The Charlie Kirk Show - July 29, 2024


Who Forced Joe Biden Out of the Race? ft. Mark Halperin and Brandon Showalter

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Kamala Harris is a radical leftist with a radical track record on trans ideology and more. She believes that children should be allowed to be who they are, even if it's not the biological sex they were intended to be. She has been a vocal supporter of transphobia and anti-choice policies throughout her career, and is a vocal defender of the trans agenda in the Democratic Party. In this episode of The Charlie Kirk Show with Mark Halperin and Andrew Yang, we discuss why we should all be worried about Kamala Harris becoming the next president of the United States and why she should be put on trial for her radical views on gender identity and trans issues. We also discuss why it's time to put her on trial and make her defend the trans nonsense that is plaguing our country and why we need to make her answer the question: Can anybody become a woman? and why it s a good thing that she doesn t believe that anyone can become a man or a woman, at least not if they are born that way. Join us as we discuss all of that and much more on this week s episode of the Charlie Kirk show with Andrew Yang and Brandon Showalter. Subscribe today using our podcast s promo code: "UPLEVEL" at checkout to receive 20% off your first month with discount code: KAVANAKEVILLION at checkout. Learn how you could protect your wealth with Noble Gold Investments at noblegoldinvestments at Noblegold.investments.com. That s where I buy all of my gold and I'll be giving you all of your gold and you get 10% off the purchase and get 20% of the company's entire portfolio. That's a year-long savings plan! Click here to receive $200 in gold and 5% off of $200 or more! That s a deal of $300 or $500 or $150,000 or $300,000 in total, and get 5% OFF your first year of a VIP membership when you become a Member of the program. you get VIP access to the show and get an ad discount when you shop with me, I'll get $5 or $25 or $50 or $75,000 gets you get $25,000, and I get $50, and they get 5,000 VIP access gets $5, VIP access and I ll get $10,000 get $4,000 PRICING AND VIP access when you get a VIP discount.

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00:00:01.000 Mark Halperin joins the program.
00:00:03.000 We talk about who potentially Kamala Harris can pick as vice president and this entire unfolding election.
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00:01:19.000 We must put Kamala Harris on trial immediately. 1.00
00:01:23.000 We must make her defend the trans nonsense that is plaguing our country. 1.00
00:01:31.000 Joining us now is Brandon Showalter, journalist from the Christian Post, author of Generation Indoctrination, a docu-podcast.
00:01:40.000 Brandon, welcome to the program.
00:01:42.000 Brandon, what is Kamala Harris's track record regarding the trans issue, specifically when it comes to children?
00:01:51.000 Well, Kamala Harris, in many ways, is kind of a perfect product of California, which has become what some refer to as a transgender sanctuary. 0.66
00:02:03.000 Legislatively and culturally, that state, the Golden State, has enshrined gender ideology 0.57
00:02:09.000 into all of its legal structures, into the law, into its institutions.
00:02:13.000 And a cursory review of Kamala Harris's Twitter feed, both as vice president and before when
00:02:18.000 she was a senator, reveals full-throated support of all things LGBTQ, especially in recent 0.99
00:02:25.000 years of the TQ portion of that acronym.
00:02:28.000 Just to give you an example, Charlie, when that Dylan Mulvaney influencer guy came to
00:02:34.000 the White House, she sent him an effusive congratulatory letter after his appearance
00:02:39.000 there when he interviewed Biden.
00:02:41.000 And it's kind of far for the course for a California left-wing politician.
00:02:48.000 It seems that for all intents and purposes, LGBTQ dogma is the de facto religion of the day, and Kamala Harris is one of its chief acolytes in terms of those who are elected leaders.
00:02:59.000 Yeah, and by the way, she should have to answer this.
00:03:01.000 So she wrote a letter to the mentally challenged man, Dylan Mulvaney, who I really hope gets some treatment.
00:03:11.000 Dylan Mulvaney needs some treatment that is not surgery or drugs.
00:03:14.000 He needs intense counseling.
00:03:16.000 Kamala Harris says this, quote, Dear Dylan, I send you my warmest greetings as you celebrate your 365th day of living authentically.
00:03:26.000 Thank you for courageously sharing your story and your journey.
00:03:29.000 I appreciate your continued advocacy for transgender equality, including during your visit to the White House last year.
00:03:35.000 So let me understand this, Brandon.
00:03:38.000 Does she believe that anybody can become a woman? 1.00
00:03:41.000 Well it certainly seems to be, whether or not she really believes it or not, that's anybody's best guess because I think that there are many Democrats who, they're just going along with this because they feel sort of emotionally obligated to go along with all things LGBTQ because they have convinced themselves that it's the next frontier of civil rights.
00:04:00.000 Whether or not anybody actually believes that a man can become a woman, I mean, only someone who is so thoroughly indoctrinated can actually believe that that's somehow possible physically, because we actually know it's of course impossible.
00:04:12.000 But she's not afraid and has championed these lies for years about children shouldn't be afraid to be who they are, as though it is somehow possible to be something other than your actual sex.
00:04:25.000 And so whether or not she really believes it, I can't get inside her head.
00:04:28.000 I kind of doubt it, but she's happy to go along with these lies.
00:04:30.000 Well, but, so then, let's play this.
00:04:32.000 This is Cut32.
00:04:34.000 This is her welcoming the drag team here. 0.99
00:04:39.000 I don't know who these people are.
00:04:41.000 Play Cut32.
00:04:41.000 Hi!
00:04:41.000 Can we talk about it?
00:04:55.000 She continues, in one of her tweets, she says, I will appoint LGBTQ plus people, by the way, she got the acronym wrong, it's more than that now, it's 2IA plus, including transgender and gender non-conforming people to leadership roles throughout my administration because our government and our courts work best when they reflect the people they serve.
00:05:16.000 That is very race Marxist.
00:05:18.000 So Brandon, can Kamala Harris answer the question, what is a woman? 0.99
00:05:22.000 Well, I don't think she would if she was asked point blank.
00:05:26.000 She would probably pull a Kentonji Brown-Jackson, just like when Senator Blackburn did during her hearings.
00:05:32.000 It's interesting that this is coming up, too, because when Brett Kavanaugh was, you know, during his hearing, she was asking him a question about, is there any differences between, you know, men and women about the law and how it applies to them?
00:05:45.000 Clearly, she was, Hinting at abortion being so she clearly does know what a woman is, because no man has ever gotten an abortion and never and never will. 1.00
00:05:55.000 But it just sort of goes to show you yet again, Charlie, that this is the contradiction, the blatant contradiction that the Democratic Party as a whole, and Kamala Harris in particular willing to go along with.
00:06:05.000 In order to defend this insane fiction that a woman is whatever any person who says they are one, including men who put on woman face and wear womanhood like a costume as those drag performance did. 0.58
00:06:17.000 You saw that in that clip there.
00:06:18.000 So this is this is the chief and people want to talk about the big lie.
00:06:21.000 Well, this is the big lie of our time.
00:06:23.000 So, based on your research, I believe it's fair to say that Kamala Harris is supportive of the mutilation of children for gender-affirming care. 0.86
00:06:35.000 Is that correct?
00:06:36.000 I see no reason to think that she isn't.
00:06:39.000 I mean, she's been championing the LGBTQ cause and talking about defending trans rights, of which, quote-unquote, gender-affirming care is the foremost concern of the activists.
00:06:50.000 And so yes, I fully expect that in a Kamala Harris administration, we would see a full bore, even as Europe is backpedaling, even as scrutiny has emerged in many conservative states of these Treatments, if you can even call them that, puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, and these awful surgeries.
00:07:06.000 I see no reason to think that Kamala Harris would not be fully supportive of that, in support of being who you are.
00:07:14.000 This notion that in order to become your true self, you need to undergo these experimental drugs and surgeries.
00:07:21.000 Her sister Maya, for example, I mean, I'm not, I would want to distinguish between individuals here.
00:07:26.000 She is her own person, of course, but just to give you how closely tethered Her family is.
00:07:31.000 Maya was on the board of the Arcus Foundation, which is one of the major medical, excuse me, LGBTQ foundations headed by John Stryker, the billionaire whose fortune is from Stryker Medical.
00:07:44.000 If you go into a hospital and you see the gurneys, all the medical device equipment, That largess has funded the Arcus Foundation, which then funds the ACLU, which then turned around and sues states like Arkansas and others that have prohibited transing kids. 0.56
00:07:57.000 Her sister, Kamala Harris's sister, was on the board of that organization, of the Arcus Foundation, for I believe two years, joined in 2017 and I believe left In 2019, I'm aware of feminists who have tried to bring their concerns to Kamala Harris about how insane quote-unquote gender identity is, but I believe those concerns have fallen on deaf ears and Kamala Harris continues to champion this notion that you can be something other than your sex with impunity.
00:08:23.000 Separate issue, but it's important to understand that feminism leads to the trans issue. 1.00
00:08:27.000 If you dive into the literature of feminism, it's all about destroying the binary. 1.00
00:08:32.000 That's always what they were talking about.
00:08:34.000 It was about why can't men be more feminine and why can't women be more masculine?
00:08:38.000 That's actually at the root of Gloria Steinem's Feminine Mystique and that entire movement back in the 60s. 1.00
00:08:43.000 I want to play a piece of tape here.
00:08:45.000 Let's play Cut 34.
00:08:46.000 LGBTQ plus people are under assault. 0.90
00:08:50.000 Children's hospitals have received bomb threats simply because they care for transgender youth.
00:08:56.000 Every day LGBTQ plus youth are enduring bullying and harassment.
00:09:01.000 Well, tonight I have a message.
00:09:03.000 We see you, and we hear you, and you are not alone.
00:09:09.000 Certainly sounds like she's sympathetic to kids' parts being chopped off.
00:09:13.000 Brandon?
00:09:14.000 Absolutely.
00:09:15.000 And as to those bomb threats, I believe that's a reference to what was exposed at Boston Children's Hospital in 2022.
00:09:23.000 Charlie, look, of course, I don't support any bomb threats being threatened for any hospital.
00:09:30.000 But that is just, frankly, I would just want to see some more evidence of that.
00:09:35.000 Of course, if that happened, I won't defend that.
00:09:38.000 Bomb threats are never acceptable.
00:09:40.000 But let's just get some context here.
00:09:42.000 Boston Children's Hospital, and this is going on at many children's hospitals across this country, are performing these grotesque surgeries, yes, even on minors.
00:09:51.000 And I have documented receipts from medical journals showing that girls have had their breasts amputated who are as young as 13 years old.
00:09:58.000 Boys have had vaginoplasties at 15 and 16.
00:10:00.000 And this is not right-wing media.
00:10:02.000 This is medical journals like JAMA Pediatrics, the Journal of Clinical Medicine, the Journal of Sexual Medicine.
00:10:09.000 This is one of the worst child abuse and medical scandals that the world has ever seen, and Kamala Harris is happy to defend it with all of this nice-sounding language and euphemisms that obscure the truth of what's really going on.
00:10:20.000 There's going to be a reckoning over these crimes against humanity, in my opinion, and she's going to regret saying those words that she did right there because she's covering up medical atrocities, and there's no two ways about it. 0.97
00:10:32.000 Brandon, I completely agree.
00:10:33.000 Kamala Harris is... She's enthusiastic about children being able to be abused. 1.00
00:10:40.000 She's a cheerleader for the abuse of children. 0.93
00:10:42.000 That is Kamala Harris. 0.99
00:10:43.000 What a dark soul she is. 0.99
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00:12:00.000 So, Brandon, you have a personal story from a California parent.
00:12:03.000 Please tell us about it.
00:12:03.000 Is that correct?
00:12:05.000 Yes, the parent that I'm speaking of is Ted Hudako.
00:12:09.000 If people are familiar with the journalist Abigail Schreier, who wrote the Watershed book in 2020 called Irreversible Damage, she profiled his plight in February of 2022 in the City Journal.
00:12:21.000 And then I and some other investigative reporters have since covered other aspects of his case.
00:12:26.000 But should Kamala Harris become president, we can expect California, the trans sanctuary, will become a trans country, a trans sanctuary country.
00:12:36.000 Because what people need to understand, Charlie, is that under the leadership of trans zealots, Kamala Harris being one and others like her in the state.
00:12:44.000 This overtakes all of our relevant institutions, the family courts, all government entities, the legislature.
00:12:51.000 This will control your life.
00:12:53.000 We focus a lot in our podcast about the child abuse and the medical abuse in Generation Indoctrination, our podcast.
00:13:01.000 But what is also extremely important is that how this fractures families.
00:13:05.000 And Ted's case is a case study, really, of how things can go wrong.
00:13:10.000 A judge, very briefly, a judge removed his custody because he wouldn't support the affirmation.
00:13:15.000 He was questioning about how to support his then-minor son, who claimed to be female.
00:13:22.000 And in violation of the court order, doctors at the gender clinic in San Francisco surgically implanted a puberty blocker in his minor son's arm.
00:13:30.000 Again, that violated the court order, which said no gender identity-related surgery.
00:13:34.000 That man, Ted Hudako, has been at through absolute hell at every single turn.
00:13:39.000 What we say is they cover all the exits.
00:13:41.000 Trans activism will ruin and rule your life. 1.00
00:13:44.000 I would very much urge everyone to go to listen to the full story of what this is like.
00:13:49.000 If you go to GenerationIndoctrination.com, you'll hear a 40-minute conversation that I had with this beleaguered father and his attorney about what this is like.
00:13:59.000 But if any parent who is listening to me today thinks that this can't happen to them, that's what everyone says when they call me.
00:14:07.000 And Ted Hudako's story is, it really is very typical of what can happen if you are forced to interface with family courts or the government when transgender activism takes over.
00:14:18.000 Here's Elon Musk with Jordan Peterson on Daily Wire Plus.
00:14:22.000 He's one of the smartest and is the richest man in the world who fell for this trans poison. 1.00
00:14:29.000 Right.
00:14:30.000 I was essentially tricked into signing documents for one of my older boys, Xavier.
00:14:38.000 You know, I was told Xavier might commit suicide if he didn't.
00:14:44.000 That was a lie right from the outset?
00:14:46.000 Incredibly evil.
00:14:47.000 And I agree with you that people that have been promoting this should go to prison.
00:14:50.000 So I was, I was tricked into doing this, um, and, uh, you know, it wasn't explained to me that puberty blockers are actually just sterilization drugs, um, and so I lost my son, essentially.
00:15:03.000 Uh, so, you know, they, uh, they call it dead naming for a reason.
00:15:08.000 Yeah, I... Alright, so the reason it's called dead naming is because, uh, your son is dead.
00:15:16.000 So my son Xavier is dead.
00:15:19.000 Killed by the woke mind virus.
00:15:21.000 And Kamala Harris is the Dr. Fauci of the woke mind virus.
00:15:25.000 She's pushing it into every home. 0.98
00:15:28.000 Final thoughts, Brandon.
00:15:29.000 Kamala Harris.
00:15:30.000 If Kamala Harris is to win the presidency, what would that mean for children in this country?
00:15:36.000 I think it would mean that the children of America would be indoctrinated into gender ideology even more thoroughly than they already are.
00:15:43.000 You can expect to see sterilization drugs like blockers and hormones to become the policy across nationwide.
00:15:51.000 I think you're going to expect to see the full bore entrenchment of this insanity on a level that's it's already bad even now with Rachel Levine at number two in HHS and Javier Becerra.
00:16:02.000 They're already defending it.
00:16:03.000 The White House has only backpedaled a little bit saying they don't support trans surgeries on minors, but even that was just a political move.
00:16:09.000 You can expect to see tragic stories like Ted Hudako become amplified and Elon Musk amplified even more unless this is somehow stopped.
00:16:19.000 I would urge everyone, if they can, to go listen to our documentary podcast at the Christian Post, GenerationIndoctrination.com.
00:16:26.000 And if you want to see what this is doing to families across the political spectrum, go to DeadNameDocumentary.com and you'll see the searing pain that this causes families.
00:16:35.000 And whether you're a Republican, or a Democrat, or an Independent, a Centrist, or Apolitical, You need to care about this because what could be more important than the health and welfare of our children?
00:16:45.000 I don't think any American, regardless of their politics, anyone who's halfway decent, wants to see a child wind up sterile and surgically disfigured.
00:16:53.000 This is the issue of the day as far as I'm concerned.
00:16:55.000 Harris presidency will lead to a woke mind virus pandemic, the likes of which we do not have a safe and effective vaccine.
00:17:05.000 Thank you so much, Brandon.
00:17:08.000 Joining us now is Mark Halperin, political reporter, also two-way TV, which I actually saw an episode of recently.
00:17:16.000 Blake and I were chatting.
00:17:16.000 I really liked it.
00:17:17.000 I said, can we get Mark on the show?
00:17:19.000 Really informative and great stuff.
00:17:20.000 Mark, welcome to the program.
00:17:22.000 Thank you.
00:17:22.000 Appreciate it.
00:17:23.000 Nice, kind words for Two Way and honored to be on with you, John.
00:17:25.000 It was really great.
00:17:26.000 I just want people to check out Two Way because it's this bipartisan, really respectful back and forth between you and everyday Americans and what they're hearing on the ground.
00:17:34.000 I got a lot out of it, so people should check it out.
00:17:37.000 Two Way TV on YouTube.
00:17:39.000 Mark, you were able to report the Biden story before anybody else with incredible precision and accuracy, despite mockery from some people in the more, let's just say, higher levels of established media.
00:17:52.000 Tell us about how you were able to get that story so quickly and so correct.
00:17:56.000 Well, I've been at it for a long time, and people say, how do you know which sources to trust?
00:18:02.000 It's just over time you learn who's reliable and who's not, who's careless and who's careful.
00:18:07.000 And like a lot of great stories that get broken, it started with just luck.
00:18:11.000 Just somebody called me.
00:18:13.000 A really surprising person.
00:18:14.000 I can't say who it was, but someone who you wouldn't think would be a source for this.
00:18:18.000 And he gave me a little piece of it, and then I just kept calling different people, and then someone sent me an email with the whole thing just laid out, and they said they were quite confident it was true.
00:18:28.000 I think this was all set in motion well before the White House was acknowledged, and so I think I was actually late to this story, but I was able to be very confident that what I was told was true.
00:18:40.000 And I didn't mind when the White House said it wasn't true, because what are they going to say?
00:18:44.000 Oh yeah, we're going to announce to the President that he's not going to seek the nomination.
00:18:47.000 So I was confident and grateful to the folks who helped me break it.
00:18:51.000 Congratulations.
00:18:52.000 It was a huge scoop.
00:18:53.000 So, Mark, kind of entertain my speculation here because my mind goes even further back.
00:18:58.000 Is there any evidence that there were people within the Democrat Party or the Biden-Harris campaign that were pushing for a summer debate for Joe Biden as a potential forcing function because they were worried about his collapsing poll numbers in May and early June?
00:19:16.000 I know that's a common theory amongst many.
00:19:18.000 I have no reason to think it's true.
00:19:20.000 What was motivating them was a belief that Joe Biden couldn't win the election on the trajectory they were on, that they couldn't wait to the fall to have debates because by then the whole thing would be cooked in, and they thought they could prepare him well enough that he would do significantly better than he Of course he did.
00:19:36.000 So I know, again, I know people like to speculate about that, but according to my reporting, it was just the opposite.
00:19:42.000 They were using it to try to advance his prospects of beating Donald Trump, because they saw no other way to cut the lead, which was small, but very durable and very dangerous, because Joe Biden had maybe one path to the Electoral College victory, but probably zero.
00:19:57.000 And you've reported this before, which is that Joe Biden only had one path and one path only.
00:20:02.000 No one's ever been able to win the White House with just one path.
00:20:05.000 And that was always a major concern.
00:20:08.000 So this entire saga, for those of us that are in the conservative world, has been a very interesting window into who actually holds the power in the Democrat Party.
00:20:17.000 I'm not actually even sure what the answer to that is, Mark.
00:20:20.000 Who are the two or three stakeholders or individuals or families that that finally was able to convince Biden?
00:20:29.000 And what was that persuasive element?
00:20:32.000 And finally, who are who are the most powerful individuals in the Democrat Party?
00:20:37.000 Yeah, so look, the Republican Party has for almost a decade now had a clear power center, Donald J. Trump.
00:20:44.000 And those who he favored, those who supported the MAGA agenda, they've done very well.
00:20:49.000 And those who haven't have tended to either be forced into retirement or lost elections.
00:20:54.000 That's pretty clear.
00:20:55.000 It's just not analogous on the other side.
00:20:57.000 It's asymmetrical.
00:20:59.000 Joe Biden got elected because Bernie Sanders would look like he was going to be the nominee.
00:21:04.000 I call him an accidental president and was stunned when he ran the first time.
00:21:09.000 Even more stunned when he chose to run for re-election.
00:21:13.000 I don't think there is a power center in the party, even with an incumbent president.
00:21:16.000 There's different centers of power.
00:21:17.000 There's the donors.
00:21:18.000 There's the grassroots.
00:21:20.000 There's the squad.
00:21:21.000 There's the president.
00:21:22.000 There's the congressional leaders.
00:21:23.000 In this case, I'm piecing together still the full story of how this happened.
00:21:28.000 What exactly forced his hand?
00:21:30.000 Because I was very skeptical, Charlie, that he'd give up the nomination.
00:21:33.000 You know, this is his life dream.
00:21:35.000 He strongly believed that he was the only person who could beat Donald Trump.
00:21:39.000 He didn't believe the Vice President could, I'm told.
00:21:42.000 And so, what made him give it up?
00:21:44.000 I know Nancy Pelosi was at the center of it.
00:21:46.000 And if you're looking for one person in this storyline, and if you're looking for one person who says, still, even though she's no longer Speaker, has the power of the party, I'd say Nancy Pelosi is first among equals.
00:21:57.000 I think I'll eventually piece it together, but again, suffice to say, she determined that her friend would bring the Democratic Party down if he stayed as a nominee, and she used a combination of delicious carrots and very rough and pointy rocks to get him to step aside.
00:22:12.000 And she's the only one with the political skill that was able to get this done, as well.
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00:22:18.000 This took quite a lot of precision.
00:22:21.000 This is someone with a lot of experience, a lot of connection, and discipline.
00:22:24.000 Remarkable amount of discipline.
00:22:25.000 And so, I think you're right, and she works her tail off. 0.99
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00:22:35.000 For all intents and purposes, she did.
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00:23:43.000 So, Mark, you've been doing a lot of reporting on who Kamala Harris might choose as her vice president.
00:23:50.000 There's a lot of whispers, there's a lot of rumors.
00:23:52.000 The finalists seem to be Mark Kelly, Josh Shapiro, and maybe Cooper or Walsh as dark horses.
00:23:58.000 But it seems like the two ones that are most mentioned right now are Mark Kelly and Josh Shapiro.
00:24:03.000 The way I analyze that is Mark Kelly is a more ambitious or aggressive pick, thinking that you can open up the Sun Belt, thinking that you can maybe win Arizona, Nevada, whereas Josh Shapiro might be a pure Rust Belt play.
00:24:15.000 However, might not help you very much in Michigan, given with a Gaza component still in play. 0.92
00:24:21.000 Mark, do you agree with that analysis, and who do you think the finalists actually are?
00:24:25.000 Yeah, so I have maybe a more traditional view of this, and it's based on just studying every deep stake since I started in the business.
00:24:33.000 The most important thing, number one, and it's really number one through 20, is you got to pick someone who people see as qualified to be president.
00:24:40.000 If you pass that test, everything else is minor in both the upside and the downside.
00:24:46.000 If you fail to pass that test, if you pick someone who doesn't meet the standard, It can really hurt your campaign.
00:24:50.000 So when you're evaluating, and I believe that the Vice President knows this, when you're evaluating who to pick, that's the focus.
00:24:58.000 It's not these subsidiary considerations.
00:25:00.000 So once you clear that bar, then the second consideration, I believe, is not can they bring one state or even a region, but do they create kind of an alchemy, kind of a national storyline, either because it's balancing the top of the ticket.
00:25:14.000 Think of Bush Cheney, someone who wasn't perceived as having as having national security experience coupled with someone
00:25:19.000 who did, or Clinton Gore 92, right? And I think the model that the people around the
00:25:24.000 vice president are interested in is, is there an alchemy of kind of a buddy picture where
00:25:29.000 the two of them together create a kind of a tableau of change, of youth, of energy, of
00:25:37.000 dynamism, and whatever it is that they want the country to think Donald Trump isn't. And so I
00:25:44.000 think in both Kelly and Shapiro, and I've thought for a while that those two would are the
00:25:48.000 most amongst the most likely, I think they can they see a narrative, a storyline of
00:25:52.000 pairing them together to say, this is different.
00:25:55.000 This is exciting to capture the public imagination.
00:25:58.000 Because I'll say, most Americans who are going to decide this election, they're not paying much attention.
00:26:02.000 They don't have much of a view of Vice President Harris at this point, maybe a wispy one.
00:26:06.000 I think in the end, right now, based on my reporting over the weekend, that Shapiro is the most likely.
00:26:12.000 I think there are people in the vice president's world who are even starting to think about how that announcement would go, what that rollout would be like.
00:26:18.000 But she's got some time, and because of the changing dynamics every day, I think they're considering over and over again, what makes sense?
00:26:27.000 What's the best matchup to create a national picture that could elevate her chances? 1.00
00:26:32.000 Now, I don't want to misquote you, Mark, but I believe you said in one of your two-way broadcasts that you've long said the best way to beat Trump is with a black candidate and a Jewish candidate.
00:26:40.000 Am I incorrect in that, saying that?
00:26:43.000 It's a little bit tongue-in-cheek.
00:26:43.000 I have.
00:26:44.000 Look, I'm not politically correct about this stuff.
00:26:46.000 I'm just realistic about it.
00:26:48.000 And, you know, as I've said, to me it's a funny notion that if you're really thinking, oh my goodness, we've got to get rid of Joe Biden.
00:26:56.000 He can't beat Trump.
00:26:57.000 The party has to come together.
00:26:58.000 Threaten him, cajole him, flatter him, whatever it is. 0.94
00:27:01.000 And then they turn to a black woman who's unpopular and a Jewish American who's unknown. 0.99
00:27:08.000 It's just kind of comical.
00:27:09.000 They take all that energy and then they turn to what, again, is a roll of the dice.
00:27:14.000 There's sexism.
00:27:15.000 There's anti-Semitism.
00:27:16.000 I don't know how widespread it is, but certainly you're running a risk with that kind of ticket.
00:27:20.000 And again, Donald Trump is the second best presidential candidate I've ever covered.
00:27:25.000 He's extremely skillful.
00:27:26.000 And I think knowing how to take advantage of So, I think that's really well put.
00:27:38.000 Mark, there's been a lot of reporting in the last year about how the Republican Party and Donald Trump's path to a second term goes through low-propensity voters.
00:27:47.000 There's been a realignment where higher-propensity voters tend to favor Democrats, and lower-propensity voters are more and more in the Republican category and the Republican camp.
00:27:55.000 With that being said, and with those dynamics at play, do you think that Kamala Harris becoming the nominee might actually get us back to a form that we recognize more, where suburban and boomer voters might actually gravitate more towards Republicans, and lower propensity voters of color might get back into the Democrat category?
00:28:14.000 What do you make of that?
00:28:16.000 You framed it perfectly, Charlie.
00:28:17.000 We just don't know.
00:28:18.000 Look, this is about the Electoral College.
00:28:21.000 That's all that matters.
00:28:22.000 And undergirding that, it's about the demographics.
00:28:25.000 Every election is a base election and a persuasion election.
00:28:29.000 People sometimes like to say, oh, this one's a base election.
00:28:32.000 Every election's both.
00:28:33.000 And I think what you're seeing now is a lot of unknown.
00:28:36.000 I think Harris could win this election easily.
00:28:38.000 I think it could be a nail-biter that could go either way, and I think she could be blown out. 1.00
00:28:42.000 And I don't think, you know, we're all impatient to know, I don't think we'll know until September.
00:28:47.000 You think about the three weeks we've just gone through, almost four weeks.
00:28:50.000 All the extraordinary events from the debate, to the pressure to get Joe Biden out, to the assassination attempt, to the miraculous switch from Biden to Harris in, you know, within a day.
00:29:01.000 You think about all of that.
00:29:03.000 And wonder now, where's the electorate as we head into a very intense effort by the Republicans to disqualify Kamala Harris and her VPIC, her convention?
00:29:14.000 I don't think we're going to see how this settles down and answer the question you asked about real potential realignment until we get to the fall.
00:29:21.000 There's no doubt that she has some of Joe Biden's baggage, including the Biden-Harris record.
00:29:26.000 There's no doubt that she doesn't have a lot of his baggage.
00:29:28.000 She's not in her 80s, but she's got baggage and strength of her own.
00:29:33.000 And can she appeal more to younger voters, black voters, the so-called Obama coalition of the ascendant, which does have a lower propensity to turn out?
00:29:40.000 We just don't know.
00:29:41.000 I also think although J.D.
00:29:42.000 Vance is not having the best week of his career, part of why he was picked was to get some of those low-preventing Trump voters, rural and exurban voters in your state, in all the battleground states, Very smart.
00:29:53.000 Mark, really quick, but can you just please tell the audience exactly how they can check out Two Way?
00:29:58.000 do that because he's offended the sensibilities of other voters, some of whom Republicans
00:30:03.000 need, but a lot of whom are just liberals who are never going to vote for the ticket
00:30:06.000 anyway.
00:30:07.000 Very smart.
00:30:08.000 Mark, really quick, but can you just please be a tell audience exactly how they can check
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00:30:12.000 I think some of our audience would actually enjoy engaging in that.
00:30:15.000 Yeah, love to have all of all of your folks come and check it out.
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00:30:41.000 So Mark, if you were giving objective advice to the Trump campaign, looking at the race of where it is now, and understanding his track record of debating, for better or for worse, would you advise him to debate against Kamala Harris?
00:30:55.000 I never advise politicians, Charlie, but I can tell you from talking to Republicans, whose judgment I trust, that most of them, I would say, favor a debate, but some of them are a little worried.
00:31:05.000 They're a little wary of it.
00:31:07.000 Kamala Harris could do well in a debate, and they're not sure he needs it. 0.96
00:31:11.000 I love the debate about debates.
00:31:12.000 I'm a sucker for it.
00:31:13.000 I think it's just so interesting.
00:31:14.000 And once the Commission on Presidential Debates got blown up, it became the Wild West here.
00:31:19.000 So again, as I said, I think the outcome of the election is unknown.
00:31:23.000 I think the question of whether there'll be one or more debates is unknown.
00:31:26.000 In the end, I think Donald Trump will want to do it.
00:31:28.000 I think Kamala Harris will want to do it. 1.00
00:31:30.000 So I think there'll be at least one debate.
00:31:31.000 Whether he should or not, as I said, my source is mostly favorite, but not all.
00:31:36.000 So you mentioned something that JD, you know, has been attacked a lot this last week.
00:31:40.000 However, you think that some people might be underestimating his appeal in the certain Rust Belt areas as some of those positives.
00:31:46.000 Can you elaborate more on that?
00:31:49.000 Well, look, it's hard to measure these things quantitatively, but there's no doubt that Sarah Palin helped John McCain a lot more than people normally would say.
00:31:56.000 They'd normally say she was a national joke, she hurt the ticket, and she clearly did with some voters, but she helped with others. 1.00
00:32:02.000 And I think One of the things that the Trump people cited when he moved towards taking Vance, and as you know, many people urged him not to.
00:32:10.000 They didn't think it was the best pick.
00:32:12.000 But those who supported it, amongst the things I heard from them all the time, was you've got these, as we said in the earlier segment, low propensity voters, particularly in the rural areas and the ex-urban areas, and that exists in all the battleground states, who like Donald Trump but It may not connect with him as well as J.D.
00:32:29.000 Vance does.
00:32:30.000 J.D.
00:32:30.000 Vance, they think, has almost a magical, almost a mystical capacity, through his story, through his personality, through his rhetoric, to reach those folks and get them to turn out.
00:32:39.000 And as we saw in, you know, the difference between 2016 and 2020, a narrow Trump win versus a narrow Trump loss, to some extent, was the drop off in those voters.
00:32:48.000 Now, the Biden campaign versus the Trump campaign, as you know, the Trump campaign thought they could do very well with young male Hispanic and Black voters.
00:32:57.000 We'll see if that sustains.
00:32:59.000 But to the extent the Trump campaign has got a job to do that they think can be decisive, it's turning out those low-propensity rural and ex-urban voters.
00:33:09.000 And as I said, they think J.D.
00:33:10.000 Vance can help supercharge those efforts teaming up with Donald Trump.
00:33:14.000 Yeah, and the recipe for the Trump campaign will also, how do you do with boomers? 0.93
00:33:19.000 Because Biden was actually doing better with baby boomer voters.
00:33:23.000 We're not, have you seen any data of how they feel now, now that the race is largely reset?
00:33:28.000 I've seen some public and private, but as I said, I just don't, I don't much care about the data respectfully until after Labor Day.
00:33:35.000 I think it's, there's so much going on and the voters who really care about It's August for them.
00:33:40.000 They're maybe paying attention to the Olympics.
00:33:42.000 Maybe they're paying some attention to the news.
00:33:44.000 But this is a volatile time.
00:33:46.000 And until we get to Labor Day and we've seen whatever convention cuts they're going to get, whatever impact the vice presidential selection of the Democrats has, I think that'll kind of settle down and resolve itself by the fall.
00:33:58.000 For now, I think we've seen in what data there's available, Harris is doing better than Biden.
00:34:04.000 She's still behind.
00:34:05.000 She still really doesn't have an electoral college path any more than Joe Biden.
00:34:09.000 Did.
00:34:09.000 But she clearly is doing better, including with boomers, including with young people, including with black voters.
00:34:14.000 A lot of the groups where Donald Trump was, by historical standards, overperforming.
00:34:18.000 And that's why the Biden people realized they had no path, because Donald Trump was doing great with his folks and pretty good with what are normally Democratic constituencies.
00:34:29.000 So Mark, the best path for Kamala has to be run the table in the Rust Belt and or maybe pick off a Sun Belt state. 1.00
00:34:36.000 Is that correct?
00:34:38.000 Yeah, look, I spent the weekend asking Republican and Democratic strategists with presidential campaign experience of the four Sun Belt states, which one does Harris have the best chance of putting in play?
00:34:48.000 And I got about a 25% chance vote for all of them.
00:34:52.000 You know, it's not clear, and that's irrespective of who she might pick as a running mate. 0.97
00:34:55.000 So I think, you know, don't overestimate or underestimate the chances she may have problems with that congressional district in Omaha, which she needs even if she gets the three Rust Belt states.
00:35:06.000 So I think she's got to worry about that, that CD, that congressional district, and then All seven battleground states.
00:35:12.000 I don't think she can take any of them for granted.
00:35:14.000 But sure, today you'd say her path is the same very narrow singular one that Joe Biden had, which is Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Omaha.
00:35:22.000 It's a heavy lift to have to run the table because if that ends up being the case, no one's ever done it.
00:35:28.000 Yeah, the last 30 days, if you're the Trump campaign, you're smiling, you're like, we just have to go one for three.
00:35:33.000 If that ends up being the case, if she's not able to broaden the map to the Sun Belt.
00:35:37.000 Mark Halpern, excellent analysis.
00:35:38.000 Thank you so much.
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00:35:43.000 Thank you, Charlie.
00:35:43.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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00:35:47.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.