:34.000 Thank you, guys.

00:02:35.000 Thank you.

00:02:36.000 Charlie.

00:02:37.000 How did all this start, man?

00:02:39.000 How did it start that you go to a campus?

00:02:41.000 Like, I don't even know the story.

00:02:43.000 The story's amazing.

00:02:44.000 By the way, Grant, thank you for having me.

00:02:45.000 And you've been doing a great job.

00:02:46.000 It's an honor to be with all you guys.

00:02:48.000 You know, I think my story can resonate with a lot of you because I get called a lot of things, as you can imagine.

00:02:54.000 The one thing I wish I would be called more, which is actually true, is an entrepreneur.

00:02:59.000 I build things.

00:03:00.000 I build organizations.

00:03:01.000 We help build movements.

00:03:02.000 We build messaging.

00:03:04.000 And we helped.

00:03:06.000 A certain person become president of the United States recently.

00:03:09.000 And he deserves all the credit.

00:03:11.000 The president deserves the credit.

00:03:13.000 But we helped, especially with younger voters in particular.

00:03:16.000 But, Grant, it started back where I grew up, suburbs of Chicago.

00:03:20.000 I wanted to go to West Point.

00:03:22.000 My whole life was about going to the United States Military Academy in West Point.

00:03:25.000 Eagle Scout, football, basketball captain, heavily involved in my community.

00:03:30.000 Ended up not getting into West Point.

00:03:32.000 I convinced my parents, hey, I'm not sure if I want to go right into college.

00:03:35.000 I'd like to take a gap year before I go to college.

00:03:38.000 And the idea I had was, hey, I want to start an organization from nothing to try to reach the next generation around first principles of liberty and freedom and that our country is a great nation and is worthy of preserving and protecting.

00:03:51.000 Well, one gap year turned into 13 gap years.

00:03:53.000 Wow, wow.

00:03:54.000 But what happened that you wanted to do that?

00:03:58.000 Understand, this was in 2012 Chicago.

00:04:01.000 And for those of you from Chicago, you understand that was very heavy Obama time.

00:04:06.000 You know, being from Illinois, by the way, we have term limits in Illinois.

00:04:09.000 Little different than California.

00:04:10.000 It's one term in office, one term in jail for our politicians.

00:04:13.000 And my grandmother was a lifelong Republican, passed away about 10 years ago.

00:04:20.000 She's been voting Democrat ever since.

00:04:22.000 And so, in Illinois, we had plenty of problems.

00:04:26.000 That was good.

00:04:27.000 That just hit me.

00:04:28.000 It took you a second.

00:04:29.000 I got to that one late.

00:04:31.000 That one had to go all the way around the room and finally hit grand. 1.00

00:04:34.000 Oh, I got that shit. 1.00

00:04:36.000 She's probably still getting Social Security. 1.00

00:04:38.000 Oh, yeah.

00:04:41.000 Not if Doge has its way.

00:04:43.000 She's getting her Social Security checkup.

00:04:47.000 So, the process was, look, I saw a problem.

00:04:50.000 And entrepreneurs are problem solvers.

00:04:52.000 It's that simple.

00:04:53.000 People say all the time, Charlie, how do I get rich?

00:04:55.000 How do I be successful?

00:04:56.000 You solve a problem.

00:04:58.000 Once you solve a problem, people will give you value.

00:05:00.000 And when you solve a problem over a period of time better than somebody else, then you have a market differentiator.

00:05:06.000 Well, I saw a very big problem, which was that the nation's youth were dramatically going to the left, that our college campuses were not places of free speech and free dialogue and open discussion.

00:05:18.000 And so I decided to start an organization that would address that.

00:05:20.000 It was called Turning Point USA.

00:05:22.000 Started it in literally my parents' garage.

00:05:25.000 With no money, no connections, and no idea what I was doing.

00:05:28.000 And thanks to the Lord's providence, and I have to give credit to God Almighty for His blessing in every single corner and step and turn.

00:05:36.000 Let's go!

00:05:40.000 We experienced the most amazing journey over 13 years, where I have been able to not just make an impact in the culture and politics, but build something of value and of great substance and depth.

00:05:54.000 As you mentioned, we have over 1,000 employees at Turning Point.

00:05:57.000 We have well over $150 million in revenue between all the different entities.

00:06:03.000 We have over 430,000 people that donate money to Turning Point USA and Turning Point Action.

00:06:08.000 You can call them our customers.

00:06:10.000 But as a nonprofit, we do have a for-profit arm, which is my show.

00:06:14.000 But as a nonprofit, our customers are actually the students, are actually the target that we are trying to reach every single day.

00:06:23.000 And so it's just been an amazing blessing.

00:06:25.000 And as an entrepreneur, I'm always looking at new problems to try to solve and new ways that we can try to bring an innovative, passionate approach to try to make America a better and stronger country.

00:06:35.000 Did he sell in America?

00:06:39.000 So keep in mind now, I opened this morning.

00:06:42.000 Yeah, we're moving.

00:06:42.000 Okay.

00:06:43.000 Yeah, thanks.

00:06:44.000 The president was on this stage and it started moving.

00:06:46.000 He's like, uh, are we moving right now?

00:06:52.000 I started this morning by saying everything starts with an idea.

00:06:55.000 And then you take the idea and you start marketing that concept.

00:06:59.000 How important is marketing?

00:07:01.000 Let me just back up.

00:07:02.000 How many people did you have on social media 13 years ago?

00:07:06.000 Eleven.

00:07:07.000 Yeah.

00:07:07.000 You were three of them.

00:07:09.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:07:10.000 I mean, it was just literally just my Facebook friends from high school back when Facebook was still a thing.

00:07:15.000 I had like 12 Twitter followers back when it was Twitter, not X. This was before Instagram, before TikTok.

00:07:20.000 It was nothing.

00:07:21.000 It was a zero-to-one story, but it was also this idea of, okay, the hardest part, believe it or not, was not getting to the billions of views that we now have or nearly 5 million people on X or 6 million people on TikTok, whatever.

00:07:36.000 The hardest part was actually getting to 10,000 followers.

00:07:38.000 The hardest part was getting to 10,000 followers or 500,000.

00:07:43.000 Once you get at scale, it is the Pareto principle, which is that And so, and then you just apply the same success formula over a period of time, and you apply that, and you realize that there is a rhythm to how God designed the universe, and the rhythm is very similar.

00:08:04.000 I believe that also the scriptures give us an idea of how we can succeed as business people, entrepreneurs, husbands, wives, and one of the ways that we are told is, Because, look, here's the thing.

00:08:20.000 Love your neighbor as yourself.

00:08:21.000 Leviticus 19, Christ our Lord repeated it.

00:08:24.000 And it's a very important teaching, but in the business world, think about it.

00:08:28.000 If you don't love your neighbor as yourself or treat your neighbor well, no one will want to do business with you.

00:08:34.000 Grant, the reason why you sell this place out for 10 years straight is because people know they're going to get value when they come here.

00:08:41.000 If it was just one year and it was the Fyre Festival, it would not be the 10X conference, it would be the 10 lawsuit conference.

00:08:48.000 Right, right, right.

00:08:49.000 But you treat people with value and reciprocal.

00:08:52.000 The worldview that I bring to a lot of students as well, though, as a tangent, is that we believe market principles, not Marxism, but market principles, demand you to treat other people well because you're both getting value in that transaction.

00:09:07.000 That there's two winners.

00:09:08.000 There's no losers.

00:09:09.000 So when somebody comes to this event, you're winning because you put on all this time and you have to be rewarded for doing all this.

00:09:17.000 Your team all has jobs and all the AV people.

00:09:19.000 But most importantly, the attendees find value and they travel from across the country and they get something out of it.

00:09:25.000 So anyway, going from 0 to 1 and then 1 to 10, 10 to 100.

00:09:30.000 10x.

00:09:30.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:09:31.000 10x.

00:09:32.000 In a lot of ways, our story is like a 5000X story.

00:09:34.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:09:35.000 It is the...

00:09:43.000 See, I didn't know you saw yourself as an entrepreneur, but I'm glad you said that because I see you as an entrepreneur.

00:09:48.000 Thank you.

00:09:49.000 I've always said, oh, that dude's a brilliant marketer, knows how to monetize.

00:09:52.000 He's not selling a product.

00:09:54.000 He's getting people to do something even harder, which is to invest.

00:09:57.000 And an idea and a concept that hadn't actually produced itself yet.

00:10:01.000 So I've watched you like, dude, that guy is a monster marketer.

00:10:05.000 Where did the original messaging come from?

00:10:07.000 And then how long did it take you to craft the message to find out what was actually people's buttons?

00:10:15.000 Yeah, and that's the beauty of social media, that if you really know how to use it, and this is very important, that you should be...

00:10:29.000 And a really good content creator understands the needs, wants, the emotions, and the inclinations of the audience, and then also tries to anticipate what content that the audience will want before they can even actually ever verbalize it or vocalize it.

00:10:46.000 So as an entrepreneur kind of in the social media space, I had a very difficult job.

00:10:51.000 It's easy to kind of look now in 2025.

00:10:53.000 Oh, yeah, of course, Charlie, you have all these followers.

00:10:55.000 I want you to think of how difficult my job was even eight years ago.

00:10:58.000 Yeah.

00:10:59.000 Eight years ago, I had to go to college campuses and reach young people on the idea that I'm not going to forgive your student loans.

00:11:07.000 I'm not going to give you free health care.

00:11:09.000 I'm not going to give you free money to not to work.

00:11:12.000 And I'm not going to say I'm going to legalize every drug that you can use for any reason you want to do it.

00:11:16.000 And my message actually is, no, you can be really successful, but you have to apply actions differently than what you're currently doing.

00:11:24.000 And America is actually an awesome country.

00:11:26.000 My message was rooted in a victor mentality, not a victim mentality.

00:11:30.000 Way harder.

00:11:31.000 Yeah.

00:11:32.000 You know how easy my platform is?

00:11:33.000 This violated the customer's always right.

00:11:35.000 Well, in some ways...

00:11:43.000 Outwardly, they wanted just free stuff for their flesh, but also deeply they realized that gives them misery and not a life of prosperity or excellence or flourishing.

00:11:54.000 When our job was how do we get the audience or the customer to try to reach to business And we saw this, quite honestly, post-COVID was a great tragedy.

00:12:08.000 And we also have to be very morally clear.

00:12:10.000 There's COVID and our reaction to COVID.

00:12:12.000 Our reaction to COVID was far worse than anything COVID actually ever did to our society.

00:12:18.000 And that must always be stated.

00:12:20.000 That the lockdowns, the masking, and what our reaction to COVID did is it created a generation that was so angered.

00:12:30.000 That was so depressed, that was so drug addicted, that was so searching for answers, that we were able to come by with a very compelling message and be not just viral, but also very appealing to a generation that was drowning in The nonsense of the modern zeitgeist.

00:12:54.000 Not to mention, you had an entire generation of young men that were being told that it was a problem that you merely even existed, that if you're a young white man, you have to apologize for just breathing at some of these schools.

00:13:07.000 And so what we were able to do, and we're very thankful for it, was really fill that vacuum and fill that void.

00:13:14.000 You didn't know.

00:13:15.000 I mean, then, you'd never imagine you'd have 100 million followers.

00:13:19.000 No, and again, that's $100 million between Turning Point USA and Charlie.

00:13:23.000 Well, whatever, dude.

00:13:23.000 $100 million is $100 million.

00:13:24.000 I know.

00:13:25.000 I want to keep it real.

00:13:26.000 I'm trying to be a little less Grant Cardone.

00:13:28.000 I'm trying to just be a little bit, you know.

00:13:32.000 We're on the same team, man.

00:13:33.000 No, I'm kidding.

00:13:35.000 Backstage, you said, man, this guy's got a lot of energy.

00:13:37.000 Do you see me as a person with a lot of energy?

00:13:39.000 Oh, yeah.

00:13:40.000 What do I do that communicates a lot of energy?

00:13:43.000 I don't know, Grant.

00:13:44.000 It's just the way you are.

00:13:46.000 God instilled a lot of energy in me.

00:13:48.000 I have to give you a compliment, Grant.

00:13:50.000 I'm giving you a hard time, of course.

00:13:51.000 It's that when you walk into a room, there's a magnetism, there's a life force that if even 10% more of humanity had it, the world would be a much better place.

00:14:01.000 It is an optimistic problem-solving.

00:14:04.000 I mean that.

00:14:05.000 Yeah, thanks.

00:14:06.000 And I only say the follower thing that I just always want to be drilled down and be accurate.

00:14:11.000 But no, I never could have imagined it.

00:14:13.000 Did you ever imagine that That you would have people fund $150 million?

00:14:19.000 Never, no.

00:14:20.000 So I'm just telling the audience, you just want to talk about in the beginning that your imagination is probably limited to the possibility.

00:14:28.000 This is a very important point, that even though your imagination is limited, I could not even grasp the concept of what does it mean to cash a check from a donor.

00:14:39.000 Understand, I was a recent high school graduate who did not know the difference between credit and debit.

00:14:44.000 That barely knew how to open up a checking account, but all of a sudden wanted to start an organization.

00:14:50.000 Like, what does that even mean, right?

00:14:52.000 But in entrepreneurship, there are steps and there are sequences.

00:14:56.000 And eventually, you get to a place where you realize what you are doing is working, making the world a better place.

00:15:05.000 And you enjoy it.

00:15:08.000 If those four things simultaneously can occur, then you are in the right place at the right time.

00:15:13.000 That is the recipe.

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00:16:21.000 Let me just also speak to some of you in the audience.

00:16:23.000 Maybe you guys are here looking for that next passion project.

00:16:27.000 I think that we actually go after our nation's youth a little bit wrong about this.

00:16:32.000 We say, hey, follow your heart in everything that you do.

00:16:35.000 I actually think we should tell them, follow your skill that you enjoy doing.

00:16:40.000 Because, for example, there are things that I really enjoy doing that I'm not that good at.

00:16:44.000 For example, I could be a college football coach.

00:16:46.000 I love college football.

00:16:47.000 It's one of my favorite things in the world.

00:16:48.000 Not my greatest and best use.

00:16:50.000 But my greatest and best use, I love politics.

00:16:53.000 I love speaking.

00:16:53.000 I love changing people's lives.

00:16:55.000 I love the battle of ideas.

00:16:57.000 But for entrepreneurs out there that might not be able to even see that horizon, understand that there are chapters and there are sequences in this kind of growth journey that you're on.

00:17:06.000 Did you know back then that there was a sequence or a system?

00:17:09.000 No, I will say, though, that Are you just, like, paying attention to the mistakes?

00:17:15.000 It was...

00:17:22.000 This is okay, and it makes you stronger, and it makes you better.

00:17:25.000 And Grant, I know you will resonate with this, is that it was all survival mode for the first four to five years.

00:17:30.000 It was running one check to the other, barely making payroll.

00:17:34.000 I did not pay myself a salary for the first six years.

00:17:38.000 And that's just, by the way, I was happy to do it because I was just pouring all the money back into the organization, pouring it all back into growth, growth, growth, growth, growth.

00:17:47.000 And now I could sit 13 years back and, you know, enjoy and see what we've grown and really pick different areas that we want to continue to invest in.

00:17:55.000 But I wish I would have had more people say to me, hey, when you're in that survival mode, You're not just going through a subsistence phase.

00:18:11.000 Does that make sense?

00:18:12.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:18:12.000 And as an entrepreneur, you will become a stronger and grittier person in those chapters, in those phases.

00:18:20.000 In fact, if you had to make me choose, Charlie, would you rather be, or would you rather have a founder that went to MIT with a great idea in AI and gets a hundred million dollar check immediately from private equity because he has a great idea?

00:18:35.000 Or would you rather have a guy that had to work nine to five jobs and midnight shifts Everybody, too much investment capital early can be a burden, not a blessing.

00:19:00.000 In fact, you'll be like, oh, you know, we're going to go have the nicest office and a ton of staff.

00:19:04.000 It is a recipe for disaster for entrepreneurs and early risk-takers to all of a sudden be flush with capital.

00:19:11.000 Being in those early stages at times can actually end up being a phenomenal upward blessing for you in the future.

00:19:17.000 Yeah, so you're saying that the surplus of money Because if you didn't have money, you were going to come up with a solution.

00:19:32.000 Yes.

00:19:32.000 Without spending money.

00:19:34.000 Not only that, I think that's right.

00:19:37.000 I would add to it, the incentive structure as an entrepreneur, I think the way that God designed us, that our best ideas and our best creativity is when it is musts, not wants.

00:19:52.000 That if you have to go make payroll, and you have to go feed your family, and you have to make this business survive, and you have burned the boats, you are going to be more likely to be able to have that company be durable and anti-fragile than the company that just has Sequoia Capital come in and drop another $50 million check.

00:20:13.000 Yeah, makes sense.

00:20:14.000 It makes you a better and stronger entrepreneur.

00:20:17.000 What do you get strong?

00:20:20.000 Stay broke.

00:20:21.000 Well, and I will add even beyond, and I love that.

00:20:25.000 I want to add another term to your vocabulary, though, everybody here.

00:20:28.000 There is fragile, strong, and then another term.

00:20:34.000 The fragile and strong is a binary.

00:20:35.000 But there's another term called anti-fragile, which is what I think you mean when you say strong.

00:20:40.000 I think you mean anti-fragile.

00:20:41.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:20:42.000 There's a book by Nassim Taleb, which is phenomenal, which is called Anti-Fragile.

00:20:48.000 Donald Trump is anti-fragile.

00:20:49.000 Michael Jordan was anti-fragile.

00:20:51.000 It is a very unique type of person.

00:20:53.000 And let me describe it.

00:20:54.000 I think Grant Cardone is anti-fragile.

00:20:55.000 So, someone who is fragile, they shatter when opposition comes against them.

00:20:59.000 They're not an entrepreneur.

00:21:01.000 Someone who is strong can endure opposition, but they don't get stronger in the midst of it.

00:21:08.000 Something that is anti-fragile, actually, it is their life force the more you push against them.

00:21:16.000 That is an anti-fragile organization, an anti-fragile entrepreneur, an anti-fragile creator.

00:21:21.000 And it's a completely different thing than being strong.

00:21:24.000 Someone that's strong survives and can withstand the storm.

00:21:29.000 Someone that is anti-fragile becomes stronger after and through the storm.

00:21:34.000 Yeah, they convert the attacks.

00:21:35.000 Bingo.

00:21:35.000 The attacks actually become surplus advantages.

00:21:38.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:21:39.000 So that brings me to your haters, okay?

00:21:42.000 Because I have a lot of haters.

00:21:45.000 And most people say, hey, I have the most haters, but I can't have the most.

00:21:48.000 I know you have a lot.

00:21:49.000 I think I got more.

00:21:50.000 And Trump's got a lot.

00:21:52.000 I mean, anybody that's got big visibility is going to have a lot.

00:21:55.000 Can you just talk about, have they aided you?

00:21:57.000 Have they provided you with the impetus for more creativity and more solutions and more funding?

00:22:06.000 No.

00:22:06.000 Well, so there's two types of haters.

00:22:08.000 There's the...

00:22:14.000 I can say it for you. 0.83

00:22:15.000 Yeah, there's like the purple-haired jihadist on a college campus that wants to murder me and my family. 0.88

00:22:19.000 Oh.

00:22:20.000 I don't have those kind of haters.

00:22:22.000 Yeah, I know.

00:22:23.000 Those people don't bother me, whatever.

00:22:25.000 My haters are nothing now.

00:22:26.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:22:27.000 You know, they have weapons.

00:22:30.000 We get death threats almost every day.

00:22:31.000 That's part of the game of the space that I'm in.

00:22:33.000 The other type of haters, though, are the ones that are the close proximity ones.

00:22:39.000 And these are the ones I know.

00:22:40.000 that had some sort of relationship with me and either betrayed me or deceived me or said that I could not succeed, that is a whole different...

00:22:51.000 Just like the random troubled person on a campus, whatever.

00:22:55.000 So the obvious, I want to hurt Charlie Kirk, doesn't bother you as much.

00:23:00.000 In fact, I actually believe that I am doing my job as a truth teller the more that those people are trying to come and murder me.

00:23:08.000 Yes, yes.

00:23:08.000 Yeah.

00:23:10.000 I know that might sound crazy.

00:23:11.000 No, no, dude.

00:23:12.000 But in the world that we are in, truth-telling is a signature of whether or not you are received.

00:23:21.000 And a sign of success.

00:23:23.000 Exactly.

00:23:24.000 Now, so the group you worry about is not Not even worry, but that draws my attention.

00:23:29.000 It's the inner circle, inside.

00:23:31.000 Yes, or people that suddenly started acting in a way where they compromise You blew them up, now they forget that.

00:23:41.000 Yeah, something like that.

00:23:43.000 Something like that.

00:23:44.000 Or they betrayed you internally.

00:23:45.000 Sure, do you have someone in your mind?

00:23:47.000 No, I'm kidding.

00:23:49.000 I love the game.

00:23:53.000 I love the game, though.

00:23:54.000 I've got to tell you, the game's good.

00:23:55.000 I will say, I'm a big Michael Jordan fan.

00:23:58.000 I've mentioned him before.

00:23:59.000 Michael was vicious.

00:24:01.000 And this is an important thing.

00:24:02.000 Yeah.

00:24:02.000 Is that everyone should watch The Last Dance, Netflix.

00:24:05.000 By the way, I'm from Chicago.

00:24:07.000 And can we just settle this once for all?

00:24:08.000 There is not even a comparison between LeBron James and Michael Jordan. 0.89

00:24:12.000 It is ridiculous, okay? 0.98

00:24:15.000 It is such a silly, sloppy, modern, like, millennial Gen Z thing. 1.00

00:24:23.000 Michael Jordan is the GOAT. 0.97

00:24:25.000 No one will ever come close to him.

00:24:28.000 LeBron is not even on Kobe Bryant's level, okay?

00:24:31.000 It goes Jordan, Kobe, Magic, and then, like, LeBron is...

00:24:38.000 How about you go lose another NBA final, LeBron?

00:24:40.000 Something Michael Jordan never did, okay?

00:24:43.000 Anyway.

00:24:45.000 6-0 in the NBA Finals.

00:24:46.000 Took time to go play baseball and come back to win another three.

00:24:49.000 Okay.

00:24:50.000 Go complain more, LeBron.

00:24:51.000 Anyway.

00:24:54.000 Sorry.

00:24:55.000 See, these are the haters that bother me.

00:24:56.000 This is one guy that I would… Especially about Michael Jordan.

00:25:03.000 No, I'm kidding.

00:25:04.000 Before you enter a battle, make sure you can win it and you can last.

00:25:08.000 I would not enter the octagon.

00:25:10.000 Kind of like an octagon thing that keeps on moving.

00:25:12.000 It's very medieval here, I don't know what.

00:25:15.000 Anyway, but the point being is that No, Vicious.

00:25:18.000 And Michael Jordan, though.

00:25:20.000 He would always say, like, once you're on my list, I will never forget it.

00:25:23.000 And it took a lot to kind of get there, but he was vicious, man.

00:25:26.000 He played to win.

00:25:27.000 He understood it.

00:25:28.000 He was loyal to his teammates.

00:25:30.000 He was loyal to those people that were always ethical.

00:25:32.000 And by the way, even other competitors like Karl Malone or It was the people that talked dirty about him, that said he wasn't up to it.

00:25:47.000 Those were the ones that Michael was like, okay, I'm going to have to go make an example out of you.

00:25:51.000 So when you first started going to the campuses, like, was that for content?

00:25:57.000 Was it for your mission?

00:26:00.000 It's a great question.

00:26:01.000 It was not for content.

00:26:02.000 I started to go to campuses with no cameras.

00:26:05.000 And I would just set up a card table and I would talk to one student at a time and just have debates and try to start a club on that particular campus and find a student.

00:26:13.000 And we'd have three or four kids and then we would start it, like at University of Wisconsin-Madison or University of Illinois.

00:26:19.000 It was pure grassroots.

00:26:20.000 And that is the other thing as an entrepreneur that I would encourage you guys as a takeaway.

00:26:25.000 Nothing.

00:26:26.000 We'll replace grassroots activity and connection and hustle and relationships, especially in a world drowning with digital and AI and synthetic and inauthentic.

00:26:37.000 Being in the grassroots, being connected with people is a defining characteristic for anyone that wants to succeed.

00:26:46.000 How do you develop authenticity?

00:26:50.000 Because I hear it all the time.

00:26:52.000 About people that are like, you're reading right now, dude.

00:26:56.000 How can you be authentic when you're reading?

00:26:58.000 Right.

00:26:59.000 I agree.

00:27:00.000 I hear it all the time.

00:27:02.000 And I don't know quite how to respond to it because almost every corporate advisor or consultant will say, you know, the problem is that you just have to be more authentic to Gen Z. I think that we solve this problem in one way.

00:27:17.000 The most authentic way that our job was to get Donald Trump elected and help him with younger voters.

00:27:22.000 That was my task.

00:27:24.000 Somebody else gave you that task?

00:27:25.000 I'm sorry?

00:27:26.000 Did somebody give you that job?

00:27:27.000 You just said, I'm doing this.

00:27:28.000 I knew him since 2015.

00:27:30.000 I know Eric.

00:27:31.000 I know Don.

00:27:32.000 And I said, I want to fill this void.

00:27:34.000 And they were unbelievably supportive.

00:27:36.000 And the president, again, deserves all the credit.

00:27:37.000 We just said, we just want to focus on this one thing.

00:27:40.000 So we had a choice.

00:27:41.000 We could go raise a ton of money, which we had the opportunity to do, and go run a bunch of TV ads.

00:27:45.000 Right.

00:27:46.000 Thank you.

00:27:51.000 Thank you.

00:27:59.000 Let's go do it.

00:28:00.000 We're going to go do it on 25 campuses.

00:28:02.000 Were these scheduled?

00:28:03.000 Were they planned?

00:28:04.000 Yeah, I mean, they were scheduled like two weeks in advance.

00:28:05.000 We have a whole amazing team that comes in and organizes and works with the administration.

00:28:10.000 And we have chapters all across the country.

00:28:11.000 But in the beginning?

00:28:12.000 In the beginning?

00:28:12.000 Oh, in the beginning.

00:28:14.000 I couldn't order a pizza, let alone schedule an event.

00:28:19.000 But like, if I wanted to go to a campus today, could I go there and just set up a cart?

00:28:23.000 Yeah, I mean, you could.

00:28:24.000 Absolutely.

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00:29:36.000 Okay, so four and five people were coming.

00:29:39.000 At most.

00:29:40.000 Yeah, and then it's all...

00:29:44.000 Yeah.

00:29:44.000 And then how did you get the debate thing going?

00:29:47.000 So, I started to realize, Steven Crowder was one of the first people that kind of got into this space, and then others were starting to go to campuses, and I would do evening campus events.

00:29:55.000 I started to realize, though, that there was a great attention in the audience, or a desire, an appetite, a demand, if you will, for the least filtered conversations imaginable.

00:30:05.000 Show me two human beings having unfiltered, unscripted, raw, and organic convos on things that I don't quite know where I stand on.

00:30:14.000 I think I lean one way or the other, and let's just kind of have it up.

00:30:18.000 And the internet at its best lends itself towards conversations that aren't censored.

00:30:24.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:30:24.000 At its worst, it became so hyper inauthentic, let's use that term again, where everything was And so we helped fill a void.

00:30:37.000 Again, it just wasn't us, but we kind of stumbled into it.

00:30:39.000 Yeah, but you're the king right now.

00:30:41.000 No, I'm not the king.

00:30:43.000 Hail the king!

00:30:44.000 10x!

00:30:44.000 I'm not the king.

00:30:45.000 Hail the king!

00:30:47.000 Christ is king, not Charlie Kirk.

00:30:49.000 Charlie's not king.

00:30:50.000 Christ is king.

00:30:51.000 Okay.

00:30:51.000 Thank you.

00:30:53.000 I do appreciate the compliment.

00:30:54.000 But I know what you're saying is that we are probably the most popular in this genre, right?

00:31:01.000 The reason being also, and I think this is important, is that other content creators that might have had an opportunity to do this, I don't think wanted to do the work.

00:31:09.000 Yeah.

00:31:10.000 I mean, understand that for the first 10 years of growing Turning Point USA, I traveled 330 days a year.

00:31:18.000 Wow.

00:31:19.000 330 days a year.

00:31:20.000 That's real.

00:31:21.000 I'm a multi-million dollar mile fire on every airline.

00:31:25.000 Yeah.

00:31:26.000 United, Delta, American.

00:31:28.000 You name a commercial airport.

00:31:30.000 I can likely tell you their three-letter call signal, the best place to get food in either the American Airlines, United, or Delta terminal, and the highly likelihood of how long you have to wait for your bag, an Uber, a taxi, and what time you need to check in at a 6 a.m. flight to get it right in time if you have TSA pre or not.

00:31:47.000 If you guys want to know LAS, by the way, the 6 a.m. flight, it's a disaster.

00:31:51.000 They only open one security line in advance.

00:31:54.000 Make sure you get there about 440 in advance.

00:31:57.000 They have that one train that goes right there, and you'll probably be able to board in time by about like 510, 515 in the morning.

00:32:02.000 All kidding aside, that was thankless work for about 10 years.

00:32:05.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:32:06.000 And it's easy to kind of look at it like, wow, you went totally viral.

00:32:09.000 Yeah, okay.

00:32:10.000 We're super thankful for that, and it's a great blessing.

00:32:12.000 But you have to be able to put in the grind, put in the hours.

00:32:16.000 And, I mean, I tallied it up.

00:32:18.000 I took 192 red-eye flights over five years.

00:32:22.000 I mean, I have a belief that a successful person is one that never has to take a red-eye flight again.

00:32:28.000 I think that's like a goal.

00:32:29.000 I think it like destroys your soul that like you have to Like, it's just, like, there's something really depleting about a red-eye flight.

00:32:37.000 But at times, like, hey, I have a donor meeting in LA, and then San Francisco, and then I'm needed in New York, and you just gotta make happen what you have to make happen.

00:32:44.000 And so it is And you have to understand the inputs that got us to this place and you have to want it.

00:32:53.000 Yeah.

00:32:55.000 Yeah.

00:32:56.000 You brought up God a number of times.

00:32:59.000 God's instilled in all of us, I think, the ability to work.

00:33:04.000 So what is it that some people do and some people don't?

00:33:08.000 Yeah, and again, I'm not here to throw my religion at anybody.

00:33:11.000 I am who I am and I express it.

00:33:13.000 And so in my faith, the Christian faith, we believe that if a man does not work, he shall not eat.

00:33:19.000 In fact, we believe that working is biblical, that God gave us the ability to create.

00:33:24.000 So it's very important.

00:33:26.000 In Hebrew, there are two words for creation.

00:33:29.000 Bachra, which is the word when God creates, and only God uses that. 0.74

00:33:33.000 So in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, right?

00:33:35.000 Only God uses to create.

00:33:37.000 And then the word achra, which is when human beings create.

00:33:40.000 So that word is used for when Abram created or Moses created.

00:33:44.000 All throughout the scriptures we see...

00:33:47.000 this idea that God rewards the creation of value.

00:33:51.000 In fact, one of my favorite teachings is when Christ our Lord in the parable of the talents, and this is a great lesson for all of you that are entrepreneurs, it goes as follows, where there is a master and a couple servants, and he dishes out basically everything, You could use that, by the way, metaphorically or literally.

00:34:11.000 Talents were literally just currency.

00:34:13.000 Or you could say it metaphorically like, hey, everyone has their own talent.

00:34:15.000 And to each one was given a certain amount.

00:34:18.000 And every one of them did something different.

00:34:20.000 One hit it under a rock and did nothing with it.

00:34:23.000 Another minorly invested it.

00:34:25.000 And one multiplied it greatly.

00:34:28.000 In the telling of the parable, the one that did nothing with that talent was scorned and said, how dare you do nothing with what God has given you?

00:34:36.000 How dare you not sow that?

00:34:37.000 How dare you not multiply it?

00:34:39.000 God wants us to be fruitful and multiply with what he has given us.

00:34:44.000 In the scripture, it says that we are made in the image of God, in his creator, in the image of him.

00:34:49.000 Well, since God creates, we can also create.

00:34:51.000 This is a uniquely Western idea that I believe has given birth to great modern scientific and innovations and the reasons why we have the greatest AI companies and the most wealthy and incredible people and why the fact we're able to send rockets into space and recover astronauts.

00:35:06.000 Thank you, Elon Musk, for that, by the way.

00:35:08.000 The fact that we have multi-trillion dollar companies.

00:35:11.000 Why is it that America has this center of enterprise and ingenuity?

00:35:16.000 Well, the Western idea, which is a biblical idea, that you are commanded to go do something productive with your life.

00:35:24.000 That you are not commanded to go sit idly by and just receive.

00:35:28.000 You are commanded to go give and to produce and to risk and to then go sow into other people. 0.99

00:35:35.000 That is a biblical idea that has made the world a profoundly better place.

00:35:39.000 Tim X!

00:35:46.000 How important is it to be surrounded by other people that work at those levels?

00:35:52.000 Does that kick you up?

00:35:53.000 Does that inspire you?

00:35:55.000 You said something once, Grant, that I really like, which is that if you are either the smartest person or the wealthiest person in the room, you're in the wrong room.

00:36:02.000 Is that correct?

00:36:03.000 Yeah, something like that.

00:36:04.000 It's an approximation, right?

00:36:06.000 And I think that's exactly right.

00:36:07.000 I try to surround myself with smarter people, more successful people, you are the So a good homework assignment for you is write down the five people you spend the most time with.

00:36:22.000 That is who you become.

00:36:24.000 And so if you are spending time with five people that are constantly complaining, they're constantly in way too much debt.

00:36:31.000 Blaming.

00:36:33.000 Criticizing.

00:36:34.000 Hating.

00:36:35.000 Exactly.

00:36:36.000 Got one more.

00:36:37.000 Wishing.

00:36:38.000 Okay.

00:36:38.000 Come on, keep going.

00:36:39.000 No, you do one, I do one.

00:36:41.000 Okay.

00:36:42.000 Can't repeat.

00:36:43.000 Can't repeat.

00:36:43.000 Victimizing.

00:36:46.000 in the past.

00:36:47.000 That's not— Living in the past.

00:36:53.000 In the pasting?

00:36:54.000 In the past.

00:36:55.000 I thought we were using adjectives.

00:36:59.000 Bro, I'm from Louisiana.

00:37:01.000 Okay.

00:37:03.000 We have limited vocabulary, okay?

00:37:05.000 I didn't grow up in Chicago, man.

00:37:08.000 Fair enough.

00:37:11.000 So now that we're done with the thesaurus hour at 10x, that type of mentality will cripple you and your business.

00:37:19.000 Yeah.

00:37:20.000 Now, this is also important.

00:37:23.000 You can go to the other extreme.

00:37:25.000 If you are around people that are so ambitious they are willing to compromise their ethics or their integrity, then you also must detach from them.

00:37:34.000 If you are about people that want to get rich quicker than they want to do good, then it's wrong.

00:37:40.000 So you have to, both are equally important.

00:37:42.000 And this is also, what I find, is that in order for you to 10x, you also sometimes have to delete certain people from your life to get you to that level.

00:37:53.000 100%.

00:37:53.000 And sometimes you have to, I know that this is not like the greatest marketing, but sometimes you have to subtract before you multiply.

00:38:00.000 Yep.

00:38:01.000 And I want you to hear me out with this.

00:38:03.000 If there are people in your life that are like, you can't do that.

00:38:07.000 You can't 10x it.

00:38:09.000 And yes, you can use it as like, okay, I'm going to show you and motivate you, but you have to be an exceptionally strong-willed person to be around that all the time and still be able to succeed.

00:38:22.000 And so I recommend, if they're family members or parents, you should honor your parents, but you don't have to immerse yourself in that.

00:38:30.000 Instead, find people that are coaches, mentors, cheerleaders, encouragers for the type of person and the type of We're honored to be partnering with the Alan Jackson Ministries, and today I want to point you to their podcast.

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00:39:51.000 I'm convinced that COVID, while all the harm it did, it also created something good came out of it.

00:39:59.000 And I think that people are still upset about COVID here four or five years later, whatever it is.

00:40:03.000 And I think that they're actually looking at the system now.

00:40:06.000 Like, it was a big lie perpetuated on a lot of people.

00:40:09.000 Do you think that there was any positive out of COVID?

00:40:12.000 Yes, and again, I keep rooting things back to scripture because it's, But yes, I mean, I believe what the enemy meant for evil, God will use for good.

00:40:20.000 And I think regardless of how bad this thing was, that there's amazing good that came out of it.

00:40:25.000 And I can give you some of the good.

00:40:26.000 And I hope that, again, we all know the negative.

00:40:28.000 But some of the good is, I think a lot of people are now taking their own personal health a lot more seriously than they were before COVID.

00:40:35.000 I think people are asking critical questions about the food they're putting in their body, about what they're giving their kids, about the supplements that they're taking.

00:40:44.000 God bless.

00:40:44.000 We have Bobby Kennedy as the head of HHS, right, and the head of Health and Human Services, So there's plenty of elements there that I think are positive.

00:40:54.000 But the one that I think I like the most, the greatest takeaway, is that it sufficiently, I think, began the end death march of the mainstream media.

00:41:05.000 I think we are now finally seeing that people...

00:41:15.000 That podcasting, places like all your amazing social media.

00:41:20.000 is now becoming more trusted because what we saw during the reaction to COVID, which was so outrageous when they were saying that we have to close down schools of healthy, vibrant kids, when they were saying that we need to mask and six feet of social distance, which was a completely made-up thing, I think it has now resulted in a counter-movement of an enlightenment of humanity that the likes of which we couldn't have imagined 50 years ago.

00:41:50.000 Yeah, you guys, are you guys awake?

00:41:55.000 So, Charlie, you're around.

00:41:59.000 I was at Mar-a-Lago the night you guys flew back in from Greenland.

00:42:02.000 Oh, yeah, that's right.

00:42:03.000 Now, a lot of people don't know this story, but they went to Greenland with Don Jr.

00:42:09.000 And everybody saw it on Instagram.

00:42:11.000 They're going over there.

00:42:12.000 What you didn't see was you guys brought a whole bunch of people back to Fort Lauderdale.

00:42:19.000 Who were those people?

00:42:20.000 I'm sitting literally next to the table you guys were at.

00:42:22.000 It was my table.

00:42:24.000 Who were the people that you brought back?

00:42:25.000 It was Don, it was Sergio, James.

00:42:28.000 It was kind of the White House staff now.

00:42:30.000 And was there some people from Greenland?

00:42:32.000 No, we didn't bring them.

00:42:33.000 Oh, dude, I thought you guys were inking a deal that night.

00:42:36.000 No, no, no, no, no.

00:42:40.000 No?

00:42:41.000 I've been telling people all over the country.

00:42:43.000 Grant.

00:42:43.000 They're inking a deal.

00:42:45.000 They're inking a deal.

00:42:46.000 Greenland is going to become the U.S. Because you want that condo building in downtown Nook really bad.

00:42:52.000 Yes!

00:42:52.000 I know you.

00:42:54.000 It's like, boom, look at that.

00:42:55.000 You get a 10 exit.

00:42:56.000 And the next 10th growth conference in downtown Nook, right?

00:42:59.000 That's exactly.

00:43:00.000 I would have sworn that was a budget.

00:43:02.000 All kidding aside.

00:43:03.000 Greenlanders, they need a 10x mentality.

00:43:05.000 If I could just say one thing.

00:43:06.000 Everybody, this is such an important example, and we see this far too often in the Native American community in America and in indigenous communities.

00:43:13.000 They've been treated terribly, obviously, you know, over 100 years.

00:43:16.000 It's awful.

00:43:17.000 However, there is a mentality that persists where it is not one where they think that every individual can flourish.

00:43:25.000 It is basically inherited that you're in the place that you are.

00:43:31.000 You're not going to get any better.

00:43:33.000 Don't try to become too successful.

00:43:35.000 And Greenland has that problem.

00:43:36.000 I don't know how much you want me to talk about Greenland, but they have unbelievable natural resources, gold, silver, aluminum, natural gas, and the young people of Greenland are starting to see on social media my content, your content, Tony Robbins, and they're like, we want to be rich.

00:43:48.000 We want to be successful.

00:43:49.000 Our parents tell us it can never happen here, and just to stop dreaming so big.

00:43:53.000 And so in some ways, the story of Greenland would actually be an unlocking of phenomenal historic human potential.

00:44:02.000 You mentioned real estate.

00:44:03.000 Do you like real estate?

00:44:05.000 And what's your interest in it?

00:44:07.000 Yeah, I mean, I love real estate.

00:44:09.000 Why?

00:44:09.000 Why do you love it?

00:44:10.000 Well, first of all, I like things that, number one, can't be printed.

00:44:13.000 So, I like finite goods, and so it's one of the reasons why I'm fascinated in Again, one person is about to become a billionaire because she's applauding me.

00:44:32.000 And congratulations, you're great.

00:44:34.000 Because you know exactly what I'm talking about.

00:44:37.000 So here's my hypothesis, and I'll get back to real estate.

00:44:39.000 'cause real estate fits into this.

00:44:41.000 My hypothesis is that the vast majority of wealth So our cars basically go the same speed.

00:44:55.000 Our planes basically at the same speed.

00:44:57.000 We deliver things basically in the same way that we did 20 years ago.

00:45:01.000 And that's finally starting to change.

00:45:03.000 Drones, driverless cars, autonomous vehicles.

00:45:05.000 However, software and hardware has not kept up.

00:45:08.000 Our software is completely different than it was 20 years ago.

00:45:12.000 from microchip processing, NVIDIA, it's totally different.

00:45:15.000 So therefore, my hypothesis is that in an era of mass inflation where you have a more dollar bills than goods and services, it makes a lot of sense to all of a sudden invest and hold onto goods of which the money printer cannot Definitionally, there's only so much that can exist.

00:45:36.000 Second, it is one of the few human necessities.

00:45:39.000 Lodging and housing is something human beings need.

00:45:42.000 And finally...

00:45:45.000 I'm not telling you to invest in anything.

00:45:47.000 I'm just saying that there'll be ups and downs.

00:45:49.000 You're not giving financial advice.

00:45:51.000 Like you, I get all these crazy threats of lawsuits, right?

00:45:55.000 But I just want to say this, though.

00:45:57.000 As a matter of fact, we have a lack of housing in this country.

00:46:00.000 It's very serious.

00:46:02.000 Five million homes.

00:46:02.000 Yes.

00:46:03.000 Young people cannot buy homes. 1.00

00:46:04.000 That's why I think 3D advanced manufacturing is going to solve this in a very serious way.

00:46:10.000 Because if you are able basically to print an entire home in a factory and assemble it in three weeks.

00:46:15.000 That's terrifying.

00:46:16.000 Versus then nine months.

00:46:17.000 My rents are going down, dude.

00:46:18.000 Well.

00:46:21.000 How much time is left on the clock?

00:46:22.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:46:23.000 Sorry, Grant.

00:46:25.000 No, but it's real.

00:46:26.000 That's real.

00:46:26.000 It's real.

00:46:26.000 And again, so this is what markets are all about.

00:46:29.000 And then maybe.

00:46:30.000 That's something you guys then invest in because you always have to stay on your toes.

00:46:33.000 That's right.

00:46:34.000 But the lack of supply of housing is a serious major issue, especially in states like California, as you mentioned, that have been so onerous when it comes to environmental impact studies, NIMBA boards, stuff like that.

00:46:50.000 You are very close to politics.

00:46:52.000 I mean, you're seeing it every day.

00:46:53.000 You're working with people.

00:46:54.000 I mean, you spend time with everybody, been on all the stages.

00:46:57.000 Do you think a person could be more influential, kind of pushing the scene from the outside, like you're doing, or being in the politics, being in a position?

00:47:06.000 I mean, it all depends on the person.

00:47:07.000 I mean, President Trump, for him...

00:47:13.000 I mean, let's take a different—let's not talk about me or you.

00:47:15.000 Let's just talk about somebody who I don't think should run for office.

00:47:18.000 I think Tucker Carlson is more influential being Tucker Carlson than if he were to be, like, Senator Carlson.

00:47:24.000 I think him, as an outsider, being a podcast host or social media personality, is far more influential.

00:47:30.000 Yeah.

00:47:30.000 Let's pick, like, Newsom.

00:47:36.000 Didn't you do an interview with this guy?

00:47:37.000 How did you do that, bro?

00:47:38.000 Like, did you take a shower as soon as you left?

00:47:42.000 Did you?

00:47:43.000 Tell me this story.

00:47:44.000 Did you feel slimy when you walked out of that room?

00:47:47.000 I've been around that dude.

00:47:48.000 I felt slimy.

00:47:50.000 I did not feel good about myself.

00:47:54.000 I asked for forgiveness when I left the room.

00:47:58.000 So that, I did ask for, you know, some sort of an exorcism.

00:48:07.000 All kidding aside, I was the first guest on Gavin Newsom's podcast.

00:48:11.000 He's not very good at this, as you can tell.

00:48:13.000 He's about as good of a podcast host as he is a governor.

00:48:19.000 I don't know if you saw my conversation.

00:48:23.000 It went pretty viral.

00:48:25.000 But he was trying to run to the middle and try to accommodate my positions.

00:48:30.000 He knows where the wind is blowing always, unless, of course, there's fires in the palatades.

00:48:37.000 Oh my God.

00:48:39.000 Do you think California can be flipped red?

00:48:43.000 With the right person, absolutely.

00:48:45.000 Does it become the movement first or the person first?

00:48:49.000 Do you think it becomes the guy or the gal that runs, or do you think it needs to be a movement?

00:48:55.000 It needs to be a mixture of both.

00:48:56.000 Movements require people to start them and lead them.

00:49:00.000 Rarely movements are allowed to continue simply on just oppositional movements.

00:49:04.000 You need an articulate, charismatic leader to lead them.

00:49:07.000 If California was flipped, it's 54 votes, right?

00:49:11.000 Electoral votes, I think?

00:49:12.000 I believe that's right.

00:49:13.000 How important would that be to the country?

00:49:15.000 Game changer, yeah.

00:49:15.000 Like what?

00:49:17.000 If California were no longer a blue state and became a presidentially red state.

00:49:22.000 I mean, you would not see another Democrat president for 100 years.

00:49:28.000 And you don't hate Democrats, do you, Charlie?

00:49:31.000 You don't hate Democrats.

00:49:33.000 I voted Democrat for 38 years.

00:49:35.000 Actually, some of my closest friends are.

00:49:37.000 I don't like any of these labels.

00:49:38.000 Let me tell you what I do hate.

00:49:39.000 I hate people that go after children.

00:49:42.000 I hate people that want to keep borders open and lie about it relentlessly.

00:49:45.000 I hate people that want to inflate our currency.

00:49:48.000 I hate people that strand astronauts and not have Elon Musk go rescue them because they don't want to give them credit.

00:49:53.000 I do not hate individual people of a political party.

00:49:57.000 I think certain ideas and perspectives are insidious and against who we are as human beings.

00:50:02.000 But I think regardless of what you call yourself, if you love the country and you love our values, you should join Team America.

00:50:09.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Charlie Kirk!

00:50:11.000 Thank you, guys.

00:50:13.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:50:14.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

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