The Charlie Kirk Show - What the Media Isn't Telling You About Ukraine and Zelenskyy + America's Mental Health Malaise with Col. Macgregor and Dr. Mark McDonald

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00:02:49.000 Early on, we tried to warn people that the West getting involved in the Russian Ukrainian war, Putin's invasion of Russia, of Ukraine, would be a mistake.

00:03:01.000 We condemned the invasion from a moral standpoint, but we said that this will only cost more lives, that this could have been solved if Zelensky would have allowed elections to occur in the eastern part of Ukraine and allowing those, those provinces, those territories, to be part of Russia.

00:03:17.000 But where are we today, 56 billion dollars that we know of have been appropriated towards this?

00:03:21.000 We don't even know where the money's been spent and unfortunately, it seems as if Putin says he's only getting started.

00:03:29.000 Well, with us to help unpack.

00:03:31.000 This is someone who has been a very clear and courageous voice since the very beginning of this conflict.

00:03:39.000 It is colonel Mcgregor.

00:03:40.000 Colonel, welcome back to the program thanks, Charlie.

00:03:44.000 So colonel, let me ask this question, what is the current state of affairs on the ground in Ukraine?

00:03:49.000 Because it's very murky if you just read western press.

00:03:52.000 And then secondly, is it true that Putin is only getting started in Ukraine?

00:03:58.000 Well, let's answer the first one first.

00:04:01.000 He currently controls, I would argue, all of the traditional Russian areas that are inhabited or populated with Russian speakers, as you pointed out earlier.

00:04:14.000 This is the area that if you'd held a plebiscite back in 2014, would have undoubtedly voted to join Russia or voted for some form of independence.

00:04:24.000 So from Putin's standpoint, he's largely achieved his aims.

00:04:28.000 The only two objectives that remain are Kharkov up in the north, which is historically a Russian city, and Odessa in the south, which is historically Russian.

00:04:39.000 Now, the reason I say he plans to ultimately take those two as the totality of his interest is that he is largely withdrawn about 70 to 80 percent of Russian army combat forces.

00:04:56.000 The forces on the ground that are effectively mopping up Ukrainian forces are, for the most part, Russian separatists from the two autonomous republics that had already tried to break away from Kiev and were subsequently recognized this year by Moscow as independent.

00:05:15.000 Chechen forces and frankly, some mercenary forces backed by huge quantities of Russian artillery and using old Russian tanks as assault guns to finish off bunkers and fixed fortifications on the ground.

00:05:31.000 So the war, with the exception of Kharkov and Odessa, as far as the Russians are concerned, is largely over.

00:05:38.000 There is no intention to do anything else because the Russians don't have a very large army, Charlie.

00:05:44.000 They've got a very limited armed force, and that's by design.

00:05:48.000 They didn't want to build a huge army.

00:05:50.000 They certainly are not in a position to threaten NATO, nor would they unless they were directly attacked by us.

00:05:58.000 And so where it gets confusing for a lot of people in the West is that if you just listen to what Washington, D.C. says, it sounds like Putin is just beginning his grand Napoleonic or Hitlerian march across Europe.

00:06:12.000 But when you break free of kind of that propaganda, we recognize and realize that this seems as if to be more kind of a family conflict that he wants very specific parts of Ukraine.

00:06:25.000 Is it true that 80% of Ukraine's military has been destroyed?

00:06:30.000 And also, why is it that Washington, D.C. wants us to get more involved with this conflict, given the facts that you've just presented?

00:06:39.000 Well, the force that was in the field when the war started, this was the standing army of the Ukrainian state, which we had poured billions into to equip, to train, and to prepare for offensive operations, frankly, against the two autonomous republics and then eventually Crimea.

00:06:59.000 80% of that force is destroyed.

00:07:02.000 And 80% of the soldiers that were part of that force are either dead or wounded.

00:07:07.000 So that's a very serious condition for the Ukrainian armed forces.

00:07:11.000 What the Ukrainians are relying on right now are what we would call the equivalent of reservists and national guardsmen, and in many cases, just civilians pressed into service.

00:07:22.000 So that, I think, is the first answer that you need.

00:07:27.000 The second part is that, you know, this nonsense that Putin wants to conquer all of Ukraine was never true.

00:07:35.000 All he ever did in the Minsk agreements was ask that Russian speakers, Russian citizens inside Ukraine, be treated equally before the law, that they not be penalized for being Russians, that they not be forced to adopt Ukrainian language.

00:07:51.000 Obviously, they could speak Ukrainian in official capacity, but they wanted to be Russians, and he wanted them to have equal rights.

00:07:59.000 That was one of the keystones in the edifice of Minsk.

00:08:03.000 It was never fulfilled.

00:08:06.000 That, I think, is widely misunderstood.

00:08:08.000 So, the last thing, the last thing that Putin wants is to go west of that NPR River and end up incorporating 20 million, 25 million Ukrainians into Russia. 0.95

00:08:19.000 He knows they don't want to be part of Russia. 0.84

00:08:21.000 That's never being his aim.

00:08:23.000 But in addition to that, we need to understand that eastern Ukraine was always viewed by us as a springboard for attack on Russia.

00:08:32.000 We were the ones that cultivated hostility in Ukraine against Russia.

00:08:36.000 We built a force inside Ukraine that was fundamentally anti-Russian and hostile to Russia.

00:08:43.000 That force was the vanguard, frankly, for larger NATO presence in eastern Ukraine.

00:08:51.000 Well, eastern Ukraine is in missile flight terms only minutes from Russia's national nuclear deterrent force.

00:08:59.000 Putin was never going to tolerate that, and he made that clear over the last 15 years over and over and over again.

00:09:06.000 Had we listened and simply adopted this notion that neutrality could be acceptable and Ukraine would have profited enormously from that, I think you'd still see the Ukrainian state largely intact.

00:09:19.000 That opportunity is lost now.

00:09:21.000 The territory the Russians control, they will not give up.

00:09:24.000 And one of the arguments that is made by the West is that we can't allow Putin to neighbor a NATO country, which you look at a map, though, and I'm going to butcher the pronunciation, but there is a million-person military base city, Kalingrad Oblast, which does border Poland that is controlled by Russian forces.

00:09:44.000 And so that just completely obliterates their argument.

00:09:47.000 There's already Russian forces on the NATO border.

00:09:50.000 And when you present that to a politician, they say, oh, well, that's more complicated than that.

00:09:54.000 Well, it really isn't because your argument has already fallen apart of your big deterrent.

00:09:59.000 Let me ask a very simple question.

00:10:01.000 Where the heck has $56 billion gone?

00:10:04.000 That's a good question.

00:10:05.000 And the Pentagon has finally sent people to Ukraine to find out because we know that weapons have already turned up in northern Iraq in the hands of Kurdish fighters because the Turks have turned them over to us.

00:10:17.000 We know that there's an arms bazaar in Kosovo, which is essentially a boiling pot of Islamist terrorism and criminality and also in Albania. 0.96

00:10:28.000 So we're going to see all sorts of American-made weapons and capabilities show up in many, many places where they were never destined to go.

00:10:35.000 And I think it's too late to really answer your question.

00:10:39.000 Too late to answer where $56 billion goes.

00:10:42.000 And I just, I'm going to make a political point here, which is people are suffering tremendously right now in America.

00:10:49.000 And what you just articulated is it's a mystery that we send $56 billion urgently while we have 7,000 people that cross into our border illegally every single day, anywhere between 5,000 to 7,000.

00:11:00.000 People can't afford groceries.

00:11:02.000 They can't afford fuel.

00:11:04.000 But we send $56 billion.

00:11:06.000 And we don't quite know where all that money went.

00:11:08.000 But based on your analysis, which is very helpful, and we know this happens.

00:11:13.000 Obviously, Rand Paul has warned about this for years.

00:11:15.000 When you oversupply a theater with weapons that you think is going to the good guys, don't be surprised six to nine months later that your bitter enemies have those very same weapons.

00:11:24.000 Don't be shocked.

00:11:25.000 Oh, absolutely.

00:11:26.000 You're spot on, Charlie.

00:11:27.000 Absolutely.

00:11:28.000 So Colonel, stay right there.

00:11:28.000 Yeah.

00:11:30.000 We have one more segment with you.

00:11:31.000 It's Colonel Douglas McGregor, who is one of the only sane voices on this Ukraine situation.

00:11:38.000 I have seen more just outrageous one-line propaganda from senators and congressmen in the last couple months that are just trying to get us deeper and deeper into a conflict where victory is not attainable.

00:11:51.000 They can't even tell you where victory, what victory is.

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00:13:11.000 Colonel, I want to play Cut 72.

00:13:14.000 It reinforces something you said where the West was the one that was pushing towards the border of Russia.

00:13:22.000 This is Lindsey Graham and John McCain and Lindsey Graham giving a rather enthusiastic speech saying, We're going to take the fight to Putin.

00:13:29.000 We're going to go straight to the border.

00:13:31.000 We're going to play offense.

00:13:33.000 Play Cut 72.

00:13:35.000 Your fight is our fight.

00:13:37.000 2017 will be the year of offense.

00:13:40.000 All of us will go back to Washington and we will push the case against Russia.

00:13:46.000 Enough of a Russian aggression. 0.90

00:13:49.000 It is time for them to pay a heavier price.

00:13:52.000 I believe you will win.

00:13:53.000 I am convinced you will win and we will do everything we can to provide you with what you need to win.

00:14:02.000 Colonel, your reaction.

00:14:04.000 Well, this was very dangerous, obviously.

00:14:08.000 And they had a receptive audience, unfortunately, in Ukraine, given its tragic history.

00:14:15.000 And I think this actually has its roots in the 1990s in Bosnia-Herzegovina and then subsequently in Kosovo and the attacks that we launched against the Serbs, which were aimed ultimately to eject Russia for all intents and purposes from the Balkans and Europe to marginalize Russia.

00:14:35.000 Russia was weak.

00:14:36.000 We were strong, and we made no secret of our desire to marginalize them as a power.

00:14:43.000 All of this is connected, and it's unnecessary.

00:14:48.000 I couldn't understand why we even continued to maintain forces in Europe once the wall came down because there was no threat from Russia.

00:14:57.000 And frankly, today there isn't one.

00:14:58.000 When the president of Finland was asked why he wanted to join NATO, he made it very clear that he didn't feel threatened by Russia in the least.

00:15:07.000 I don't think that's the case with anybody right now in Europe that truly understands contemporary Russia.

00:15:13.000 It has nothing to do with the Soviet Union.

00:15:15.000 There is no threat there.

00:15:18.000 So you asked earlier, why?

00:15:20.000 Why are we doing this?

00:15:22.000 Frankly, it's incomprehensible to me, but there is this ideology of forced democratization, I guess, that is the easiest explanation that is aimed at destroying this Russian national Orthodox Christian state. 0.76

00:15:42.000 That's a great way to put it, forced democratization, because if you were to talk to a majority of senators in both parties, by the way, they would say this is the recreation of the Soviet Union.

00:15:51.000 This is our greatest enemy.

00:15:52.000 This is a major threat.

00:15:54.000 And so, Colonel, we don't know where the $56 billion has went, has gone, but we do know that Zelensky and his family has just purchased a massive mansion in Florence, Italy.

00:16:04.000 That would be tens of millions of dollars.

00:16:07.000 Florence, Italy, being far away from Kyiv.

00:16:10.000 Can you talk a little bit about how, no matter what, Zelensky is going to kind of become the darling of the neoconservative West?

00:16:17.000 Doesn't matter how much money we've spent or where it's gone, but it seems as if every time people at the top levels of these regimes we prop up, they do just fine, and the U.S. taxpayers are on the hook.

00:16:29.000 Well, I think we're on the hook to an extent, but there are also oligarchs involved. 0.99

00:16:34.000 You know, we're always talking about oligarchs in Russia.

00:16:38.000 Well, there are oligarchs here in the United States, people who are billionaires, people who live virtually all over the world and in numerous places at any given point in time.

00:16:50.000 And they are also helping to fund the effort to effectively fight this war to the last Ukrainian.

00:16:57.000 And yes, once it becomes clear that Zelensky's utility is at an end and Ukraine is utterly devastated, I'm sure that Mr. Zelensky will be transported somewhere else.

00:17:08.000 I'm told that he also owns a mansion outside of Miami.

00:17:12.000 That's right.

00:17:12.000 I've heard exactly the same thing.

00:17:14.000 Well, Colonel, thank you for your leadership.

00:17:16.000 It's too bad that our leaders have been so hoodwinked by this entire deal.

00:17:21.000 And now Zelensky wants $750 billion to rebuild his country.

00:17:26.000 Is that all?

00:17:27.000 I mean, just round it up to a trillion, man.

00:17:29.000 I mean, come on.

00:17:30.000 Colonel, thank you so much.

00:17:31.000 Thank you for all that you do, Charlie.

00:17:33.000 I appreciate it.

00:17:33.000 Thank you.

00:17:34.000 We're going to stay on this story.

00:17:35.000 Thank you.

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00:19:43.000 Janet emailed me.

00:19:45.000 I find it so interesting that none of these globalist leaders, Merkel, Macron, May, Johnson, have children.

00:19:51.000 So interesting.

00:19:52.000 I didn't know that.

00:19:54.000 I think that emphasizes something these globalists, communists, and socialists always miss about human nature.

00:19:59.000 No man will ever work as hard for the state as he will for his family and himself.

00:20:03.000 That is so smart.

00:20:05.000 From Applegate, Michigan.

00:20:06.000 I did not know Merkel, Macron, May, and Johnson had no kids.

00:20:10.000 And neither does Lindsey Graham.

00:20:13.000 There's something deeply troubling happening in America.

00:20:16.000 We have the most depressed, suicidal, alcohol-addicted generation in history.

00:20:22.000 Why is this happening?

00:20:24.000 Did we do this to ourselves?

00:20:27.000 Well, with us to help unpack and explore that topic, and we don't have enough time to do it, but enough to get started is a great American patriot, Dr. Mark McDonald.

00:20:36.000 Doctor, welcome back to the program.

00:20:38.000 Good to be back, Charlie.

00:20:40.000 So, Doctor, let me ask you, from a psychological perspective, a lot of parents are wondering: now that the lockdowns are over and their kids are back into the flow, why are they now more depressed than ever?

00:20:53.000 What's your answer to that?

00:20:55.000 Well, my answer to that is: you know, I've been seeing children for 10, 12 years now in private practice.

00:20:59.000 And in the last two and a half, I have never, ever seen such a rapid, precipitous decline in mental health, anxiety, depression, suicidality.

00:21:08.000 Two children in my practice died during the lockdowns, both from fentanyl overdoses in their homes.

00:21:14.000 I also see incredibly huge, rapid increases in drug use, especially marijuana, which, as anyone who's been listening to the news lately has heard, is finally now starting to get its due as a cause of significant psychotic breaks and executive functioning problems in young people.

00:21:33.000 It should have happened years ago, and finally, it's now being heard.

00:21:37.000 The reason why we still have problems, even after these lockdowns are over, is that we haven't actually addressed the fundamental problem and the cause of this mental health collapse.

00:21:46.000 And in my view, it has a lot to do with alienation, particularly young men and young boys.

00:21:52.000 We have not supported, strengthened, and encouraged boys to become men, to explore, to grow, to challenge, to accomplish.

00:22:04.000 We have essentially been telling them now for years and years that they are the cause of every problem in society, that they are rapists, that they are misogynist, that they're the patriarchy.

00:22:14.000 And so, what you see, and you saw this just a few days ago on the July 4th shooting, is you see a very disturbed young man.

00:22:20.000 You can tell just by looking at his face, his hair, his gaunt expression.

00:22:24.000 He's confused.

00:22:25.000 He's wearing a skirt.

00:22:26.000 He wants to be a transgender girl. 0.99

00:22:29.000 These boys don't have a place. 0.99

00:22:30.000 They don't have a sense of purpose.

00:22:32.000 They don't understand what their identity or their meaning is.

00:22:35.000 And so they're leaving now this lockdown period where they've been sitting in front of screens playing games and watching porn, not going to school, not being tested with reality.

00:22:43.000 And they are completely at a loss.

00:22:45.000 This is not going to get better.

00:22:47.000 It's not going to improve until we actually start to address the fundamental problem, lack of fathers, acceptance of marijuana use in young people, pushing transgender ideology, the attacks on masculinity. 1.00

00:22:59.000 I mean, I could go on and on.

00:23:00.000 There's a lot of sub-causes of this, but the root cause is not supporting the growth of young men.

00:23:05.000 And of course, this affects girls too, because when you have a weak generation of young men, you wind up with girls who don't have a place.

00:23:11.000 They don't express their femininity. 0.98

00:23:12.000 They don't know how to connect with men. 1.00

00:23:14.000 They're alone and they have no purpose of getting married and having children.

00:23:19.000 These are not that complicated issues, but they're very, very difficult.

00:23:22.000 And they think they have to become men or to become lesbians or whatever.

00:23:25.000 So, doctor, let me ask you about one thing in particular.

00:23:27.000 Let's talk about the transgender thing.

00:23:30.000 So, some parents believe that if they bring their kid to a therapist, the therapist must affirm them.

00:23:37.000 Can you talk about that from a clinical standpoint?

00:23:39.000 Because I always, from my limited understanding, it's actually a therapist should try to challenge you where necessary and to try to make you grow and become a stronger person.

00:23:50.000 Can you help us through that?

00:23:52.000 Well, you're completely correct in that, Charlie.

00:23:54.000 It is actually unethical to, as they say, affirm somebody's transgendered ideology identity.

00:24:01.000 This is a political position.

00:24:03.000 This is not a therapeutic one.

00:24:05.000 And unfortunately, it's being forced and foisted upon clinicians by state medical boards, including in California and other states, where if you do not affirm as a therapist, you can have your license sanctioned or revoked.

00:24:18.000 And I know some therapists who have lost their licenses because they have explicitly challenged the child's transgendered identity.

00:24:27.000 I had two girls in my practice a few years ago who were suffering from moochausens by proxy, meaning that their mother was actually abusing them physically and making them sick in order to gratify her own sick mental illness, really. 0.70

00:24:41.000 One of the girls, after two or three years of suffering, came to me and said, Doctor, I finally figured out why I'm having so many problems.

00:24:48.000 This is before the pandemic, by the way.

00:24:50.000 And I said, What is it?

00:24:51.000 She said, I'm actually a boy.

00:24:53.000 And I paused for a moment.

00:24:54.000 I took a breath and I said, with all sincerity and compassion, I said, you may want to rethink that.

00:25:01.000 You're not a boy.

00:25:02.000 You're confused.

00:25:03.000 You're suffering in a very, very difficult household with a very disturbed mother.

00:25:07.000 Your group therapist, who happened to be a young woman, an adolescent therapist, put that idea into her mind, affirmed it, and then reinforced it as the solution to all of her problems.

00:25:19.000 She looked at me, her face dropped, she walked out of the room. 0.76

00:25:22.000 I never saw her again.

00:25:23.000 I have no idea what happened to her.

00:25:25.000 I don't even know if she's alive.

00:25:27.000 This is happening all over the country today.

00:25:30.000 This was literally three or four years ago.

00:25:32.000 This is now happening daily to most therapists in the United States.

00:25:35.000 And they were at a loss as to what to do, even if they want to do the right thing, because they are at risk of losing their professional reputations and their actual practice to do therapy or to prescribe medications if they're a psychiatrist, if they do not comply with this political intrusion into medical mental health therapy.

00:25:53.000 I think that's such a smart point.

00:25:54.000 And this is my only concern when, you know, some people say we need more mental health funding and treatment.

00:25:59.000 I totally agree, but I know that there's kind of a divide in the therapist community and in the psychiatrist and psychologist community of there's some people that affirm the issue for a 9, 10, 11 year old that actually will do incredible disservice for them long term.

00:26:17.000 Is there something deeper going on here?

00:26:20.000 Because in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, I believe there was still a commitment in the American psychological community, for lack of a better term, of absolute or objective truth, or at least a standard you wanted to go towards.

00:26:34.000 With the spread of subjectivism, a therapist might say, well, who am I to say what's best for you?

00:26:41.000 Who am I to say that if you want to starve yourself out?

00:26:43.000 Maybe that's your truth.

00:26:45.000 Maybe you want to be skin and bones.

00:26:48.000 And isn't it a therapist's job to know what is good and bring a patient towards that?

00:26:54.000 It is.

00:26:55.000 What you're describing, Charlie, is what I call a kind of postmodernist philosophy, which is born of leftism, but it's more than just leftism.

00:27:04.000 It's not just an economic or racial battle.

00:27:06.000 This is actually a philosophical battle for living in reality and truth or living in complete and utter subjectivity.

00:27:13.000 And when you infuse narcissism into it, isolation, as well as this kind of post-decadent culture that we have where we've lost our sense of meaning and challenge and purpose, because we haven't been fighting in wars.

00:27:23.000 We haven't had to search for water or food for a long time.

00:27:26.000 We just ordered on an app. 1.00

00:27:27.000 You have a hot mix that is leading to this explosion in acceptance of subjective truth, which is stupid. 1.00

00:27:35.000 It's an oxymoron. 0.99

00:27:36.000 There is no my truth, your truth, Charlie.

00:27:38.000 You have your experience.

00:27:40.000 I have my experience.

00:27:40.000 You have your opinion.

00:27:41.000 I have my opinion.

00:27:42.000 Truth exists externally.

00:27:44.000 It exists outside of us.

00:27:46.000 We try to approximate it through science and the application of wisdom.

00:27:50.000 We never get fully there.

00:27:52.000 That's our goal.

00:27:53.000 Our compass is to search for the external truth.

00:27:56.000 That is no longer the case in medicine.

00:27:58.000 The AMA last year put out a public policy position that they were no longer in support of placing M or F, male or female, on birth certificates.

00:28:07.000 They want an X. Same on passports.

00:28:10.000 The American Academy of Pediatrics is actively supporting the chemical castration of boys and girls pre-puberty in order to affirm their transgender subjective truth.

00:28:22.000 This is not only a failure of medicine and the protection against political intrusion.

00:28:29.000 This is a failure of basic reality testing.

00:28:32.000 This fundamentally, in my view, goes to good versus evil.

00:28:36.000 And subjective truth is really an evil, evil ideology, and it's killing our children.

00:28:43.000 If we don't fight back, if the 80% of therapists who have gone woke don't wake up from this, they are going to be actually destroying the next generation.

00:28:52.000 No, I know they are.

00:28:54.000 I mean, it depends on the clinician.

00:28:58.000 And, you know, you do a wonderful job.

00:29:00.000 And I know many others that do, but I have seen therapists do incredible damage to people, like serious damage.

00:29:07.000 Is that fair to say?

00:29:08.000 It is completely fair.

00:29:10.000 I would even say, Charlie, that as I just said, approximately 80% of the therapists are woke and/or incompetent.

00:29:18.000 I have tossed 80% of my Rolodex cards in the trash in the last 24 months after discovering that I can no longer trust that therapist to honor his or her ethical obligations.

00:29:28.000 And I don't think that's an exaggeration.

00:29:30.000 And when you say woke, do you mean the same themes we're talking about?

00:29:33.000 Subjectivism, affirming of what is an obvious mental condition.

00:29:40.000 Is that what you mean by woke in your taking in this postmodern leftist, subjective, philosophical position and putting it in to your practice, abdicating your responsibility as a caring yet objective bystander who intervenes when needed to assist somebody who is suffering from confusion and difficulty with thinking.

00:30:05.000 You cannot take a small child, a three-year-old, as a parent and say, you know, he's confused about what he wants to eat, but we're going to honor his truth and give him ice cream, cake, and pizza.

00:30:16.000 That's such a good point.

00:30:17.000 You don't do that.

00:30:18.000 Therapists are supposed to be somewhat paternalistic.

00:30:21.000 That's not a bad thing because the people who are coming to you are not clients.

00:30:25.000 You're not a hairdresser.

00:30:26.000 You're not an attorney.

00:30:27.000 You are a doctor.

00:30:28.000 Charlie, I do not have clients.

00:30:31.000 I have patients.

00:30:31.000 And whenever I hear a therapist say, I had another client today, I cringe.

00:30:35.000 I say, what are you?

00:30:36.000 What are you doing?

00:30:38.000 Yes, it's exactly right.

00:30:39.000 Like, how do I want my hair done?

00:30:41.000 What is this?

00:30:42.000 Yes.

00:30:43.000 You never heard the word client until about eight or nine years ago.

00:30:46.000 And it happened because the social work dogma and social workers are all left-wing loons.

00:30:46.000 Wow.

00:30:53.000 They're indoctrinated in the social work academies to be that way, took over mental health and medicine.

00:30:59.000 There are people now running the entire psychiatric child psychiatry department in Los Angeles County who have degrees in social work.

00:31:09.000 The LA County Public Board of Health Director in Los Angeles, Barbara Farrar, she's a social worker too. 0.98

00:31:15.000 These are not medical doctors, and they have jumped in.

00:31:19.000 They have impregnated themselves into the medical establishment with their political ideology, their social activism, and they have turned the profession of medicine, which is patient doctor, into provider client.

00:31:35.000 When someone says, well, Charlie, we need to honor somebody's feelings.

00:31:38.000 I say, okay, let's play a thought experiment.

00:31:40.000 Should we give liposuction to someone who has anorexia?

00:31:43.000 They want it.

00:31:44.000 They feel they're fat.

00:31:46.000 Come on, give them liposuction. 1.00

00:31:47.000 No, no, we know that's bad for them, actually.

00:31:50.000 We know that that could kill them.

00:31:52.000 And it is the clinician's job, the expert's job, to know what is good and desirable and to see a problem and to guide them towards some sort of a fulfilling life or at least improvement in their conditions.

00:32:05.000 Not saying, hey, it's actually you're perfect right where you are.

00:32:09.000 It actually creates more mental health problems and more chaos and more misery.

00:32:13.000 So you're also the author of the United States of Fear.

00:32:16.000 I want to make sure I plug that for our audience.

00:32:17.000 It's a terrific book, United States of Fear.

00:32:21.000 Tell us about your book really quickly.

00:32:23.000 I published United States of Fear back in November, Charlie, as a synopsis to explain the antecedents of where we had come from and come to as a nation in a state of decline and collapse during the pandemic.

00:32:37.000 And I trace the cultural antecedents, which didn't start just in March of 2020.

00:32:42.000 They started decades ago with the attacks on masculinity, the degradation of the feminist movement, the attacks on children and families and church, et cetera.

00:32:54.000 And from there, I explained how all of this generated a tremendous degree of fear.

00:32:59.000 And fear is such a paralyzing and incapacitating state to be in.

00:33:03.000 I see it in my patients who have PTSD and stress disorders, rape victims, trauma victims.

00:33:08.000 They cannot think.

00:33:09.000 And so we as Americans began to look towards a savior, a father figure, the federal government, as a person to bail us out of this crisis and assuage our fear.

00:33:20.000 And in doing so, we gave up tremendous, tremendous amounts of liberty, more than we have in the last 300 years since the founding of the country.

00:33:26.000 Since then, I have written a second book, which will be out in about two or three weeks, hopefully.

00:33:31.000 It's in production right now called Freedom from Fear, which is focused specifically on how we get out of this predicament.

00:33:38.000 We're already out of this pandemic.

00:33:39.000 This medical pandemic ended a lot earlier than everyone actually gave it credit for.

00:33:44.000 But the fear pandemic is still among us.

00:33:46.000 People are still running around wearing masks by themselves, outdoors, in their cars, on scooters.

00:33:52.000 People are still not eating in restaurants because they're afraid that they're going to get sick.

00:33:56.000 We still can't travel freely in many parts of the world and in certain parts of the United States.

00:34:01.000 Fear is still gripping us.

00:34:02.000 And if we can fight back against this fear, which is truly an addiction, one of the greatest addictions that we've found, I've seen really in my history of treatment, much more, much worse really than drugs.

00:34:14.000 If we can succeed in fighting the pandemic of fear and overcoming the addiction, then we can start to think rationally, think for ourselves, and take back our freedom.

00:34:22.000 United States of Fear.

00:34:23.000 Everyone, check out a copy of that.

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00:34:32.000 So now you know they could be up or down or all over the place.

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00:35:29.000 Dr. McDonald, there's a lot of parents that listen to this program, a lot of grandparents, and they're not sure what to do.

00:35:35.000 And listening to our earlier conversation, they're even more confused about what to do about their kids and their grandkids because they're worried that if they go to the wrong therapist, it could do more harm than good.

00:35:48.000 So therapy and that aside, what can parents do naturopathically, homeopathically, or just out of changes of how their home works or how they spend their time or how they discipline?

00:36:01.000 What can be done to fix the most depressed, suicidal, alcohol-educated addicted generation in history?

00:36:08.000 I just got back from the Balkans, and what I noticed in the Balkans was something specifically very different than what I experienced in the United States.

00:36:17.000 And that is a, I'm trying to think of the word.

00:36:19.000 It's more like a magnetic, not genetic, but magnetic draw towards connections with others.

00:36:26.000 Yes.

00:36:27.000 Not towards fitness and going on boot camps and checking into TikTok and Instagram and tuning out on Netflix at night, which is what everyone in the United States wants to do.

00:36:39.000 No, they don't care about that stuff.

00:36:41.000 They wake up thinking, who am I going to meet for coffee?

00:36:43.000 Whose hand am I going to shake?

00:36:44.000 Who am I going to sit down and have a look at that?

00:36:46.000 You're talking about Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, and Albania, that area, right?

00:36:49.000 Correct.

00:36:50.000 As well as Northern Montenegro and Kosovo and several people.

00:36:53.000 Very relational focus republics.

00:36:55.000 100% more than I've ever seen anywhere in the world.

00:36:55.000 That's right.

00:36:58.000 It struck me because of its absence here in the U.S.

00:37:01.000 Yes.

00:37:01.000 And I think, and I said at the very beginning, at the outset of this conversation, I used the word alienation.

00:37:07.000 There is an alienation among our young people, particularly young men, but the consequence obviously extends to young girls as well, which is at the root of this malaise.

00:37:17.000 Anything that a grandparent can do to help to reinforce socialization, face-to-face exchange with other human beings, especially peers and healthy peers, peers who are homeschooled, peers who are in sports, peers who are socially well adjusted, can really help to mitigate the harm.

00:37:35.000 Because we're swimming in a cesspool right now.

00:37:37.000 Every kid's got a cell phone.

00:37:38.000 Every kid's got access to Xanax on delivery.

00:37:42.000 Every kid has access to porn.

00:37:44.000 You can't really stop that unless you go and kidnap your child and put them in a village like M. Night Shyamalan's film out in the middle of nowhere.

00:37:51.000 But you can counter some of those forces by encouraging as much social, healthy socialization as possible.

00:37:57.000 And that is really what grandparents can do because they have a lot of time.

00:38:00.000 They have a lot of access to resources that parents don't.

00:38:04.000 That's one of the best things that grandparents can do to help their kids.

00:38:07.000 And they should have more energy because the short time they get to spend with them, meaning like I don't have to worry about, you know, getting them to sleep and all that.

00:38:14.000 It's like I got two good hours and I could really pour into them.

00:38:17.000 Two minutes remaining.

00:38:18.000 You mentioned something a couple times here that I want to zero in on.

00:38:21.000 And parents, quite honestly, they have no idea how bad this is and the chemical damage it can do to one's brain.

00:38:28.000 Pornography.

00:38:29.000 How widespread is it?

00:38:30.000 And what is the damage it's doing to our nation's young people, men, but also young ladies as well?

00:38:36.000 It's everywhere.

00:38:37.000 You can't stop it.

00:38:38.000 And it is utterly destructive.

00:38:41.000 And it's destructive for chemical reasons because it creates a dopamine rush of addiction towards immediate gratification.

00:38:47.000 And second, psychologically and even more importantly, it redefines the relationship between you and the other as one where you are receiving and you are not giving.

00:38:57.000 The other person becomes an object as opposed to a partner.

00:39:01.000 It is, just as I said earlier, anti-reality because porn is not real.

00:39:05.000 Porn is not real love. 0.97

00:39:06.000 Porn is not real sex. 0.99

00:39:08.000 And if you stay on that path, you will then lose chemically the ability to have normal, healthy sexual drives with women, if you're a man.

00:39:17.000 And secondly, you will lose the capacity to interact in a healthy way with a woman and to see her as a partner rather than as somebody who is there to service and pleasure you. 0.73

00:39:28.000 Do you believe the increase in anxiety and depression has something to do with the amount of pornography being consumed by our nation's young people?

00:39:35.000 I think anything that's coming out of smartphones and computers, whether it's likes, hearts, eggplants, flashes of breasts, body parts, anything that gives immediate gratification, whether it's benign like a heart or seriously ill like a BDSM sex scene, anything that does that and is immediately accessible to a person through a pocket device, through a computer,

00:39:35.000 I do.

00:40:00.000 is going to increase anxiety and depression because it's going to cause an artificial elevation and then collapse of one's mood because it is not based in reality.

00:40:09.000 It's like stuffing yourself with ice cream and pizza rather than eating a healthy, balanced meal every day.

00:40:15.000 Dr. Mark McDonald, thank you so much for joining us.

00:40:18.000 We'll have to have you on again soon when your new book comes out.

00:40:20.000 But everyone, get a copy of the United States of Fear Today.

00:40:23.000 Phenomenal commentary.

00:40:24.000 The emails are just coming in.

00:40:26.000 Mark McDonald just blew my mind.

00:40:26.000 Someone just emailed us.

00:40:28.000 So the response is very favorable so far.

00:40:30.000 Doctor, thank you so much.

00:40:32.000 Appreciate it.

00:40:33.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

00:40:35.000 Email me your thoughts as always.

00:40:36.000 Freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:40:37.000 Thanks so much for listening.

00:40:38.000 God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - July 09, 2022

What the Media Isn't Telling You About Ukraine and Zelenskyy + America's Mental Health Malaise with Col. Macgregor and Dr. Mark McDonald

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