The Charlie Kirk Show - When To Get Angry: My Appearance at Grace Woodlands Church

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00:00:59.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:01:01.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.

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00:01:41.000 Well, Charlie, welcome to Grace.

00:01:43.000 Thanks for being here tonight.

00:01:44.000 Thank you.

00:01:45.000 Beautiful church.

00:01:46.000 Honored to be here.

00:01:46.000 Thank you.

00:01:47.000 So we're going to jump right in.

00:01:50.000 And I just want to say that all of the questions I'm asking tonight are my questions.

00:01:56.000 Charlie or his organization hasn't given me any questions to go by.

00:02:03.000 And not many people would do that.

00:02:04.000 You're pretty brave.

00:02:05.000 I haven't even seen them.

00:02:06.000 That's exactly right.

00:02:08.000 So you will be hearing them when I hear them.

00:02:11.000 So extemporaneous.

00:02:13.000 Let's start with some buzzwords.

00:02:15.000 Let's start with the word woke.

00:02:17.000 You told a group of pastors to, quote, exorcise the woke demon from the American church.

00:02:24.000 Yes.

00:02:24.000 So I thought I'd start with something like.

00:02:26.000 Do you like that?

00:02:27.000 That's good.

00:02:30.000 So how do we define woke?

00:02:32.000 One way to define it that I like is call everything racist till you control it, which is a pretty good definition.

00:02:39.000 Also, woke is basically an affront to the natural law.

00:02:42.000 And so that which is woke is against the design of God, against the design of the natural order, against the logos, as John starts.

00:02:52.000 And woke typically can also be summarized as saying ideas so insane you need a doctorate to understand them.

00:02:59.000 Ideas that when a plumber or electrician hears them, who actually has to work in the natural world and the real world, they think that they're completely outrageous.

00:03:09.000 For example, woke would be believing in black only dormitories or that men can give birth.

00:03:15.000 This idea of woke, by the way, the idea that men give birth is now in our military and in our government.

00:03:20.000 It's everywhere.

00:03:22.000 And the ideas of the woke come from postmodernism and post-structuralism, but they're actually deeper than that, which is exactly why what we are doing at TPUSA Faith, I think, is so important.

00:03:32.000 This is the same exact spiritual struggle that we see laid out in the first 11 books of Genesis, the foundation of our existence.

00:03:41.000 This is how Satan plots and plans and deceives.

00:03:45.000 And he has launched a virus, literally, not the Fauci virus, the woke mind virus, to destroy the greatest nation ever to exist in the history of the world.

00:03:55.000 Wokeism manifests itself in the religion of tolerance, in the religion of the cult of anti-racism, in the religion of earth worship, all of which are completely against Christianity, which built Western civilization the greatest project in self-government in human history.

00:04:12.000 And so, yes, it is morally incumbent on every pastor in America to extrocise, to excommunicate, is actually the term I like even better, the demons of the woke.

00:04:24.000 Evil should not be tolerated in the American church.

00:04:32.000 Well, CRT has invaded everything.

00:04:37.000 So, what would you say to that?

00:04:39.000 Yeah, I mean, it's widespread.

00:04:41.000 It's institutionalized.

00:04:42.000 The tumor has metastasized, and it's happened because good people have allowed evil to spread.

00:04:50.000 And we've allowed the cult of anti-racism to take over our schools.

00:04:54.000 Now, you might say, well, Charlie, I didn't allow it.

00:04:56.000 Okay, but I mean more generally.

00:04:59.000 I believe that the only way to stop evil is to stop evil, that it will not stop on its own momentum or its own volition.

00:05:07.000 It's going to require good people with courage and boldness to stand up against what seems to be an overwhelming force and to say stop.

00:05:16.000 And so that's why I say, you know, one of the fake religions that are replacing Christianity in America is the religion of tolerance.

00:05:23.000 I do not believe tolerance to be a Christian value.

00:05:26.000 I don't.

00:05:27.000 This is a fake teaching.

00:05:29.000 I believe you can have compassion.

00:05:30.000 You can have love.

00:05:32.000 I will not tolerate young people having their breasts removed and call it gender-affirming care.

00:05:38.000 That is evil.

00:05:38.000 I have no tolerance for evil.

00:05:40.000 And you shouldn't either.

00:05:42.000 And so CRT is just one of several of these ideologies that have come into our schools, come into our military, come into our institutions.

00:05:53.000 And it's not easily defeated, but it can be defeated.

00:05:58.000 And it goes against everything that is the promise of Western civilization, which is basically all thanks to our Christian inheritance.

00:06:06.000 Christian inheritance believes that everybody is made of the image of God.

00:06:10.000 Wokeism believes that you are an accident of Darwinian evolution.

00:06:14.000 The Christian inheritance of the West believes in natural rights.

00:06:17.000 The woke or the wokeys or the left postmodernists believe that you are part of a tribal group.

00:06:24.000 They're directly at odds with one another.

00:06:26.000 And so CRT has spread, and now it's time for us to remove the tumor.

00:06:35.000 You mentioned gender choice.

00:06:39.000 If when I was your age, if anyone in my generation, someone had mentioned gender choice, they would have looked at you like you'd lost your mind.

00:06:49.000 And yet here we are, it's invading our day.

00:06:51.000 What do you say to that?

00:06:53.000 Yeah, and that's also happened, I think, because we've allowed it to happen.

00:06:57.000 But let's examine the philosophical underpinnings that have even entertained the main argument that make the trans, the trans deal satiable, Which is that you get to determine your own values, morals.

00:07:14.000 And we actually see it laced into a lot of kind of the one-liners where we say, Well, who am I to judge?

00:07:19.000 Or live and let live or you know what's best for you.

00:07:23.000 Now, those things can generally be true when you're choosing food or diet choices or what sports team.

00:07:28.000 But post-1960s, there was a way overemphasis on the individual being elevated above the beautiful, the true, and the good, and the proven.

00:07:40.000 And basically, this hyper-individualism manifested, of course, in a very robust economy.

00:07:46.000 But also, we saw this in kind of what we call the hippie movement called 1960s liberalism, where it's, I am the most important thing in the world.

00:07:53.000 Don't tell me what to do with my own self.

00:07:55.000 And again, in some ways, that's very attractive, and it can be consistent with Western values to an extent, where all of a sudden it starts to fall apart, and where it gets very dangerous is all of a sudden when you start to shred the entire Christian basis of your existence, and then you have to rebuild your values in place of that.

00:08:15.000 And so, for example, you know, you look at some of these people that are wearing woman face, right?

00:08:20.000 These men that are appropriating womanhood, and they say, Well, this is who I really am.

00:08:26.000 That inside my feelings dictate this.

00:08:29.000 Now, traditionally, we would never allow somebody's own personal feelings or delusions to determine our own independent actions.

00:08:38.000 If somebody has an imaginary friend, they don't get an extra seat on an airplane, they're delusional.

00:08:47.000 We don't accommodate society because somebody is living in an imaginary world.

00:08:53.000 And there is a treatment protocol that should be given that can be compassionate and clear to get somebody back into alignment with biological reality.

00:09:02.000 There's a great quote by Saint Augustine, who I just love, Augustine of Hippo, where he said, Those who argue with reality live in hell.

00:09:11.000 And the entire trans movement is about reality doesn't define me.

00:09:16.000 I get to determine my own reality.

00:09:19.000 And we as Christians need to be the guardians of reality.

00:09:23.000 We're the ones, I cannot emphasize how all-encompassing the word logos is.

00:09:29.000 We kind of, it's interpreted as the word in John 1 in the beginning was the word, and the word was God, and the word became flesh.

00:09:35.000 But it really is logos.

00:09:36.000 It means cosmological order, it means purpose to existence.

00:09:40.000 It means that you are not here by mistake.

00:09:42.000 It means that there's a natural law, that there's a harmony, that you are not God.

00:09:46.000 The Greeks pondered over this word.

00:09:48.000 It actually came from Ephesus.

00:09:49.000 The first time that word was ever uttered was by a Greek philosopher who said, There is a logos, there is a harmony, there is something bigger than you.

00:09:57.000 And then, you know, the epistle of John, John says, not only is there a logos, but the logos came to be a human being to save you from your own broken nature.

00:10:06.000 Like, whoa, that's massive.

00:10:08.000 That the harmony of the cosmos, the divine, the beautiful, the once distant God came into the broken, fleshly form.

00:10:17.000 That's a concept that even human brains can't totally comprehend.

00:10:21.000 And that's one of the reasons why Christianity is true.

00:10:24.000 And so, what we have is these kind of incantations that are repeated that emphasize that you matter more than God.

00:10:35.000 And yes, you do matter, but you have a duty to the divine and a duty to an order.

00:10:40.000 And it's interesting because should we ever say that somebody is making a mistake when we know they're doing something wrong?

00:10:48.000 But sometimes we stop short and we say, oh, no, no, they know what's best for them.

00:10:52.000 That's silly, and I'll prove it to you.

00:10:54.000 That any doctor who would give liposuction to someone who's anorexic should lose their license.

00:11:02.000 They don't need liposuction, but they think they're fat.

00:11:05.000 But they're demanding a medical procedure to accommodate their mental delusion.

00:11:10.000 That's exactly the same thing that we're doing to a 12-year-old who thinks they're something they are not.

00:11:16.000 It's the doctor's role not to affirm their delusion.

00:11:19.000 Instead, it's their role to challenge their delusion and to get them back into reality.

00:11:25.000 Not to accommodate their fiction.

00:11:29.000 And so that takes courage and clarity of thought.

00:11:33.000 But if you believe in a moral construct where the individual is always right regardless of what reality dictates, that's how you get into moral chaos.

00:11:44.000 And let me just be very clear.

00:11:46.000 Sometimes, and we're going to do questions.

00:11:48.000 Some people say, well, Charlie, how does it impact you, somebody in their own home, who thinks that they are a man when they're really a woman?

00:11:55.000 No one is actually debating that.

00:11:57.000 You can have your own imaginary friend, your own delusions, your own private struggles with reality.

00:12:04.000 The real debate is why do you want me to reaccommodate society for your delusion?

00:12:10.000 Why do you want me to create a bathroom so that men can go to all of a sudden say, well, I think I'm something, therefore I should be able to be around women.

00:12:19.000 That is tyrannical in nature.

00:12:21.000 That is what we have to call the totalitarianism of the minority.

00:12:27.000 That somehow we must reconfigure a rather functional society that we used to have.

00:12:33.000 Because a bunch of people have mental problems.

00:12:36.000 I'm not making fun of the fact they have mental problems.

00:12:38.000 I hope they have help.

00:12:39.000 They're made in the image of God.

00:12:40.000 But you do not all of a sudden tell people that are generally highly functional, that are generally ordinary, that if you're a bunch of women, you have to compete against men because that man might somehow be at risk for self-harm if you don't reaccommodate their society.

00:12:55.000 That is against justice.

00:12:57.000 That is against the principles that we stand for as Christians.

00:13:05.000 So what about the cancel culture that when people start or think about standing up, they are silenced?

00:13:16.000 And that's really one of the main issues, right?

00:13:19.000 I mean, I experience part of it.

00:13:23.000 I mean, we're very, very blessed at Turning Point USA and on my podcast and radio program.

00:13:29.000 You mean you're so timid that the cancel.

00:13:32.000 Well, yeah, I'm very timid.

00:13:33.000 You know, I am always...

00:13:34.000 We've noticed that.

00:13:35.000 Yeah, I'm not controversial at all.

00:13:40.000 And I'll actually talk about that later, which I think if you want to be happy, speak your mind and do it boldly because you're never a prisoner to somebody else's thought tyranny.

00:13:51.000 And you'll just be a happier person, honestly.

00:13:54.000 A lot of depression in the conservative side, I believe, comes from having to police your own speech, which is policing your thoughts, which means you're not free.

00:14:02.000 So you're living in a labyrinth of the left.

00:14:05.000 And so just stop doing that, right?

00:14:07.000 Just say what you believe and tell people to stop.

00:14:10.000 I don't care what you believe, and you'll be out of the shackles of totalitarianism.

00:14:15.000 So do that.

00:14:18.000 But anyway, that's a separate issue.

00:14:23.000 The crux of what we're talking about here as far as cancel culture is twofold.

00:14:29.000 Actually, ties into what I just said.

00:14:30.000 The number one form of censorship in America is you shutting up you.

00:14:36.000 I admire Dennis Prager greatly.

00:14:38.000 He's one of my heroes.

00:14:39.000 And he's a religious Jew who wrote probably the most powerful Old Testament commentary of this generation, the Rational Bible.

00:14:47.000 I encourage you guys to read it.

00:14:48.000 As a Christian, it will really deepen your faith and open your eyes to insights that I certainly wasn't taught in Bible school.

00:14:56.000 But one of the things he said when he visited the Soviet Union is that unlike any other country he visited, he's been to 168 countries.

00:15:03.000 When he was in the Soviet Union under Soviet control, you know, pre-wall falling, that whenever somebody recognized him as an American, they would always look over their shoulder to make sure they weren't being listened to before they talked to him.

00:15:15.000 Because they were very worried about what other people would say or other people would think, in fact, they're talking to an American.

00:15:20.000 That's exactly what the country we live in now today, isn't it?

00:15:24.000 How often are you afraid of wearing a shirt that might offend somebody?

00:15:28.000 And again, that is the tyranny of the radical minority, which is somehow I have to change my behavior because of your sensitivity.

00:15:36.000 But the problem is that it's not just that they're sensitive, it's also that they're willing to use power to crush you.

00:15:43.000 So you have sensitive people that have been told that they're victims and they become the victimizer.

00:15:48.000 And so these are people that are told they're oppressed and then they immediately are saying, okay, conservatives are Mussolini, which gives me an excuse to act like Mussolini.

00:15:59.000 And we've seen this manifest in cancel culture.

00:16:03.000 I don't love the term that I understand the essence of it.

00:16:05.000 It really is just outright tyranny, is that I'm going to use power to crush people that I disagree with.

00:16:12.000 The best way we can fight back against cancel culture, in my personal opinion, is kind of do what I said, which is I'm going to say whatever I believe.

00:16:19.000 I don't care if you kick me out.

00:16:19.000 I don't care if you fire me.

00:16:20.000 I'm going to wear what shirt I want to wear.

00:16:22.000 I'm going to wear what hat I want to wear.

00:16:23.000 And I'm going to be disagreeable at times.

00:16:25.000 And so what?

00:16:26.000 That's it.

00:16:27.000 I'm going to be respectful, but I'm going to be disagreeable for truth.

00:16:29.000 Sorry.

00:16:30.000 Like, I'm not going to put up with your nonsense.

00:16:34.000 And then the second thing is this, which is we have to create our own institutions that support our voices and our heroes.

00:16:42.000 And that's a deeper topic, but support places like Rumble, support places that actually platform voices that believe what we believe and see the world the way we do.

00:16:56.000 So the culture war, are we winning or we losing?

00:17:00.000 We're losing.

00:17:01.000 And we can't have hopium.

00:17:03.000 Hope and opium mixed together feels really good, but it's not good for you.

00:17:10.000 We're definitely losing on some fronts.

00:17:11.000 We're winning on some fronts.

00:17:12.000 I'm not going to say, you have to look at the battlefield more generally.

00:17:16.000 There's some fronts that I see a lot of promising development.

00:17:19.000 I see homeschooling doubling in the last couple of years.

00:17:21.000 That's really amazing.

00:17:22.000 And that's going to bear fruit.

00:17:23.000 Love our homeschoolers.

00:17:25.000 Love it.

00:17:26.000 I see 35 million Americans that refused despite threats, subsidies, outright extortion to take an mRNA gene-altering shot, 35 million people.

00:17:40.000 It's a big deal.

00:17:42.000 That shows that there's a remnant.

00:17:43.000 There's a remnant of liberty in this country.

00:17:46.000 But look, I'm also, I'm not going to lie to you.

00:17:48.000 I respect you too much.

00:17:49.000 You come here and spend your time on a weeknight to learn that they control the FBI.

00:17:54.000 They control the New York Times.

00:17:55.000 They control the government.

00:17:56.000 They control almost every tech company.

00:17:58.000 They control the corporations.

00:17:59.000 They control the college campuses.

00:18:01.000 They control Hollywood.

00:18:02.000 They control professional athletics.

00:18:03.000 I mean, they have captured every major institution, right?

00:18:06.000 The only thing they haven't captured is those 35 to 40 million liberty lovers that resist these awful ideas at every corner and every turn.

00:18:14.000 And that drives them crazy.

00:18:15.000 So here's the good news.

00:18:17.000 Despite the fact that they're currently winning, if the scoreboard were to show wokies versus patriots, wokies would definitely be up.

00:18:23.000 Plenty of time left on the scoreboard to save the republic, right?

00:18:26.000 But despite the fact that they're quote-unquote winning, they've never been unhappier, more paranoid, more unstable than they are now.

00:18:33.000 These people are, and I think it's a spiritual vacuum, obviously.

00:18:38.000 There's an emptiness, right?

00:18:39.000 They don't know the Lord.

00:18:40.000 They don't believe in God.

00:18:41.000 They don't believe in what we believe in.

00:18:43.000 So there's just a lot of unhappiness and lack of joy as a byproduct of that.

00:18:49.000 But their meaning comes from trying to crush you.

00:18:52.000 Their meaning comes from trying to make your life more difficult.

00:18:56.000 That's why they just kind of get so excited at even the prospect of indicting Donald Trump, that somehow, if we're able to indict Donald Trump, that my life is going to be somewhat better.

00:19:05.000 And that's a really sick existence, right?

00:19:06.000 That you're able to put a former president in handcuffs for the first time in American history, and that's going to make your day.

00:19:13.000 Like, that's really twisted.

00:19:15.000 I got to be honest, especially on just kind of invented, fabricated crimes, right?

00:19:19.000 It's just the whole thing is so silly.

00:19:21.000 But yeah, look, you have to be honest.

00:19:22.000 So, how do we win back the culture war?

00:19:25.000 Well, I think we're in the actual institution that the left has not completely taken over that can win this thing back.

00:19:31.000 If the American church stood boldly and courageously, we retake the lead in the culture war.

00:19:38.000 And if we're honest with ourselves, most American churches, most not all, you go to a great church here.

00:19:45.000 This is a fabulous church, by the way.

00:19:47.000 You guys should really be proud of this church.

00:19:49.000 Most American churches are filled with cowards.

00:19:52.000 They might be nice people.

00:19:53.000 They might be good people, but they might be cowards.

00:19:56.000 They're probably cowards.

00:19:57.000 And that's okay.

00:19:57.000 You can be a nice coward.

00:20:00.000 The cool thing about being a coward is you could change it immediately.

00:20:02.000 Does he have to go to university?

00:20:04.000 It just takes a choice to be courageous.

00:20:06.000 That's what's so beautiful about battlefield literature.

00:20:08.000 I love reading about this: you never know who in the platoon is going to end up being courageous.

00:20:13.000 I have never served, and I talked, you know, we have amazing veterans that serve on our security detail, and God bless our veterans.

00:20:20.000 And what I have gleaned over the years by asking them questions is that despite the machismo or all this, you never quite know who's going to be the courageous one when the bullets start firing.

00:20:31.000 And that it's an interesting thing, right?

00:20:33.000 It's a person you might least expect, sometimes you most expect.

00:20:35.000 But courage is a decision.

00:20:37.000 It's a choice.

00:20:37.000 It's a pattern of action.

00:20:39.000 And every single person can choose to be courageous tonight.

00:20:42.000 It is the highest of all the virtues, Aristotle believed, because without courage, there are no other virtues, right?

00:20:48.000 So, what is courage?

00:20:49.000 How do I define it?

00:20:50.000 Courage is doing the right thing regardless of the cost.

00:20:53.000 That is courage, okay?

00:20:54.000 Doing something moral, doing something good, doing something beautiful, regardless of the penalty that you might pay.

00:20:59.000 That is courage.

00:21:00.000 It's lacking in the country.

00:21:01.000 But look, in the culture war, what does the church have to do?

00:21:04.000 Cowardly pastors have to resign, and righteous, bold pastors have to be raised up to preach the word of God and to defend liberty in a time such as this.

00:21:16.000 So, since you brought that up, you did a clip on how to tell if you have a cowardly pastor.

00:21:25.000 Address that.

00:21:25.000 I hope you don't qualify.

00:21:26.000 No, I'm kidding.

00:21:28.000 Me too.

00:21:29.000 I'm interested here.

00:21:30.000 Yeah, no, okay.

00:21:31.000 Very simple.

00:21:31.000 Did your pastor mention or celebrate the reversal of Roe versus Wade?

00:21:37.000 And if the answer is no, you got a problem.

00:21:40.000 It's that simple.

00:21:41.000 50 years of prayer, fasting, tithing, activism of the Christian community to try to stop the slaughter of the unborn, and a pastor can't even mention it because they're afraid of offending somebody.

00:21:52.000 How about this?

00:21:52.000 Did your pastor close for more than a month, month and a half?

00:21:55.000 This church should not.

00:21:56.000 This church only closed a week and opened boldly and did a prayer ceremony for 12 days.

00:22:04.000 Does your pastor, when talking about political matters, all of a sudden start to change the octave of their tone?

00:22:12.000 Do they start to say, Now, everybody, I know this is really something, and they slow down.

00:22:21.000 Coward, get him out.

00:22:26.000 Does your pastor say this?

00:22:29.000 I only preach the gospel.

00:22:32.000 I don't do politics.

00:22:33.000 Coward, get him out.

00:22:35.000 And by the way, I'm not asking you to be political.

00:22:38.000 I'm asking you to be biblical because the Bible covers all of these issues.

00:22:48.000 Is your pastor mentioned at least once or twice the fact that thousands of kids are being preyed on by these pediatric gender reassignment reaffirming clinics?

00:22:56.000 If not, got to find a new pastor.

00:22:57.000 It's one of the great threats to biological reality in our time.

00:23:00.000 And most pastors will not say a thing about how God's design is being slaughtered by these secular humanists every single day.

00:23:07.000 Won't say a thing.

00:23:09.000 I could go on, by the way.

00:23:10.000 But the final thing is this.

00:23:11.000 Does your pastor not only encourage you to vote, tell you it's a biblical mandate to vote, but tell you that you must vote in harmony with biblical principles of three major things.

00:23:22.000 That the church should never be deemed non-essential again.

00:23:25.000 That life begins at conception and God created man and woman.

00:23:28.000 If your pastor does not do that, you got to find a new pastor or find a new church.

00:23:34.000 Did you pass the test, Pastor?

00:23:37.000 I think so.

00:23:38.000 Well, let me tell you this.

00:23:39.000 You kind of get a little bit of a pass.

00:23:41.000 You're having Charlie Kirk and TPSA Faith at your church.

00:23:44.000 So you're at a pretty high level here in my book.

00:23:47.000 So most pastors wouldn't even, I'll just tell you a true story.

00:23:51.000 A church in Arizona, I really want to say the name, but I won't because we're trying to remedy this.

00:23:56.000 But we have this amazing program all set.

00:23:58.000 We're going to bless them with free of charge men's summit.

00:24:01.000 We have an amazing men's summit that we do, by the way, where we change men's lives.

00:24:05.000 We're raising up biblical, strong men in the tradition of, you know, Joshua and Moses and Daniel.

00:24:12.000 And we have this whole thing set.

00:24:14.000 And the church comes back and they say we have to back out because Turning Point USA and Charlie Kirk are too controversial.

00:24:19.000 And we had this whole thing planned and we told them to go to heaven.

00:24:22.000 And, you know, so and there were other words said too, but that was it.

00:24:31.000 And so God bless you for having us.

00:24:33.000 It means a lot because most churches wouldn't even think about it.

00:24:43.000 You mentioned Roe v. Wade.

00:24:44.000 Talk about the importance and impact of abolishing that.

00:24:50.000 Oh, I mean, it's huge.

00:24:51.000 I mean, here in Texas, you guys have really, we have the Texas Right to Life group here somewhere.

00:24:56.000 They've done a fabulous job.

00:24:57.000 I saw them.

00:24:57.000 I don't know if he's still here, but they deserve to be applauded.

00:24:59.000 They're doing a great job.

00:25:01.000 So let's talk about it.

00:25:03.000 Genesis 1.26 and 127.

00:25:06.000 Not only is it an Old Testament proof of the Trinity because it says, let us in the Hebrew, which is obviously the Trinity.

00:25:13.000 It's not God talking to the angels or God talking to the animals.

00:25:15.000 It's the Trinity talking.

00:25:17.000 So anyway, that's a separate issue.

00:25:19.000 But let us make man in our image.

00:25:23.000 And so therefore, we are image bearers of the divine.

00:25:27.000 That is such an unbelievably different philosophical and moral argument than anything you will hear at a secular university.

00:25:33.000 And so it's a very basic thing.

00:25:35.000 This is why it drives me nuts when pastors say, well, I'm not political.

00:25:37.000 You don't know anything.

00:25:38.000 Okay?

00:25:39.000 First of all, what is politics?

00:25:40.000 What is a human being?

00:25:41.000 How do you appropriate power?

00:25:42.000 All politics is, is to decide who gets power and when and how.

00:25:46.000 That's all politics is.

00:25:47.000 It's really simple, right?

00:25:48.000 We kind of messy it up with Republican and Democrat and all this.

00:25:51.000 Politics is community.

00:25:53.000 So instead of saying politics, ask your pastor, do you talk about community?

00:25:56.000 Oh, yeah, I love community.

00:25:58.000 Okay.

00:25:58.000 Then who gets power in our community?

00:26:01.000 How should we determine who gets power in our community?

00:26:04.000 That's all politics is.

00:26:06.000 Politics is the business of the city, literally, if you go back to the Greek.

00:26:09.000 Anyway, so the question of what is a human being is a question that the Greeks wrestled with, and Aristotle was so close, and he really inspired Thomas Aquinas in so many ways.

00:26:19.000 But Aristotle argued without even reading the Old Testament scriptures that we know of, he said that we are the speaking beings.

00:26:25.000 We're the ones with the logos, rational speech, the ability to reason.

00:26:28.000 And he was right about that.

00:26:29.000 But the scriptures are even more clear that we are made in the image of God.

00:26:33.000 And therefore, if we're made in the image of God, we're able to speak and create, which is exactly right, because 25 verses previous, we learned that creation comes through speech, right?

00:26:40.000 God spoke it into existence, God spoke it into existence, God spoke it into existence.

00:26:44.000 No animal or beast of the earth is able to do that except human beings.

00:26:49.000 We are the highest of all the beasts, as the Greeks would say.

00:26:51.000 The Bible would say it differently.

00:26:53.000 You're made in the image of God.

00:26:54.000 Therefore, you have a soul.

00:26:56.000 Therefore, you have a date with eternity.

00:26:58.000 Therefore, you're more than a random combination of cells.

00:27:01.000 You're not an accident.

00:27:03.000 You're intentional.

00:27:04.000 It's a big difference.

00:27:07.000 If you believe that human beings are an accident, a random combustion of cells that come together, then why not crush the ones you don't want?

00:27:17.000 Now, what's the argument?

00:27:18.000 It's the same argument that every secular totalitarian used in the last 100 years.

00:27:24.000 I believe that I don't like these people.

00:27:26.000 I don't think there's anything exceptional about them, anything special about them.

00:27:30.000 I'm going to crush them because all I care about is power.

00:27:33.000 What the Bible argues, not just the Old Testament, the whole Bible argues, is something so different, that it's an image-bearer made with a direct purpose, and God is four things.

00:27:43.000 Okay?

00:27:43.000 God is many things.

00:27:44.000 The best way I could describe God in a way that really pushes back against pagan polytheism.

00:27:50.000 Because people say, well, Charlie, how would you describe God?

00:27:52.000 Describe God.

00:27:53.000 It's like, boy, that's a big question.

00:27:54.000 So here's the best way I could do it.

00:27:56.000 God is above nature.

00:27:57.000 God is personal.

00:27:58.000 God is holy.

00:27:59.000 And God is personal.

00:28:00.000 God is personal.

00:28:00.000 God is holy.

00:28:01.000 God is above nature.

00:28:02.000 And boy, there's one more.

00:28:03.000 I'll think about it in a second.

00:28:05.000 And God is moral.

00:28:06.000 That's right.

00:28:06.000 God is moral.

00:28:07.000 God is personal.

00:28:07.000 God is holy.

00:28:08.000 And God is above nature, right?

00:28:09.000 Personal is a big deal.

00:28:11.000 That God yearns to have a personal and intimate relationship with each and every one of you.

00:28:15.000 He wants you to come on home, right?

00:28:18.000 And so if you are massacring a million of your fellow countrymen every single year, you are terminating a million image bearers.

00:28:25.000 That's a million souls.

00:28:27.000 That's not a million accidents of Darwinian evolution.

00:28:30.000 That's not a million rolls of the dice.

00:28:32.000 That's a million souls that all of a sudden you believe you're more important than, that my convenience matters more than.

00:28:39.000 That is you playing God, which is exactly why the people that support abortion also support the trans thing.

00:28:45.000 It is directly consistent.

00:28:47.000 The same sort of moral darkness, the same sort of moral brokenness that pushes people to say it's okay to crush a baby in the womb think it's okay to exert their will to try to change a man into a woman.

00:28:59.000 It's just war on God's natural design by different means.

00:29:03.000 The society that allows you to crush the infant in the womb because it's small or an inconvenience thinks it's perfectly fine to give hormone blockers to an 11-year-old or a 12-year-old.

00:29:12.000 And so, look, it's the great question of our time, which is, are we willing to use courageous and bold action, politics, community, government, to say that the least of these that Jesus commanded us to protect and say, hands are off limits, you're not a touch, are they willing and deserving of our protection?

00:29:29.000 And the reversal of Roe versus Wade was the great moral advancement of our time.

00:29:34.000 Praise God.

00:29:35.000 Thanks to Christians and churches that actually did something about it.

00:29:38.000 The problem and the issue, based on a non-scientific survey that we did amongst our radio audience, is 90 to 95% of pastors and churches were too cowardly to mention it or celebrate it.

00:29:50.000 What should have happened should have been weeks or months long of fasting and prayer, thanking God, Jehovah, Adana, that we were able to repeal the horror of Roe versus Wade, and babies and image bearers are now going to be able to breathe.

00:30:04.000 Instead, the American church rolled their eyes, shrugged their shoulders, and said, I don't want to offend the suburban wine mom that comes because she might have had an abortion when she was young, and my tithes and offerings might go down and I can't have bigger buildings and I can't have bigger budgets and I can't have my latte bar in the lobby.

00:30:21.000 Therefore, I'm not going to mention it.

00:30:30.000 Yeah, it was amazing here on that Sunday morning.

00:30:34.000 I didn't even get the whole announcement out and the place erupted.

00:30:39.000 Praise God for your courage, Frank.

00:30:41.000 I mean that.

00:30:42.000 You deserve credit for that.

00:30:43.000 You should be applauded for that.

00:30:44.000 That's a big deal.

00:30:46.000 It is the victory of our lifetime.

00:30:49.000 And it took prayer and it took multi-generational thinking.

00:30:53.000 And I'm going to say something that some of you won't like, but I want you to pray on it, okay?

00:30:59.000 The people that gave us that Supreme Court decision were Catholic.

00:31:02.000 And I know there's a lot of anti-Catholic beliefs out there, but there's something that we as evangelicals can learn from Catholics.

00:31:07.000 I am not Catholic, okay?

00:31:09.000 My mom was raised Catholic.

00:31:10.000 My grandma was one of the most devout Catholics.

00:31:12.000 She loved the Lord, and she accepted Jesus as her Lord and Savior.

00:31:15.000 And I believe she's in heaven.

00:31:16.000 I believe that firmly.

00:31:17.000 However, I do not believe in a lot of, obviously, Catholic theology.

00:31:21.000 But you know what the Catholics did 40 or 50 years ago?

00:31:21.000 I'm not a Catholic.

00:31:23.000 They built for the future.

00:31:25.000 They built Catholic schools and they poured into their young.

00:31:28.000 And guess what?

00:31:29.000 Praise God they did that because now you have Clarence Thomas and you had Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett who gave you that decision.

00:31:36.000 You think about it, that's actually a really interesting thing.

00:31:38.000 Why is it that we, I think Gorsuch might be Protestant.

00:31:42.000 How is it possible that the Christians on the Supreme Court are all Catholic?

00:31:46.000 And you got to give the Catholic Church credit for all their problems and all their issues.

00:31:50.000 They believed in multi-generational education and they did a good job.

00:31:54.000 And I think we need to take a page from that book and learn that that can be a moral good for society.

00:32:00.000 Let's turn to tragedy for just a second.

00:32:02.000 The latest school shooting.

00:32:04.000 Yeah.

00:32:07.000 Yeah.

00:32:08.000 Not easy to talk about.

00:32:09.000 I did a whole radio program on it today.

00:32:11.000 Obviously a tragedy and totally horrific.

00:32:14.000 The media is very quick to talk about guns.

00:32:16.000 We could talk about guns if you guys want.

00:32:19.000 But the New York Times is more worried about gendering the killer.

00:32:25.000 The New York Times came out today and issued an apology saying that we previously gendered the killer as a female and the killer wanted to be a man.

00:32:34.000 And so we apologize.

00:32:37.000 That's sick.

00:32:38.000 That's evil.

00:32:41.000 You got six dead people, three dead kids, three dead adults, and they're yearning over gender pronouns.

00:32:50.000 Look, there's a disturbing trend of shooters, Aberdeen, Colorado Springs, and others, that are kind of in that mental delusion of being trans.

00:33:03.000 That is something I'm unfortunately, I don't see any pattern of slowing down.

00:33:07.000 There's a call on April 1st for, quote, a trans day of vengeance.

00:33:11.000 Trending on Twitter last week was the alphabet mafia, the trans people, going on Twitter with imagery that said trans equality, five pictures of guns, dot, dot, dot, or else, which is a threat.

00:33:25.000 Was yesterday the or else?

00:33:27.000 We'll find out.

00:33:27.000 I don't know.

00:33:28.000 The manifesto has been scooped up by the FBI.

00:33:31.000 Was this a targeted hate crime against Christians?

00:33:33.000 Probably.

00:33:34.000 Probably.

00:33:35.000 Yeah.

00:33:35.000 The media won't mention that, so they're going to move on very quickly.

00:33:38.000 The same way that the Kenosha Christmas parade was a targeted hate crime against Christians, and no one talks about that or thinks about that.

00:33:46.000 And so it's a tragedy.

00:33:47.000 It's horrific.

00:33:48.000 Of course, guns aren't the problem here, and we could talk about that at great length, and they're going to use it as an excuse.

00:33:54.000 But will we actually have a serious conversation?

00:33:57.000 The answer is, of course, no, about whether or not making people with a mental delusion and a mental illness believe that there is a quote-unquote trans genocide might turn them to erratic and violent behavior, because it's exactly what's happening.

00:34:11.000 And I'll give you a true example of this.

00:34:13.000 I lived through this two or three weeks ago.

00:34:15.000 Many of you probably saw, maybe you didn't, my mostly peaceful campus event at University of California, Davis.

00:34:21.000 Did you guys see it or not?

00:34:23.000 It's in some ways not worth getting into all the details.

00:34:26.000 There is one detail that is worthy, though, of talking about.

00:34:29.000 A trans person activist tweets out that I support the lynching of trans people.

00:34:34.000 That's a lie.

00:34:35.000 It's against my beliefs.

00:34:36.000 I do not support it.

00:34:37.000 We're going to sue them for it.

00:34:38.000 The whole thing is totally messed up, right?

00:34:39.000 But it's an internet rumor.

00:34:40.000 It gets seen by 6 million people.

00:34:42.000 But Sacramento Bee picks it up, and then the head of the school picks it up.

00:34:45.000 They repeat it: violent mob comes with weapons, assault police officers.

00:34:48.000 But that's the same kind of playbook that we're seeing play out macro, which they just make this stuff up, and they don't care about the violence that then ensues.

00:34:56.000 And so there is a repeated mantra and a narrative that they say it's a trans genocide, it's a transgenocide.

00:35:03.000 And you have these people that are very unstable that are on testosterone replacement therapy that believe it, and then they commit these mass shootings.

00:35:11.000 That's a serious problem, everybody.

00:35:13.000 And the media will not touch this with a 10-foot poll.

00:35:16.000 And I'm sorry, if you guys blame every mentally deranged shooter who also said they were a Christian for Christianity, I now have a total license to ask the question of whether or not this even entertaining of this trans delusion is creating unnecessary violence in dead children.

00:35:35.000 And I'm not going to back down from asking that question: does giving testosterone to children make them erratic?

00:35:43.000 Does it make them more violent?

00:35:44.000 Does it make them more aggressive?

00:35:46.000 Does giving serotonin disruptors, SSRIs, make people more mentally unstable?

00:35:53.000 Does giving people benzodiazepans or Zoloft or Prozac, is that a good idea to somebody that also exhibits these mental issues and these mental conditions?

00:36:03.000 Final thing I'll say with this: I do not understand for the life of me.

00:36:06.000 I personally have a daughter now, praise God, she will never go to a school that does not have multiple armed guards and a single point of entry.

00:36:12.000 Period.

00:36:14.000 I'm not telling you how to raise your kids.

00:36:16.000 I don't know how you do it, parents, if you send your kid to somebody that does not have, and you say, oh, you want your kid to go to a place that has an armed guard, the fortification of America?

00:36:25.000 You want your money guarded by people with no guns?

00:36:29.000 So your money can have armed guards.

00:36:31.000 Your airlines can have armed guards.

00:36:33.000 You go to George Bush, you got armed guards everywhere, but our children don't have armed guards.

00:36:38.000 I don't get it.

00:36:39.000 I don't understand it.

00:36:41.000 It's not going to happen through legislation because our politicians are weak.

00:36:44.000 I'm just asking you, for any of you that are on boards of schools, you have to demand immediately single point of entry, armed guards.

00:36:50.000 If our money deserves armed guards, our kids deserve armed guards in America.

00:37:00.000 So we're seeing news reports all over the country of parents who have had it with local school boards.

00:37:06.000 They're standing up, pushing back, running for office.

00:37:09.000 Speak to that.

00:37:11.000 This is one of the beautiful things in the culture war because I know I painted a rather bleak picture.

00:37:15.000 It's not all bad.

00:37:15.000 I said we're losing that that we've lost.

00:37:17.000 Okay, I want you to be very clear.

00:37:18.000 Those are two distinct things.

00:37:20.000 One of the most promising things happening in America is moms and dads rising up in the parents' party to challenge what's happening in local school boards.

00:37:28.000 And for those of you out there that are doing this, God bless you, what you are doing is bold and moral and important and courageous and needs to continue.

00:37:37.000 And we're really seeing the separation of the perverts party and the parents' party.

00:37:43.000 These people are outright groomers.

00:37:45.000 What they have in our schools, they are pushing outright pornography on these kids.

00:37:49.000 Go and read the books yourself.

00:37:50.000 It is graphic.

00:37:51.000 You know, it's so interesting.

00:37:53.000 I really am so blessed.

00:37:55.000 I love my day job because I have a human laboratory of millions of people throughout a month to be able to see how people act.

00:38:02.000 Our podcast, our radio show, we're on Real America's Voice every day.

00:38:05.000 If you guys ever want to watch us, we have a lot of fun.

00:38:07.000 I'm sure some of you guys watch it.

00:38:09.000 And so I start reading some of the pornographic stuff that is in these schools.

00:38:15.000 And I start putting it up on the live stream with an explicit warning, this is bad.

00:38:20.000 And I'm getting emails from listeners saying how offended they are that I'm airing it on my program.

00:38:28.000 And I got really mad because I said, why aren't you mad that kids are being exposed to this in your local school board?

00:38:37.000 They're emailing me.

00:38:38.000 How dare you play?

00:38:40.000 You know, you read about how they're training nine-year-olds to have oral sex, which is a real thing, by the way.

00:38:45.000 Like, how dare you air that?

00:38:46.000 Look, I don't enjoy putting that on my program.

00:38:50.000 But maybe you should direct, I don't know, the righteous indignation at the school board that is putting that into curriculum at your local school.

00:38:56.000 Not the radio host that is exposing it.

00:39:00.000 Hello?

00:39:02.000 And so they say, well, Charlie, you can't engage in the profanity.

00:39:08.000 I'm not.

00:39:10.000 If you are getting angry at me, then why would you not get motivated to protect a child and their innocence?

00:39:15.000 Anyway, it's really, it's a stunning thing.

00:39:17.000 I haven't quite figured out the human psychology behind that.

00:39:20.000 Any theories you have of somebody who's willing to send an angrily worded email to the radio host for exposing it, but not willing to go to the school board that is protecting and defending it.

00:39:30.000 I am open.

00:39:31.000 I am all ears to where that sort of strange moral universe comes from.

00:39:35.000 But it is good and it needs to accelerate.

00:39:38.000 We have to kick the groomers off these school boards.

00:39:41.000 Any teacher that preys on children sexually must be fired.

00:39:47.000 And we must be relentless.

00:39:48.000 They're going after our kids.

00:39:49.000 This is not an isolated social contagion.

00:39:52.000 And so a couple things.

00:39:53.000 The micro and the macro.

00:39:56.000 I am going to homeschool our daughter for as long as we can.

00:39:59.000 Okay?

00:40:00.000 If we ever send our daughter to private school, they will have armed guards, will be classically trained, all that stuff.

00:40:05.000 But if you're not able to homeschool or send a private school or public school, I totally understand that.

00:40:11.000 Not everybody has the financial ability to do it.

00:40:13.000 I totally get it.

00:40:14.000 I still believe, though, that the public schools should not be forgotten.

00:40:19.000 I do not believe the public schools should just be abandoned.

00:40:23.000 I believe that you must still show up at the school boards, even if you've never sent a kid to that school district.

00:40:28.000 I still think that if you're a taxpayer, you as a citizen have a moral right, an obligation to care about your fellow countrymen that is being indoctrinated in a government school right down the road, regardless of what you do with your kid.

00:40:40.000 However, the ideal is your own personal kid that you are a steward of, that you are a custodian of, I would get them the heck out of government schools and homeschool them if you can.

00:40:51.000 In the micro.

00:40:51.000 In the macro, do everything you can to try to change these schools.

00:40:55.000 For other people's kids, maybe your kid, because what's happening there is pure wicked.

00:41:05.000 So what's the role of the church if the nation is to be turned around?

00:41:09.000 That's a great question.

00:41:10.000 I love how simple and wise your questions are.

00:41:13.000 Sometimes I do these events and it's these long, elaborate things, and it's very, very powerful.

00:41:18.000 We have to go back to the scriptures.

00:41:20.000 I get a lot of objections, and it's so funny.

00:41:23.000 They never want to debate me in person.

00:41:24.000 It's always kind of like these op-eds they write, and they just run to the...

00:41:29.000 So someone says, Charlie, nowhere in the Bible does it say to get involved in politics, which is, I don't know what Bible they're reading.

00:41:34.000 It's like an Andy Stanley Bible where they only read where he says, I don't do the Old Testament.

00:41:45.000 It's a true quote.

00:41:46.000 Andy Stanley, who calls himself a pastor.

00:41:49.000 I'm sorry if I'm bothering you, but I have to go into this.

00:41:52.000 So, okay, good.

00:41:54.000 Andy Stanley, who calls himself a pastor, says that you guys get the exact quote.

00:41:59.000 I never want to be imprecise, but he says, Christianity is more than the complexity of 66 books.

00:42:05.000 It's about the testimony of Jesus of Nazareth, which of course is somewhat true.

00:42:11.000 But then if the Old Testament didn't matter, then why did Jesus quote Deuteronomy more than any other book?

00:42:17.000 So to understand Jesus, you should probably understand Deuteronomy.

00:42:20.000 Anyway, that's probably way too complex for Andy Stanley, who hasn't said anything insightful or wise in a couple decades.

00:42:27.000 So anyway, the people like him who are intellectual midgets and cowards say that we've got to stay out of politics, got to stay out of the culture war and all this.

00:42:35.000 So I have to wonder, I say, wait a second, what do you do with Esther, Nehemiah, Jeremiah?

00:42:40.000 What do you have to do with Daniel?

00:42:42.000 What do you have to do with Old Testament and New Testament characters as well, mostly Old Testament, that were counselors to the king for God's purpose?

00:42:51.000 That God called us to counsel the king towards virtue.

00:42:54.000 Were they wrong?

00:42:55.000 Were they incorrect to actually contest for righteousness?

00:43:01.000 Were they making a mistake when they were trying to influence the king for the good?

00:43:06.000 Should we remove them from the scriptures?

00:43:08.000 What is the argument for that?

00:43:10.000 And so what is the role of the church?

00:43:13.000 We have to reassert what the founding fathers believed was what was going to preserve liberty in America, which was an act of church.

00:43:21.000 And James Madison, John Adams, wrote routinely that liberty is only as good as the people who believe in it.

00:43:28.000 But the backstop was that they thought as long as the church was robust and was clear in biblical teaching, then people could then have self-government.

00:43:37.000 They believed the church was the fail-safe.

00:43:40.000 And when the church stops being that, then the whole civilization starts falling apart.

00:43:44.000 What is the role of the church?

00:43:45.000 Let's become counselor to the king again.

00:43:48.000 Let's lean in.

00:43:49.000 Let's call good from evil.

00:43:51.000 Let's do Psalm 97, 10.

00:43:53.000 If you love God, you must hate evil.

00:43:56.000 And so, and then finally, we must run for political office.

00:43:59.000 We must influence our political leaders.

00:44:01.000 We must contest for righteousness.

00:44:03.000 And the church must be in an active posture in this way, must be calling out all these different things that are happening in society, exposing the deeds of darkness as it tells us to do in Ephesians 5.

00:44:14.000 And kind of one final point.

00:44:16.000 What is the role of the church?

00:44:17.000 The role of the church must understand that the entire civilization, the greatest civilization ever to exist, which is Western society, will fall apart if we remain cowardly, complicit, and we remain in a position of just neutrality.

00:44:32.000 We must get into an active attitude, active posture.

00:44:36.000 And this church is one of the ones that are doing it.

00:44:38.000 What does that look like?

00:44:39.000 Take a page from Billy Graham.

00:44:41.000 Billy Graham called Marxism Satan's religion.

00:44:45.000 How many pastors today are willing to say that?

00:44:48.000 Well, I don't want to offend anybody.

00:44:50.000 If you don't want to offend anybody, you're in the wrong line of business because when you talk about eternal matters, I don't know, Luke 15.

00:44:58.000 I did not come here to unite but divide.

00:45:01.000 Not exactly John Lennon post-1960s, live and let live, rolling hills, kumbaya Christianity.

00:45:08.000 Look, I believe we should love all people.

00:45:10.000 I believe God loves all people.

00:45:12.000 I also believe that not all people are going to heaven.

00:45:14.000 That's a harsh but true teaching.

00:45:16.000 And so if you don't want to offend somebody, go do something, go sell cars or something.

00:45:21.000 I don't know.

00:45:21.000 Well, actually, that actually might offend somebody.

00:45:23.000 I don't know.

00:45:24.000 We have some great people that own car dealerships here.

00:45:26.000 I don't know if that offends anybody.

00:45:29.000 What you're really telling me is that you're not cut to lead the ministry, and that's okay.

00:45:35.000 So I think we have to have a purging of the American ministry.

00:45:38.000 I really do.

00:45:39.000 That the cowards have got to go.

00:45:41.000 New bold, courageous teachers have to rise, and that we have to act against evil for righteousness.

00:45:56.000 So I've lived long enough to have lived through much of the open racial conflict in our nation, and I'm shocked at the seeming focus back on attempting to divide the nation by race.

00:46:15.000 That's correct.

00:46:15.000 It's Satan.

00:46:19.000 The country I grew up in no longer exists, sadly.

00:46:21.000 I went to a high school in the suburbs of Chicago that was 53% Hispanic.

00:46:26.000 There was over 60 countries represented.

00:46:28.000 I was actually a racial minority as a white individual, and no one cared about race.

00:46:32.000 No one talked about it.

00:46:33.000 No one commented on it.

00:46:34.000 It meant nothing growing up.

00:46:35.000 up.

00:46:35.000 Nothing.

00:46:36.000 It was a beautiful country to grow up and it was a great community.

00:46:39.000 The community is now dead.

00:46:40.000 CRT has infested that school, Wheeling High School District 214, CRT, white privilege seminars, racial reconciliation.

00:46:46.000 All they talk about is race all day long.

00:46:48.000 We have Robin D'Angelo who wrote White Fragility who said, quote, last week, it's time for blacks to separate themselves from white people.

00:46:57.000 At Grand Valley State University, Columbia University, and many others, they have black-only graduation ceremonies where white people are not allowed.

00:47:04.000 At hundreds of universities across the country, they have black-only dormitories where white people are not allowed.

00:47:10.000 This is not just an idea.

00:47:11.000 This is now policy, okay?

00:47:13.000 I hope you understand that.

00:47:14.000 This is not just a bunch of bad ideas because I get that objectional, Charlie.

00:47:18.000 This is a bunch of academic fervor.

00:47:19.000 No, no, this is now actually how we're configuring society.

00:47:22.000 You understand that, right?

00:47:24.000 We are inches away from white bathroom, black bathroom, like really close.

00:47:29.000 And this is an interesting, and the whole canon of the word of God speaks to this.

00:47:36.000 But let's talk about, let's talk about in the book of Exodus in particular, once God delivers his people from tyranny.

00:47:44.000 He has to continually command his people to love the stranger.

00:47:49.000 He has to continually say to love somebody who's different than you.

00:47:55.000 Why?

00:47:55.000 Because it doesn't come easily.

00:47:57.000 Tribalism is the norm.

00:48:01.000 God was telling the Hebrews repeatedly, the people of Israel, that yes, I'm speaking to you and through you, but you're not the only ones on this earth.

00:48:10.000 And you've got to expand beyond.

00:48:12.000 You've got to love all people.

00:48:13.000 You got to love people that look different than you, that think different than you, that speak differently than you.

00:48:17.000 And Paul said it beautifully.

00:48:20.000 It doesn't matter your race, your creed, never slave, nor Greek, nor Jew, but you're all one in Christ Jesus.

00:48:26.000 That is an argument for human equality more beautiful than anything I've heard anything come out of the university in the last hundred years.

00:48:31.000 But they don't believe in human equality.

00:48:34.000 And this is controversial to say, but I say it because it's important.

00:48:38.000 And you guys come here to hear me tell you things that other people don't say.

00:48:42.000 A lot of this is rooted in anti-whiteness.

00:48:44.000 And I don't delight in saying that, but there is a bitter hatred of white people in this country that is manifesting itself in a very serious and pernicious way.

00:48:53.000 This is not about racial harmony.

00:48:55.000 This is not about trying to wound, you know, put up racial wounds.

00:49:00.000 There is a group, not everybody, of academics that call for the outright abolition of white people and saying that whiteness and white culture is what's wrong with it.

00:49:11.000 I don't even acknowledge white culture.

00:49:13.000 I don't even know what that means, but they're the ones that are using bigoted phrases and terminology against another racial group to what I believe.

00:49:21.000 I think they're trying to start a race war in this country.

00:49:24.000 And number one, we shouldn't take the bait, but this is why I get so angry at pastors because they have no idea the satanic influences behind these ideas.

00:49:33.000 They have no clue when they even toy with this wokeism and this postmodernism and dividing people by race.

00:49:40.000 They don't know Jacques Derrida from Michelle Foucault to Gene Stefanik to Derek Bell.

00:49:45.000 They don't know any of these post-act.

00:49:47.000 They don't know any of these thinkers.

00:49:48.000 They have not read intradocritical race theory.

00:49:50.000 They have not read One Dimensional Man, but they did see a BLM Instagram post and they thought they were a cool, skinny gene-wearing pastor and they wanted to win over their millennial congregants who were half drunk hungover anyway from the night before.

00:50:02.000 Like, I'm really cool because I believe black lives matter.

00:50:05.000 Okay, Judas Smith.

00:50:06.000 Like, you should resign.

00:50:06.000 You're an intellectual and moral coward.

00:50:09.000 And, oh, am I not allowed to say that?

00:50:17.000 Levi Lusko, Judas Smith, all these people should resign.

00:50:21.000 Rick Warren, they're all a waste of time.

00:50:24.000 And you might say, oh, Charlie, you're not allowed to say that.

00:50:27.000 I'm sorry.

00:50:28.000 I don't play by the rules that you guys play by.

00:50:30.000 I don't like evil.

00:50:31.000 And when a pastor embraces evil, I'm going to call it out.

00:50:34.000 Okay?

00:50:34.000 So anyway, the essence of this is that the race thing is the ticking time bomb.

00:50:41.000 I went through the five fake religions yesterday at Texas Christian University, earth worship, the religion of power, the religion of tolerance, scientism.

00:50:49.000 But the one that bothers me the most, the one that is the ticking time bomb, the one that could set off like a match, is the return to tribalism.

00:50:56.000 It is an affront to every commandment of the Bible.

00:51:00.000 God wants his people to live in harmony.

00:51:02.000 He does not look at people based on race, does not look at people based on tribe.

00:51:06.000 And it is the religion of anti-racism, the cult of diversity.

00:51:10.000 And it is so dangerous.

00:51:11.000 And I could tell you why it's dangerous.

00:51:13.000 Because the people pushing it the most are not black and they're not Hispanic.

00:51:17.000 They're angry, secular white liberals that are looking for meaning.

00:51:20.000 These are self-hating people that are pushing the religion of anti-racism.

00:51:25.000 There are a few apparatchic, you know, kind of black academics.

00:51:29.000 But guess what?

00:51:30.000 The majority of black people think this is crazy.

00:51:34.000 The majority of black and Hispanic people actually don't hate white people.

00:51:38.000 But the majority of upper middle-class white liberals hate themselves.

00:51:43.000 And they do not believe in God.

00:51:44.000 And they believe in a secular, pagan, polytheistic replacement religion that requires you to atone for something you never did, but you look like somebody that did something bad 150 years ago.

00:51:56.000 That is outright evil, period.

00:51:59.000 And we as Christians must stand against it.

00:52:07.000 Just two more things.

00:52:09.000 The first one is you've talked about the nature of the conflict as being spiritual.

00:52:15.000 Sir.

00:52:15.000 I do believe there's an invisible war brewing all around us.

00:52:18.000 I think everything we see manifests in the physical has spiritual elements.

00:52:22.000 I don't profess to be an expert in that, but I will cite our Lord and Savior.

00:52:27.000 I'll cite Paul the Apostle, and I'll cite C.S. Lewis.

00:52:33.000 Jesus Christ himself called Satan the prince of this world.

00:52:36.000 Paul called Satan the God of this world.

00:52:38.000 C.S. Lewis said, all of us are on enemy-occupied territory, and we must launch a sabotage campaign against the enemy.

00:52:46.000 I just love that.

00:52:47.000 C.S. Lewis is so, he was so great, wasn't he?

00:52:50.000 Oh, he was so special.

00:52:51.000 Every child in America, I believe, has a moral right to learn C.S. Lewis in a proper environment.

00:52:57.000 It would create a better world.

00:52:59.000 I really believe that.

00:53:00.000 Anyway, that's a separate issue.

00:53:01.000 But yes, so we're living in a dominion that is currently, quote unquote, controlled by Lucifer, right?

00:53:08.000 God will retake his throne.

00:53:10.000 Jesus is coming back.

00:53:11.000 Don't ask me that question in the Q ⁇ A because I don't know when.

00:53:11.000 I don't know when.

00:53:14.000 The time and the hour is unknown.

00:53:16.000 And I think if you use the promise of Christ's return as an excuse for inaction, you're reading it wrong.

00:53:22.000 And I think that's biblically incorrect.

00:53:24.000 We could talk about that.

00:53:25.000 Do not allow your eschatology to be an excuse to not act.

00:53:29.000 But it's a spiritual war.

00:53:31.000 And therefore, we must understand spiritual elements of how Satan gets footholds or strongholds on people.

00:53:38.000 In particular, sexual sin is a proven biblical theological gateway, which I believe we see the widespread degeneracy of sexual sin in our country.

00:53:48.000 I believe false prophets and false teachers is another way that Satan is able to get strongholds in people's lives and footholds into these kind of vectors, if you will.

00:53:58.000 And finally, I believe that if Satan can't control you to do what he wants you to do, he'll at least get you to not do the right thing.

00:54:09.000 And I don't know the answer to this, and I'm fully open.

00:54:12.000 You guys can email me anytime.

00:54:13.000 I read every single email.

00:54:15.000 What is more dangerous for society?

00:54:18.000 People that worship Satan or people that don't believe Satan exists?

00:54:21.000 I do not know the answer to that.

00:54:24.000 And I really don't think it's clear because both are really bad.

00:54:30.000 Because you see Hollywood outright worship Satan and put him out, and then you have academics that say there is no Satan, therefore there is no hell, and there is no cost to my evil.

00:54:41.000 So that's an interesting question.

00:54:42.000 You guys can tell me your thoughts in QA or whenever, but both are at play right now.

00:54:47.000 But this is a spiritual war.

00:54:49.000 Why does that matter?

00:54:50.000 Because it's not flesh and blood that we struggle against.

00:54:53.000 And it should give you comfort just to be able to close your eyes and say, yes, my moral action is required, but why?

00:55:01.000 It's required out of obedience and worship because the battle is already won.

00:55:07.000 The why is critical.

00:55:09.000 It is not up to you to win the battle.

00:55:12.000 You do it out of obedience to the divine because the battle has already been won by Jesus Christ who won the spiritual battle for you.

00:55:26.000 So let's finish this part of the evening with this.

00:55:31.000 You said, Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior.

00:55:35.000 Speak to that.

00:55:36.000 So everyone's going to have a date with eternity.

00:55:40.000 I know I'm going to heaven, and that gives me great comfort.

00:55:44.000 I believe Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life.

00:55:46.000 I believe God's word is true.

00:55:51.000 It pains me when we do all sorts of different types of events and people don't get to hear about the gospel.

00:55:59.000 The gospel is a rescue mission.

00:56:02.000 It's a rescue mission of the divine, the logos that took on a rather very broken form because he loves you and he wants you to be in eternity.

00:56:14.000 That should move you because there's no other religion, no other concept, no other worldview where God came to you.

00:56:21.000 Everything else requires you to go to God.

00:56:26.000 The gospel in four words is Jesus took my place.

00:56:29.000 The gospel in three words is him for me.

00:56:32.000 The gospel in two words is substitutionary atonement.

00:56:35.000 The gospel in one word is grace.

00:56:38.000 Name of this church.

00:56:40.000 What is grace?

00:56:41.000 Well, first, what is justice?

00:56:42.000 And what is mercy?

00:56:43.000 Then we'll get to grace.

00:56:44.000 Justice is giving every man what he is owed.

00:56:47.000 You get what you deserve.

00:56:48.000 We all deserve hell.

00:56:50.000 We're all sinners.

00:56:51.000 We don't deserve heaven.

00:56:52.000 Mercy is getting less of what you deserve, a reduced prison sentence.

00:56:56.000 You come in, you get your sentence, and the judge says, ah, you get less of what you deserve.

00:57:01.000 I'll be merciful.

00:57:02.000 Grace is something completely different.

00:57:04.000 Grace is here at your sentencing hearing.

00:57:06.000 They said, here's the 555 million things you did wrong in your lifetime, and you deserve eternal damnation.

00:57:13.000 And you bow your head in disgrace, guilt, and out of nowhere, somebody comes in and says, you know what?

00:57:19.000 I know him.

00:57:20.000 I know her.

00:57:22.000 I'll serve that prison sentence for him so they can live free.

00:57:26.000 Grace is something completely different.

00:57:27.000 Grace is not a reduced prison sentence.

00:57:30.000 Grace is the divine going into the prison cell for you so that you can live with liberty.

00:57:34.000 The promise of Christianity, the promise of Christianity is very simple.

00:57:41.000 That you're made with a purpose, that this universe is not a mistake.

00:57:45.000 It has a logos, it has a harmony, it has a rhythm, it has an end point.

00:57:50.000 But eternity does not.

00:57:52.000 It is the alpha, the omega, the beginning, and the end.

00:57:55.000 And so every single one of us are going to have to hold account for our actions.

00:57:58.000 Those of us that know Jesus Christ as our personal Lord and Savior, that have experienced Jesus, we know that we're going to get a ticket into eternity.

00:58:05.000 I encourage you to accept that invitation tonight.

00:58:09.000 And just in just a couple of seconds, for someone who might be saying, how would I do that?

00:58:20.000 There's something called the sinner's prayer.

00:58:21.000 I'm not a pastor, and so you could lead them through it, but it's very simple.

00:58:26.000 You acknowledge there is a God and you are not him.

00:58:29.000 It's the first step.

00:58:30.000 By the way, that's just a good way to live your life.

00:58:32.000 You do those two things, you'll be a happier person.

00:58:34.000 Every day you should say, there is a God, and I am not him.

00:58:37.000 It's a good way to start your day.

00:58:39.000 It is.

00:58:40.000 And you say, I believe the scriptures are true, and that Jesus Christ was more than a man, but God incarnate.

00:58:46.000 That he lived a perfect life, died an unjust death, and rose from the dead to conquer death so I could live forever.

00:58:55.000 God, I believe this.

00:58:57.000 Jesus Christ is now the chairman of the board of my life.

00:59:00.000 He's my personal savior, and I want to be born new into the kingdom of heaven.

00:59:05.000 You say those words and mean it and believe it.

00:59:08.000 You're a Christian.

00:59:09.000 Congratulations.

00:59:15.000 So let's thank Charlie for this part of the evening, and we're going to move into QA.

00:59:20.000 Yes.

00:59:21.000 So we'll start lining up.

00:59:23.000 Is that okay?

00:59:25.000 I'm not a pastor.

00:59:26.000 Yeah, okay.

00:59:28.000 Thank you, everybody.

00:59:29.000 Thank you.

00:59:29.000 That's very kind.

00:59:30.000 Thank you.

00:59:36.000 Not my strong suit.

00:59:38.000 Thank you.

00:59:39.000 All right.

00:59:39.000 We'll start lining up for some questions.

00:59:42.000 I'm going to stay for as long as my team lets me, 25, 30 minutes.

00:59:46.000 I'm going to ask something.

00:59:47.000 They'll please make them short, quick questions.

00:59:50.000 I don't need to hear your interpretation of the Hegelian dialectic.

00:59:54.000 If you're running for dog catcher, that's terrific.

00:59:56.000 I'm going to encourage you to get to the questions so we get to as many questions as possible.

00:59:59.000 Cool?

00:59:59.000 Great.

01:00:00.000 Okay.

01:00:00.000 We'll get to the first question.

01:00:02.000 All right.

01:00:02.000 Not a statement with a question mark.

01:00:04.000 Okay.

01:00:05.000 Great.

01:00:05.000 We'll start right here.

01:00:07.000 Hi.

01:00:08.000 So a lot of women say about the abortion topic that men don't have an opinion and that they can't say anything about it since they don't have a uterus.

01:00:19.000 But I was, I don't agree with that, but I was also wondering your opinion on that.

01:00:24.000 Yes, that's a great question.

01:00:25.000 It's a silly point because the baby is actually half the man's, and we need to remember that, even from just regular property contract law, right?

01:00:33.000 Half sperm, half egg, right?

01:00:35.000 It's kind of we've so somehow the man has kind of been lost in that.

01:00:40.000 He's a co-owner, if you will, like a co-investor.

01:00:44.000 Doesn't exactly hold up in court, but it should if you think about it, right?

01:00:49.000 It's completely irrelevant.

01:00:50.000 It's an argument from authority.

01:00:52.000 Either something is true or it is not.

01:00:54.000 You are allowed to comment on any topic, any matter, regardless of your age, regardless of your sex.

01:00:59.000 Things are true or they are not true.

01:01:01.000 This is like somebody saying, well, you're not allowed to talk about racial matters because you're not black.

01:01:06.000 No, no, it's completely irrelevant.

01:01:08.000 It's irrelevant when you're racist.

01:01:09.000 Is it true or is it not true?

01:01:11.000 If all of a sudden we're only allowing certain people to speak based on how they look or based on their chromosomes, then we're entering into a very strange politically correct tyrannical moment where certain people are invalidated from expressing rather nuanced or true opinions based on things they can't change.

01:01:27.000 And that's a really bad idea.

01:01:29.000 And so anybody can comment on any topic at any time, regardless of how you look or your chromosomal makeup.

01:01:35.000 Thank you.

01:01:36.000 Appreciate it.

01:01:40.000 With the recently released Jesus Revolution movie, we saw the challenge that the church faced with addressing people that came into the church that was not in the same culture.

01:01:50.000 As we're expecting God to bring revival again and expecting many people to come into the church that don't fit or conform to the way we see them, can you give us ideas of how we can love them and yet challenge the beliefs and the mindset that they have to bring them to Christ?

01:02:09.000 That's a great question.

01:02:10.000 So Jesus Revolution is a great film.

01:02:12.000 I encourage you to see it.

01:02:14.000 It includes Chuck Smith, who started Calvary Chapel out in California.

01:02:19.000 I'm very close with a lot of Calvary guys.

01:02:21.000 I think the world of them.

01:02:22.000 Chuck taught the Bible verse by verse, chapter by chapter, believe in the inerrancy of scripture.

01:02:27.000 So that's a great question.

01:02:28.000 The number one piece of feedback I receive from young people as to why they're not Christians is to say Christians are too judgmental.

01:02:35.000 And I find that to be a very unpersuasive thing.

01:02:39.000 I mean, God is judgmental, okay?

01:02:42.000 So let's just put it that way.

01:02:44.000 I mean, I have a very contrarian view where I think for every time we have a billboard that said God loves you, we should have one that says God judges you.

01:02:53.000 But I just, I don't think that exactly would pass the sales pitch committee.

01:03:00.000 By the way, he judges you because he loves you.

01:03:03.000 And that's the point.

01:03:05.000 They're not opposites.

01:03:06.000 They're not a conflict.

01:03:07.000 Parents know this, right?

01:03:09.000 You judge that which you correct to come into alignment with the best and proper way to live, right?

01:03:14.000 Anyway, we could talk into that deeper.

01:03:17.000 So you have to be compassionate.

01:03:20.000 I would listen more than you would talk, right?

01:03:23.000 But I would never compromise on truth.

01:03:26.000 And it's okay not to say something, even if you hear something that you find to be objectionable.

01:03:30.000 Let me give you an example, okay?

01:03:32.000 Let's pretend at this church, someone comes in and they're really seeking Jesus and they say, look, I engage in homosexual behavior.

01:03:39.000 Sometimes your silence can actually be the greatest comment.

01:03:42.000 You don't have to say something.

01:03:44.000 You can just say, well, I'm really glad you're here.

01:03:47.000 God bless you.

01:03:48.000 You don't have to say anything about Leviticus.

01:03:51.000 One man should not lay with another man.

01:03:53.000 Probably wouldn't lead with that, right?

01:03:57.000 But sometimes the silence can be, you know, never compromise on truth.

01:04:03.000 I'm really big on this because I debate these Christians all the time.

01:04:07.000 They say, Charlie, we're going to turn people away unless we make ourselves more attractive.

01:04:11.000 And I say, okay, let's just test that hypothesis.

01:04:14.000 The church has been doing nothing more, has been doing almost nothing but diluting the word of God for 30 years, creating churches into TED Talks with rock concerts, woke skinny gene culture, totally perverting the word.

01:04:28.000 And we've never been a less Christian country, right?

01:04:31.000 So I don't believe you when you tell me that diluting the truth is somehow more attractive.

01:04:37.000 Now, I will say this, though.

01:04:39.000 I don't find this actually to be a lot of churches, but they're definitely out there.

01:04:43.000 Try not to be angry.

01:04:46.000 Angry Christians do turn people off.

01:04:49.000 I get angry at a lot of stuff.

01:04:50.000 That's probably why I wouldn't be a great pastor.

01:04:53.000 But the more you can embody the joy of Jesus Christ, but still also articulate the truth, the better.

01:05:02.000 But don't compromise on deeply held beliefs, period.

01:05:05.000 That is a bad idea.

01:05:07.000 The truth is the only thing we have against the lies.

01:05:11.000 So if somebody comes in and they believe things that aren't true, love them enough to correct the error.

01:05:16.000 And that's what someone who truly loves does.

01:05:18.000 Thank you.

01:05:21.000 Hi.

01:05:22.000 I would love to start speaking out more, but I feel like I can't effectively articulate and argue my position.

01:05:31.000 Become an expert in apologetics of conservatism.

01:05:34.000 Like Isabel Brown can argue every single issue.

01:05:37.000 Alex Clark, how do I get there?

01:05:40.000 That's a great question.

01:05:42.000 So here's, if you really want to get there and you want to do the work, you have to write.

01:05:47.000 Okay?

01:05:48.000 Nothing will hone your vocabulary and your ability to harness the spoken word quite like writing.

01:05:54.000 Because writing is a lot harder than talking.

01:05:57.000 So here's what I encourage you to do.

01:05:59.000 Go buy a journal and just say abortion and just write out what you believe if it's convincing and then read it out loud to yourself and then do it again and then do it again.

01:06:09.000 What I find lacking in the younger generation, not you, obviously, I don't know you, but is the ability to write has been completely lost, right?

01:06:17.000 When we hire people, I'm like, how did you get through anything?

01:06:20.000 I mean, it's just, I mean, did ChatGPT do all of your work when you were in college?

01:06:26.000 It's rather extraordinary, right?

01:06:29.000 And we have some wonderful writers at Turning Point and some wonderful staff people, but I see some of these resumes, and it's not even just bad grammar, okay?

01:06:36.000 The grammar is fine because somebody fixed that for them.

01:06:38.000 It just makes no sense, right?

01:06:40.000 There's no flow, there's no argument, there is no, the diction is sloppy, it's just anyway.

01:06:45.000 So, writing is something that you, this is the cool thing about writing.

01:06:48.000 I can guarantee you'll get better at it if you do a lot of it.

01:06:52.000 And so that's just, you just got to work at it, right?

01:06:55.000 So, people say, Charlie, how have you, you know, become a good public speaker?

01:06:59.000 And look, I had some natural gifts.

01:07:01.000 I have, I personally traveled over the last decade well over 2,000 days, right?

01:07:07.000 2,000 days across America.

01:07:10.000 They say the 10,000 hour rule, I've given over 20,000 hours of speeches and lectures and hosting radio and interviews.

01:07:16.000 You get good after you do 20,000 hours of anything, right?

01:07:18.000 I'm not saying you have to do that, but you got to work at it.

01:07:21.000 And then you got to challenge yourself.

01:07:22.000 And then you have to be honestly critical of yourself throughout that process.

01:07:25.000 And then if you really want to get good at it, you have to just breathe it.

01:07:28.000 You got to eat it.

01:07:29.000 Listen to the podcast.

01:07:30.000 Finish people's sentences.

01:07:31.000 You got to listen to a thousand hours of podcasts before you even begin.

01:07:34.000 Like Prager, Shapiro, Owens, my podcast, Walsh.

01:07:38.000 You're going to just immerse all of it.

01:07:39.000 And then in the car, you're going to turn off.

01:07:41.000 You're going to be like doing, you're talking to yourself, doing your arguments, and then shadow boxing yourself back.

01:07:47.000 And that might sound insane, but how is it any different than somebody going to shoot free throws that is a good athlete, right?

01:07:54.000 You have to practice at the things you care about to get good at the things you care about.

01:07:57.000 Thank you so much.

01:07:58.000 Appreciate it.

01:08:04.000 Thank you, Charlie, for what you do in the universities.

01:08:09.000 What we see on the streets with the BLM movement, with the Antifas, these are young college students who turn to violence.

01:08:17.000 Could you speak a little bit into how Antonio Gramsci's work has played into what is being taught in the colleges?

01:08:27.000 Yeah, that's a really, really good question.

01:08:28.000 So Antonio Gramsci wrote a series of letters from prison.

01:08:33.000 They're literally called the prison letters.

01:08:35.000 And he's the author of Cultural Marxism.

01:08:37.000 That's basically where that term comes from.

01:08:40.000 Interestingly enough, do you know who the chief scholar of Gramsci is in America?

01:08:44.000 Pete Buddhajudge's father at University of Notre Dame, lesser-known fact that people don't know about, tells you a lot about Buddhajudge, doesn't it?

01:08:54.000 So Gramsci argued this.

01:08:57.000 So we all kind of have an idea of what Marxism is, right?

01:09:00.000 So Marxism was written as an economic theory of conflict, okay?

01:09:03.000 So it was written as the bourgeoisie versus the proletariat, constantly at odds with one another, people that control capital, people that control labor, the people that control the capital will actually exploit labor.

01:09:13.000 And they actually termed the term capitalist as a pejorative, right?

01:09:18.000 As someone that will exploit the proletariat for their own means, okay?

01:09:22.000 But it was simply an economic observation, an economic argument, right?

01:09:27.000 And albeit somewhat of a little bit of a clumsy one, right?

01:09:31.000 And so what we're really getting at, and I think is important, is Marxism had its kind of heyday in the late 1800s, early 1900s, specifically the Russian Revolution.

01:09:43.000 And then it kind of somewhat turned into like totalitarianism.

01:09:47.000 So Antonio Gramsci was a committed Marxist, went to prison for it, and he argued, he said, this is not enough.

01:09:52.000 The economic thing is not going to work.

01:09:55.000 We have to assume a cultural identity that actually brings the struggle beyond just the bourgeoisie and the proletariat, but to broader societal power dynamics that actually transcend, you know, what some of these other implications.

01:10:11.000 So then this was adopted by the Frankfurt School, which literally learned from Gramsci, Herbert Marcuse, Jacques Derrida, and they came here and brought these ideas.

01:10:21.000 But how do I best explain this, if none of that made sense to you?

01:10:25.000 Marxism is thought of to just be economic.

01:10:29.000 Marxism is a theory of conflict, okay?

01:10:31.000 So when we talk about division, conflict is not a mistake in Marxism.

01:10:36.000 It's the design of Marxism, right?

01:10:38.000 Marxism is about mobilizing labor against capital.

01:10:42.000 Marxism now in America, which is cultural Marxism, is mobilizing the identity group of blacks against the identity group of whites, mobilizing women against men.

01:10:55.000 And they've tried this in many iterations, and it fails sometimes.

01:10:59.000 Occupy Wall Street was a failure because it turns out middle-class Americans are not going to want to just tear down the entire American free market system.

01:11:07.000 It actually failed when they tried Me Too.

01:11:10.000 Turns out that you can't actually thwart a Supreme Court justice from getting confirmed like Brett Kavanaugh by making up complete lies saying he's a gang rapist, right?

01:11:20.000 But it worked with race.

01:11:22.000 And that was interesting.

01:11:23.000 They tried it with economics.

01:11:25.000 They tried it with feminism.

01:11:27.000 But with race, we were complete cowards.

01:11:31.000 And it's because of what Shelby Steele calls white guilt.

01:11:35.000 A bunch of white people that feel as if they have to be guilty for something they didn't do, but because they looked like somebody who might have done something bad a long time ago.

01:11:43.000 And I believe white guilt is one of the most damaging ideologies that has really seeped into society.

01:11:49.000 And BLM financed themselves behind white guilt.

01:11:53.000 They preyed on white guilt.

01:11:55.000 And so BLM uses the Marxist theory of conflict as articulated by Gramsci and Marcuse and applies it to today.

01:12:05.000 They do not believe in truth.

01:12:07.000 They do not believe in speech.

01:12:09.000 All they believe is in power dynamics.

01:12:12.000 And they believe that we must overthrow the white culture.

01:12:16.000 And I'll say it again.

01:12:17.000 There is a growing anti-white crusade in this country.

01:12:20.000 It gives me no joy in saying that.

01:12:23.000 And the sooner we recognize and call it out as the bigotry it is, hopefully the sooner we can stop it.

01:12:28.000 Thank you so much.

01:12:35.000 Hey, Charlie.

01:12:36.000 So being a senior in high school and finishing off our turning point chapter, I'm one of the leaders at Legacy Prep for our Turning Point chapter.

01:12:44.000 How would you suggest that we could motivate other students to come to events like this?

01:12:48.000 I mean, if you look around, most of us aren't high school students.

01:12:53.000 So, you know, how would you suggest that we can motivate people to get active and continue what we've built into the future?

01:13:02.000 I love the question.

01:13:03.000 Thank you.

01:13:04.000 So first of all, I'll give it up for him for running a Turning Point USA high school chapter.

01:13:09.000 So I want to just make a, we are doing an incredibly aggressive push at Turning Point USA.

01:13:15.000 We're hiring more staff.

01:13:16.000 We're pouring resources into Texas.

01:13:19.000 Texas is one of our top priorities of any state in the country.

01:13:22.000 So we need your help, okay?

01:13:25.000 We need your help here.

01:13:27.000 We have some very ambitious Turning Point USA high school chapter goals where we want to start at least another 20 or 30 Turning Point USA high school chapters in the next couple of weeks.

01:13:38.000 So it's a call to action for all of you here.

01:13:40.000 If you have a student in high school, a grandson, anything, please go to our table afterwards.

01:13:46.000 We want Texas to be the number one, the strongest state of any turning point USA state in the country, and you guys can help us get us there.

01:13:55.000 So we need all of your active help tonight.

01:13:57.000 So your homework, I'm not asking you to give money or whatever.

01:14:00.000 I'm asking you to find one person that can help start a high school chapter tonight, and we'll do the rest.

01:14:06.000 We have a full-time staff that can help you through it.

01:14:09.000 And the final thing that I'll say just kind of help to get more people is leaders like you that, you know, they'll trust colleagues.

01:14:15.000 They'll trust people their own age.

01:14:17.000 Turning point USA high school leaders give me great hope.

01:14:20.000 You know, we have more turning point USA high school chapters than college chapters.

01:14:25.000 That's a promising sign, isn't it?

01:14:30.000 That we have more turning point USA high school groups across America.

01:14:36.000 It's a beautiful thing.

01:14:37.000 So we support you 100%.

01:14:39.000 And again, our call to action tonight: let's all collectively agree that we're going to make Texas the number one turning point USA state in the country.

01:14:48.000 Thank you so much.

01:14:54.000 Thank you.

01:14:56.000 As you know, Jesus threw the money changers out of the temple.

01:15:00.000 Yes, he did.

01:15:02.000 I am very concerned.

01:15:03.000 I'm a political organizer.

01:15:05.000 I've been a political organizer for over 40 years with Lyndon LaRouche, and we're now in the crisis he warned of.

01:15:12.000 And I would like to hear you speak more on what are we going to do about glass legal regulations on the banks, getting rid of the Federal Reserve, going back to a national bank, because if we don't restore the constitutional economy that we were blessed with under the Constitution of George Washington and Alexander Hamilton, how are we going to have a moral society?

01:15:39.000 I think morality and economics are a these are the queen sciences, I believe.

01:15:45.000 I think that's a really smart point.

01:15:47.000 Yeah, and look, the Federal Reserve never should have been implemented and is a big mistake.

01:15:52.000 Read Creature from Jekyll Island, it will open your eyes of what these people did and how they've deteriorated our currency and how they're basically untouchable.

01:16:00.000 There's only so many topics I could talk about at an event, so don't hold it against me.

01:16:03.000 But I do cover this topic a lot on our program.

01:16:08.000 And it's really interesting.

01:16:10.000 Neoliberalism needed fiat currency.

01:16:13.000 Open borders, invade the world, invite the world, needed the ability to be able to have soft currency to be able to deploy that has actual no material or metallic backing whatsoever.

01:16:26.000 I support a restoration of the gold standard.

01:16:28.000 That's how radical I am, right?

01:16:30.000 I think we should have had that a long time ago.

01:16:32.000 The problem with that argument, though, is a lot of the social welfare spending that we have becomes impossible when you have a metallic-based currency.

01:16:41.000 I think that's a good thing.

01:16:42.000 It actually restores us back to fiscal sanity.

01:16:44.000 So I hear you completely.

01:16:47.000 The Federal Reserve is going to push.

01:16:49.000 This is the more applicable thing right now.

01:16:52.000 CBDC, which is centralized bank digital currency.

01:16:55.000 Everyone, you've got to read up on it.

01:16:56.000 It is very dangerous what's happening here.

01:16:59.000 I am all open to suggestions of what the solution is to it.

01:17:02.000 I have no idea what the solution is.

01:17:04.000 Maybe blockchain, but it seems inadequate up against the CBDC.

01:17:07.000 Maybe everyone buys gold and silver, but even that seems to be a little clumsy and expensive.

01:17:12.000 I personally own a fair amount of gold.

01:17:13.000 If you guys, we have sponsors on our show that I've vetted as good gold dealers.

01:17:17.000 I'm not here to sell you gold.

01:17:18.000 You guys know that.

01:17:18.000 But if you want actual gold people that aren't shysters, just go to our program, Noble Gold Investments.

01:17:22.000 They'll treat you the right way.

01:17:23.000 So most gold people are really, they're not good.

01:17:26.000 But I'm not saying to buy gold, but if you want to.

01:17:29.000 I personally am buying a lot of bullets because I think those appreciate in value over time.

01:17:38.000 That is one thing that I think will always be, those funds will always transfer.

01:17:46.000 Yeah.

01:17:47.000 So, and also preparedness supplies.

01:17:50.000 It's funny, if you listen to the Charlie Kirk Show podcast, you could really get everything you need for the, you got patriot supply, right?

01:17:58.000 You got gold, you got the pillow, right?

01:18:01.000 You got everything, right?

01:18:05.000 It's it's so you don't sleep through the apocalypse too far.

01:18:09.000 You know, you got relief factor energy, you got the whole thing.

01:18:13.000 God bless you.

01:18:14.000 Thank you for the question.

01:18:16.000 That's right, good ranchers.

01:18:18.000 Good ranchers, and you could feed your family with good ranchers as well.

01:18:21.000 Yes, next question.

01:18:22.000 Thank you so much, Charlie.

01:18:24.000 This has been amazing.

01:18:26.000 I wanted to touch on Charles Darwin's book, The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection or by Perservation of Favored Races Struggle for Life.

01:18:40.000 And I wanted to ask you what your awareness is of Ma'afa and the Negro dilemma.

01:18:47.000 If you could speak to that.

01:18:49.000 Not as much.

01:18:49.000 I don't know about that, but I can speak to Darwin's worldview, if that's helpful.

01:18:56.000 And promise me that you will look at Ma'afa because it means calamity or disaster.

01:19:01.000 It's the whole history of what they did when the emancipation came about.

01:19:07.000 This was the solution, the dilemma to get rid of the freed slaves because we didn't drive the economy.

01:19:15.000 That's fascinating.

01:19:15.000 I ran for Congress to unseat Sheila Jackson Lee back in 2020.

01:19:26.000 And I am furious at how they have targeted my people to use us to destroy this nation.

01:19:42.000 Can you expand on that?

01:19:44.000 Just tell in about a minute, how have they used the black community to destroy the nation?

01:19:50.000 To say that I'm a victim because of the melon in my skin, or my grandchildren or my great-grandchildren, by the way, who are multiple ethnicities.

01:20:01.000 I don't believe in multiple races.

01:20:04.000 It's one race, the human race, with multiple ethnicities.

01:20:12.000 And the Negro dilemma was, it was all hidden right after the emancipation.

01:20:18.000 And if you look at the documentary, Ma'afa, M-A-A-F-A, it is amazing.

01:20:24.000 So let me just talk about Darwin for a second because I think it's important.

01:20:27.000 I think Christians are far too weak on the Darwin question and they cower in fear on it.

01:20:33.000 There's a fabulous book.

01:20:34.000 You have to read it called Darwin's Doubt or Doubting Darwin by Dr. Stephen Meyer.

01:20:39.000 It's fabulous.

01:20:40.000 There is a growing consensus of Christian and non-Christian scientists that are coming together and basically argue that Darwin's theory is laughable.

01:20:50.000 It's a very exciting undercurrent happening in science right now.

01:20:54.000 You would never know it if you read the scientific journals.

01:20:56.000 It is robust.

01:20:57.000 It's deep.

01:20:58.000 It's thoughtful.

01:20:59.000 And essentially, these are mathematicians, physicists, evolutionary, formerly evolutionary biologists that have come together and they say the mathematical improbability of what Darwin was arguing is the greatest leap of faith of any sort of widely accepted metaphysical view of a species leap.

01:21:17.000 And they go through the actual mathematic improbability.

01:21:19.000 There's a fabulous dialogue of three of them, Dr. Stephen Meyer, and there's two other scientists I can't remember, mathematician and another guy who actually had his arm blown off by the Unibomber.

01:21:29.000 And it's brought to you by the Hoover Institution.

01:21:31.000 If you guys ever want to watch it, it's fabulous content where for an hour and a half they just talk about how wrong Darwin was.

01:21:39.000 And why does that matter?

01:21:40.000 So much of the timidity that we find from Christians stems from the world making us believe that Darwin is unquestionable.

01:21:50.000 If you think about it, right?

01:21:51.000 How many of your kids go to college and start to believe this crap, right?

01:21:55.000 And so I just encourage, we have to really lean in on the Darwin question.

01:22:00.000 I think it will bear fruit.

01:22:01.000 We've got to play offense on it.

01:22:02.000 And then also talk about the utter racism, eugenic bigotry that was driving natural selection and Darwinism, which is equally as important.

01:22:12.000 But let me just say this again.

01:22:13.000 Again, I'm far from an expert on the question of it, but if you guys ever want to watch his videos or read his other book, The Return of the God Hypothesis by Dr. Stephen Meyer, if that stuff animates you and drives you and you really like deeping into the intellectual material,

01:22:27.000 there is a massive library of thoughtful thinkers that are publishing monthly, defending the Christian worldview when it comes to creation, using the most advanced developments in quantum physics and other places to show that the Bible is 100% true.

01:22:44.000 Thank you so much.

01:22:45.000 God bless you.

01:22:49.000 She's a tough act to follow, I'll tell you that.

01:22:52.000 So, thank you so much for being here.

01:22:55.000 And thank you for starting Turning Point USA.

01:22:58.000 I think it's a very important thing that you started, and I've seen it working.

01:23:02.000 I have spoken at the high school in the woodlands and tried to reach the children.

01:23:07.000 And in fact, I did explain to them the Hegelian dialectic.

01:23:11.000 It took a little time, but we got through it.

01:23:13.000 That's a toughie.

01:23:14.000 But it turned, made some lights go on, right?

01:23:17.000 Also, everything you said about the school system, I totally agree with.

01:23:21.000 And that's what I wanted to come here and speak to you about.

01:23:24.000 And even what you said about the Catholic schools.

01:23:28.000 I myself went to a Catholic school, and I always was above, head and shoulders above with my education, my self-discipline, etc.

01:23:35.000 I belong to this church.

01:23:37.000 This is where I come.

01:23:38.000 So I'll let you all do the math on that.

01:23:41.000 So, my point.

01:23:42.000 Question.

01:23:43.000 Yes.

01:23:43.000 What's your question?

01:23:45.000 Yes.

01:23:45.000 So, Jack Hibbs starting a school.

01:23:48.000 I think our churches, we need to get out of the schools.

01:23:51.000 We need to get out of that board game they're playing.

01:23:56.000 We go to the school board meetings.

01:23:58.000 I do not see all the schools.

01:23:59.000 You got to get to the question.

01:24:00.000 I'm sorry.

01:24:00.000 Yes, sir.

01:24:01.000 You were right.

01:24:01.000 But I am going to get to this question.

01:24:03.000 So what can Turning Point USA do 2.0 and help us get some good schools together and get away from the government schools?

01:24:11.000 Perfect question.

01:24:11.000 Thank you for the question.

01:24:12.000 So we have Turning Point Academy that was launched about a year ago.

01:24:15.000 You guys should all be involved and start church hybrid schools at Turning Point Academy.

01:24:20.000 Right now, we have fully operational hybrid schools that are able to empower you as Christians, homeschoolers, pastors, and church leaders.

01:24:29.000 You can go to Turning Point Academy, I think it's TurningPointAcademy.com, the website there, and we're here to empower you.

01:24:35.000 And the number one thing that we need to do, if you are a pastor, we talked about this earlier in our roundtable.

01:24:41.000 If you're not running a Christian school, part of your budget, part of your allocation needs to go every single month to Christian education.

01:24:47.000 We have to financially and generously pour in to Christian education in an unprecedented way.

01:24:54.000 Yes, sorry to cut you off.

01:24:55.000 We're just getting tight on time.

01:24:57.000 Yes.

01:24:57.000 First of all, I want to say super excited to be here.

01:25:00.000 But my question is, if you already live in a conservative community and go to a conservative school, how can you still expand the movement while only being in high school?

01:25:09.000 That's a great question.

01:25:10.000 Start a Turning Point USA chapter.

01:25:12.000 It's important.

01:25:13.000 A criticism I get sometimes is, Charlie, you only preach to the choir, which is silly because I go to college campuses.

01:25:19.000 So that doesn't make any sense, right?

01:25:21.000 So they don't always think when they accuse me of stuff, right?

01:25:24.000 But yeah, okay, let's pretend we're all the choir.

01:25:27.000 Okay, well, I think one of the problems over the last 40 years is the choir forgot the melody.

01:25:33.000 Sometimes the choir needs some preaching.

01:25:35.000 So just because people agree with you doesn't mean that they're as deep as they should be or as committed as they should be or as active as they should be.

01:25:43.000 And there's still a lot of work to be done to also preserve to make sure that conservative communism become a liberal community, right?

01:25:49.000 And that happens like this.

01:25:50.000 Oh, you better believe it, right?

01:25:52.000 I mean, I just go to downtown Houston.

01:25:54.000 I mean, you guys got like soul cycles now and like vegan bars.

01:25:57.000 Like, what is going on?

01:25:59.000 Like, these liberals, they're leaving Travis County and they're coming in here.

01:26:03.000 I'm like, what is, this is not the Houston I remember, right?

01:26:08.000 I mean, it used to be just pure barbecue, gun shops, pawn dealers, right?

01:26:15.000 And then a church right next door, because you guys don't have zoning, right?

01:26:20.000 That's the way it would work, right?

01:26:23.000 It would be the pawn shop, the church, the strip club, the liquor store, and then all right there, you can run the gamut because we don't believe in zoning, which I think has some advantages and some disadvantages.

01:26:36.000 That's a totally separate issue for a different time.

01:26:39.000 But don't get too comfortable that Houston is all solidly, you know, conservative.

01:26:43.000 You guys know that.

01:26:45.000 I know.

01:26:46.000 So there's always work to do.

01:26:47.000 God bless you.

01:26:48.000 Thank you.

01:26:50.000 Last question.

01:26:55.000 My mom told my brother that thanks to the biblical or godly values, slavery was ended here in the USA.

01:27:04.000 But he asked, how come the Bible talks about slain?

01:27:09.000 I mean, about the slaves obeying their master.

01:27:13.000 Can you talk about that?

01:27:14.000 Yeah, that's a great question.

01:27:15.000 So, first of all, it's impossible to read the biblical text in its entirety and justify slavery, okay?

01:27:23.000 For example, the entire book of Exodus is the release of people from slavery, right?

01:27:27.000 That's the whole thing, God does not yearn for people ever to be owned from one person to the other.

01:27:32.000 Secondly, the idea of human equality.

01:27:36.000 I can't speak to this specifics of the slave and master dichotomy.

01:27:39.000 Heard a pastor explain it once.

01:27:40.000 Happy if you want to chime in, Pastor, on that.

01:27:43.000 But never in the scriptures is there a justification for the owning of another human being, right?

01:27:49.000 This was a perversion of the theology done by John C. Calhoun, who was a trickster from the American South, and made some contorted theological, unbiblical views of that way.

01:28:02.000 But God wants you to be free.

01:28:06.000 That is a repeated refrain.

01:28:09.000 But here, let's go to the biblical view.

01:28:12.000 Why is slavery wrong?

01:28:14.000 Slavery is wrong because we're made in the image of God, and that would be owning another image bearer.

01:28:19.000 Slavery is wrong because of human equality, and we're all made equal in the image of God.

01:28:23.000 Therefore, no person should be able to own another person.

01:28:26.000 And so, to the exact verse that you talk about, I'm not exactly sure how to answer that.

01:28:30.000 Pastor could dive into it, but I will say it is impossible to justify any form of slavery whatsoever through a proper reading of the entirety of the biblical text.

01:28:39.000 So, thank you.

01:28:42.000 All right, in closing, everybody, I want to get just to reinforce: please help us start Turning Point USA high school chapters.

01:28:50.000 We really need you.

01:28:51.000 There is one way you guys can also help us tonight.

01:28:53.000 There's something that's about to go up on screens.

01:28:56.000 So, we do three podcasts a day.

01:28:58.000 Anyone listen to our podcast?

01:28:59.000 A couple people?

01:29:00.000 Wow, it's amazing.

01:29:01.000 Thank you.

01:29:02.000 If you are not yet subscribed to our podcast, it would bless me and us personally if you would do this.

01:29:09.000 It helps grow the audience base.

01:29:10.000 It helps allow us to reach more Americans.

01:29:13.000 We could send a message to the New York Times.

01:29:15.000 All you have to do is follow that QR code and press subscribe.

01:29:18.000 So, you take out your phone and you do that.

01:29:19.000 If you don't know how to follow a QR code, I think there's an eight-year-old around here that could show you how to do that.

01:29:26.000 Let me just reinforce this: it's a free-of-charge way for us to be able to earn us and our podcast to become a daily news source for you.

01:29:36.000 We do three podcasts a day.

01:29:38.000 It's always from a biblical conservative worldview, challenging the lies and trying to inform you.

01:29:43.000 So, if you guys follow that and do that, we deeply appreciate it.

01:29:45.000 Pastor, did you want to mention anything before we close?

01:29:48.000 Okay.

01:29:49.000 I want to just thank this amazing church again for hosting us.

01:29:52.000 Truly.

01:29:56.000 And I'll close with this.

01:29:58.000 I get asked all the time: Charlie, are you pessimistic or are you optimistic?

01:30:02.000 If I were to tell you I was optimistic, you would go home and say, I don't have to do anything because Charlie's optimistic and he thinks we're going to win.

01:30:09.000 If I said I was pessimistic, you would go home and say, up, I don't have to do anything because Charlie thinks we're going to lose.

01:30:15.000 Many of you here tonight are probably rolling your eyes at times and saying, I've done everything that has been asked of me.

01:30:21.000 I watched Tucker Carlson.

01:30:25.000 I bought the pillow.

01:30:27.000 I've done everything that, by the way, promo code Kirk at mypillow.com, just so we're clear.

01:30:32.000 Okay?

01:30:34.000 There's nothing else I have to do.

01:30:36.000 It is the man in the arena that counts.

01:30:39.000 My call to action tonight is out of obedience to the Lord as an act of worship.

01:30:45.000 Challenge yourself to do more.

01:30:47.000 Challenge yourself to fight for this republic, to educate our children, to fight for every inch, to push back against evil.

01:30:54.000 You as a Christian are not allowed to despair.

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01:31:00.000 We are a hopeful people because we know the battle is already won.

01:31:03.000 And so let's continue to fight for Jesus, fight for liberty, and fight for the greatest nation ever to exist in the history of the world.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - April 23, 2023

When To Get Angry: My Appearance at Grace Woodlands Church

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