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00:01:09.000All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:01:11.000It's the day after what was largely a very lackluster, I would say dispiriting evening.
00:02:00.000Okay, listen, there was actually a few maybe bright spots, one extraordinarily bright spot, and that was here in Mesa, Arizona.
00:02:06.000And the Turning Point Action team led the charge on that.
00:02:09.000The grassroots rose up and ousted in a really difficult scenario, Spilsbury, who was the Republicans for Kamala leader in the state of Arizona.
00:02:21.000So Tyler Boyer, why don't you tell us the backstory there?
00:02:24.000Yeah, I mean, this is covered by the New York Times.
00:02:28.000I'm dropping in the chat if we want to throw it up.
00:02:35.000So essentially what happened was the face of Republicans for Kamala.
00:02:41.000So you want to talk about Soros-type funded ventures?
00:02:46.000You had this entire mind F, whatever you want to call it, that happened in 2020 and 2024, where they funded these fake Republicans for Biden and then Republican later became Republicans for Harris or conservatives for Harris and all the key swing states.
00:03:04.000So the face of this organization in many ways was the mayor of Mesa, Arizona.
00:03:11.000He got termed out and so was done this last year.
00:03:14.000And his former vice mayor, Julie Spilsberry, who both were LDS, both were Mormon, and they were running as the face of this national operation that was abandon Trump if you're Republican and vote against him in 2024.
00:03:37.000She was on advertisements, you know, with espousing her elected position, that she should be trusted.
00:03:45.000And this is like Alinsky Tactics 101 is use all these things to try to persuade kind of the more feeble voter, the people that don't know as much going on and saying, oh, everybody's voting against Trump, and so therefore I should too.
00:04:03.000So what are the lessons here from this local race that we can extrapolate to the national scene?
00:04:09.000So this is the heart of the, I mean, these types of psyops, some people call them, these type of things that happen within politics are at the heart of how they control the narrative around these elections.
00:04:24.000So we ran, or we didn't run it, the grassroots ran it.
00:04:28.000We supported it fully was removing this person from office.
00:04:32.000To recall or remove someone from office is one of the most difficult things that you can do within politics.
00:04:37.000But this is so important to do when people try to run these type of operations.
00:05:14.000So Phoenix, Mesa is usually how it's referred to, is the most conservative out of the big metro areas.
00:05:20.000So this is like target number one for the Democrats to topple.
00:05:23.000The Democrats want to turn Maricopa County blue for obvious reasons.
00:05:27.000We all know all the hanky-panky that's gone on with elections and everything else.
00:05:32.000That's getting somewhat corrected, not fully as we'd like, but getting in there.
00:05:37.000This is the target, prime target number one.
00:05:40.000And so this is why they choose people like this to lead the face of these type of operations.
00:05:45.000And this is why it's so important to remove these people from office because it's the heart of it.
00:05:49.000They would recruit a Mormon to do this too.
00:05:51.000So I just want to like, I want to crystallize this for everybody.
00:05:55.000This is a recall election where it's an R versus an R. That's the toughest type of election to educate a population that's kind of checked out.
00:07:36.000Calling everybody, like harassing everybody on the team, trying to make this a national referendum because what they were hoping was that we were going to fail and that Julie Spilsberry was going to be re-elected and we're going to see, oh, this is another referendum on Trump.
00:08:04.000We're going to be a voice for the grassroots and muscular class.
00:08:06.000We're not going to let this just go unnoticed and unresolved here.
00:08:11.000So we're, yeah, of course, we're going to support the grassroots.
00:08:13.000And of course, this is also, this is, I mean, this is, Charlie cared a lot about making Phoenix and Arizona as conservative, as Republican as possible.
00:08:23.000Well, you have to, dude, look at how they react.
00:08:24.000Politico has a headline a few days ago.
00:08:26.000This is like the first test of Turning Point as an actual muscle in politics.
00:08:32.000You have to, Blake, in order just to flip the state.
00:08:35.000Because if as Phoenix goes, the Phoenix metropolitan area goes, Arizona goes.
00:08:39.000As Arizona goes, statistically, the presidency goes.
00:08:43.000Yeah, and also when people don't realize this is that these things are so critical because if you lose them, it gives it emboldens the left to spend millions more dollars in your swing state to win the next big election.
00:08:57.000Today, the Democrats woke up going, wow, they mean business.
00:09:02.000Maybe we shouldn't invest the millions more dollars into that state next election cycle because it's not worth it.
00:09:07.000We need to come up with a different strategy to win in 2028.
00:09:10.000That is exactly what we want them to do.
00:09:13.000Well, if you run the models, it's like, what is it, like 70% of the Democrat models to win a nationwide presidential race go through Arizona?
00:09:20.000So if you break the back of the Democrat Party in this state, you demoralize them and you let them know, like, hey, there's a new sheriff in town.
00:09:28.000We're not going to be messed with, and we're going to pour a ton of resources and manpower into this state.
00:09:49.000I think we should share some of these videos.
00:09:50.000Yeah, well, it's going to be pretty great.
00:09:54.000Yeah, we could do, let's go 290, 290, real quick.
00:09:57.000Yeah, look, people are always saying that they wish they had better candidates that would run for office.
00:10:04.000I don't think that's true because when good people run for office just because I want to serve my community, and then this is what happens to me, why would anyone want to run when you have groups like Turning Point that can go out there and put up thousands of signs?
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00:11:53.000And the recall would never have been successful without Turning Point's employees, over 30 of them out knocking doors that are not from Mesa.
00:12:07.000She was trying to tell all her friends that, you know, I'm a good person and why is Tyler going out?
00:12:14.000We had all of these people that were knocking doors are all our Arizonans.
00:12:18.000We've got dozens of staff hired and hired up for Mesa, not just for the Mesa recall, but also for the upcoming SRP and Andy Biggs election.
00:12:28.000And so, but I mean, you can't have a better ad than that.
00:12:30.000The vast majority of the libs saying turning point's too big and they know what they're doing too well.
00:14:07.000It wasn't just so they gained seats in the legislature, including the special election that was decided by 13 votes where our team had actually done ballot chasing initiatives.
00:14:19.000So the biggest city in New Hampshire is Manchester.
00:14:22.000It's not the capital, but it's the biggest city.
00:14:25.000And a conservative won the mayor race yesterday that was there for Manchester, which is a huge deal.
00:14:35.000When you look at the rest of the country, where we had every, I mean, a lot of these big cities, you don't even have a Republican running for a mayor.
00:14:45.000And again, the pathway to 2028 directly goes through Arizona and New Hampshire.
00:14:51.000Well, and that's, that's, I want to give people a little bit of a sense of where this is going.
00:14:56.000We are, and I mentioned this last night on the stream, but for those listening now, there is a, I see this on X a lot where they're like, you got to get into this race.
00:15:05.000And why isn't Turning Point coming out here earlier?
00:15:06.000And why isn't, listen, if somebody wants to fund something, that's one thing.
00:15:12.000But we have a disconnect with our donor class of what they're willing to invest money in.
00:15:16.000So for example, we had people in New Jersey.
00:15:27.000Like, for example, us flipping Arizona last year.
00:15:30.000This was not, we had some super chase events.
00:15:33.000This was, we had full-time staffers handling quite small geographical areas, knocking on doors regularly, knocking on doors repeatedly, following up, getting to know, building the relationships in all these local areas.
00:15:47.000Well, that is bluntly not a cheap thing to do.
00:16:00.000It just breaks down to how many votes exist out there that are low propensity, are enough chaseable to win, and how many bodies do you need to cover those bodies.
00:16:08.000Just so you know, we had, I mean, I don't want to give away the inside scoop here, but yeah, there's a very small population that you put a staffer on.
00:16:18.000Like, I think there's this tendency in, and you see this on X, after Charlie's assassination to sort of like think, oh, turning points like so gargantuan that we can be in all 50 states.
00:16:35.000And he would focus turning points' attention, and that's what we're doing.
00:16:38.000We are very focused on building a red wall that can literally make their models have to go into very unfavorable territory in 2026 and 2028.
00:16:48.000And I'll say this real quick, Andrew, is that you have to have enough time to build it, and you have to put the resources down in order to build it.
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00:18:12.000And I go back to something we talked about with Rich Barris last week.
00:18:17.000And basically, the polling shows something that we need to confront and be very aware of and be honest about.
00:18:24.000And that is that a lot of people believe that the things that President Trump were elected on, namely the economy, immigration, energy prices, the affordability crisis, those things are not being addressed.
00:18:39.000They feel like the Republicans that were elected in November are focusing too much on foreign policy affairs.
00:18:46.000Their attention is not on the domestic issues.
00:19:20.000This is a map of Virginia, and every single county moved to the left.
00:19:24.000There's not one red arrow on that county.
00:19:27.000And what's happening is you're getting a lot of normie sort of working class, ethnic minority voters that said, hey, Trump's good at making me money.
00:19:35.000I had more money in my pocket when President Trump was president the first time, who just come out to the polls because they thought, hey, I'm poor now.
00:19:43.000I'm going to give the other guy a shot.
00:19:50.000We have to do these big, audacious, crazy, you know, policies where, you know, I mentioned to Rich Barris, we need a Hoover Dam.
00:19:59.000Obviously, we're not going to be building a dam in 2025, but we need these big visual markers to say, hey, we're breaking ground on this big thing.
00:20:11.000And again, a lot of this is going to be low propensity, normie people that are not checked into the political process every day, like a lot of you that are watching this show, a lot of us that follow this every day.
00:20:22.000They need big wins that make them feel a certain way, that make them feel like the politicians they elected to office and to power are doing the work that they elected them to do.
00:20:38.000There's too much focus on these external affairs.
00:20:40.000The only one of the domestic policy fronts that President Trump is scoring high on right now is immigration.
00:20:47.000So, yes, that becomes an animating issue for the left, but ultimately, people, the majority of people, are still happy that the border is not overrun by illegals.
00:20:56.000Well, and keep in mind, Andrew, so off-election cycle elections, so non-traditional.
00:22:19.000This would be ballot chasers on the left.
00:22:22.000So here's the pairing of these two nodes.
00:22:26.000You've got to have the infrastructure to drive low propensity voters out, but you also have to have policy wins and candidates that inspire enthusiasm.
00:23:17.000So you have to pair up enthusiasm with ground game.
00:23:20.000And when they have 6,000 job postings on the Democrat side to get out ground game and knock on doors, that is a heck of a mountain to climb when you're a conservatives with a low-prop voting base in an off-year election, okay?
00:23:34.000So the point is this: focus on domestic, focus on policy wins.
00:23:40.000You have to show, tell, and reveal to the audience the things that you're doing for them to make their lives easier and better to make them richer.
00:23:49.000And then finally, you have to build the infrastructure.
00:24:41.000When he ran, he won because the moms showed up big time.
00:24:47.000Because if you remember, the enthusiasm is the point.
00:24:49.000So the enthusiasm wave that he wrote on was, remember, there was this entire scuffle that was happening across the state of Virginia where parents were showing up to school board meetings, and that gave them the wave, the enthusiasm lift for him to win.
00:25:14.000So this, again, this is Jay Jones, who proudly fetishizes, killing his political opponents, doubles down even when the person on the other end of the text is telling him that they're uncomfortable with the way he's talking.
00:25:35.000If you have a 20 plus percent, and in a lot of cases, it's more than 20 percent, a 20 to 30 percent differential on candidates for females.
00:25:45.000So the left, they're voting for leftists by 20 to 30 points in addition.
00:25:51.000And then our males, you saw the numbers, our men are not matching the numbers.
00:25:55.000Are they not matching the same numbers, but it's close.
00:25:59.000Men are voting for the Republicans by 15 to 20 points.
00:26:07.000If fewer men show up to vote and more women show up to vote, then they have a dramatic differential in that.
00:26:16.000So again, a presidential, you have about the same amount of men and women who show up to vote.
00:26:22.000In an off-election year, you have a lot more women potentially show up to vote.
00:26:27.000I don't have the data in front of me for Virginia, but I can just tell you right now by the outcome is that a lot more women showed up to vote than men.
00:26:36.000And because of that differential, you're going to lose every single day.
00:27:28.000I mean, I don't want to spill too many beans here, but there were at least three instances where Charlie called the administration and said, all the gains that we saw in that election with young people, you guys are jeopardizing them.
00:30:38.000It was a night where the coalition came together, a coalition that we built on working people, even some union people, blacks, Hispanics came out.
00:30:47.000By the way, that was a number that was shocking out of New Jersey last night.
00:30:51.000The Hispanic vote fell off a cliff, too.
00:30:54.000You should worry about that one because that giant house redraw they just did in Texas was based on we're better with Hispanics now so we can do this.
00:31:02.000If they swerve back to being really blue, instead of we pick up five seats in Texas, this could be we lose 10 seats in Texas.
00:31:09.000Well, I'll just say this is that it's again, you're talking low propensity voters, right?
00:31:14.000So You don't want to infer too much off of a non-traditional election, a midterm or a presidential.
00:31:23.000But what you do want to do is look at the hard numbers and say, did these people turn out?
00:31:33.000Now, to your point, if we look at the data and it shows these people turned out and you lose the election, that's saying something.
00:31:40.000This is why looking at the data at census block level, at precinct level, is really important.
00:31:46.000Because if you're targeting with full-time staff, the right voters with the right people, you know, and geographically, demographically, then you get a better outcome.
00:31:58.000Yeah, again, I think it's three things.
00:32:11.000You need donor alignment on what actually works.
00:32:13.000And it's funny because there's people like, I've not seen any indication that what Turning Point or Scott Presser or whatever does is actually working.
00:32:21.000No, that's the wrong conclusion to draw.