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00:01:27.000Joining us now is one of my favorite leaders in the conservative movement.
00:01:30.000He does a great job, Governor Stitt from the great state of Oklahoma, who he has now pledged support for the Texas border crisis via the Oklahoma National Guard.
00:01:41.000Governor Stitt, welcome to the program.
00:01:43.000Tell us about that announcement and why it's so important for the people of Oklahoma.
00:01:48.000Well, first off, thanks so much for having me on, Charlie.
00:01:51.000You know, like most Americans right now, Oklahomans certainly are looking at what's happening at the southern border and we just don't understand.
00:02:00.000I don't know what you call 6 million people illegally entering our country unless you call it an invasion.
00:02:07.000And so we certainly stand with Governor Abbott.
00:02:10.000The fact that the Biden administration is cutting razor wire to let people into the country is just unbelievable to us.
00:02:19.000Listen, there's 28 ports of entry along the southern border there in Texas, and it's already a federal law.
00:02:26.000It's illegal to enter anywhere except for those ports of entry.
00:02:30.000And the last time I flew to Mexico, you know, I had to land at an airport with a customs office and show my passport.
00:02:39.000It's so, this is so asinine that we're even having these conversations, and I don't even know what the Biden administration's doing right now.
00:03:31.000What can you point to in your state that has made your job as governor more challenging because of our open border?
00:03:37.000Yeah, well, first off, the fentanyl crisis.
00:03:40.000I think it's important that Americans understand.
00:03:43.000And in Oklahoma, our fentanyls have increased by 500% just since I've taken office in 2019.
00:03:51.000And then you look at, let's take our healthcare industry for a second.
00:03:57.000You know, it's illegal for a federal law that when somebody shows up to the ER or hospitals, they have to give them service, whether they're illegal or not.
00:04:06.000I mean, I don't understand how dumb we have to be.
00:04:11.000We are creating, the Biden's policies are creating this mass migration.
00:04:19.000I mean, governors like myself, we would like to have more control over our H-1B1 visas so we can meet workforce needs, true workforce needs.
00:04:30.000And if our labor force needs labor, but it's got to be done legally, we have to know who's coming into the country.
00:04:38.000And so right now, you have people on the terrorist watch list that are coming in illegally.
00:04:44.000And so again, the only explanation that the Biden administration can have is they're literally trying to bring in people that they think are going to vote that they want, and they want to try to change the voter laws and make just a bunch of voters new voters for themselves is the only explanation you can have.
00:05:03.000But we got to focus on what's best for America, not what's best for someone's next election.
00:05:08.000And the American people are getting sick of it.
00:05:11.000So you are signaling support from the Oklahoma National Guard.
00:05:20.000I suppose they're still under your control, or do you delegate that to the governor of Texas?
00:05:26.000What are they going to be doing on the southern border?
00:05:29.000And have you heard any whispers that Joe Biden might federalize your National Guard?
00:05:33.000Well, we've already sent troops to the border once before.
00:05:36.000And I think about 10 or 12 other Republican governors did that in support of Abbott when he asked us last time.
00:05:41.000And I actually went down to Eagle Pass and went down and to meet my troops on the border to put my eyes on it.
00:05:48.000And the razor wire piece, that's literally all it is is a barrier right there at the river's edge to keep people from coming up.
00:05:56.000Because as soon as they touch the soil of the U.S., that's when the Biden administration was just releasing them and giving them a court date that says, come back in two years.
00:06:08.000And so Abbott and all of our troops were trying to keep people from entering the country.
00:06:13.000Again, pretty common sense, but we'll do it again.
00:06:17.000We've already pledged that as soon as Abbott needs them, Oklahoma will be there to help them support.
00:06:22.000But I think it'd be a tremendous mistake for President Biden if he tries to federalize the Texas National Guard because these are still Texans.
00:06:33.000I've talked to Texan, Texas National Guard.
00:06:36.000They know how silly the Biden policy is.
00:06:39.000They want to protect their communities.
00:06:42.000And so you're going to put our National Guard in a tough situation trying to obey what they know is a very, very foolish policy allowing invasion to come into our country illegally.
00:06:55.000And I think it's a powder keg that's ready to go off.
00:06:58.000I hope Biden calms everything down and doesn't try to push this issue because Americans are sick of it.
00:07:04.000I mean, can you imagine if Joe Biden federalizes 26 states National Guard?
00:07:09.000I mean, I don't even know how to process that, Governor.
00:07:14.000Yeah, well, I think that, you know, our National Guard, they're here to serve the country, but they're also Oklahomans.
00:07:33.000Yeah, it would be completely, I want to be very clear.
00:07:35.000This would be completely on Joe Biden to unnecessarily escalate a conflict.
00:07:40.000Like, why don't you go visit and talk to you and Abbott, Mr. President, before you even like whisper federalizing anything?
00:07:49.000Like, I know working more than two hours a day is unusual in this White House, but I mean, just it would be so insane and so outrageous.
00:07:58.000And, Governor, from a moral perspective, you've been really clear on this and excellent, which is we are being invaded.
00:08:05.000And Oklahoma is not technically a border state, but your border adjacent, you're only a couple hours and you're seeing the flow.
00:08:10.000And by the way, one of the thoroughfares of which a lot of the drugs and fentanyls go through goes straight through your state.
00:08:15.000It goes straight through the state of Oklahoma.
00:08:18.000And this is impacting us in humanitarian ways.
00:08:23.000I would argue that almost every single state is a border state.
00:08:26.000Can you just talk, though, about how some of your other Republican governor colleagues, I'm very encouraged to see now 25 states stepping up, you guys originally, what do you, because that's double.
00:08:40.000Yeah, I think to me, I think the straw that broke the camel's back for even moderates or even people in the Democratic Party, when they saw the Supreme Court in a 5-4 decision say that we can start cutting these wires down to let people in illegally outside of these ports of entry.
00:09:00.000I think that's just that this makes no sense whatsoever.
00:09:05.000So obviously, I'm glad to see the other Republican governors stepping up.
00:09:09.000I think quietly, Democrat governors are like really tired of this.
00:09:15.000You see New York calling foul and you see Illinois asking for more resources.
00:09:22.000These even liberal states realize this is unsustainable.
00:09:27.000And they're asking for federal resources now, which I'm absolutely opposed to giving any federal resources to try to shure up some of these other cities, some of these other states.
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00:11:17.000So, Governor, I want to get to the LNG story, but first, do you have any comment on just some of the whispers of what we're hearing out of Washington, D.C. in regards to an immigration deal?
00:13:24.000They've got to drive their kids to school.
00:13:27.000It makes no sense whatsoever not to be energy independent and not to sell to our friends and our allies and force them to buy from their enemies.
00:13:36.000Is there a lawsuit in the making here?
00:13:37.000I mean, this is this, and what does this mean for Oklahoma if this becomes policy, the suspension of using this great blessing that God gave us underneath our feet?
00:13:46.000Yeah, I mean, well, first off, you know, Oklahoma is like the pipeline capital of the world.
00:13:50.000This is also interesting, Charlie, that I think your listeners would love this.
00:13:55.000You know, in Cushing, Oklahoma, we have the largest oil reserve, commercial oil reserves, about 100 million barrels.
00:14:02.000It's actually where they price WTI oil.
00:14:09.000There's already two pipelines from Canada to Cushing, Oklahoma that deliver safe natural gas and all the way down to the coast then to get on ships to go to our allies around the world.
00:14:22.000The third pipeline, the third pipeline was going to be the Keystone XL that the Biden administration killed.
00:14:29.000There is already two pipelines from Canada to the U.S. into Cushing, Oklahoma.
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00:18:20.000But I've been thinking about how else to have an impact across the country.
00:18:23.000And we need a good Senate and we need a good Congress to be able to get this done.
00:18:26.000And so I'm looking at who are the top candidates who I'm going to actively be able to support to make sure they're able to shape our country.
00:18:34.000And one of those I want to announce for the first time today is Kerry Lake, who I'm going to now officially, as of this moment, endorse wholeheartedly in her race to actually help lead this country.
00:18:43.000And she's, as you know well, an America First Patriot.
00:18:46.000But the thing that stuck out to me about Kerry, there's a lot to love about her, but she is one of those few people with a spine to actually stand up and stick it to the establishment media without fear of consequence.
00:18:59.000And I know a lot of Republicans will generally in vague terms complain about the media or whatever.
00:19:04.000I think Kerry is somebody who knows how to cut through a lot of that smokescreen and get to truth.
00:19:09.000And you think about the media is supposed to hold the government accountable.
00:19:13.000Who's going to hold the media accountable?
00:19:14.000It's going to take Republicans like Carrie Lake to do it.
00:19:17.000And so there's a lot of reasons why I support her.
00:19:18.000Her tough stance on the border, being from Arizona, a lot of her colleagues being complicit.
00:19:23.000I would go so far as to say in the open border situation we have, but somebody who's going to stand for American values, stand for America first principles, but also have the spine to stand up against the media.
00:19:33.000That brought me around wholeheartedly to say I'm going to be helping her and doing everything I can to make sure she is indeed representing us.
00:19:40.000We love Carrie and Carrie is in it for the right reasons.
00:19:43.000So that's an awesome announcement, Vivek.
00:19:46.000And you're welcome here anytime in Arizona.
00:19:47.000We're planning something very, very big, hopefully soon.
00:19:50.000So, Vivek, there's so much I want to talk to you about, but here's a question I haven't heard you answer because people ask you the popcorn stuff, and that's fine.
00:19:58.000What did you learn running for president?
00:20:04.000It's been only not that long, and I want to take some time to reflect on it.
00:20:07.000But a few things that I've learned: the first two things are going to sound stupid because you're going to say, How did you not know this?
00:20:12.000And I did know it, but I didn't really know it, is the influence of mega money on politics.
00:20:17.000I mean, the audience for the audience for the debates, for example, is not the people of this country.
00:20:22.000The audience for the debates are the gatekeepers, the mainstream media and a donor establishment that uses that to take their cues of who's going to actually advance their agenda.
00:20:32.000So, that was one of my learnings: you know, the media is going to be powerful, and the mainstream media is going to have an effect in tilting the scales.
00:20:37.000You know, the mega donors matter, but you think you can stand up to that only to a limited extent, is what I've learned.
00:20:43.000Is at the end of the day, the people who have determined and tilted the scales hold far more power than I expected.
00:20:49.000I'm not sitting here to whine about that or anything else, but it is a learning that I think I'll take forward with me, and it's worth understanding deeply if we're ever going to fix it.
00:20:57.000I think the positive learning, Charlie, is that I also went to places in this campaign that traditional Republican candidates don't go.
00:21:05.000I've been to the south side of Chicago, I've been to Kensington and the inner city of Philadelphia, I've been to parts of the country, been on the West Coast, California.
00:21:12.000One thing I've recognized, even last week after the campaign ended, I went to New York City to visit friends and family.
00:21:17.000When I was in New York City last week, I'm not kidding you, Charlie.
00:21:20.000I'm driving, I'm like walking around on Central Park West.
00:21:23.000There's people driving their cars, sticking their heads out of their cars.
00:21:26.000People might be 25, 30 years old, screaming in support.
00:21:30.000I'm meeting doormen in apartment buildings that'll come up and tell me I'm with Trump and I'm excited you're endorsing him, but don't tell anybody else.
00:21:37.000This is in the middle of Manhattan and New York City.
00:21:40.000One of the things I've realized is that we are actually, in substance, 80% of us, far more united in this country than the media would teach you to believe.
00:21:59.000And I think that's something I learned in this, it opened my eyes this year.
00:22:02.000It leaves me, that's the part that leaves me hopeful, and there's a part that leaves me more cynical.
00:22:06.000And both of those, I would say, are learnings from the last year.
00:22:09.000Yeah, I mean, it's kind of both those takeaways are somewhat different sides of the same thing, which is that the people are with us, but the oligarchs are not.
00:22:17.000And they control the process and the infrastructure.
00:22:56.000I mean, Elon Musk, you drew the attention of Elon Musk for multiple hours on these Twitter spaces.
00:23:01.000You have the world's wealthiest guy that is running some of the most powerful companies on the planet, and you're having substantive, detailed conversations.
00:23:08.000So I call you the red pillar of the elite because we need some of the elite.
00:23:12.000We don't need all of it, but it kind of goes to your media.
00:23:17.000So in the long run, I don't think we should have these separate categories of the gatekeepers versus the will of the people.
00:23:23.000That's what we fought in American Revolution to say that it's not decided in the back of palace halls.
00:23:27.000It's decided by the people through a constitutional republic.
00:23:31.000But in the meantime, this can't just be a myth.
00:23:33.000In order to get there, I think what we have to realize is that many people who have achieved the American dream, as I have, right, who have lived in the elite halls of nations, elite universities or whatever, I think many of them are still good, earnest people that may have not been given the permission in their environments to be able to say the things that are probably true in their heart, but they've convinced themselves out of.
00:23:55.000And so, one of the things that I did in this campaign, but I want to continue to do, Charlie, is give a lot of those people the permission to speak openly what they otherwise might even say in private at the dinner table.
00:24:05.000I mean, you look at the likes of it, it's not easy.
00:24:07.000In some ways, you got to celebrate that even more because it's harder.
00:24:10.000They have negative consequences financially that inert to them.
00:24:13.000I mean, the likes of Elon Musk, I mean, even the likes of people on the center left, people like Bill Ackman, I've appreciated a lot of his eye-opening behavior and I've butted heads with him and we have, we're friends, but we have sparred aggressively and disagreed vehemently.
00:24:26.000But I think that's those are the kinds of people with whom you need to have open, honest debate.
00:24:31.000And I think the path to reviving this country runs through that kind of honest debate.
00:24:36.000I would say in all corridors of American life, but including even amongst former colleagues or peers in so-called elite America.
00:24:44.000I do think that's an important element of this fight.
00:24:47.000And every one of us, right, we each have our own unique advantages.
00:24:50.000We've got to look ourselves in the mirror and ask how are we going to use our own God-given gifts, our own unique abilities, and our own unique gifts to be able to drive change in this country.
00:25:00.000And that's definitely one of the ways that I feel a sense of responsibility to help drive change in our movement as well.
00:25:06.000In addition to the elite opinion, I saw this happening with a specific type of voter that Republicans need to win.
00:25:13.000This is the Joe Rogan crypto miner voter.
00:26:13.000We need to win the Rogan bro entrepreneur young male vote.
00:26:17.000So I'll give you a few different buckets that I think we are going to win.
00:26:20.000And I'm doing everything in my power to make sure we do.
00:26:22.000And that's why I think we're going to potentially have a landslide of epic proportion this November.
00:26:27.000I'll say young people, young people who are libertarian, aspiring entrepreneurs, historically apolitical, but want to succeed without anybody else flogging them for who they are.
00:26:37.000I also think that black men are a pretty interesting demographic.
00:26:42.000Charlie is, I was surprised with the level of black male support, particularly, I mean, I like black female support too, but I'm talking about a specific demographic of people who have been told to shut up, sit down, do as they're told that are now kind of sick of that.
00:26:56.000A lot of people in the cryptocurrency world, a lot of Bitcoiners, a lot of young entrepreneurs who are aspiring.
00:27:01.000And so people who may identify as libertarian.
00:27:04.000What I would say, Charlie, is you would say they're not MAGA.
00:27:06.000I just want to riff on that a little bit.
00:27:11.000I think they may not be traditional Republican.
00:27:13.000I think we need to define what MAGA is.
00:27:15.000And MAGA means the people we elect to run the government are the ones who run the government.
00:27:19.000We, the people, create a government accountable to us, not the other way around.
00:27:22.000And our leaders owe a moral duty to this country, not another one.
00:27:26.000Put it that way, yes, we're bringing all of those independent, so-called centrist podcast long-form listening, potentially Bitcoin trading crowd along with us who historically make comfortable saying in public that they're libertarian.
00:27:40.000But they're actually, there's a national, there's a nationalist streak to it too, that absolutely makes that part of the MAGA movement.
00:27:46.000And so one of the things we've got to do is Joe Biden's going to use the word MAGA, whatever.
00:27:52.000He's going to make that part of the theme heading into this November.
00:27:55.000I don't think we should hide from that label.
00:27:57.000I think we should embrace it and use that to encompass a lot of other people from black men in the inner cities to cryptocurrency traders to people who are young entrepreneurs aspiring across this country to say that, you know what, we are MAGA.
00:28:19.000I was about to get 8% in New Hampshire as well.
00:28:21.000But I think this GOP primary needed to be over.
00:28:24.000I think for all intents and purposes, it is over now to throw that vote and then summon Donald Trump's direction and to make sure we're focusing not just on winning this general election, but by doing it with this kind of moral mandate shock landslide quality.
00:28:41.000I think Donald Trump in 2024 could do that.
00:28:44.000This could be the 1984 of Ronald Reagan as the 2024 of Donald Trump.
00:28:48.000And I think that's the single greatest thing we could do to unite this country and then use that wave to send good people like Kerry Lake into the Senate and do the same thing as well.
00:28:55.000That's what it's going to take to get this country back.
00:28:57.000You did a great job on that Charlemagne show.
00:29:01.000And Vivek, I want to just encourage you.
00:29:03.000I think you could be a deciding factor in this upcoming election.
00:29:06.000One of the big things that has changed since 2020 is there's probably been a 30 to 40 percent increase in production and definitely consumption of long form podcasting since the last election.
00:29:17.000Liberals and left-wingers, with the exception of a couple tricksters, they can't play ball in long-form podcasting.
00:29:22.000There's a couple that can do it because they're really, really talented sophists, but the majority of them, they can't do it.
00:29:53.000Your vocabulary and your diction and your word selection really resonates with college educated high IQ people that don't necessarily just want to hear the name calling that they get exhausted, but their policy in alignment with us.
00:30:05.000I am now hereby appointing Vivek as the official long-form podcasting surrogate of the consultant movement.
00:30:14.000We're getting some of the clips here, but for the son of the audience, for good reason doesn't know, there's this guy, Charlemagne.
00:30:20.000He's very powerful in the black community.
00:30:22.000He's a little bit more of a free thinker than people give him credit for.
00:30:31.000And I'm sure the response you've received is overwhelmingly positive.
00:30:34.000Yeah, look, I think that we had a serious conversation.
00:30:37.000So what happened is early on in my campaign, I went on that show and there was Charlemagne and there was this guy, DJ Envy, who are in person.
00:30:45.000And then there was this third person, this woman who remoted in.
00:30:49.000And that interview, I mean, it worked out okay, but it went off the rails.
00:30:53.000I mean, you should just watch this from over a year ago.
00:30:55.000It was unnecessarily contentious about some weird topics that she was challenging me on about how I hadn't run for student council president.
00:31:03.000She had, we don't have to go there, but it was just a, it was, it was a very uncomfortable interview a year ago.
00:31:08.000And at the end of that, Charlemagne had told me, he's like, well, I bet you're not coming back after this.
00:31:28.000So we came on on Monday morning and we had actually, what was actually a really productive conversation, unlike the first time that I went on, where we talked in depth about some contours of American history, where I'd like to think that, you know, usually I'm doing this to persuade the audiences, but not necessarily the hosts.
00:31:44.000But I think on the occasion we just had earlier this week, I think I did actually persuade the hosts of a few things of our history that, you know, they may not have known about.
00:31:52.000And I think those are the conversations we need to have as a country if we're going to move this country forward, such as the legacy of slavery or our founding fathers actually forever tainted because they own slaves, you know, that age-old topic.
00:32:03.000I think we made some progress on that by just not arguing it, but just talking some facts about history that the other two weren't aware of.
00:32:10.000And I think that was a positive for the country, I hope.
00:32:39.000And I think if we're going to take this seriously, every one of us has to acknowledge the full nuances of our history in every direction.
00:32:46.000To say that we're not going to listen to Thomas Jefferson or that our founding was illegitimate because they were deeply imperfect and flawed is every bit as bad as somebody who's going to say that I'm going to entirely dismiss the fact that they were slave owners.
00:32:59.000I think that both of those are mistakes that could lead to the failure of our country as we know it.
00:33:07.000I think you did an excellent job on there, Vivek.
00:33:19.000And both of them relate to the deeper question about what the heck is my government actually doing to say they care about me versus caring about people halfway around the world or south of our own border.
00:33:30.000When I went to the south side of Chicago, one of the things I saw was they're converting South Shore High School into an encampment for migrants at $7,000 per migrant per month.
00:33:39.000Now, there are a lot of people in that community, they challenge me on things like racial reparations, and I didn't budge on my position.
00:33:46.000But where we actually found common ground was to say that, you know what, America First does include all Americans.
00:33:51.000And so they're providing baby formula and sneakers and the totality of $7,000 per illegal per month, converting their high school into an encampment.
00:34:00.000Yeah, you are right in this community to ask what the heck about me.
00:34:03.000And I got questions there asking about why are we forking over hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine, this corrupt country halfway around the world for a war that no one's explained to me actually helps me here at home when we're not doing enough for veterans benefits or Social Security or Medicare protection for the people who do live here.
00:34:21.000And then I think the other winning issue for a lot of black men in particular is this idea of just speaking the truth in an unscathed, in an unvarnished way.
00:34:32.000Even the hard truths about what's the truth about what really happened on January 6th?
00:34:36.000What's the truth about the FBI's corruption that led to the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot?
00:34:40.000I found that a lot of people, because there's a history here, Charlie.
00:34:43.000I mean, the FBI was corrupt in the 1960s, going after Martin Luther King or civil rights activists with incorrectly collected tapes.
00:34:50.000And so I think when that lands on the ears of many black Americans, they hear a different valence than the average, let's just say, you know, New England Boston Bramin class.