The Charlie Kirk Show - Where the Grassroots Goes Next

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here live from the Bitcoin.com studio.

00:00:04.000 How do we keep the Republican Party strong?

00:00:06.000 Happy Labor Day.

00:00:07.000 It is my conversation with Tyler Boyer, COO of Turning Point Action.

00:00:11.000 I think you're really going to enjoy this conversation that is the chief operating officer of Turning Point Action, TPAction.com.

00:00:19.000 That is TPAction.com.

00:00:21.000 Buckle up everybody here.

00:00:23.000 We go.

00:00:23.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:25.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

00:00:27.000 I want you to know we are lucky.

00:00:29.000 to have Charlie Kirk.

00:00:30.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:00:34.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:00:35.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:00:36.000 His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazinging job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.

00:00:44.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:00:53.000 That's why we are here.

00:00:57.000 Tyler has been with us, everybody, count him for ten years.

00:01:00.000 He has been with us for ten years.

00:01:02.000 He is the mastermind of the Campus Victory Project and also the CEO of Turning Point Action.

00:01:09.000 I want, so we have about thirty five ish minutes with Tyler.

00:01:12.000 Is that about right, guys?

00:01:14.000 We're going to blow all of our time today, but I do want to be able to get some audience questions.

00:01:18.000 And this is going to be all I want to talk about politics in particular.

00:01:21.000 The elections, what did we learn, the state of like what's happening right now, the state of the RNC, the grassroots, the establishment, so much happening.

00:01:30.000 So first, Tyler, how are you?

00:01:32.000 Charlie, it's going to be here.

00:01:33.000 I got to match Alex's energy here.

00:01:34.000 Like, good luck.

00:01:35.000 That's Maha.

00:01:36.000 And I'll tell you what.

00:01:37.000 That's Maha energy. 0.91

00:01:38.000 But I'm actually following a lot of those protocols.

00:01:41.000 You look great.

00:01:41.000 Tyler looks great, doesn't he?

00:01:42.000 I'll tell you.

00:01:43.000 No more fast food, no coffee.

00:01:44.000 That's big.

00:01:46.000 That's big for you.

00:01:46.000 Yeah.

00:01:46.000 Huge.

00:01:47.000 That would.

00:01:48.000 That was in the last election.

00:01:50.000 The number one advice I can give everybody is you got to quit Celsius, all the caffeine, all that.

00:01:55.000 I totally agree.

00:01:56.000 It just kills you.

00:01:57.000 So if you don't know what Celsius is, don't stay away from that stuff.

00:02:00.000 The monsters.

00:02:02.000 So Tyler, what you ran the largest ever ballot chasing operation in Republican Party history, 1000 full time people.

00:02:12.000 I was able to take credit for it and kind of watch it from afar, but you hired the people, you sourced the people.

00:02:18.000 What did you learn through that whole process?

00:02:20.000 We had, I mean, for all those who are listening, that run a business, that have housed hundreds of people in a business, you know that that comes with a lot of, a lot of struggles.

00:02:33.000 The hiring process alone, identifying the right people to be able to accept, adopt a culture and then get into the job is what's part of building the business.

00:02:42.000 That's what we've done at Turning Point so well on the backs of a lot of really great advisors that have helped us along the way.

00:02:48.000 So it's great that at Turning Point we had a brand that we could attract people to and that we had a culture that we could attract people to.

00:02:56.000 A lot of political operations don't have that.

00:02:58.000 And so we've been really blessed because people could look at Charlie and see the Charlie Kirk show every single day and go, I want to be part of that.

00:03:05.000 They could see the brand that Turning Point USA had built and say, I want to be part of that.

00:03:10.000 That's unique and that's what I think enabled us.

00:03:12.000 I mean, you and you and I sat down, talked about this and we said, we looked around and we said, there's no one actually doing the whole political operation the right way.

00:03:21.000 CFORCE, PACS, they've just for years just kind of come in at the last minute, raise a bunch of money from donors, and then they just throw whatever they possibly can in the sloppyest way possible at an election.

00:03:35.000 And that's not enough to win.

00:03:37.000 You have to do it the way that the left does, which is the left has for years been talking and harping about the community organizer model, the relationship building model, every customer that's out there that's a voter., you know, trying to get them over the line to vote for maybe the first time in a long time or for the first time ever,

00:03:56.000 especially when we talk about the youth voters and why we had so much success and such a dramatic increase with youth voters is because when you focus in your conversations that right way, then it works and for us that blends with the hiring process because anyone that understands that and actually gets drills deep into the process, the brand, the culture of what we're trying to do, it becomes easier.

00:04:19.000 But hiring a thousand people, how, how, what period of time did you have to hire a thousand human beings to go chasing ballots in the Arizona Sun?

00:04:26.000 Well, we were very, very lucky because we have, again, a lot of people who are already near and dear to us.

00:04:32.000 College students, but college students, volunteers, members of TPUC.

00:04:35.000 Tight staff, that people who used to work for us, people who used to work for us, their parents, uncles, aunts, siblings.

00:04:43.000 so again, that's why it's so important to establish long term credible organizations in places that matter, like Arizona, like other places, other swing states.

00:04:52.000 We need a turning point esque operation in every swing state.

00:04:56.000 Yes.

00:04:57.000 Uh, but to the point is you still have challenges.

00:05:00.000 You still have to vet every single one of these people individually.

00:05:04.000 You have to look at their entire social media background.

00:05:06.000 You have to pull all of their.

00:05:09.000 past, they do a background check on every single person.

00:05:12.000 You can't just hire willy nilly.

00:05:13.000 And then when they got hired, you know, as you know, you're aware of many of these issues, as you have people who do crazy things.

00:05:20.000 Why the full time model?

00:05:21.000 Why, Tyler, did you not say, let's just hire people part time and use volunteers?

00:05:26.000 Why, why did you make the argument that full time labor was essential for this operation, the successful operation?

00:05:34.000 It wasn't even us that made the argument.

00:05:35.000 The left made the argument for us, right?

00:05:37.000 Because the left actually years ago, about twenty five years ago, started putting full time people on every job.

00:05:41.000 The Blueprint was part of that here in this state.

00:05:43.000 Yeah.

00:05:43.000 So where we are right now in Colorado, this is where it was born..

00:05:47.000 You have the combination of Arabella and Democracy Alliance. 1.00

00:05:51.000 Without getting into all the details, well, Arabella is essentially the funding mechanism that's able to go out and do a bunch of special projects that enable the left to do a bunch of crazy things. 1.00

00:06:01.000 Whenever you see something crazy, you're like, how did that enter the zeitgeist?

00:06:05.000 It probably came from Arabella's infrastructure and we have full presentations on this. 0.90

00:06:10.000 But here in Colorado is where CODA started, the Colorado Democracy Alliance, and that was intended to replace the Democratic Party in Colorado because what the Democrats realized early on that the Republican Party still hasn't figured out is that the party itself, the apparatus, is actually pretty useless.

00:06:28.000 It actually is worse than useless.

00:06:29.000 It gets in the way more times than it actually helps.

00:06:32.000 And so what the Democrats here in Colorado did was they realized, oh, we are going to create an alternate party structure outside of the party.

00:06:41.000 And again, we're going to call it Democracy Alliance, and this is the permanent infrastructure that we're going to build because we can't count on the Democratic Party to actually show up and do all the right things.

00:06:50.000 And they did that, and they did it very well, and they did it so well they were able to spread it across the entire country, and Colorado Democracy Alliance became Democracy Alliance, and our side is still kind of going, oh, well, we got to check in with, you know, with the, you know, again, not to throw Mitch McConnell, Mitch McConnell, all of these.

00:07:07.000 I don't think there's any Mitch McConnell fans here.

00:07:10.000 Establishment checkpoints before you fund.

00:07:13.000 So this is an important point.

00:07:14.000 So the Democrat infrastructure was always outside of the party.

00:07:19.000 And one of the reasons we were able to win in 2016 and 2024.

00:07:24.000 is not because of infrastructure we helped, but because Donald Trump is a once in a hundred year candidate.

00:07:28.000 Right.

00:07:29.000 Would you agree?

00:07:29.000 Yeah.

00:07:30.000 It was just so outrageous.

00:07:31.000 So in a good way, like so overwhelmingly positive and popular that it forgave all the sins of the Republican infrastructure.

00:07:40.000 So this is the most important point, Charlie, is that you have to have a candidate that enables that outside organization organism to actually survive.

00:07:50.000 So if you don't have candidates that are actually exciting for those people to come take the job and work, for those people to show up and knock the doors and build relationships two years ago, you can't do it.

00:08:02.000 Donald Trump actually unlocked something because for the first time in a long time, maybe ever, the general populace was like, I want to go work for that guy.

00:08:12.000 And that's what enables that relational organizing community organizing model to work.

00:08:17.000 And so the Democrats have actually been focused on this.

00:08:20.000 And this is what Obama unlocked for them.

00:08:22.000 Obama was able to get people up and get people excited.

00:08:26.000 This is actually where they're struggling is because they're at the national level really lacking that interest.

00:08:32.000 Our side has to realize that and realize, hey, moving forward, you know, after Donald Trump, you're going to have to make sure that the people love and want to get up and work for that person who's running.

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00:09:47.000 So part of what we are building and more specifically what you are building that, you know, we're doing together is trying to build an outside party.

00:09:57.000 organizational apparatus that is not at odds necessarily with the establishment Republican Party at all times.

00:10:03.000 We'll pick some fights every so often where necessary if they go out of control like Liz Cheney or McConnell.

00:10:09.000 Yeah, destructive stuff.

00:10:11.000 Yeah.

00:10:12.000 But instead, it is an outside organization.

00:10:15.000 Why, what can an outside organization do that the party itself cannot do?

00:10:20.000 Again, I'm not knocking the RNC.

00:10:22.000 I get along with Chairman Watley.

00:10:23.000 He's running for the Senate.

00:10:24.000 We've come a long way since Ronna McDaniel, McRomney.

00:10:28.000 And Tyler deserves credit because he picked the fight first.

00:10:30.000 We just finished it.

00:10:31.000 And I believe that if she would remain Chairman, Donald Trump would not be President today.

00:10:34.000 I'm sorry.

00:10:36.000 I could prove that point.

00:10:37.000 I think if Ronna would have stayed and ran the RNC, Donald Trump would not have won in November.

00:10:41.000 I think she would have prevented Donald Trump's victory, believe it or not.

00:10:44.000 No question.

00:10:44.000 Anyway, and that's not a knock at Trump.

00:10:46.000 That's just a knock at Ronna.

00:10:48.000 But Tyler, what can an outside organization do?

00:10:51.000 Why is it different?

00:10:56.000 So everyone knows there are a number of different things that the party cannot do that outsiders or nonprofits can do.

00:11:03.000 And the first and foremost, and the first big problem is just funding limitations.

00:11:09.000 Parties can only accept so much money in most states.

00:11:12.000 900,000 dollars a year.

00:11:13.000 Yeah, but then it drills down into candidates.

00:11:17.000 So it's very complicated.

00:11:18.000 Candidates can only collect so much per person per year.

00:11:22.000 When you get into the outside, obviously we know independent expenditures, things like that.

00:11:26.000 But this is the problem that exists.

00:11:29.000 The candidate cycle in America is essentially two years, right?

00:11:32.000 So most people don't announce that they're running more than two years before they're actually going to run.

00:11:39.000 It's typically less than that.

00:11:40.000 The average is usually less than a year, believe it or not.

00:11:44.000 And there's no possible and fundamental way that you can build a campaign infrastructure that can do all the things that are necessary to win if the other side is doing them full time.

00:11:55.000 So the first and foremost is hiring door knockers, hiring people that are going to build effective relationships for you out in the field.

00:12:03.000 The second is legal.

00:12:05.000 There's no way that you're going to be able to fight a fight with someone in the remaining 60 days of the election if your opponent's been basically crafting an entire legal strategy against you for two to four years.

00:12:17.000 And this is part of what the law fair thing has been, has been done to Donald Trump that nobody ever talks about and to you.

00:12:22.000 Is the outside.

00:12:23.000 Yeah, and to me, which is, you know, we're winning this thing, but you know, you have a real struggle with that.

00:12:29.000 The third thing, which is most critical with parties that people never talk about too, is that most people don't realize those that have been involved, who here has been involved with, with, like, their local Republican party?

00:12:40.000 Okay.

00:12:42.000 A little more than half the room.

00:12:43.000 If you've ever walked in, that's more than I can.

00:12:46.000 When you walk in, how has your experience been in that in that fundamental time the DMV is better it's a little it's a little crazy I'd rather go through TSA it's it's a little gritty sometimes you walk in there's like kind of just fighting happening that's going on you don't really know what's going on and people they have fax machines everybody some of it's really old so when I took over when I was the county chairman in Maricopa County over 10 years ago now It's amazing.

00:13:14.000 10 years ago.

00:13:15.000 I was in my mid-20s and my average precinct committee member was 71.

00:13:20.000 So there's sometimes a cultural divide that happens.

00:13:23.000 But the most critical part is that most of those jobs for leadership are too two years or less, right?

00:13:28.000 So they're two years.

00:13:30.000 The average state party chair, Charlie, only serves for a year.

00:13:34.000 States like Hawaii have gone through like five or six in the last couple of years.

00:13:37.000 So you have a real problem when you have the party leadership only being able to survive for months.

00:13:43.000 And by the time they get in, they get their feet wet, they're figuring it out.

00:13:47.000 It's already six months down the road, they're almost checking out by the time they check in.

00:13:52.000 So there's no way for the party itself to actually do the job that everyone claims when they become chair that they're doing.

00:13:59.000 Yes.

00:13:59.000 And that was the Ronna problem that you brought up.

00:14:01.000 The fundamental problem with Ronna was she was going across the whole country, telling everyone she was doing all the work that was necessary to win. 0.85

00:14:07.000 And upon further inspection., nothing of that was being done.

00:14:11.000 So, how are we at Turning Point Action going about fixing this?

00:14:16.000 Yeah.

00:14:16.000 So the outside model works.

00:14:19.000 We proved that this last election cycle.

00:14:22.000 The biggest swing of any state was Arizona, and it wasn't by any mistake.

00:14:26.000 It was hard, nose to the grindstone, boots on the ground, as Charlie says, tennis shoes and clipboard work.

00:14:33.000 We gave it all we had.

00:14:34.000 That was throwing absolutely everything you possibly can.

00:14:37.000 We threw everything we had.

00:14:39.000 Everything, everything.

00:14:40.000 I mean, we literally just like, leashed on the state.

00:14:43.000 And the outcome was exactly what we expected.

00:14:47.000 was that we had a body of about 400,000 people who didn't vote in 2016 or 2020.

00:14:53.000 And Charlie brought up something earlier today that was a really funny story.

00:14:56.000 We had people that we knocked on their doors.

00:14:59.000 They were the biggest Trump fans you've ever seen in your entire life.

00:15:02.000 In fact, there was one story that I tell all the time, a guy we knock on his door, he didn't vote in the last two elections, including 2020.

00:15:10.000 Knock on his door and start talking to him. 0.92

00:15:14.000 He's like, what do you do for work?

00:15:16.000 And our person said, Oh, I work for Turning Point.

00:15:18.000 They're like, wait a minute.

00:15:19.000 They close, slam the door, run around to their garage, open their garage, open their garage.

00:15:23.000 And it's like, oh, a shrine.

00:15:25.000 to Trump, every Trump flag that you can possibly have.

00:15:28.000 And on top of that turning point because in 2020, in 2022, the Republican Party ran out of yard signs for Trump.

00:15:36.000 So we started producing our own.

00:15:37.000 We produced tens of thousands of yard signs in key target states and gave them out.

00:15:41.000 This gentleman had every single turning point action yard sign for Trump, did not vote in that election.

00:15:48.000 Did not vote in that election.

00:15:49.000 The real thing, guys.

00:15:50.000 And Charlie, the number one thing that we asked people, we assume that when we talk to people, their number one reason for not voting was they just didn't care about voting.

00:15:58.000 Not true.

00:15:59.000 It's not true.

00:16:00.000 It's not right.

00:16:00.000 The number you don't rem know how.

00:16:03.000 They didn't know how or they thought they already knew.

00:16:05.000 Well, that's another thing, right?

00:16:06.000 They're like, I voted for Trump in the primary two years ago.

00:16:08.000 Doesn't that count?

00:16:09.000 Can't they just like grandfather it in?

00:16:12.000 This guy who didn't vote had voted sporadically in primaries.

00:16:16.000 He had voted sporadically in other midterm elections or not less important elections, like city council stuff that's off the grid and stuff like that.

00:16:25.000 So he was kind of in and out, but missed the presidential, the big one, because he thought he missed the Kerry Lake election.

00:16:32.000 And he swore up and down he had voted.

00:16:35.000 And so you have a system.

00:16:36.000 And we know because we have the voter file.

00:16:38.000 Yeah.

00:16:38.000 Right.

00:16:38.000 So all the data is there.

00:16:40.000 And it wasn't like, oh, well, his ballot got rejected and came back.

00:16:43.000 He didn't vote.

00:16:44.000 He didn't turn in his ballot.

00:16:45.000 And so, you know, you have these situations where you have people that are under the impression that they voted.

00:16:51.000 There's a subset of people who just wake up and it's the bad, it's the worst day of their month or year is on election day.

00:16:57.000 There's a percentage of America that that's that.

00:17:00.000 The second is that you have a you have a bunch of people who legitimately think that watching Fox News is voting.

00:17:05.000 Correct.

00:17:05.000 Or listening to the truth.

00:17:07.000 Even worse, giving money to Trump is voting.

00:17:09.000 Yeah.

00:17:09.000 Like they're like, oh, I give five bucks a month.

00:17:11.000 That's my vote.

00:17:12.000 Yeah.

00:17:12.000 My poor grandmother, my poor grandmother.

00:17:14.000 And this is why I actually believe this.

00:17:16.000 My grandmother just called me again.

00:17:17.000 My grandmother's in her mid.

00:17:18.000 mid eighty years, she's getting up there and she's kind of losing sight of things.

00:17:22.000 She just called me the other day and she said, I just got another message that I've been taken off the Republican Party roles.

00:17:29.000 What's going on?

00:17:30.000 No, it's these predatory emails that they've got to stop sending.

00:17:33.000 And it's the emails, but this is part of the problem that you bring up, Charlie, is when people donate then, they think that they've done something.

00:17:40.000 And it's actually replacing voting habits by sending these predatory emails.

00:17:44.000 I agree.

00:17:45.000 That's actually really, really bad.

00:17:47.000 And the RNC when it does it or whoever else that does it, there's no excuse for it.

00:17:50.000 You can't do it because anyone's sick of those email messages you guys get, right?

00:17:54.000 I feel like they've calmed down a little bit the last couple months., maybe, I don't know.

00:17:57.000 No, they haven't.

00:17:59.000 My grandma just called me.

00:18:00.000 Are you guys still, are they still doing it in the summer of 2025?

00:18:04.000 And my grandma will listen to this because she's a she's a Charlie Kirk super fan.

00:18:09.000 I love it.

00:18:09.000 And she's on, she's on rap every single day.

00:18:12.000 Like, it's like her entire, it's she, she watches and listens to you more than she listens to my mom who's supposed to be taking care of her right now.

00:18:20.000 So, uh, so anything you say, she's going to do.

00:18:23.000 But this is, but this is part of it, so she's going to hear this.

00:18:26.000 But this is part of it is that it's really critical for us to focus, first and foremost, this is why at Turning Point and Turning Point Action, when we send out emails, we are talking about the things that we're doing.

00:18:35.000 Yes.

00:18:36.000 The work that we're doing.

00:18:37.000 Real work.

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00:19:41.000 But Tyler, let me ask you a provocative one.

00:19:43.000 How not the Republican Party institutionally is out of alignment with its voters.

00:19:47.000 Yes.

00:19:48.000 What is the plan?

00:19:49.000 How do we get the Lindsey Grahams, the Chuck Grassley's great on almost everything, but he's.

00:19:54.000 terrible on almost everything, but he's terrible on this blue sip thing.

00:19:56.000 This is where the grassroots are most frustrated.

00:19:59.000 They're like, okay, we voted for Trump, we donate, we knock on doors.

00:20:02.000 Why are our Republicans so terrible?

00:20:05.000 How do we fix that?

00:20:06.000 Well, I'm going to tell you something that you're not going to like.

00:20:10.000 Okay.

00:20:10.000 First, the first thing is that, like, some of this has just got to time itself out, which is like they have to decide to resign and go back.

00:20:19.000 And, you know, I think America was intended to be what George Washington and Thomas Jefferson intended to be, which was go in, do your job and get the heck out, right? 0.86

00:20:30.000 Go in, be there for a shorort amount of time and then go enjoy your grandkids and go enjoy your family and your business that you built your entire life.

00:20:40.000 I can fully agree.

00:20:43.000 And this is the biggest problem.

00:20:44.000 Like, and I'll use Arizona as an example.

00:20:46.000 John McCain was not in good health when he decided to run his last time.

00:20:51.000 He died in the middle of his term.

00:20:53.000 People lost their minds when everyone said, are you sure you're in when a couple of people asked the question, are you sure you're in good enough health to run again?

00:21:00.000 He could have easily stepped down.

00:21:02.000 And you know what that would have meant for Arizona?

00:21:04.000 That a consolidation would have happened.

00:21:06.000 We would probably still have another Republican senator, at least one.

00:21:09.000 That's so true.

00:21:10.000 Because in 2016 we would have had the ability to get somebody in there and then the Democrats didn't spend $100 million each cycle.

00:21:18.000 Yep.

00:21:19.000 And so it's a selfless thing to get in, I think, into public office and then make the self-determination that I'm not going to be there forever.

00:21:29.000 And I think that that's an education thing that's really important that Turning Point is doing and Turning Point Action is doing.

00:21:34.000 We have the Mount Vernon project.

00:21:36.000 Educate, go really quick.

00:21:37.000 Scorecard, Mount Vernon project, all this stuff.

00:21:39.000 So we have one of the most inclusive scorecards that's in the conservative movement.

00:21:41.000 It's called tpaction dot com slash scorecard.

00:21:44.000 And we rate all members of the House and the Senate, right?

00:21:47.000 All of the federal members.

00:21:48.000 And then we actually have started in on the states.

00:21:51.000 So you can go in at the state legislative level now and actually look how your people are doing.

00:21:56.000 And we put it all right there, all in real time.

00:21:58.000 Most scorecards don't do things in real time.

00:22:01.000 They go back years.

00:22:03.000 Ours is in real time.

00:22:04.000 So you know how they're doing in real time.

00:22:06.000 Then the second thing we have is the Mount Vernon project, which is we focus mainly on the Republican National Committee because the Republican Party, if it gets fixed, a lot of the country gets fixed.

00:22:15.000 Part of the reason why just follow up your question is like, what do we do about some of these people?

00:22:19.000 Well, you know, it would be nice if the Republican Party had cojoness every now and then and would step up and say, hey, you know, Lindindsay, your time's up, dude. 0.85

00:22:27.000 Like, it's done.

00:22:28.000 Like, we're off for this.

00:22:30.000 Your state doesn't have term limits, but guess what we have here at the Republican Party?

00:22:33.000 It's term limits.

00:22:34.000 So you're done or whatever, right?

00:22:36.000 Like, that you don't need laws on term limits if your party's actually enforcing term limits.

00:22:42.000 Yeah.

00:22:43.000 And so a lot of people, it drives me crazy when people are like, Oh, well, I guess we don't have term limits and sometimes we get a good person in and we want them in for forty years.

00:22:51.000 And it's like, Yeah, but that's like one out of a million, right?

00:22:54.000 Like you don't have only so many of those.

00:22:57.000 Most are horrible at the end, in part of their career and we have to get them out.

00:23:01.000 And they're totally disconnected by the end of their terms, by the way, with the general public.

00:23:05.000 Let's do ten minutes of questions and we have Dr. Or in ten minutes. 0.94

00:23:08.000 We're just going to keep flowing everybody.

00:23:10.000 So let's do some questions because this Tyler in particular I know elicits a lot.

00:23:14.000 So let's and I'll say I'll say this real quick while Brian will you raise your hands here?

00:23:18.000 Raise your hands guys.

00:23:19.000 We're working our butts off.

00:23:20.000 Our team right now is working their tails off on Arizona, New Hampshire, Nevada.

00:23:26.000 We've laid the groundwork in Iowa for all 99 counties for heading into 2028.

00:23:30.000 We have a great amount of work that's going on too.

00:23:33.000 So happy to answer questions.

00:23:34.000 We have about 10 minutes.

00:23:35.000 Yes, ma'am.

00:23:36.000 Are you guys seeing a movement of money from the RNC, from the Republican Party and individual donors over to Turning Point and other groups that are spending time on the Yeah, let me let me start there.

00:23:50.000 Yes, but we're not trying to take donors away from the RNC.

00:23:53.000 If donors want to stop giving the RNC, that's all of your own agency and ability.

00:23:57.000 But yes, let me talk more about the NRSC than the RNC because we want to have a good working relationship with the RNC.

00:24:04.000 It is of to no one's benefit, not to the country, the RNC or Trump's best interest for us to be at war with the RNC.

00:24:11.000 We were at one point and that was a necessary fight that we forced, right, Tyler?

00:24:17.000 But it was a headache, honestly, right?

00:24:18.000 But we won that fight.

00:24:19.000 We finish fights and we win them.

00:24:21.000 However, the NRSC, a lot of donors are coming to us.

00:24:25.000 They're like, Charlie, instead of giving $500,000 to some PAC, I would rather give $500,000 to take a state over for the next twenty years.

00:24:34.000 So we're seeing a lot of donors come to us that believe that don't get the same sort of presentation that we had this morning.

00:24:42.000 That's in depth, detail, and metric driven.

00:24:46.000 Tyler.

00:24:46.000 Yeah, I think the craziest thing about the RNC, and this still is, is takes, you know, you have to understand the construct of the Republican National Committee.

00:24:54.000 It's 168 members, and most come from states that are deep red or deep blue, right?

00:24:59.000 So the people who need the most assets or resources are actually the minority voices there.

00:25:06.000 And don't forget, and again, no shade on our folks in Guam and the Northern Mariana Islands and Puerto Rico, but they have a vote, they have a vote, equal vote.

00:25:15.000 So my vote, whenever I was speaking, speaking up, forget about, you know, freedom of speech on the RNC, but when I was voting on things, my vote was being canceled out by the vote in the Northern Mariana Islands.

00:25:27.000 And we needed the most assets.

00:25:29.000 And so that's extraordinarily frustrating.

00:25:31.000 I think there's a huge construction error that's at the RNC just with how it operates, which makes it really difficult to focus on the key target states that they need to focus on.

00:25:41.000 I think the immediate thing that the Republican National Committee could do that would lend a lot of help to the NRSC and the NRCC is by sitting down the day after the election's over in November and saying, we're going to decide right now what our key targets are for and we're going to go through and then everyone is going to get on board for this and we're going to get everyone to vocalize with a raised hand that they're on board for this so that we don't have knifeing each other all the time the two years heading into the next election cycle.

00:26:12.000 And I really feel bad.

00:26:14.000 I felt bad at times for Ron.

00:26:16.000 I feel bad for the chair that's in that position.

00:26:20.000 because they sometimes just look like they don't know what to do or they have one moment where they can make a big difference and reset, restack the deck in a way that will help the Republican Party and the Conservative movement and they're too scared to do it.

00:26:33.000 And so you have to have a leader that gets in there and for the future, just so everyone knows, we can talk about this at length, but the Republican National Committee getting kind of structurally in a better place is probably going to be good because the Democratic Party has figured out, Charlie, that they don't really need the DNC to do too much.

00:26:51.000 They just need to do functory things.

00:26:53.000 And that's what we should be doing.

00:26:54.000 Yeah.

00:26:54.000 And one final thing, where we've seen the most most donor movement though is the small dollar donors.

00:26:59.000 So we have tens of thousands of people that are monthly recurring donors.

00:27:03.000 And as I mentioned, we have half a million small dollar donors across the country, which are, if we get to a million, that will be more active donors than the RNC.

00:27:13.000 We think.

00:27:14.000 We actually don't know how many active donors the RNC has.

00:27:17.000 But the Trump campaign at its top had about 2.8 million active donors, and that's the most probably ever in Republican politics.

00:27:25.000 That's right.

00:27:26.000 That's right.

00:27:26.000 Obama, I think, had the most ever at like 3.1, 3.2.

00:27:30.000 Bernie Sanders also had a massive.

00:27:31.000 Bernie Sanders got to like 1.7 small dollar donors.

00:27:35.000 So if Turning Point, a non-campaign could get to a million, we would probably be the largest nonprofit of small dollar donors.

00:27:43.000 And all of you guys as investors should be cheering us on to get to that million figure, because that's where all of a sudden we become very uncancelable and you kind of have a recurring base.

00:27:53.000 And by the way, if someone's given ten bucks a month, they're more likely to show up at our events, get their kids involved, start a Club America chapter.

00:28:00.000 It is a signal for involvement.

00:28:02.000 Okay.

00:28:02.000 Next question.

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00:29:24.000 Do we have any more questions?

00:29:25.000 Yes, ma'am.

00:29:28.000 Can you talk about election integrity and how to clean up voter rolls?

00:29:32.000 What are you doing?

00:29:33.000 and what can we do?

00:29:34.000 Yeah, so I say this almost great question.

00:29:37.000 Incessantly.

00:29:38.000 We talk about this all the time.

00:29:39.000 We're big fans of how elections used to run, which were election day was holy.

00:29:48.000 People showed up.

00:29:50.000 We don't believe in no excuse male and ballot.

00:29:53.000 So you have excuse and no excuse.

00:29:55.000 So you have states that like Florida, you have to give a little bit more excuse and states like Arizona where they're like literally you can show up and order a ballot for anyone and they want to do it.

00:30:05.000 This is part of the reason why the left pushes no excuse male and ballot or motor voter laws all the time. 0.53

00:30:11.000 They want to automatically register everyone to have ballots floating around everywhere because they know they can out.

00:30:16.000 They historically have been able to outperform us on voting collection.

00:30:21.000 And this is what's hugely problematic.

00:30:24.000 One of the things in Arizona I was just talking with Charlie about this is the Yokava voters, the uniformed officer overseas votes.

00:30:32.000 The left is constantly equipping nonprofits to change the rules and then re-register people from one state to another.

00:30:42.000 So we know that the margins are thin.

00:30:44.000 We went over today, 17,000 votes for governor in Arizona, 280 votes for Attorney General in Arizona.

00:30:50.000 Unbelievable.

00:30:52.000 In 2016 in New Hampshire, 2500 votes the president lost to Hillary Clinton by 2500. 0.93

00:31:00.000 That's like nothing, right?

00:31:01.000 It's a drop in the bucket.

00:31:02.000 In Nevada, we saw this just recently.

00:31:04.000 Adam Laxall, Laxall, should be a US senator, should be.

00:31:07.000 We would have 54 Senate seats right now if it wasn't for 2600, 2300 votes.

00:31:10.000 Yeah, and 15,000 was the Lombardo won by.

00:31:14.000 So it's like basically nothing.

00:31:16.000 All they're doing is that, Charlie, they're going to foreign countries and they're taking people who haven't lived in America. 0.72

00:31:21.000 There's millions of overseas voters.

00:31:22.000 Expatriates, yeah.

00:31:23.000 And they're expatriates and they're re-registering them to states that matter if they're a Democrat.

00:31:28.000 And this is horrifying stuff.

00:31:31.000 And there are laws, there are federal laws that should be in place on this.

00:31:34.000 They're not.

00:31:35.000 The second thing I was just telling Charlie about these votes, they can you can basically fax in a vote.

00:31:41.000 They want to make it so you can vote by mobile phone with overseas voters.

00:31:47.000 You understand how terrifying this is.

00:31:49.000 All they'll have to do is re register five or ten thousand more voters to each of these states that come close.

00:31:55.000 And they can they have basically the cheat code for the rest of eternity in these states.

00:32:01.000 There's nothing more important and nothing that we should be taking.

00:32:04.000 I was so happy to hear the president talking about this.

00:32:06.000 this, yes, after Putin had said, hey, you know, by the way, your elections are still kind of flawed.

00:32:12.000 And so the president was on it.

00:32:14.000 The president of Russia is telling us that our elections are flawed.

00:32:17.000 And people are like, nothing to see here, don't worry about it.

00:32:20.000 Right?

00:32:20.000 And the KGB is like, yeah, it's completely flawed.

00:32:23.000 The Fezba's done. 1.00

00:32:24.000 But you have an opportunity right now with the president and a Republican held Congress to actually fix a lot of these things.

00:32:32.000 And they can't even get confirmations done.

00:32:34.000 We have to get this done.

00:32:35.000 There's no question they have to get this done before the midterms.

00:32:38.000 But if, you know, I'm hoping for that that we can contribute to the midterms so we can complete this.

00:32:42.000 This is one of the reasons why Trump's got to get his people.

00:32:44.000 We need to do a lot of civil lawsuits to clean up the DOJ needs to go in and Harmiet Dylan is doing this to her great credit and she's a she's a 10 she's doing an incredible job.

00:32:52.000 Yeah and she needs more help. 0.93

00:32:53.000 She needs to expand her office. 1.00

00:32:54.000 The Civil Rights Office of the Department of Justice needs to sue LA County, Maricopa County for voter roll violations because they're violations of the Civil Rights Act to get the dead voters off the voter rolls.

00:33:04.000 Okay, last question.

00:33:05.000 Yes, sir.

00:33:06.000 Make it quick and then we got to get to Dr. Orr.

00:33:08.000 Yeah.

00:33:08.000 What are you guys doing to manage and understand the biases that are being trained into AI?

00:33:14.000 Yeah.

00:33:15.000 Because it doesn't really kind of mostly go our way on that.

00:33:20.000 Yeah, super concerning.

00:33:21.000 I think I mean, I'll let Charlie speak to this because he probably has more insight, but I was most excited about Elon coming to our side because probably like Elon helped fix the social media war on Republicans, he's probably going to be our biggest ally over the course of the next thirty years.

00:33:40.000 We should keep him on our side to solve this problem because that's the.

00:33:44.000 He's excentric.

00:33:45.000 We want him on our team, not their team, period.

00:33:47.000 Well, we talked about this in our chat, Charlie.

00:33:49.000 There are what Meta and other groups are funding to hundreds of millions to billions of dollars., individuals, I mean, there are individuals that are working on AI that are getting paid one hundred, two hundred million dollars individually.

00:34:03.000 Like some of the, I mean, I would assume these are some of the sharpest minds that we have.

00:34:08.000 The AI race is insane right now.

00:34:10.000 And they're spending a ton of money and we don't know who these people are.

00:34:13.000 Like, you know, we, someone brought up a good point.

00:34:15.000 I think, I think Blake brought up this good point.

00:34:17.000 It's like, we know who pro football players are who are making one hundred million dollars.

00:34:21.000 You know, we know LeBron James, right?

00:34:24.000 You know these guys.

00:34:25.000 We probably should know the names of the people who are probably going to be impacting us individually.

00:34:30.000 Yeah.

00:34:30.000 In such a big way.

00:34:32.000 So I will say I'm glad Elon is still signaling that he's not a man of the left.

00:34:37.000 He still believes in what he said previously.

00:34:39.000 He's just, I think, had a personal fallout, which I hope can be remedied.

00:34:42.000 Yeah.

00:34:43.000 Because Grock is okay, but it's not as good as ChatGPT.

00:34:46.000 It's just not.

00:34:47.000 I don't know if anyone cares about this.

00:34:48.000 I could talk about AI all day long, but Grock needs to grow because we need a non-woke AI.

00:34:55.000 Period.

00:34:56.000 You need a non-woke AI.

00:34:57.000 And Grock even has some problems.

00:34:59.000 Yeah.

00:35:00.000 Well, I was just going to say to you, Charlie, this can come in super useful for us and how we contact voters.

00:35:04.000 Yeah.

00:35:05.000 Yeah.

00:35:05.000 And I'm not talking about Elon robots talking to voters, like we don't need that, but we need human to human interaction.

00:35:11.000 But the, the, the hardest thing with our voter interaction and as we've developed technology is to team up the conversation.

00:35:18.000 So your conversation is going to look a lot different than my conversation would be with a voter.

00:35:23.000 So AI can be actually very useful and helpful to be able to read data, manipulate it quickly, bring it, spit it back.

00:35:30.000 And find trends.

00:35:31.000 And so how Charlie might talk to the voter and how I might talk to the voter might be very different and find different trends that we align with.

00:35:38.000 Yeah, AI could say, okay, here's fifty things we know about Joe Smith Plumber., Cardinals fan, but write a script that has a 90% likelihood of working.

00:35:48.000 And also take into consideration you and your stuff so your conversation becomes much more organic and you're a real shock to him for the first time.

00:35:55.000 Tyler, you're doing an awesome job.

00:35:56.000 He's going to be around late, everybody, for more questions.

00:35:58.000 I'm here.

00:35:58.000 Thanks, Charlie.

00:35:59.000 Good job, man.

00:35:59.000 Thanks for all the hard work.

00:36:01.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:36:02.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:36:04.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - September 01, 2025

Where the Grassroots Goes Next

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