The Charlie Kirk Show - July 27, 2022


What’s Next for TPUSA? With Jack Posobiec and Rob McCoy


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Pastor Rob McCoy joins us to talk about our upcoming Turning Point USA Faith Pastors Summit. We're live from the Student Action Summit in Tampa, Florida and also, we kick off this conversation, this episode, with Jack Pesobic.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Pastor Rob McCoy joins us, my pastor, America's pastor, to talk about our upcoming Turning Point USA Faith Pastors Summit, TPUSA Faith.
00:00:11.000 We're live from the Student Action Summit in Tampa, Florida.
00:00:14.000 And also, we kick off this conversation, this episode, I should say.
00:00:17.000 Jack Pasobic, email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:00:20.000 You're probably so used to me promoting SAS at the beginning of these episodes.
00:00:23.000 So I'm not going to do that anymore because it's happening right now and you missed out on it.
00:00:27.000 Too bad for you.
00:00:28.000 Email us your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:00:30.000 Thank you guys for supporting us.
00:00:31.000 CharlieKirk.com slash support live from Tampa.
00:00:33.000 Buckle up. 0.96
00:00:34.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:34.000 Here we go.
00:00:36.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
00:00:38.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
00:00:41.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
00:00:45.000 I want to thank Charlie.
00:00:46.000 He's an incredible guy.
00:00:47.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:55.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:04.000 That's why we are here.
00:01:07.000 Brought to you by the Loan Experts I Trust, Andrew and Todd at Sierra Pacific Mortgage at AndrewandTodd.com.
00:01:16.000 We're here with Jack Pesobic from Turning Point USA's Human Events Daily.
00:01:19.000 How awesome is this event, Jack?
00:01:21.000 Charlie, you know, I was talking to Tanya about when was the last time we missed a SAS, right?
00:01:27.000 So when because we have a pretty good streak of SASes, and I want to say it all the way back to 2017, probably at this point.
00:01:35.000 So half a decade, believe it or not, right?
00:01:37.000 You look at some of these numbers, it doesn't make sense.
00:01:38.000 You're like, wait, that couldn't have been that long ago, right?
00:01:41.000 I'm meeting people.
00:01:42.000 I actually just met somebody who came up.
00:01:43.000 She goes, oh, I met you at a, you know, at a rally in 16.
00:01:47.000 And I said, no, that couldn't have been because your daughter was, oh, wow.
00:01:50.000 Wow.
00:01:51.000 And you realize that, like, now she's going to college, right?
00:01:51.000 Right.
00:01:54.000 And so the thing, though, is about this one is this is bigger than any of the ones ever before, which is amazing.
00:02:03.000 This is the second biggest event ever.
00:02:04.000 I have, I keep seeing the news, right?
00:02:07.000 And they say the MAGA movement is done.
00:02:10.000 The Trump movement is done.
00:02:11.000 Turning point, they're barely keeping the lights on around there.
00:02:15.000 And you come into these things.
00:02:17.000 Oh, we're keeping the lights on.
00:02:18.000 And you see the kids and you see everybody out.
00:02:21.000 And it's like, and the thing kills me too is these people who quote unquote make their living reporting on the right wing and the right wing reactionaries and everything they're doing to radicalize our youth.
00:02:34.000 How many of them are actually here at the event talking to people just from a pure journalistic standpoint, right?
00:02:42.000 There's some that are coming right in.
00:02:43.000 Andrew's a few.
00:02:44.000 Andrew's probably a few.
00:02:46.000 He's trying.
00:02:47.000 He's like begging them to come in, right?
00:02:49.000 And to say, just look.
00:02:51.000 No, they just want to talk to me as they're going to be.
00:02:52.000 Take the blinders off.
00:02:53.000 Take the blinders off.
00:02:54.000 Take the, you know, or they play that game when they come in and they try to find like the one person with the weird patch or something.
00:03:00.000 Exactly.
00:03:01.000 They're going to find the one guy and then, aha, there it is.
00:03:03.000 That's a 3,500 other students.
00:03:05.000 But let's actually take a peek and just do an overview what this is.
00:03:11.000 Show the room, which is gorgeous, by the way.
00:03:13.000 We went through.
00:03:14.000 We snuck in with the kids.
00:03:16.000 And it's not AmericaFest.
00:03:18.000 It's not quite AmericaFest, but for Florida, I'll take it.
00:03:21.000 For a summer student event?
00:03:22.000 It's pretty extraordinary.
00:03:23.000 The fact that this is a student event, you've got thousands and thousands of people here, right?
00:03:23.000 Right.
00:03:27.000 And keep in mind, this is Florida in the middle of summer, right?
00:03:31.000 These kids, they could be doing anything else right now.
00:03:34.000 They could be at the beach.
00:03:36.000 They could be hanging out.
00:03:37.000 They could be going out with their friends.
00:03:38.000 They're here because they actually care.
00:03:40.000 And that's the opposite of what you hear because I'm looking around.
00:03:45.000 I would say a good 95% of people in the building are under 25 at this point.
00:03:50.000 Easily.
00:03:50.000 And I keep hearing, oh, the youth are done.
00:03:53.000 It's a waste.
00:03:54.000 America's going a certain way.
00:03:56.000 It's not coming up.
00:03:57.000 Come to a turning point event.
00:03:58.000 Just come with the blinders off, an objective look, right?
00:04:03.000 You don't have to be someone who's, oh, I'm a huge, I love Trump and all this.
00:04:06.000 No, just come.
00:04:07.000 Just see that there is another side to the story.
00:04:11.000 And clearly, you've struck, you know, where the iron is hot.
00:04:15.000 You've hit this trend that's coming up.
00:04:18.000 Because what it really is, and I was talking about this on one of the shows I was doing this week.
00:04:23.000 They all blur.
00:04:23.000 Yeah, they really do all blur.
00:04:25.000 But I said, it's the problem with that I keep getting asked when I meet young people at these things and when we chat is they've got more information than ever, right?
00:04:35.000 They are, they got more access.
00:04:37.000 Their families are doing well.
00:04:39.000 In some cases, not this year, of course.
00:04:40.000 But the problem is there's no meaning.
00:04:43.000 There's no meaning in our society offers no meaning.
00:04:46.000 You can have unlimited choices, but no rubric to understand which choices will generate the best outcomes.
00:04:54.000 And so when you have an organization like Turning Point that we come to us and you say, oh, no, this is about family.
00:04:59.000 It's about having meaningful work experiences.
00:05:02.000 It's about community.
00:05:03.000 It's about building things.
00:05:04.000 And then when you can center your life, your actual life around these things, you will live a better life.
00:05:10.000 And obviously, on top of all of that is belief in our creator, in belief in God, and understanding that we do all of this work to honor him.
00:05:19.000 Amen.
00:05:19.000 So, Jack, you've been focusing on a story that I'm actually equally passionate about.
00:05:24.000 And it got almost no, it got some media coverage, but it should have been a bombshell story, kind of like the biggest story in the last six months.
00:05:32.000 Okay, $15 billion a year antidepressant industry may not actually help depression.
00:05:38.000 You've been hitting this hard.
00:05:40.000 This is, and this is, and I've talked to a few other folks about this.
00:05:45.000 I think this is one of those sleeper stories where the story has come out, the study has now come out on this SSRI thing, the serotonin link, and it hasn't, it's so big that it hasn't yet saturated the market, hasn't yet saturated sort of the information space.
00:06:02.000 And so I don't even think the audience understands the implications of what we're seeing here in this story.
00:06:06.000 Charlie, for 20 years in this country, we've been told that depression is caused by a lack of serotonin causing a chemical imbalance.
00:06:17.000 It's called the chemical imbalance theory.
00:06:19.000 And all your SSRIs, right, these reuptake inhibitors of serotonin, the idea is that all the antidepressants that are being prescribed, your Zoloft, your Prozac, everything for 20 years.
00:06:31.000 And I had Dr. Malone on the other day and we were talking about this.
00:06:35.000 It's all been predicated on this theory that chemical imbalance causes depression and that is caused by a low rate of serotonin.
00:06:42.000 And it's all false.
00:06:43.000 It's just completely.
00:06:44.000 So what did the study show?
00:06:45.000 Because that's a bombshell revelation.
00:06:47.000 The study showed that they tracked people across different serotonin levels for a long time.
00:06:54.000 It's a study of studies.
00:06:55.000 So this is umbrella analysis, meta-analysis, study of studies.
00:06:58.000 This is not just some sort of drawing thing.
00:07:00.000 This is University College of London.
00:07:01.000 Got it.
00:07:02.000 And they have no reason to come to the conclusion that they did, meaning that this is a big revelation.
00:07:07.000 It is a massive revelation that you've been told, like we've been sold alive for all these years.
00:07:12.000 When you look at the millions of people across the country that are on these antidepressants and they are prescribed them because they go to the psychiatrist and psychiatrist says, well, it looks like you've got a chemical imbalance.
00:07:23.000 Yes.
00:07:23.000 Right.
00:07:24.000 And I remember, and this is me.
00:07:25.000 So me being me, I didn't tell you this before, but my thought was always, when I heard there's a chemical imbalance, I said, well, how are you measuring the brain chemicals?
00:07:36.000 Like, what, do you have like a meter that you're going in and you're checking the brain chemicals?
00:07:41.000 You know, you can see now they say they do brain scans, but that's very rare.
00:07:45.000 And based on neurologists, they say even the brain scans are not even able to tell.
00:07:50.000 Completely subjective.
00:07:51.000 Yeah.
00:07:52.000 And they're able to tell certain parts of the brain that are activated more than others.
00:07:55.000 Sure.
00:07:55.000 But that requires a great deal of inference of whether maybe your amygdala is being triggered, right?
00:08:00.000 Maybe your prefrontal cortex is being used.
00:08:04.000 So it still takes a lot of inference.
00:08:06.000 Now, for example, you could look at a brain scan of someone on heroin or someone that has a dopamine deficiency.
00:08:12.000 That's not what we're talking about here.
00:08:13.000 We're talking about serotonin, which is a tryptophan type of, it's a derivative of what you would have a tryptophan, relaxes you, happiness.
00:08:23.000 Jordan Peterson kind of made serotonin popular again by saying sit up straight with your shoulders back.
00:08:28.000 That releases more serotonin.
00:08:30.000 Exactly.
00:08:31.000 He said lobsters do that before.
00:08:32.000 You know, it's kind of that whole kind of genre.
00:08:34.000 But SSRIs are supposed to boost the serotonin response or kind of creation in your neurology.
00:08:43.000 Is that correct?
00:08:44.000 Now, Jack, how many people do you think are on antidepressants right now in America?
00:08:50.000 I know the number.
00:08:51.000 I would say, oh, gosh.
00:08:54.000 So we've got, what, 315 million Americans?
00:08:57.000 Say 330.
00:08:58.000 Plus 330, maybe not 340, thanks to Joe Biden, right?
00:09:01.000 Right.
00:09:02.000 If you count trespassers.
00:09:05.000 10%.
00:09:06.000 Yes.
00:09:07.000 So 50 million.
00:09:08.000 More than over, almost, that's almost 20.
00:09:10.000 14%.
00:09:11.000 40%.
00:09:11.000 So it varies.
00:09:12.000 And by the way, I think that's underreported just for a lot of reasons.
00:09:16.000 And this is completely across the country.
00:09:16.000 I have my own theories.
00:09:18.000 Yeah.
00:09:18.000 So all ages, all demographics.
00:09:20.000 So 5-0, 50 million Americans are taking pills that might not help them.
00:09:27.000 Now, look, some people listening right now, freedom at charliekirk.com, we did a whole thing on SSRIs.
00:09:31.000 And we did a whole thing on Xanax and a whole thing on this.
00:09:34.000 And they said, Charlie, it helped me.
00:09:36.000 I said, great.
00:09:37.000 Maybe it did.
00:09:38.000 Maybe it didn't.
00:09:38.000 Maybe it was a placebo.
00:09:39.000 Maybe you had therapy alongside of it.
00:09:41.000 Maybe it did have some sort of added benefit.
00:09:43.000 But that's not even the main aspect of what we're talking about here.
00:09:46.000 We're talking about the diagnosis itself is flawed.
00:09:48.000 Is that correct?
00:09:49.000 The diagnosis itself is flawed.
00:09:51.000 So we know, and we've got the black box of the side effects of the SSRIs.
00:09:58.000 And we understand that it does lead in many people to an increase in violent tendencies.
00:10:05.000 We know this.
00:10:06.000 About 5% in clinical trials.
00:10:08.000 Yes.
00:10:08.000 That's an extraordinary number.
00:10:10.000 So out of 50 million people, out of 200 million people.
00:10:12.000 The 5%, that's 2.5 million people, right?
00:10:17.000 Potentially.
00:10:18.000 So if you're predisposed to violence, these things are hitting you.
00:10:21.000 You may not know that, right?
00:10:22.000 You don't wake up in the morning and say, oh, sir, am I predisposed?
00:10:25.000 You know, no, we're not, you know, it's not 1984 and we're being brain scanned every day by Big Brother.
00:10:30.000 Though we'll get there thanks to Elon Musk, I'm sure.
00:10:31.000 And I just want to make clear, we're not doctors.
00:10:33.000 Do you know in research on this stuff?
00:10:34.000 We're just, you know, playing the journalist role and giving our own little commentary here.
00:10:38.000 But I do want to say there's a phenomenal amount of truth in everything we're saying.
00:10:41.000 Like this is not just some story.
00:10:42.000 Well, it is balanced.
00:10:43.000 Like I said, I did talk to Dr. Malone about this this week.
00:10:45.000 Yeah, so what is exactly what he said?
00:10:46.000 So he said this is exactly right.
00:10:48.000 And the percentages that have always he his point was these issues have always been in the data.
00:10:56.000 And this has been something that he and others have been banging the drum on when it comes to big pharma for years.
00:11:01.000 But of course, the problem is the money machine gets behind it because they realize that all of this, and of course, in the United States, one of the only countries in the world where we're allowed to advertise for big pharma, right?
00:11:13.000 This is advertising.
00:11:14.000 People walk into the doctor's office and they say, I saw that commercial that they were describing me.
00:11:20.000 They were speaking to me, right?
00:11:22.000 I want to be the person that's frolicking in the field with the kites and the balloons, you know, and the dogs at the feet and everything.
00:11:27.000 With all the warnings on the bottom side that you don't read.
00:11:30.000 And it may increase violent tendencies.
00:11:33.000 And he said, look, here's the problem with that is they're pushing this on everyone.
00:11:39.000 So it creates this feedback loop where people are going to the doctor and they say, I want this, I want this, I want this.
00:11:44.000 You do get a placebo effect in a lot of people, because when they get it, maybe they start to feel better.
00:11:48.000 Maybe they think that's what they need.
00:11:50.000 You have the side effect problem as well.
00:11:52.000 But the other thing that Malone pointed out was we have another way to deal with depression in not just this country, but in this world.
00:11:59.000 And that's called the sun.
00:12:01.000 It's called the golden rays of Earth's sun, increasing your vitamin D. That's right.
00:12:07.000 Hulk Hogan used to say it, Charlie.
00:12:09.000 Vitamin A, B, C, and D. That's all you need.
00:12:11.000 He used to come out every day, right?
00:12:13.000 We're in Tampa.
00:12:13.000 He's over at, what, I think, Clearwater, right?
00:12:15.000 Hogan Surf Shop.
00:12:16.000 He used to say it every day, vitamin A, B, C, and D. We've gotten so far away from this idea that we just need vitamins that I think that people actually believe that they need pharmaceutical cocktails.
00:12:27.000 I want to say other thing.
00:12:28.000 If you're on SSRIs right now, it's a judgment-free zone.
00:12:31.000 But I also want to say talk to a doctor.
00:12:33.000 If you just stop taking them immediately, you could have some serious health effects worse than what I'm articulating right now.
00:12:38.000 There's some major wean off issues as well.
00:12:40.000 You could be on benzos, whatever it is.
00:12:41.000 This is one of the most powerful drugs.
00:12:42.000 I'm not judging any that we've ever done.
00:12:44.000 I'm simply commenting on a super interesting story that I believe plays into a narrative that I think is true of the over-prescribing, over-medicating of America.
00:12:53.000 And so, judgment-free zone, you know, everyone's different.
00:12:56.000 Everyone seeks their own advice and all that.
00:12:58.000 But there might be people watching, I know there are, that might be thinking about taking these drugs, that I think this segment might be really helpful for you.
00:13:04.000 Exactly.
00:13:04.000 Try, try, you know, this should be something that you come to when you've exhausted all the other options.
00:13:12.000 So, Tom Cruise warned us about going to a brave new world, which is a Huxley in hat tip.
00:13:16.000 Greg was a little ahead of his time with that.
00:13:17.000 Huxley's kind of had a resurgence in recent years.
00:13:20.000 I've actually said that Huxley, so the book is A Brave New World, of course, referenced to Shakespeare.
00:13:25.000 1925, I believe is when the book came out.
00:13:28.000 Huxley?
00:13:29.000 Yeah.
00:13:29.000 Got to be later than that.
00:13:30.000 Guarantee it.
00:13:31.000 I think it was 1920s.
00:13:32.000 Want to bet?
00:13:33.000 I bet it's 47.
00:13:34.000 32.
00:13:35.000 32.
00:13:36.000 Okay, 32.
00:13:37.000 We met in the middle.
00:13:37.000 We were both wrong.
00:13:38.000 But we met in the middle.
00:13:39.000 You were closer.
00:13:39.000 We'll do it.
00:13:40.000 No, I remember it was before 1984.
00:13:40.000 We'll do it.
00:13:40.000 No.
00:13:42.000 I do remember that.
00:13:43.000 And maybe it's something else in the 20s that I was thinking of.
00:13:45.000 But point being, though, is Huxley got so much.
00:13:50.000 And you have to put them together.
00:13:51.000 You have to put Huxley together with Orwell.
00:13:54.000 That's the thing.
00:13:54.000 Because Huxley, so many people miss this.
00:13:56.000 What's it about?
00:13:57.000 It's about people who live in the cities that are living on pharmaceutical cocktails that are having these transient sexual relationships all the time.
00:14:06.000 And the savages who live in the center of America that don't go along with this, that live in the old ways in their villages.
00:14:14.000 I mean, post-industrialization.
00:14:14.000 There's so much more to that.
00:14:17.000 It's after Ford.
00:14:18.000 So they believe the advent of the assembly line is the end of time.
00:14:24.000 Fortune was actually the currency of how good of a person you were.
00:14:29.000 Exactly.
00:14:30.000 Remember the quote in Brave New World, everybody belongs to everybody, masks sexual, the destruction of sexual norms.
00:14:35.000 Soma, right.
00:14:36.000 Yeah, Soma, that's exactly right. 0.62
00:14:37.000 I want to replay the Tom Cruise clip.
00:14:42.000 Again, you don't have to like Tom Cruise.
00:14:43.000 You don't have to agree with him.
00:14:44.000 You don't have to like everything that he's espoused.
00:14:47.000 But Cut 289, I have not heard anyone have the courage to say this on television.
00:14:51.000 Matt Lauer, and he had the courage to speak out against the pharmaceutical industrial complex.
00:14:54.000 And guess what?
00:14:55.000 This recent study did what, Jack?
00:14:56.000 Did it prove him right?
00:14:57.000 100% right.
00:14:58.000 289.
00:14:59.000 You benefited from one of those drugs.
00:15:02.000 All it does is mask the problem, Matt.
00:15:04.000 And if you understand the history of it, it masks the problem.
00:15:07.000 That's what it does.
00:15:09.000 That's all it does.
00:15:11.000 You're not getting to the reason why.
00:15:13.000 There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance.
00:15:16.000 That's not what I'm saying.
00:15:17.000 That's an alteration of what I'm saying.
00:15:19.000 I'm saying that drugs aren't the answer, that these drugs are very dangerous.
00:15:24.000 They're mind-altering, anti-psychotic drugs.
00:15:27.000 And there are ways of doing it without that so that we don't end up in a brave new world.
00:15:33.000 Don't end up in a brave new world.
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00:15:40.000 What actually brings you your news now?
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00:16:11.000 Wonder why they didn't report on the SSRI study?
00:16:15.000 Makes you wonder.
00:16:16.000 You know, it's almost interesting.
00:16:17.000 $50 billion industry.
00:16:19.000 You look at the opioids, right?
00:16:20.000 And we saw Frank Luntz's favorite drug, the opioids, right?
00:16:23.000 And this was pushed for years and years.
00:16:25.000 So many people were caught up in this.
00:16:27.000 The late great Rush Limbaugh.
00:16:29.000 Caught up in this, right?
00:16:30.000 And he was very open about that.
00:16:31.000 This decimated middle America. 0.62
00:16:34.000 And then finally, once the destruction had been done and once the money had been made, then we were finally able to talk about it.
00:16:42.000 My question is, are we now starting to see the beginning of a cycle that's similar to that with SSRIs?
00:16:49.000 I don't know.
00:16:50.000 Everyone, make prudent decisions.
00:16:52.000 I'm not telling you what to do with your life.
00:16:53.000 I'm simply making commentary.
00:16:54.000 There could be some very harsh consequences if you stop using this stuff immediately.
00:16:57.000 I'm not recommending them.
00:16:58.000 I'm with us.
00:16:59.000 It's my pastor, Pastor Rob McCoy.
00:17:01.000 How are you doing?
00:17:02.000 Good, Charlie.
00:17:03.000 It is awesome.
00:17:04.000 So just kind of, we're on Rumble.
00:17:05.000 They can see a little bit of this.
00:17:07.000 Describe what this whole thing is.
00:17:09.000 Just because not someone that is kind of, whoa, you arrive and you see it.
00:17:12.000 Young America awakening to conservative principles and they're excited about it.
00:17:12.000 Yeah.
00:17:16.000 And they're bringing their friends and the place is just a buzz with excitement and joy.
00:17:22.000 All last night walking around talking to these kids, I'm telling you, the energy level is through the roof.
00:17:27.000 It's awesome.
00:17:29.000 They love this country.
00:17:30.000 And a lot of them are Christian curious.
00:17:32.000 Yep.
00:17:33.000 They're looking, they're not sure what they believe, right?
00:17:33.000 Right?
00:17:33.000 Yep.
00:17:36.000 You know, the laws of nature and nature's God, rowing in the streams of liberty point to Christ because the law is a school teacher, Galatians 3, to point us to Christ until faith comes.
00:17:44.000 We get them in these streams of the laws of nature, nature's God.
00:17:47.000 Conservative comes from this idea of conserving that which God intended.
00:17:51.000 Then they come to faith.
00:17:53.000 And Charlie, you don't hold back your faith.
00:17:57.000 This is a secular 501c3, but you still allow them to understand that this is all a result of your love for God.
00:18:03.000 Amen.
00:18:05.000 So we have a great programming coming up.
00:18:07.000 Let's talk a little about TPUSA Faith.
00:18:09.000 We have an awesome pastor summit coming up.
00:18:09.000 Yeah.
00:18:11.000 Unbelievable.
00:18:12.000 And I think we still have a little bit of space.
00:18:14.000 It's basically packed.
00:18:15.000 But for people listening, you might be a pastor or NOAA pastor.
00:18:18.000 Rob, what are we going to go about trying to accomplish those couple days?
00:18:20.000 So you just had Dr. James Lindsay on.
00:18:24.000 He's fabulous.
00:18:25.000 He is.
00:18:25.000 So Dr. James Lindsay is the foremost guy on critical race theory, which most churches aren't prepared to deal with.
00:18:30.000 He'll be speaking at this pastor summit to equip the pastors because there's going to be more lockdowns.
00:18:35.000 They're coming after our religious liberty. 0.89
00:18:37.000 And it's equipping pastors for this next season because religious liberty is in jeopardy.
00:18:41.000 And these pastors be equipped with attorneys, with doctors, with Dr. James Lindsay.
00:18:46.000 And in addition, there'll be great Bible teaching.
00:18:48.000 And it's inspiring to let them understand that liberty is not man's idea.
00:18:52.000 It's God's idea.
00:18:53.000 Yes.
00:18:54.000 And so it'll be three days, August 10th, 11th, 12th.
00:18:56.000 Anyone wants to come?
00:18:57.000 In Coronado, California.
00:18:58.000 Pretty my birthplace.
00:18:59.000 Yeah, it's tpusa.com slash pastors.
00:19:03.000 Yep.
00:19:04.000 And it's for pastors only, right?
00:19:06.000 So a lot of congregants want to come.
00:19:07.000 Say, sorry, this one's not for you.
00:19:09.000 But if you are a pastor, you could apply to come.
00:19:12.000 And maybe there's someone listening right now that needs to hear that.
00:19:15.000 Absolutely.
00:19:16.000 And granted, it's filling up.
00:19:17.000 If it's not full already, it might already be full, but I might be able to make a couple.
00:19:20.000 Yeah, and there's and there will be attrition.
00:19:21.000 I mean, there'll be some dropouts, sir.
00:19:22.000 So you need to come to this.
00:19:24.000 And you know, Charlie, I've done pastors' events around the country with different organizations.
00:19:28.000 We barely advertise this and it filled up so quick because I know people are hungry for this.
00:19:33.000 The pastors need this.
00:19:35.000 It's jam-packed.
00:19:36.000 We have some amazing speakers.
00:19:37.000 I'll name them off.
00:19:38.000 Pastor Rob McCoy, Bill Federer, Bob McEwen, Chad Connolly, David Barton, who's special, Dr. James Lindsay.
00:19:44.000 Now, let's talk about this for a second.
00:19:45.000 Dr. James Lindsay is not a Christian.
00:19:46.000 No, he's an agnostic.
00:19:48.000 And some people are real, not some people, small, angry people are fired up.
00:19:52.000 Why are you having agnostic speak at a pastor's conference?
00:19:55.000 My take is one thing.
00:19:57.000 I'll let you go first, though, Rob.
00:19:58.000 I got a letter from folks that were reaching out because they'd heard a thing on CRN.
00:20:03.000 And I said, look.
00:20:04.000 Do you hold the same kind of judgment on the pilot who flies your plane?
00:20:08.000 Exactly right.
00:20:09.000 On the surgeon that works on you, do you demand their faith?
00:20:11.000 Because he's coming to speak about one issue, critical race theory.
00:20:14.000 He knows he's not going to venture into anywhere he doesn't.
00:20:17.000 And he's respectful of our faith.
00:20:19.000 Remarkably respectful.
00:20:20.000 Remarkably curious.
00:20:21.000 And curious.
00:20:22.000 And he's going to be surrounded by pastors who are going to share with him.
00:20:24.000 And he spoke in our church and he talked on critical race theory.
00:20:28.000 Nobody knows it better.
00:20:29.000 And his comment, if I was an angry atheist, I would use critical race theory to destroy the church.
00:20:34.000 He is a great asset to protect the church in America.
00:20:37.000 So I don't know what they're talking about. 0.95
00:20:38.000 Well, I think it's silly.
00:20:39.000 By the way, we have worship.
00:20:40.000 We have praise.
00:20:41.000 We'll have pastors prayer, beginning, and end.
00:20:42.000 Very clear about what we believe.
00:20:44.000 But also, again, just to kind of, if the best brain surgeon on the planet, let's say you needed brain surgery and an availability came up and you found out the brain surgeon was an atheist.
00:20:52.000 Yeah.
00:20:52.000 Would you not?
00:20:55.000 You get on an airplane and the pilot you entrust your life to, do you want them to be, you know.
00:20:55.000 Same thing.
00:20:59.000 Is there a religious test for that?
00:21:00.000 You want someone competent, obviously.
00:21:02.000 Competent.
00:21:02.000 And especially since there are no other experts in the field like James Lindsay, period.
00:21:06.000 No one even close.
00:21:08.000 And Pastor Vodie Bockham attributes Dr. James Lindsay's work to his book, Falcons.
00:21:14.000 Yes, and those are all, they're all phenomenal, but his full-time scholarship is this work.
00:21:18.000 It is postmodernism.
00:21:20.000 He was just on the show.
00:21:21.000 He was just rattling off stuff.
00:21:24.000 He gives me stretch marks on my brain.
00:21:25.000 And he footnotes everything.
00:21:27.000 Everything.
00:21:27.000 And he's charming and all that.
00:21:29.000 So he'll be speaking.
00:21:30.000 Frank Turek, great apologist.
00:21:32.000 Unbelievable and gracious.
00:21:33.000 I've never seen an apologist who's so kind with that guy.
00:21:36.000 I don't know if that's a combat of Frank or an indictment of apologist.
00:21:39.000 Or both.
00:21:40.000 Yeah, you know.
00:21:41.000 Yeah.
00:21:42.000 Yeah.
00:21:43.000 So we have you, obviously, Dr. Larry Arn from the wonderful Hillsdale College.
00:21:46.000 Yep.
00:21:46.000 CharlieForhillsdale.com.
00:21:48.000 Matt Staver from Liberty.
00:21:50.000 Liberty, First Liberty.
00:21:52.000 No, no, that's Kelly Shackelford.
00:21:54.000 It's a Liberty Council.
00:21:55.000 Liberty Council.
00:21:56.000 Micah Beckwith, pastor from Indiana.
00:21:58.000 Fearless pastor from Indiana.
00:22:00.000 He's wonderful.
00:22:01.000 We have Nick Vujac.
00:22:02.000 Yep.
00:22:03.000 Pastor David Engelhardt who's right there.
00:22:04.000 Turning point, you say, board member.
00:22:06.000 Sweet man and runs a church in Manhattan.
00:22:08.000 New York City of all places.
00:22:10.000 Amy Chen, who's going to be part of our educational panel with Dr. Lisa Dunn.
00:22:10.000 Fearless.
00:22:13.000 Pastor Gary Hamrick.
00:22:15.000 Yep.
00:22:16.000 Who's at Calvary Chapel?
00:22:18.000 Loudoun County, he's the one.
00:22:20.000 Loudon County.
00:22:20.000 Cornerstone.
00:22:21.000 Cornstone.
00:22:21.000 That's right.
00:22:22.000 Jack Hibbs, Calvary Chapel, Chino Hills.
00:22:22.000 Cornerstone, Calvary Chapel.
00:22:25.000 Yeah, he's the five-star in California.
00:22:27.000 Rebecca Friedrichs, talking about education as well on the panel there.
00:22:30.000 Pastor John Amanchuku.
00:22:32.000 Yep.
00:22:32.000 Great man.
00:22:33.000 It's a tough name to pronounce, but solid preacher.
00:22:36.000 Pastor John Randall from Calvary Chapel, San Juan Capistrano.
00:22:39.000 Ken Graves from Banger, Maine.
00:22:42.000 Ken Graves.
00:22:43.000 He's a cross between Leonidas and Shakespeare.
00:22:45.000 That's right.
00:22:45.000 We have coming up our turning point, you say, Pastor Summit, Luke Barnett.
00:22:48.000 Great man.
00:22:49.000 Dream City Church, phenomenal man, blessed by him.
00:22:52.000 Lilo Rose, who's going to just come talk about abortion, one of the leading advocates on that.
00:22:56.000 Pastor Rawl Rees, Pastor Rick Brown, Pastor Steve Smotherman from Legacy Church in Mexico, one of my all-time favorite people in the world.
00:23:03.000 Bob Tyler.
00:23:04.000 Tell us about Bob Tyler.
00:23:05.000 Bob Tyler is my attorney.
00:23:07.000 He had your back legally when everyone else ran for the Hills, right?
00:23:10.000 Yeah, when they ran for the Hills, Bob Tyler was there.
00:23:12.000 I remember telling him, you know, Bob, I know you can't counsel me to break the law, but I'm going to violate that restraining order because they named me in a thousand congregants or visitors if we opened our church during a lockdown.
00:23:23.000 And he said, I'll defend you.
00:23:24.000 And he's never left my side.
00:23:26.000 And he's been successful.
00:23:27.000 We won.
00:23:28.000 Rick Green, Patriot Academy.
00:23:29.000 Patriot Academy.
00:23:30.000 And that's the biblical citizenship classes that we're seeing across the country is a direct result of Rick Green and the contact we've got.
00:23:36.000 And he's just killing it.
00:23:37.000 I love it.
00:23:38.000 Sean Foyt, that man started worship protests on the Golden Gate Bridge during lockdowns, and he's traveled the country.
00:23:38.000 Sean Foyt.
00:23:44.000 He's been in Chicago.
00:23:45.000 He's so charming, isn't he?
00:23:47.000 But he's been in Portland.
00:23:48.000 This guy was in North Korea, Iraq.
00:23:50.000 There's nowhere he won't go.
00:23:51.000 There's no fear in this guy.
00:23:53.000 Victor Marks, obviously.
00:23:53.000 I love him.
00:23:54.000 And favorite.
00:23:55.000 And then Walter Hoy and Laura Hoy.
00:23:57.000 Yeah, those two talk about the Holocaust on the black community.
00:24:01.000 She's a statistician for the Golden State Warriors, the only black female in the NBA in that position.
00:24:06.000 And the work she does to point out the destruction of the black community. 1.00
00:24:10.000 She's a statistician for the Golden State Warriors.
00:24:12.000 Yep.
00:24:13.000 Well, I didn't know that.
00:24:14.000 Yeah.
00:24:15.000 Good for her for speaking at our deal, too.
00:24:16.000 Walter's been in prison for defending the unborn.
00:24:19.000 Yeah.
00:24:19.000 Really?
00:24:20.000 How so?
00:24:20.000 He was in Oakland protesting, and they came after him.
00:24:23.000 It's a cool story, but those two are precious.
00:24:26.000 Amazing.
00:24:27.000 So all of that is tpusa.com/slash pastors.
00:24:30.000 Now, some people will say, Rob, come on, the church shouldn't have to rise up.
00:24:33.000 The church shouldn't have to do any of this.
00:24:35.000 Why?
00:24:36.000 As Christians?
00:24:37.000 Liberty is not man's idea.
00:24:38.000 It's God's idea.
00:24:39.000 And from the moral law comes civil law.
00:24:41.000 And when our founders gave us the sovereignty by saying, We, the people of the United States, declaring that we're the sovereign in a constitutional republic, the very first amendment of the Bill of Rights, the first 16 words, most tortured, Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, was a protection that no government would come between God and man.
00:25:00.000 And then Hugo Black, Everson versus Board of Education, reversed it where it's freedom from religion.
00:25:05.000 And we've watched the moral decline of America.
00:25:07.000 The church has to step back into the public square.
00:25:09.000 That's what ecclesia means.
00:25:10.000 It means assembly, public square.
00:25:12.000 We've talked about that, Charlie.
00:25:13.000 And if the church, you talk about it beautifully.
00:25:15.000 Good government happens with good people.
00:25:17.000 If we don't get engaged, and look, if you believe in the separation of church and state, the state has now invaded the church.
00:25:21.000 So what are you going to do about it?
00:25:23.000 That's right.
00:25:24.000 So what about Romans 13, Rob?
00:25:26.000 Yeah, Romans 13.
00:25:27.000 I got that all the time when I was contending with the governor and the county.
00:25:32.000 Romans 13 says that God appoints all positions of authority and we're just to submit to that authority.
00:25:37.000 But it also goes on to say that they're there for our good.
00:25:40.000 And Jonathan Mayhew, a preacher that John Adams attributed the War of Independence to, coined the phrase disobedience to tyrants is obedience to God.
00:25:50.000 When he looked at Romans 13, he said, when they cease to do good, they cease to be the authority.
00:25:55.000 Romans 13 does not demand unlimited submission to tyrants.
00:25:59.000 And when the governor of the state of California says that the church is non-essential, violating the First Amendment and allowing abortion clinics, and in California, we don't just rip the baby apart in the mother's womb, flush its parts into the sewer system.
00:26:12.000 We harvest their organs before we do that. 0.98
00:26:15.000 That's essential to the governor, but not the church.
00:26:17.000 I'm sorry.
00:26:18.000 He didn't have the right to do that.
00:26:19.000 Jonathan Mayhew understood that.
00:26:21.000 So did our founders.
00:26:22.000 This is America.
00:26:23.000 We have the freedom of religion.
00:26:26.000 And I do not believe anywhere in the scriptures would it say that submission to evil is righteous.
00:26:33.000 It doesn't.
00:26:34.000 It says they're there for our good.
00:26:36.000 And also, but Bill Federer had an interesting wrinkle in this.
00:26:38.000 He did.
00:26:38.000 I think that blows it all apart.
00:26:40.000 Who's the sovereign in America?
00:26:41.000 Who's actually in charge?
00:26:42.000 We the people.
00:26:42.000 Yeah.
00:26:43.000 That's right.
00:26:44.000 Not the mayor.
00:26:45.000 Yeah.
00:26:46.000 And if you want to go further, it says that the authorities are ministers of justice to execute wrath on those who would do evil.
00:26:54.000 They don't carry the sword in vain.
00:26:56.000 If we're looking at the sovereign, then the ministers of justice would be the Second Amendment.
00:27:00.000 We have the right to defend ourselves.
00:27:01.000 That's right.
00:27:02.000 So it's all written in Romans 13, depending on who the players are.
00:27:06.000 When you look at that authority based on the preamble of the Constitution, it's we the people.
00:27:10.000 And so many pastors are starting to get it.
00:27:12.000 So, Rob, you know what I love is that I know, for example, at the pastor summit, we have a couple wokeys coming of people that are not, they're just kind of woke-ish and they're curious.
00:27:22.000 What's going to be what's the message that you would give to them or give the message for people out there of people that are saying, you know, I don't want anything to do with this.
00:27:31.000 You know, I believe in social justice and all that.
00:27:34.000 You know, I don't want to, what's the message?
00:27:36.000 First of all, I commend them for coming.
00:27:37.000 Secondly, pastors are peace-loving, but they're mistaken to think that peace is the absence of conflict.
00:27:42.000 It's not.
00:27:43.000 Peace is the presence of Christ in the midst of conflict.
00:27:45.000 We're contending for ideology.
00:27:47.000 So when they come, they're willing to be challenged and be open to seeing it this way.
00:27:52.000 And they're watching the state infuse themselves in the church, and they know more lockdowns are coming, and they want to be equipped.
00:27:59.000 So I commend them and any other pastor, just come and be challenged.
00:28:03.000 You don't have to take it all, but just come and see if it resonates with you.
00:28:06.000 Go through the buffet line.
00:28:07.000 Yeah.
00:28:08.000 There might be something for you.
00:28:08.000 There might be all of it for you, right?
00:28:10.000 Mike got an extra helping.
00:28:10.000 Yeah.
00:28:12.000 Exactly.
00:28:13.000 Rob, what happens if the church doesn't rise up?
00:28:15.000 We're going to lose a republic, and 86 cents of every dollar in evangelism comes from the United States.
00:28:19.000 You bind the strongman, they plunder the house.
00:28:21.000 Let's say that slower.
00:28:22.000 Sorry.
00:28:23.000 86 cents of every dollar in evangelism comes from the United States.
00:28:26.000 Yep.
00:28:27.000 So even if you were looking at this purely from a gospel perspective and you want to fund Bibles in Cameroon or fund orphanages in Sierra Leone, America falls, you're talking about the piggy bank for evangelism.
00:28:40.000 Exactly.
00:28:40.000 And, you know, if preaching the gospel is the most important thing, protecting the government that protects the preaching of that gospel is the second most important thing.
00:28:48.000 So basically, when someone says, I don't care about America, what they're saying is, I don't care about freedom.
00:28:53.000 Or just like you don't care about international ministry, right?
00:28:56.000 I mean, exactly.
00:28:57.000 Jesus said, I've come to set the captives free.
00:28:58.000 There isn't a freer nation on the face of the earth because we recognize rights come from God, not from man, and that must be protected, pastors.
00:29:05.000 It is up to pastors to do this.
00:29:06.000 And we're going to properly educate them that it was pastors that founded the American Republic.
00:29:12.000 The Black Robe Regiment.
00:29:13.000 It's a piece of history that is not talked about nearly enough.
00:29:16.000 Charlie, I know we're limited on time, but I just want to say thank you.
00:29:18.000 You've made this, Pastor, possible by awakening pastors across the country.
00:29:21.000 It's going to be big, Rob.
00:29:22.000 It is.
00:29:23.000 And I can't thank you enough.
00:29:24.000 Just the start.
00:29:25.000 We're going to do it all across the country.
00:29:26.000 Amen.
00:29:27.000 Rob, you were riffing on laws of nature, nature's God, natural law.
00:29:31.000 Floor is yours.
00:29:33.000 Okay, so in the Declaration of Independence, four times God is listed.
00:29:37.000 When in the course of human events becomes necessary, and as it goes through this, we see Jefferson writing it down, and then it goes through the 27 grievances.
00:29:44.000 And one of the grievances that was put in there, I think it was the third one that Jefferson himself penned was holding King George accountable for enslaving human beings and bringing them from their country of origin and abusing them.
00:29:57.000 And they didn't want it in the colonies, enforcing it upon the colonies. 0.85
00:30:00.000 It was North Carolina and Georgia that demanded that be removed, but he still placed endowed by our creator, and it was a promise that was going to be kept.
00:30:07.000 And there was a sunset clause on slavery.
00:30:10.000 So these founders, interestingly enough, people say, well, they were slaveholders.
00:30:13.000 They were.
00:30:14.000 But America's faults are universal, but her successes are unique. 0.96
00:30:18.000 Dennis Prager.
00:30:19.000 And these were slaveholders that wanted to abolish abolition of slavery.
00:30:24.000 And when we look at the law, and this is what I love, it's commemorated in a plaque in the stairwell of Harvard University, and they invoke it every year at graduation.
00:30:34.000 Maybe not now, but they did.
00:30:35.000 And it was from an early 1900 commencement speech.
00:30:38.000 And it basically said, the law is the wise restraints that make men free.
00:30:41.000 You apply restraints towards evil in order to pursue excellence.
00:30:44.000 So the law, the moral law, gives civil law.
00:30:47.000 When you apply restraints towards evil in order to pursue excellence, you have choices.
00:30:51.000 Liberty brings freedom.
00:30:52.000 Freedom is having choices.
00:30:54.000 But if the law isn't submitted to the moral law, meaning accountable to God who gives us these rules to set us free, then the law is used as a weapon to enslave man.
00:31:04.000 So in the 6,000 years of recorded history, everything's been an oligarchy.
00:31:08.000 But here, 246 years under a constitutional republic where we are the sovereign, accountable to God, based on that First Amendment and protected by our founders, so that the press would report the truth, the pulpits would proclaim it, and the people would live it in speech and not be worried.
00:31:23.000 We're on Rumble because YouTube censored me.
00:31:27.000 And this is unprecedented in American history.
00:31:31.000 And so I just have to say, the idea that we must protect the freedom of speech and the freedom of religion is critical.
00:31:39.000 And the church, listen, our founders gave pastors that mantle to proclaim the truth and to protect the government that protects the preaching of that truth.
00:31:48.000 And if we do not stand and if we're not vigilant, we're going to lose these freedoms.
00:31:53.000 We cannot be apathetic.
00:31:55.000 60 to 1,080 evangelical Christians, half of which aren't registered to vote, and of the half that are registered to vote, only half of those vote, 25%, not all of them vote correctly.
00:32:04.000 Right.
00:32:05.000 And 12% in a non-presidential election.
00:32:07.000 It is, it's, it's awful.
00:32:08.000 It's a massive just opportunity and also deficit that exists right now.
00:32:13.000 Structural deficit in more ways than one.
00:32:16.000 And we're going about and everywhere we can to try to fix that.
00:32:20.000 He who knows the good to do and does not do it, to him, it is sin.
00:32:24.000 Now, do you want a revolution?
00:32:26.000 Do you want your children to be enslaved?
00:32:27.000 Do you want them to have forced vaccinations?
00:32:29.000 Do you want their schools to be shuttered?
00:32:31.000 You know the good that needs to be done.
00:32:33.000 You've got to contend in the public square for the sake of the next generations.
00:32:36.000 Amen.
00:32:40.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.
00:32:41.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:32:44.000 Thank you so much for listening.
00:32:45.000 God bless.
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