The Charlie Kirk Show - Who Defines Right and Wrong? LIVE from University Texas Austin

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00:00:42.000 Here we go.

00:00:44.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

00:00:45.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

00:00:47.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

00:00:51.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.

00:00:54.000 I want to thank Charlie.

00:00:55.000 He's an incredible guy.

00:00:56.000 His spirit, his love of this country.

00:00:58.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.

00:01:03.000 Turning point USA. 0.65

00:01:04.000 We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.

00:01:13.000 That's why we are here.

00:01:16.000 Thank you.

00:01:17.000 It's great to be here.

00:01:18.000 I have to apologize in advance.

00:01:20.000 It's been a long day.

00:01:22.000 We sat at a table there.

00:01:23.000 Was anyone there today?

00:01:25.000 We had a good time, I have to say, outside of a couple people.

00:01:28.000 But no, generally, I learned a lot.

00:01:32.000 One of the individuals there, she asked, she said, you actually go here to learn.

00:01:35.000 And not that I've heard anything that was totally new and profound, but I learned a lot at kind of where this generation is politically and philosophically.

00:01:45.000 And yeah, I learned a lot kind of about some of the major sticking points there.

00:01:49.000 And I do want to thank a couple people.

00:01:51.000 I want to thank the students there that were there for all two hours and were respectful.

00:01:55.000 That says a lot.

00:01:56.000 Speech is important.

00:01:57.000 In fact, without speech, all you have is power and brute force.

00:02:00.000 And so that says a lot about you.

00:02:01.000 So if you're out there and you hear that, good for you.

00:02:03.000 And then I also, I can't believe I'm doing this, but I want to thank the UT administration that kind of came.

00:02:09.000 It's amazing.

00:02:10.000 No, you have to be honest in life, though, right?

00:02:12.000 I'm not exactly a fan of college.

00:02:15.000 But they came in and they smart enough to make you attend.

00:02:20.000 Okay.

00:02:21.000 So, yeah, thank you.

00:02:26.000 That right there is what someone who's about to lose very big X like.

00:02:29.000 Let me tell you, that's that was one minute and eight seconds.

00:02:35.000 That's a new record.

00:02:41.000 Here I am complimenting that everyone had a great time and trying to be magnanimous, even though people said very bad things, but whatever.

00:02:49.000 And that happens.

00:02:51.000 It's great.

00:02:51.000 You got to love it.

00:02:53.000 Okay, where was I?

00:02:54.000 It's like speaking of how wonderful of a university this is.

00:02:58.000 Let me continue with my compliments.

00:03:00.000 No, I mean it.

00:03:01.000 It's that the Uti administration came in to a couple people that were trying to interrupt and play music or whatever.

00:03:07.000 And they said you have to do that elsewhere.

00:03:08.000 So that allowed our discussion and our conversation to continue.

00:03:11.000 And so that was very nice.

00:03:12.000 And we appreciate that.

00:03:13.000 And so there was, yeah, you could give it up for the UT administration.

00:03:16.000 They deserve credit for that.

00:03:18.000 They do.

00:03:19.000 And they had a commitment to free speech, which is very, very important.

00:03:25.000 So something that kept on coming up in our discussions today, which I found to be fascinating, not surprising, but it was fascinating to keep on hearing, which is, who are you to say what is right and wrong?

00:03:37.000 And that's not a new question.

00:03:39.000 I thought that that would be probably well understood by the time you get to college, but it shouldn't be a huge shock for those of you that are kind of consuming postmodern deconstructionist philosophy on an almost daily basis, which is who are you to say?

00:03:53.000 Why is your right the right?

00:03:55.000 And that really does ask the question of what is the purpose of college, right?

00:03:58.000 where I think college should be, kind of what Hillsdale College has become, which is an exploration of the good, the true, and the beautiful, and what is right, what is good, what is, how should you as a human being properly develop.

00:04:11.000 And, you know, it was a really interesting question where they said, you know, your beliefs should not be able to be imposed on somebody else.

00:04:18.000 And that sounds really good, right?

00:04:20.000 Like, okay, yeah, your beliefs, but it's not true.

00:04:22.000 At some point, somebody's belief is going to be imposed on you.

00:04:24.000 Even the absence of a belief is somebody's belief.

00:04:27.000 So at some point, you have to come to some sort of consensus of what is good.

00:04:30.000 And they say, well, I don't think the government should be involved in any decisions.

00:04:33.000 That's a decision in and of itself.

00:04:35.000 Not to be involved is a decision.

00:04:37.000 Not to do something is actually a decision to do something.

00:04:40.000 And you have to have a moral basis for that.

00:04:41.000 And so we had a very long conversation about that.

00:04:44.000 And I hope that can continue in the question and answer line of which disagreement will be invited.

00:04:49.000 And you guys can have the microphone.

00:04:50.000 We'll have a back and forth.

00:04:52.000 But it kind of goes back to that question of who are you to say?

00:04:55.000 And boy, the founding fathers really thought deeply about that.

00:04:59.000 And we are the beneficiaries of framers that gave us the greatest nation ever to exist in the history of the world.

00:05:05.000 And I have to say, when I said that today, there were a lot of people gasping and booing, which is just such a shocking thing because that is as close to an objective fact of anything I could say here tonight, that you are the beneficiaries to live in the greatest nation ever to exist in the history of the world.

00:05:19.000 That's a big deal.

00:05:20.000 And somebody asked and they said, well, why?

00:05:26.000 And I said, look, I mean, first of all, greatest is obviously relative.

00:05:29.000 You're judging yourself against other countries.

00:05:31.000 Are we perfect?

00:05:32.000 We're human beings.

00:05:32.000 Of course not.

00:05:33.000 We're far from perfect.

00:05:34.000 But we're the most generous country.

00:05:36.000 We're the most productive country.

00:05:37.000 We have the longest waiting list of people that want to come into our country.

00:05:40.000 Our ideals have been successfully replicated all across the planet.

00:05:44.000 We're the nation that goes and fights wars for the freedom of other people, not perfectly all the time, obviously, but has an ethic within our history and within our background, something that is not an empire to try to gain lands, but in some ways, something greater than yourself.

00:06:00.000 And I could go on from medical advancements to cultural impact.

00:06:03.000 There's something very special about America.

00:06:05.000 And I'm desperately afraid that we're losing it.

00:06:08.000 And not only are we afraid of losing it, I'm afraid that people want it to be lost.

00:06:13.000 And that's even more troubling to me.

00:06:15.000 And it wasn't said today, but I've heard it before when I was at Berkeley, which don't laugh too much.

00:06:22.000 You guys are right up there with Berkeley.

00:06:24.000 So right up there.

00:06:26.000 I have to say that I heard some wacky stuff today, but Berkeley had some other wacky.

00:06:31.000 He was right up there. 0.96

00:06:32.000 But I heard something else, which is, you know, America is the great Satan. 0.99

00:06:35.000 We want it eliminated. 0.99

00:06:36.000 It's a force of evil in the world.

00:06:38.000 And only spending an exhaustive amount of time in a lecture hall listening to someone who hates about America could you come to such a ridiculous conclusion as that, which, I mean, just the evidence in front of it is you look at America's greatness, which, again, I think we're losing through self-inflicted decisions, and you look through our history and you look at what we've been able to accomplish.

00:07:00.000 There's just one fact that will tell you everything you need to know.

00:07:04.000 America's the only nation on the planet where even those who hate it and they say they hate it, they refuse to leave.

00:07:10.000 And so, and people, and they say, well, you know, where am I supposed to go?

00:07:19.000 I said, I don't know you guys talk about Denmark all the time.

00:07:21.000 Like Paris?

00:07:22.000 I'm not saying leave.

00:07:23.000 I'm saying, why don't you?

00:07:25.000 And because I have to hear about how awful this place is, but your actions speak a lot louder than your lectures in that regard.

00:07:32.000 And that does kind of tell you something.

00:07:34.000 It kind of reminds me of all the celebrities that said they were going to leave the country after Donald Trump won.

00:07:38.000 It's actually like, yeah, okay, you might have a problem with that.

00:07:40.000 But it turns out that this place still is the best hope.

00:07:43.000 It still is the greatest nation.

00:07:44.000 And so why?

00:07:45.000 Why is this country great?

00:07:46.000 Why have we achieved anything of value?

00:07:48.000 Well, you can ask yourself the question, what is the longest lasting Constitution in world history?

00:07:53.000 And you're living under it.

00:07:54.000 It's the United States Constitution.

00:07:57.000 Magna Carta is not a constitution.

00:07:58.000 The Ten Commandments is not a constitution.

00:08:01.000 Constitution is an agreement.

00:08:02.000 It's a compact.

00:08:03.000 It's a contract.

00:08:04.000 And they wrestled with these ideas, the framers, and boy, did they get it right.

00:08:08.000 They got some things wrong, and they can prove it along the way.

00:08:10.000 But what they got right more than anything else is the question that we spent about two hours trying to go back and forth with today.

00:08:17.000 I don't know if we ever found consensus, but it's a very simple question, which is what is a human being?

00:08:21.000 Is a human being a collection of cells?

00:08:24.000 Is it just kind of an accident of hundreds of millions of years of evolution?

00:08:27.000 Or is a human being more than that?

00:08:30.000 Is a human being an image-bearer, has a soul, has something that is worthy of protection?

00:08:35.000 And the answer to that question can tell you directly the type of government that you think should exist.

00:08:40.000 And it said so clearly because the Declaration of Independence starts completely and totally universally.

00:08:44.000 It doesn't start specific.

00:08:45.000 It gets specific.

00:08:46.000 But Thomas Jefferson writes, when in the course of human events, he's talking about all time, all human beings, all people, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands that have tied them to another, deriving the separate but equal power that goes on to equal station and goes on to say laws of nature and nature is God.

00:09:00.000 What he's making is a moral argument that the people of this nation have something that is just that is even greater than reason and is even greater than touch and feel in the senses.

00:09:10.000 And again, you could have your own religious views, but it's an arguable to say that the founders of the greatest nation ever to exist in the history of the world, they believed you had a soul, and that's a very big deal.

00:09:19.000 And if you believe you have a soul, then you must have a government that respects all human dignity, regardless of size, level of development, environment, or degree of dependency, including those in the womb or outside of the womb.

00:09:29.000 That those beings are worthy of protection.

00:09:32.000 And when you start to talk in that way, all of a sudden, natural rights start to come into the picture.

00:09:36.000 You say, wow.

00:09:37.000 And obviously they talked life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

00:09:39.000 Previously, it was life, liberty, and property from John Locke and Thomas Jefferson.

00:09:43.000 I had added the pursuit of happiness, which is you have a right to be able to live.

00:09:46.000 That's a very big deal.

00:09:47.000 Government does not give you those rights.

00:09:47.000 And guess what?

00:09:49.000 And that was the huge change, right?

00:09:51.000 Is that the government protects those rights, first and foremost, from government abusing those rights?

00:09:56.000 And not only were they able to tell you what a human being is, they told you how human beings acted.

00:10:00.000 And if there was kind of the big, one of the big lies, if you will, of American progressivism is that somehow human beings change just because technology changes with it.

00:10:08.000 And that is not true.

00:10:10.000 Just because times change, human beings do not change.

00:10:13.000 We're exactly the same.

00:10:14.000 In fact, technology only makes it easier for us to do the bad stuff that would have been harder for us to do a couple hundred years ago.

00:10:19.000 Said differently, the Constitution was not written for the times.

00:10:22.000 It was written to stand the test of time.

00:10:24.000 That it was an analysis of human behavior of every civilization that ever acted before, and they had some truths in it that all of us are able to enjoy today.

00:10:32.000 The first and most obvious one is consent to the governed.

00:10:34.000 You are the sovereign of the U.S. Constitution.

00:10:37.000 And that is so easy to take for granted.

00:10:39.000 And it only existed in a short little spurt in maybe Athenian democracy before that.

00:10:43.000 And it's a big deal they put that into place.

00:10:45.000 But it's important that it's not a democracy, though.

00:10:47.000 People say we're democracy.

00:10:49.000 We are not a democracy.

00:10:50.000 We're a constitutional republic.

00:10:51.000 What's the difference?

00:10:53.000 In a democracy, the majority rules no matter what all the time.

00:10:56.000 And I say, well, that's the way I want it.

00:10:58.000 Well, if the majority wants something that is evil and wrong, shouldn't there be a check and balance against the majority?

00:11:02.000 Shouldn't there be a process to slow it down?

00:11:05.000 You see, a constitutional republic says there are things that are true that will always be true.

00:11:09.000 Do you notice that the preamble to the U.S. Constitution has never had to be changed?

00:11:13.000 It's because it's always been true that we do ordain these truths.

00:11:17.000 We do ordain this Constitution said differently.

00:11:20.000 And so when we kind of look at all these different things that are kind of factoring in, I think it's important to note that the posture that I encourage you to have, and we can have obvious disagreements here, we're going to get to questions early tonight because boy, some of you guys wore me out today.

00:11:34.000 I got to be on.

00:11:35.000 I had three hours of radio and we were talking forever.

00:11:38.000 And is a posture of gratitude.

00:11:41.000 One of my great complaints, I really couldn't care less about your political affiliation.

00:11:44.000 We could talk about that.

00:11:45.000 That's not why I'm here tonight.

00:11:46.000 If you want to ask me political questions, I don't care.

00:11:48.000 That's fine.

00:11:48.000 Obviously, I have strong opinions that way.

00:11:50.000 But it drives me nuts when there is a lecture of ingratitude towards America.

00:11:56.000 People that are thankful are happier.

00:11:59.000 And you have a lot to be thankful for.

00:12:02.000 And you might not be happy.

00:12:03.000 You might say, oh, look at all these injustices.

00:12:05.000 I would venture a guess there's probably half truths baked in that.

00:12:08.000 And it's not as much of the injustice as you think, but whatever.

00:12:09.000 I'm sure I could agree with part of it.

00:12:11.000 But when you think about it, when you're ungrateful, you're much more likely to be a revolutionary.

00:12:16.000 When you're grateful, maybe you want to conserve that thing.

00:12:18.000 That's why I'm a conservative.

00:12:19.000 That's why a lot of you are conservatives.

00:12:20.000 You say, this is something that I actually want to protect to make sure future generations are able to live through.

00:12:25.000 Just becoming a father, I could tell you, I'm like, I want my daughter to be able to live in this nation.

00:12:29.000 I want future generations to be able to enjoy this incredible system.

00:12:32.000 And you always got to ask the question, which is, replace it with what?

00:12:36.000 Replace it with what kind of experiment?

00:12:39.000 What kind of a country?

00:12:40.000 What is the solution?

00:12:41.000 What is the form of the structure of government?

00:12:44.000 And there's a reason why that constitution has stood the test of time and the stress test at every single corner, despite opposition, foreign and domestic.

00:12:51.000 It locates the sovereignty within you.

00:12:54.000 And at the same time, the people are actually not running the administration of the government.

00:12:59.000 It excludes the sovereign from the ordinary business of the government or the ordinary operations of the government, which in some ways is a check and balance on the people, which again shows that absolute power can corrupt absolutely.

00:13:11.000 And it comes down to this fundamental question and this fundamental thing where it goes down to at some point, you have to agree upon what C.S. Lewis said, which is you have to come to some consensus of the Tao or the way.

00:13:22.000 And this is what really troubles me about some of the things I heard today more than anything else when they say there's unlimited amount of truths.

00:13:30.000 And I want you to understand the ramifications of what that looks like in society.

00:13:35.000 And, you know, somebody said, you know, different cultures have different truths.

00:13:39.000 Think about that.

00:13:40.000 Different cultures can have different diets and customs and attitudes.

00:13:44.000 But is it really the case that if you believe that child sacrifice to Molech is okay, that's somehow something we should act as if that's not eternally wrong, regardless of where it happens?

00:13:55.000 No, there's eternal principles that apply to all people, regardless of where they are on the planet.

00:14:00.000 Now, are there different customs?

00:14:01.000 Of course, be respectful of them and all things.

00:14:03.000 But you look at that question.

00:14:05.000 There's an unlimited amount of truths.

00:14:06.000 Now, there could be lots of different shared experiences.

00:14:09.000 But for example, if you have a car crash and there's five witnesses, everyone says, well, this happened and this happened.

00:14:13.000 Eventually, you want to get to the truth of what ended up happening.

00:14:17.000 You want to be able to get to the consensus of the matter.

00:14:18.000 And when you design a government or you have a society and you raise a generation that says, you know what, anyone can believe whatever they want to believe about anything at any time.

00:14:27.000 How on earth are you going to have a stable and civil society from that point?

00:14:31.000 If everybody had a definition of what North is, good luck trying to orient everybody.

00:14:36.000 So no, there's not an unlimited amount of truths.

00:14:38.000 I believe there's one truth, but I think that truth that we could agree tonight is rather broad.

00:14:42.000 I think that it's a road that is not too narrow and not too wide, as C.S. Lewis would say in the abolition of man.

00:14:49.000 It's the Tao.

00:14:50.000 It's something that says, okay, within the maxims of liberty, we can agree that separation of powers, consent of the governed, independent judiciary, private property rights, these things are important to protect.

00:15:00.000 And whenever there is a threat against those things, we're not going to put up with that.

00:15:04.000 Like we're not going to say, you know what?

00:15:06.000 Yeah, maybe you could believe that you're a platypus or that you could believe that you're actually six foot eight when in reality you're not.

00:15:13.000 That your feeling is not as important as to what actual reality is happening in that exact moment.

00:15:20.000 And the consequence of this, I could tell you, will end up being two things.

00:15:23.000 First, you get chaos, and that's bad.

00:15:25.000 And that's kind of the talking point.

00:15:27.000 If you don't have all these things, you have societal chaos.

00:15:29.000 But we never talk about what happens after that, which is then you get totalitarianism.

00:15:34.000 You see, as soon as you confuse everybody, there is no truth, you have your own truth, and you have all these different kind of bickering tribes, eventually people are going to want order.

00:15:43.000 And that's when you get someone like Joseph Stalin that comes along, and all they care about is power, and they're good at it. 0.87

00:15:48.000 And then all of a sudden, you could throw out all the stuff I've talked about, consent to the govern, separation of powers.

00:15:52.000 Chaos is a strategy towards totalitarianism.

00:15:57.000 And not everyone who's participating in it even recognizes or realizing it.

00:15:59.000 They say, oh, we're liberating groups to be able to have whatever truth they want to have under any circumstance.

00:16:04.000 And you have their own opinions.

00:16:05.000 But you notice how quickly it goes from this is my truth to all of a sudden, if you don't accept your truth, you're going to be penalized.

00:16:12.000 Happens very quickly.

00:16:13.000 So it's not just your truth.

00:16:14.000 It's that I must now adopt that.

00:16:16.000 And whatever that kind of fiction or whatever that might be.

00:16:20.000 And so I'm very, very worried about the direction of the country currently and for a variety of reasons.

00:16:25.000 And I think that the restoration has to start, has to kind of rest on all of you.

00:16:29.000 Something I wish we could have talked about more in this, kind of in our time together on the quad, wherever we were, is kind of what's going on generationally.

00:16:39.000 I guess you're all Gen Zers, is that right? 0.77

00:16:40.000 If you're in college, I'm a millennial, so I have to thank you, by the way.

00:16:44.000 I have finally found a generation boomers hate more than millennials, Generation Z. 1.00

00:16:48.000 So thank you very much.

00:16:48.000 It's great.

00:16:50.000 I get to now hate on the younger generation.

00:16:52.000 It's terrific.

00:16:52.000 It's great.

00:16:53.000 For years, although stupid millennials are the worst. 1.00

00:16:55.000 It's awful. 1.00

00:16:56.000 Now I get to do that.

00:16:57.000 It's actually quite delightful.

00:16:59.000 So, but let's talk seriously here.

00:17:02.000 There's two ways we could take this.

00:17:04.000 And I think both have something that we can glean from it.

00:17:08.000 The first is the reality of the topic is that this is the most depressed, suicidal, alcohol-addicted, and drug-addicted, psychiatric, drug-addicted generation in history.

00:17:17.000 Most likely to kill themselves, least likely to get married, least likely to have kids, most likely to believe that there is no God, no eternity, no reason or harmony for life.

00:17:26.000 That's a very scary thing.

00:17:27.000 And for those of us that are not in Generation Z, we should pause and take time out and say, what is going on?

00:17:33.000 That is a very troubling and sad thing.

00:17:35.000 Now, I do believe that there is a direct connection between a lot of this postmodernist garbage that is being, you know, a lot of you guys are going into debt for to learn and the fact that all of a sudden you have something that could be best described as existential despair.

00:17:50.000 You feed a child a steady diet of Jock Derrida and Michelle Foucault and Herbert Marcuse without being anchored in absolute truth, or at least the kind of the inquiry of such, you're going to really mess with some kids' heads.

00:18:02.000 I really believe that does not help.

00:18:03.000 But also, even deeper than that, and this is where I think some students would totally agree, especially those on the left and some adults would say not so fast, is I think that older generations did a massive disservice to this generation.

00:18:16.000 And I don't say that lightly.

00:18:17.000 I'm not one to try to wage generational warfare.

00:18:21.000 I don't like it, but it's true.

00:18:23.000 The lockdowns will go down as one of the worst mistakes in American history where we decided to harm a generation for an awful reason.

00:18:32.000 And this generation is still trying to climb out of it.

00:18:34.000 We locked down a generation and masked them and forced mRNA gene altering technology on them by saying maybe you get kicked out of school or have your entire life ruined for a virus that did not significantly threaten them.

00:18:46.000 And every single person in this room could tell you a story as someone that has been left aside.

00:18:49.000 Maybe you are one of those people.

00:18:51.000 And we're here for you if you need help in any way possible of someone that is now in a very serious mental health crisis, someone that took their life.

00:18:58.000 And I'm telling you, the lockdowns are a direct correlation to this generational carnage that a lot of young people are living through.

00:19:04.000 And, you know, a lot of adults will say, oh, young people just need to work harder.

00:19:07.000 I agree.

00:19:08.000 You know, there is a work ethic issue.

00:19:10.000 But how about we take a pause and we tell young people, like, we were wrong.

00:19:14.000 This never should have happened.

00:19:15.000 We never should have took prom and graduation.

00:19:18.000 And I know a lot of you out there that are adults were against it.

00:19:24.000 So I'm overly generalizing.

00:19:26.000 But the consensus of the American adults did it.

00:19:29.000 It's a fact, right?

00:19:30.000 They just did.

00:19:32.000 And it was so perverse when you really think about it, which is the 15, 16, and 17 year olds that have their whole life ahead of them.

00:19:40.000 They need to be locked at home so that they won't spread a virus to their grandparents.

00:19:45.000 Now, I'm not a fan, obviously, of anyone spreading viruses to anybody.

00:19:48.000 But the question should have always been, the kids come first.

00:19:52.000 What's right for them first?

00:19:54.000 Because now we see the results, right?

00:19:56.000 And not to mention all of our insane fiscal policy is around this.

00:20:00.000 And I say this to conservatives all the time.

00:20:03.000 And I think that we could find some agreement with some people on the left here tonight, which is, you want to know why so many people on the left and younger that love socialism.

00:20:11.000 Yeah, part of it, they want free stuff and they've been indoctrinated, all that.

00:20:13.000 Obviously, it's all totally true.

00:20:14.000 I get that.

00:20:15.000 But I want you to put yourself in a young UT Austin grad's shoes for a second.

00:20:20.000 They graduated with a philosophy degree and now they have to go become a barista or whatever the career track is.

00:20:29.000 I mean that non-jokingly, right?

00:20:30.000 And they were like, wait a second, I did what I was told.

00:20:32.000 I borrowed the money.

00:20:33.000 I got the piece of paper.

00:20:34.000 I'm $70,000 in debt, whatever, right?

00:20:36.000 And now they go to go pay rent and everything's twice as expensive because we decided to go print a bunch of money we didn't have.

00:20:42.000 And inflation is crushing people.

00:20:44.000 And good luck trying to buy a home if you're a young person right now with what, 6.6% interest rates and down payments out of reach.

00:20:52.000 And this is something that is some conservatives reject this argument, but just hold on, which is some people that then embrace socialist ideas, at some point you have to wonder like, man, you can blame them a little bit, but did we create the conditions where they're ready to embrace free enterprise?

00:21:07.000 And the answer is no.

00:21:10.000 I hear all the time, and this is probably the best argument from the left right now in America.

00:21:14.000 And this is for the left.

00:21:15.000 They're so busy talking about stuff.

00:21:16.000 If they were smart, they would talk about this stuff.

00:21:18.000 They would win everything.

00:21:19.000 But instead, they're too talking about race all the time and defunding the police and men becoming pregnant.

00:21:22.000 If they were smart, if they were smart, they would say the very simple, which is very, really true, which is a 25-year-old is working harder and getting poor than any other time in American history.

00:21:32.000 That's true, not American history, the last 50 years.

00:21:35.000 And not only is that true, it creates a lot of anger in people, and it should, because you have a rule-following generation.

00:21:40.000 That's what I call Gen Z and millennials, because they followed every single rule put in front of them.

00:21:44.000 And they say, I can't afford gas.

00:21:46.000 I can't afford groceries.

00:21:48.000 I have to go into debt just to be able to survive.

00:21:50.000 And they want to just be preached by the older generation.

00:21:52.000 Like, oh, just go work harder.

00:21:53.000 Go apply yourself more.

00:21:55.000 If you want to all of a sudden, if you want to have a Marxist revolution on your hands, you got to fix this really quick.

00:22:00.000 You got a bunch of young people with college degrees that don't own anything.

00:22:04.000 That's not going to end well.

00:22:06.000 You got a bunch, you know, it's a great rule for life.

00:22:08.000 People burn down Wendy's only if they don't own anything.

00:22:11.000 Okay?

00:22:11.000 Like the people, if you own a mortgage, you're probably less likely to go all of a sudden act in revolutionary fervor.

00:22:16.000 And I think we're on the cusp of an economic collapse in this country in more ways than one.

00:22:21.000 And again, it's not even political.

00:22:22.000 It's just talking very realistically, which is, do you think the hard economic left, which again, this is the great miscalculation of the American Marxists.

00:22:32.000 And if there's a Marxist here now, I'd be happy to talk to you because the Marxist, you're giving advice to Marxists, right?

00:22:37.000 It's quite a thing, which is they decided to go all in on this race Marxism garbage, which actually was the best gift for those of us that are conservatives because they decided to show their true colors that they're actually not about economics. 0.57

00:22:47.000 They're about dividing people based on skin color and tribes and going against straight white men and all that sort of nonsense that they're doing. 0.55

00:22:53.000 When every single one of their arguments of like, oh, we need to confiscate wealth and all total and complete garbage, obviously, being a free enterprise guy has kind of gone by the wayside in a way where you have a legitimate economic anxiety amongst the younger generation.

00:23:09.000 And so the question is, how are conservatives going to respond to that?

00:23:12.000 Well, I mean, I think our response needs to be, of course, rooted in market principles and rooted in consent of the government constitutional ideas.

00:23:18.000 But I have to even say beyond that, it's we should also as conservatives be defenders and we should be pushers of things that would give this generation that currently is telling us they're in misery by every metric possible, things that would give them meaning, make it easier to marry and have children in our country, make it easier to be able to buy a home, to have a little bit of investment in that very same American dream.

00:23:39.000 You want to de-radicalize a generation?

00:23:42.000 Have them experience the same sort of growth that many of you experienced, adults in the room, in the 1980s.

00:23:48.000 Your politics get very de-radicalized when you're getting wealthier and you start having kids.

00:23:53.000 You want to know why this generation has radicalized politics?

00:23:56.000 Because they're getting poor and they're not having children and not getting married.

00:23:59.000 It's the perfect kind of raw material for every single one of these awful ideas to kind of go in and metastasize.

00:24:07.000 So it kind of goes both ways.

00:24:08.000 I tell young people work harder, apply yourself more.

00:24:10.000 At the same time, as someone who's kind of a bridge between generations, being 28 years old, I think there needs to be a national recovery plan.

00:24:17.000 I don't know what that looks like.

00:24:18.000 I don't know what that means, but I've said this before.

00:24:20.000 I would much rather see money go to help kids be able to own homes and have families and send it to Ukraine. 1.00

00:24:27.000 I think that is a much more important priority for our leaders.

00:24:34.000 That's not a popular position in every room.

00:24:36.000 Obviously, it is here, but I think there's a moral obligation to defend your citizens.

00:24:40.000 So, but yeah, this look, for those of you that are Gen Z and you're here tonight and you don't know how you stand politically welcome, by the way, we're glad you're here.

00:24:48.000 It's more important where you ask yourselves the question: how am I going to be able to live a life of contribution and meaning and purpose?

00:24:54.000 And I guess I'll close with this and we'll do some questions, which is it could be very depressing and very dark when you watch the news and all this, but I just want to be able to tell you that there is a beautiful life that is ahead of all of you.

00:25:06.000 There really is.

00:25:07.000 There are things that give your life meaning that you might be told on a daily basis you shouldn't do.

00:25:12.000 Getting married, having children, having a job that you believe in, being able to serve your country, your church, your community, whatever those things might be.

00:25:19.000 Those are very beautiful and important things.

00:25:22.000 And so we're kind of going through this massive thing where they say, you know, we have this mental health crisis on our hands.

00:25:27.000 And there's a lot of different reasons for that.

00:25:27.000 And I know we do.

00:25:29.000 Lockdowns, as I said, contributed to it.

00:25:31.000 But what is a young person generally, if they believed everything the left told them, what are they to believe in?

00:25:39.000 Yeah, I mean, exactly.

00:25:40.000 Government.

00:25:40.000 Yeah, okay, great.

00:25:41.000 That's awfully depressing, right?

00:25:44.000 Where it's, can't we, as conservatives, paint a much more beautiful picture than that of safe local communities that function?

00:25:51.000 How about a future where we don't care about skin color at all?

00:25:54.000 We don't talk about it.

00:25:59.000 I think that's necessary.

00:26:01.000 And I think it's very compelling.

00:26:02.000 In fact, I know it's compelling.

00:26:04.000 And I think that's a lot more important for conservatives to talk about than tax cuts.

00:26:08.000 But it also goes into this, which is one of the main strategies is if you get a generation to no longer believe in the history and the story of that nation, then why wouldn't they just tear it all down?

00:26:18.000 And that's one of the reasons why I'm such a defender of the American Republic and our history, which is a beautiful history.

00:26:24.000 It really is the great American story.

00:26:26.000 It's a land of hope.

00:26:28.000 It's a story where you can start with absolutely nothing and you can achieve something.

00:26:31.000 I just don't mean monetarily.

00:26:33.000 It's a place of applied success and meritocracy, and we have to get it back.

00:26:37.000 And that starts here at this campus and spreading the truth and having debate and dialogue and reason and hearing each other's ideas out.

00:26:44.000 But I'll tell you right now, it's a massive crisis because I look at the next generation and I'm very afraid that we're going to be talking about a country that used to exist.

00:26:53.000 And I'm not okay with that.

00:26:54.000 And that's why I'm here tonight.

00:26:55.000 Okay, let's do some questions.

00:26:56.000 Thank you guys for sitting through that.

00:27:00.000 Just some ground rules, everybody.

00:27:01.000 Obviously, it's somewhat of a majority conservative audience here.

00:27:05.000 You guys can feel free to form a line and ask questions if you would like.

00:27:08.000 If you disagree, you can go to the front of the line.

00:27:11.000 And then if somebody who is on the left comes, please treat them with respect.

00:27:15.000 Don't boo them or scold them.

00:27:17.000 It takes courage to go to an event of people that you disagree with.

00:27:19.000 So show them respect and give them an opportunity to kind of state their case if someone from the opposition goes there.

00:27:27.000 So feel free to get in line, guys, if you want.

00:27:29.000 And okay, question here.

00:27:30.000 Howdy, Charlie.

00:27:30.000 All right.

00:27:31.000 Thank you for coming.

00:27:32.000 I'm sure that all of us are so excited that you're here finally.

00:27:36.000 So before I ask my question, I just got to say this.

00:27:38.000 We need you to come to Texas AM University.

00:27:41.000 I know that we're here at UT, but I'm not the only person that thinks that.

00:27:44.000 Okay, so I don't remember if it was at SAS 2022 or at AmericaFest, but I remember you saying that UT Austin is the most leftist university you have ever visited.

00:27:55.000 It's been a few years since you've been here.

00:27:57.000 So, and I mean, you can elaborate on this.

00:28:00.000 Does that still prove true?

00:28:02.000 I know you said UC Berkeley.

00:28:03.000 Okay, so last time I was here, that was something.

00:28:06.000 I got to tell you, we had like a cameraman get assaulted, and it was all sorts of crazy stuff.

00:28:11.000 That was four years ago.

00:28:13.000 So I don't think this campus has gotten more conservative, but I think other campuses have gotten more liberal.

00:28:19.000 So by process of elimination, you're no longer the most liberal school I visited.

00:28:22.000 So I guess you'll take it, right?

00:28:25.000 So, no, but I will say this, though, I'll repeat it.

00:28:28.000 The administration coming in and allowing our dialogue to happen, hosting the event, campus police, that's very good.

00:28:34.000 I don't get that at every school.

00:28:35.000 I got to tell you.

00:28:36.000 We got to fight for every single inch.

00:28:39.000 And so that's good.

00:28:40.000 I appreciate it.

00:28:41.000 But I said this kind of out in the open when I was there.

00:28:45.000 There is a lot of work to do here because some of the postmodern pablum that I was hearing has some very, very serious implications.

00:28:55.000 So the question, I guess, is also liberal versus leftist, right?

00:28:59.000 Liberal, I'm fine with, okay?

00:29:01.000 Liberals like free speech, live and let live.

00:29:04.000 Okay, fine.

00:29:04.000 I'm not a liberal.

00:29:05.000 Leftists really bother me.

00:29:07.000 Leftists are the few people, not a lot, who came up today and they said, you don't have a right to be here.

00:29:12.000 We want to kick you off campus.

00:29:13.000 Okay. 0.89

00:29:15.000 Leftists bother me.

00:29:16.000 They're totalitarians and they should bother you too.

00:29:18.000 Instead of having debate or dialogue, they resort to force or they try to intimidate you with threats or they try to play music while you talk.

00:29:24.000 So there's a difference between liberals and leftists.

00:29:27.000 And I hope UT at least remains liberal and never becomes leftist in that regard.

00:29:32.000 Thank you.

00:29:33.000 Thank you, Charlie.

00:29:33.000 Appreciate it.

00:29:39.000 I also want to say thank you so much for coming out here and speaking to us today.

00:29:39.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:29:43.000 I have a question that's a little bit more political about transgenderism.

00:29:46.000 As a parent yourself, what would you say to maybe a teacher who's pushing this agenda onto students, maybe even your daughter one day?

00:29:54.000 Yeah, that person is a groomer who is a pervert and should not be in teaching to use their position in education to put forward radical, baseless, perverse gender queer theory on a five, six, or seven or eight year old. 1.00

00:30:11.000 That is a, I mean, I used the right descriptions, right, when I said that.

00:30:14.000 Not only does it have no place in education, the implications of that are quite obvious.

00:30:19.000 And evidence after evidence after evidence is surfacing of parents telling kids not to, I'm sorry, teachers telling parents, teachers telling kids not to tell their parents, right?

00:30:28.000 Teachers coming in and saying, you know, do not repeat this.

00:30:31.000 And if we're at a place in society where we can't remove pornographic images from kids' textbooks, then we got a serious problem.

00:30:40.000 And that's where we're at.

00:30:41.000 I mean, if you're at seven, eight, or nine years old and you have this graphic, graphic teaching, it really shows a broader sickness.

00:30:49.000 Why?

00:30:49.000 Why, though?

00:30:50.000 Well, it's because the innocence of children is worthy of being protected and preserved.

00:30:53.000 It's a moral good.

00:30:55.000 The innocence of children is very important because they never get it back.

00:30:58.000 And that period of childhood development where they are quote unquote as innocent as they can be is important for them to find out their values, grow close to their parents, find out what's right and wrong.

00:31:09.000 You know what ends up happening when the innocence of children is robbed?

00:31:12.000 They're less likely to take risks and fail and learn who they are.

00:31:16.000 Every study shows this.

00:31:18.000 When a child's innocence is quote unquote robbed, you could use whatever graphic example you could imagine, then all of a sudden, are they going to be as likely to, you know, there's a great, there's an old Hebrew proverb, which is, someone who's afraid of being embarrassed will never learn.

00:31:36.000 It's a great Hebrew proverb, isn't it?

00:31:38.000 Which is they're going to be less likely to ask, quote unquote, the dumb question, maybe more likely to be in their shell. 0.58

00:31:43.000 I think there's something really fun and exciting of a five, six, or seven-year-old that asks the wackiest questions you could imagine because they're trying to explore truth. 0.94

00:31:50.000 We want to destroy that.

00:31:51.000 You never get that back.

00:31:52.000 Once it's gone, there is no reversing it.

00:31:54.000 And I think that's a very special thing.

00:31:56.000 I think every, you know, the kind of the beauty of what the West has been able to do is saying that those of us that are older and those of us that have some form of strength need to use that strength, I mean strength more collectively, not physical strength, use that to protect children that can't protect themselves.

00:32:12.000 And then once they become to an age of informed consent, we basically have that age around 18, then obviously they can, you know, make more decisions themselves.

00:32:20.000 But we're not even talking about 18.

00:32:21.000 We're not even talking about 14.

00:32:22.000 We're not talking about 12.

00:32:23.000 We're talking about five, six, and seven-year-olds.

00:32:26.000 We're talking about the most moldable, impressionable ages imaginable.

00:32:30.000 Thank you for your question.

00:32:31.000 I appreciate it.

00:32:37.000 Okay.

00:32:38.000 Hi, Charlie.

00:32:39.000 I just want to open up by saying I am a leftist and I understand your perspective on it.

00:32:42.000 Thanks for being here.

00:32:43.000 But I did want to hear you out today and, well, you know, ask a question.

00:32:47.000 So you said that you believe that quarantine is the cause of our generations like distraught, essentially.

00:32:53.000 And I believe that is actually war.

00:32:55.000 Like we were born fresh out of 9-11, some of us around the time of 9-11.

00:32:59.000 And I don't know.

00:33:01.000 My father served in Afghanistan.

00:33:03.000 So I don't have a very keen perspective of the United States, let's say, but I did want to hear you out and what you had to say.

00:33:11.000 And I do believe we have some common ground in the fact that capitalism has failed my generation more than any other in recent years.

00:33:17.000 Yeah, I didn't quite say that, but I would say lack of free enterprise in some ways, but that's okay.

00:33:22.000 You got most of it.

00:33:23.000 So, yeah, so the lockdowns, not quarantine, right?

00:33:27.000 That was the word I used.

00:33:28.000 But I mean, I'll just, I'll prove it to you.

00:33:30.000 So the war thing aside, I mean, how many people in this room know someone that committed suicide or seriously harmed themselves in the midst of the pandemic just by a show of hands?

00:33:38.000 That's a lot.

00:33:39.000 I mean, the numbers show suicide visits were 50% higher among 12 to 17-year-olds during the same period in 2018.

00:33:46.000 Psychiatric medication prescription went up.

00:33:49.000 Alcoholism went up.

00:33:51.000 Drug use went up.

00:33:52.000 Not to mention young people then re-entered an economy where everything was twice as expensive because we created a bunch of money because of the lack of productivity in the lockdowns.

00:34:00.000 And so I think it's just unarguable that the lockdowns played a huge role, a massive role in really depriving a generation of the ability to congregate and to communicate.

00:34:12.000 Can I say my perspective?

00:34:13.000 Yeah, sure.

00:34:14.000 This is kind of personal, but I was considering taking my own life before quarantine.

00:34:18.000 And I think discovering myself during quarantine is what saved myself.

00:34:21.000 I have quite the opposite experience.

00:34:22.000 I know that is unique in that case, but I would say that it's the opposite.

00:34:28.000 I would say it's the opposite case.

00:34:29.000 But that's just my personal perspective.

00:34:31.000 I think there are far more worse things that my generation has been exposed to than the lockdown and the inflation that you have cited during the lockdown.

00:34:40.000 That's arguably not the fault of the current standing president if you do believe that it is the fault of the current standing president.

00:34:45.000 Well, right.

00:34:46.000 I mean, first of all, Biden created $5 trillion new dollars, not created, but he approved $5 trillion new dollars that was hyper, hyper-inflationary.

00:34:53.000 But I'll even give you that the other COVID relief funds never should have been approved.

00:34:57.000 But look, it's not just the suicide issue.

00:34:58.000 First of all, thank you.

00:34:59.000 We're glad you're here.

00:35:00.000 We're glad you didn't make that decision.

00:35:01.000 Life is beautiful and worthy of protection.

00:35:03.000 I mean that.

00:35:07.000 And but it's from childhood speech impediment development.

00:35:12.000 It's from asocial cues.

00:35:13.000 It's from, if you talk to any psychologist or child psychologist, they do not have the bandwidth to be able to even facilitate the amount of kids.

00:35:20.000 And I know that you have an obviously exception experience, but that is the exception, right?

00:35:24.000 I mean, it is self-evident that these lockdowns were unusually cruel.

00:35:29.000 And you know who they were most cruel to?

00:35:31.000 To poor families. 0.91

00:35:33.000 It was the most cruel to people that didn't have extra bedrooms or high-speed internet connection to be able to keep up with this.

00:35:40.000 The kind of zoomification of American education was the hardest on the people that the regime said they want to help the most.

00:35:49.000 And I mean, so you're an economic leftist.

00:35:52.000 Is that fair to say?

00:35:53.000 I mean, would you at least agree that for one of your passionate causes, which is billionaires getting wealthier, billionaires got $600 billion wealthier?

00:36:01.000 Absolutely.

00:36:02.000 And like your whole big tech sucks, is that what it says? 0.98

00:36:04.000 I don't know what it says. 0.94

00:36:05.000 Yeah, that's one of them.

00:36:06.000 I'm absolutely on your side with that.

00:36:07.000 And I don't think enough conservatives understand that the left are equally against big business as they are.

00:36:13.000 Well, some leftists, right?

00:36:14.000 I mean, it depends who you talk to.

00:36:16.000 Like the loud minority, I would say, are the ones that make you get the impression that we're not against big business.

00:36:22.000 Yeah, I promise the ones I actually read are.

00:36:24.000 Excuse me where I'm a little cynical about that, just to be honest, where I have to hear they're against big business while they mandated a Pfizer-AstraZeneca Moderna vaccine of publicly traded transnational corporations.

00:36:35.000 And see, that's more of like, in my eyes, a neoliberal concept.

00:36:41.000 Okay, but I mean, it was find me one left-wing senator that opposed that and it just didn't exist.

00:36:46.000 But I think you're coming at this from an honest perspective.

00:36:49.000 And I just, I'm, I'll just close with this.

00:36:52.000 This is what drives me nuts about kind of the fixation on race all the time and all these other issues that I would prefer not to talk about is that I think there's actually agreement on kind of how things went wrong last couple of years.

00:37:04.000 You blame capitalism, I blame more cronyism and big government intervention over a lot of different things.

00:37:09.000 But I'm afraid that a lot of what we spend our time talking about are some of the more superficial issues rooted in race Marxism.

00:37:18.000 I actually absolutely agree.

00:37:20.000 So I believe classism is the biggest issue in America.

00:37:20.000 I absolutely agree.

00:37:22.000 Yeah, so let me ask you a question.

00:37:24.000 As a leftist, you know, why is it that the American left, why is the American left allowing the conversation to be controlled by white liberals that just want to stay rich?

00:37:33.000 It's big business paying them off.

00:37:35.000 It's not.

00:37:36.000 That's an honest answer.

00:37:38.000 You are a true revolutionary.

00:37:39.000 So God bless you, Comrade.

00:37:41.000 Thanks for being here tonight.

00:37:42.000 So thank you.

00:37:44.000 Thank you.

00:37:45.000 Thank you, man.

00:37:46.000 Thank you.

00:37:48.000 If you disagree, come to the line, whatever you guys want.

00:37:50.000 Thanks.

00:37:51.000 All right.

00:37:52.000 So abortion seems to be like a big topic these days.

00:37:55.000 And I was actually at your booth earlier.

00:37:57.000 I was just listening in, and that was a big topic there, too.

00:38:00.000 And so I guess I just had a question about that because at the booth, like whenever you were, whenever someone was asking you why revalling the fetus, it kept coming back to human life.

00:38:10.000 And like, I didn't really understand what you meant by that because when you say human life, human life by definition is an organism or a being that has human DNA.

00:38:22.000 And so when the fetus only really has that connection with, you know, like fully grown adults or just like born children, what entitles the fetus to violate the property rights of the mother over her own body or to have the government do so on her behalf?

00:38:40.000 Does that baby have unique DNA?

00:38:43.000 Yeah.

00:38:44.000 So by your own definition, that should be worthy of protection, right?

00:38:47.000 No, I don't believe that DNA has moral value.

00:38:50.000 Oh, okay, got it.

00:38:51.000 So when does human life begin?

00:38:53.000 Well, human life, I guess, if you say like an organism that is human species, by definition, begins at conception.

00:39:02.000 Right.

00:39:02.000 So then my position is that being that begins at conception is worthy of constitutional rights and protection.

00:39:08.000 What moral value does simply having being an organism, even if it's just a single-celled organism that has human DNA, what moral value does it mean?

00:39:08.000 Why?

00:39:15.000 Right, because human beings are different.

00:39:17.000 Human beings have the ability to have rational speech, to reason, not just consciousness, not just the ability to feel.

00:39:24.000 Human beings are the only species that can not just feel pain and pleasure, but can tell the just from the unjust.

00:39:31.000 Human beings are something that is so beautiful and so special.

00:39:34.000 And of course, I have many different reasons to believe this, but I'll make a natural law argument that that DNA will never exist again.

00:39:40.000 It's distinct and it is living.

00:39:43.000 And if allowed uninterrupted growth, that human being will hopefully mature into something just like you have.

00:39:49.000 And we're all abortion survivors, aren't we?

00:39:58.000 Okay, so you mentioned the, I guess, the rationality that makes human beings special.

00:40:03.000 But that single-celled organism doesn't have that rationality yet.

00:40:06.000 And so what qualifies the entirety of the human species to so my seven-week old doesn't have a lot of rationality yet.

00:40:16.000 It, I mean, my baby girl eats and does other things and sleeps.

00:40:21.000 Does, I mean, obviously you would agree.

00:40:23.000 It's that seven-week old has value.

00:40:26.000 Well, yeah, but I'm not coming from an argument of rationality.

00:40:29.000 I'd come from more of like a self-ownership type perspective.

00:40:32.000 And I simply don't believe that an organism that is inherently dependent, like on the on like violating another person's property rights in order to survive.

00:40:43.000 Right.

00:40:43.000 So, but I mean, my seven-week old is very dependent on my wife and me.

00:40:48.000 That doesn't mean I can just eliminate my seven-week old.

00:40:50.000 Like, I'm sorry?

00:40:51.000 Obviously, like, the seven-week old depends on like for practicality and living.

00:40:55.000 But if we're talking about a moral perspective, right, just the capacity to have rationality, why does that give it moral value?

00:41:02.000 Okay, but we're talking about two different things.

00:41:04.000 I guess the question is, do you believe just because something is dependent on another, is that a reason that you could be able to eliminate that being?

00:41:12.000 If that being has to violate someone else's moral rights in order to do so, yes.

00:41:17.000 Really?

00:41:18.000 Yeah.

00:41:19.000 So what moral rights do you mean by that?

00:41:22.000 The right to have like autonomy over your own body.

00:41:24.000 If another actor is violating those rights, then yeah, to remove it, I don't see a problem with that.

00:41:29.000 So bodily autonomy would be more important than another being being able to live a full life.

00:41:29.000 Got it.

00:41:36.000 Yeah, I would value a being that has the right to property over one that doesn't have a right to property yet.

00:41:41.000 Got it.

00:41:42.000 Just because the being is older and not in the womb and bigger.

00:41:46.000 And also because the being is a person and not just an organism.

00:41:49.000 Okay, so but if that being's one week old, it's more than a single cell or organism.

00:41:54.000 Yeah, but that person, that one week old still has like autonomy over themselves, at least at one week old.

00:42:00.000 Like has an inherent like got it.

00:42:02.000 Okay.

00:42:02.000 Natural autonomy over.

00:42:03.000 So this is where we have clarity, but not agreement.

00:42:06.000 Here's the problem.

00:42:06.000 Okay.

00:42:07.000 Morality that built the West and the morality that I'm going to defend tonight is that one week old can't defend themselves.

00:42:14.000 So stronger, bigger people not in the womb need to insert themselves to make sure that one week old is not terminated by people that are just happen to be older and bigger than them.

00:42:25.000 Is that regardless of size, as soon as that life begins, which you agreed, it starts at conception, that being deserves constitutional rights, uniquely and fearfully made.

00:42:33.000 And it's the question of the morality of a society, what we're willing to do when that being comes into existence.

00:42:40.000 Because human life is special.

00:42:41.000 Human life is different than dolphins.

00:42:43.000 It's different than chimpanzees.

00:42:45.000 We not just have the ability to reason, and I'm going to make an argument you might not agree with.

00:42:48.000 Yes, human beings have a soul.

00:42:50.000 And a soul is worthy of protection.

00:42:52.000 I would even go as far to say that human being is made in the image of the creator.

00:42:55.000 I don't expect you to agree with that.

00:42:56.000 Final point.

00:42:57.000 Okay, so I guess I would just believe that the only types of, I mean, at least the only types of humans that can have moral rights are ones that act as moral agents.

00:43:08.000 And a single-celled organism that's living in a womb or a multicellular organism that's living in a womb.

00:43:13.000 Can you explain what you mean by moral agents?

00:43:15.000 Moral agency?

00:43:17.000 So if you don't have moral agency, then you could be up for elimination.

00:43:22.000 If you don't have, I mean, if you don't have moral agency, if you don't have like the ability to like, if you don't have ownership over your own body yet.

00:43:28.000 Yeah, so by the way, that is babies until they're about 18 months old do not have ownership of their own body.

00:43:33.000 No, I would say that they would.

00:43:35.000 Okay, how would my seven-week old feed herself if I just left her in the crib? 1.00

00:43:38.000 That's not ownership over your own body, though.

00:43:40.000 The ability to move your body by instinct even is ownership over your own body.

00:43:43.000 Okay, so a 22-week-old baby in the womb moves all the time.

00:43:49.000 You're contradicting yourself.

00:43:50.000 You have to have a line.

00:43:52.000 At 15 weeks, six weeks, there's a heartbeat.

00:43:56.000 I guess I would say that.

00:43:59.000 Okay, so that was a good point.

00:44:01.000 Thank you.

00:44:03.000 Thank you.

00:44:07.000 I guess I probably just need to clarify that what I mean by like self-ownership or moral agency, because that organism or that human, whatever in the womb is still inherent, like in order to like survive, it's inherently biologically dependent, even if it does nothing, right?

00:44:25.000 It's biologically dependent on the mother.

00:44:27.000 And so if we talk about like late term, like just, I mean, like, I guess I don't want to go into that territory just like right now, right?

00:44:34.000 So if we say, huh?

00:44:36.000 So like if we just talk about like early term like abortion, I simply don't see, I don't have, like, and I don't think that generally people see a moral value that is similar to even that of a newborn baby in something that is just conceived.

00:44:53.000 We have clarity.

00:44:54.000 Thank you for your question, man.

00:44:55.000 Appreciate it.

00:44:55.000 Thank you.

00:45:02.000 Hi.

00:45:03.000 So we've now had the COVID vaccine out for about two years now, right?

00:45:07.000 End of 2028 came out.

00:45:09.000 And my question to you basically is: how long is it going to take you to accept the fact that the COVID vaccine is fine for people to use?

00:45:23.000 Did you hear about what the Florida Surgeon General said the other day?

00:45:27.000 Are you aware that over 2 billion people have taken the vaccine?

00:45:30.000 And there are incentives by other countries who have made their own vaccines to go against the United States.

00:45:35.000 And even Donald Trump himself.

00:45:36.000 So you don't know that he's Trump against me.

00:45:38.000 That's really rich.

00:45:39.000 So the Florida Surgeon General said that the vaccine has caused an 84% increase in cardiovascular events for young men 18 to 40.

00:45:50.000 Why would he say that?

00:45:54.000 Well, if you look at the entire pool of people who have gotten the vaccine, it does actually.

00:46:00.000 So let's do that.

00:46:01.000 Raise your hand if you know someone that was harmed by the vaccine or had an adverse event.

00:46:04.000 Look around.

00:46:05.000 Well, 2 billion people.

00:46:06.000 Are they lying?

00:46:07.000 No, look around.

00:46:09.000 That's a lot of people that have seen adverse events.

00:46:12.000 So don't you think that if it really is...

00:46:14.000 Is it all a conspiracy?

00:46:15.000 No, no.

00:46:17.000 Let's say it's not a conspiracy.

00:46:19.000 Don't you think that the fact that in your world that this false vaccine has been distributed so like widespread throughout not just the United States, but the world demonstrates that the United States is a failed country?

00:46:32.000 No, but I don't personally don't believe that the United States is a failed country.

00:46:36.000 I like living in the United States, but I have faith in our institutions enough to say that distributing a vaccine to 300-something billion people in the United States, that is false or that it's not safe to use.

00:46:50.000 Well, so what do you know about the VARES, the government database of VARES, the vaccine adverse event reporting system?

00:46:55.000 But I can go on the system and report whatever I want.

00:46:57.000 Well, no, actually, it's a very long, exhaustive process that takes 45 minutes to an hour.

00:47:01.000 Under penalty of perjury to go to jail if you followed a false report.

00:47:01.000 Hold on.

00:47:04.000 And if you talk to them in a hospital, they say it's underreported.

00:47:07.000 According to the government's website, 31,330 people died because of the vaccine.

00:47:12.000 According to the government website, 179,806 people were hospitalized.

00:47:16.000 136,000 people were in urgent care, 16,100 with Bell's palsy, 10,064 with anaphylaxis, and over 207,576 doctor office visits, 5,000 miscarriages, 16,000 heart attacks, and 52,000 events of myocarditis and pericarditis.

00:47:32.000 That is not a safe or effective vaccine.

00:47:35.000 Do you think that if we compare those numbers to the total amount of people who got the vaccine, that it makes it...

00:47:39.000 Say it again.

00:47:40.000 I couldn't hear you.

00:47:42.000 You can list like a large amount of people.

00:47:45.000 Like 10,000 people sounds like a lot of people.

00:47:47.000 Like 100,000 people sounds like a lot of people.

00:47:49.000 But when you divide that number by the amount of people who have taken the vaccine, then you can look at the statistical rate of that.

00:47:54.000 You do realize that.

00:47:55.000 You can compare it to other vaccines and see if it's the exact same thing.

00:47:57.000 If the flu shot has even six adverse events, they pull it from the entire field for adverse.

00:48:03.000 It has six.

00:48:05.000 So let me ask you a final question.

00:48:08.000 So the Florida Surgeon General said the following.

00:48:11.000 This analysis found that there's an 84% increase in the relative incidence of cardiac-related deaths among males 18 to 39 years old within 28 days following the mRNA vaccination.

00:48:21.000 That's the Florida Surgeon General that has come out.

00:48:23.000 Pfizer came and testified today, and they said, we never tested the vaccine to be able to prevent the spread of the virus.

00:48:30.000 Pfizer has admitted the booster shot was tested on eight mice.

00:48:34.000 Does that bother you?

00:48:36.000 Do you realize that there's variants, right?

00:48:38.000 The original COVID variant is the one that they're saying.

00:48:41.000 The mouse variant?

00:48:42.000 No.

00:48:45.000 We have the Delta variant and we have the Omicron variant now, right?

00:48:48.000 In the beginning, the first variant of coronavirus is the one that they claimed the original vaccines stopped the spread of, right?

00:48:55.000 And then the Delta weaned that off and Omicron weighed that off even more.

00:48:58.000 And now they don't say that.

00:48:59.000 They say that it prevents hospitalization and death, which is still true.

00:49:04.000 So here's the thing.

00:49:04.000 Right.

00:49:05.000 I'm going to trust not just the data, not just the Florida Surgeon General, not just my own lying eyes.

00:49:10.000 You looked around the room.

00:49:11.000 People have experience after experience after experience.

00:49:13.000 And by the way, if you think it works, God bless you.

00:49:15.000 Take it.

00:49:16.000 Have a great time.

00:49:17.000 But I have a moral obligation as a communicator not to lie to you.

00:49:21.000 And I'm looking at the data and I'm never going to back away from this position.

00:49:26.000 And honestly, history is going to vindicate every one of us that told you not to take this.

00:49:31.000 Thank you very much.

00:49:34.000 Sure.

00:49:35.000 Hey, Charlie, thanks for coming out.

00:49:36.000 I got to admit, I was a little freaked out when you had all those numbers that you just pulled out.

00:49:40.000 I was like, whoa, don't mess with Charlie.

00:49:42.000 He has the facts ready to go.

00:49:44.000 It's a little intimidating, right?

00:49:45.000 But, and I have to say, too, like on the last comment, even if there was only a 1% adverse effect, why are we mandating it then?

00:49:52.000 Why are people losing their livelihoods getting kicked off?

00:49:53.000 They're getting kicked out of the military for this.

00:49:55.000 Exactly.

00:49:56.000 But my question to you is, my question to you is, are you a nationalist?

00:50:01.000 And if you are, do you think nationalism leans more towards loving your people or loving the ideas of your country?

00:50:07.000 Under the proper description, yes, I am a nationalist.

00:50:10.000 Under the proper descriptions, I think there's a lot of smearing and you should always value people more.

00:50:15.000 Great.

00:50:16.000 That was the quickest answer here.

00:50:16.000 Thank you.

00:50:18.000 Thank you.

00:50:18.000 Appreciate it.

00:50:24.000 Hi, good evening.

00:50:25.000 I'll start by saying I'm a leftist, but I found common ground with you on abortion.

00:50:30.000 And I completely agree that, you know, whatever you want to call it, a fetus at whatever stage it is, it's alive.

00:50:42.000 There's no contention on that front.

00:50:43.000 My concern, though, and I want to hear your perspective on this, is here in Texas, we have the strictest abortion ban in the whole country.

00:50:51.000 There's no exception for rape or incest or for the life of the mother after six weeks.

00:50:57.000 My concern is that the government is mandating that people carry out their pregnancies even when it goes against their own life and their own well-being. 0.97

00:51:07.000 I can take an example of if somebody is threatening to harm you, you have a right to self-defense.

00:51:13.000 Why not have the same, give the same autonomy to people who are pregnant? 0.97

00:51:17.000 Okay, thoughtful question.

00:51:19.000 Thank you.

00:51:20.000 So first thing is, if you believe abortion is wrong, which you admitted it is, well, then you should obviously have laws that. 0.98

00:51:27.000 I'll clarify, I didn't admit that abortion was wrong.

00:51:30.000 Okay, that said, I see it as a form of self-defense.

00:51:33.000 Okay, right.

00:51:34.000 So that's a new one.

00:51:38.000 Well, as the previous person says, that person inside of you is completely dependent on you in a way different than a natural born person.

00:51:47.000 So in most cases, rape and incest aside, how did that being get there?

00:51:54.000 I mean, in most cases, through sex, regardless of rape or incest.

00:51:58.000 Yeah, so there was a choice made.

00:52:00.000 I see your point.

00:52:01.000 Even with a choice, let's say you invite someone into your home and they still decide to assault you.

00:52:07.000 Does that mean you not have a right to self-defense against them?

00:52:10.000 Well, no, I think that, for example, if you have a bunch of teenagers over to your home and they start wrecking everything, you shouldn't be shocked when all of a sudden you wake up the next morning and things are a little awry.

00:52:19.000 But we're not just talking about wrecking a home.

00:52:20.000 We're talking about wrecking your own body, your own personality.

00:52:23.000 Well, hold on. 0.81

00:52:24.000 Again, rape and incest aside, of which I'm happy to answer and happy to talk about the moral aspect of that.

00:52:29.000 But 98% of all abortions are done as a form of birth control, right?

00:52:32.000 Sure.

00:52:33.000 It's a form of birth control. 1.00

00:52:34.000 How did those people get pregnant? 1.00

00:52:36.000 Usually through consensual sex. 1.00

00:52:38.000 Right.

00:52:38.000 So they are pro-choice.

00:52:40.000 They made a choice to have consensual sex, and now they want to be able to use scientific medical technology to crush a being that is not them, is a different person out of convenience.

00:52:53.000 Let's say you have a child who needs a kidney transplant and you are the only one who can supply it and you consensually allow them to use that kidney.

00:53:04.000 What if the operation goes too long?

00:53:06.000 They're still kind of using your blood for months on end.

00:53:09.000 Should the government mandate, you know, maybe not kidney.

00:53:12.000 I love these hypotheticals.

00:53:14.000 I got it not mine.

00:53:15.000 But you see where I'm going to be.

00:53:16.000 No, earlier, I got the most amazing hypothetical.

00:53:18.000 We don't have to overthink this.

00:53:20.000 Like, why should children get the death penalty because their parents decided to have consensual sex?

00:53:24.000 I don't understand that.

00:53:25.000 Sir, even if you consent to, say, taking care of your child through the, you know, transfusing blood or whatnot, should the government mandate that you have to continue that consensual blood transfusion?

00:53:37.000 Again, under the unrealistic hypothetical, and I reject the whole premise of this.

00:53:40.000 The question is, let me answer it more broadly.

00:53:43.000 Do I think the government should step in to protect and preserve human right if by be it by mandating, especially when the question is termination or not?

00:53:52.000 Of course, the answer is yes.

00:53:53.000 But it says a lot when there's a very serious concrete question, and kind of we have to yield to these abstractions, which is fine.

00:54:00.000 The philosophical sides and the kind of hypotheticals are fine, are legitimate, I suppose, in some sense.

00:54:06.000 But it comes to be just more concrete, right?

00:54:08.000 We've got a million abortions every single year.

00:54:10.000 Okay? 1.00

00:54:11.000 998,000 of them are because of a form of birth control.

00:54:16.000 Do you find something wrong with that?

00:54:18.000 Not necessarily.

00:54:20.000 Okay.

00:54:21.000 I think there is something wrong with that.

00:54:22.000 I think that just looking at the last resort to be able to terminate human life as a form of girth control is not just sick, it's immoral.

00:54:30.000 And it says a lot about who we are as a people and kind of the folding of culture, the folding of a cultural life in our nation.

00:54:37.000 And so I'll just ask one final question.

00:54:38.000 When does human life begin?

00:54:40.000 It begins at conception, but that doesn't override the right to bodily autonomy and self-protection.

00:54:44.000 Okay, so that's interesting.

00:54:45.000 So it does begin at conception.

00:54:47.000 So does that mean someone who is larger than another being has the right to terminate them?

00:54:52.000 Why is it bodily autonomy?

00:54:53.000 Just because the being is in them?

00:54:54.000 The size doesn't matter.

00:54:56.000 It's the self-defense.

00:54:59.000 If a toddler is running a knife at you, you can knock it down.

00:55:07.000 I'm sorry, I'm kind of impromptu here as we talk about it.

00:55:09.000 That's okay.

00:55:09.000 Yeah.

00:55:10.000 Well, so I'll just close with this.

00:55:12.000 Don't use that analogy again.

00:55:13.000 Yeah, no, that was a bad one.

00:55:16.000 Thank you for being here tonight.

00:55:18.000 Thanks.

00:55:20.000 Hey, thank you so much for coming out here and for like facing disagreements first, I guess.

00:55:25.000 I really appreciate it.

00:55:27.000 All right, I had another question coming up here, but I really, the bait is there and I have to take it.

00:55:34.000 So I am also pro-choice, and I was wondering how, like, you said to the previous dude back there that the government, in cases where human life is at risk, should step in through any means necessary, be it through mandates, be it through bans, things like that, right?

00:55:57.000 Again, that was a hypothetical answer.

00:55:58.000 Let me clarify it.

00:55:59.000 I think the government has a moral obligation to protect innocent life when confronted with the question of someone intervening to end that life.

00:56:06.000 So if a police officer is standing idly by and he sees someone on the side of the street and someone is going by to about to kill them, the police officer being an agent of the government has a moral right to intervene.

00:56:06.000 All right.

00:56:16.000 I'm sorry, I do have to take like a little bit of a caveat here.

00:56:19.000 So the behavior of the police officers in the Uvalde shooting was disgusting.

00:56:25.000 Oh, I totally agree.

00:56:26.000 Okay.

00:56:27.000 But guess what?

00:56:28.000 I'm consistent.

00:56:29.000 The cowardice that happened at Uvalde is the cowardice we allow to happen when there's a million abortions in our country every single year.

00:56:35.000 All right.

00:56:36.000 Okay.

00:56:38.000 Which is standing idly by when children unspeakably get massacred.

00:56:44.000 I think there's a bit of a difference.

00:56:44.000 I don't know.

00:56:46.000 And the analogy that I usually use, or the question that I usually ask pro-life people, is, do you believe that the government should mandate organ donation, even in cases of like things like donating your kidney?

00:57:01.000 Or right now we have a policy where even after death, if you have like religious things where you, you know, your whole body has to be intact in order for like burial rights and things like that to happen, we say that you shouldn't have to donate your organs, but the pro-life case seems to extend to the idea that even people who are living should have to give up their kidneys to people in hospitals, maybe, who need kidneys?

00:57:23.000 Well, I don't quite see it that way.

00:57:26.000 What makes the uterus different?

00:57:28.000 Well, first of all, again, in 99.67% of the cases, the woman made a choice that could potentially be.

00:57:34.000 What about those 0.4%? 0.99

00:57:36.000 What do you think should happen then?

00:57:37.000 Oh, I think the baby should be delivered, of course, because I'll give you an example.

00:57:40.000 Let me just prove it to you. 0.93

00:57:41.000 If I had two ultrasounds, and one of them was a baby conceived in rape, and one was a baby conceived in consensual sex. 0.65

00:57:48.000 Well, which one is it?

00:57:52.000 They look the same.

00:57:53.000 But you can't tell because they're both human beings.

00:57:56.000 And in Western morality, of which I'm defending tonight, doing something wrong after something evil is never the right thing.

00:58:04.000 So do you think that government should mandate organ donations?

00:58:07.000 No, and I think it's a false equivalency.

00:58:10.000 For more reasons than one, for a lot of different reasons.

00:58:12.000 By the question of do I think the government should come in and protect innocent life from being slaughtered?

00:58:18.000 Of course I do.

00:58:19.000 Yes.

00:58:21.000 And that's the answer.

00:58:22.000 So, I mean, when it comes to mandating organ donations, I don't even see how that's applicable to the question.

00:58:29.000 Because in 99.6% of the cases, 6-7% of the cases, the mother made a choice to be able to get pregnant.

00:58:36.000 Now, in the very small micron kind of case, then the case is that the human life and the human being needs to exist.

00:58:45.000 They need to be able to exist.

00:58:47.000 All right.

00:58:48.000 I'm going to argue that different forms of birth control have different forms of effectiveness, and someone could be potentially on birth control using those control methods, and it fails.

00:59:00.000 Is that just a risk that someone?

00:59:02.000 Yeah, so I'm going to say something.

00:59:04.000 This is how far our morality has gone.

00:59:07.000 We need to teach kids to save themselves from marriage. 0.72

00:59:12.000 And a lot of these problems wouldn't be having.

00:59:15.000 And if you do decide to engage in consensual marriage before sex before marriage and you get pregnant, that's the cost of the game. 0.87

00:59:24.000 All right.

00:59:25.000 Okay.

00:59:25.000 Thank you for being here.

00:59:26.000 Appreciate it.

00:59:31.000 Aladi, this may be the hardest question all night, but I really have to ask it.

00:59:37.000 So right now on October 12th, 2022.

00:59:41.000 It is DeSantis or Trump button.

00:59:43.000 We need an answer.

00:59:43.000 Right here.

00:59:46.000 I'll repeat it.

00:59:46.000 I get it everywhere I go.

00:59:47.000 So I need to play the tape.

00:59:49.000 Did you want to say anything else with that?

00:59:50.000 No.

00:59:51.000 The question is, Charlie, will you support DeSantis or Trump in 2024?

00:59:51.000 Okay.

00:59:55.000 So, okay, speaking personally, not on behalf of Turning Point USA, I'll say what I've always said, which is I'm a very loyal person.

01:00:01.000 I told President Trump, if he runs again, I'm going to have his back 100%.

01:00:05.000 And I can't stand in politics when people are wishy-washy and wavering.

01:00:14.000 We had our turning point action straw poll, and Donald Trump won with 78.7% of the results.

01:00:19.000 But, and it's a very big one, I got to tell you that Ron DeSantis might be a once-in-a-generation leader.

01:00:25.000 He's very special.

01:00:26.000 And I don't know when, I don't know how, but I would not be surprised if he's president of the United States one day.

01:00:34.000 And I think he would make a great president.

01:00:36.000 But I'll close with this.

01:00:37.000 I think you'd make a good president.

01:00:40.000 I know Trump was a great president.

01:00:42.000 And that's why I'm behind you.

01:00:43.000 Thank you.

01:00:43.000 Great answer.

01:00:44.000 Thank you.

01:00:50.000 So, hi.

01:00:53.000 Oh, you have to hold my.

01:00:54.000 He's actually my friend.

01:00:58.000 I actually first heard of you through a Christian apologist I follow called Dr. Frank Turek.

01:01:02.000 Yeah.

01:01:02.000 He's special.

01:01:03.000 He's great.

01:01:04.000 He's awesome.

01:01:04.000 He's a great friend.

01:01:06.000 My question concerns the hope and love we can have for America.

01:01:10.000 I mean, we live in a country that has allowed for 63 million deaths through the abortion industry.

01:01:16.000 And we have multiple industries and institutions that are built on lies and lusts.

01:01:21.000 And it seems as if the majority of American citizens either don't care or even approve of all of this.

01:01:27.000 So where do you think we can go, the individual people, the church, and the government, to where can we go from having hope and love for our country at this point?

01:01:37.000 It's a very dark picture you painted.

01:01:38.000 Congratulations.

01:01:39.000 Do you have anything else you want to add to that?

01:01:41.000 Well, first of all, you know, I assume you're a Christian.

01:01:44.000 And so, I mean, it's up to us Christians.

01:01:46.000 There's two things Christians can't be, apathetic or cynical.

01:01:50.000 I won't put up with it. 0.98

01:01:51.000 You're secular, you could be apathetic and cynical. 0.99

01:01:53.000 You're Christian, I'm not going to put up with it because you know how the story ends, and you have a great hope, and you should always be working towards a great end.

01:01:59.000 You should care about your nation.

01:02:01.000 Jeremiah 29, 7, demand the welfare of the nation that you are in because your welfare is tied to your nation's welfare.

01:02:06.000 Daniel fasted and prayed for his nation.

01:02:07.000 Nehemiah, Jeremiah, Esther, Mordecai all cared about the world.

01:02:11.000 Yep, exactly.

01:02:12.000 Yeah, pray for your leaders by name because they're counselors to the king.

01:02:15.000 And so, look, I think we have a lot of hope, and the hope is not in the institutions.

01:02:18.000 It's not in the FBI, it's not in the DOJ, it's not in the CIA, it's not in Facebook, it's not in Google, it's not in Goldman Sachs.

01:02:23.000 My hope is in the energy and the spirit and the optimism of you.

01:02:26.000 I mean, what I get to see in the American people traveling the country, hosting a national radio show, hosting a podcast, I'm nothing but hopeful.

01:02:33.000 The spirit in the grassroots of the American people right now of all ages and backgrounds is so awe-inspiring.

01:02:39.000 And it doesn't take a majority.

01:02:40.000 It doesn't.

01:02:41.000 It takes 10 to 15% of a vibrant, hopeful, spirit-filled group of people that can turn things around.

01:02:49.000 And, you know, we as Americans have done great things, and there's something special about America.

01:02:53.000 I will defend it at all corners.

01:02:54.000 And the thing that one of the things that makes America different is when something bad happens, we step up.

01:02:59.000 Is that we have it in our history to not be apathetic.

01:03:03.000 We have exceptions to that rule, obviously.

01:03:05.000 And my hope is in what I'm seeing across the country.

01:03:08.000 My hope is in pastors rising up.

01:03:10.000 My hope is in people that are starting to speak boldly.

01:03:12.000 My hope is in parents showing up to school board meetings and challenging what is being taught in these local public schools.

01:03:19.000 My hope is parents that are homeschooling.

01:03:23.000 My hope is in our turning point USA chapter leaders that are starting these chapters, that are in the grassroots, that are on high school and college campuses, leaning in.

01:03:31.000 That's what gives me hope.

01:03:32.000 The institutions, here's the cool thing about institutions.

01:03:34.000 They come and go and they build and they crumble.

01:03:37.000 But the spirit and the will of the people, I think, is stronger than any other time I've been doing this in one decade.

01:03:42.000 And I think that resolve is only going to strengthen.

01:03:44.000 So God bless you, man.

01:03:45.000 Thank you.

01:03:46.000 God bless you.

01:03:51.000 Hi, Charlie.

01:03:52.000 I'm Jamie, and I'm actually from New York, and I was one of the only conservative people in my school.

01:03:56.000 So it's really cool to see you talk here.

01:03:59.000 My question is, since we live in a world where big tech and digital tracking of payments and information dominates the avenues to being social, attaining many jobs and being in academia, do you think in my lifetime we'll see a world where cash is obsolete and how do I protect my privacy of personal information such as vaccine status while still being able to stay social and attain a corporate job and perhaps also enjoying other luxuries in which releasing this information is required?

01:04:26.000 Yeah, well, that's a great, great question.

01:04:28.000 So let me kind of tell you, it's hard to do all those things, right?

01:04:31.000 It's going to be hard to keep a corporate job and also keep all of your kind of medical information private because for whatever reason we decided to throw out HIPAA and ask everyone for their personal medical information about the vaccine, which never should have been allowed in my personal opinion.

01:04:44.000 But look, as far as the currency question, it's a very important question.

01:04:48.000 What PayPal announced and then what PayPal attracted should just scare everyone regardless of political affiliation, where PayPal came out and they said that if you engage in their definition of disinformation, they're going to take $2,500 out of your account on violation.

01:05:05.000 Now, they backed away from that, but this is a company that did $25 billion in revenue.

01:05:10.000 How on earth did they ever get this approved through, you know, how did this get on a press release?

01:05:15.000 How did this become policy?

01:05:16.000 You just saw today.

01:05:17.000 You might like him.

01:05:18.000 You might not like him.

01:05:19.000 You might think he's great.

01:05:19.000 You might think he went too far recently.

01:05:21.000 But Kanye West just got an alert from J.P. Morgan Chase.

01:05:25.000 He's no longer allowed to bank at J.P. Morgan Chase.

01:05:28.000 And that's wrong.

01:05:29.000 I don't care what you think of Kanye West.

01:05:31.000 To be able to shut somebody's banking system off because you don't like them or because they say something that you deem to not be appropriate.

01:05:39.000 And so there's something very troubling about that.

01:05:42.000 And so how do you protect against it?

01:05:44.000 I don't think it's the end-all be-all.

01:05:45.000 I don't think it's a solution to everything, but I am a big fan of cryptocurrency.

01:05:48.000 I think that blockchain properly employed can be a great hedge against tyranny.

01:05:53.000 I think that the federal government is trying to make us cashless soon.

01:05:57.000 And we have to resist, and I'm telling you, resist very loudly against the federal government trying to put forward a federal digital currency.

01:06:04.000 It's a very, very big concern.

01:06:05.000 It hasn't gotten a lot of focus on it, but a federal digital currency is a very big issue.

01:06:10.000 We've already seen the intentional debasing of our currency.

01:06:13.000 I don't agree with libertarians on a lot of things, but the one thing I'm 100% on is the destruction of our money.

01:06:19.000 I have to tell you, the Federal Reserve intentionally coming into our money system and creating money out of thin air and making you poor year after year after year through quantitative easing is something that we should all be very concerned about.

01:06:30.000 I'm afraid they're trying to get us closer to a currency reset.

01:06:34.000 And so part of it is just owning assets that assets that can be moved quickly that are transparent.

01:06:39.000 That's one of the things that excites me about Bitcoin.

01:06:41.000 Again, I'm not telling you to buy Bitcoin.

01:06:42.000 If I did, I could get in trouble like Kim Kardashian did.

01:06:44.000 Do whatever you want to do.

01:06:45.000 I don't care.

01:06:46.000 I think it's good technology.

01:06:47.000 And I think crypto can solve some of these problems.

01:06:50.000 But their agenda is trying to get us to go cashless.

01:06:53.000 And also, I remember over winter break last year when I was in New York, I couldn't even like enter buildings or eat in a restaurant.

01:07:01.000 I still love a lot of other aspects of New York, and I was kind of hoping to stay there.

01:07:05.000 Do you think it would be worth it?

01:07:07.000 Or do you think like being unvaccinated and a conservative is just like yeah, that's a good question.

01:07:14.000 Only you can answer it.

01:07:15.000 My question would be: where do you feel free and happy?

01:07:18.000 And if you feel free in New York, God bless you, I got to tell you, that's not exactly what I feel when I go to New York.

01:07:25.000 I feel a lot of things.

01:07:26.000 That is definitely not it.

01:07:27.000 So, but we can't, I have a mixed opinion on this.

01:07:30.000 I have a couple things that I say that I totally contradict myself.

01:07:34.000 This is one of them.

01:07:35.000 So, I'll give one speech where I tell everyone to go move to Red States. 1.00

01:07:39.000 And then I'll give another speech where I say we can't have all the people leave Red State, blue states, because we still need red-thinking people, if you will, in those states.

01:07:47.000 And so, I contradict myself on that all the time because I see it both ways.

01:07:51.000 I know I grew up in Illinois, and I'm glad I don't live there anymore.

01:07:56.000 And part of me feels bad that I left, but also I think life is so important.

01:08:00.000 You should try your best to live in a free society.

01:08:03.000 And there's still some great states, Texas being one of them, that I think gets it.

01:08:06.000 So, God bless you.

01:08:07.000 Thank you.

01:08:12.000 Hi, Charlie.

01:08:13.000 I'm here with a group of students from the UT Pro-Life Club.

01:08:16.000 So, we're really thankful for your pro-life stance.

01:08:19.000 My question is about like phone addiction and sort of this switch to transhumanism that's going on in our culture right now.

01:08:26.000 It's really worrying me with my generation that we're so addicted, and we don't even realize it.

01:08:32.000 So, I was wondering your perspective.

01:08:34.000 Yeah, that's a really, really great question.

01:08:36.000 Thank you for your advocacy.

01:08:38.000 The pro-life group here deserves a lot of credit because, based on what I saw today, you guys are up against the law.

01:08:44.000 Seriously.

01:08:46.000 It's great.

01:08:49.000 I'm not a fan of our digital pacifiers that have seemed to permeate our entire society.

01:08:55.000 I really believe that we are participating in the largest and most cruel open-air drug experiment in human history, which is to give these devices to 12, 13, and 14-year-olds.

01:09:06.000 There's some really great thinkers on this, not political.

01:09:09.000 You could just read Dr. Anna Lemke.

01:09:12.000 You can go read Andrew Huberman, who I think is really smart.

01:09:15.000 He spends a lot of time here in Austin.

01:09:17.000 And they're very fair and they're very well-cited and researched.

01:09:21.000 And they just talk about the neurological damage that staring at a phone will do, especially at a young age.

01:09:27.000 And I look at it no differently than giving kids drugs.

01:09:30.000 And so, the one thing, and I wish that Marxist, I don't know if you're the leftist was here, and I wish he would have said it.

01:09:35.000 I would also say, and this is, if you want to talk about one of the great hockey stick correlations and not get too ahead of yourself, if you look at suicide and depression, or just kind of what would be a kind of like a basket of how you would define mental health, and like how you say, okay, good or bad, it went up like a hockey stick in 2013 as the iPhone was widely distributed.

01:09:56.000 And again, I'm not a big causation correlation guy, but it's like, come on, what else could you possibly attribute?

01:10:00.000 Like, what has changed the most in our day-to-day interaction at a restaurant in the last 10 years?

01:10:05.000 Let's just be honest, right?

01:10:07.000 I see entire families out to dinner and no one's talking to each other.

01:10:10.000 I think it's deeply unhealthy.

01:10:12.000 I think it's anti-social.

01:10:13.000 And this is not even governmental or political in nature.

01:10:17.000 So, I mean, just some stats I have here: 26% of car accidents are caused by smartphone usage.

01:10:22.000 31% of smartphone users in the U.S. never turn off their phones.

01:10:26.000 45% of children aged 10 to 12 have a smartphone.

01:10:30.000 45% of teens feel addicted to their smartphone devices.

01:10:33.000 It's bad for both boys and girls.

01:10:35.000 It's especially bad for girls.

01:10:36.000 I think TikTok is one of the worst things ever to come across the American technological landscape.

01:10:42.000 I really do.

01:10:45.000 And it's okay if you're addicted.

01:10:47.000 I know some of you applauding are probably addicted.

01:10:49.000 That's fine.

01:10:50.000 I understand.

01:10:51.000 And so, just a final piece on this.

01:10:53.000 I turn my phone off Friday night to Saturday night.

01:10:55.000 I encourage all of you guys to take a phone Sabbath once a week.

01:10:59.000 It's very freeing.

01:11:00.000 It's awesome.

01:11:01.000 It's a challenge too, because you got to kind of figure out how to get directions and where to go.

01:11:06.000 It's really fun.

01:11:07.000 And you could do it.

01:11:08.000 Just take one day a week and turn off your phone.

01:11:11.000 Within three weeks, all of your friends will know you're unreachable by phone from Friday night to Saturday night.

01:11:16.000 You'll be in a grocery store and you won't know what to do when you're waiting in line.

01:11:21.000 You're like, wow, this is how it used to be.

01:11:23.000 It's very freeing.

01:11:24.000 And just the final thing is this.

01:11:26.000 I'm far from an expert, but if you read Dr. Anna Lemke's book, Dopamine Nation, you will have a picture into how horrific the damage we're doing to give these kids devices.

01:11:38.000 There's other books as well.

01:11:39.000 Gary Wilson wrote an unrelated book, but important, especially for young men, your brain on pornography or your brain on porn.

01:11:44.000 May he rest in peace.

01:11:45.000 He was a great thinker.

01:11:46.000 But there's like this whole new genre of scientific thinking that I think is legit science, by the way, of people that are a little ahead of the curve diagnosing what I think is going to be 10 years from now.

01:11:58.000 We're going to look back and be like, what were we doing giving all these kids devices?

01:12:01.000 So you still have the power to turn off your phone.

01:12:03.000 I know it's hard, but it's doing huge damage to young people in particular.

01:12:07.000 Thank you.

01:12:07.000 Appreciate it.

01:12:13.000 Hi, my name is Jackson.

01:12:15.000 I'm actually the editor-in-chief of our conservative paper on campus at Texas Horn.

01:12:24.000 So you'd expect me to agree with most of what you said, and I do, but there's one area of disagreement where I really feel need to push back, and that, of course, is on the vaccine.

01:12:32.000 So I'd like to talk about your Florida study, which said an 84% in heart problems among young men who took the vaccine.

01:12:40.000 So I was interested in this report, and I actually just Googled it.

01:12:43.000 And if you look in the chart on page six of the report, see that the basis period is 17 deaths before due to these heart palpitations among men 18 to 34, whatever it was.

01:12:55.000 So an 84% increase from 17 deaths is bad, but it is nowhere near the 20 million plus who have been killed due to COVID.

01:13:04.000 So I just like to hear how you weigh that from an 84% increase from 17 deaths against 20 million plus killed by COVID, more, if not for the vaccine.

01:13:13.000 Right.

01:13:14.000 So, and I'll repeat the VARES data, right?

01:13:16.000 The vaccine adverse event reporting system from the government, right, where it says there's 52,896 incidents of myocarditis and pericarditis.

01:13:24.000 But let me ask you a let me ask you differently where I think we could come to a quick conclusion.

01:13:28.000 Do you agree that myocarditis and pericarditis is increasing dramatically?

01:13:33.000 I do, yes, from a very low base rate.

01:13:35.000 Right.

01:13:35.000 Why?

01:13:36.000 Well, I mean, obviously, the vaccine is the prime suspect.

01:13:40.000 But if you have a very rare disease and it increases by a slight amount, then you have to make the trade-off and say that something which is killing millions of people is worse.

01:13:49.000 No, no, no, I understand that.

01:13:50.000 That's a separate argument, right?

01:13:51.000 But do you agree that it's probably the vaccine that's causing these cardiac issues?

01:13:54.000 That seems to be the most likely.

01:13:56.000 Okay.

01:13:56.000 So we agree the vaccine is causing heart damage.

01:13:58.000 We don't know how much, right?

01:14:00.000 It says in the VARES database, 52,896 incidents of myocarditis and pericarditis.

01:14:04.000 You saw the hands around the room.

01:14:06.000 And just one other anecdotal thing.

01:14:08.000 I asked my audience, I said, how many people in our podcast audience have instances of people that got the vaccine and mysteriously died or had heart attacks?

01:14:16.000 We have like 10,000, 15,000 emails, one after the other.

01:14:19.000 And I would just encourage you, go look at Dr. Peter McCullough, one of the nation's large, you know, leading cardiologists who has spoken out about this, right?

01:14:26.000 Dr. Robert Malone, and also previously uninterested in this topic, who I just think is great, Dr. Brett Weinstein, who hosts the Dark Horse podcast.

01:14:36.000 He's a liberal.

01:14:37.000 He used to be a professor at Evergreen State University.

01:14:40.000 And I think his scholarship is great.

01:14:41.000 So I don't want to redo the conversation we had previously, but thanks for being here tonight.

01:14:45.000 Thank you.

01:14:46.000 Thank you.

01:14:49.000 Okay, so I'm one of the first agreers.

01:14:52.000 All the disagreers are first.

01:14:54.000 But anyway, one thing I don't think is pushed strong enough by the pro-life is adoption.

01:14:59.000 Yeah, I agree.

01:15:00.000 Because, I mean, that kills it all entirely.

01:15:02.000 There's so many families that want to adopt kids.

01:15:04.000 And if you see a show like Long Lost Family, you see these people that reunite with their biological parents 20, 30 years after they're born, and they live wonderful lives, and they have two sets of parents, and it's a wonderful thing.

01:15:16.000 So, if this whole discussion on, oh, the mom is going to be, you know, live a terrible life, she can't afford to have the child.

01:15:23.000 But there are, I think, something like 30 families per every one child that's adopted that want kids.

01:15:28.000 I think it needs to be pushed stronger, you know?

01:15:31.000 I totally agree.

01:15:32.000 And, you know, I want to shout out my friend who runs a great clinic in San Antonio, does a phenomenal job for the pro-life movement.

01:15:39.000 And by the way, I know we don't like the term crisis pregnancy center, right?

01:15:43.000 It's not our favorite term, but Dave McCaw does such a great job.

01:15:48.000 And I got to tell you that the people that are on the front lines of this deserve a lot of credit.

01:15:53.000 Elizabeth Warren says she wants pregnancy crisis centers to be shut down, which is unbelievable.

01:15:57.000 But I'll say this, and I think you're right.

01:15:59.000 And I didn't make this point clearly enough earlier at the table.

01:16:02.000 If we are going to advocate an end to abortion using the state or government, then we have to be there to make sure that every single child is taken care of through charity, through churches, and through resources necessary.

01:16:15.000 It's morally imperative we do that.

01:16:17.000 And adoption is that first step.

01:16:19.000 Yes, sorry.

01:16:19.000 God bless you.

01:16:20.000 Well, no, I've got more.

01:16:21.000 Because if you read Peter Zion's book, I mean, China's population is going to collapse in the next 20 years just because of the one-child policy. 0.81

01:16:29.000 I mean, we need to have kids.

01:16:31.000 Your nation dies.

01:16:33.000 The population collapse is coming here in big time.

01:16:36.000 Well, according to Peter Zion, we're doing okay.

01:16:38.000 And we've got immigration, too.

01:16:40.000 I agree with Elon Musk.

01:16:42.000 You think it's declining?

01:16:42.000 Okay, but we need to have kids, regardless.

01:16:44.000 God bless you, man.

01:16:45.000 But, okay, but I got one.

01:16:46.000 We've got to get to another one.

01:16:47.000 I'm sorry.

01:16:47.000 Thank you.

01:16:48.000 Thanks.

01:16:50.000 Hi.

01:16:51.000 Sorry, we're short on time, sir.

01:16:52.000 Sorry.

01:16:53.000 Hello.

01:16:53.000 I'm asking a question for friends.

01:16:55.000 If I sound stupid, this is not on me. 0.98

01:16:58.000 So let's agree that abortion should be banned, and this is the government's right to protect the rights of kids and whatnot. 0.98

01:17:07.000 And so we see a lot of statistics where kids going into foster care homes or things of that nature tend to be abused or sexual abuse to a certain extent.

01:17:15.000 So what would you say is the government's solution and role in this whole situation?

01:17:19.000 Yeah, I'll piggyback on the kind of question previously, which is we have to change the way we do adoption in our country.

01:17:24.000 I would, again, a lot of people find this to be terrible, but I will lean on this.

01:17:28.000 I think we have to lean on the church who has the infrastructure and essentially these parachurch ministries, and they have the willingness to be able to do this and to support adoption.

01:17:38.000 There are 2 million people right now that want to adopt in America.

01:17:42.000 2 million people.

01:17:43.000 And I bet that would double or triple if the pastors of this nation really challenge their congregation to lean in and to adopt.

01:17:50.000 If you're going, to be consistent as a pro-life person, you have to come up with solutions.

01:17:56.000 And the solution should be: we have to make it financially easier to have children.

01:18:00.000 We should go maybe as far as Hungary goes, which is to pay people to have kids. 0.99

01:18:04.000 I'm not against it.

01:18:05.000 I'm not.

01:18:05.000 We should go as far to make sure that adoption is easy and seamless.

01:18:08.000 And then we also have to individually and charitably step up to make sure that this idea of an unwanted pregnancy is a thing of the past.

01:18:16.000 Thank you.

01:18:17.000 Appreciate it.

01:18:21.000 I know you.

01:18:21.000 Yes, you do.

01:18:22.000 What's up, man?

01:18:23.000 What's going on?

01:18:24.000 Great final question.

01:18:25.000 Yes, yes.

01:18:25.000 Quick question.

01:18:26.000 You said we should stop talking about racism, but we have a problem in the country.

01:18:31.000 You're not a racist.

01:18:32.000 As often as I've been around you, you've never said anything that has been racist.

01:18:36.000 But the left, they constantly say that you're racist.

01:18:39.000 And if we don't talk about the problem that they're trying to create, it will never go away.

01:18:44.000 Yeah, so what I was saying, and I think you'd agree, I'm exhausted with talking about race all the time, right?

01:18:49.000 And I'm happy to also push back on who's actually the ones that are being racist.

01:18:56.000 And the people that are pushing black-only dormitories in America, that's racist.

01:19:00.000 Exactly.

01:19:01.000 Right?

01:19:01.000 The people that are saying that we should have value on skin color and not content of character, that's racist.

01:19:08.000 And so I'm just exhausted about talking about it all the time, honestly, because I feel as if when you focus on those issues, like, man, we're just constantly talking about what divides us, right?

01:19:19.000 And I think you understand my heart in that way.

01:19:21.000 Exactly.

01:19:21.000 But it's only the left that's constantly pushing that.

01:19:24.000 They're constantly pushing it.

01:19:25.000 And I get it all the time.

01:19:26.000 So thank you.

01:19:27.000 God bless you, man.

01:19:28.000 Thank you so much.

01:19:31.000 All right, everybody.

01:19:32.000 This was a lot of fun.

01:19:33.000 Couple things.

01:19:34.000 Support your Turning Point USA chapter.

01:19:36.000 They're doing an amazing job.

01:19:37.000 I want to thank UT for hosting us nicely.

01:19:40.000 Really appreciate that.

01:19:41.000 Closing note, we live in a beautiful country.

01:19:43.000 Do something about it.

01:19:44.000 Make sure you're registered to vote.

01:19:46.000 I'm not going to tell you who to vote for tonight.

01:19:47.000 Just make sure you're registered to vote.

01:19:48.000 Make sure you vote.

01:19:49.000 A lot of people gave a lot for you to be able to vote in this country, be an informed citizen, stay engaged, stay involved.

01:19:55.000 America is the greatest nation ever to exist in the history of the world.

01:19:58.000 God bless you guys.

01:19:59.000 Thank you so much.

01:20:03.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

01:20:04.000 Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:20:07.000 Thank you so much for listening.

01:20:09.000 God bless.

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