The Charlie Kirk Show - July 20, 2023


What Was Bill Barr Doing? with Julie Kelly and Michael Seifert


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34 minutes

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Julie Kelly and Michael Seiffert join us to celebrate Public Square going public, and to talk about the latest on the Trump administration and the scandal surrounding the so-called "Russiagate" scandal. Plus, we have a new way to support the show by becoming a Member.

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00:00:00.000 Today, the Charlie Kirk show, Julie Kelly joins us, and Michael Seifert joins us.
00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.
00:00:04.000 First, to celebrate Public Square going public.
00:00:07.000 I own shares and I am an investor.
00:00:09.000 That's my disclaimer.
00:00:10.000 We're not here to give you investment advice, but we want to celebrate this noteworthy news.
00:00:14.000 And then we have Julie Kelly.
00:00:16.000 I'm going to talk about, will Trump be going to federal prison?
00:00:18.000 What is going on with the whistleblowers?
00:00:20.000 So much there.
00:00:21.000 We have some exciting news to share.
00:00:24.000 A way to support our show directly.
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00:00:32.000 If you support us at charliekirk.com/slash support, we are migrating you all over.
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00:01:03.000 And by the way, when you're a member, this is a solid program to be able to help us remain clear, confident, and unafraid against the corporate bullies.
00:01:13.000 Here's a little bit of my combo with Tucker Carlson.
00:01:16.000 We talk about this sometimes.
00:01:17.000 Your faith, has it strengthened?
00:01:19.000 Have you grown closer, farther apart from God?
00:01:21.000 Not just through this, but just in your seven years from Fox, because you do talk more spiritually, especially in the last couple of years.
00:01:28.000 I probably shouldn't because, I mean, I love it.
00:01:30.000 You don't want to take spiritual advice from me.
00:01:32.000 Well, I'll be honest, Tucker.
00:01:34.000 I don't take spiritual advice from Episcopalians.
00:01:36.000 You shouldn't.
00:01:37.000 Trust me.
00:01:38.000 When an Episcopalian tells me about the Bible, I say, stop.
00:01:40.000 Well, trust me, no Episcopalian is ever going to tell you about the Bible.
00:01:43.000 No, they'll tell you about their feelings.
00:01:44.000 No, it's social justice.
00:01:46.000 What a lie about it.
00:01:46.000 That's right.
00:01:47.000 And I was talking about this last day, actually.
00:01:49.000 I've been just for my own interest reading the Bible since February.
00:01:53.000 Beautiful.
00:01:54.000 It's just so interesting.
00:01:55.000 It's the most interesting thing I've ever read.
00:01:56.000 It's the whole civilization is based on it.
00:01:58.000 It's completely blown my mind.
00:01:59.000 Boy, if that spiked your interest, go to members.charliekirk.com, members.charliekirk.com and become a member.
00:02:05.000 I deeply appreciate it.
00:02:06.000 It keeps the show strong.
00:02:09.000 And we really, really are thankful.
00:02:11.000 Buckle up, everybody.
00:02:12.000 Here we go.
00:02:13.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:02:15.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
00:02:17.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
00:02:20.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
00:02:24.000 I want to thank Charlie.
00:02:25.000 He's an incredible guy.
00:02:26.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.
00:02:33.000 Turning point USA.
00:02:34.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:02:43.000 That's why we are here.
00:02:46.000 Brought to you by the Loan Experts I Trust, Andrew and Todd at Sierra Pacific Mortgage at andrewandTodd.com.
00:02:56.000 Big day today for the Patriot economy.
00:02:59.000 Joining me now is a great friend of mine, Michael Seifert, who's having a huge day, and he had a very interesting week to share.
00:03:06.000 Before we go any further, I want to do full disclosure.
00:03:09.000 I own shares in this company.
00:03:10.000 I'm not giving you investment advice.
00:03:12.000 It is a publicly traded security.
00:03:14.000 I need to do all those disclaimers, right, Michael, to make sure everyone knows what's going on here.
00:03:18.000 But it is publicly listed.
00:03:20.000 Michael Seifert Public Square is now on the New York Stock Exchange.
00:03:24.000 Michael, congratulations.
00:03:26.000 How you doing?
00:03:27.000 I feel electric, Charlie.
00:03:29.000 It's been an amazing day.
00:03:30.000 It's a very good day for our company, our movement, and the country.
00:03:34.000 The voices of we the people have long needed representation on Wall Street.
00:03:40.000 And today, that happened.
00:03:41.000 In fact, we shouted USA so loud on the trading floor that Jim Kramer with CNBC had to stop what he was saying and he got visibly frustrated.
00:03:51.000 You can find it on Twitter.
00:03:52.000 The clip is going viral.
00:03:53.000 And the other guy had to close his ears as he was talking.
00:03:56.000 So it was really a remarkable morning.
00:03:58.000 The voices of the people are being heard, Charlie, and the parallel economy had a big win today.
00:04:03.000 It's beautiful.
00:04:04.000 We have this clip here: Jim Kramer, who if Jim Kramer comes out and he says that Public Square is going down, you guys are going to be a $100 billion company because this guy is wrong just about everything.
00:04:15.000 But it's so interesting.
00:04:16.000 So CNBC does their live show from the floor of the New York Stock Exchange, and you guys are ringing the bell.
00:04:23.000 And this organic chatter from the floor starts breaking out.
00:04:26.000 USA, USA.
00:04:28.000 And Public Square, by the way, is going up like crazy.
00:04:31.000 I'm looking at the stock.
00:04:32.000 Looks like there's a lot of pent-up demand for the Patriot economy.
00:04:35.000 Enjoy this clip.
00:04:36.000 This is amazing.
00:04:37.000 CNBC, how dare you celebrate the country?
00:04:37.000 It's going viral.
00:04:41.000 We're just supposed to worship money around here.
00:04:43.000 Play Cut 109.
00:04:46.000 You know, Jim, percent of sales right now, new home sales are so much higher than they have been.
00:04:54.000 You know, these 8,800 are this quick.
00:04:57.000 But maybe you need to know that is that home prices are up 40% since 2019.
00:05:05.000 And that's the magic number that the Fed is upset about.
00:05:10.000 You heard the movie something about here at the big board.
00:05:13.000 Just two full-on thing you and the stat this time.
00:05:21.000 Michael, they've never experienced something like that.
00:05:24.000 Was that organic?
00:05:25.000 Was that some people that you guys had to come alongside and celebrate you?
00:05:28.000 And by the way, the ticker symbol, again, not giving investment advice, all the disclosures there.
00:05:32.000 There's so many rules around this, but it's just for anyone that might be interested.
00:05:35.000 It's PSQH.
00:05:36.000 Is that right, Michael?
00:05:38.000 That's correct on the New York Stock Exchange.
00:05:40.000 And so, so, Michael, did you bring in like a cheer team from, you know, the University of Alabama or something?
00:05:45.000 Where did all that come from?
00:05:46.000 It was an amazing amount of energy.
00:05:48.000 I mean, just walk us through it.
00:05:50.000 CNBC couldn't even believe it.
00:05:51.000 Well, what was pretty cool, Charlie, is that yes, we had a great team there.
00:05:54.000 We had a lot of our employees and partners and investors that have joined us from the beginning, but we also had a lot of the traders on the floor chanting with us.
00:06:03.000 In fact, what was pretty incredible to witness is the amount of support we had from the actual employees of the stock exchange.
00:06:10.000 When I got down off the podium after ringing the bell, I talked to one of the people that was leading the floor and he said, Hey, your approval rating in this room is 99.9%.
00:06:18.000 People love what you are doing here.
00:06:21.000 And the reception we received was fantastic.
00:06:23.000 So I hope that sends a really loud and clear message that you're not alone.
00:06:27.000 If you're watching this broadcast right now or you're listening to this podcast and you ever question whether or not we have a massive amount of people standing with us, today was proof that we do.
00:06:37.000 We absolutely have the majority of this country that is tired of this ruling class of elites that tell us what to do.
00:06:44.000 They lecture us about stupid progressive policies.
00:06:47.000 And we are speaking up.
00:06:49.000 We are pushing back and we're doing it in a hopeful, positive way.
00:06:52.000 We're not just boycotting.
00:06:53.000 We're creating solutions.
00:06:54.000 And today, again, was a big win toward that aim.
00:06:58.000 So, Michael, you had a challenging week in some ways.
00:07:00.000 I mean, you and I privately dialogue a lot, but are you comfortable sharing some of it?
00:07:05.000 Because there was some really unusual stuff happening.
00:07:08.000 I mean, obviously, you share what you're comfortable with, but you had an interesting week.
00:07:12.000 Share what you can.
00:07:14.000 Yeah, I think it's important for people to realize that the devil wears a suit and tie.
00:07:18.000 And we met him this week on Wall Street.
00:07:21.000 There are a lot of powerful people that did not want us to succeed.
00:07:24.000 In fact, they went above and beyond to try to stop this deal from closing.
00:07:28.000 We were lied to.
00:07:29.000 We were manipulated.
00:07:30.000 We were told by people that we're supposed to trust that they would have our back into the clothes.
00:07:36.000 And they let us wrong every time.
00:07:38.000 And so we had to rely on our faith in God.
00:07:40.000 We had to rely on our friends and our close partners that we did know that we could trust.
00:07:44.000 And ultimately, at the end of the day, a lot of these arbitrage funds that are set up purely to make a quick buck on deals like this, thank God, a lot of them are gone.
00:07:55.000 And while they did lie to us and manipulate us, we saw right through it.
00:07:58.000 They tried to push us into these manipulative financial structures that would have required us to be beholden to their agenda for the coming months and would have kept us strapped for cash and really needing their hand in order to succeed.
00:08:12.000 And we just said no.
00:08:13.000 We said we're not going to negotiate with these people that do not want the best for our company.
00:08:17.000 So I'm proud to say today that we are a company by the people, for the people, and owned by we the people.
00:08:22.000 We answer to no one on Wall Street.
00:08:24.000 We answer to the people.
00:08:25.000 Those are our consumers.
00:08:26.000 Those are our businesses.
00:08:27.000 And those are not the folks that lie and manipulate to try to get quick gain.
00:08:31.000 That is a small group of people that run a lot of institutions in this country, but they've been sent a clear message today.
00:08:38.000 And we're going to continue sending this clear message that we're not down to do business that way.
00:08:42.000 We're going to run this business with integrity, with excellence, and we're going to be honest about exactly what we're trying to do, exactly who we're trying to reach.
00:08:49.000 And Charlie, I'm really grateful as I saw the banner with Public Squares logo draped over the stock exchange today.
00:08:56.000 I was reminded of just how hard of a battle we fought to get here, but how big of a win that this is.
00:09:02.000 And I know that there are many more mountains to conquer and challenges to overcome.
00:09:06.000 I'm so confident that with the help of we the people, we'll do it.
00:09:09.000 Yeah, and this is why I'm an investor in the company.
00:09:12.000 And so, Michael, I just want to reiterate: is it fair to say that there are some big firms that were acting more ideologically than even in profit motive towards you in the last week that were willing to lose money because what we could only assume is that they wanted to try to stunt or short-circuit the launch of the patriot economy.
00:09:36.000 Michael Seifert.
00:09:37.000 That's exactly right.
00:09:38.000 I mean, when I touched on some of the lying and the manipulation, that's what we experienced.
00:09:42.000 We experienced people willingly choosing to sell when they could have made more by redeeming in the SPAC process in order to kind of push us into a corner.
00:09:54.000 And we weren't sure why it was happening.
00:09:56.000 And it was just such a mess to witness.
00:09:58.000 And we heard from a lot of these folks that, hey, this might have quite a bit to do with your mission.
00:10:03.000 You guys are coming out here onto Wall Street.
00:10:05.000 And by the way, Charlie, just the day before, we had launched a pro-life diaper company and they definitely do not like the pro-life cause.
00:10:12.000 And so there was just this pent up sort of anger from these institutions about what we're trying to do here.
00:10:18.000 And I'm going to tell you something really sad.
00:10:20.000 Charlie, some of these firms have been run by people that claim that they're conservative.
00:10:25.000 And that's the most devastating part of this process is that, you know, we always complain about George Soros on the left and all these people, but at least those people are willing to prioritize their ideology and are willing to fight for their side with their capital.
00:10:41.000 Our side, you know, we have some people that claim to be conservatives, but they just stab each other in the back and they don't love a mission if they can't control it.
00:10:50.000 And, you know, that's a really disastrous reality of the movement that we have to fight back against.
00:10:55.000 And again, I know we can.
00:10:57.000 I know we will.
00:10:58.000 And ultimately, I know that the people are on our side.
00:11:01.000 People are tired of being told what to do by a few major institutions.
00:11:04.000 And we're really glad to represent their voice today.
00:11:06.000 Not easy, but I want to celebrate you, Michael.
00:11:08.000 You've been an entrepreneur and we have so many mutual friends.
00:11:11.000 When I first heard about Michael, it was from the great pastor Jürgen, Awakened Church, and he was bragging on Public Square and bragging on the vision and bragging on what you guys can do.
00:11:20.000 And we're starting to see, you know, we have Rumble, we have Strive, we have Public Square.
00:11:26.000 We have these really amazing alternatives.
00:11:29.000 And if you're interested at all, it is PSQH.
00:11:35.000 The Patriot Economy is officially here.
00:11:39.000 Michael, talk more broadly.
00:11:40.000 This has been a very interesting summer kind of in the corporate warfare space.
00:11:43.000 A lot of boycotts, stocks all over the place.
00:11:45.000 You guys are building reliable, durable businesses and navigational tools for the everyday people.
00:11:50.000 Your Public Square app is unbelievable.
00:11:52.000 Walk us just through some of the numbers that you guys have.
00:11:55.000 It's really incredible of users and businesses, and you've split it up in a relatively short period of time.
00:12:00.000 Michael.
00:12:01.000 Well, Charlie, I'll tell you this.
00:12:02.000 One of the unfortunate realities, obviously, of being a public company is just that we have to be very by the book when it comes to what we're disclosing and what we're not and all of that.
00:12:12.000 So the last we've publicly disclosed numbers was end of June.
00:12:15.000 But obviously the platforms continue to grow.
00:12:17.000 But as of the end of June, we've had over 1.1 million consumer members join the platform, over 55,000 business vendors.
00:12:23.000 And it's been incredible to witness the reception we've had.
00:12:26.000 What I will tell you, though, is that even while the growth has been tremendous and we hit a million members faster than I ever thought we could, and then flew past that, one thing that's pretty neat is that I was just talking to a guy yesterday who I could have sworn would have heard about Public Square before.
00:12:41.000 He's as conservative as they come, loves the country, loves to make sure that he's shopping his values.
00:12:45.000 And he's like, wait, what is this?
00:12:46.000 I've never heard of this.
00:12:47.000 And so it's pretty cool for us, all those aha moments that we still get to see that remind us how early we truly are.
00:12:53.000 And so, you know, even on Twitter this morning, our stock ticker was trending, PSQH, on the New York Stock Exchange.
00:12:58.000 And to see all these comments of people saying, I've never heard of this.
00:13:01.000 This is so neat.
00:13:02.000 I think it points to this deeper desire people have right now for opportunities to shop their values in a parallel economy that's focused on the love for country, meritocracy, excellence, quality of products, because that's been so lacking.
00:13:15.000 You mentioned the drop of market cap from some of these other companies.
00:13:18.000 Over $50 billion eviscerated just in the last few months from Target, Anheuser-Busch, Disney.
00:13:24.000 By the way, Ben and Jerry's recently joined into that crew as well with a $2.5 billion drop in market cap just the week after July 4th when they claimed that July 4th should be dedicated to remembering Indigenous land.
00:13:35.000 But I think the big news of the day here for us is that people are filled with hope.
00:13:39.000 Like we haven't given up.
00:13:41.000 We're pushing back.
00:13:42.000 And the growth of our platform speaks to that.
00:13:45.000 It's really incredible.
00:13:46.000 And just talk about, you know, the diaper company.
00:13:48.000 You guys are going to be getting into durable assets that then can compete in multiple different verticals.
00:13:55.000 Speak to that, Michael.
00:13:57.000 Well, that's part of the business model long term is that we would have a lot of information about what our consumers are looking for.
00:14:02.000 So they reach out every day and they say, hey, I really want product X.
00:14:05.000 And for most all of life's needs, we have an awesome values aligned representative of product X that joins the platform and showcases their products.
00:14:13.000 But for a few key industries, there are no alternatives that love the country, love life, family values.
00:14:20.000 So what we actually get to go do is create those products with an excellent team that leads the demonstration of these products and then sell them within our own marketplace.
00:14:29.000 And we did that for the first time this past week with the launch of a company called EveryLife.
00:14:34.000 It is America's first and only major pro-life diaper company because unfortunately, all the other incumbents in this space are pro-abortion, which makes no sense.
00:14:43.000 Like Hello Bello to donate to abortion for their employees is completely backwards.
00:14:48.000 But that's where the industry is today.
00:14:50.000 So moms need a pro-life alternative that they know will support the values that are important to their family and ultimately lead to the flourishing of society more broadly.
00:14:59.000 And we did that with EveryLife at everylife.com last week.
00:15:01.000 And then we're going to do that again with more products into the future because we want to make sure that for, again, all of life's daily purchases, there's an opportunity to support a company that you know you can feel proud to back.
00:15:12.000 And that's our goal here, Charlie.
00:15:14.000 It stretches far beyond just the central marketplace exchange.
00:15:17.000 And it looks like D2C products, durable products, B2B products.
00:15:21.000 And we're grateful that we've got a lot of team members that are rallying around us from these other major industry players, leaving those entities coming to join us saying, I'd rather build here.
00:15:30.000 Michael, you're doing a great job.
00:15:32.000 God bless you.
00:15:33.000 And just Michael, can you 30 seconds?
00:15:35.000 People are saying they can't find the stock on their Schwab or their Robinhood.
00:15:38.000 It takes, there's a, there's a lag time, isn't there, to get the shares issued.
00:15:41.000 Can you explain that?
00:15:43.000 Yep, that's exactly right.
00:15:44.000 For some folks, they're having a greater ease finding it on Schwab.
00:15:47.000 Robin Hood was a little delayed today getting the ticker to change.
00:15:50.000 I'm not sure why, but we just got word that Robin Hood should be live, PSQH.
00:15:55.000 So, yeah, it was an interesting morning, Charlie.
00:15:57.000 Not a lot of media wanted to cover what we were doing, even though it was the most popular SPAC of the last decade in terms of the opening here.
00:16:04.000 So I don't quite know what's going on, but what I will tell you is that you should see it represented.
00:16:10.000 And if you don't, please call your broker.
00:16:12.000 We want to make sure that people have access to this if they choose to buy it.
00:16:16.000 Not asking you to, but if you'd like to, you deserve access to.
00:16:19.000 And so we hope that a lot of these issues get sorted out.
00:16:22.000 Unfortunately, a lot of them are out of our control.
00:16:24.000 These are issues with these different platforms themselves.
00:16:28.000 But we're going to keep pushing back, and we hope that more people will join us along the journey.
00:16:32.000 Yeah, probably just a coincidence.
00:16:34.000 Michael, thanks so much.
00:16:36.000 Thanks, Charlie.
00:16:37.000 Appreciate the time.
00:16:41.000 Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.
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00:17:45.000 Okay, before we get to the great Julie Kelly, so much to explain, explore with her, but I have to do this.
00:17:51.000 So you might remember on this program, you know, we made some pretty bold predictions.
00:17:54.000 We said, look, we know the grassroots.
00:17:56.000 We talked to the grassroots.
00:17:57.000 We had 7,000 people at our event at the Turning Point Action Conference, right?
00:18:00.000 Millions of people watching online.
00:18:02.000 We made a bold proclamation, and I was attacked by influencers and experts and prognosticators and consultants when I said that Vivek Ramaswamy is going to move into second place in the presidential race.
00:18:13.000 And people said, you have no idea what you're talking about.
00:18:14.000 And these are people that stare at screens all day long.
00:18:16.000 They don't talk to human beings.
00:18:17.000 I said, I don't know.
00:18:18.000 You know, you ignore turning point action at your own peril.
00:18:21.000 Well, a new poll comes out by Kaplan Strategies, Doug Kaplan, and shows that Donald Trump has 48% in the Republican primary.
00:18:28.000 Vivek Ramaswamy is tied with Ron DeSantis, 12% to 12%.
00:18:32.000 It's amazing.
00:18:33.000 When you don't stare at screens all day long and you talk to human beings, the actual grassroots that make the party happen, you tend to have insight that these other ivory tower intellectuals do not.
00:18:44.000 And so it's hard to say that Ron DeSantis' presidential campaign is going well.
00:18:48.000 The governor of Florida, who's been a great governor, is tied with Vivek Ramaswamy that started with zero name ID.
00:18:55.000 Goes to show the power, I think, of turning point action and the 7,000 people we had in the room.
00:19:00.000 And DeSantis did not attend.
00:19:01.000 Vivek did, and he is benefiting from it.
00:19:04.000 Shifting gears, Julie Kelly is with us.
00:19:06.000 Julie, thank you for making time.
00:19:08.000 So many different topics here that I want to cover.
00:19:12.000 Let's start with a tweet that you sent about Bill Barr.
00:19:16.000 And it was Miranda Devine.
00:19:18.000 She says, as more info comes to light from whistleblower or from whistleblowers or his prize out of the bowels of the FBI, you have to ask, what was the Trump DOJ doing with Biden?
00:19:26.000 Corruption allegations were flooding in.
00:19:28.000 This is an excellent point that I've been trying to pinpoint here on this program that interestingly enough, the Democrats you're using as a talking point where they said, well, a lot of this was happening under the Trump administration, not under the Biden administration.
00:19:41.000 Julie Kelly, how should we think about this?
00:19:43.000 Deep state, the floor is yours.
00:19:46.000 Critical of Bil Bar now for years, but especially recently, as all of this information is coming out uh, related to the unsecure uneffective, uh politically charged investigation from the U.s attorney in Delaware into Hunter Biden.
00:20:06.000 Now, that was just his tax crimes, but the underlying crime there Charlie, is that Hunter Biden and his father now it looks like were acting as we would say, foreign lobbyists unregistered foreign lobbyists.
00:20:20.000 We know a lot of Trump people have gotten in trouble for that, but while Joe Biden was president, we know for a fact that Hunter Biden was collecting millions of dollars from um corrupt nations like Ukraine, from hostile states like China and Russia.
00:20:37.000 And what came out today Charlie?
00:20:39.000 Not just you know more evidence of the whistleblower testimony yesterday, how the tax issue, tax investigation was buried, but also now all of this evidence that the DOJ and FBI had, which was released today, this FBI form that documents information from confidential human sources, also known as informants.
00:21:00.000 That seems to prove what Republicans and Donald Trump himself and others have alleged for years, and that is that Joe Biden and his son Hunter, were on the take while Joe Biden was vice president.
00:21:13.000 Uh, from this Barisma, the owner of Barisma, the Ukrainian energy company that hired Hunter Biden in 2014 to serve as a board member.
00:21:22.000 Well, of course, we know that that's not true.
00:21:25.000 This was just a way to funnel millions of dollars to the Biden family, including the vice president, and this is what this um FBI form that was released by Charles Grassley today uh, seems to prove once and for all.
00:21:39.000 Yeah, and so Chuck Grassley just released the FBI confidential human source document that was so important to keep secret.
00:21:46.000 And Julie, I do this for a living.
00:21:48.000 I I read news 12 to 14 hours a day extensively.
00:21:52.000 I probably read 300 articles a day and I cannot even keep track of whistleblower here and confidential here, and Romania and Russia and Ukraine and Burisma and Kyiv, I mean it's, it's almost so widespread it's hard to believe.
00:22:08.000 It's almost a.
00:22:10.000 You have like a default skepticism by volume.
00:22:13.000 Right Julie, it there's so much you don't believe that it could potentially be true.
00:22:18.000 That's exactly right, Charlie.
00:22:19.000 I mean, you and I are professionals at this and even going through now, we've heard about this, what's called an Fd 1023, this form that documented what this confidential human source was hearing from the owner of Barisma himself, who apparently paid five million dollars to Hunter Biden five million dollars to Joe Biden also.
00:22:38.000 He references him as the big guy in this form, which we know was the nickname commonly used to Uh to disguise Joe Biden's identity in a lot of these communications.
00:22:49.000 So it's just shocking it it.
00:22:52.000 It's shocking and it's so frustrating because things like this were coming out when Donald Trump Was the president, when you had Attorney General Bill Barr, who, I think, snookered a lot of us early on, Charlie, probably you, certainly me, things that he was saying about Russia Gate that he was going to investigate not just the origins of Crossfire Hurricane, but what happened between November of 2016 and Inauguration Day, when Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Jim Comey,
00:23:20.000 Jim Clapper, John Brennan, and Lisa Monaco, our new, our now deputy attorney general, was formulating, was really accelerating the Russia-Trump election collusion hoax, trying to undermine and disable, derail Trump's presidency.
00:23:36.000 He did none of it.
00:23:38.000 And so this is what, and Charlie, I believe that he said he knew of the existence of this form and that he made sure that David Weiss, the DC, excuse me, the U.S. attorney in Delaware, had this form.
00:23:48.000 Now, there's some discrepancy as to whether there are investigators who said they never saw it.
00:23:53.000 Bill Barr saw this in the summer of 2020.
00:23:57.000 What the hell was he doing?
00:23:58.000 Why did he refuse to appoint a special counsel looking into Hunter Biden?
00:24:05.000 He publicly said he would not appoint a special counsel.
00:24:09.000 Why did he allow this to continue and for the American people in 2020 to continue to be deceived and misled by Donald Trump's own top officials, Department of Justice officials?
00:24:23.000 That there was nothing to see here when it came to this Biden crime family racket that spanned the globe for years.
00:24:32.000 Yeah, so Julie, this is an infinitely deep topic.
00:24:36.000 And it's the document has the burisma CFO says they put Hunter on their board because they could protect us, though, his dad, from all kinds of problems, which obviously we knew.
00:24:50.000 Reminder that the insanely dishonest press pushed the lie that Hunter was world class as an anti-corruption expert when he's literally just a drug-addicted, whoremongering loser.
00:25:02.000 And so, and of course, he was a corruption expert because he was corrupt as the day is long.
00:25:08.000 But there was this one congressman yesterday who I don't know.
00:25:12.000 I was watching the hearing in between breaks, and he was asking, you know, the whistleblower X and Shapley or Shipley.
00:25:20.000 He said, well, wasn't all of this under Trump?
00:25:22.000 Wasn't all this under Trump?
00:25:23.000 Who was president?
00:25:23.000 Who was president?
00:25:24.000 And that was kind of a repeated narrative from what I understand in the hearing.
00:25:27.000 And the Democrats aren't wrong, but they're also proving that there's a deeper administrative state here that goes beyond.
00:25:34.000 And it really kind of goes to show that Donald Trump was never actually in control of several parts of the American government, despite being president of the United States.
00:25:43.000 Julie Kelly.
00:25:45.000 That's exactly right, Charlie.
00:25:46.000 And it is frustrating, but look, you also have to assign blame to Donald Trump himself.
00:25:51.000 He recognized, especially in 2019, how corrupt and ineffective and partisan Christopher Wray was.
00:25:58.000 There reports that Donald Trump told Attorney General Bilbar in early 2020 that he planned to fire Christopher Wray.
00:26:05.000 Apparently, Bilbar told Donald Trump if he did that, he would resign.
00:26:09.000 Well, right then and there, he should have fired both of them, but he didn't.
00:26:14.000 And then when Bilbar undermined him during the riots and really undermined worked with the defense secretary at that time, Mark Milley, to undermine Donald Trump if he planned to invoke the Insurrection Act, you remember all of that drama.
00:26:29.000 There are multiple occasions where Donald Trump should have fired Christopher Wright, should have fired Bill Barr, should have fired every single U.S. attorney, should have installed somebody who would have appointed special counsel on many of these topics, many of these scandals, but he didn't.
00:26:46.000 And that's why Bill Barr needs to answer.
00:26:48.000 And that was the crux of my tweet, not only for what his knowledge was of what this confidential human source was telling the FBI, all of what we're learning about Hunter Biden, not just his tax crimes.
00:27:01.000 Again, now keep in mind, Charlie, one of the tax crimes that Hunter Biden is accused of is in 2014, failing to report $400,000 that he got from Barisma.
00:27:13.000 As you know, in 2014 is when Barisma hired Hunter Biden.
00:27:18.000 to be on his board.
00:27:19.000 That very year, 2014, he didn't put it on his tax returns.
00:27:24.000 He didn't put it on in 2015.
00:27:26.000 And that's why DC U.S. Attorney Matthew Graves, the Biden appointee, who now we know from whistleblowers, when presented with this information last year, also declined to prosecute Hunter Biden.
00:27:36.000 But this all goes back to Bill Barr.
00:27:38.000 He needs to sit before Congress, either House Judiciary or weaponization or oversight.
00:27:43.000 He has all this time to go on Fox News, Charlie.
00:27:45.000 It's time for him to go before Congress under oath and explain not just this, what he did during the summer riots, and more importantly, the Whitmer fed napping hoax.
00:27:56.000 I'd like to know what he knew and when he knew it.
00:28:00.000 So Julie, stay right there.
00:28:02.000 And I have to just say that the Shakespearean tragedy of the first Trump term is people that were put in positions of power and said, you can trust me, Mr. President, ended up doing the Brutus Cassius thing, A2 Brute.
00:28:19.000 And it was like multiple stabbings from every direction.
00:28:22.000 Bill Barr and Amarosa and John Bolton.
00:28:25.000 It was from every possible direction repeatedly.
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00:29:36.000 So Julie, about a month and a half, two months ago, you came on this program, so clearly said that Donald Trump will be indicted on federal charges.
00:29:44.000 You were one of the people that just said it so bluntly and you're being proven right, not just on the document thing.
00:29:49.000 But what do you think we can expect on this Jack Smith looming indictment?
00:29:53.000 And do you think that the Michigan elector dynamic is part of an interlocked strategy here by the feds?
00:30:02.000 Yes, I do.
00:30:03.000 So what you're referring to is state attorney general Dana Nessel, who charged, I believe, 14 individuals, most of them senior citizens, by the way, for this fake electoral scheme.
00:30:15.000 Now, Charlie, let's talk about this really quick.
00:30:17.000 It's very confusing, but it was basically a PR political stunt.
00:30:21.000 It was basically people who got together who were electors and they put together these false or fake certifications that if something happened with the Electoral College vote, as that kind of intensity was gathering, that something might actually happen, which of course led to the events of January 6th, that there would be these alternative slate of electors.
00:30:45.000 It was nothing legitimate, and it certainly was nothing criminal.
00:30:48.000 What could be criminal about it?
00:30:50.000 Well, what Dana Nessel, and it looks like Jack Smith could do this too, is charge them with some sort of fraud or conspiring to commit fraud.
00:30:59.000 Could be mail fraud or wire fraud.
00:31:01.000 Some of these were sent to the National Archives.
00:31:03.000 It's a joke.
00:31:04.000 And this has been done before.
00:31:06.000 Charlie, you might recall in 2016, there was a very public and powerful effort to get Trump electors to flip and instead vote for Hillary Clinton.
00:31:17.000 This came from the very top echelons of Hillary Clinton's own campaign, including John Podesta.
00:31:22.000 There was a whole organization put together media campaign to put pressure on some of these electors who were getting death threats because of this.
00:31:31.000 So now you've got a bunch of baby boomers in some room in Michigan putting together pretend electoral certification letters.
00:31:42.000 And Dana Nessel, the attorney general for the state of Michigan, is now going to prosecute them.
00:31:47.000 So yes, you're exactly right.
00:31:48.000 This is all tied together.
00:31:50.000 It's lawfare and it's also optics.
00:31:53.000 But back to what you were saying, yes, I predicted for over a year that the DOJ and then special counsel Jack Smith, who was appointed in November, would bring a multi-felony count criminal indictment against Donald Trump and others for their alleged role in the events of January 6th.
00:32:10.000 Donald Trump confirmed on Truth Social this week that he had received a target letter from Jack Smith.
00:32:16.000 And you and I have discussed some of the possible charges, but this poses perhaps the greatest legal risk and jeopardy for the former president.
00:32:25.000 Classified documents case, and I'm following that as well in southern Florida, is far flimsier and far less convincing and will take place in a far less friendly jurisdiction venue than Washington, D.C.
00:32:39.000 But this is going to be a real problem for Donald Trump and whoever else is indicted as co-conspirators.
00:32:45.000 So, yeah, so Julie, if you were to speculate, who else do you think would be charged and for what?
00:32:50.000 If you were just to kind of guess who's on the potential drawing board here.
00:32:55.000 So first, let me say any conspiracy charges, and DOJ is very conspiracy charge happy.
00:33:01.000 So any conspiracy charge would require the defendant to have a co-conspirator, at least one, perhaps many.
00:33:09.000 So we already know that they've been looking at Rudy Giuliani, that they've been investigating people like John Eastman, people like Jeffrey Clark, who was the acting deputy attorney general on January 6th.
00:33:22.000 It could be Trump White House officials.
00:33:24.000 It could be members of Congress.
00:33:27.000 This DOJ is so out of control, so vengeful, and so unaccountable by judges and anyone else that they know they can get away with bringing charges with little to no evidence against anyone that they choose, especially Charlie, when it happens in the District of Columbia, which is where all these January 6th, more than a thousand criminal cases have been prosecuted.
00:33:49.000 And this is where the charges, the grand jury indictment, all the court proceedings, and the trial will take place.
00:33:54.000 A city that voted 93% for Joe Biden.
00:33:58.000 It's unbelievable.
00:33:59.000 They should request a venue change.
00:34:01.000 They're going to get denied by these judges.
00:34:03.000 You cannot have fair justice as an outspoken conservative.
00:34:07.000 You cannot.
00:34:07.000 The entire jury pool is infected.
00:34:10.000 And by the way, this is how ridiculous it is.
00:34:13.000 It's just if there was a Democrat that was on trial in Midland, Texas, they'd be like, oh, it's not fair.
00:34:18.000 And they would get the trial moved.
00:34:19.000 It's zip code justice.
00:34:21.000 It's a bad development.
00:34:22.000 Julie, you've been on top of the game.
00:34:24.000 I think we're going to see an indictment very soon.
00:34:26.000 I'll be curious to see who the alleged co-conspirators are.
00:34:29.000 But this alternate elector thing is a big deal as far as what they're trying to do here.
00:34:34.000 Julie, thank you so much.
00:34:35.000 Great job.
00:34:36.000 Thanks, Charlie.
00:34:39.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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