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00:03:38.000So to our audience who thinks they know what a libertarian is for good or for bad or for worse, in your words, Dave Smith, what is a libertarian?
00:03:47.000Well, you know, look, there are different camps of libertarians and some of them who I see things very different from.
00:03:52.000I'm a libertarian in the Ron Paul school.
00:03:56.000So people who believe in non-interventionism, limited government, sound money, and individual liberty.
00:04:04.000So explain then what how the other factions of like American libertarianism, and I'm not, you know, asking, I kind of sort of get it.
00:04:14.000And this was highlighted at the convention this last weekend.
00:04:17.000And I'm going to apply some of your remarks that I thought was excellent, by the way.
00:04:20.000You were one of the more mature people.
00:04:21.000You were one of the more mature people in the room, honestly.
00:04:23.000And by the way, just to be perfectly clear, I'm super in harmony on the non-interventionism stuff and a lot of it, not everything.
00:04:30.000But like, what are the other camps of libertarianism and where do they come from?
00:04:34.000Well, there's camps of libertarianism that comes from more of like the Cato school, as I would call them, where Cato is a DC think tank that's supposedly libertarian.
00:04:50.000Those groups are much more likely to support things like open borders, which I reject as not the correct libertarian position and also just an insane policy.
00:05:00.000There's also another school of more kind of like left libertarians that to me kind of pervert the ideology or the theory, no pun intended with the word pervert, but who seem to that, well, they kind of seem to believe that because libertarians believe in individual freedom, they are for if somebody is doing something that is not initiating violence against other people, it must be celebrated.
00:05:33.000So I do, you know, I do believe that adults have the right to live whatever lifestyle they want to, so long as they're not violating the rights of other people.
00:05:41.000But that doesn't mean at all that they're, in fact, I would argue that if that's the libertarian view, then it's even more necessary that we have things like social standards and judgment and stigmas, uncertain behavior, and that it doesn't follow at all from me believing that a cop shouldn't bash you over the head with a club for something doesn't mean that therefore it ought to be celebrated.
00:06:06.000Well, so when you said that on Tucker's podcast, I verbally, I was going for a walk, I said, thank you.
00:06:12.000Because I mean, having been around what I call cultural libertarians, and I'm going to say this and I, you could disagree.
00:06:19.000There's, there's just like a freak element where these people, like, if I, if I all of a sudden say that I don't think it's a good thing to do acid, they're like, what do you mean?
00:06:25.000Like, do you not know of the great, you know, benefits?
00:06:28.000And I was like, well, hold on a second.
00:06:29.000Like, it's okay to be very, I totally understand the argument that you don't want government to get in the way of people's agency.
00:06:36.000I, I think there's my worldview is more nuanced than that, but I totally respect it.
00:06:40.000Where it gets weird to me is when all of a sudden those activities are celebrated, venerated.
00:06:46.000And does that, is that, is that, is that a faction of like modern libertarianism?
00:06:54.000I mean, I think that in the same sense that, well, let's say outside of like a sliver of maybe some very hardcore right-wingers, I don't think anybody is really advocating that it ought to be illegal to cheat on your wife or cheat on your husband or something like that.
00:07:11.000I don't think almost nobody is advocating that that ought to carry with it like a 10-year jail sentence.
00:07:18.000However, we can all acknowledge that that's wrong and you know what I mean, should be viewed that way.
00:07:25.000And so you just apply that to almost everything else that, you know, there's just because something ought to be legal doesn't mean it ought to be applauded.
00:07:37.000And in fact, I think one of the areas, and I talked about this with Tucker, I think one of the areas where libertarians are very, very goofy is that, or some libertarians, many are not, but that if you're going to say that you don't want government dictating morality and you don't want government being the ones who determine many different, you know, types of human interaction, well, then something else has to be determining that.
00:08:02.000And what you need, you know, what I believe is I think you need for any system to function, libertarian or otherwise, you need a moral society.
00:08:09.000Otherwise, things aren't going to work.
00:08:58.000It is an absolute crime against our nation that the intelligence agencies that supposedly work for the president would dare frame a presidential candidate.
00:09:08.000But they crossed a whole nother line when they framed the sitting commander and chief.
00:09:13.000And not one of them has paid for that.
00:11:03.000And I just, from an outsider perspective, who's danced in some of the libertarian circles about a decade ago, I just, I thought that like free speech and kind of this idea of allowing different ideas was like a fundamental small L libertarian value that we're kind of going to allow this marketplace of ideas.
00:11:22.000It felt like pseudo like leftist libertarianism kind of, and I think that might be a creeping element within the movement.
00:11:33.000Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here, debt.
00:11:35.000It keeps you tossing and turning at night.
00:12:36.000So Dave, for our audience that wasn't following it carefully or closely, what did the libertarian delegates end up deciding in regards to their pick for president?
00:12:48.000Well, basically, I was a part of a group called the Mises Caucus, which had been attempting for the last few years to kind of bring the Ron Paul movement into the Libertarian Party and make it more of something that our camp of libertarians would be proud of.
00:13:24.000After many, many ballots, you said and you tweeted out that this actually was a best case outcome for Trump, even more so than a standing ovation.
00:13:36.000Well, I mean, look, the reason why Donald Trump was coming to appear at this convention is quite obviously political and that the Libertarian Party has gotten millions of votes over the last couple of years.
00:13:49.000And I think even though most of the polls right now seem to be very much in Donald Trump's favor, you got Bobby Kennedy running and you just never know how these things might go over the next few months.
00:14:00.000And so I think they thought this was an important enough demographic to try to appeal to.
00:14:04.000I think if there's this kind of irony in third party politics, where if we had gotten a strong right-wing libertarian candidate, that would probably be more detrimental to Donald Trump, whereas getting someone like Chase Oliver, whose message is like, you know, something that almost anybody who would be considering voting for Trump or the libertarians would probably be pushed toward Trump in that situation.
00:14:56.000Yeah, well, look, and I mean, a lot of this stuff does come down to things that are somewhat outside of the scope of libertarianism, although some of them are actually, you know, within the scope of where we have differences in theory.
00:15:09.000But, you know, there are people who, you know, I had this one guy at the Libertarian Party who came up to me at one point during the convention, and he's certainly not a member of my camp.
00:15:21.000And he was wearing like a thong and some weird like furry costume type thing.
00:15:29.000And he came up to me and he said, he said, hey, I disagree with you on immigration.
00:15:33.000I'd like to have a discussion about it.
00:15:36.000And I was, you know, I was just like, ah, sorry, buddy.
00:15:40.000But there was this moment where I was like, just the idea that you would even think you could approach another human being like this and they would maybe have a conversation.
00:15:47.000Like, maybe my mind will be changed by this man in a thong.
00:15:50.000And, you know, I bet that guy, if you asked him, he probably has a lot of views that I agree with him on and probably a lot of views you agree with him on because this is a libertarian guy.
00:16:02.000And he's probably, I bet you he's good on guns and he's good on sound money and he's good on cutting government spending and deregulation and a whole bunch of other.
00:16:12.000But it doesn't matter how much we agree on if because this gap is like unbridgeable.
00:16:36.000And you see this a lot where, you know, when you'll see your, like a Democratic voter, and I'm not talking about like one of the corrupt people in the establishment of the Democratic Party.
00:16:44.000I'm talking about like your uncle, you know what I mean, who votes Democrat.
00:16:49.000And someone will go, well, like, what do you think about Joe Biden's age?
00:17:07.000You're telling me you don't see what the issue is, the man who struggles to walk and speak.
00:17:12.000And yet it's almost, and they're just trying to find a way in their mind to not acknowledge it.
00:17:16.000And you just kind of feel like, oh, you're under a spell.
00:17:19.000You're under some type of spell here that hasn't been broken.
00:17:22.000And likewise, I think that, you know, one of the positions that I've heard Chase and some of these other libertarians make is that they think puberty blockers for children are acceptable.
00:17:35.000And like the government shouldn't get in the way of decisions between a parent and the doctor.
00:17:41.000And I do, in a similar sense, I don't think like these people are evil.
00:17:48.000There are some people who are evil who push this stuff, but I think a lot of these people are just like under a spell.
00:17:54.000And you're like, oh, you really don't understand what's going on here?
00:17:57.000You think this is some type of like organic market outcome?
00:18:02.000And that, first of all, it's way over the line of what a libertarian should think.
00:18:07.000It's between the doctors and the parents.
00:18:09.000It's like, no, like, we don't think child abuse should be left to the market.
00:18:12.000We think it should be, you know, abolished or outlawed.
00:18:16.000But on top of that, you're just like, oh, you really, you're just missing the bigger picture of what's going on here.
00:18:22.000And a lot of people like that, there are these people in the libertarian world.
00:18:26.000Again, by the way, they're not a majority of the libertarian world, but there is this camp who kind of was like, well, we're against lockdowns and mandates, but we still do think you should stay home and we do think you should get the vaccine.
00:18:40.000So they kind of rejected, they rejected the policy, but they embraced the propaganda.
00:19:26.000I, you know, I, there's a lot of what Donald Trump has said that I really liked.
00:19:33.000And this has been true all the way since 2016.
00:19:36.000And I think that Donald Trump, for the most part, has very good instincts.
00:19:41.000The major issue that I have with Donald Trump, and I know this will get, you know, I'm sure there's people in your audience who won't appreciate me saying this, but the problem, we have to, our nation is at such a point of crisis right now that we have to really live in reality and we can't just get married to the narratives that make us feel better.
00:20:02.000And what I see when I look at the Trump administration was on so many of the key issues, Donald Trump getting rolled by the people that he had around him, appointing some of like the worst people in the country to very, very important positions.
00:20:20.000And, you know, particularly with the stuff during COVID, where he, you know, like kept Fauci on the job for all of 2020.
00:20:29.000And everybody can make all their excuses for how he didn't know who the people were.
00:20:33.000But I'm sorry, there's just, there's no excuse to not know who John Bolton is, who Mike Pence is, who Mike Pompeo is, who Ray is.
00:20:41.000The guy leading the charge against him at the FBI was appointed by Donald Trump.
00:20:46.000And it's not even like Donald Trump is coming out now and saying, oh, yes, I realized this mistake.
00:20:52.000And this is what's going to be different next time.
00:20:54.000He's talking about building the FBI, a new building.
00:20:57.000He's talking about Nikki Haley having a place in his cabinet.
00:21:00.000He was supporting that god-awful foreign aid package that just came out for the war in Ukraine and the war in Gaza.
00:21:09.000And all of that stuff is just deal breakers for me.
00:21:12.000Obviously, I couldn't support Joe Biden.
00:21:32.000And to just say one thing, the audience would actually tend to agree that of all the things that they look back on the Trump administration, that even the most loyal Trump supporters would say could have been done better was personnel selection.
00:21:47.000Even Rush Limbaugh, who is like number one Trump guy, said the people that Trump chooses at times is very puzzling to me.
00:21:54.000Dave, you have a thought there, but I also want you to say, do you think that Trump did anything for libertarian-leaning voters from the crypto statement to the Ross Albricht to maybe improve his chances?
00:22:06.000But please finish your thought as well, Dave.
00:22:11.000I mean, you know, the thing is that I think the issue with any type of promise on a campaign trail is that I think lots of people, but particularly libertarians, have just grown to understand that you have to take these things with a grain of salt and that there's always lots of promises that are made.
00:22:32.000And if you want to look back at, say, look back at the campaign that George W. Bush ran in the year 2000.
00:22:39.000Maybe some of your younger audience may not remember this, but if I'm not making this up, George W. Bush ran on a humble foreign policy and that the military should never be used for nation building.
00:22:51.000It should only be used to fight and win wars.
00:23:01.000And, you know, so and then you look at Barack Obama campaigning on, you know, closing Gitmo and ending the war in Iraq and all of these things that he was going to do.
00:23:11.000And so, you know, look, I like hearing that he'll pardon Ross Ulbricht on day one.
00:23:19.000There are, there were good things that Donald Trump did in his first administration.
00:23:23.000I mean, I give him credit, enormous credit for working out the deal to end the war in Afghanistan.
00:23:29.000And it was, it was only because Biden insisted on like moving the date so it wasn't Trump's success, it was Biden's.
00:23:36.000And that's the reason why the whole withdrawal was botched.
00:23:39.000So I give Donald Trump a lot of credit for that.
00:23:41.000I think there were, I think almost all of his instincts on foreign policy were correct.
00:23:47.000I think the real problem, almost all, I don't think all, but a lot of them were.
00:23:51.000The real problem is you have to have a team of guys around you who are committed to implementing that plan.
00:23:57.000And he very clearly objectively didn't.
00:23:59.000I mean, look, Donald Trump, when Donald Trump wanted to pull out of Syria, Mad Dog Mattis resigned, even though he had run on pulling out of Syria.
00:24:09.000So he didn't even make sure that one of his most important positions, his Secretary of Defense, was on board to follow the plan.
00:24:19.000And so there's just a lot of stuff like that that makes it very difficult for me to have a high degree of confidence in what he's going to do next time.
00:24:38.000And I think we are going to continue to choose better people.
00:24:41.000I think there's been a cleansing process, but I don't want to get too deep into that.
00:24:44.000I am curious, though, Dave, that after all of this, do you ever think, should I, do you want to think, boy, should I do the Ron Paul thing and try to be involved in the Republican Party from a liberty standpoint?
00:24:56.000Or do you think it's healthier from your objectives to have a free society, which I totally resonate with, to go third party?
00:25:02.000Help me understand why you choose one direction over the other.
00:25:07.000Yeah, well, look, I mean, it's a very, it's a very debatable issue.
00:25:10.000And I have, I have a lot of friends who are liberty Republicans and are great people.
00:25:15.000And I, you know, some of my heroes, I mean, Thomas Massey and Rand Paul and guys like that are heroes to me.
00:25:22.000So I'm not against anybody who wants to be a Liberty Republican.
00:25:27.000The truth is that my focus is not really on the political.
00:25:34.000It's always been much more about ideas.
00:25:38.000And I think they're much more powerful than voting in presidential elections.
00:25:43.000I mean, when you, I'm not, I'm not like telling anyone listening not to vote.
00:25:46.000I'm sure everybody has already made up their mind whether they're doing that.
00:25:49.000But we do, I think, get into this kind of like mystical type of thinking when we think about voting for presidential elections.
00:25:56.000Where, look, anytime, if you're taking a couple hours to do something where you have one 150 millionth of a say in something, probably almost anything you could do with that time could be more valuable than that.
00:26:10.000And so, again, I'm not like saying, I'm not telling everyone not to vote.
00:26:13.000I'm just the way what I see as my role is to tell the truth as I see it.
00:26:19.000And I think that somebody has to play that role or, you know, or many people have to play that role.
00:26:24.000And the problem with party politics, and I'm not saying like, I'm not saying you don't tell the truth or something like that, but I'm sure you know what I'm saying where The problem with politics is you get incentivized to once you've picked a side, you want to say whatever it is to help that side.
00:26:43.000And you do feel this pressure to not, you know what I mean?
00:26:46.000Like say, and so the thing that I like about being in the Libertarian Party is that I'm unencumbered by anything, by just telling the truth about every candidate the way I see it.
00:26:57.000And intellectual honesty is one of the great.
00:26:59.000And by the way, I have not a lot of friends at Republican leadership because of some of the stance I take, including challenging neocons, which is a great segue to what I want to talk about next.
00:28:26.000How would you define it in your terms?
00:28:29.000Well, yeah, they sure are easy to hate.
00:28:31.000You know, the term neocon has become this kind of broader term, but the neoconservatives were a small group of Trotskyite, former Trotskyite communists, who basically decided to join the Republican Party after World War II.
00:28:53.000And they were a small group that were considered to be like intellectuals.
00:28:58.000I've never found any of them to be particularly impressive, but they ultimately ended up really taking a lot of control of our government and particularly our foreign policy.
00:29:09.000And these were people like Leo Strauss and Irving Kristol, and then their Irving Kristol's son, Bill Kristol, of course, went on to be very prominent, a very prominent writer during the George W. Bush years.
00:29:23.000People like Dick Cheney, Richard Pearl, David Wormser, and many others.
00:29:29.000Victoria Newland and her husband, Robert Kagan, were very involved in this.
00:29:33.000And they had a very specific foreign policy agenda.
00:29:37.000And you can go back and read their writings in the 1990s in a project for a new American century.
00:29:43.000You can read A Clean Break, which was a memo that was sent to Benjamin Netanyahu when he first became prime minister in 1996.
00:29:50.000And their plan basically was after the Soviet Union fell, they were like, now is the time for America to exert its power around the world.
00:29:59.000I'm not exaggerating at all when I say this.
00:30:01.000In a project for a new American century, they said now that the Soviet Union has fallen, we should fight a war.
00:30:06.000We should fight wars on multiple fronts.
00:30:09.000And the goal there was to kind of, you know, basically have American influence around the world by force and that this would result in, you know, the Middle East embracing democracy and American influence, you know, sweeping through Eastern Europe and all of these things.
00:30:26.000And they essentially won the day in terms of the fight for policy.
00:30:31.000All of the terror wars and all of the NATO expansion and all of this stuff was a direct result of this group of people who really pushed for it.
00:30:38.000Today, the term neocon has almost become just like a pejorative any, well, yes, no, I agree, but it's almost just like anyone who wants the next war is like, oh, you're a neocon.
00:30:49.000And it is good that they've kind of like, yes, that's, that's what the term's been associated with.
00:30:53.000But the truth is that it was a stark rejection of the advice of all of the founders, which, you know, the founders disagreed on a lot of issues.
00:31:03.000One issue where they were unanimous was the idea of non-intervention and the idea of rejecting entangling alliances and searching the world for monsters to destroy.
00:31:13.000As John Quincy Adams put it, if we search the world for monsters to destroy, we will become the dicatrice of the world, but we will lose our own soul.
00:31:22.000And I mean, if wiser words haven't ever been spoken, I've never heard them.
00:31:29.000So help me understand how this fringe Trotskyite, parasitic worldview, and it is, enveloped all of the kingdom of Washington, D.C. Help me understand that because this was not the predominant view in D.C. Even Clinton had two wings.
00:31:49.000He had the neocon wing, Madden Albright, and he had, I can't remember the other guy, but there was at least some tension.
00:31:54.000He ended up being more neocon towards the end of his presidency, you know, bombing Bosnia and all sorts of crazy stuff.
00:32:02.000How did the neocons, Bush even, like you said, had to pretend like he wasn't one.
00:32:07.000Did 9-11 really just, was it that big?
00:32:10.000Was it 9-11 shock and awe, this, we must now fight wars in every place, every square inch, every continent, or else we get another 9-11.
00:32:20.000At least that's how I explain it to myself.
00:32:23.000Yeah, well, I mean, that's, that's a huge element in it for sure.
00:32:26.000So, I mean, they, they ended up getting, a lot of them got positions in Reagan's government and in Bush Sr.'s government.
00:32:33.000They're in George W. Bush's government.
00:32:36.000I think because Dick Cheney was his vice president, they ended up getting many more positions of a lot of power.
00:32:42.000And like you said, after 9-11, that was their moment to really jump on things and seize control.
00:32:49.000Look, it also doesn't hurt that, look, in Washington, D.C., it's always about whether you're going with the wind or against the wind, right?
00:32:57.000So if you're sitting there and your thing is we advocate something that is in the financial interest of the military industrial complex, you're going to have a much easier time progressing, getting promoted, implementing your ideas than if you were, say, advocating a 50% reduction in the defense budget.
00:33:17.000That's going to be a much tougher sell.
00:33:18.000And so part of the thing also is that they advocated for something that powerful people were on board with.
00:33:44.000Like, like if you were to cut government spending by 80%, which is probably what Thomas Sowell would recommend, then, you know, all those millionaires in Washington, D.C. all lose their gravy trains.
00:33:54.000So of course that's not what's going to be promoted.
00:33:56.000But if there's an intellectual who has a justification for why DC should have more power, they're going to rise up.
00:34:02.000Like, you know, even if you think someone like Bernie Sanders, think about how easy a trip it's been for him.
00:34:07.000He's not like, they don't really viciously go after him the way they do real dissidents because his message is basically there should be more power in Washington, D.C. They're okay with that.
00:34:17.000I mean, maybe when he talks about breaking up the big banks or something, they're like, all right, enough there, Bernie.
00:34:35.000You tell us who to hit without asking too many more questions.
00:34:38.000But also just the fact that it's like they're on the side of power and that's always an easier road.
00:34:44.000So the challenge that I have comprehending part of this, and maybe you can help me explain, is the vanishing and the disappearing of the anti-war left.
00:34:55.000The home of the criticism of neoconservatism is actually within conservatism, much more now than on the left.
00:35:02.000Again, we do not control the Republican Party.
00:35:36.000And I think that, look, there is something in the left liberal mind.
00:35:41.000And I want to be as generous when I say this as possible.
00:35:43.000I think it's part of the reason why they fell for the whole wokeism nonsense, is that in the left liberal mind, at the core of their identity, as much as at the core of the identity of conservatives' mind is believing in God, at the core of the left liberal mind's identity is not being racist.
00:36:09.000It is, you shall have, that is number one.
00:36:12.000Now, if you want to be as generous as possible, you could say that given some of the ugly, very past history of this country, there was probably a time where that kind of made sense, that it was like, hey, I want to be the one who's not a bigot and I want to be the one who doesn't believe in these policies, whatever segregation or whatever they might be.
00:36:32.000But there was something so intoxicating about Barack Obama as like their cool black friend that they just could not criticize him.
00:36:41.000And when he started to continue all of the worst of the Bush era foreign policy and really drastically expanded that, I mean, he didn't just keep the war in Afghanistan and the war in Iraq going.
00:36:51.000He launched a war, a regime change war in Libya, attempted a regime change war in Syria, Yemen, Somalia.
00:36:58.000I mean, spread it to Niger and all over the place, and then expanded on the worst of the Patriot Act abuses.
00:40:24.000As a libertarian, though, and someone who does not like adventurous foreign wars, do you see a connection?
00:40:30.000And this is what those of us that are populist nationalists, we see that the wars are tied with mass migration, invade the world, invite the world.
00:40:38.000Do you see that kind of one-two combo?
00:40:40.000And I'm curious how you as a libertarian think about that.
00:40:48.000So look, if you remember during the George W. Bush years and during the Barack Obama years, I mean, during Barack Obama's presidency, the right-wing radio critique of Obama, like on right-wing radio across the country and on Fox News and all of this stuff, for the most part, was that he was too soft, that he wasn't tough like George W. Bush was.
00:41:11.000And if you remember, the big critique of him from Republican talking heads was always that he won't say radical Islamic jihad.
00:41:20.000And so even as Obama was like expanding all of these wars, killing hundreds of thousands of Muslims, the critique was he's not tough enough.
00:41:31.000You know, Charles Krauthammer's critique of his action in Syria was that he wasn't overthrowing Assad quickly enough and he was only spending 50 billion when he could be spending 100 billion and all of this stuff.
00:41:42.000And they were quite content to just demonize Muslims as like they're all radical Islamists and all this stuff.
00:41:51.000And as soon as Donald Trump said, he said, hey, we got to shut down immigration.
00:41:57.000As soon as Donald Trump went, hey, we got to shut down all Muslim immigration into the United States until we figure out what's going on.
00:42:04.000Every neocon turned around and went, racist.
00:42:11.000It's really something that you could demonize Muslims all you wanted to if it was selling a war.
00:42:17.000And even right now, most of like the Republican, the Republican establishment, look right now, if you're defending Israel's campaign in Gaza, if you're defending a war, then the establishment Republicans are fine with you demonizing a group among them.
00:42:30.000Yes, but if you have a problem with that, at the same time, they're like, it's okay to bomb the people in Gaza, but hey, we want to go bring in 200,000 because they enrich our communities.
00:42:39.000I'm like, wait, hold on, which one is it exactly?
00:42:41.000Look, so and that's that's exactly right.
00:42:44.000The analogy I use is kind of like this, right?
00:42:46.000I go, look, imagine that I am like I'm a lot tougher than I am, right?
00:42:54.000Like, let's say I was like some sharpshooter in the Marines or something like that, and I'm home and I got a bunch of guns and I got my place is fully, you know, protected.
00:43:04.000And someone who's unarmed breaks into my house and I see them.
00:43:09.000I have all the weapons needed to take this guy out, but I don't.
00:43:12.000And I allow them to come in and rob from me and assault my family or whatever.
00:43:18.000I think it could be reasonably deduced from that that I intentionally let that happen because you certainly have the ability to stop this and you chose not to.
00:43:28.000And likewise, this mass flux of immigration into the country, don't tell me for a second that the most powerful government in the history of the world, Washington, D.C., can't stop this flood if they wanted to.
00:43:56.000There's a few we might have trouble with.
00:43:57.000But the amount of power, the idea that we can't protect our borders is just ridiculous.
00:44:02.000And if you look at, say, like the UN money that goes to these NGOs that are funding these migrant caravans coming in, and you look at how much anybody who just had anything common sense to say about immigration over the last, say, five years, seven, eight years, has been totally viciously demonized.
00:44:21.000It's hard to not conclude that this is a plan of sorts.
00:44:26.000Now, I don't know exactly what the plan is.
00:44:28.000I do know that I'm old enough to remember watching MSNBC during Barack Obama's second term when they were all openly bragging about how this was a plan and they called it the Browning of America.
00:44:40.000And they were like, this is going to give the Democrats permanent majorities in perpetuity.
00:44:45.000This is going to be a one-party country after this.
00:44:50.000You go find videos of Joy Reed talking about this, Joe Biden talking about this, Rachel Maddox talking about this.
00:44:55.000Then, as soon as there was a right-wing reaction to it that rose up and said, no, we don't want this, then they turned it into like somehow you're a member of the Ku Klux Klan if you address this.
00:45:10.000And then they decided that, and don't get me wrong, there were like a sliver of very hard right-wing guys who would talk about the great replacement theory and how white people had to fight back.
00:45:22.000But that was just like a tiny sliver of the right wing.
00:45:25.000But then broadly speaking, if anyone on the right pushed back against this at all, it was like, oh, you're those neo-Nazis.
00:45:32.000Even though these guys were all bragging about this plan to be.
00:45:35.000So just, and I got to give you my pitch here, Dave, because I know, is that the one thing I want libertarians to think about with Trump is the idea of national sovereignty.
00:45:44.000I know the personnel thing I want is that the one thing about international wars and mass migration is that we are losing the idea of a nation.
00:45:51.000And if there's one libertarian principle, it's that you must be able to say that you have either private property, your own nation.
00:46:00.000The whole idea of the oneness of the world, I completely reject.
00:46:03.000I think it is a silly, stupid, maniacal, I think honestly, demonic, demonically driven idea.
00:46:11.000And it is about the erosion of the nation state as we know it, fundamentally, to try to bring in kind of this globalist type experiment.
00:46:19.000I want to just ask you really quick, what gives you hope right now, Dave?
00:46:21.000You're traveling the country, speaking to a lot of people.
00:46:24.000Well, listen, I'll tell you what, what really, really gives me the most amount of hope, and I certainly do meet a lot of great people going around the country.
00:46:31.000But what I really love the most is that, look, governments rely on propaganda.
00:46:39.000There's a reason why we didn't just invade Iraq in late 2001.
00:46:42.000They spent the whole year of 2002 trying to convince everyone they had weapons of mass destruction and were in on 9-11 because they need the people to buy in.
00:46:50.000And for the first time in, I think, in history, governments and powerful people have lost the monopoly on information.
00:46:59.000I mean, there are just, there's thousands and thousands of shows on the internet that have bigger audiences than the corporate media giants do.
00:47:07.000And their ability to control the narrative and control propaganda has been weakened to an unbelievable level.
00:47:15.000And that is why they're all freaking out so much.
00:47:18.000That's why they're so scared of Donald Trump that they're trying to use the Justice Department to keep him from being elected again.
00:47:24.000They know they can no longer control the conversation.
00:47:27.000And that's a tremendous reason to be optimistic as far as I'm concerned.
00:47:32.000And Dave, I'm going to keep you just for one or two more minutes because I want to make sure we summarize this.
00:47:38.000And we'd love to have you speak at some of our turning point events.
00:47:41.000And I mean that, which is that I want you to think about and just kind of plant the seed, you trying to influence the Republican Party because there is a place for you in the Republican Party and you wouldn't be booed more than you might believe.
00:48:46.000They are, he was effectively, and I do not say this, he was close to basically saying those of us that refuse the mRNA gene altering vaccine because we don't believe in that nonsense.
00:48:58.000He was basically calling us like undemens, like very close.
00:49:15.000Dude, the entire corporate media and including much of the supposed conservative corporate media all failed on COVID.
00:49:23.000I mean, everybody failed on COVID except for a very small group of people.
00:49:27.000And, you know, some of them, even amongst like, say, Republican governors or something like that, there were only like three who were actually really good on it.
00:49:35.000Like DeSantis and Noam were the outliers.
00:50:09.000And I wonder if he's going to have some contrition that he basically was responsible for pushing an unfounded, unscientific, gene-altering shot on a population that didn't need it, shaming and suggesting that our God-given rights should be given because we didn't want to become lab rats for the largest open-air experiment in pharmaceutical history.