00:00:47.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:02:01.000I think after the certification of the Electoral College votes, unfortunately, it's all but inevitable that Joe Biden's going to be next president of the United States.
00:02:10.000I think that anyone tells you anything different is not looking at any constitutional provisions that can still be done.
00:02:18.000I've been really upset, Eric, about some people that have really amassed a massive following dealing hopium.
00:02:26.000And that is where people just make stuff up where they're saying.
00:03:04.000There are people out there that have amassed massive followings over the last couple of days and weeks and months, just saying that it's certain that Donald Trump is going to serve a second term.
00:03:15.000And I've always wanted the process to play out in a constitutional way that hopefully would benefit the president.
00:03:21.000I mean, I'm a friend of his and I'm an advocate of his, but I also just think that a lot of people were misled throughout this process.
00:03:28.000And so at this moment, we're 13 days out and it looks like Joe Biden's going to become president.
00:03:36.000I haven't said this, but I am definitely at least partially guilty of what you just said.
00:03:41.000In other words, this is what I'm trying to process because we all process reality differently and we all have different people that we give credence and authority to speak and so on and so forth.
00:03:53.000And for many reasons, it didn't seem possible to me that Biden could win.
00:04:01.000I would say that part of the equation is that if you're as convinced as you and I and others were that the election was not legitimate, then you have to believe that we can uncover the malfeasance and that we can never certify somebody. who in fact was not elected by the American people.
00:04:27.000No, and I wouldn't put you in that category, Eric.
00:04:29.000You and I sat down about a month ago and you were very clear about the odds and the probability and that this would take, you know, a supernatural divine intervention.
00:04:41.000I was talking about people that were talking about just really, I think, dealing in half-truth, saying that you don't understand Donald Trump is going to 100% serve a second term.
00:04:53.000I mean, you and I were hanging around some of those people during that time in early December, and I was trying to tell people, it's not looking good.
00:04:59.000You know, these states are certifying.
00:05:01.000They're not even holding hearings in these state legislatures.
00:05:29.000But I just want to say that this is really complicated.
00:05:32.000I don't want to get into that too much with you, but let me just ask you a couple of point-blank questions.
00:05:37.000Do you think, for example, Mike Pence yesterday did the right thing or not?
00:05:44.000And if he didn't do the right thing, how wrong was it?
00:05:47.000I called for him to use the power that was vested in him as president of the Senate to, at the very least, send back those results to the state legislatures.
00:05:56.000He could have given a two to three sentence statement saying, in the power vested in me granted by the United States Constitution under as the president of the Senate, I am asking for further clarification if these are truly the set of electors that are sent by the Arizona legislature, the Georgia legislature, and the Pennsylvania legislature, because I'm being presented with two dueling sets of electors.
00:06:20.000And so what really bothered me is that Senator Klobuchar, who was kind of the person who was in charge of reading this off in the evening, she said that these electors are true and authentic.
00:06:31.000Well, they were presented with two sets of electors.
00:06:34.000And based on the precedent of 1960 with Richard Nixon, the president of the Senate can choose a separate set of electors than that which is certified, even absent objections from that of Congress.
00:06:45.000So look, the Vice President of the United States, Mike Pence, was under a lot of pressure to do what he did last night.
00:06:54.000I was trying to tell people, though, and this is what frustrated me, Eric.
00:06:57.000I was like, he's probably not going to do what you want him to do.
00:07:00.000He's not going to do what I'm calling for him to do.
00:07:02.000And I was met with people that said, no, you don't understand.
00:07:05.000He's 100% going to send this back down or count it for Trump.
00:07:08.000I was like, I don't know who, I know these people.
00:07:11.000I don't know what kind of line of communication you're in.
00:07:14.000And so now we're going to deal with a lot of fallout, Eric, of people that are all of a sudden probably going to see absent a God-sized miracle.
00:07:20.000And, you know, I'm holding out for it.
00:07:33.000I guess I still want to understand, though, with Mike Pence, but you're saying that if you had been in his shoes, you wouldn't have done what he did yesterday.
00:07:41.000You're saying that he was under tremendous pressure.
00:08:25.000He's not a guy that's into kind of the surprise and the drama of the moment.
00:08:30.000And I would have liked to have seen him over Christmas say, Look, as the president of the Senate, I'm meeting on January the 6th.
00:08:38.000I am not going to accept electors from these six states until I get a roll call vote from the state legislatures for you to tell me under Article 2 that these are actually the electors that you want to seat.
00:08:49.000And those meetings never happened, Eric.
00:08:51.000I just want to be very clear here that a lot of these certifications happened through Secretary of States that were very Democrat and weak Republicans, specifically in Georgia and some of these other states or in Nevada with a Democrat governor.
00:09:05.000A lot of these state legislatures were out of session.
00:09:07.000They were clamoring for the ability to be able to at least hear from these witnesses.
00:09:12.000And for some people, and this is, by the way, Mark Levin completely agrees with this analysis, that it all comes down to the state legislatures.
00:09:19.000And especially how this election was actually conducted was an unconstitutional election.
00:09:24.000They were changes in the election law.
00:09:26.000So the Pennsylvania Constitution clearly states that mail-in balloting must be limited.
00:09:33.000But the Pennsylvania state legislature passed a law unconstitutionally for just everyone to have a ballot.
00:09:39.000The Supreme Court didn't hear a lot of this.
00:09:42.000And so they didn't hear any of it, actually.
00:09:44.000And that was the main complaint of Senator Josh Hawley.
00:09:47.000And so if you go back to the framers' intent, which a lot of these people were hiding behind against their objections, opposing the objections in Congress, they said the founders never would have wanted this.
00:09:59.000They gave a lot of power to the state legislatures.
00:10:02.000The founding fathers gave a lot of power to the state legislatures.
00:10:06.000Remember, until I think it was the 17th Amendment, senators were elected by the state legislatures.
00:10:11.000That's the way they used to get elected.
00:10:13.000It got into the direct election of senators.
00:10:15.000State legislatures were involved in how electoral votes were actually be split and divided.
00:10:20.000And so the founders believe that is the true form of citizen, grassroots local government.
00:10:28.000And so I think that Mike Pence very well could have sent it back down to the state legislatures.
00:10:33.000Do I think that this last-minute kind of kerfuffle getting into that was the right move?
00:10:38.000No, I mean, a strategic plan should have been launched in early December that the president, if they would have said in early December, hey, when those come to me, unless I have a roll call vote from the state legislatures that are affirming that these are the right electors, I'm not going to count them.
00:11:49.000I think he's afraid that he might set a precedent that the vice president all of a sudden might be able to end or do something in an election.
00:11:57.000Now, I actually have the opposite opinion here.
00:12:00.000The opposite opinion is: you might be right, Vice President Pence.
00:12:03.000The Supreme Court has never ruled on this, especially since the Electoral Act of 1877.
00:12:08.000Wouldn't you rather have the Supreme Court rule on you doing this than a future Democrat vice president doing this?
00:12:15.000Wouldn't that be a better set of circumstances so that we can get clarity from the United States Supreme Court that this is actually, because there's actually some confusion of what the president of the Senate can do because Thomas Jefferson, 1800, used a lot of unilateral power to put electors in his direction.
00:12:35.000So we have some precedent where all of a sudden the vice president, the president of the Senate, is kind of able to act in an authority of his or potentially her choosing.
00:12:44.000So wouldn't we want that clarified now when we have a Supreme Court that's constitutionalist in nature?
00:12:50.000So you kind of left the question open, Eric.
00:12:53.000Now the question is kind of unanswered where all of a sudden now, God forbid, one day, you know, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris become president, which looks increasingly likely and looming.
00:13:03.000Well, let's say we defeat them in 2024 and Kamala Harris is still vice president, which is unlikely because we all probably know exactly what's going to happen from there.
00:13:12.000But let's say it's a Democrat vice president.
00:13:14.000All of a sudden, they're going to say, oh, as the president of the Senate, I can do whatever I want to do.
00:13:20.000It could have showed exactly what the parameters are.
00:13:23.000And that's what a lot of us were looking for: is at least show us that you are willing to constitutionally fight this thing out at every single measure imaginable.
00:13:34.000This is to me a perfect example of how 80 million Americans can vote one way and nonetheless have their will thwarted.
00:13:42.000So people when people wonder, hey, how did that happen in Germany?
00:15:20.000I got my political start in a moment just like this, Eric.
00:15:22.000And this is something I have to remind people because what the president did, which is so unbelievably positive, is he brought millions of new people into politics.
00:15:31.000And they were actually disinterested, uninvolved, or Obama supporters back in 2008.
00:15:36.000So now me at 27, I can now play historians.
00:15:40.000Let me tell you what's about to happen.
00:16:09.000Number three is the one that we really got to look out for.
00:16:12.000So if we're smart, we should go ask Joe Manchin right now on the record, do you support adding new states to the union?
00:16:20.000I have a whole very provocative argument that I think that Joe Manchin should run for Senate majority leader and all the Republicans should support him, therefore not allowing Chuck Schumer becoming Senate majority leader.
00:16:32.000So I'm going to come out with that publicly today.
00:16:34.000I guess I'm breaking it exclusively, Eric.
00:16:37.000I did come up with the idea, but it's actually so patently obvious.
00:16:40.000But then here's the other thing that's going to happen, Eric, is that we're going to start to get, it's going to get worse before it gets better.
00:16:45.000They're going to crack down on us like never before.
00:16:48.000There's going to be a lot of indictments, investigations, deplatforming, censoring, loss of hope.
00:16:54.000And then things will, then we're going to have to rally and we're going to have to find some momentum.
00:16:58.000But for anyone who now says, well, the country is over, it's lost, then go to Paris.
00:17:05.000I'm going to fight for every single inch of this country.
00:17:08.000And if you're all of a sudden going to be these people that there's a direct connection of the people that were dealing in hoping, like, give me the hopium.
00:17:15.000And now the people that want nothing to do with it.
00:17:38.000If this election was stolen, which we believe it was, that's just huge.
00:17:43.000It's, it's, it's impossible for me to recognize Biden as the president.
00:17:48.000In other words, I actually think because of what I have seen, that he becomes technically the president, but we've never, if he gets sworn in, we will never in the history of this country have a president with a bigger asterisk next to his name.
00:19:22.000So, I mean, there were counties where the turnout was low.
00:19:26.000So you can have the tabulation of votes and that.
00:19:29.000But when you have people that have emailed us on our podcast and they said, hey, I'm an election judge and on election day, we're a very Republican county.
00:19:39.000We had this many people turn out and we only had this many people go through the door.
00:19:43.000I'm going to trust that grassroots patriot in Southern Georgia.
00:19:47.000Whether that stuff was tabulated correct or not, but I'm just talking about the volume of people that showed up.
00:19:53.000Yeah, because Trump said we need to swarm them.