The Charlie Kirk Show - January 11, 2021


Where Do We Go From Here? With Eric Metaxas


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Eric Metaxas and Charlie Kirk discuss the election of Joe Biden as the next president of the United States, and why it s not just about the results of the election, it s about what it means for the future of our country.

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00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.
00:00:00.000 Where do we go from here?
00:00:02.000 My impactful conversation with the great Eric Metaxas right here, right now.
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00:00:19.000 Eric Metaxas and I chat about what's happening in our country.
00:00:23.000 Buckle up, everybody.
00:00:24.000 Here we go.
00:00:26.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:27.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
00:00:29.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
00:00:33.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
00:00:36.000 I want to thank Charlie.
00:00:37.000 He's an incredible guy.
00:00:38.000 His spirit, his love of this country.
00:00:40.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.
00:00:45.000 Turning point USA.
00:00:47.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:00:55.000 That's why we are here.
00:00:59.000 As most people know, I process grief through dance.
00:01:05.000 I just rent a dance studio.
00:01:07.000 I put on the unit chart and I express my grief privately.
00:01:12.000 But since this is a program, we're not going to be able to do that.
00:01:15.000 So I thought, let me see if I can bring somebody on who can help me figure out what's cooking right now.
00:01:21.000 And I thought, hey, what about Charlie Kirk?
00:01:22.000 People said, you'll never get him.
00:01:24.000 His head is so big.
00:01:26.000 He won't talk to anybody at your level.
00:01:27.000 I said, you know what?
00:01:28.000 With God, all things are possible.
00:01:30.000 And Suzanne and I sought the Lord.
00:01:33.000 And anyway, we fell asleep and I woke up and here's Charlie.
00:01:37.000 Charlie, welcome.
00:01:38.000 What's going on?
00:01:38.000 What's new, man?
00:01:39.000 We're here.
00:01:40.000 I do have, some people say I do have a big head, but for different, literally.
00:01:44.000 So here we are.
00:01:45.000 Oh, literally, literally is fine.
00:01:47.000 Literally is fine.
00:01:50.000 We just did an hour talking to Kevin McCullough, and I've been saying a lot about this stuff.
00:01:55.000 There are a lot of questions people have.
00:01:56.000 So let me just throw it to you without much of a question.
00:01:59.000 What are you thinking?
00:02:00.000 Where are we?
00:02:01.000 I think after the certification of the Electoral College votes, unfortunately, it's all but inevitable that Joe Biden's going to be next president of the United States.
00:02:10.000 I think that anyone tells you anything different is not looking at any constitutional provisions that can still be done.
00:02:18.000 I've been really upset, Eric, about some people that have really amassed a massive following dealing hopium. 0.89
00:02:26.000 And that is where people just make stuff up where they're saying.
00:02:32.000 Give me an example.
00:02:33.000 Give me an example.
00:02:33.000 I'll give you a great example.
00:02:35.000 That President Trump was in Texas yesterday, that he was there to try to plan some sort of motivation.
00:02:43.000 Before you get into that, I just want to I want to tell you, here's the good news, Charlie.
00:02:46.000 Most people are not like sipping from that straw.
00:02:52.000 You're so deep into that.
00:02:53.000 Well, no, no, no.
00:02:53.000 I know there's people there.
00:02:55.000 I'm not saying there aren't a lot of people, but I'm saying in the scheme of things, like I hadn't even heard about that.
00:03:00.000 So I know that there's that kind of stuff.
00:03:03.000 I'm talking about bigger level stuff.
00:03:04.000 There are people out there that have amassed massive followings over the last couple of days and weeks and months, just saying that it's certain that Donald Trump is going to serve a second term.
00:03:15.000 And I've always wanted the process to play out in a constitutional way that hopefully would benefit the president.
00:03:21.000 I mean, I'm a friend of his and I'm an advocate of his, but I also just think that a lot of people were misled throughout this process.
00:03:28.000 And so at this moment, we're 13 days out and it looks like Joe Biden's going to become president.
00:03:34.000 Okay, well, then I want to say this.
00:03:36.000 I haven't said this, but I am definitely at least partially guilty of what you just said.
00:03:41.000 In other words, this is what I'm trying to process because we all process reality differently and we all have different people that we give credence and authority to speak and so on and so forth.
00:03:53.000 And for many reasons, it didn't seem possible to me that Biden could win.
00:04:01.000 I would say that part of the equation is that if you're as convinced as you and I and others were that the election was not legitimate, then you have to believe that we can uncover the malfeasance and that we can never certify somebody. who in fact was not elected by the American people.
00:04:24.000 So it's a little confusing as well.
00:04:27.000 No, and I wouldn't put you in that category, Eric.
00:04:29.000 You and I sat down about a month ago and you were very clear about the odds and the probability and that this would take, you know, a supernatural divine intervention.
00:04:39.000 I wouldn't put you in that category.
00:04:41.000 I was talking about people that were talking about just really, I think, dealing in half-truth, saying that you don't understand Donald Trump is going to 100% serve a second term.
00:04:53.000 I mean, you and I were hanging around some of those people during that time in early December, and I was trying to tell people, it's not looking good.
00:04:59.000 You know, these states are certifying.
00:05:01.000 They're not even holding hearings in these state legislatures.
00:05:03.000 So look, where are we?
00:05:06.000 Absent, you know, a God-sized miracle in the next 13 days.
00:05:10.000 I don't know constitutionally how it would work at this point.
00:05:13.000 I'm really more guilty of that.
00:05:15.000 You don't need to be aware of it.
00:05:16.000 But in other words, I want to confess it in a sense that that is without any question, at least part of what my thinking was.
00:05:27.000 And we don't need to focus on that.
00:05:29.000 But I just want to say that this is really complicated.
00:05:32.000 I don't want to get into that too much with you, but let me just ask you a couple of point-blank questions.
00:05:37.000 Do you think, for example, Mike Pence yesterday did the right thing or not?
00:05:44.000 And if he didn't do the right thing, how wrong was it?
00:05:47.000 I called for him to use the power that was vested in him as president of the Senate to, at the very least, send back those results to the state legislatures.
00:05:56.000 He could have given a two to three sentence statement saying, in the power vested in me granted by the United States Constitution under as the president of the Senate, I am asking for further clarification if these are truly the set of electors that are sent by the Arizona legislature, the Georgia legislature, and the Pennsylvania legislature, because I'm being presented with two dueling sets of electors.
00:06:20.000 And so what really bothered me is that Senator Klobuchar, who was kind of the person who was in charge of reading this off in the evening, she said that these electors are true and authentic.
00:06:31.000 Well, they were presented with two sets of electors.
00:06:34.000 And based on the precedent of 1960 with Richard Nixon, the president of the Senate can choose a separate set of electors than that which is certified, even absent objections from that of Congress.
00:06:45.000 So look, the Vice President of the United States, Mike Pence, was under a lot of pressure to do what he did last night.
00:06:52.000 And that's what he ended up doing.
00:06:54.000 I was trying to tell people, though, and this is what frustrated me, Eric.
00:06:57.000 I was like, he's probably not going to do what you want him to do.
00:07:00.000 He's not going to do what I'm calling for him to do.
00:07:02.000 And I was met with people that said, no, you don't understand.
00:07:05.000 He's 100% going to send this back down or count it for Trump.
00:07:08.000 I was like, I don't know who, I know these people.
00:07:11.000 I don't know what kind of line of communication you're in.
00:07:14.000 And so now we're going to deal with a lot of fallout, Eric, of people that are all of a sudden probably going to see absent a God-sized miracle.
00:07:20.000 And, you know, I'm holding out for it.
00:07:22.000 You know, that can happen.
00:07:23.000 The God of the Bible too.
00:07:25.000 But I'm just saying constitutionally, he's been chosen by the Electoral College and certified by Congress.
00:07:32.000 The measures are kind of there.
00:07:33.000 I guess I still want to understand, though, with Mike Pence, but you're saying that if you had been in his shoes, you wouldn't have done what he did yesterday.
00:07:41.000 You're saying that he was under tremendous pressure.
00:07:44.000 Who cares, Charlie?
00:07:45.000 Leadership is doing the right thing.
00:07:49.000 So my question is, did he do the right thing?
00:07:51.000 I have to be very careful the way I answer this because I don't know what it's like to be vice president of the United States.
00:07:56.000 I don't know if there were other problems.
00:07:59.000 Oh, yes, you do.
00:08:00.000 But I'm just, I don't like this Monday morning quarterback of, you know, you, but I will say this.
00:08:05.000 I don't think constitutionally he acted with courage or clarity.
00:08:09.000 I don't.
00:08:10.000 And I think that he very well could have sent it back down to the state legislatures or not counted those electors at all.
00:08:17.000 And here's my other opinion, though, Eric.
00:08:20.000 I knew this wasn't going to happen because he said it wasn't going to happen.
00:08:24.000 Right.
00:08:25.000 He's not a guy that's into kind of the surprise and the drama of the moment.
00:08:30.000 And I would have liked to have seen him over Christmas say, Look, as the president of the Senate, I'm meeting on January the 6th.
00:08:38.000 I am not going to accept electors from these six states until I get a roll call vote from the state legislatures for you to tell me under Article 2 that these are actually the electors that you want to seat.
00:08:49.000 And those meetings never happened, Eric.
00:08:51.000 I just want to be very clear here that a lot of these certifications happened through Secretary of States that were very Democrat and weak Republicans, specifically in Georgia and some of these other states or in Nevada with a Democrat governor.
00:09:05.000 A lot of these state legislatures were out of session.
00:09:07.000 They were clamoring for the ability to be able to at least hear from these witnesses.
00:09:12.000 And for some people, and this is, by the way, Mark Levin completely agrees with this analysis, that it all comes down to the state legislatures.
00:09:19.000 And especially how this election was actually conducted was an unconstitutional election.
00:09:24.000 They were changes in the election law.
00:09:26.000 So the Pennsylvania Constitution clearly states that mail-in balloting must be limited.
00:09:32.000 It must be rare.
00:09:33.000 But the Pennsylvania state legislature passed a law unconstitutionally for just everyone to have a ballot.
00:09:39.000 The Supreme Court didn't hear a lot of this.
00:09:42.000 And so they didn't hear any of it, actually.
00:09:44.000 And that was the main complaint of Senator Josh Hawley.
00:09:47.000 And so if you go back to the framers' intent, which a lot of these people were hiding behind against their objections, opposing the objections in Congress, they said the founders never would have wanted this.
00:09:58.000 Like, no, you don't understand.
00:09:59.000 They gave a lot of power to the state legislatures.
00:10:02.000 The founding fathers gave a lot of power to the state legislatures.
00:10:06.000 Remember, until I think it was the 17th Amendment, senators were elected by the state legislatures.
00:10:11.000 That's the way they used to get elected.
00:10:13.000 It got into the direct election of senators.
00:10:15.000 State legislatures were involved in how electoral votes were actually be split and divided.
00:10:20.000 And so the founders believe that is the true form of citizen, grassroots local government.
00:10:28.000 And so I think that Mike Pence very well could have sent it back down to the state legislatures.
00:10:33.000 Do I think that this last-minute kind of kerfuffle getting into that was the right move?
00:10:38.000 No, I mean, a strategic plan should have been launched in early December that the president, if they would have said in early December, hey, when those come to me, unless I have a roll call vote from the state legislatures that are affirming that these are the right electors, I'm not going to count them.
00:10:53.000 And so why didn't he do that?
00:10:57.000 I can't comment on that.
00:10:58.000 I don't know.
00:10:59.000 I don't know.
00:11:00.000 That would be pure speculation.
00:11:04.000 It would be pure speculation.
00:11:05.000 I know that he was under a lot of pressure from a lot of people to turn the page and keep things as is.
00:11:10.000 If I were to give him the argument of the benefit.
00:11:13.000 What people, when you say that, who in the world are we talking about?
00:11:17.000 Like people that.
00:11:18.000 No, we're just talking about senators, friends of his.
00:11:21.000 And let me give a benefit of the doubt argument to Mike Pence, one that I do not share and I do not agree with.
00:11:28.000 Because I do consider him a friend and he's been very good to me.
00:11:30.000 And I think he's been very loyal to the president throughout the presidency, which is I think he's afraid constitutionally.
00:11:39.000 This is the best case argument, just so we're clear.
00:11:41.000 And other people can speculate, and I don't like doing that because that's, you know, that's not evidence-based stuff.
00:11:47.000 But this I do have evidence for.
00:11:49.000 I think he's afraid that he might set a precedent that the vice president all of a sudden might be able to end or do something in an election.
00:11:57.000 Now, I actually have the opposite opinion here.
00:12:00.000 The opposite opinion is: you might be right, Vice President Pence.
00:12:03.000 The Supreme Court has never ruled on this, especially since the Electoral Act of 1877.
00:12:08.000 Wouldn't you rather have the Supreme Court rule on you doing this than a future Democrat vice president doing this?
00:12:15.000 Wouldn't that be a better set of circumstances so that we can get clarity from the United States Supreme Court that this is actually, because there's actually some confusion of what the president of the Senate can do because Thomas Jefferson, 1800, used a lot of unilateral power to put electors in his direction.
00:12:33.000 Richard Nixon did it in 1960.
00:12:35.000 So we have some precedent where all of a sudden the vice president, the president of the Senate, is kind of able to act in an authority of his or potentially her choosing.
00:12:44.000 So wouldn't we want that clarified now when we have a Supreme Court that's constitutionalist in nature?
00:12:50.000 So you kind of left the question open, Eric.
00:12:53.000 Now the question is kind of unanswered where all of a sudden now, God forbid, one day, you know, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris become president, which looks increasingly likely and looming.
00:13:03.000 Well, let's say we defeat them in 2024 and Kamala Harris is still vice president, which is unlikely because we all probably know exactly what's going to happen from there.
00:13:12.000 But let's say it's a Democrat vice president.
00:13:14.000 All of a sudden, they're going to say, oh, as the president of the Senate, I can do whatever I want to do.
00:13:18.000 It could have clarified it.
00:13:20.000 It could have showed exactly what the parameters are.
00:13:23.000 And that's what a lot of us were looking for: is at least show us that you are willing to constitutionally fight this thing out at every single measure imaginable.
00:13:34.000 This is to me a perfect example of how 80 million Americans can vote one way and nonetheless have their will thwarted.
00:13:42.000 So people when people wonder, hey, how did that happen in Germany?
00:13:46.000 Why didn't they speak up?
00:13:48.000 You know, I really think that this is an example with the mask mandates and this kind of thing of how it's not so simple.
00:13:48.000 Whatever.
00:13:57.000 It's not so simple because we want to know what can I do?
00:14:00.000 What can I do right now?
00:14:01.000 Who is leading?
00:14:02.000 Ultimately, Charlie, one thing that I'm learning is that it is about leadership.
00:14:08.000 It is about leadership.
00:14:09.000 You need people to take control of the narrative and to speak into it.
00:14:15.000 In many ways, Trump is an absolutely unprecedentedly great leader.
00:14:20.000 In other ways, not, but I think mainly he is.
00:14:24.000 The problem, though, and this often happens when you have a really great leader, you don't have much of a bench.
00:14:31.000 Like there's Trump and then there's, you know, I don't know, Mitch McConnell.
00:14:36.000 It doesn't seem to me that there have been voices.
00:14:40.000 Maybe he has sucked all the oxygen out of the room and prevented those people from having.
00:14:44.000 I don't really know, but that's what I'm trying to puzzle out.
00:14:47.000 And I guess I wonder what the president is thinking.
00:14:50.000 Look, again, absent a God-sized miracle, Joe Biden is going to become president.
00:14:54.000 And I wasn't that blunt about saying this prior to the certification of Congress.
00:14:58.000 I was holding out the constitutional measures that could have had, you know, an 1876 election.
00:15:02.000 But, you know, I just want to be very clear here.
00:15:04.000 Look, we have a good bench.
00:15:05.000 We have Governor Ron DeSantis.
00:15:07.000 We have Governor Christy Noam.
00:15:09.000 We have Josh Hawley, Senator Ted Carruz.
00:15:11.000 And I think you're going to see a lot of amazing voices.
00:15:13.000 You have the new lieutenant governor of North Carolina, who's a total superstar.
00:15:17.000 And so, look, new voices are going to emerge.
00:15:19.000 I lived through this.
00:15:20.000 I got my political start in a moment just like this, Eric.
00:15:22.000 And this is something I have to remind people because what the president did, which is so unbelievably positive, is he brought millions of new people into politics.
00:15:31.000 And they were actually disinterested, uninvolved, or Obama supporters back in 2008.
00:15:36.000 So now me at 27, I can now play historians.
00:15:40.000 Let me tell you what's about to happen.
00:15:41.000 Okay. 0.76
00:15:43.000 When Democrats have unified government, they're going to reach too big.
00:15:48.000 Okay.
00:15:48.000 I'm going to tell you what's going to happen right now.
00:15:50.000 They are going to try to go way, way too big, and they're going to fail with a lot of it.
00:15:56.000 We now have to pinpoint, though, what fights matter most.
00:15:59.000 Number one, the continuation of the Electoral College.
00:16:03.000 Number two, no more seats on the Supreme Court.
00:16:06.000 Number three, no new states.
00:16:09.000 Number three is the one that we really got to look out for.
00:16:12.000 So if we're smart, we should go ask Joe Manchin right now on the record, do you support adding new states to the union?
00:16:20.000 I have a whole very provocative argument that I think that Joe Manchin should run for Senate majority leader and all the Republicans should support him, therefore not allowing Chuck Schumer becoming Senate majority leader.
00:16:32.000 So I'm going to come out with that publicly today.
00:16:34.000 I guess I'm breaking it exclusively, Eric.
00:16:37.000 I did come up with the idea, but it's actually so patently obvious.
00:16:40.000 But then here's the other thing that's going to happen, Eric, is that we're going to start to get, it's going to get worse before it gets better.
00:16:45.000 They're going to crack down on us like never before.
00:16:48.000 There's going to be a lot of indictments, investigations, deplatforming, censoring, loss of hope.
00:16:54.000 And then things will, then we're going to have to rally and we're going to have to find some momentum.
00:16:58.000 But for anyone who now says, well, the country is over, it's lost, then go to Paris.
00:17:02.000 Okay.
00:17:03.000 I have no time for you right now.
00:17:04.000 Okay.
00:17:05.000 I'm going to fight for every single inch of this country.
00:17:08.000 And if you're all of a sudden going to be these people that there's a direct connection of the people that were dealing in hoping, like, give me the hopium.
00:17:15.000 And now the people that want nothing to do with it.
00:17:17.000 It's over.
00:17:18.000 It's done.
00:17:18.000 Fine.
00:17:19.000 Yeah.
00:17:20.000 Go to Brussels.
00:17:21.000 Okay.
00:17:21.000 I want nothing to do with that.
00:17:23.000 We got to fight.
00:17:27.000 No, I, and you, boy, you know, I agree with you.
00:17:30.000 This is the, um, what I find interesting is that what are our, what are the parameters for fighting going to be going forward?
00:17:37.000 I mean, look, I'll say it again.
00:17:38.000 If this election was stolen, which we believe it was, that's just huge.
00:17:43.000 It's, it's, it's impossible for me to recognize Biden as the president.
00:17:48.000 In other words, I actually think because of what I have seen, that he becomes technically the president, but we've never, if he gets sworn in, we will never in the history of this country have a president with a bigger asterisk next to his name.
00:18:04.000 It's way bigger than the name.
00:18:07.000 That's to me the problem is trying to figure out how you deal with that.
00:18:11.000 And what happens, Charlie?
00:18:13.000 We just got a minute.
00:18:13.000 What happens if, well, first question, will we be able to uncover the fraud, number one?
00:18:22.000 Number two, if we can uncover it, what are the processes for doing that?
00:18:26.000 And then what would happen if we determine Trump won six months from now?
00:18:31.000 Yeah, there really is no recourse to undo this constitutional certification.
00:18:35.000 You could impeach the vice president, the president.
00:18:38.000 Well, no, we can't because we lost in Georgia.
00:18:41.000 And by the way, we lost in Georgia, by the way, Eric, because of charlatans that told Trump supporters to stay at home.
00:18:47.000 Just so we're clear, if the Trump supporters...
00:18:50.000 So you're accusing Linwood of being a hopium seller.
00:18:52.000 No, no, no. 0.98
00:18:53.000 Eric, we lost the Senate because of him.
00:18:55.000 No, no, I guess that's what I'm saying in a way is that you brought up his name.
00:19:02.000 I'm just being very, I'm just being very blunt because I don't like personalizing this stuff.
00:19:06.000 But my question is, isn't it true that we didn't lose Georgia?
00:19:11.000 Isn't it true that that was fraudulent?
00:19:12.000 No?
00:19:13.000 Yeah, there was probably fraud.
00:19:15.000 There were probably machines in all that.
00:19:16.000 But again, we know that there was turnout that didn't exist, Eric.
00:19:21.000 The people did not show up.
00:19:22.000 So, I mean, there were counties where the turnout was low.
00:19:26.000 So you can have the tabulation of votes and that.
00:19:29.000 But when you have people that have emailed us on our podcast and they said, hey, I'm an election judge and on election day, we're a very Republican county.
00:19:39.000 We had this many people turn out and we only had this many people go through the door.
00:19:43.000 I'm going to trust that grassroots patriot in Southern Georgia.
00:19:47.000 Whether that stuff was tabulated correct or not, but I'm just talking about the volume of people that showed up.
00:19:53.000 Yeah, because Trump said we need to swarm them.
00:19:55.000 And we need to win big.
00:19:57.000 And if you don't win big, you lose.
00:19:59.000 Wow.
00:20:00.000 Charlie, the world is a better place because you're in it, my friend.
00:20:06.000 It's a joy to have you on this program.
00:20:07.000 It's a joy to know you to be continued.
00:20:10.000 God bless you.
00:20:11.000 Thank you.
00:20:11.000 Thanks, Eric.
00:20:15.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:20:17.000 Email us your questions, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:20:19.000 Get involved at TurningPointUSA, tpusa.com.
00:20:22.000 Thank you guys so much for listening.
00:20:24.000 God bless.