00:00:00.000Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Pastor Rob McCoy joins us, my pastor, America's pastor, to talk about our upcoming Turning Point USA Faith Pastors Summit, TPUSA Faith.
00:00:11.000We're live from the Student Action Summit in Tampa, Florida.
00:00:14.000And also, we kick off this conversation, this episode, I should say.
00:00:17.000Jack Pasobic, email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:00:20.000You're probably so used to me promoting SAS at the beginning of these episodes.
00:00:23.000So I'm not going to do that anymore because it's happening right now and you missed out on it.
00:00:47.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:55.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:02:18.000And you see the kids and you see everybody out.
00:02:21.000And it's like, and the thing kills me too is these people who quote unquote make their living reporting on the right wing and the right wing reactionaries and everything they're doing to radicalize our youth.
00:02:34.000How many of them are actually here at the event talking to people just from a pure journalistic standpoint, right?
00:02:42.000There's some that are coming right in.
00:04:25.000But I said, it's the problem with that I keep getting asked when I meet young people at these things and when we chat is they've got more information than ever, right?
00:05:04.000And then when you can center your life, your actual life around these things, you will live a better life.
00:05:10.000And obviously, on top of all of that is belief in our creator, in belief in God, and understanding that we do all of this work to honor him.
00:05:19.000So, Jack, you've been focusing on a story that I'm actually equally passionate about.
00:05:24.000And it got almost no, it got some media coverage, but it should have been a bombshell story, kind of like the biggest story in the last six months.
00:05:32.000Okay, $15 billion a year antidepressant industry may not actually help depression.
00:05:40.000This is, and this is, and I've talked to a few other folks about this.
00:05:45.000I think this is one of those sleeper stories where the story has come out, the study has now come out on this SSRI thing, the serotonin link, and it hasn't, it's so big that it hasn't yet saturated the market, hasn't yet saturated sort of the information space.
00:06:02.000And so I don't even think the audience understands the implications of what we're seeing here in this story.
00:06:06.000Charlie, for 20 years in this country, we've been told that depression is caused by a lack of serotonin causing a chemical imbalance.
00:06:17.000It's called the chemical imbalance theory.
00:06:19.000And all your SSRIs, right, these reuptake inhibitors of serotonin, the idea is that all the antidepressants that are being prescribed, your Zoloft, your Prozac, everything for 20 years.
00:06:31.000And I had Dr. Malone on the other day and we were talking about this.
00:06:35.000It's all been predicated on this theory that chemical imbalance causes depression and that is caused by a low rate of serotonin.
00:07:02.000And they have no reason to come to the conclusion that they did, meaning that this is a big revelation.
00:07:07.000It is a massive revelation that you've been told, like we've been sold alive for all these years.
00:07:12.000When you look at the millions of people across the country that are on these antidepressants and they are prescribed them because they go to the psychiatrist and psychiatrist says, well, it looks like you've got a chemical imbalance.
00:07:25.000So me being me, I didn't tell you this before, but my thought was always, when I heard there's a chemical imbalance, I said, well, how are you measuring the brain chemicals?
00:07:36.000Like, what, do you have like a meter that you're going in and you're checking the brain chemicals?
00:07:41.000You know, you can see now they say they do brain scans, but that's very rare.
00:07:45.000And based on neurologists, they say even the brain scans are not even able to tell.
00:08:06.000Now, for example, you could look at a brain scan of someone on heroin or someone that has a dopamine deficiency.
00:08:12.000That's not what we're talking about here.
00:08:13.000We're talking about serotonin, which is a tryptophan type of, it's a derivative of what you would have a tryptophan, relaxes you, happiness.
00:08:23.000Jordan Peterson kind of made serotonin popular again by saying sit up straight with your shoulders back.
00:10:48.000And the percentages that have always he his point was these issues have always been in the data.
00:10:56.000And this has been something that he and others have been banging the drum on when it comes to big pharma for years.
00:11:01.000But of course, the problem is the money machine gets behind it because they realize that all of this, and of course, in the United States, one of the only countries in the world where we're allowed to advertise for big pharma, right?
00:12:16.000He used to say it every day, vitamin A, B, C, and D. We've gotten so far away from this idea that we just need vitamins that I think that people actually believe that they need pharmaceutical cocktails.
00:12:28.000If you're on SSRIs right now, it's a judgment-free zone.
00:12:31.000But I also want to say talk to a doctor.
00:12:33.000If you just stop taking them immediately, you could have some serious health effects worse than what I'm articulating right now.
00:12:38.000There's some major wean off issues as well.
00:12:40.000You could be on benzos, whatever it is.
00:12:41.000This is one of the most powerful drugs.
00:12:42.000I'm not judging any that we've ever done.
00:12:44.000I'm simply commenting on a super interesting story that I believe plays into a narrative that I think is true of the over-prescribing, over-medicating of America.
00:12:53.000And so, judgment-free zone, you know, everyone's different.
00:12:56.000Everyone seeks their own advice and all that.
00:12:58.000But there might be people watching, I know there are, that might be thinking about taking these drugs, that I think this segment might be really helpful for you.
00:13:57.000It's about people who live in the cities that are living on pharmaceutical cocktails that are having these transient sexual relationships all the time.
00:14:06.000And the savages who live in the center of America that don't go along with this, that live in the old ways in their villages.
00:17:36.000You know, the laws of nature and nature's God, rowing in the streams of liberty point to Christ because the law is a school teacher, Galatians 3, to point us to Christ until faith comes.
00:17:44.000We get them in these streams of the laws of nature, nature's God.
00:17:47.000Conservative comes from this idea of conserving that which God intended.
00:20:44.000But also, again, just to kind of, if the best brain surgeon on the planet, let's say you needed brain surgery and an availability came up and you found out the brain surgeon was an atheist.
00:22:49.000Dream City Church, phenomenal man, blessed by him.
00:22:52.000Lilo Rose, who's going to just come talk about abortion, one of the leading advocates on that.
00:22:56.000Pastor Rawl Rees, Pastor Rick Brown, Pastor Steve Smotherman from Legacy Church in Mexico, one of my all-time favorite people in the world.
00:23:07.000He had your back legally when everyone else ran for the Hills, right?
00:23:10.000Yeah, when they ran for the Hills, Bob Tyler was there.
00:23:12.000I remember telling him, you know, Bob, I know you can't counsel me to break the law, but I'm going to violate that restraining order because they named me in a thousand congregants or visitors if we opened our church during a lockdown.
00:23:30.000And that's the biblical citizenship classes that we're seeing across the country is a direct result of Rick Green and the contact we've got.
00:24:39.000And from the moral law comes civil law.
00:24:41.000And when our founders gave us the sovereignty by saying, We, the people of the United States, declaring that we're the sovereign in a constitutional republic, the very first amendment of the Bill of Rights, the first 16 words, most tortured, Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, was a protection that no government would come between God and man.
00:25:00.000And then Hugo Black, Everson versus Board of Education, reversed it where it's freedom from religion.
00:25:05.000And we've watched the moral decline of America.
00:25:07.000The church has to step back into the public square.
00:25:27.000I got that all the time when I was contending with the governor and the county.
00:25:32.000Romans 13 says that God appoints all positions of authority and we're just to submit to that authority.
00:25:37.000But it also goes on to say that they're there for our good.
00:25:40.000And Jonathan Mayhew, a preacher that John Adams attributed the War of Independence to, coined the phrase disobedience to tyrants is obedience to God.
00:25:50.000When he looked at Romans 13, he said, when they cease to do good, they cease to be the authority.
00:25:55.000Romans 13 does not demand unlimited submission to tyrants.
00:25:59.000And when the governor of the state of California says that the church is non-essential, violating the First Amendment and allowing abortion clinics, and in California, we don't just rip the baby apart in the mother's womb, flush its parts into the sewer system.
00:26:12.000We harvest their organs before we do that.
00:26:15.000That's essential to the governor, but not the church.
00:27:02.000So it's all written in Romans 13, depending on who the players are.
00:27:06.000When you look at that authority based on the preamble of the Constitution, it's we the people.
00:27:10.000And so many pastors are starting to get it.
00:27:12.000So, Rob, you know what I love is that I know, for example, at the pastor summit, we have a couple wokeys coming of people that are not, they're just kind of woke-ish and they're curious.
00:27:22.000What's going to be what's the message that you would give to them or give the message for people out there of people that are saying, you know, I don't want anything to do with this.
00:27:31.000You know, I believe in social justice and all that.
00:27:34.000You know, I don't want to, what's the message?
00:27:36.000First of all, I commend them for coming.
00:27:37.000Secondly, pastors are peace-loving, but they're mistaken to think that peace is the absence of conflict.
00:28:27.000So even if you were looking at this purely from a gospel perspective and you want to fund Bibles in Cameroon or fund orphanages in Sierra Leone, America falls, you're talking about the piggy bank for evangelism.
00:28:40.000And, you know, if preaching the gospel is the most important thing, protecting the government that protects the preaching of that gospel is the second most important thing.
00:28:48.000So basically, when someone says, I don't care about America, what they're saying is, I don't care about freedom.
00:28:53.000Or just like you don't care about international ministry, right?
00:28:57.000Jesus said, I've come to set the captives free.
00:28:58.000There isn't a freer nation on the face of the earth because we recognize rights come from God, not from man, and that must be protected, pastors.
00:29:33.000Okay, so in the Declaration of Independence, four times God is listed.
00:29:37.000When in the course of human events becomes necessary, and as it goes through this, we see Jefferson writing it down, and then it goes through the 27 grievances.
00:29:44.000And one of the grievances that was put in there, I think it was the third one that Jefferson himself penned was holding King George accountable for enslaving human beings and bringing them from their country of origin and abusing them.
00:29:57.000And they didn't want it in the colonies, enforcing it upon the colonies.
00:30:00.000It was North Carolina and Georgia that demanded that be removed, but he still placed endowed by our creator, and it was a promise that was going to be kept.
00:30:07.000And there was a sunset clause on slavery.
00:30:10.000So these founders, interestingly enough, people say, well, they were slaveholders.
00:30:19.000And these were slaveholders that wanted to abolish abolition of slavery.
00:30:24.000And when we look at the law, and this is what I love, it's commemorated in a plaque in the stairwell of Harvard University, and they invoke it every year at graduation.
00:30:54.000But if the law isn't submitted to the moral law, meaning accountable to God who gives us these rules to set us free, then the law is used as a weapon to enslave man.
00:31:04.000So in the 6,000 years of recorded history, everything's been an oligarchy.
00:31:08.000But here, 246 years under a constitutional republic where we are the sovereign, accountable to God, based on that First Amendment and protected by our founders, so that the press would report the truth, the pulpits would proclaim it, and the people would live it in speech and not be worried.
00:31:23.000We're on Rumble because YouTube censored me.
00:31:27.000And this is unprecedented in American history.
00:31:31.000And so I just have to say, the idea that we must protect the freedom of speech and the freedom of religion is critical.
00:31:39.000And the church, listen, our founders gave pastors that mantle to proclaim the truth and to protect the government that protects the preaching of that truth.
00:31:48.000And if we do not stand and if we're not vigilant, we're going to lose these freedoms.
00:31:55.00060 to 1,080 evangelical Christians, half of which aren't registered to vote, and of the half that are registered to vote, only half of those vote, 25%, not all of them vote correctly.