The Charlie Kirk Show - January 14, 2023


Where are the Fauci Files? with Alex Berenson and Anna Paulina Luna


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Ana Paulina, a Turning Point Alum and newly sworn-in congresswoman, joins the show to talk about her experience in Congress and the process of getting a bill passed. And Alex Berenson talks about Elon Musk and more.

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00:00:01.000 Ana Paulina, Turning Point alumni, you could call her, Congresswoman now. 0.99
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00:01:53.000 Joining us now is Ana Paulina Luna, who i'm very proud of how she handled last week and got a great deal for the American people. 0.90
00:02:00.000 Anna, welcome back to the program.
00:02:02.000 Thanks for having me on, Charlie.
00:02:04.000 So Anna, walk us through last week.
00:02:06.000 It was a lot of drama, it was.
00:02:08.000 Maybe it wasn't as much drama.
00:02:09.000 I mean, some people take that as an insult.
00:02:11.000 I think there was some drama, but I mean that in the most positive sense, but the result was a beautiful one.
00:02:15.000 Walk us through it yeah.
00:02:17.000 So initially, you know, I think a lot of people were saying that and it wasn't their, entirely their fault right, the mainstream um, friendly media that we thought had our backs was basically saying that because we were having these debates and discussions, that somehow we were, you know, preventing the entire country from moving forward.
00:02:37.000 But my response to that was these discussions were long overdue and there were certain things which i've always been transparent, especially in Washington, about.
00:02:46.000 You know what i'm fighting for right, and really what helped shape that ideology is is really my time on the campaign trail.
00:02:55.000 I had interacted with many, many people over the last four years and the one thing that kept resonating and what they kept saying is they wanted me to go there, but they didn't want me to just fall in line and do the same thing, because they realized that the system was broken.
00:03:09.000 So um, to you know, the credit Credit of the Republican Party, there were some good things that were already the foundation of what now Speaker McCarthy wanted to do for our country, but it could have been better.
00:03:21.000 And I think that I will say that I appreciate everyone who worked so hard.
00:03:26.000 I know Representative Byron Donalds, Representative Chip Roy, Dan Bishop, so many of them to actually hammer out the terms of these negotiations.
00:03:36.000 But, you know, it was definitely something that I think invigorated the base and really showed the country that Congress is supposed to go and have these debates on the House floor.
00:03:45.000 That is what we do.
00:03:47.000 That is why we were elected.
00:03:48.000 And so I think that it was a great thing.
00:03:50.000 Obviously, you know, there was some intense moments there at the 14th vote.
00:03:56.000 But, you know, I will applaud Representative Gates and also the other gentlemen who got in Gates' face.
00:04:02.000 They put it behind them.
00:04:04.000 They're moving forward on behalf of the Republican Party.
00:04:06.000 And so walk us through some of the big victories.
00:04:08.000 72 hours to be able to read votes.
00:04:10.000 And in our audience, because our audience has been betrayed so much over the weekend.
00:04:15.000 Yeah, just really quick, over the weekend from the speaker vote to the rules package, I received thousands of emails of people saying, Charlie, it's not, they're going to do a game.
00:04:24.000 It's not going to be in the rules package, but it actually is.
00:04:28.000 It actually is.
00:04:29.000 So one of the biggest things and really what was a deal breaker for me was the motion to vacate the chair.
00:04:35.000 So that is actually probably the single most important thing in the rules package because it's an accountability mechanism.
00:04:41.000 What it does is it allows any one member of the Republican majority to come down to the floor anytime, any place, and basically make a motion to have the entire Republican conference vote on whether or not the speaker of the house should be removed.
00:04:54.000 That's incredibly important because let's say, God forbid, Speaker McCarthy did not do what he said he was going to do.
00:05:01.000 We could basically use that as an accountability tool and recall.
00:05:05.000 Yep.
00:05:05.000 Exactly, exactly.
00:05:06.000 And it really does give power back to the representatives.
00:05:09.000 And interestingly enough, of all people, and there's not a lot that I even agree with Paul Ryan on, but he even said that when he was speaker, that he had too much power and that because of what had happened with these negotiations and now this deal, it really decentralized power within our Congress, which is what it needs to be.
00:05:26.000 72 hours to read bills, surprise, surprise.
00:05:29.000 You know, the Democrats were pushing a lot of bills in front of Republican representatives.
00:05:34.000 We didn't have time to read the bills and then they would force us to vote.
00:05:36.000 They also have something called single subject germaneness, which means that they have to push a bill and it has to be on that topic.
00:05:42.000 They can't put a bunch of random stuff in a bill and basically pass massive funding and people won't have to be in that situation of, oh, well, you know, there's some good stuff for my district in it.
00:05:52.000 So I had to vote on it, but there's all this bad stuff as well.
00:05:54.000 That's incredibly important.
00:05:56.000 But also too, we saw and we've actually begun the process now.
00:05:59.000 We are going to be voting on term limits on the Texas plan, on the Fair Tax Act.
00:06:04.000 So there's a lot of good things in there.
00:06:06.000 And then also more importantly, the budget.
00:06:08.000 You know, there's a promise and you're seeing that now unfold with the appointment of conservatives to the Appropriations Committee and also the House Rules Committee to really have a balanced budget within 10 years, also cut some of the spending by $132 billion.
00:06:23.000 And people think that that's defense spending.
00:06:25.000 I want to be clear, defense spending was never brought up.
00:06:28.000 It was actually specifically for some of those ridiculous programs that the Biden administration put in effect.
00:06:34.000 So really to kind of stop some of this crazy spending that we're seeing out of federal governments.
00:06:38.000 And then also to finally, you know, the Rules Committee, which is the committee that controls all the legislation for the entire country, was really only comprised of a few members and those members were not conservative.
00:06:51.000 And so a lot of the legislation that we saw in 2016, when President Trump had the House, the Senate, and also the executive branch, you want to know why there was no legislation for his border wall funding.
00:07:02.000 And it was because of those people on that rules committee.
00:07:04.000 So that's incredibly important.
00:07:06.000 There's a lot more.
00:07:07.000 It's about three pages of info, but those are the highlights.
00:07:10.000 And then of course our establishing the church style committee, which you'll see is going to be populated here this next week.
00:07:16.000 And that's going to launch a full-fledged investigation into three-letter organizations attacking the American people.
00:07:21.000 I want to play a piece of tape here, Cut 35.
00:07:23.000 The Democrats agree, you got everything.
00:07:26.000 That the MAGA Republicans, they won the debate.
00:07:28.000 They won the negotiation.
00:07:30.000 This is one of the top Democrats saying that the moderates, they lost play cut 35.
00:07:36.000 And it's not just bad that he negotiated a secret backroom deal in the dead of night, but what's even worse is who he negotiated it with.
00:07:46.000 The people who represent the most fringe elements of the Republican Conference, the people who are election deniers.
00:07:53.000 They did not succeed in stealing the 2020 election, but they did effectively succeed in stealing the speaker's office from Kevin McCarthy.
00:08:01.000 He may have the office, but they have the power.
00:08:04.000 Ana, he might have the office, but you have the power.
00:08:07.000 Your thoughts?
00:08:09.000 The representatives do indeed have the power.
00:08:11.000 And again, I will say that I do applaud now Speaker McCarthy for embracing that.
00:08:16.000 I think that he understands and realizes that a United Republican conference with differing ideas is actually more powerful and more effective, especially against this radical left.
00:08:25.000 And what you're seeing now, I don't know if you saw the clip from yesterday, but he's also talking about releasing all of the files from January 6th so the American people can truly understand what happens.
00:08:35.000 And, you know, I'll just put this out there and say this.
00:08:38.000 Whenever Democrats think that you are a threat, they will label you as an extremist or an election denier and attempt to insult your intellectual integrity or discredit you.
00:08:48.000 But if you look at that, that's really just gaslighting Americans because what we did doesn't just affect Republicans.
00:08:54.000 It affects the entire country.
00:08:56.000 And I can tell you as a representative here in Pinellas County, that a lot of the people that I represent are not extremist election deniers or any of what they try to sort us into that.
00:09:06.000 We love our country.
00:09:06.000 We're conservatives.
00:09:07.000 We believe that big government has no place in our personal lives.
00:09:11.000 And also to things like maybe parents should be more empowered than the federal government.
00:09:15.000 Those are all bits and pieces of the legislation that I hope to bring forward to the floor.
00:09:18.000 And I look forward to working with our Republican majority.
00:09:21.000 And I mean, you're doing a fabulous job of fighting for it and really posting wins.
00:09:26.000 MSNBC went after you and Turning Point USA, by the way, where we sent a legal letter to them threatening a lawsuit.
00:09:33.000 And I think we're going to be tweeting that out at some point.
00:09:36.000 It said, a Latina version of Lauren Bobert, Ana Paulina Luna, followed the MAGA playbook to gain political fame. 0.91
00:09:44.000 She has ties to Kevin McCarthy's opponent, Representative Matt Gates, and has worked with what I consider to be a MAGA white supremacist cult, Turning Point USA.
00:09:53.000 Boy, they're going to hear from our lawyers.
00:09:55.000 They've already heard from our lawyers.
00:09:56.000 This is a moment in 2019 before she decided to first run for Congress.
00:09:59.000 She decided to stop using her married name, blah, blah, blah, changed to Luna.
00:10:02.000 And it says a MAGA Latina House member is not as shocking as you'd think. 0.75
00:10:06.000 Ana.
00:10:07.000 These are the same people that failed to condemn the racist and derogatory comments that Nancy Pelosi and Jill Biden have made about the Hispanic demographic.
00:10:15.000 And I would argue for this reporter, if you think that I'm a white supremacist, you and I clearly have differences in what that definition means, because I'm absolutely not.
00:10:23.000 But it just goes to show that conservative minorities are a threat and they're going to attack us accordingly. 1.00
00:10:28.000 I mean, what they call Larry Elder when he ran for governor, the black face of white supremacy. 0.98
00:10:34.000 That is the left. 1.00
00:10:36.000 It's ridiculous. 1.00
00:10:37.000 And I mean, we know the left, they're a bunch of bigots. 0.99
00:10:37.000 They're afraid of you. 0.99
00:10:40.000 We've known that for a while.
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00:11:46.000 So, Ana, any other thoughts on this MSNBC hit job on both you and Turning Point USA?
00:11:52.000 Well, I'm just glad that you guys are pursuing it legally.
00:11:55.000 You know, being that Turning Point is such a massive conservative organization, I've witnessed it firsthand the amount of minority students that have felt that they have been kind of left alone and Turning Point provides a space for them to get involved.
00:12:07.000 So, the fact that they are attacking both myself and the organization as a whole, I'm really glad that you guys are pursuing it legally.
00:12:13.000 I think for far too long, these outlets have gotten away with straight-up slander.
00:12:18.000 And as a public figure, it is harder for me to basically protect myself.
00:12:23.000 But I do think that you guys are in the right for that, and I will be with you guys every step of the way.
00:12:26.000 Definitely take it to the mat with them.
00:12:27.000 Well, thank you, Ana.
00:12:29.000 Let me play a piece of tape here.
00:12:31.000 Representative Schiff says: look, the only thing we should be worrying about is violent right-wing militias, play cut 55.
00:12:38.000 The committee will also seek to discredit law enforcement like the FBI, who are so important in the fight against domestic violent extremism.
00:12:48.000 Republicans in Congress just don't care.
00:12:52.000 The greatest threat, the greatest terrorist threat to our country comes from violent right-wing militia groups and their sympathizers.
00:13:01.000 And Republicans in Congress just don't care.
00:13:05.000 Now, Ana, he's ranting, and I love when he gets really upset.
00:13:09.000 The octave in his voice goes up.
00:13:12.000 Don't care.
00:13:13.000 It's really, really threatening from Shifty Schiff.
00:13:18.000 However, Kevin McCarthy has now said, We are going to find, we're going to release the 14,000 hours of January 6th footage.
00:13:26.000 Your thoughts?
00:13:28.000 I really hope, and I'm looking forward to, I believe I'll be on House Oversight, but I look forward to working with the many private journalists in this country to really uncover what happened.
00:13:37.000 You know, it's really alarming about what Schiff is saying and really about how the FBI has been weaponized against not just the American people, but people that are in politics.
00:13:45.000 Look, we all know that President Trump's house was raided by the FBI, and then all of a sudden there were photos leaking of the raid, and yet that's not happening to Joe Biden.
00:13:54.000 We all know that he had classified documents in his garage.
00:13:57.000 You know, the FBI focusing on parents at school board meetings instead of some of the actual terrorists on the terrorist watch list that are being now trafficked basically at our southern border.
00:14:08.000 You know, these are all very alarming things.
00:14:10.000 And so what you're seeing is fear-mongering, but what we're seeing also is the gross overreach of the federal government.
00:14:15.000 And so we have to stop it.
00:14:16.000 But obviously, Adam Schiff, he's not known for his integrity or his intellect.
00:14:21.000 And so I'm not surprised that he would make those statements.
00:14:23.000 That is right on par for Adam Schiff.
00:14:26.000 Let me play another piece of tape here about Trump's influence in the House Speaker fight.
00:14:32.000 Let's go to Maggie Haberman, play cut 83, please. 1.00
00:14:35.000 And we heard Speaker McCarthy right there say that Donald Trump deserves a lot of credit.
00:14:40.000 Does he?
00:14:41.000 I don't know about a lot.
00:14:42.000 You know, considering that he had endorsed McCarthy and early in the week made a public push for him that he hadn't wanted to make.
00:14:47.000 He had to do it because he gave some mealy-mouthed comment.
00:14:50.000 He did make calls to people like Matt Gaetz, and he did have some influence there.
00:14:53.000 That's a problem for Kevin McCarthy: it's not just Scott Perry and the House Freedom Caucus.
00:14:58.000 It's this Matt Gaetz group.
00:14:59.000 And Matt Gaetz kept his folks together.
00:15:03.000 It's all Matt Gates's fault.
00:15:06.000 We love Matt Gates.
00:15:07.000 Ana, walk us through it.
00:15:09.000 You know, Maggie was unfortunately actually fortunate for us, she was not in that negotiating room.
00:15:14.000 But I will say, Matt was actually there every step of the way, and he was actually in a lot of those negotiation talks.
00:15:19.000 I will credit President Trump.
00:15:20.000 You know, President Trump is known for the art of the deal, and there were many times that I actually had either heard from him or I talked to him directly.
00:15:28.000 And I think what President Trubb understands and realizes is what we did in the House is really in an effort to avoid what we're currently seeing in the Senate, especially under Mitch McConnell.
00:15:38.000 And so I think that President Trump really was someone that we can attribute some of the success to.
00:15:44.000 But I think more importantly, it's going to be attributed to those members that came together, went to the drawing board, went back and forth, and ultimately came to an agreement.
00:15:53.000 And I will say this: Representative Gates definitely has a spine.
00:15:57.000 And if it weren't for Representative Gates, I don't think that we would have had some of the great agreements that we came to.
00:16:03.000 And so I think it was a team effort.
00:16:05.000 And again, I look forward to seeing Gates and Speaker McCarthy working together.
00:16:09.000 Ana, we're proud of you.
00:16:10.000 Keep fighting hard.
00:16:11.000 It is the beginning of a big Congress.
00:16:13.000 Elon Omar, Eric Swallow, Adam Schiff are not on committees.
00:16:16.000 We're going to get the January 6th footage.
00:16:18.000 We have a church committee.
00:16:20.000 We have a mandate with judiciary mandate with oversight.
00:16:22.000 We're starting to post some wins, and you're a big part of that.
00:16:25.000 Ana, thank you so much.
00:16:27.000 Thank you.
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00:17:32.000 Alex, welcome to the program.
00:17:33.000 I'm enjoying your book, by the way.
00:17:35.000 It's terrific.
00:17:36.000 I'm finally getting around to reading it.
00:17:36.000 Thank you.
00:17:39.000 I have like a stack this high of things I want to read, but it's very thoughtfully composed and extraordinarily well researched.
00:17:47.000 So, Alex, let's just dive into the Twitter files.
00:17:49.000 It's really hard, admittedly, to follow and track all of them.
00:17:53.000 I'm not exactly a believer in this communication strategy by Taibbi and Musk, which is this long, drawn-out kind of drip strategy.
00:18:02.000 Do you agree with that off the bat?
00:18:04.000 I mean, yes.
00:18:06.000 And frankly, Elon is mad at me now.
00:18:08.000 And the reason he's mad at me is that I said to him last week when I went in, I said, I think there's been great information in here, especially the FBI stuff.
00:18:18.000 And it's gotten lost in these super long threads.
00:18:21.000 What I'm going to do with what I write is I'm going to highlight and I'm going to link to my substack.
00:18:27.000 And basically, I thought he was fine with that.
00:18:29.000 I did that Monday on mine, which was about Scott Gottlieb and Pfizer and how they had, you know, Pfizer or Gottlieb personally had pushed the censor vaccine critics, including a former guy he worked with in the Trump administration.
00:18:46.000 Okay.
00:18:47.000 And I was very pleased with the story.
00:18:49.000 And, you know, Elon didn't, I mean, he didn't even see it before it came out.
00:18:53.000 And there are no questions about what I could write or not write.
00:18:57.000 And then it turned out he was mad because I didn't put everything on Twitter immediately.
00:19:03.000 And I just think that unfortunately now there's been 13 of these or 14, I guess, today, because Matt put more stuff up today.
00:19:10.000 And they're long threads.
00:19:12.000 And the really good stuff has gotten a little bit lost.
00:19:15.000 And it's made worse by the fact that, you know, places like the New York Times or the New York or wherever that, you know, the mainstream slash elite slash liberal media will not cover. what's happening, except in this sort of like, oh, Elon's up to something kind of way.
00:19:31.000 And that makes it worse too.
00:19:33.000 So to me, again, the fact that, you know, that a board member in Pfizer was pushing to suppress vaccine debate is a big story.
00:19:41.000 The fact that, you know, the FBI was going to Twitter with individual tweets they wanted polls is a big story.
00:19:48.000 And unfortunately, as, you know, as big a platform as Twitter is and as big an audience as Elon has, he's not the whole media and it's gotten a little bit lost.
00:19:58.000 It has gotten a little lost and it was it was highly covered with a lot of attention, the first kind of drips, right?
00:20:06.000 But the volume of information, at least my public relations feedback would be have a filter team, find the 10 to 15 smoking guns, and then release all of it in these massive volumes of bit.lys if you really want to get to the 7,000 pages of some kind of very nuanced correspondence.
00:20:29.000 But people's attention span are, they're just not going to go through that.
00:20:33.000 I mean, they're acting as if it's a, how do I say this?
00:20:37.000 They're acting as if that everyone has the interest of a public investigator or the kind of journalist tenacity that you've been doing for quite some time.
00:20:44.000 In reality, to be able to win public consensus that there is a collusion network between the government and Twitter, you got to kind of get to the facts quickly, if that makes sense.
00:20:52.000 Yes, I totally agree.
00:20:56.000 And in retrospect, they made a mistake strategically by going with the Trump stuff first, because that inherently politicized it.
00:21:05.000 Yes.
00:21:06.000 It's too bad that Matt didn't go with the FBI stuff.
00:21:10.000 I don't think he had that when he was writing the Trump stuff.
00:21:13.000 And then Elon made another mistake when he said prosecute Fauci, you know, my pronoun can prosecute Fauci.
00:21:20.000 He really politicized it and he made it seem as though he has something really good on Fauci.
00:21:27.000 And as far as I know, you know, those searches are still being done and we don't know what, if anything, they might turn up.
00:21:34.000 And so that's a problem too.
00:21:37.000 But yeah, I mean, it's unfortunate because Elon is doing a great public service here.
00:21:41.000 You never get this kind of information from a big public company.
00:21:46.000 And he's taking a chance.
00:21:47.000 He knows it.
00:21:47.000 Okay.
00:21:48.000 He's taking a chance.
00:21:49.000 He's opening up himself and Twitter to potential lawsuits.
00:21:53.000 Well, he deserves credit for this.
00:21:55.000 That's my difficulty right now, I'll be honest, because they put a do not amplify tag on me.
00:22:03.000 And so then I have lawyers coming up to me saying I should sue and they're presenting why.
00:22:06.000 And I'm like, well, do I want to sue?
00:22:07.000 I kind of like Elon and I like what he's doing.
00:22:10.000 And so at the same time, do you sue the former board of directors?
00:22:14.000 And, you know, so I'm kind of in this.
00:22:17.000 The way it is, if you sue anybody in old Twitter, you're going to be essentially suing Elon because he owns the company now.
00:22:24.000 All those lawsuits go to him.
00:22:26.000 And that is a problem.
00:22:27.000 And in fact, I think that's something that people on the right who may be aggravated by some of the stuff that's turned up have to think about because you're going to wind up suing Elon.
00:22:40.000 And that's, you know, if you're in favor of him doing this, you're then punishing him for that.
00:22:44.000 And so that's been my, that's what stopped me so far.
00:22:44.000 Yeah.
00:22:48.000 Now, what I might do, at least in my circumstance, I might sue the Department of Homeland Security because now we have evidence that the government was the one actually lobbying to get me censored via grants distributed.
00:23:00.000 But that's a separate topic for a different time.
00:23:03.000 But Alex, where is the Fauci stuff?
00:23:05.000 We've been teased with this for a while.
00:23:08.000 I'm starting to get a little bit skeptical.
00:23:12.000 Yes, again.
00:23:14.000 So, look, Fauci gave that huge deposition back in November, okay?
00:23:19.000 And it came out.
00:23:20.000 And, you know, I was in there and, you know, other people were named in there.
00:23:25.000 And there was a lot of bobbing and weaving by Fauci.
00:23:27.000 There's a lot of I don't recalls.
00:23:29.000 But I will say this.
00:23:31.000 He was definitive that he had not had direct contact with Twitter on censorship.
00:23:37.000 And the guy, and say what you want about Fauci, the guy is very savvy.
00:23:41.000 And if he was willing to go to that, you know, sort of degree of certainty when on all the other stuff, he was bobbing and weaving and saying he didn't remember.
00:23:50.000 I think you're right to wonder what's really going to turn up.
00:23:54.000 The other unfortunate problem is that we know in addition to email, in addition to the Twitter Slack channels, and in addition to something called Jiro, which was sort of an internal Twitter support panel, all that stuff is searchable.
00:24:07.000 Look, Twitter was going to have phone calls.
00:24:09.000 They were going to, you know, maybe their lobbyists were going to meet people at the NIH in person.
00:24:14.000 Maybe they were going to have signal chats.
00:24:16.000 Maybe they were going to have text messages.
00:24:18.000 All that stuff is gone.
00:24:20.000 So it is not clear that there's going to be anything definitive about Fauci.
00:24:27.000 I'm not saying that there's not.
00:24:28.000 I'm just saying at this point, you are right to be skeptical.
00:24:32.000 But then it does beg the question, why did Elon hype it to Saturn, right?
00:24:37.000 I mean, he says in my pronouns are pouchy for prison or something like that.
00:24:42.000 Prosecute Fauci.
00:24:44.000 I mean, that's hype squad on steroids there. 1.00
00:24:48.000 Well, Elon, Elon is, he's under an enormous amount of stress running Twitter, running Tesla, running SpaceX.
00:24:58.000 He, you know, he's, I will say he is, as far as I can tell, what he, when he talks about the woke mind virus, and he talks about his concerns about, you know, sort of the way Twitter was used and the way Twitter used itself, right?
00:25:12.000 The way Twitter's executive used the platform to amplify, you know, super liberal doctrine, you know, San Francisco Berkeley doctrine.
00:25:20.000 That is completely genuine.
00:25:22.000 That is, he, he believes that and he believes it was a giant mistake and he believed he had to step in and buy the company.
00:25:29.000 That doesn't mean that everything he does, you know, he's doing with incredible, you know, sort of strategic forethought.
00:25:37.000 And what he said about Fauci, you know, we'll find out.
00:25:41.000 But I can tell you that, look, if I'd had the Fauci documents, you know, that would have been the first thing I wrote, not godly.
00:25:48.000 I didn't have those.
00:25:49.000 I'm not saying they don't exist.
00:25:50.000 I'm saying I did not have them.
00:25:53.000 You got our hopes up, mine included.
00:25:56.000 That's for sure.
00:25:57.000 So, Alex, I want to ask you.
00:25:59.000 So I think you've been really kind of fair on the Twitter thing, good Elon, bad Elon banning a journalist, not that.
00:26:05.000 And you've been in the middle and, you know, really kind of just calling balls and strikes as a referee.
00:26:09.000 I want to ask you just kind of more subjectively than objectively, have you seen a greater ability for us to be able to challenge vaccine narratives than the prior regime?
00:26:23.000 So, but I think something bad has happened too.
00:26:27.000 And a guy who actually don't like much, Nate Silver, who's a, you know, he's a, he's a sort of election prediction guy who sometimes is right, sometimes wrong.
00:26:35.000 So, you know, typical, reliably liberal guy.
00:26:39.000 But he said a few days ago something like, I think people are sort of talking.
00:26:43.000 They used to be shouting at each other on Twitter, and now they're talking past each other.
00:26:48.000 And I think to some extent, what's happened on the right is that people are just done trying to argue with the left on Twitter.
00:26:56.000 They felt defensive under the old regime, and they felt they sort of had to engage or be ignored.
00:27:03.000 And now it's more like, hey, there's this right-wing echo chamber, just like the left-wing heck of a chamber, and nobody is talking about all of that.
00:27:12.000 I'm going to admit, I'm done talking to the left.
00:27:14.000 I think they're a waste of time.
00:27:15.000 And I'm not saying that's a good thing.
00:27:16.000 I just, they repulse me.
00:27:18.000 Sorry, continue.
00:27:19.000 No, no, just that.
00:27:20.000 So, so, and I really believe, and one reason I was sued to get back on, it's really important to engage.
00:27:26.000 It's important to have debates.
00:27:28.000 That's right.
00:27:28.000 But when people who I would like to have conversations with, you know, call me a conspiracist or, you know, totally misrepresent what I say about, you know, anything about COVID or the vaccines, at some point, I'm going to give up on trying to, you know, forget convinced, but just dialogue with them.
00:27:46.000 And so I think that's happening, unfortunately.
00:27:49.000 Yeah.
00:27:49.000 And I mean, I'll fully acknowledge I've become jaded and bitter with it because I sent out a rather innocuous tweet about people dropping suddenly.
00:27:58.000 And I get called human garbage by literally actually not actually called human garbage by members of Congress in this. 0.98
00:28:05.000 And at some point, you're kind of like, yeah, actually, I hate you too. 0.99
00:28:08.000 I mean, I'm not going to dialogue.
00:28:09.000 You're not coming at this in good faith.
00:28:12.000 You're comparing me to disposable waste.
00:28:15.000 Thanks.
00:28:18.000 So, Alex, I tweeted out after the tragic collapse of DeMar Hamlin and praise God, he's doing better, that this is an all-too-familiar site: athletes dropping suddenly. 0.80
00:28:29.000 And I was called human garbage, all that sort of stuff.
00:28:31.000 But I do want to ask you, Alex, you're really into the data.
00:28:34.000 You look at this objectively.
00:28:35.000 Are we seeing a disturbing trend of young, healthy people drop suddenly and or have documented otherwise inexplicable cardiac events?
00:28:47.000 So I would say there's two separate issues.
00:28:50.000 We are absolutely seeing a disturbing trend of excess deaths in countries that use the mRNA shots being high.
00:28:58.000 Okay.
00:28:59.000 That is unquestionable and it's not COVID related or it's only partly COVID related.
00:29:04.000 By the way, the shops were supposed to stop the deaths from COVID and they haven't done that.
00:29:08.000 But if you look at Australia, if you look at Taiwan, if you look at Germany, in the U.S., it's actually a little bit less clear, in part because we had fewer people vaccinated, I think, and in part because we had many COVID deaths in 2020 and 2021, which pulled forward some of the vulnerable people who might be dying right now.
00:29:28.000 But in countries that didn't have as much COVID in 2020 and 2021, 2022, they had a lot of excess deaths.
00:29:37.000 Now, what's interesting and what people don't really get is that's mostly in older people.
00:29:42.000 So the trends are clearest actually in people over 65.
00:29:46.000 Okay, so that's one issue.
00:29:47.000 And I will say unequivocally, that is real.
00:29:50.000 It needs to be investigated.
00:29:52.000 It is not being investigated.
00:29:54.000 And I don't know why it's not being investigated.
00:29:56.000 And the explanations that aren't vaccine related are not very convincing for that.
00:30:01.000 Okay.
00:30:02.000 The second issue is sort of the DeMar Hamlin issue, you know, a journalist named Grant Wall who died last month of an aortic aneurysm.
00:30:13.000 These cardiac deaths that we see, people are certainly perceiving that there's been more died suddenly deaths of people under 50.
00:30:23.000 It's really hard to measure that objectively.
00:30:27.000 What's happening, though, is that because the vaccine companies and because the government and because supposedly independent scientists are not doing the work they need to do to look at this bigger problem,
00:30:40.000 people who don't necessarily know the details of the statistics of deaths in Taiwan, but sense that something is wrong and is not being investigated are jumping on these problematic deaths and cardiac events in younger people.
00:30:58.000 And then the response from the mRNA people, from the vaccine fanatics, is, you can't talk about any of these deaths.
00:31:05.000 There's always another explanation. 0.93
00:31:06.000 And you're, as you found and as I've seen, you're a ghoul for talking about that. 0.97
00:31:11.000 Fine. 0.99
00:31:12.000 I will never talk about another cardiac death.
00:31:14.000 If you promise me right now, we're going to get a Bloom Ribbon Commission to investigate what's happening with overall excess mortality.
00:31:21.000 I will make that deal this minute.
00:31:24.000 And there's a fabulous Babylon B headline.
00:31:26.000 Did you see this?
00:31:27.000 It's one of the funniest things I've seen.
00:31:29.000 And it's funny because it's true.
00:31:30.000 And I want to read it.
00:31:31.000 I posted it on my Instagram.
00:31:33.000 Experts say they don't know what thing is causing everybody to suddenly collapse, but it's definitely not that one thing.
00:31:40.000 That's right.
00:31:41.000 That's right.
00:31:41.000 I mean, that's what's going on, you know, it's these jokes about, you know, coincidence is now the leading cause of death.
00:31:47.000 I mean, the vaccines have failed.
00:31:52.000 Okay.
00:31:52.000 They've failed to stop COVID.
00:31:54.000 They've failed to stop infection or transmission.
00:31:57.000 We can argue about whether they're doing anything right now to stop COVID deaths, you know, and serious COVID cases, but they clearly haven't improved the health of the population as a whole.
00:32:09.000 That's exactly what we're doing.
00:32:10.000 And we know this because deaths are higher in a lot of countries now than they were during COVID.
00:32:16.000 So the mRNAs have failed.
00:32:19.000 And the fact that the federal government and state governments and the WHO and these places will not be honest about this is what's driving the anger and the, and you know, to some extent, the conspiracy theories.
00:32:32.000 Alex Berenson, thank you for pursuing truth and just going after the data.
00:32:37.000 The crime that I committed and that you've committed is the crime of noticing.
00:32:43.000 You're not allowed to notice it.
00:32:44.000 And you certainly aren't allowed to tell people you've noticed it.
00:32:47.000 Well, look, I'm going to be going after Pfizer and the Biden White House.
00:32:53.000 I hope people will come check out my sub stack, which is unreported truths.
00:32:56.000 You can see the Gottlieb story.
00:32:58.000 You can see how Pfizer was actually trying to censor debate around the vaccines.
00:33:02.000 And that lawsuit is coming soon.
00:33:04.000 I don't know when yet, but hopefully it will be as successful as last year's suit against Twitter was.
00:33:10.000 Alex, thank you so much.
00:33:11.000 Check out his book, especially the one on marijuana.
00:33:12.000 It's a game changer.
00:33:13.000 Thank you, Alex.
00:33:14.000 Thanks.
00:33:14.000 Thanks, John.
00:33:18.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:33:19.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:33:22.000 Thank you so much for listening and God bless.
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