The Charlie Kirk Show - Where Did All The Feminists Go?

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:00.000 Today I'm the Charlie Kirk Show, live from Turning Point USA's America Fest.

00:00:04.000 We cover the Jesse Waters non-scandal that they're calling a scandal.

00:00:09.000 And then we have Libby Emmons from the postmillennial for a super interesting conversation of where did all the feminists go? 1.00

00:00:17.000 That's why we titled the episode, Where Did All the Feminists Go? 1.00

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00:00:46.000 Buckle up, everybody.

00:00:47.000 Here we go.

00:00:48.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:50.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

00:00:52.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:00:55.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:00:58.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:00:59.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:01:00.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.

00:01:07.000 Turning point USA.

00:01:09.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:01:18.000 That's why we are here.

00:01:21.000 Andrew, you're part of the team, but it's been a pretty amazing couple days.

00:01:27.000 Yeah, I mean, yeah, maybe I am biased.

00:01:30.000 I genuinely think, though, that I've heard more feedback from other people insisting, you know, coming up out of nowhere that maybe they know who I am, what I, you know, my role here.

00:01:40.000 And they're just like, I just need to stop you and tell you you guys have blown every expectation out of the water, which is really amazing to hear.

00:01:47.000 It also puts a lot of pressure on the next event.

00:01:49.000 We're not there yet.

00:01:50.000 We're still totally.

00:01:53.000 Charlie's still got a speech to give.

00:01:54.000 Kaylee McEnany is going to be taking the stage.

00:01:57.000 Brandon Tatum, Jack Hibbs, the amazing Madison Coffee.

00:02:01.000 Madison spoke yet?

00:02:02.000 Actually, no, I think he's today, right?

00:02:04.000 Yeah, Madison's today.

00:02:05.000 So it's a good lineup today.

00:02:06.000 It's a phenomenal lineup.

00:02:08.000 But you were saying just before we came on radio that, you know, we've been here, what, like four and a half days or whatever.

00:02:17.000 Like, yeah, and you were like, why does it feel like we've been here for three months?

00:02:19.000 We started our show on Friday.

00:02:21.000 We did our show Friday from here.

00:02:22.000 Yeah, well, we also were doing the influencer retreat.

00:02:25.000 There was a whole bunch of other stuff that happens around.

00:02:27.000 We dedicated a building at Turning Point USA's campus.

00:02:30.000 There was a block party.

00:02:31.000 Yeah, we interviewed Tucker on Saturday.

00:02:33.000 Yeah.

00:02:35.000 We did an investor presentation on Saturday morning.

00:02:37.000 So we've been there's been a lot going on.

00:02:40.000 Now there's, you know, we had Kyle Rittenhouse on the stage yesterday.

00:02:45.000 That was one of the most phenomenal experiences I've had working with this team, working with you through the years.

00:02:56.000 For those who maybe are catching up here at America Fest last night, Kyle Rittenhouse took a panel, but the way that it was structured was pretty phenomenal, I have to say.

00:03:07.000 It was basically Elijah Schaefer, Drew Hernandez, both that were there that day when it happened.

00:03:14.000 They were taking independent journalist footage with their iPhones or cameras.

00:03:19.000 There was Jack Posobiec, obviously, who's a part of the larger Turning Point family, but he was one of the largest proponents of it.

00:03:27.000 And then there was Charlie as well.

00:03:29.000 And you were the moderator.

00:03:32.000 Yeah, and they all came up and there was this empty chair in the middle.

00:03:36.000 And Charlie let everybody kind of introduce themselves to the thousands and thousands of people watching.

00:03:42.000 And then Charlie said, without further ado, Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:03:46.000 And there was, I mean, the explosion in the room was palpable.

00:03:51.000 The whole thing was shaking.

00:03:52.000 I think Kyle himself, he actually, as a matter of fact, he told me after the fact, he was completely overwhelmed.

00:03:57.000 Completely overwhelmed.

00:03:58.000 He said, I was just thankful I was still breathing.

00:04:02.000 But then at about three to five minutes in, he said he totally calmed down.

00:04:05.000 And you could see that where he just kind of hit his groove.

00:04:08.000 And it was an amazing experience for the audience.

00:04:10.000 People have come up to me a thousand times already to tell me.

00:04:12.000 We've had an amazing event, and everyone can check it out.

00:04:17.000 We're going to be posting a lot of the content that was done privately on our podcast feed and some incredible interviews with Marjorie Taylor Greene, Matt Gates, also Senator Ted Cruz.

00:04:28.000 That was a really good conversation about what's really happening in Congress.

00:04:33.000 And he was terrific.

00:04:35.000 Dennis Prager, phenomenal conversation about life and morality and the Bible.

00:04:41.000 We also had, I'm trying to think, well, the Tucker interview was unbelievable.

00:04:45.000 Yeah.

00:04:45.000 People ask me what Tucker's like.

00:04:47.000 I mean, what do you tell people when people ask you what Tucker's like or when you're explaining how he is?

00:04:52.000 He's magnanimous, personal.

00:04:55.000 Such a gentleman.

00:04:56.000 He's very focused on you, and he's very curious.

00:04:59.000 I find that happy people are very curious.

00:05:02.000 That Dennis is very curious.

00:05:03.000 Dennis Prager is probably one of the happiest people on the planet.

00:05:06.000 Tucker is very happy.

00:05:07.000 And they're both very curious.

00:05:09.000 But Tucker also is, he's a very focused person.

00:05:13.000 And you could tell he's very organized.

00:05:16.000 And he's very happy.

00:05:17.000 And also, I think, very sincere.

00:05:19.000 And it's very rare in that industry to find that.

00:05:22.000 Yeah.

00:05:22.000 And I always tell people that some way, somehow, Tucker has found a way to focus on the most important things in life.

00:05:31.000 And he's dedicated 90% of his brain power to basically armchair philosophy, but it's really not.

00:05:39.000 It's so much deeper.

00:05:40.000 He's well read, but he kind of presents it like that.

00:05:43.000 And I think it makes it accessible.

00:05:45.000 More digestible.

00:05:46.000 So going viral right now, one of our speakers, my very good friend Jesse Waters, who I think very highly of, Jesse spoke yesterday.

00:05:54.000 I didn't get a chance to see his speech, but everyone said, man, Jesse was on his game.

00:05:58.000 And, you know, Jesse has spoke probably five to six times at Turning Point USA throughout the years, would you say?

00:06:05.000 Yeah.

00:06:05.000 And he kind of usually does the similar shtick.

00:06:07.000 And there's nothing wrong with it, right?

00:06:08.000 It's kind of like, I was a guy for Bill O'Reilly.

00:06:10.000 You know, this is Waters.

00:06:11.000 This is my world.

00:06:12.000 You know, you guys should do the same thing.

00:06:14.000 But it seemed like Jesse was really getting into the crowd, right?

00:06:17.000 He saw a different type of state, a different type of theatrics.

00:06:19.000 And again, I haven't seen the whole speech yet, but you could tell based on what he was telling the audience to do, he probably had a similar shtick.

00:06:25.000 And then he kind of incorporated this new thing.

00:06:27.000 Absolutely.

00:06:28.000 So he's what Jesse is always telling the audience to do is, you guys can do this too.

00:06:35.000 So what Jesse used to do for Bill O'Reilly, he used to show up at these people's houses, judges or prosecutors, or stab a mic in somebody's.

00:06:40.000 And he's like, why are you letting this child rape us off?

00:06:43.000 Why are you doing, you know what I mean? 0.98

00:06:44.000 Like really kind of really intense.

00:06:47.000 And so Jesse decided to tell the audience, which was terrific, that they should go and be grassroots journalists and do this to people in power, such as Anthony Fauci.

00:07:03.000 Yeah.

00:07:04.000 Funny enough, I would have never even paused on this clip.

00:07:07.000 And it is so.

00:07:08.000 It's so obvious.

00:07:09.000 It's so obvious he was using metaphors and he was using...

00:07:13.000 Well, it's also a double entendre with the shot.

00:07:16.000 But let's play the clip.

00:07:18.000 Let's go to 230.

00:07:19.000 I'm sick and tired of conservatives always playing defense.

00:07:23.000 I'm going to deputize all you guys to belittle James O'Keeffes, okay?

00:07:29.000 You got to ambush a guy like Fauci, okay?

00:07:32.000 This is how you do these ambushes, like O'Keefe.

00:07:35.000 First, you identify yourself.

00:07:38.000 Do you mind Dr. Fauci if I ask you a few questions?

00:07:41.000 You say, Dr. Fauci, why did you lie?

00:07:46.000 You're just going to speak gibberish.

00:07:48.000 You let him talk.

00:07:50.000 Get it on tape with your iPhone or your buddy's iPhone.

00:07:54.000 Now, we didn't actually get the.

00:07:56.000 Oh, the kill shot.

00:07:57.000 Yeah.

00:07:58.000 So the tape is longer than that, right?

00:08:00.000 And so then he goes up to say, and then he says, boom, you ask the question, and it's the kill shot.

00:08:05.000 Now, obviously, Andrew, what was he talking about?

00:08:08.000 He's talking about catching him out in his lies.

00:08:11.000 I mean, it's very obvious.

00:08:13.000 And something that would so humiliate him.

00:08:15.000 And so, I mean, he's already, his reputation is already in shatters amongst many conservatives and amongst freedom-loving patriots all around the country.

00:08:24.000 But something that would be so undeniably clear that he would lose all standing, even within the mainstream.

00:08:30.000 Let's be very sad with that.

00:08:31.000 If Jesse Waters would have been doing this at some sort of BLM or young Democrat socialists and saying that if you see Donald Trump Jr. and use the same thing, no one would have said anything.

00:08:41.000 The fact he went after the archangel, the person himself, the patron saint of the medical industrial Sir Anthony Fauci, that all of a sudden made everybody really uneasy.

00:08:57.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:08:58.000 I mean, you have to understand how much the mainstream news media has invested in this guy, and they will protect him at all costs.

00:09:06.000 And let's be honest, the guy is the biggest vaccine pusher on planet Earth.

00:09:12.000 And places like CNN are bankrolled by vaccine makers, big pharma.

00:09:17.000 So they're all working together, folks.

00:09:18.000 Don't be surprised.

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00:10:27.000 In controversial waters, as always, with Jesse Waters.

00:10:32.000 I do need to explain my position on Christmas gifts, but because I think that people are totally misunderstanding.

00:10:39.000 People need to understand.

00:10:40.000 Our conversation in the break was all about how kids need to earn their Christmas gifts and how Truly believes this.

00:10:45.000 And this is the whole ethic behind the lump of coal.

00:10:48.000 My favorite word in the English language is earn.

00:10:52.000 I thought it was a phrase, work hard.

00:10:54.000 No, it's earn.

00:10:55.000 Prudy is my favorite word recently.

00:10:58.000 But yeah, earn.

00:10:59.000 I mean, and look, this is how I did this at Hillsdale College read, and it was charlie4hillsdale.com.

00:11:06.000 And of course, I was trying to get people's attention, and I did, which is that if kids are goofing around and not participating in proper moral behavior, why would you reward that on Christmas morning?

00:11:18.000 That's what coal is all about.

00:11:19.000 Yeah, that's that was the old, you know, saying, you know, he knows if you're naughty or nice.

00:11:25.000 And there's a whole idea of the naughty list was to try to say that we are going to punish you if you're lying and like stealing things.

00:11:32.000 Or at least fail to reward you or choose not to reward you.

00:11:36.000 Of course.

00:11:36.000 No, this whole idea that like I grew up in my parents were very clear about what was right and what was wrong.

00:11:42.000 100%.

00:11:43.000 And I don't know.

00:11:44.000 Anyways, Charlie's getting hate mail, basically.

00:11:46.000 Well, I mean, like, I think people are misunderstanding.

00:11:48.000 You could disagree.

00:11:48.000 That's fine.

00:11:49.000 It's not hate mail.

00:11:49.000 It's definitely like, Charlie, why are you saying this?

00:11:51.000 Well, they're saying it's the wrong concept for Christmas.

00:11:54.000 And yes, of course, salvation through Christ is a gift, obviously.

00:11:58.000 That's the only thing that's important.

00:11:59.000 That's why we give gifts to celebrate.

00:12:01.000 But life is not a gift.

00:12:02.000 Life is an investment.

00:12:03.000 Life is not a gift.

00:12:05.000 That's an Eastern belief.

00:12:06.000 It's nowhere in the Bible.

00:12:07.000 Life is God pouring into you with an expectation you're going to do something with.

00:12:12.000 I could prove it to you.

00:12:13.000 Andrew, what did you get for Christmas four years ago?

00:12:16.000 No one remembers.

00:12:17.000 What'd you get for Christmas last year?

00:12:18.000 No one remembers their gifts.

00:12:19.000 But I say, Andrew, do you remember when someone really poured into you and invested you?

00:12:22.000 A coach, a teacher?

00:12:23.000 Of course.

00:12:24.000 Investments are valued way more than gifts.

00:12:26.000 We disregard gifts.

00:12:27.000 We actually value investments.

00:12:29.000 If you want to actually raise a child well, then invest in them.

00:12:33.000 Don't just give them gifts.

00:12:34.000 Well, speaking of gifts, triggered parents, continue to email me, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:12:38.000 Okay.

00:12:39.000 Speaking of gifts, Jesse Water gave the world one.

00:12:42.000 Yes.

00:12:43.000 And again, I want to be very clear: life is special, but life is not a gift.

00:12:43.000 Yes, Jesus.

00:12:47.000 Life is an investment.

00:12:48.000 All right.

00:12:48.000 It's a different thing.

00:12:49.000 No, I think you're right.

00:12:49.000 Okay.

00:12:50.000 So let's go to, do we have the full clip?

00:12:52.000 Okay, let's do the full clip.

00:12:53.000 Cut 37, Jesse Waters got himself in some trouble with the media.

00:12:58.000 He said nothing wrong.

00:12:59.000 Turning point USA America Fest.

00:13:00.000 Jesse, we have your back.

00:13:01.000 Cut 37.

00:13:03.000 I'm going to deputize all you guys to belittle James O'Keeffes.

00:13:08.000 Okay.

00:13:09.000 You got to ambush a guy like Fauci.

00:13:11.000 Okay.

00:13:12.000 First, you identify yourself.

00:13:14.000 Do you mind, Dr. Fauci, if I ask you a few questions?

00:13:18.000 You say, Dr. Fauci, why did you lie? 0.99

00:13:23.000 Now you're going for the kill shot. 1.00

00:13:25.000 The kill shot with an ambush, deadly. 1.00

00:13:30.000 Because he doesn't see it coming. 0.93

00:13:32.000 This is when you say, Dr. Fauci, you funded risky research at a sloppy Chinese lab. 1.00

00:13:43.000 The same lab that sprung this pandemic on the world. 1.00

00:13:48.000 I find nothing wrong with that.

00:13:49.000 No, and it's all intentionally trying to snipe his semantics, right?

00:13:55.000 Well, we should play what Fauci said.

00:13:56.000 Okay.

00:13:57.000 31.

00:13:57.000 Play Cut 31.

00:13:58.000 On the subject of divisiveness, Dr. Fauci.

00:14:00.000 I'm not going to play it because, frankly, I think it's dangerous.

00:14:03.000 But Jesse Waters, who is a Fox News entertainer, was giving a speech to a conservative group where he talked about you and suggested to the crowd that they ambush you with what he said was some kind of rhetorical kill shot.

00:14:15.000 You have some guy out there saying that people should be giving me a kill shot to ambush me.

00:14:20.000 I mean, what kind of craziness is there in society these days?

00:14:24.000 That's awful that he said that.

00:14:26.000 And he's going to go very likely unaccountable.

00:14:30.000 I mean, whatever network he's on is not going to do anything for him.

00:14:33.000 I mean, that's crazy.

00:14:34.000 The guy should be fired on the spot.

00:14:36.000 Of course, that's not what he was talking about, though.

00:14:38.000 He was talking about asking Fauci questions.

00:14:40.000 And here's the context: Jesse Waters started his career putting mics in people's faces and ambushing them to get the truth.

00:14:47.000 Okay.

00:14:48.000 It's so plainly obvious. 0.98

00:14:49.000 This is all ridiculous. 0.99

00:14:51.000 And Fauci playing the victim and acting like he's actually telling people to go shoot him or cause violence upon him is such a joke. 0.99

00:14:58.000 And it's the same kind of lying and propagandizing and gaslighting that these people do, you know, when it with real important things like, I don't know, locking down the nation.

00:15:07.000 So I'm sorry if I don't, you know, take this with a grain of salt, Fauci, because basically that's what I do with every other thing.

00:15:13.000 Well, look, I mean, it's also called metaphors and it's called using language in a way to try to prove a point.

00:15:21.000 And so we have to, and it's obviously, you know, gaslighting Fauci, the one who's actually killed people and people that's actually been hurt by his measures, I should say.

00:15:32.000 Fauci hasn't directly killed people, but Fauci, through what he's been doing, has really hurt people's lives in a variety of ways.

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00:17:08.000 With us is Libby Emmons from the Postmillennial.

00:17:11.000 Yep, here I am.

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00:17:13.000 Thanks. 0.94

00:17:13.000 And it's Canadian, right? 0.94

00:17:14.000 Yeah, we're based in Canada.

00:17:16.000 We have a pretty big American news side.

00:17:18.000 And I'm in America.

00:17:19.000 I'm in New York.

00:17:20.000 Yeah, good.

00:17:21.000 You're an American?

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00:17:26.000 So it's your first America Fest.

00:17:28.000 What do you think?

00:17:28.000 It sure is.

00:17:29.000 I was really invigorated by it.

00:17:31.000 I thought it was fascinating.

00:17:32.000 I love to see how many people came out for this event.

00:17:37.000 You know, it's like conservative culture has taken a backseat for so long.

00:17:43.000 And there is obviously such a big hunger for it.

00:17:46.000 And to see all of the students and people of all ages coming out to take part in that was really pretty amazing.

00:17:53.000 From all across the country.

00:17:54.000 And you guys have done a great job covering it.

00:17:57.000 Thank you.

00:17:57.000 Thanks.

00:17:58.000 And you covered the Kyle segment, and it's thepostmillennial.com.

00:18:01.000 Thepostmillennial.com.

00:18:02.000 Yeah, you do a wonderful job.

00:18:04.000 So you're a journalist.

00:18:05.000 Yeah.

00:18:06.000 And you went to Columbia.

00:18:07.000 I did go to Columbia, not for journalism.

00:18:09.000 Yeah, to be a playwright.

00:18:11.000 Right, that's right.

00:18:12.000 I got my degree in theater.

00:18:13.000 Yeah.

00:18:14.000 And I wrote plays for a very long time.

00:18:15.000 I spent a long time doing theater in New York and Philadelphia.

00:18:20.000 Mostly I was doing independent theater downtown.

00:18:22.000 So not Broadway or...

00:18:24.000 No, I was not doing Broadway.

00:18:26.000 I was writing plays and producing them downtown, small theaters.

00:18:31.000 I had a theater series that took place in bars that we ran for a long time.

00:18:35.000 That was a pretty excellent show.

00:18:38.000 Well, that's awesome.

00:18:39.000 And now you're like a rabid right-winger.

00:18:42.000 Right.

00:18:43.000 Now I'm a conservative journalist.

00:18:44.000 Yes, I don't know.

00:18:45.000 I'm going to go from Hamlet to I guess it actually fits if you actually read Shakespeare.

00:18:51.000 But I mean, I'm guessing you weren't doing, you were doing original new plays.

00:18:55.000 I was doing original new plays.

00:18:57.000 I did work on a Macbeth show and whatever else, but in Argentina for a while.

00:19:01.000 But yeah, so essentially I had started writing satire about transgender ideology.

00:19:10.000 I wrote a satire called How to Sell Your Gang Rape Baby for Parts, which was anti-abortion and like anti-trans ideology and pro motherhood and all of these other things. 0.72

00:19:24.000 But depending on how you watched it, you would think that I was satirizing the other side, which was sort of interesting.

00:19:32.000 And that was a really wild show.

00:19:35.000 There would be nights in the audience.

00:19:36.000 So it actually ended up being a show.

00:19:38.000 Oh, yeah.

00:19:39.000 We ran for a bit.

00:19:40.000 There would be nights in the audience where people would just be like shocked and other nights where people would be horrified laughing.

00:19:46.000 And it was pretty great.

00:19:48.000 It really addressed a lot of those things.

00:19:50.000 Eventually, I wrote an article in Quillette about transhumanism and transgender ideology, the problems with these things.

00:19:57.000 And that turned out to be the end of my career. 0.92

00:20:02.000 And the beginning of a new one.

00:20:03.000 The beginning of a new one.

00:20:04.000 I think the first ever satire piece was that one, you would know it, where they say they want to eat children or something, right?

00:20:10.000 I don't remember this.

00:20:10.000 Eat children.

00:20:11.000 Yeah, this was like the first ever satire piece.

00:20:13.000 It was like in 1880 in a newspaper.

00:20:16.000 Oh, yeah.

00:20:16.000 You know what I'm talking about?

00:20:17.000 Yeah, it was the first ever satire piece.

00:20:19.000 People took it seriously.

00:20:20.000 They sure did.

00:20:20.000 In order to save our, you know, in order to feed our population, let's just eat our children because we can have them so easily.

00:20:26.000 And it was the first ever satire.

00:20:28.000 I'm not kidding.

00:20:28.000 It was the first episode.

00:20:29.000 You could look at the picture.

00:20:30.000 I forget who wrote that, but I remember that.

00:20:32.000 It was the first ever piece of satire.

00:20:33.000 Production.

00:20:34.000 Satire is where it's so close to the truth, it's almost indistinguishable.

00:20:37.000 And that's sort of what happened with my piece.

00:20:39.000 But then I had to just speak out fully.

00:20:42.000 And what year was this?

00:20:43.000 Now I'm doing this.

00:20:44.000 That was 2018.

00:20:46.000 Prior to that, I had.

00:20:46.000 You have found actors for this in 18?

00:20:49.000 I performed in it with my friend.

00:20:52.000 Was it a two-person?

00:20:53.000 It was a two-hander.

00:20:54.000 Oh, yeah, I was going to say, to get a whole staff of people.

00:20:59.000 Yeah, but we produced it with my feminist theater collective. 1.00

00:21:02.000 Your feminist, what's that? 1.00

00:21:04.000 Well, it was a collective of women that I was working with. 1.00

00:21:08.000 And it folded after I came out as someone who didn't think women could become men. 0.96

00:21:14.000 Well, like, so that's a really interesting thing that I understand.

00:21:17.000 You're really nice.

00:21:18.000 Most feminists are not. 1.00

00:21:20.000 And they're really angry.

00:21:21.000 And I'm offending you.

00:21:22.000 I don't mean to.

00:21:23.000 They're just super awful to me. 0.99

00:21:25.000 And they, for whatever reason, seem to be really focused on female identity, and yet okay, with men wanting to become. 0.91

00:21:34.000 It's so weird.

00:21:35.000 It makes absolutely no sense.

00:21:37.000 Why don't they get angry about that?

00:21:38.000 I don't know.

00:21:40.000 The only thing that I can figure out and I wrote about this this morning um, or I published an article about it this morning the only thing that I can figure out is that uh, this is excuse the impending hate mail is that women perhaps are as compliant as gender stereotypes may suggest, and so when a man comes over and says actually, i'm a woman, women are like, oh okay, I don't want to offend you, i'll just, i'll just go along with that. 0.97

00:22:09.000 Um, it's almost as though this concept that feminists created, where gender is something separate from biological sex, has completely destroyed the entire feminist movement.

00:22:20.000 Because if gender is something different um, what is it?

00:22:24.000 Well, it is this thing where we are, you know, going to demure in the face of controversy.

00:22:30.000 Uh, we're going to accept men's definition of what women are. 0.54

00:22:34.000 It's like a completely backwards.

00:22:37.000 Um, it's like feminism took everything that it said it was standing for and did the exact reverse of it. 1.00

00:22:45.000 So I think that kind of that's what's going on, turns out, women are really easy to push around, especially if you're a big man in a dress with crazy eyes, right? 0.81

00:22:54.000 What are you going to do in the face of that? 0.98

00:22:57.000 So your argument is that like this is the new form of like 1400s patriarchs.

00:23:03.000 Yes, I do think that it is that.

00:23:05.000 I do think that it is that.

00:23:06.000 I mean, because if you think about it, prior to the emergence of transgender ideology as a this big push in culture, it wasn't a big deal for a person who, a man who lived as a woman, to actually use a women's facility.

00:23:22.000 Nobody cared.

00:23:23.000 It wasn't an issue.

00:23:25.000 And there was sympathy for that.

00:23:27.000 But what you have now is you have men who are not just identifying as women, but taking all of the masculinity that they have as well and saying that that masculinity is actually a female thing.

00:23:39.000 And that's insane. 0.84

00:23:41.000 Yeah, I think that, and I don't think you'll get any hate mail, women are more compliant. 1.00

00:23:46.000 Women are more compliant than men. 0.95

00:23:47.000 Men are more disagreeable. 0.99

00:23:48.000 Men ask for raises more. 0.63

00:23:50.000 Men are more likely to go and fight with a, you know, fight with somebody at a flight check-in desk.

00:23:57.000 We want them to, right?

00:23:58.000 We want men to take greater life.

00:24:02.000 We want them to go out there and do all of the hard jobs so that women can actually, you know, further the existence of humanity. 1.00

00:24:10.000 Well, I totally agree.

00:24:11.000 And you're not allowed to say any of this stuff, which just makes it sound fun.

00:24:15.000 Again, we're in a place where we enjoy it.

00:24:17.000 It's so refreshing to hear this.

00:24:19.000 But I guess the question is that feminists, the whole idea feminists, is that we're going to be disagreeable, right? 1.00

00:24:26.000 I mean, that like we're going to embrace our inner bra-burning, right?

00:24:31.000 This kind of angry woman. 1.00

00:24:33.000 I know that.

00:24:33.000 I mean, I don't want to put words in their mouth, but like, I mean, the kind of the pink hat thing didn't exactly seem overly pleasant.

00:24:41.000 Well, the pink hat thing was pretty weird, too.

00:24:43.000 I was actually at that first women's conference.

00:24:45.000 On the 17th.

00:24:45.000 Yeah.

00:24:46.000 Day after the 21st.

00:24:47.000 Yeah.

00:24:47.000 Saturday or something.

00:24:48.000 Yeah.

00:24:49.000 I went down with my feminist theater collective. 0.68

00:24:52.000 We went down there. 0.68

00:24:53.000 And there were the, you know, the pink hats.

00:24:56.000 They were everywhere. 0.96

00:24:57.000 And there were like essentially BLM activists taking pictures at selfies of themselves with women wearing the pink hats in the background and then posting things about how horrible white feminism is.

00:25:11.000 And I'm like, this is, this is not the way forward.

00:25:14.000 So were you red-pilled yet at the time?

00:25:15.000 I was like super close.

00:25:17.000 Okay.

00:25:18.000 Super close.

00:25:19.000 So were you going as like a spectator or as a participant?

00:25:21.000 It was a little of both.

00:25:22.000 Mostly we were wandering around.

00:25:24.000 Yeah.

00:25:25.000 So could I ask who you voted for in 16?

00:25:27.000 I voted for Hillary Clinton.

00:25:29.000 Wow.

00:25:31.000 Okay.

00:25:31.000 I sure did.

00:25:32.000 You voted for Hillary.

00:25:33.000 Yes.

00:25:33.000 You live in Brooklyn.

00:25:35.000 I sure do.

00:25:35.000 Yeah.

00:25:36.000 You come down to DC, you know, you get off the train or whatever, and you see a bunch of pink hats.

00:25:42.000 And then you're kind of processing this in real time.

00:25:44.000 Like, do I actually believe this?

00:25:46.000 Is that really?

00:25:47.000 I mean, yeah.

00:25:47.000 And I was not in favor of abortion at that point.

00:25:49.000 I mean, I was raised Catholic.

00:25:51.000 I was never okay with abortion.

00:25:53.000 Yeah.

00:25:54.000 But I mean, I was also, you know, there was this concept of safe, legal, and rare.

00:25:58.000 And I thought, okay, if we're safe, if we're legal, if we're rare.

00:26:02.000 But once you started in with the like, shout your abortion, I'm like, no, don't, this is a terrible thing.

00:26:08.000 This is a terrible thing. 0.99

00:26:09.000 I completely agree with you.

00:26:10.000 But also, right after the election in 2016, I was part of a theater project that's called Rapid Response.

00:26:18.000 It's like whatever, this activist theater project.

00:26:20.000 And it was to have instant responses about the election.

00:26:24.000 And the piece that I wrote basically said, okay, so I didn't vote for you, but I really wish you the best, President Trump.

00:26:34.000 I really hope you do a great job because if you do a great job, the country does a great job.

00:26:39.000 And that's what we want, right?

00:26:41.000 So, you know, lead with my blessing and support because I want the country to succeed.

00:26:49.000 I want us to, you know, do well.

00:26:51.000 And all of the other pieces were, it was this instant thing.

00:26:55.000 I don't know if you remember, but the instant thing was resist, resist.

00:26:58.000 Yes, that's correct.

00:26:59.000 I kept being like, but what are we resisting?

00:27:01.000 There haven't been any policies yet.

00:27:03.000 And then as the policies would come down the pike, I'd be like, that's actually a good policy.

00:27:08.000 Well, that's really not so bad.

00:27:10.000 I like that one.

00:27:11.000 That one I'm not so keen on, but that one's pretty good.

00:27:14.000 You know, take it as it comes.

00:27:15.000 It's like a buffet line.

00:27:16.000 Yeah.

00:27:17.000 And, you know, this is the nation.

00:27:19.000 Don't resist the nation.

00:27:21.000 What are we doing?

00:27:21.000 It sure turned into that pretty quickly.

00:27:23.000 And it sure turned into that pretty quickly.

00:27:25.000 And then it turned out that Trump was actually the anti-war president.

00:27:28.000 Yes.

00:27:29.000 And my whole life, I wanted to vote for someone who was anti-war.

00:27:32.000 And I was like, this guy is legit opposed to war.

00:27:36.000 Nobody else is.

00:27:37.000 Hillary Clinton isn't opposed to war.

00:27:38.000 She seems to like it.

00:27:40.000 You know, what's going on here?

00:27:43.000 And so to see, in fact, liberal policies be put in place by Trump and my friends hate them.

00:27:49.000 I'm like, but you guys, you're not reading.

00:27:52.000 You're not paying attention.

00:27:53.000 How can you possibly be resisting something that a year ago you wanted?

00:27:56.000 What's the deal?

00:27:57.000 So then you just, you just, you just took the red pill.

00:28:00.000 It took a little bit, but yeah.

00:28:02.000 And I was writing for the Federalists.

00:28:03.000 Okay.

00:28:04.000 So.

00:28:04.000 And then next thing you know, the next thing you know.

00:28:06.000 But the transgender thing probably, as it's become more mainstream and hyper-aggressive, you've probably been like, this is. 1.00

00:28:14.000 It's infuriating to see men competing in women's sports. 1.00

00:28:18.000 It's cheating. 0.97

00:28:19.000 And the Olympic Commission has now said you don't even need to suppress your testosterone levels, which was already a garbage policy.

00:28:26.000 And now you don't even need to do that. 0.96

00:28:27.000 So it's like, I think all women, and I agree with Jack Pisobic on this too, all women, I think we should all be just completely boycotting the Olympics for so many reasons.

00:28:38.000 Yes.

00:28:38.000 We should be completely boycotting them.

00:28:40.000 Yeah, for China, for China's reasons. 0.95

00:28:42.000 Yeah.

00:28:42.000 So that's really fascinating and interesting.

00:28:46.000 I was wrong about something where I thought that Upper East Side women wouldn't tolerate the fact that their daughters have to compete against dudes. 1.00

00:28:55.000 I was wrong.

00:28:56.000 Yeah.

00:28:57.000 And that just goes to show the power of the New York Times and Harvard and Columbia.

00:29:02.000 And lies.

00:29:02.000 The power of the lies.

00:29:03.000 Yeah, totally.

00:29:04.000 Exactly.

00:29:05.000 But I just, I'm super interested in this because I grew up around a lot of feminists in the North Shore of Chicago. 1.00

00:29:11.000 I just kind of, you know, and again, just, I hate stereotyping, but it's just like the feminists in that community tend to just have this really specific political worldview. 1.00

00:29:22.000 The most important thing is that I'm a woman and don't tell me what to do.

00:29:27.000 And like womanhood is really important.

00:29:29.000 And now I look back at that.

00:29:31.000 I'm like, I actually kind of really agree with the underlying premise of that.

00:29:35.000 Right?

00:29:37.000 Look, stocks are at all-time high.

00:29:39.000 People are saying things are going well, but you know they aren't.

00:29:42.000 Interest rates are at zero and the government just printed $5 trillion.

00:29:45.000 What could possibly go wrong?

00:29:47.000 Consumer confidence just hit a 10-year low and inflation hit 6.8% with parts of the United States seeing rates as high as 8%.

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00:30:32.000 It's very interesting.

00:30:33.000 We get these wonderful emails, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:30:36.000 Someone says, Charlie, you shouldn't have had Kyle Rittenhouse because he murdered two people.

00:30:41.000 You see, this is why people need to read the Torah.

00:30:43.000 They have no idea what the Bible, murdering and killing are two different things. 0.97

00:30:47.000 Yes, that's correct.

00:30:48.000 And the Ten Commandments says, thou shalt not murder.

00:30:51.000 Does not say thou shalt not kill.

00:30:53.000 Killing in self-defense is moral.

00:30:55.000 Anyway, just I want to make sure it's, it's a total side note.

00:30:59.000 So, are more feminists waking up? 1.00

00:31:01.000 And I'm not calling you a feminist, by the way. 0.91

00:31:02.000 You could call yourself that you want.

00:31:03.000 I don't feel like you're not.

00:31:04.000 Yeah, I'm not concerned with labor.

00:31:05.000 Well, if you're just smart and interesting, who cares?

00:31:07.000 So, are more kind of feminists waking up, the glorious dynames? 1.00

00:31:12.000 You know, I'm not sure.

00:31:13.000 I haven't talked to a lot of feminists in a while, but that's why you're so happy. 1.00

00:31:18.000 I will say that I have seen more liberal women starting to come around. 1.00

00:31:24.000 And I will get, yeah, I'll get DMs from moms and stuff who are saying, like, my daughter now thinks she's a boy.

00:31:31.000 What am I supposed to do?

00:31:32.000 You know, and I'm like, And these are left-wingers, left-wingers, yeah, liberal women. 1.00

00:31:37.000 And there's a lot of liberal women too who are being slowly red-pilled by the way that their kids are being treated in schools, by the gender curriculum, the gender, all of that stuff. 1.00

00:31:47.000 The alphabet mafia.

00:31:48.000 The alphabet soup stuff.

00:31:49.000 As my son calls it, the alphabet soup people.

00:31:52.000 How old's your son?

00:31:52.000 He's in sixth grade.

00:31:54.000 Yeah, keep an eye on him.

00:31:55.000 I don't think he'll be.

00:31:56.000 He's actually, he's spectacular.

00:31:58.000 He's doing great.

00:31:59.000 But we talk about this stuff.

00:32:01.000 He's very open.

00:32:02.000 And he says, you know, the alphabet soup people brought a bunch of flags to school today.

00:32:05.000 Oh, my gosh.

00:32:06.000 And I'm like, what'd you do?

00:32:07.000 He's like, I sat over there with my friend, Mike Tree.

00:32:09.000 Truly radicalized.

00:32:10.000 He's going to be truly radical.

00:32:12.000 In a good way.

00:32:12.000 I mean that.

00:32:13.000 Radical means to the root.

00:32:14.000 Yeah.

00:32:14.000 I mean, he's able to think for himself.

00:32:15.000 Yeah, and that's very big.

00:32:17.000 He'll know all their tactics and games.

00:32:19.000 Have him come to a turning point conference.

00:32:20.000 I think he'll love it.

00:32:22.000 So, yeah, I'm just super interested in this topic because, again, I grew up around a lot of feminists that were really intense about what it means to be a woman and womanhood and getting men out of their life and whatever. 1.00

00:32:34.000 Like, obviously, I think that's making sense.

00:32:36.000 But the underlying principle is that there is such a thing as a woman. 0.92

00:32:40.000 There are women. 1.00

00:32:41.000 Women do exist. 1.00

00:32:43.000 Fascinatingly enough, they are different from men. 1.00

00:32:45.000 Their bodies are different.

00:32:47.000 Their brain chemistry is different.

00:32:49.000 Their desires are different.

00:32:50.000 Their desires are different.

00:32:52.000 I saw this at a very young age.

00:32:54.000 My mom was a feminist. 1.00

00:32:55.000 She was a corporate attorney.

00:32:56.000 She was wildly successful.

00:32:58.000 I didn't grow up with her.

00:32:59.000 I grew up with my dad.

00:33:01.000 After my parents split, I grew up with my dad and eventually his second wife, who really wanted to be a mom.

00:33:08.000 Her whole thing was she wanted to be a stay-at-home mom. 0.51

00:33:11.000 She would make me a cake on the first day of school.

00:33:13.000 You know, she was very intent on making sure that I knew how to take care of a home, that I knew how to take care of myself and to take care of my family while my mom was doing all of the successful things that she was doing. 0.89

00:33:27.000 And I was very proud of my mom.

00:33:30.000 But when I had a child, to me, I was like, okay, so I never want to work full-time again.

00:33:36.000 I always want to be able to drop him off at school.

00:33:39.000 I want to be here when he gets home.

00:33:41.000 I wanted to, and I went full in on the mom stuff.

00:33:44.000 And it turns out that that's the best thing in the world.

00:33:48.000 Like mothering my child is like, I could not, I could not ask for anything more fulfilling or great than that.

00:33:57.000 And I'm a journalist.

00:33:58.000 I had a career in the arts.

00:34:00.000 You know, there's nothing better than raising my child.

00:34:03.000 I want every woman to hear that.

00:34:05.000 It's the truth.

00:34:06.000 My only regret is that like, maybe I don't have another child.

00:34:09.000 You can always adopt more.

00:34:10.000 Now, do you have a male partner that's helping raise the child?

00:34:15.000 My son's dad is very much in his life and he's a great dad.

00:34:18.000 Yeah.

00:34:19.000 And people should have lots of children. 0.99

00:34:20.000 Now, it's a beautiful thing because you had a great career.

00:34:23.000 You still have a great career.

00:34:25.000 And you found meaning and a way to continue your life experience forward and beyond yourself.

00:34:33.000 Right.

00:34:34.000 And that's really what I think is missing, especially in Manhattan.

00:34:39.000 That's the least married city in America. 1.00

00:34:43.000 I don't quite understand.

00:34:44.000 You know, I don't know why people don't want to stick together and raise families together.

00:34:49.000 In secret it's terrible.

00:34:52.000 Right.

00:34:52.000 And they want to try to pursue some, be a vice president, Goldman Sachs or something.

00:34:57.000 Well, yeah, I think that we have sold women a false bill of goods when we tell them that they need to get their graduate degree before starting a family or that their careers are going to be more fulfilling. 1.00

00:35:07.000 And I think we see that in the generation of women who did pursue their goals in that way, and now they're finding that they're missing out on so much.

00:35:15.000 Women really value relationships, I think, across the board. 1.00

00:35:20.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - December 22, 2021

Where Did All The Feminists Go?

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